APM Nature Shaman

[short quiver]

I was really happy with elixirs too instead of chord

[fickle schooner]

ya i already changed the likst im going to try

[short quiver]

Often we find another flash or burn spell

[fickle schooner]

cut thorim/kobold for two salesman

[short quiver]

And salesman felt really great too, for sure

Good choice

I think I wanna keep the 1 kobold so we have 4 spell damage minions

[fickle schooner]

ya salesman jus thas such a good Mull WR

i feel like we should try

and yeah ideally id run kobold too just want to try without it

but id prolly cut 1 location

ramses hates running the 2 mana spell minion sbut idk

[short quiver]

The 2 mana spell minion, which one?

[fickle schooner]

he doesnt like either

but idk ive liked them so far

lets you still do the spell damage otk sometimes

[fickle schooner]

okay so far this list working well:
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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 8800
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 1x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟦 2x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟦 2x (5) Altered Chord
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) Inzah
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11641978

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11641978

[fickle schooner]

okay 7-0 now lol

idk whty d0nkey sometimes misses games

[pallid sand]

so we drop the 2 totems and pannera huh

in favor to aks and 2 copies of location

[fickle schooner]

ya i havent really liked totems

with DH/war being meta tyrants

befre paladin would let them sit

[fickle schooner]

alright dryscale tech working great against warrior

who suggested that before

[fickle schooner]

its hilarious when you copy snapshot

7 battlecries also feels really good with location amount

[fickle schooner]

i guess if you want to target warrior harder you can play shudder but i feel shudder is so slow in any other MU

and its really hard to even get through one snapshot

shudder over dryscale*

[tawny ember]

shudder is a mega dead card in other matchups

[fickle schooner]

ya idont like it

current stats at top 500

[short quiver]

Very impressive dude

With your latest list?

[fickle schooner]

ya

i think its perfect now

you draw through the deck pretty fast with x2 lcoation

and 7 battlecries is enough where the 2nd location doesnt feel bad

[echo socket]

Ya the balance of battlecries is important I think. I was trying to run 1 location with flowriders/fizzle/1 deputy...but then you tend to not draw location super reliably.

I didn't love the idea of wandmakers but adding them for 2nd location makes sense.

Curving location into Inzah on 4 seems good too

[vital pelican]

How often are you reaching fatigue?

[fickle schooner]

usually im a few cards away from fatigue against like warrior

im subbing the chords out for elixirs cause barely playing any DH

well now i just ququed into one thanks algorithm

[echo socket]

Elixirs feel pretty great into shoppers though. Core of the deck I think is pretty flexible TBH

[fickle schooner]

you mean chord or elixirs?

[echo socket]

Sorry, meant chord

[fickle schooner]

ya

i th ink im going to put mine back in

[echo socket]

Elixir is kinda flexible though too which is nice

[pallid sand]

if only we had chord and elixir as the gift options lmao

[echo socket]

I definitely don't feel as "hoarder" with my spells with this list into aggro decks.

[short quiver]

I think I prefer elixirs

as they are still great into DH

but are also high value in the warrior mu

I think ramses made the same change

trying your latest build with chords -> elixirs

[echo socket]

I think I'm just scared to take the "DH training wheels" off 🙂

But could totally be the right call.

Form is a more flexible card. Chords main benefit into warrior is that it's dumpable from hand. 😐

[fickle schooner]

im tempted to readd kobold cause i get dirty ratted by war a bunch

[echo socket]

Looked at TicTac Ramses lists on donkey. Interesting both running 2 copies of deputy now

And ya I can maybe see 1 kobold. I've sometimes found I'm stuck waiting on spell damage minions sometimes with 3 in deck

[short quiver]

yeah tictac and ramses both moved to double elixir instead of double chord

tictacs list looks super sweet, it just misses the two salesmen 🥲

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 8760
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟦 2x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) Inzah
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBqOfBJegBKzRBbLRBY31Bb+eBgzq5wP5nwTE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AXrmAatnQbmngakpwaopwbv5gYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11648024

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11648024

[short quiver]

^ he's playing this

but salesman has some anti synergy with deputy

so that might be the tradeoff

[echo socket]

Ya I I like tempo...sometimes it bugs me I mill cards cause of the oils when I have clunky hands

That's true too

[short quiver]

if you are overdrawing it's pretty safe to just shoot a 0 dmg oil

[echo socket]

I meant more if it's on board and they kill it

[short quiver]

but if I'm looking at his list... I would maybe say -1 location, -1 deputy for 2x salesman?

[short quiver]

ahh I see

[echo socket]

I like that people are cooking. I wouldn't have thought possible morphing past version into something playable into both DH and warrior "at the same time" with a few card choices TBH.

[fickle schooner]

yeah im trying elixirs more

they are basically better into any non dh esp if DK isnt running maw and paw

i still like salesmen overall

but i could see cutting salesmen in my list for +1 deputy + 1 kobold so idk

thats a better warrior li st prolly

i guess d0nkey calls this one nature shaman

[fickle schooner]

Also against warrior I don’t really love reflex in snapshot all the time. Takes up so much time

[fickle schooner]

The list tictac running feels good

It isn’t as good into dh so I think elixir vs chord depends on your meta

[silver trench]

https://replays.firestoneapp.com/?reviewId=bd480c82-e0f2-4e85-9fb3-4265295ab86a&source=game-summary

nature shaman more like attrition control fatigue shaman lol

I thought i had like 60 damage no idea what happened but still won

[keen vine]

need zach to cook on this one I keep wanting to change stuff around

[silver trench]

good run w/ nature shaman today

[silver trench]

played this list card for card

that being said i did manage to dodge every single warrior

and most dh players

yk a deck is good when it can both otk people in 3 minutes and control excavate rogue over 20 minuntes until they die to fatigue

[keen vine]

only game I lost to warrior was fizzle getting ratted

[fickle schooner]

ya thats how ive lost mostly

so thats why i went back to running 1 kobold

[short quiver]

nice one dude!

[echo socket]

I had "reversion to the mean" day yesterday. I found newer tictac list tough to play (or I got highrolled not sure which). I stil find I need altered chords to deal with DH which is still tough when they have curve with both weapons and highroll all the discovers.

I saw a lot of rats too.

[fickle schooner]

i found i go through loss streaks alot with the deck

idk i think the deck is tough to play for extended time

so much thinking

i missed lethal vs pizza on my last game yesterday

[echo socket]

Thinking in terms of Mana, board space, damage, discovers and also trying to account for animation times always gets me

[fickle schooner]

really annoinyg playing DKs with helya on 4 multiple times in a row or HL Warrior with reno on 6 followed by x2 dirty rats

[echo socket]

Pop up book is so slow

Ya, that sounds about how my games went

[fickle schooner]

brann not reno*

[fickle schooner]

These seem to be the two lists doing well:
Rank 1 deck that ins4ne now runs
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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 7080
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBqOfBJegBKzRBY31Bb+eBpTmBgzq5wP5nwTE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQaFjgatnQacngbmngaopwYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11619255

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11619255

[fickle schooner]

list tictac got from Meeps? i think that I am running too
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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 8760
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟦 2x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) Inzah
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBqOfBJegBKzRBbLRBY31Bb+eBgzq5wP5nwTE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AXrmAatnQbmngakpwaopwbv5gYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11648024

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11648024

[fickle schooner]

i think the meeps/tictac list is better into warrior. the other list seems unfavored into warrior but better in the mirror/other decks

[pallid sand]

hardly even seeing any dhs lol
it's all warrior zone

[fickle schooner]

im gonig to try cutting deputies for cactus

[pallid sand]

nah my deputy cloned fizzle’s shot once, so no cutting on my part 😛

[pallid sand]

managed to nuke a drood with 25 armor
(he had two free spirits on 2)

[fickle schooner]

love that

i killed an odyn warrior with 23 armor

though thats pretty low for odyn

i guess they arent running quillboars

[echo socket]

Blows my mind fizzle kinda works. Makes me wonder if fizzle would have worked vs Odyn decks in bio decks prior to rotation as a meta tech. Trickier to draw consistently I guess.

[fickle schooner]

ya i wonder

[silver trench]

I feel like bio decks had much more mana problems and much more max damage

Shaman decks with fizzle and flash of lightning, excluding shudderblock and jive insect

[fickle schooner]

how did you sort by that?

or did you just pick a deck with those

nvm

its the deck

thought you could somehow include all decks together

[silver trench]

You can include and exclude cards and select specific class

[fickle schooner]

o ya i know that, but thats for the specific decklist right it isn't a combination of different shaman decks with fizzle/flash and no shudder?

[silver trench]

It filters for every single game of shaman that fits those filters

Then you just hit Vs Class and it shows the winrates vs each class

Usually you can just click an archetype but there’s some shaman archetype weirdness with spell damage shaman and nature shaman

[fickle schooner]

o dang

i didnt know that thanks

[short quiver]

I didn’t know either, what’s the URL for this?

[tawny ember]

d0nkey.top

[short quiver]

I mean the url there to filter on that kinda stuff, just the decks page?

I use the donkey website a lot, but i was not familiar with this feature

[tawny ember]

ye just go to decks

[wise jay]

I think I’ve been playing the deck wrong. I’ve got the habit of keeping flash no matter what and apparently it’s bad

[fickle schooner]

flash is sometimes an okay keep

depends on the opponent

against rogue/DH I always keep flash

and a reflex if I also have that

warrior I think I usually toss since I want draw/Inzah/fizzle

basically any aggrish deck flash I think can be a good keep

I think I might try adding a Jive/1 conductivity package into spell dmg

[fickle schooner]

if you snapshot jive combo its another 24 DMG potentially vs warrior

[echo socket]

The jive lists with 2 conductivities I always kinda wonder why they don't maybe run altered chord as an alternate way for the card to function (vs a pure combo card) as a way to stabilize vs aggro.

[fickle schooner]

yeah

that can be really good into like DH

18 health

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 8560
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟦 2x (5) Altered Chord
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11699737

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11699737

[fickle schooner]

was thinking something like this

might need more draw though actually

maybe i do just run cutters

over wand

[short quiver]

This is gray pirates jive list, it's good: AAECAfe5AgSXoATI0AWN9QW/ngYN6ucD+Z8EncUFvtAFxNAFze4FyvgFy/gF6ZUGzpwGnJ4G5p4GqKcGAAA=

[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 7360
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟦 2x (5) Altered Chord
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBJegBMjQBY31Bb+eBg3q5wP5nwSdxQW+0AXE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AXplQbOnAacngbmngaopwYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11692574

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11692574

[short quiver]

you could do a cutter instead of totem / panner

[fickle schooner]

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 8980
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 1x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟦 2x (5) Altered Chord
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBpegBMjQBazRBY31Bb+eBqSnBgzq5wP5nwSdxQW+0AXE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQbplQbmngaopwYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11699937

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11699937

[fickle schooner]

I think I'll try this

sad with no wandmaker but cutters thin the deck

and jive already does a crap load on the combo. have to run two Jazz bass since warriors run 1 viper

Jive just has looked good in nature and spell DMG stats on d0nkey

so i feel like fitting it in would be huge. could really help warrior MU since that's 24 DMG

on the combo turn

maybe you don't even need fizzle but I like fizzle too much even though he's low in stats

I also don't love totem/planner because wars/DH/DK are my main MUs and they all clear. I think they are better into shamans/warlocks

[keen vine]

going to take until the next expansion to refine this deck lmao

[short quiver]

If DH gets nerfed in next bg patch, we can tech it more against warriors I think

Killing both warriors and dhs is the big deck puzzle 🧩

[vital pelican]

If only DH gets nerfed I think the "deck to beat" will be Zarimi Priest

[silver trench]

the priest mu looks slightly favored over low sample on d0nkey

i think if zarimi priest draws the nuts ur getting folded by turn 4, but so do most decks, but otherwise you can kinda control them and I think its important to be willing to flash of lightning early

[fickle schooner]

Yeah if they don’t have Magatha or clergy draw they usually just dead

Only time I’ve lost is Magatha draw that doesn’t give me mostly spells

Only time I’ve lost to a Zarimi priest*

If priest is actually everywhere we might even run two spirit claws. Zapper/claw in mull ends priest

I’m kind of expecting lots of wheel locks too which should be good

Zarimi depends if people play it

[short quiver]

does anyone have an easy to pilot deck that works well if your brain needs a rest from apm shaman 😛 ?

[tawny ember]

rainbow dk

just a pile of removal lol

[fickle schooner]

yeah lol I notice the end of a long session I start losing more

[short quiver]

I’m gonna try this one later: AAECAaoIBJegBKzRBY31Bb+eBg3q5wOjnwT5nwTE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQbrmAatnQbmngakpwaopwYAAA==

[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 7160
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# 🟦 2x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBJegBKzRBY31Bb+eBg3q5wOjnwT5nwTE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQbrmAatnQbmngakpwaopwYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11712579

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11712579

[short quiver]

From this bait tweet https://vxtwitter.com/pacceyguy/status/1776823513489223786?s=46

[tawny ember]

looks too tight, 2 locations and 2 kobolds?

[pallid sand]

wow, the thread has achieved 1200 posts already

quite a success

[tawny ember]

apm posting

[short quiver]

You can probably drop 1 loc and 1 kobold for something else, e.g. inzah, wandmaker or ancestral knowledge

But I would like to try it like it was posted first

[short quiver]

Code is not correct btw, it runs miracle salesmen instead of ancestral knowledges

[short quiver]

Now 3-0 with it 🙂

[fickle schooner]

I tried the rag version and too many glacial shards

[fickle schooner]

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6720
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBKOfBJegBKzRBY31BQ3q5wP5nwTE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQaFjgatnQacngbmngaopwbv5gYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11724846

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11724846

[fickle schooner]

might go with this

[vital pelican]

Any jivers?

[fickle schooner]

I tried it and then got glacial sharded so much

I know photon is running it though at top 10

It is a fun lethal though with rag and might just need a refined list

[short quiver]

List looks clean

And I think Jive is good as well, plenty of people having success with it

I prefer the burn gameplay

Glacial shard is not that bad for the jive list, or is it about breaking jazz bass?

[tawny ember]

prob for the bass

you flash they freeze your face

[fickle schooner]

Yeah basically that so you can’t break it

Cause sometimes you need the flash to clear the board and get them to 27

[tawny ember]

ok so the version without inzah seems superior

the question is do we need location?

[short quiver]

I liked it in the pace list

But I don’t think we need it

It has good hits (flowrider, fizz)

Raichu how is your latest list without location doing?

[fickle schooner]

Feels really good

[short quiver]

It looks very clean, looking at it again

[short quiver]

1-0 with it 🙂

it was a mirror

the guy was playing audio amplifier

I am gonna jam deputy over totem, the stats on d0nkey have been a bit more fleshed out and deputy could be a possible improvement! link

2-0 with it now (second game was with deputy > totem)

[tawny ember]

i like to snapshot my hand with spd minions in it

helps against rats and gives you another shot at warrior

Sometimes it is useful to leave a warrior with 1 armor so they can’t cast googles for free

[short quiver]

yeah getting zappers in your snapshot feels so good!

[short quiver]

ouch, went from 3-0 to 3-3, 3 extremely bad luck games in a row

[short quiver]

Switched back to your totem version and it might feel better, the draw was nice. I did feel a bit more scared when facing warriors, but I was able to highroll a bit

[tawny ember]

totem seems core

[short quiver]

haven't lost since playing Raichu's latest list, it feels very solid

Did not miss the location

All cards make sense

It's able to pop off early

It might be close to

[fickle schooner]

Yeah it feels good but I sometimes miss Inzah against warrior

I’ve been seeing some cycle Odyn again now

[fickle schooner]

i may just try -1 wandmaker + 1 inzah

[fickle schooner]

well i left it as is but swapped elixirs with chords. a lot of naga shopper DHs on NA today

[short quiver]

I really like the elixirs

And man, I also got a lot of shoppers

Sometimes they just get it all

[echo socket]

Ya I had run lists with both elixir/chords and it still feels like their nut draws get there unless you have early flash turn setup.

[fickle schooner]

Yeah I’m still facing so much naga shopper dh I died to one from 18 hp

I’ve just been running chords over elixirs for today

Also trying one location again just so fizzle tutor if I can’t draw him early

[spiral lintel]

is there any better feeling: https://hsreplay.net/replay/KejLpHeGubJLpcZH4Fd4oT

[fickle schooner]

nicee

[short quiver]

what do we cut? 1 wandmaker? 1 totem?

1 chord / elixir

[short quiver]

After the DH nerf I think we can cut both chords and elixirs

[tawny ember]

we might wanna put aoe

depends on a meta ofc

we’ll wait and see

[fickle schooner]

I cut both wandmakers for overdraft/location

Which might not be correct

Facing so much naga dh I also cut salesmen for chords to go with elixirs . Since naga dh can you kill even at like 20 hp

[short quiver]

naga dh is scary

It's actually the best performing dh at top legend right now

today is F5 day, so zach posts new lists that will be posted in the report (some will still go through some refinement)

The popular "standard" build was posted as the current to-go list with the best performance, zach hates the deck lol

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 7080
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11619255

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11619255

[short quiver]

i also like overdraft + location tbh, the location has been growing on me after playing the Pace list a bit more

[tawny ember]

is it naga shopper dh with titan?

[short quiver]

yes

[fickle schooner]

I think 1 location is good

2 is bad

1 location makes it so you can try to get fizzle at some point

ive like 1 lcoation max 5 battlecry minions

yeah Naga Shopper DH is a lot harder to beat on shaman

it use to be your healing kept you around at least 15 HP and DH couldn't kill you from that

Naga DH can

overdraft doesn't really look great in stats but idk I like having 1. esp if not running wandmakers

from that above list right now I'm running -2 salesmen for chords, and -1 claw for Location. claw seems to be getting worse lately

but I'm dropping chords if I don't see as much Naga DH today

[tawny ember]

turn 1 feels so bad without salesman

[keen vine]

are we safe here lmaoooo

[short quiver]

we're never safe

[keen vine]

prosecuted for our beliefs

smh my head

[fickle schooner]

yeah id leave salesman in actually

just sucks to draw late but so good on mull

[tawny ember]

best 1 drop in the game babyyy

[short quiver]

I've been tweaking some small things again (inspired by Pace's list and Raichu's). Pace drops both ancestral knowledges in his list, I think playing 1 feels perfect. This amount feels good with Golg (we need more than 4 overload cards for Golgs draw to feel consistent, but never want to draw 2 AK's with his ability), while in the early game I greatly prefer dropping a minion over playing AK. I also love how deputies perform in the current warrior meta, they feel better than wandmakers. On top of that, I think we should be running 1 location which feels like the sweet spot.

This is the list I've been playing tonight (5-0 now):
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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6780
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 1x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 1x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11779585

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11779585

[tawny ember]

how often do u drop golg?

[short quiver]

I often drop him on 6 while playing flash

To draw or to clear

Lol, check this idea out: https://vxtwitter.com/katakuchi_104/status/1777475751320969504?s=46

Don’t know if this is worth playing no other 2 drops

[tawny ember]

dude this is meme fs

[short quiver]

But tutoring flash is nutty

[tawny ember]

no way gnome is a real card

wait

he cut all draw

[short quiver]

Its 4 mana 2/4 battlecry: draw flash

[tawny ember]

he made the deck way worse just so he can draw flash?

[short quiver]

Yeah obviously the deck is not complete

[tawny ember]

all card draw is 2 mana

at least now

[short quiver]

True, its probably not playable

Still it’s a fun idea

[tawny ember]

3 mana torim is unplayable

yeah another idea is u can run 3 mana bad minion to draw snapshot

[short quiver]

Yeah every mana we have to spend in this deck hurts

[tawny ember]

[[seeker]]

[empty mulch]

seeker (Other potential matches)

Soul Seeker (View card and tokens)

[short quiver]

Snapshot is way less important than playing flash

[tawny ember]

[[sharp-eyed]]

[empty mulch]

sharp-eyed (Other potential matches)

Sharp-Eyed Seeker (View card and tokens)

[tawny ember]

i just keep flash with a good hand already tbh

[fickle schooner]

i woudl see the elss spells hand being more important in the jive list

because jive has a huge drawn WR

[tawny ember]

tread lightly guys, I'm already starting to see stompers and neophytes in decks

shaman is making noise lol

such decks usually don't last long if they become popular

[pallid sand]

Did see warlocks and dhs with stompers and neophites respectively, but that was like 2 weeks ago

[tawny ember]

this deck became somewhat popular just a few days ago

give it time

[pallid sand]

yeah also got some big shoutout in podcast

[fickle schooner]

Yeah I’m seeing dks with stompers

Makes more reason to run Dryscale so you can dupe flash possible

DH doesn’t really need to run them

Wheel should run stompers and pain lock runs cult neophytes

Some of them have run stompers for Warrior already to protect their board

[echo socket]

The odds of not drawing flash by the time you need it seem low. It was when I needed 2nd flash for a warrior because first one got reno'd

[tawny ember]

i run neophytes in painlock for dk and warriors

[tawny ember]

jive shaman has the spell in hand quite often

and flash is easily discovered

if half of your deck is draw you get flash every time

(9 out of 10)

[chilly bronze]

Jive + conductivity is so stupidly fun. I swear I love this game. lmao

[chilly bronze]

I love this deck. It doesn't feel filthy like the gifted shaman deck did. It's just fun and leads to some crazy games.

[spiral lintel]

is there a consenus best version of this deck right now

[tawny ember]

which one? jive or regular spd?

[spiral lintel]

Whichever one of those is better I guess

I like both

[short quiver]

zacho mentioned that jive is bait

screengrabs from the zach lab 😛

[short quiver]

This (as far as established data goes) is a very solid list

It was played a lot by ins4ne and it's the same list that will end up in the report tomorrow

(if nothing changes)

[spiral lintel]

i think thats the list ive got currently from Ko1ind stream

[short quiver]

Yeah it's the to-go "good" list that performs well

The meta is starting to adapt and play stompers and neophytes at high legend now 😦

[short quiver]

For me, this list has worked incredibly well, but I might also just have hit a lucky streak

[spiral lintel]

is ancestral knowledge not a mull too?

[short quiver]

https://www.hsguru.com/card-stats?archetype=Spell+Damage+Shaman&format=2&highlight_deck=11619255 more mull (and drawn wr) data 🙂

ancestral knowledge as a low mull wr

[tawny ember]

no wonder it’s bad in mull

you usually cast it after turn 3

[spiral lintel]

This is fun https://hsreplay.net/replay/mMdMPCvg5iL83boVPmCDpo will try to climb tomorrow. Really gets your mind working in terms of order and that

[fickle schooner]

Yeah Inzah doesn’t look too bad in top 1k stats atm

I still run him because I hate losing to warrior and Inzah helps so much in that MU

Deputy also seems better than other two drops now

Like against warrior I keep fizzle/Inzah in mull because they usually aren’t ratting you till after Brann or if you flash

Naga Dh I’m not sure how to play against that deck. Against normal shopper I just usually control them then win with value from a fizzle snapshot. But with Naga idk if I just need to try and otk asap

[short quiver]

Update on Jive sentiment:

Jive might not be a meme after all, just the early numbers were not impressive

[wise jay]

Basically yes. You have until they play Argus

Afterwards you die

[fickle schooner]

Yeah it doesn’t seem like a meme to me. Just that fizzle felt better

Jive can sometimes get under Warrior before they gain a lot of armor

Also none of the jive lists run altered chord which seems way better in that list

[short quiver]

I'll ask about altered chord in the jive list

The suggested list does not run it

[vital pelican]

I think Golg is a card that Jive list should really look into

[cinder shell]

golg is great in any list

[vital pelican]

Jive is by far the best card in the Jives list, obviously. I think cutting 1 AK for Golg so you can tutor the best card in your deck is something worth trying

[short quiver]

Golg is my bro

[fickle schooner]

ya golg is legit

only feels bad in warrior

because against warrior my hand size is an issue

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 8340
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 1x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) Inzah
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11794575

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11794575

[fickle schooner]

I'm doing this list for today

I really like running x1 location and inzah

[cinder shell]

location is very interesting

[short quiver]

Running 1 feels correct so far

[fickle schooner]

1x I think has looked good. x2 I think is overkill

[cinder shell]

idk might be one of those from the depths situations

[short quiver]

I'm not sure on Inzah, if you can play him on curve / for 4 mana is feels great, but finding it later (and in non warrior mu's) sucks a bit

[cinder shell]

but hand space is an issue

[fickle schooner]

Inzah is just a really good card into warrior

[short quiver]

I like that you can delay the second draw for your flash turn

[fickle schooner]

yeah also you can location on your flash turn after you play all your pop up books

in case your snapshot has a zapper or something in it

if you don't need to draw a minion with the last charge

[vital pelican]

It's funny to see such a difference in winrate across very similar lists

Who knew that running Cactus over Panner and Wandmakers over 1 Card Grader and 1 Bass could transform a Tier 4 deck into a Tier S one

Goes to show how sample size is important

[fickle schooner]

ya card grader was always a lol inclusion

llike we have floriders...

I'd rather just run location to tutor the floriders to get Jive

than card grader

[vital pelican]

Just run Golg

[cinder shell]

ok so it seems weird

[vital pelican]

It tutors Jive too

[cinder shell]

but you have different mull targets

specifically cutter here

keeping cutter is reasonable, keeping card grader is not

[fickle schooner]

Yeah so in the better list, I think overdraft, elixirs, and maybe 1 conductivity are cuttable. also possible AK if you run golg

[vital pelican]

Well, Card grader is not reasonable in the mull nor in the deck

[cinder shell]

elixer, ak, 1 conductivvity look sus from data perspective

[fickle schooner]

ya I'd like running Golg and cutting AKs

[tawny ember]

nah 1 conduct is wrong

[fickle schooner]

Jive is just the best card you want

[tawny ember]

conduct can be comboed with other cards

[cinder shell]

yeah

but elixer just looks like bait

[fickle schooner]

ya I wonder against DH, do you just jive combo when you can

they cant really clear 3 rags

[vital pelican]

You probably do, if you can Crash + Jive I think you won the game

Well, you better have won the game, because you have 0 mana next turn

Can't even Overdraft

[cinder shell]

dh has traditionally had a hard time clearing large minions

red card is the best answer they've had in a while

it's not quite as effective against rag though, as it essentially has charge

[vital pelican]

Added Salesman too

[cinder shell]

did you ever consider tech

[vital pelican]

No because I win games without the weapon

[cinder shell]

idk I'd cut ak completely

you want other overloads from golg

[vital pelican]

You probably could do that

Flowriders get worse, but you could

[tawny ember]

naga dh doesn’t run red card i believe

[cinder shell]

no it doesn't

but it's also not that popular (yet)

something like only 1/10th of the shoppers run the naga package

[vital pelican]

I think I'd rather run Panner instead of Tech if you want to cut AK to improve Golg

[fickle schooner]

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 6940
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 1x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟦 2x (5) Altered Chord
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11795065

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11795065

[fickle schooner]

i was thinking this

not sure if panner better than wandmakers

also maybe chords alot worse without AK

but in this list chord is also nice for clearnig big minions on Jive turn

wandmakers can find overdraft or you just hard run 1. overdraft doesn't seem as bad with Jive since the combo gives it +6 DMG already

[cinder shell]

chord looks fine in the stats

[fickle schooner]

but I'd probably cut wandmakers for planners

[cinder shell]

one of the things it also does is you don't need to waste burn clearing early board

timed right with conductivity it's a unleash fel / arcanist situation

[fickle schooner]

ya

4 mana too

[cinder shell]

I like the comparison

[vital pelican]

Well, it's a Chord vs Elixir angle

[cinder shell]

I think it's definitely chord

[fickle schooner]

chord better into DH, elixir better for warrior

[cinder shell]

yeah

[vital pelican]

Mainly because you need something else to justify running Conductivity

[fickle schooner]

or just run a 1x conductivt

[vital pelican]

And yeah Elixirs are not popping in stats

[fickle schooner]

since reflex can find it too

[vital pelican]

I think going out of my way like cutting AKs and stuff so I can have a Jive tutor and then running only one Conductivity is a bit questionable

Specially if you cut discovers from Elixir

I'm down for Chord over Elixir, but I'd keep 2x Conductivity

[fickle schooner]

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 6940
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟦 1x (5) Altered Chord
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11795305

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11795305

[fickle schooner]

maybe this then

[vital pelican]

Sure, I had this mind. Very similar

Kept the 1 AK because it gets better if you run Chord

[cinder shell]

that looks fantastic

[fickle schooner]

ya i like your list

think that's real good

panners are decent in stats but idk I hate panners

they only really trade with Oscillators

[cinder shell]

Ugh now I’m going to have to log onto my computer to play HS like a nerd

Thanks for the

[fickle schooner]

does look like the perfect 30

[vital pelican]

I can't imagine not running Golg

[echo socket]

Anecdotally, jive lists I think have the surprise factor working for them. I was playing Reno warrior last night because I was sick of thinking to climb and got double flashed on 5 or something. So I just armored up thinking "good luck" (they hadn't fizzled). Then they dropped 3 rags on me and I didn't have bladestorm and I had no armor left for sanitize so...ugh I died. Whoops.

The other 30th pet card I've been trying playing around with in the fizzle lists is 1 audio amplifier.

[keen hound]

How do these decks work - i could work the old one - these new ones are a mystery to me

[fickle schooner]

yeah i had a shaman double flash me in the mirror and i was like uhhh if he cant kill me he loses. then they jived me without Jazz bass

it depends on the MU:
Against non armor control classes/mirrors you usually drawing and then flash and kill them.
Against armor control classes(really just warrior atm but sometimes mage/druid) you want to get a good snapshot and then in the OTK turn you also play snapshot.
Against aggro and normal shopper DH you usally are playing a more control style and using 1 flash early to wipe their board. Fizzle is more just to outvalue them.
Against HL DH you try to fizzle before they Kurtus your hand
Against Naga DH you pray

Big thing with the deck is managing your snapshot and knowing when to flash. Because of Reno and now stompers

[keen hound]

Thanks bro

[fickle schooner]

For mulligans its salesmen/draw cards. Against warrior I also keep fizzle. Against any aggro ill usually keep a flash. Can keep a flash into control it hink if you have good early plays

[short quiver]

I am loving the new brews!

Tonight, we Jive

[fickle schooner]

im 2-0 with this jive list so far. feels good in the mirror too

killed a warrior too even though my rag otk didnt finish them off

it was like t6 so they couldnt clear my whole board

Haz list working well

[vital pelican]

lol just OTKed a Warrior on 7 without Flash

[short quiver]

First game. I'm in love. He was at 70HP, absolutely disgusting

[fickle schooner]

im back to fizzle idk i went 3-4

[short quiver]

I'm 2-0 now

I should probably stop

[fickle schooner]

only reason i keep golg against DK

tyhey always do it

[tawny ember]

https://tenor.com/view/no-ragrets-no-regrets-fail-gif-4946750

same vibes

[fickle schooner]

I killed MrYagut at 61 EHP. He was Odyn Warrior

and i also fucked up my prev turn thought i had enough to play snapshot lol

and had dropped a zapper

[spiral lintel]

vod?

[spiral lintel]

never thought id prefer playing warrior than DH with this deck

[spiral lintel]

ran into my first speaker stomper druid at D2, wtf

[fickle schooner]

So VS list cuts elixirs for panners

I’ve also cut claw/overdraft for Inzah/1 location

[keen hound]

Can you share your list

[fickle schooner]

I can when I get home but it’s just the VS list with -2 panners, -1 overdraft, 1- weapon, for +2 elixirs, 1 location, Inzah

I just hate losing to warrior

I killed a warrior with 50 HP without flash cause of Inzah

Zach is saying cut elixirs for Panners

[echo socket]

Either I'm mulling wrong, running a bad list or just playing DH wrong because there's no way that feels 50/50

[fickle schooner]

Naga DH feels a lot harder

Than normal shopper

HL DH also rough

[short quiver]

I’ve been running haz jive build, I like it a lot

[wise jay]

That seems weird tbh

I know it’s data-backed

But I don’t understand how are you supposed to survive vs dhs without at least some form of guaranteed healing

[fickle schooner]

Clark is running fizzle in jive

I thought about it but not sure if it’s needed

[short quiver]

Yeah I think it’s based on norwis list

I don’t think it’s the way

[fickle schooner]

se ea lot of lists in shaman running x1 location

for MT lineups

[vital pelican]

Location does feel good to play

[fickle schooner]

ya I think at least 1 location is good

0 mana floriders and fish for fizzle

[vital pelican]

Unsure how strong it is, but Flowrider aside it's a better card draw than AK

LOL Habugabu is a jiver

What a champ

[fickle schooner]

ya there were a couple jivers

without Inzah its way better into warrior than fizzle

without fizzle running Inzah*

idk how it is in the shaman mirror though

this is the list ive been running:
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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 8340
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 1x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) Inzah
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11732403

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11732403

[fickle schooner]

might try the panners over elixirs just worried about DH

[lean stag]

just finished reading the report and am back here lol

I hope this isn't a dumb question, are the current decks harder than say, outcast dh or enrage warrior? those are the hardest decks I've piloted successfully

fwiw I've tried playing bio shaman before and I couldn't do it but I think I'm also a better player now than back then

[tawny ember]

i don’t think it’s a fair comparison since this deck is more apm demanding

but if you mean counting

i dunno, i guess so

[lean stag]

that's fair, was just thinking in terms of difficulty level

[vital pelican]

Yeah the Fizzle variant is for sure more apm heavy and probably higher skill ceiling too. But the Jive one is pretty chill to play

[lean stag]

I've never played an apm intensive deck

oh maybe miracle rogue?

that can get quite apm intense

I can play that

the graveyard turns

[tawny ember]

as for me i just go with gut feeling

it’s heavy apm mostly against warriors tho

or with an awful hand

[vital pelican]

You can also just play the Jive version if you're worried about misplaying too much

Being a jiver is way easier

[lean stag]

makes sense

and I've wanted to play jive for a long time

shaman has so many cool cards but even more bad cards lol

[vital pelican]

Yeah I think playing Jive is just a more fun deck to play

[tawny ember]

you can pull off jive combo even without flash

[vital pelican]

Yeah yesterday I even posted here

Dealt 40 to a warrior on 7 withot even playing Flash

43 to be precise

[tawny ember]

[lean stag]

ok I'm sold I'm gonna try the jive list

oh but there isn't really a way to play around stomper I suppose

like if the opponent has stomper in hand you just lose

[vital pelican]

Yeah people are starting to target Shaman with Stomper

If they Stomper you're kinda screwed. Golg into their Stomper is the only good play

[vital pelican]

But if you're not already far behind a Stomper isn't the end of the world

The last match that Norwish played on stream today he beat a Rogue that played 4 Stompers

[spiral lintel]

going to give the haz list a go today

I'm not sold on jive being strictly better yet but it does seem more fun and I'm sure the actual difference isn't too great that it matters

[spiral lintel]

man it feels good to jive a DH into a concede

[vital pelican]

Compared to mine the vS list cuts Chord for Panner

I guess also -1 Cactus for +1 AK but that isn't as important

Maybe its fine if Conductivities are mostly a dead card as long as you keep drawing. Pretend that they are your Geomancers and keep on panning

[fickle schooner]

there is way less data on Jive shaman I think

altered chords looks decent on d0nkey stats

[spiral lintel]

its nice against the window shopper 6/5

[short quiver]

I am playing GrayPirates jive shaman list, it feels very good

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 7360
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟦 2x (5) Altered Chord
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11730471

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11730471

[short quiver]

Almost getting back into top 1k with it

[short quiver]

no miracle salesmen, i do miss them on t1

[fickle schooner]

Yeah I did terrible last night with the Fizzle deck. Really not a deck to play tired I should have done the jive list which is easier to play

[short quiver]

yeah jiving is way more relaxing to play 🙂 back in top 1k with the list I posted, it feels strong

[fickle schooner]

there is way too much disruption now

tbh shaman doesnt need a nerf when it just gets shut down by some cards

[short quiver]

i saw many stompers too

And not sure if I agree, I don't want shaman to be nerfed but DH is also targetable and should still get a nerf for warping the whole meta around it

But yeah, it's crazy how hard certain cards can shut down the deck

[fickle schooner]

Yeah the meta feels too hostile for me to play shaman

had to swap off

[rustic crown]

Does anyone have a good video for the jive build? Im trying to learn it but nothing is working for me. Doesn't help that all i see is DH

[silver trench]

If ur seeing a lot of dh i would consider running altered chord

But I think it’s supposed to play very similar to the regular nature shaman lists

Jive is just some extra damage for when you do pull it off, instead of running fizzle like the other list

If there’s a tip I have for shaman in general, it’s that you shouldn’t be adverse spending burn early, like be willing to do stuff like bolting minions or popup booking for tempo, though don’t go overboard if you need the burn soon, and it applies moreso to faster matchups like demon hunter than slower matchups like Reno warrior

[vital pelican]

Oh, in the Jive version you turbo tempo everything

Crash Punch Jive is already 30 dmg, you don't need to hoard resources

[echo socket]

Masters tour needs to end so every deck isn't inspired to run stompers for "reasons"

[fickle schooner]

Ya so many stompers

I played a mirror and the other shaman was running stompers lol

[tawny ember]

wtf

[short quiver]

okay maybe you are right about the meta being too hostile, my last 3 games I got rolled by stomper EVERY game

It was also one of those, virus rogue -> zilli on curve, plague DK -> helya on curve, zarimi priest -> zarimi on curve + added stomper in zarimi turn kinda games

the universe wants me to delete the deck

queueing one more game out of frustration, umbral on 2 could be added to the list

(with 1 mana 6/5 bassist + 1/1 mag ofc)

Sorry for using this thread as #salt-mine

I'll vent there instead 😛

[wise jay]

I mean, helya is always played on 4

[fickle schooner]

So post nerf the decks to prolly gear for are Zarimi priest, pain lock, and warrior

I wonder if Jive list becomes the better one without DH

I imagine the non jive list might even want to run x2 spirit claws depending on the priest level

[wise jay]

I hope not

Burn version is more fun imo

But I think lightning storm might be the card to run vs priests

Thinking about it more, I think panners should be fine

Priests can’t heal

And the faster you draw, the faster you kill them

[vital pelican]

I'm liking the Panners a lot, yes

[wise jay]

The only potential problem is the handspace

But it’s a nice issue to have

[vital pelican]

I'm flerting with the idea of running 1 Overdraft in that vS Jive list

Cutting the 1 off Cactus Cutter for it

Because with 2x Panner I felt like I had enough draw

And even though Overdraft isn't exactly strong in Spell Damage lists, it may be pretty good in Jive

[fickle schooner]

It does make it so you can jive without otk and not skip your whole next turn

[fickle schooner]

for today I think also running x1 chord isn't bad

ramsey running that right now he cut salesmen

Habu I think also ran x1 conductivity

[short quiver]

I like the overdraft in jive a lot

Not sure about fizzle in it

[vital pelican]

I think Fizzle in Jive is a bit overboard. Seems like you're targetting Warrior way too hard and losing precious % vs everything else

[fickle schooner]

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 7180
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 1x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 1x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11886163

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11886163

[fickle schooner]

ya something like this

for opst DH nerf

i think pre dh nerf cutting cutter for 1 altered chord might be good

[short quiver]

I like 2x conductivity

especially when we run chords

But your list looks like a good post-nerf option

i think with DH being nerfed, warrior loses a strong matchup, which will cause them to lose some %. Less warriors + less DH means more breathing room for aggro

So it might end up being chord after all, let's see

I'm getting less convinced of the overdraft, it's honestly insane after your jive combo but other than that... It's not great, just tradeable fodder

The stats confirm this

I have only been playing the jive build since last week, it feels easier to pilot and the combo is more flashy

[tawny ember]

i still prefer elixir over chord

mainly because i like the value and hate losing to warriors

[short quiver]

chord just is so nutty with conductivity, if you don't run that im also all on elixir

[chilly bronze]

When the xpac came out and the "meta" deck of this costed like 1k dust (just using it as a time reference point), this deck was working very well for me but since the gift changed, both the fizzle and jive stuff doesnt click at all and my performance is suboptimal on them

Maybe i need to change my approach on how im playing them

[short quiver]

The deck (both jive and fizzle) was played by multiple players during the MT, rewatching some of their games could give you a nice idea of how to pilot the deck

It's not the easiest deck to pilot, knowing when to go in with flash and when to use your spells for removal or burn is one of the skills that makes the deck interesting (and harder)

[short quiver]

I would say that the Jive list is a bit easier to play, as you don't have to worry about timing your fizzle

[spiral lintel]

im weirdly the opposite, i find the non jive way easier to play. Can't seem to wrap my head around the mana cost of conduct + jive and discounting it etc. Non-jive i can just jam spells

it feels way cooler to triple rag lethal though

[cinder shell]

I think it would be interesting to try forest with only inzah and flow riders

[vital pelican]

Elixir is bad against Warrior. You're better off with Fizzle or just running more draw

[pallid sand]

pre-nerf one was much easier to pilot tbh

fizzle list might be even more difficult than old bio one

[fickle schooner]

Yeah hard to tell how good inzah is in the jive liost

i think theres one list ramses runs that says anture shaman but no jive that runs inzah

where inzah looks good

The d0nkey nature shaman archetye seems to include nature shaman as anythingwithout kobold, i imagine there will be a jive archetype at some point

[wise jay]

Unless the meta slows down significantly, I don’t really see a reason to run inzah

Tobyka basically lost twice because of it

[fickle schooner]

Ya inzah is moreso warrior tech

and control tech

the one plus is if everyone is running stompers, you can kill without telegraphing with flash

ive killed warriors with 50 HP with no flash but inzah down

but the meta is going to have painlock/zarimi so inzah feels too slow atm

[echo socket]

Not just stompers, razor scale too. Meta clearly hates nature shaman.

[short quiver]

Yeah, it's a "fuck your deck in particular" meta

[short quiver]

they nerfed conductivity 😒

so it doesn't hit stealth or elusive minions anymore

https://twitter.com/hsdecktech/status/1780322143689220099

Nicholas “DeckTech” Weiss (@hsdecktech) on X

Hey all, this was a rules update we missed in the initial notes. Just added to the English notes, will add to the other languages as soon as loc gets back. Sorry for the confusion.

Twitter · Apr 16, 2024, 7:47 PM

[tawny ember]

wait what?

[short quiver]

Yeah it sucks, it mattered in multiple games I played after the patch

[tawny ember]

damn now we can only clear them with aoe?

ig only rogue has stealth/elusive minions now

and 6 drop priest’s dragon with mini but very few lists run them

and level 3 excavate beast as well

[wise jay]

So many stompers

I think shaman may need to wait for a bit

[short quiver]

After the patch my jive list has not felt all that great to me, maybe cognitive bias because of the conductivity nerf

It's probably not optimal yet, the healing cards can be tuned down a bit

I have won a few times with this lean fizzle list, i took away the healing because there are no DH's anymore that we need to outheal

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6720
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 1x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟦 1x (4) Speaker Stomper
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11933486

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11933486

[short quiver]

The 1x stomper has mattered in 0 games, it can easily be something else

[fickle schooner]

Yeah if you see decent amount of priests spirit claws could be good

[short quiver]

ooh spirit claws is a good suggestion, forgot about that one 🙂

[spiral lintel]

I felt so guilty for this https://hsreplay.net/uploads/upload/4jUHD8oRuN8SC9Lip7cswR/?utm_source=hdt&utm_medium=client&utm_campaign=replay

skip to last turn

[short quiver]

Lol

rag chose violence

[short quiver]

Raichu, your suggestion works wonders!

Getting up there

Trackerless fizzle nature shaman is a good brain exercise

[whole sapphire]

So guys, just tell me which the most „universal” declist i should use today?

[fickle schooner]

nice!

I kindof feel Jive is better now than spell DMG shaman

you win the mirror usually too if you get jazz bass early

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 7180
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 1x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 1x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBpegBMjQBY31BbONBumVBr+eBgzq5wP5nwSdxQXE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWFjgbOnAacngbmngaopwYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11886163

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11886163

[fickle schooner]

been running this list

cut cutter for x1 cond if you dont like running just 1

also debating cutting thalnos

just hasn't really felt needed

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5620
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 1x (2) Conductivity
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBMjQBY31BemVBr+eBg3q5wP5nwSdxQXE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQaFjgbOnAacngbmngaopwYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11957562

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11957562

[fickle schooner]

probably will run this today

[short quiver]

if you are not running elixir or chord then running 1 conductivity is probably enough

I like thalnos

how have panners felt? Havent run them in a while

[fickle schooner]

ive liked them

having panners/totems on 2 is really nice

[hard imp]

It's cool but salesman is in every deck so sometimes we just cry tbh

[vital pelican]

I mean, Salesman is in your deck too so you can contest theirs

[fickle schooner]

so many odyn warriors ive had to put in fizzle

[vital pelican]

Really? In the last 30 matches I faced 1 Warrior

So far the meta seems to be Warlock Priest and Shaman

DK too

[fickle schooner]

well i faced 3 odyns in a row then havent seen any warrior in next 5 lol

so ya idk

[fickle schooner]

So far today I haven’t missed Thalnos

[spiral lintel]

i think i really dislike ancestral knowledge

[short quiver]

I am trying your latest list, -1x panner + 1x thalnos

i just like having more spell dmg dudes

[short quiver]

So many stompers today again, lol

im having more luck with my non jive list right now

[pallid sand]

what's the list? the one without inzah?

[short quiver]

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6660
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 1x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
AAECAaoIBqOfBJegBKzRBY31BaSnBpTmBgzq5wP5nwTE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQaFjgbrmAacngbmngaopwYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11972040

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11972040

[short quiver]

But tbf, some games you just get stomped

almost every deck I encounter runs them now

[short quiver]

Lord, I have played 0 games today where I didn't get stompered

The meta is so hostile towards decks that play spells right now

[fickle schooner]

ya dont nerf shaman with stompers in meta

[fickle schooner]

I think the non jive list probably better with how many rainbow dks there are

But jive list just so fun and easier on mobile since don’t need to remember snapshot

At top 1k nature shaman was ahead of spell dmg but now it’s behind. I think 40% of my MUs there have been DK

[spiral lintel]

They’ll still nerf, always hit these OTK decks when the player base complains. I agree it’s easily countered and shouldn’t be though

[short quiver]

Wandmakers are making a return, the stats look very good for them: link

trying them out this morning for a few games, didn't play during the weekend

With all the stomper BS it feels quite good to have a lot of small dudes to play on curve

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6700
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 1x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (2) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟦 1x (4) Speaker Stomper
# ⬜ 2x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12025150

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12025150

[short quiver]

Also re-added 1x stomper, it's just very good in the current meta (and I hate it)

now top 800 EU with this, it feels decent

(and I had the luck of running into 2 warlocks this morning, one conceded immediately after I coined needlerock totem on t1)

[chilly bronze]

he couldnt handle it

[cinder shell]

coin totem ends it

[short quiver]

I swapped Stomper with a kobold for more spell dmg consistency, I think that's the list guys

Stomper was decent

But a few games I wished he was a spell dmg dude

And that's the main gameplan after all

[short quiver]

closing in on top 500

[short quiver]

playing the last games with the deck feels bittersweet, it was a good time

curious what the nerfs are gonna do

[tawny ember]

I expect the worst
another deck deletion

carry on

[pallid sand]

i mean, we had lotta time to play it since 1st of August

but still it's sad to see it go

probs my favourite deck ever

[wise jay]

Judging by the devs comments, I’d expect 2 minion piles against each other meta

But yeah, this and bio version were really cool decks

Shame to see them gone

[keen vine]

we might be alive

[fickle schooner]

ya idk if we dead with these changes

[vital pelican]

Exactly. Specially since everything else got nerfed too

[pallid sand]

we kinda ballin’

[vital pelican]

Nothing really changes in the build too, so the deck is already pretty much refined

Since you probably still run Salesman

[fickle schooner]

ya i think its fine

also depends on how popular warrior is post meta

Which i feel losing some of its worst MU will spike even with boomboss

[cinder shell]

I don’t play the deck much, but one turn set back killed the deck before (bio nerf)

[vital pelican]

But everything got set back a turn lol

[fickle schooner]

shaman came back eventually even with bio nerf

i think it will depend whats meta

the deck will be significantly worse into like hunter

potentially have to run Volcanoes or something

If Cycle Odytn warrior is gone though that would be huge

that deck had sanitize nerfed and cant run reno now

[vital pelican]

It's not like you are actually set back a turn like with the Bio nerf

Your setup turn is clearly weaker, but you can still pop off on 5~6

[fickle schooner]

i think wandmakers also become a lot better

getting more free nature spells to help reduce crash

[vital pelican]

40% of the pool is not a Nature spell though

[fickle schooner]

true

maybe you still dont run it

[short quiver]

Im very positive

[wise jay]

Yeah, I expected much worse

[short quiver]

But let’s see how it is first and how the meta feels

[wise jay]

Salesman is probably a cut now?

[fickle schooner]

ya

[short quiver]

With crash and flash being more expensive I think having a t1 play is useful, not sure if it should be salesman

[wise jay]

The problem with salesman now is that it clogs up too much handspace

And you can’t just dump oils

[cinder shell]

Yeah I might cut salesman from zarimi because of hand clog

Nature shaman it’s even worse

[wise jay]

You just haven't realised the value of copying oil with pip

[cinder shell]

No I have

that's why I want to cut it

spending mana is so cringe

[echo socket]

I can't imagine this being playable. I know other decks got hit too but hunter was barely touched. Any board flood deck is gonna be even more problematic to deal with. And any slow deck can still gain armor or run stompers. I'm not optimistic.

The crash nerf IMO is likely the bigger of the 2 hits. I think if it was flash only it was fine.

Maybe there's another 1 Mana nature damage spell coming in the miniset. 😂

[wise jay]

If there are that many hunters, you can play volcano

Rgb dk is still a good mu

[fickle schooner]

if you dislike salesmen but want a 1 drop, could run glacial shard

crash nerf is real bad for aggro MUs

you could clear a 5 HP minions + 3 HP minions on t5 with Pop up + Crash

kindof ended it vs aggro

[short quiver]

True, aggro and board stuff just got a lot of breathing room

[tawny ember]

it’s agency meta now don’t forget

[short quiver]

Board tempo shaman is the future

Shaman got gutted so hard this year lol

[wise jay]

[[storm’s wrath]]

[empty mulch]

storm’s wrath (Other potential matches)

Storm's Wrath (View card and tokens)

[short quiver]

(Miracle salesman), shroomscavate, aftershocks, flash, crash, gift

[wise jay]

Judging by the games I’ve played so far the deck should be fine

[short quiver]

I’ll take it

I don’t know if we are jiving or fizzling

And also if we should run some anti aggro tools like volcano

[wise jay]

I do think that it’ll be much better once the meta settles down

So you know how to properly build the deck

[wise jay]

Yeah, if hunter is good then 2x volcano basically solos it

[short quiver]

Sweet sweet

[fickle schooner]

ya deck isn't dead at all lol

was trying to get egg hunter to work and fell down ranks and swapped to shaman and just went 4-0

[short quiver]

Damn dewd

Is salesman the only cut?

what list are you guys trying out?

[short quiver]

If we go the Jive route, this is probably the list:

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 7360
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟦 2x (5) Altered Chord
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11730471

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11730471

[fickle schooner]

well early d0nkey stats it looks a lot worse but maybe it will take time to adjust the deck

HL warriors are also everywhere

[fickle schooner]

And the crash nerf feels way worse than flash

[short quiver]

I'm trying a classic fizzle build now, without salesmen:
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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6960
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12107862

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12107862

[short quiver]

It's doing okay, but I haven't met any warriors with it yet!

[whole sapphire]

Any changes? After Warriors? 😎

[short quiver]

what do you mean 🙂 ? the deck i was playing is the one I posted above!

I am also hanging out in game with graypirate, he plays a nice jive list that is teched against warriors

[short quiver]

it's this one but -2x chord, + 1x fizzle, +1x elixir

the elixir could be something else too

something anti aggro probably

[tawny ember]

volcano or aftershocks?

[whole sapphire]

„It's doing okay, but I haven't met any warriors with it yet!” Kind of joke. I mean, that You could change sth becouse of playing vs Warriors

[wise jay]

Reno warrior is a 50/50 mu anyway

Nerfs didn’t really change anything there

[wise jay]

I couldn’t even kill hunter on turn 4, the deck is dead

[cinder shell]

don't want to be a negative nancy but jungle gym spiders does some good work there

frogs are so annoying on the aggro side

buy so much time

[fickle schooner]

did tha thunter just afk those turns

was it some egg hunter

[short quiver]

I think we should go the jive route in the current meta with all the warriors

When we add fizzle to the jive list it feels favored against them

[wise jay]

Musician into something into observer into saddle up

[fickle schooner]

So once HL warrior figures out to boomboss shaman even with 3 TNT it might be over

getting wrecked by that now

[wise jay]

That requires Reno warrior players to think

And it’s quite uncommon

[fickle schooner]

Think the deck is just not great in this meta despite what Zeddy and others say. It’s under 50% on d0nkey outside of top 1k and it’s dropping at 1k as the games slowly increase since no one is playing it. Crash to 6 really hurt the deck

[vital pelican]

Crash to 6 and Flash to 3 hurt the deck matchups vs Aggro too much

[fickle schooner]

yup

o zeddy tweeted out right after Theo lost to a shaman as HL paladin

[tawny ember]

not a good meta
aggro decks just get under you

[short quiver]

Yeah I have the same experience sadly

[fickle schooner]

Yeah podcast says Nature shaman for now is dead

I knwo some streamers said its still good but idk. Solary was a ban format too so it was good there

[wise jay]

Do we have the stats for the tournament? I’d assume most people banned warrior and I don’t really believe that warrior is the deck that’s holding nature shaman back

[cinder shell]

in the latest podcast ZachO mentions that one of the biggest challenges for nature shaman is actually crash being one turn too slow against hunter

[wise jay]

The problem is: you can include baking soda volcano to be better against hunters but it’s omega bad vs warriors

Especially with deputies in the deck

[fickle schooner]

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[empty mulch]

### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 7360
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11789233

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11789233

[fickle schooner]

pockets been playing this still

[short quiver]

yeah on twitter he claims that he's still winning and that the deck is broken

I wonder how he does it

[cinder shell]

heart of the cards

[wise jay]

He’s the best hs player itw, so that helps

Also I think that jazz bass into crash is a legit play vs hunters and priest

[fickle schooner]

Yeah tictac is doing well on owl Druid but he’s only around 50% into Warrior because of Brann dirty rat

So I like shaman combo better cause I hate losing to rat rng

[wise jay]

I have a roulette of Sunq warlock, Sunq Druid, jive shaman, zarimi priest and hunter

100% rat protection

[fickle schooner]

Yeah I'm on druid/warlock and going to add shaman

[fickle schooner]

ya i still think it sucks

unless you play like rogue

[short quiver]

Yeah too much aggressive stuff going on

Maybe pocket dodges them

He claims that book solos aggressive matchups

I don’t know what kind of opponents he’s facing

[fickle schooner]

i fell alot of ranks trying that Cutscene rogue

went like 1-10

[short quiver]

But I’m jealous

[fickle schooner]

so now im facing handbuff paladins

[short quiver]

Ouch

[fickle schooner]

just mostly aggro and some warrior

[short quiver]

Im handbuffing too, to hurt warriors

I feel a bit dirty

[keen vine]

I went 400->2400 with cutscene rogue lmao

[cinder shell]

Wait what is cut scene rogue? Is that weapon rogue?

[fickle schooner]

its the rogue with cover artist

that does a 30+ weapon otk

[keen vine]

*that gets ratted in 90% of games 😭

[wise jay]

I excluded shaman from my rotation

By far the worst performing deck

[short quiver]

I think pocket is an insane pilot and he got quite lucky with the deck

[fickle schooner]

I think there’s also less Aggro in his meta

[short quiver]

privileged top 50 players

[fickle schooner]

One thing I just thought was what about greedy partners

Lets us crash or golg on 5

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6600
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Greedy Partner
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12265711

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12265711

[fickle schooner]

Might add this to my rotation on climb

Panners might be wandmakers haven’t really looked at d0nkey stats yet

O wait I had deputies too cut those

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[empty mulch]

### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6660
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Greedy Partner
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 1x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12266001

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12266001

[fickle schooner]

Think this is what I’ll do

Can snapshot the coins too

[short quiver]

I remember that greedy partners were also part of the theory craft nature shaman list for the badlands

They were not that amazing if I remember correctly

But for the sake of getting our aoe online one turn earlier I think they are definitely worth trying

Really nice idea dude

[cinder shell]

Yeah the TC had dryscale and greedy

The idea was that greedy offset the bio nerf

[fickle schooner]

Yeah it wasn’t great then so we’ll see

I’ll try it when I get home

Gonna delete cutscene/shit rogue lol

Was trying bounty wrangle in that to do the poison turn one mana earlier and played wrangle with the 5 mana pirate

[echo socket]

I never felt greedy's rushed the combos though vs rushing golganeth or Inzah specifically since the coins clog your hand.

[fickle schooner]

Okay 4-1 so far 2-0 vs warrior

against warrior you sometimes want to be at 10 cards on the flash turn if you low on cards or they branned

so boomboss doesnt delete you

[short quiver]

are the greedy partners feeling good?

[fickle schooner]

so far yeah

actually getting them in the snapshot is funny

[fickle schooner]

Dropped panners for elixirs cause alot of hunters and burn warlocks

[fickle schooner]

It’s still bad

Just going to give up on it for now. It’s too hard trying to focus on warrior and also aggro

[fickle schooner]

in the meantime, I think J cooked the best combo rogue list

runs the 1/3 weapons so you can sometimes just get scorpion with Sonya dupes

[short quiver]

Too bad

I tried to jam a few games with nature shaman today (non-jive) and won, but only faced slow decks

What is the combo rogue list?

[whole sapphire]

What is the decklist? I tried different variations of thief, drilling etc and no one was satisfied

[tawny ember]

he is talking about sonya rogue not thief rogue

[whole sapphire]

I was talking about rogue decks in general smart guy.

[tawny ember]

yeah i’m smart
how do you know?

[short quiver]

it's the zero caps

the sama angle

[fickle schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466266867124797452/1235390846711500862/image.png?ex=663432e2&is=6632e162&hm=782f618cb1c98f63884e46b22d63a49fbee18af1e1389ab95f3b38fadeaeb5de&

[short quiver]

I might have found a new shaman deck

it's not nature apm, more tempo focused

it was cooked by graypirate and together we refined it a bit

not 100% sold on all choices

### Midrange Jive
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Pegasus
#
# 2x (1) Flowrider
# 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 2x (1) Overdraft
# 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 1x (2) Conductivity
# 2x (2) Jam Session
# 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer
# 2x (4) Sand Art Elemental
# 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# 
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# 
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

the 2x overdraft is a bit sus imo

but it saved our ass quite a few games

but the idea is: curve out, tempo good

use jive as a late game bomb

Use reflexes to save your ass or dig for lethal

and keep counting, plenty of moments you have lethal when you don't expect it

The jive was later included, the 1x conductivity, 1x jive, +1x overdraft were the latest additions

conductivity also works great with jam and trusty companion

they were 2x wandmaker + 1x leeroy first, could also try a zilli

[short quiver]

worldeight suggested totems, they could also work, but they could also be a little bit slow tempo wise

havent tried them yet

[fickle schooner]

Yeah just another good value shaman like kibler built last year I think?

Could work

Yeah I think you’d only want 1 overdraft

Maybe thorim

Wonder if scarab is worth it cause it can tutors frogs with trusty

[short quiver]

I tried scarabs, they are pretty decent

having a t1 play feels quite important because of the possible board buffs