Chargebuff DK

[green karma]

Yeah hellscream

[heavy junco]

likes dk shit

[green karma]

[heavy junco]

and up and coming viable brews

[lusty steppe]

someone can pay channel points to get RonMexico to play it

[grave jay]

For sure Clark would love this.

[lusty steppe]

yeah Clark would play it

[heavy junco]

i dont have 15k ronmexico points

[grave jay]

But I am not confortable enough to get on his stream and say hey u should play this.

We just have to make it good and he'll find out.

[heavy junco]

im sure we're almost there

[grave jay]

We'll be silent heroes.

[heavy junco]

the big leap was soulcage

[grave jay]

I have perfect 28

The 2 missing slots are driving me crazy.

[heavy junco]

it's hollowhound

that's how you dont die to pally/burn

[grave jay]

I have them already.

[lusty steppe]

did the Korean guy running brew also run soulcage?

[heavy junco]

oh wwhats your list again?

[grave jay]

No

[grave jay]

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 8600
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (1) Noxious Cadaver
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# 🟨 1x (4) Maw and Paw
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12930831

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12930831

[grave jay]

The two cadavers are

The flex slots atm.

[heavy junco]

oh i mixed up you and elteras decks

[grave jay]

They are the two slots I keep trying cards.

[lusty steppe]

the 1/3 taunts aren't good?

[heavy junco]

it's geist

i was on a losing streak without geist

[grave jay]

I tried gheist and it was bad.

I swear.

[heavy junco]

how, what happened

and also, why dont you have quillboar again?

[grave jay]

It clocked my hand and was awkward turn 3 because it is generally either Seamstress or Baron.

[heavy junco]

oh i dont have seamstress

okay

[grave jay]

Win more.

Amazing when stars align.

[heavy junco]

why dont you have swarmguard?

[grave jay]

Bad in hand if no handbuff.

[grave jay]

Very bad into Reno.

[heavy junco]

and no gnome muncher?

[grave jay]

Hollow hound better. At 6 drop, 2 cards are enough, and the charge part was overkill.

[heavy junco]

i feel like it's gotta be an extra copy of charge, either quillboar or gnomemuncher

like, im wondering, how do you lose games?

id have to watch your replays or hear from you

[grave jay]

Scales#2586

EU serveur

I don't use tracker

[heavy junco]

maybe dryscale deputy, it's the last card to try

okay

so id just spectate?

no hsreplay stuff

[grave jay]

Yeah

[heavy junco]

i assume

[grave jay]

No tracker 😒

Tracker make my pc lag

[heavy junco]

my true name is xghtpa something looking like that

ill invite

[grave jay]

Also I like hand calculus and remembering.

[heavy junco]

i think i gave in to tracker when i wanted to do a combo warlock mechathun deck

huh i didnt know i could spectate different server regions

ah, it doesnt let me spectate you

im us

na

[grave jay]

I am unsure you can.

Yeah that's why I said EU servor

[heavy junco]

:/

[grave jay]

Holy shit Gaslight is op

[heavy junco]

if tracker makes things lag, i assume twitch streaming or discord streaming isnt any better

:/

[grave jay]

It is worst

Holy scmuck

Gaslight is back on menu

[heavy junco]

yeah gaslight recently got 1 a week ago

[grave jay]

Mmmmh maybe threads of despair is actually the flex spot.

[heavy junco]

yeah i tried threads once, and it's underwhelming

it's for aggro but there's no aggro anymore

[grave jay]

There is Hunter, Paladin and Gaslight rogue who are a problem.

The flex spot must be targeted toward those.

But as for which card to get in

Idk.

[heavy junco]

gaslight rogue? so you didnt have a 10/10 hollow hound on t6 to clean up that game?

[grave jay]

Nope

[heavy junco]

that's the thing, hunter paladin and gaslight are all supersolved by hound

if you dont have hound i just pray for like a gnome muncher ofr a swarmguard to do the trick

gnome muncher is dual otk backup dual hp recovery and dual lifesteal

it does nothing great, but everything okay, as backup

i mean backup for otk, for board cleanup, for lifesteal

[grave jay]

6 card at 6 mana is too much.

Mb

[heavy junco]

maybe it's swarmguard then

[grave jay]

4 cards

MMmmh yeah maybe.

[heavy junco]

it could be like one of each?

like one quillboar, one swarmguard, one muncher, one ... something else

idk

my deck revolves around every card in my openeer replacing itself to fill my hand

so i use snek and loot hoarder

but you dont like that, cause youre hand gets overstuffed?

maybe primus is crimping the streamlined style

[quick gazelle]

i might disagree?

1-of has been really working for me

[heavy junco]

1-of, okay, maybe ill try that

[quick gazelle]

also, new report and zachs list are out

chargebuff is included

his is far less combo-ey, with brewmasters but no soulcage

but im wondering if i have been at risk of moving too far in the spell-heavy direction

geist continues to feel good

[green karma]

Double swarmguard and it’s not even close

[heavy junco]

yeah

swarmguard eats so much damage

this was my last game

"This has sparked an idea in the mind of a Korean player named Pnamu, which involves running Saloon Brewmaster. Brewmaster’s purpose is to bounce a Frail Ghoul into our hand, which becomes an incredible buff target as a 1-mana charge Undead minion. It doesn’t matter if the Ghoul dies at the end of your turn, when your opponent is dead. It’s a slow play, ideally done on turn 4 (before you develop Puppeteer), but it’s meant for the slow matchups."

---zach0

ohhhh the bouncing is meant for slower matchups

yeh makes sense

[green karma]

3/5 swarm guard is fine too

If you ever need to take that line

Or a 5/5 seamstress

[quick gazelle]

i think this is one of the reasons brewmaster feels so good

swarmguards often survive a trade with low hp and make excellent bounces

[heavy junco]

interesting

[quick gazelle]

so heres why im coming around on geist

it opens up a real range of lines where you use an early blood tap or spellstone

because it can genuinely leapfrog you into a range of really impactful cards

[heavy junco]

a 2/1 for t3 seems awful, genuinely. but something magical happens when you try it out enough in the deck

[quick gazelle]

it is awful, but when it so often opens up turn 4 hounds, munchers, stitches, etc, it begins to be less awful than just playing a chillbaron

im having games saved by mish mash mosher

[heavy junco]

mhm, cause you can just die on t5, before a t6 lifesteal cleanup.

interesting

[quick gazelle]

exactly

it also eases up the need for draw a little which could give some room

[heavy junco]

and it provides extra value in the slow matchups to fill in any gaps you might have on a random turn

like oh reno warrior please respond to 10/10 and 18/18 giant. thank you here's my actual play

it basically makes resource management in late game much less relevant

[quick gazelle]

yeah, like the 8/8 is actually pretty meaningful for getting answers out from people, which is important because the way we seal games with reska/yogg is by winning the 'who blinks first' war

[heavy junco]

i might have to craft reska to see what she can do hahah

cause i have no idea

i assume take stuff with yodeler

[quick gazelle]

if you like this deck enough, you really do need to

reska is class-carryingly good with yodeler

[heavy junco]

everyone, and zach0, has always said, dont cut reska

from a while ago

ill have to see , perhaps

[quick gazelle]

got any wild cards, or goldens or sigs you could DE?

[heavy junco]

i have like 8 k dust, just whenever i craft something for some odd reason i dont use it

cause it's a safe craft, then im not deckbuilding

if i am deckbuilding, then it's not a safe craft

and if it's whizbang

well, youre gonna lose so many games and it's awful and hopeless

so i can, i just hate crafting legendaries

like i get bored of the deck more often if it's not mine, like i just crafted drilly and only played 3 games of excavate rogue

[desert fiber]

i think it is

[grave jay]

Working on a BBU version atm.

[desert fiber]

im pure f2p and i got all dk and shaman cards

just spend your dust wisely

[heavy junco]

oh you think the deck is bad without reska?

[desert fiber]

yes

[desert fiber]

its bad already

[heavy junco]

okay

what's your list

[desert fiber]

ill make it when i get home

[grave jay]

I post after game.

[desert fiber]

find a deck with mostly safe legendaries to craft

say you wanna play death knight

cards you might need will be like reska/primus/zilliax

zilliax is the safest craft rn

its nerfed all the time so you can get a refund and it will be in standard for 2 years

[grave jay]

You have no idea how much dust I wasted on bad legendaries.

[heavy junco]

zilliax is safe cause it's the most commonly used card

[heavy junco]

same

[desert fiber]

if it makes you feel better i spent 8 years on this game spending my dust on random shit until i got a decent collection

[heavy junco]

like would you consider whizbang to be a safe craft?

okay, i play on and off

so i get playing continuously you might have more

one might

[desert fiber]

no

[heavy junco]

okay so i thought it was super safe

but it wasnt

[desert fiber]

it depends

[heavy junco]

so honestly, i just dont trust my judgement rn

on crafting legendaries

[desert fiber]

do you want to play for fun or do you want to win

[desert fiber]

then just save

[heavy junco]

playing dk whizbang made me really upset though i thought itd be fun

and then that was that

that deck is so horrific

this expansion ive crafted a zilly and a drilly

drilly wasnt safe it turns out, cause i dont like tempo rogue, though it's good. i like the cutlass control rogue

but it may get nerfed so who knows

and it is kinda fun

no it is fun and is good

i just feel like... idk... maybe i wasnt really involved with refining the list? just copying and pasting? idk why im not into it

i might craft reno priest cause control priest is a silly time

id need a reno and an elise

[desert fiber]

just wait for drilly to get nerfed

reno is a safe craft

elise not so much

but if you like priest then go for it

[heavy junco]

i like the ability to counter boomboss

[grave jay]

Here is the BBU list

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[fickle helm]

### BBU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 5080
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟦 2x (4) Helm of Humiliation
# 🟨 1x (4) Maw and Paw
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# 🟦 2x (5) Corpse Explosion
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12934705

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12934705

[grave jay]

But I can really feel the lack of Reska.

After testing, Helm is meh

(nice way to say bad)

And Explosion is good.

But then it gets Explosion vs Reska

And Reska wins

For real

Just print a BB Legendary payoff

And we are good to go.

[quick gazelle]

i love the painlock MU so much

they just dont realise what you can do

and then you kill them

[desert fiber]

helm is good

[grave jay]

I like Helm too.

But Helm+Explosion aren't better than Reska.

When is next expansion?

Like a month away or two right?

[grave jay]

But you still think UBF is better than BBU right?

[quick gazelle]

i am pogging out of my gourd atm with this

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 7100
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# 🟦 1x (2) Threads of Despair
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) Maw and Paw
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12934740

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12934740

[grave jay]

You have enough card draw even without ?

[quick gazelle]

honestly im overfilling my hand sometimes

between salesman, baron, and geist, i have more than enough resources

[heavy junco]

cause of the geist right?

[quick gazelle]

it helps for sure

helps you curve

[heavy junco]

i really like it, but im surprised how there's no quillboar/gnome muncher. ig you lose more games not having the other cars than you lose not having quillboat/muncher, in this list

cards

[desert fiber]

heres what im testing

[heavy junco]

perhaps the brewmasters in the slowermatchups with the sinister soulcage do all the work at making 40 otk damage randomly

[desert fiber]

death growl is a shot in the dark...

same with fizzle

[heavy junco]

yes the death growl, find a way to make it work, so cool

and the fizzle too

[quick gazelle]

i guess we just disagree on quilter, in my view and from my testing it sucks. and muncher is good but i think it overlaps with the hound slot and is worse

[heavy junco]

i think our mu's just go differently cause our decks our different enough

[quick gazelle]

possibly

[heavy junco]

i think that the sinister soulcage does so much work with the chargers for trying to do burst lategame that it makes quillboar/muncher too redundant for those roles

i dont have brewmaster rn

[quick gazelle]

then yeah we're just not talking about the same deck in the slightest

everything im doing is based on the assumption that this is a brewmaster + soulcage deck

[desert fiber]

brewmaster is required imo

[quick gazelle]

like

im 20-11 with this atm

i started playing this version again tonight at 11-9

and have gone 9-2 since, and almost all 9 of those wins have looked like this

its just nuts

if i dodge the paladins i cant stop climbing

[heavy junco]

i feel like rainbow seamstresses are important

maybe i should craft them

[quick gazelle]

theyre way less crucial than reska

[desert fiber]

testing this pile of shit in casual

if death growl works ill be so happy

[quick gazelle]

but if you do love the deck, at least one seamstress is a good craft

ive been increasingly impressed with it

[quick gazelle]

i adore death growl

i dont think its it in this list but i do fuckin love that card

[grave jay]

[[death growl]]

[fickle helm]

death growl (Other potential matches)

Death Growl (View card and tokens)

[grave jay]

Oh

Yeah

[quick gazelle]

man

in 2 days ive played 53 games with this deck

this is gonna be responsible for me breaking 100 wins on DK

[heavy junco]

hey, it's the only dk deck i would play too

"I CANT DANCE ANY FASTER!" "SHOUT IT FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS!"

[quick gazelle]

puppeteer might be one of my top 50 cards ever

huge fan in so many respects

[heavy junco]

the flavor is great

[grave jay]

Yeah.

Threads doing better than Primat?

[quick gazelle]

yes

absolutely

1x threads is saving my bacon repeatedly

[grave jay]

Ok I try your version

[quick gazelle]

[grave jay]

How do you deal with Gaslight?

[quick gazelle]

hope they dont pop off

[grave jay]

Kek ok

[heavy junco]

i need something to save my bacon, so ima start with one threads

[quick gazelle]

my overall stats across all versions

2-1 v rogue

which feels about right

[heavy junco]

a hound into a soulcaged quillboar saves me against handbuff pally

but it was just like one game

but it felt so good to win

i need to post that replay here it was so good

https://hsreplay.net/replay/aPT7gWWxwPGw9hiNwPjd9W

this is one of my favorite games of all time

i probably need to play more games with this deck. i havent really grinded a deck since sif mage

[desert fiber]

death growl is it

yodeler triggers all deathrattles on a minion so

[quick gazelle]

you know what, earlier i briefly tried hard running sylvanas. it didnt feel like it was great, but if you're running deathgrowl... could be worth a shot?

[desert fiber]

i think its too expensive

i dont like fizzle

too slow

[heavy junco]

i think no one put in death growl cause they thought it'd be too low tempo/slow/bad/unviable. heck there was a time when people thought puppeteer yodeler was low tempo/slow/bad/unviable

so cool to see death growl work

[desert fiber]

ill play more games and see for sure

i might have just highrolled

but yeah

[quick gazelle]

ive been highrolling a ton on geist

but at a certain point its not really highrolling

if its just your average hit

[heavy junco]

reno warrior it works, but like it'd be interesting to see other mus

[heavy junco]

geist looked so awful

but it's so goated

when in practice

[quick gazelle]

yeah

it just does stuff

it greases the wheels

[heavy junco]

terrible on paper, amazing in practice

[quick gazelle]

it works with things

[quick gazelle]

100%

like just now

i just won a game

i was fuckin DONE

[heavy junco]

so what happened

[quick gazelle]

SO many stats from a gaslight rogue

reska costs 2

i have one 4/4 on board

dead next turn

i have a giant geist

it discovers a yodeller

i run my 4/4 into something of theirs, both minions die

0 mana reska + 0 mana yodeller

lets me steal 3 things and kill 1

win

[grave jay]

I prefer Gold Paner atm.

I prefer getting to my pieces.

[quick gazelle]

i liked it but man i just actually ran into handspace problems

repeatedly

[grave jay]

I run your list but wit Paners instead of Gheist.

[quick gazelle]

split em. go 1 of each

[desert fiber]

i run panner over magatha

[heavy junco]

im surprised how it starte with playing an 8 mana giant

[quick gazelle]

and keep track of how often youd prefer the other one

[grave jay]

I hate spliting.

[quick gazelle]

you might be surprised

just for science/testing

[heavy junco]

who yells for science in the game

[quick gazelle]

i like doing it for a few games at a time sometimes because its a very fast way to determine preference

i keep a postit note split down the middle

[grave jay]

Well after testing

[quick gazelle]

and mark on each side each time i wouldve preferred the other instead of what i had

[heavy junco]

that's really interesting

[grave jay]

I prefer having Panner on two. I also find less overdraw issues with panner.

[heavy junco]

i look at games, but i like the tally marks for each the other

woah

cool

[desert fiber]

okay well 2 games in a row of death growl getting crazy value

[quick gazelle]

sometimes its useless but sometimes its pretty indicative. like two cards both sound great on paper but in reality you quickly realise youre always happy to see one but only sometimes happy to see the other, for example. its how i started my judgement of cadaver v salesman and i think it got me to the right answer a bit faster than i wouldve otherwise

but its harder to do when you do 2x of one and then swap to 2x of the other

[grave jay]

Well on average I prefer Panner.

[heavy junco]

i think i just note it in my head with and 2x, not 1x an 1x

that's really cool for deck refining

[heavy junco]

who was your mu

[desert fiber]

is mu matchup

its reno dk

[heavy junco]

ye

ok

[quick gazelle]

aight im tuckered out after basically a whole day of OTKing with ghouls

nn y'all

[heavy junco]

based

night

[grave jay]

gn

[quick gazelle]

letsgoooooo

new highest legend rank!

i winstreaked 15-2

[grave jay]

My god

U beat me 😦

D3 atm

What list?

[quick gazelle]

The one I settled on last night

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 7100
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# 🟦 1x (2) Threads of Despair
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) Maw and Paw
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12934740

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12934740

[quick gazelle]

This just feels so good

Has game into everything

Is flexible

Feels like the right proportions

[grave jay]

Compared to yours I have:

-2*Yodeler

-2*Swarmguard

+2*Scarab Keychain

+2*Gold Panner

I explain myself

Yodeler is overkill imo

[lusty steppe]

Elteras what was your record into Paladin?

[grave jay]

Many times, I just have Yodeler or Swarmguard in hand that just sits and do nothing.

Because I have neither target for yodeler

Nor buffed Swarmguard.

I added Scarab to try and it gives early presence and corpses.

Gold Panner idk, in stats it says it is THE card you must have

Early game I mean.

I played a bit and realized I almost never needed Yodeler for combo.

It was always overkill.

But since we have guarenteed T2 with scarab, maybe I can cut panner to get in Swamguard.

What you think @quick gazelle ?

To me Yodeler is a cut for Scarab.

But as for Panner vs Swarmguard, idk.

[quick gazelle]

4-9. 3 of those wins were v the only reno paladins i faced. however most of those losses were with versions of the deck before i got to this list, and i think with this list and the knowledge i now have i can get my % up

[quick gazelle]

i think if this is happening a lot, you might be misusing your resources

[lusty steppe]

https://www.hsguru.com/card-stats?archetype=Handbuff+DK&min_drawn_count=200&min_mull_count=0&period=patch_29.4.2&show_counts=yes&sort_by=drawn_impact&sort_direction=desc

[quick gazelle]

that could also explain why you rate panner so much

[lusty steppe]

look at saloon stats lol

[quick gazelle]

ive found panner just overdraws me as often as it helps

[quick gazelle]

dayum

[lusty steppe]

almost as high as Puppet

[quick gazelle]

however i think if you cut one of these 2 cards, its scarab

id rather have panner than scarab tbh

i find the discover pool very inconsistent

and the 1/1 body just doesnt feel like its enough

[quick gazelle]

this also makes me wonder if you're misusing swarmguard

it shouldnt be sitting in hand

it can be used earlyish, as just presence or defense

and with even a single buff it's already meaningful

[grave jay]

We are talking about Swarmguard right?

[quick gazelle]

yeah

[grave jay]

Swarmguard I might be okay with.

But yodeler I just found I was doing ok without.

[quick gazelle]

that honestly shocks me more than anything else

[grave jay]

I swear man.

[quick gazelle]

in the 17 games i ended on, in which i went 15-2, yodeler was a crucial part of like, almost every single victory

[lusty steppe]

if clark streams today I'm going to send him your list elteras

[quick gazelle]

straight up

[lusty steppe]

that should spread it

[quick gazelle]

either it won me games by me using it on reska

or it gave me insane handbuffs which gave me the reach i needed

[lusty steppe]

I just hope he doesn't queue it, then play 5 paladins in a row lol

[quick gazelle]

ty!

thatd be awesome

[lusty steppe]

One thing I wonder, is running 1 paintfin to tutor Reska worth at all

[quick gazelle]

dont think so

[lusty steppe]

o wait you have hounds

so that wont be consistent anyways

[grave jay]

That's actually smart.

[quick gazelle]

so scales, question. are you playing this list more aggressively or tempo-oriented?

because that could explain a lot of the differences we're having

my playstyle with this deck is super different to og handbuff DK

[grave jay]

Tempo-oriented.

I play tempo

at some point I bounce back a ghoul

And just fight until I have reach.

[quick gazelle]

try taking a slower approach for a few games and see how it feels. dont aim too much to pressure or tempo, just get in chip damage and accumulate resources. focus on getting ghoul in hand using as few previous handbuffs as possible, and spend turns distracting them with stuff (swarmguard is great for this) while you set things up. in almost every single win i had, i ended it with ghouls. i basically never won just through winning and pushing board

[grave jay]

That's what I do

I don't overcommit on combo.

[quick gazelle]

thats mutually exclusive with you saying you play tempo-oriented though

isnt it?

[grave jay]

Mb then.

I have to admit, here I am confused by wording.

[quick gazelle]

i mean idk, maybe its just variance and im having killer luck and you're not

[quick gazelle]

ah, sorry dude

[grave jay]

Not natural english speaker even if good at it

[quick gazelle]

yeah of course

[grave jay]

Nah

Now that I thnk about it.

Yodeler+Swarmguard means more undead

Compared to Panner+Scarab

You have more handbuff value.

[quick gazelle]

yeah thats also true, didnt even think of that

my puppeteers are bangin

i usually play the big one quite quickly and frivolously, i dont care about what it hits or how much

because then i have the 1 in hand to accumulate buffs for a big swing, or be a yodeler target

but im quite chill with yodeler too tbh

ive even used it on a chillfallen baron on curve

mostly though its the choice between using for buffs or saving for reska

[grave jay]

ok

Nah Imma try your version.

I usually prefered panner because you get to your pieces faster.

But what conviced me

Is the undead tag on both cards.

Also true

Lost of panner is compensated by

well yodeler+Baron

[quick gazelle]

yeah

maybe im more comfortable with low-draw playstyles

i did main frog shaman last month, after all

but between geist, puppets, salesmen, barons... you have a lot of value

[grave jay]

Imma try your version

But with Scarabs instead of Yodeler.

[quick gazelle]

[grave jay]

Hahaha

It is just

well

I have this weird thing

with cruves

*curves

Like

visually

and

I don't like the curve

It has no metric or so

Just a feel.

[quick gazelle]

problem is, all the good turn 1/2 plays in the game atm win hard v a 1/1

[grave jay]

I know

It is more to be sure to have early presence

and

corpse

[quick gazelle]

thats thinking with tempo again though. we have ghoul combos, we dont need presence or fast corpses

and v paladin you hard mull for the good early stuff

[grave jay]

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

Mb

[quick gazelle]

try splitting it, 1 of each, see if you can make yodeler feel good

[grave jay]

I understand now.

[quick gazelle]

i promise that the first time you win by yodeling a reska to steal a titan or unkilliax

you will fall in love

[grave jay]

Oh I played yodeler a ton

[quick gazelle]

fair

[grave jay]

It is actually because I played it a ton that I removed it

Because many times I was like

I would like to do things

But I am just stuck with Yodeler in hand with no targets

In critical turns

That's why I say it felt like win more

[quick gazelle]

maybe i just had good luck

[grave jay]

Nah Yodeler is good.

But it is the same as other cards we talked about

Great when discovered

Feel awkward main deck.

For example

Scarab gave me mining

[cedar root]

Are you the 1/2 weapon guy

[grave jay]

?

[cedar root]

#general message

[cedar root]

Someone else

Your sentence reminded me of him lol

[quick gazelle]

that is pretty great

[cedar root]

He wanted to run scarab over 2nd instrument tech in shopper DH

[grave jay]

Aaaaaah

No I am not that person.

Yeah at 2, there is mining, blood tap, panner, etc

[quick gazelle]

2 pool is biig though

[grave jay]

So is Gheist pool 🙂

[quick gazelle]

not really

i think

[grave jay]

😄

[quick gazelle]

i feel like geist pool has a much bigger number of hits

lemme go take a look

so the 2-pool is abbout 60-70 cards

undead pool is just under 50

more importantly though, the undead pool has a very high ratio of hits

the 2 pool has only a handful

but geist defo misses too, cant deny that

[grave jay]

Swarguard are doing good

But still

I prefer scarab 🙂

We'll see

What I like also about scarab is that it allows for earlier Blood Tap.

[lusty steppe]

@quick gazelle clark is going to play it

unfortunately i have a meeting soon so cant really listen in

[gusty zinc]

did i actually cook

[quick gazelle]

I hope he likes it and dodges paladins

[lusty steppe]

I’m imagining when he does queue it it’s into paladin

He said he tried a similar list back when expansion started.

Feno has the VS handbuff paladin in his rotation

The one without sinister

[cedar root]

kept count 34

[lusty steppe]

Feno is playing the VS list so those stats should go up a bunch today

[cedar root]

lol

[lusty steppe]

i like the sinsiter soulcage version

[cedar root]

i like whichever version doesnt run helya

because the stats page

has helya for some reason

[cedar root]

helya 400 vs brewmaster 50 kill me

handbuff helya to shuffle in more plagues

change battlecry to shuffle in plagues equal to helyas atk

[cedar root]

someone was running zola in addition to brewmaster

[lusty steppe]

Feno lost to dr boom unkilliax

wonder if you need to run yogg

[cedar root]

just run barrelbrim

DH has kayn

not a lot of cheap options

silence is 4 mana too i guess if you accept warrior can still boom you

[lusty steppe]

ya

i guess royal librarian

[gusty zinc]

I would rather youthful

[grave jay]

He didn't get the memo

[gusty zinc]

Than Zola

[cedar root]

bro some guy was running it in top 5

i nearly choked

at least it wasnt diamond

it didnt even look like rainbow, kinda felt like plague DK

[cedar root]

does zola work with anything else in the deck?

[grave jay]

Mmmh

Maybe mini?

But still

Zola wasn't good in DH with minis

It was too expensive.

[cedar root]

i used to run zola in painlock a couple patches ago

but not anymore

[grave jay]

Zola being 3 mana is too much.

[cedar root]

the perma copy is nice for spacing out waves of threats

but guess what card shuts down the very concept of waves

[cedar root]

plus no buff like saloon, so even worse in DK than warlock

[gusty zinc]

Saloon isn't half bad on swarmguard, Zola i cant see

It's fine with reska

[grave jay]

I'd say in that case, projectionist is better then.

[[Astral projectionnist]]

[fickle helm]

Astral projectionnist (Other potential matches)

Celestial Projectionist (View card and tokens)

[grave jay]

One mana less.

Oh but true you can't bounce ghoul

mb

[quick gazelle]

I think you do. Yogg + Reska + yodels + geist discovers actually gives you enough late game punch and counterpunch to match even warrior

[grave jay]

Yeah people forget that Ghesit Giant is an 8 mana play.

Not as powerfull as a titan, but still an 8 mana play.

[quick gazelle]

Yeah, and always two bodies

Though sometimes the second one sucks

If it does I often keep for handbuff

If its an expensive one though, just jam it and they've got a lot to respond to and you're still only spending the card slot you played 5 turns ago

I adore shaman gigantify murloc for the same reason

[grave jay]

@quick gazelle D2 atm with your list but -2 Yodeler and +2 Gold panner

I have to say one Thread instead on Primat is very good.

[quick gazelle]

Letsgo

Fuck em up

[grave jay]

Haha

I go DK style

Chill

[quick gazelle]

Yeah a lot of decks these days are so spammy

So it can remove even big things sometimes

[grave jay]

It is very good.

Beter than Titan because it doesn't offer a target for big steals shenagans, copy etc

[quick gazelle]

Yeah! Primus is cool sometimes but I got sick of him doing little for me then being stolen hahaha

[grave jay]

For Panner

It takes a bit of skill to handle overdraw

But really like getting to my cards

Access combo pieces.

But overall I say

Mission accomplished

Deck is not T3 anymore

But T2 for sure at least :p

[lusty steppe]

ya clark didnt play it sadge

[grave jay]

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So far I am crushing everything.

I don't see any Paladin thought.

Gaslight is the real struggle.

[ruby coral]

So what's the latest list looking like?

[quick gazelle]

#1247946423689941056 message

This is mine atm

Fully combo focused

Scales likes more draw (panners), w8 seemed to like a lower curve with skeletal archer (which has a lot of applications)

From mine you could cut threads, maw/paw, geists, salesmen, maybe other things. Scales doesn't like yodeler as much as I do

[green karma]

The really interesting discovery for me was how good saloon was

Outside of the combo

[lusty steppe]

I’m debating cutting threads for one plucky

Paintfin or whatever it’s called

[quick gazelle]

It always draws good cards

[proven topaz]

If we play it slow and not focus on playing for tempo, is one threads enough?

[quick gazelle]

In the matchups its most important in, we are playing for board

Like, I am still playing stuff in most matchups, I'm not completely passive

And especially v hunter and pala I'm caring about board control

It's flexible

[ruby coral]

Don't feel like crafting Threads again, trying a Paintfin instead

[desert fiber]

#1247946423689941056 message

heres mine

swap fizzle for magatha or gold panner

[gusty zinc]

Way too many spells for magatha

[grave jay]

Legend with Handbuff DK

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 6980
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# 🟦 1x (2) Threads of Despair
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) Maw and Paw
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12954370

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12954370

[quick gazelle]

[grave jay]

What do we do with the list?

DO we write a guide?

I can write a short one for competitive reddit if needed.

(When my hangover is finished)

[quick gazelle]

I'm likely going to write one

But it'll take me a few days

I'm away for most of the weekend and wanna play the list a bit more first, and I'm not the fastest writer

Feel free to write your own if you wanna help expose the list though!

[cedar root]

Hit double digit legend

[grave jay]

Maybe, but it is not really my style. I hate grinding, I prefer brewing. All I wanted is to prove the deck was Legend viable. I'll keep playing the deck as long as I enjoy it, but won't grind for the sake of grinding.

Wait I just realized.

I did it

Legend with an off-meta deck.

F yes.

[grave jay]

I will write one and post it on competitve reddit.

I just did not wanted to overlapse.

[quick gazelle]

Nah on you go!

If I do my own ill do it a week later or something

[cedar root]

Whoever gets more upvotes gets their name featured in the report

[grave jay]

Kek

Well I write clean.

But I swear

I have an 8/10 hangover

[floral quail]

Yeah this deck doesn’t work.

All taunt minions and rng beat you.

I have yet to actually do the combo. The deck is bad early, hits a small power spike around turn 6, and if they generate endless taunt minions late you have no way to win.

My only wins have been (somehow) against Reno decks. You just smash them.

[grave jay]

Two of us just did early legend with it.

[floral quail]

This is what almost every game looks like.

If you draw out of order you literally do nothing for 4 turns. You only have a game plan against control decks.

[quick gazelle]

Certainly you have a far easier time against the slow decks. Main appeal of this is fucking over renos

But you have game v anything that isn't paladin

Hound is nuts

[floral quail]

I’ve seen two games against reno in 30 games.

[quick gazelle]

That's rough. I had pretty good matchup luck

Shame the deck didn't work for you 😦

[floral quail]

This is pocket meta luck. Like I’m not bashing you, good on you, but this will not work for a majority of ladder.

[quick gazelle]

I mean, what parts of ladder shouldn't it work on

Cause it took me from d5 to legend

[floral quail]

The part I always get stuck at is platinum 5 through 1. I have no idea why it happens but it happens every month.

ZachO fixed it by adding gnomes.

The funniest part is once I hit diamond 10 I always have like a 60-65% win rate to legend. It’s bizarre.

Plat 2-3 just beats the piss out of me.

Makes zero actual sense.

[quick gazelle]

The gnome munchers were in this before. Zachs list is doing a different thing. It needs to play more aggressively and actually win through the board, with brewmaster being used flexibly and with ghoul damage just getting you over the top. The soulcage list can easily do a 30+ damage OTK so it can play differently, and muncher fits that less well

[floral quail]

Zach’s list is more my style.

[quick gazelle]

Yeah I had more trouble getting bronze to gold this month than gold to d5

[floral quail]

Nothing gives me a “feels bad” more than doing nothing for 4 turns. I can’t do it.

If I do stuff early and lose later I’m good.

[quick gazelle]

I don't usually do nothing

I'm away for the weekend but I wanna get more games in when I'm back

See if I can stay top 2k legend

[cedar root]

Is it "actually plat" though?

Having a star bonus means you're matched by MMR

[cedar root]

Hm, I've never really noticed anything like this with a star bonus lol

[quick gazelle]

It's just variance

[grave jay]

The is the weirdest Hearthstone story ever.

Plat is the ennemy.

[gusty zinc]

What if yours Is pocket meta unluck

[floral quail]

Very possible!

[floral quail]

I really don’t see how this deck isn’t bad against anything that makes boards.

Here’s the problem. Yodeler is usually a dead card.

[quick gazelle]

scales seemed to find the same thing as you

meanwhile i cant imagine not having yodelers

[floral quail]

Yeah this deck is bad. Sorry. I’m going back to things that actually win games.

<_<

[desert fiber]

cant you just say this with handbuff pali too 😭😭

[desert fiber]

sounds like a skill issue bro

[desert fiber]

bro 😭

that explains it

[floral quail]

Handbuff full heals like every turn a turn earlier than death knight and has divine shield to do it with.

This deck doesn’t

One turn makes a massive difference.

[heavy junco]

The key annoyance i had when refining handbuff dk is dying by turn 5 to aggro (before i can reno with hound) and having no hand to buff. The meta got less aggro overtime heavily minimized the first issue, and the second issue was heavily minimized when my early game was replaced with all self-replacing cards.

#1247946423689941056 message

[quick gazelle]

4-0 tonight

[heavy junco]

Nice, im hyped to see that number climb

[quick gazelle]

never been this high and tried to stay there

so it'll be interesting for me

[heavy junco]

Yeah, if this gets high enough id love to have it submitted it to topdecks etc

[quick gazelle]

i imagine my job will become much harder once the other climbers around this level begin to recognise the strat

so far nobody has any idea what im doing

so they never appreciate my kill range

the brewmaster, many'll know from the report

but the soulcage, they dont

[heavy junco]

Streamers have tried the report deck, and quickly dismissed it, but they do not know the way of the soulcage

I dont think anyone will get wise cause practically no one else is playing this specific combo

For now, until it's like popularized/posted

[quick gazelle]

to end the night some paladins found me and took turns beating the shit out of me

i'll take 4-3

[lusty steppe]

just get to like top 500, all the paladins go away replaced by more rogues

which I figure this might not be bad into

non gaslight at least

[quick gazelle]

yeah im positive overall into rogues

[heavy junco]

The handbuff pallys you mean?

[lusty steppe]

Yeah 0-2 both losses to drill rogue

Will give it one more game

Okay I won I’ll keep going lol

Really is fun when you hit the combo

[heavy junco]

Exactly, dont die, hit combo

Nice

[lusty steppe]

Won against Reno warrior

Okay this is nice lol

I dropped threads for paintfin

[heavy junco]

I like paintfin:
Self-replacing 1-3 drop
Gets your hollowhound stabilizwr

[lusty steppe]

Hound or reska

But I figure only run it as a 1 of

[heavy junco]

I love paintfins sound fx when he enters play

[lusty steppe]

Yeah paintfin won me a game

I was able to tutor reska and then yodeler reska

On like t8

[lusty steppe]

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 5480
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 1x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12975869

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12975869

[lusty steppe]

gone from like 480-> almost top 200 with this

been wondering if I can cut two spells and try to run Magatha. sometimes draw is meh but not much to do

really like paintfin in this too

also like yodelers, esp cause of reska

[heavy junco]

Ive tried magatha and it didnt work for me. It works in handbuff paladin where they run no spells, and spells are powerful in this deck. Other self-replacing card i use is dryscale deputy, hes okay

And nice on climbing to 200 with this!

[lusty steppe]

Yeah you still lose to paladin but I only saw like 1 in ten games

[quick gazelle]

im kinda tempted

threads is great but its best in the matchups i lose anyway

it maybe just makes sense to not even try and adjust the list to compete with paladins and focus it entirely towards everything else

[grave jay]

Generally that's the play. Emphasize your strong mu rather than weaken the deck for bad mu. Still, I like threads.

[grave jay]

I like this list, I'll replace one yodeler with threads.

[grave jay]

Btw my Highest otk was almost 60 dmg to a buffed up DK. Like, when a deck is able to do that in the meta, it means it is allready favored vs control decks in general.

I still like thread, even at two mana it felt better than Primat overall because it is comming down earlier.

[grave jay]

You reaaly are missing on Paw and Maw. Dropping a Paw is insta upgrade for spellstone and fuel for soulcage.

[lusty steppe]

O wait spellstone works

[floral quail]

Threads felt clunky

[lusty steppe]

So tried Magatha one game but my hand was already kind of full

I just really want draw for this

Maybe I’ll test out acolyte

[green karma]

Pretty sure m&p is bait

Spell stone is it worth the tempo loss

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 5400
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Murmy
# ⬜ 2x (1) Skeletal Sidekick
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12983068

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12983068

[green karma]

I mentioned this before, but I like sidekick a lot

The idea with murmy is to have some sort of early game

And to help activate spell stone

Sidekick buff is permanent, so sometimes we can just stick it with the attack and be happy with the early chip

[lusty steppe]

nice yeah I could see murmy working

im trying out this list right now:
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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 8720
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 1x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟨   1x (8) The Primus
# 🟦   1x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦   1x (2) Threads of Despair
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 1x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12983493

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[lusty steppe]

not really sure of the third slot of etc, have primus there for now

I just also haven't loved spinel spell stone

so trying just a 1 of

also back and forth between threads or corpse explosion, since explosion might be stronger for paladins

[quick gazelle]

I like it, but can definitely see it being cut

It's awkward for sure

But I do like how distracting it is for the opponent

And how much effective health you can get

But it does sit in my hand not-infrequently

And I rarely need the corpses, even if the spellstone triggering is neat

[lusty steppe]

Is helya actually good? She’s so high in stats

[quick gazelle]

ive not even tried her

it doesnt make much sense to me

[grave jay]

I like the murmy idea. Sidecik is also smart because it can give the Ghoul reach. I also like the fact they are both undead. The thing with salesman, it is that, well ther is no better one drop.

[quick gazelle]

she has zero application anywhere except the matchups where we already usually win by combo

[lusty steppe]

I could kind of see it. She does chip damage

But yeah true

[quick gazelle]

yeah, while im not high on murmy and leery overall of putting more 1-drops in, the archer guy has a bunch of applications and makes a lot of sense to me

lot of targets

[grave jay]

Yeah totally.

But the thing is that archer is the same as cadaver

Not a good T1 play.

[lusty steppe]

It can be a t3 play though

[grave jay]

And Salesman got in especially for that.

[lusty steppe]

To take out like sock puppet

But yeah

[grave jay]

For corpse, you need to drop down BFU to get BBU.

[lusty steppe]

O right so nvm

Why can’t prosthetic hand be undead too

[grave jay]

[[prosthetic hand]]

[fickle helm]

prosthetic hand (Other potential matches)

Prosthetic Hand (View card and tokens)

[grave jay]

Aaaaargh damn yeah.

But tbh, it wouldn't get in.

Because we need a playable curve imo.

And Hand being undead, would mean a looooooooot of 3 drop in the deck.

Panner is just always the best 2 drop you can put with mining

Maybe Wand maker?

In 1 drop spells we have

Arthas gift

[lusty steppe]

I see some lists tried out card grader.

[grave jay]

guys go check them I have names in frecnh it would tke long

[[card grader]]

[fickle helm]

card grader (Other potential matches)

Card Grader (View card and tokens)

[grave jay]

Too slow on tempo imo

I thought about it.

But Panner does the job better with Baron imo.

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 5280
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Skeletal Sidekick
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12984313

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12984313

[grave jay]

Ima try this

Since I give up spell stone

[lusty steppe]

Yeah looks good

[grave jay]

I accept to get in Yodeler for puppeter combo.

[lusty steppe]

Yeah yodeler can just do crazy things with reska too

[grave jay]

True

[lusty steppe]

That’s pulled some almost losses into wins

[grave jay]

But Yodler is the same problem as spellstone, it is a card that needs setup

But the Reska combo gets an edge

[lusty steppe]

Yeah

That’s why I like 1 paintfin

With yodelers

More chance I have reska

[grave jay]

I tried it but curve was awkward

I really like the paner on T2.

5 games away from 500 victories on DK

Sidekick is great with hound so far.

But you gotta be more mindfull with your handbuff with the loss of spellstone.

[lusty steppe]

Anyone ever try overlord runthak

[[Overlord Runthak]]

[fickle helm]

Overlord Runthak (Other potential matches)

Overlord Runthak (View card and tokens)

[lusty steppe]

Probably not it

[grave jay]

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 6980
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) Maw and Paw
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 1x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12984754

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12984754

[grave jay]

Lemme explain why

Sidekick is never a good turn one play. It is a one mana card okay, but you generally use it in combo. But in that case, why not just use a spellstone that gives us +3/+3 for hand rather than a +2 attack direcly?

All we gain is a potential buffed zombie for one mana.

1Yodeler+1Paw and Maw:

Paw and maw is a proactive turn 4 play.

Yodeler is always a card you wanna play on set up.

And generally one Yodeler tick is enough to win the game.

I really don't like having both yodeler in hands early.

It feels win more.

This deck has crazy late game with combo and buffed undead.

But it needs to survive early turns.

That's why I emphasize o much on tempo for the first 4 turns.

Your goal is to drop safely a Puppeter with either a ghoul in hand and/or handbuff targets.

But doing brewmaster+HP is such a tempo loss, that we need to have tempo on the first 3 turns.

(Writing this I realize how much of a nerd we are)

(Anyway)

That's why Panner on two is such a good play.

It allow us to get to that situation.

It is a tepo gain, card draw and gives us the reach to get to Puppeter.

A card that we keep in mulligan only in slow mu.

With this version the curve looks nice

Symetrical and shit

[grave jay]

I thought about it. It looks nice, but on 5, the play is almost always puppeter imo.

[quick gazelle]

i see the logic, but it feels to me like the hardest common matchup is handbuff paladin and early turns tempo barely even matters v them

its turns 5-8 where things really get out of hand

[grave jay]

That's why I switched Threads for Yoddeler.

Yoddeler+Reska is your wincon.

Also vs handbuff, I wanna control th board as much as I can.

Because otherwise it gets out of hand

(no puns intended)

[quick gazelle]

i might try switching out my 1x threads for panner

[grave jay]

The things is

in general

for combo deck

You wanna get as fast and as consistently to your combo pieces in general.

You always look for the cheapest and fastest way to achieve you wicon.

Ofc here it is the the only wincon, but the idea stays.

So I don't understand why people are not using it.

[lusty steppe]

Tbh I feel I’ve yodeler reska more than the puppet

[grave jay]

True.

It is a better combo.

[lusty steppe]

Sometimes yodel on Baron too

[quick gazelle]

for me its pretty 50/50

[quick gazelle]

and here i am on the cusp of... 100

i havent clicked with many DK decks up to now

[heavy junco]

[[Skeletal sidekick]]

[fickle helm]

Skeletal sidekick (Other potential matches)

Skeletal Sidekick (View card and tokens)

[lusty steppe]

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 10220
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟨   1x (4) Helya
# 🟦   1x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦   1x (2) Threads of Despair
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 1x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12985680

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12985680

[lusty steppe]

my current list

going to test primus until I get it yogged a bunch

[quick gazelle]

ETC, huh

interesting

[lusty steppe]

ya I just never liked the 2nd sinister soulcage in more aggro matchups

but etc could be wrong

I'm stickin gwith 1 plucky

[heavy junco]

[[Plucky paintfin]]

[fickle helm]

Plucky paintfin (Other potential matches)

Plucky Paintfin (View card and tokens)

[heavy junco]

Good ol fella

[grave jay]

In more aggro mu I use it more on Hound, Seamstress or Reska.

[quick gazelle]

same

in fast MUs the first soulcage can go on a ton of things and i dont hold it back much

in slower MUs, i often feel like i need both of them

warriors are regularly getting to 40 or 50+ hp v me

so i need both soulcages to be able to OTK

[grave jay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/1dcptzo/handbuff_otk_dk_legend/

Now we wait for data.

Data for the Lord of Data

[quick gazelle]

nice! updooted

[grave jay]

Is the writing good?

Or are they changes I need to make?

Or even grammatical corrections?

[quick gazelle]

theres typos here and there

but i dont think many people care that much

you write 'Spinner Spellstone' instead of 'Spinel Spellstone' twice that i saw

but its good! hope it gets some more people interested

might write a longer one towards the end of the month if i continue having success and am able to stay at a decently high legend rank

[grave jay]

Aye, fair enough.

Still a bit dazed from my friday night

So that'll do.

[quick gazelle]

damn you must've gone hard

[grave jay]

You have no idea

I'm getting too old for this shit.

Kids

Beware of white wine.

[quick gazelle]

im sorted, i dont like wine

well

i dont really like almost any alcohol tbh

[grave jay]

Well, usually I never drink wine neither.

[quick gazelle]

with the one incredibly notable exception of rum

[grave jay]

I just tried for once

[quick gazelle]

fucking love rum

[grave jay]

Same

Adore Rhum

SO yeah

I never do wine

Just this time I tried