Sludge Soup

[quartz shell]

For early drops/Trolley problem?

I guess soulfreeze is a cut too

[spiral lichen]

did we pinpoint the best one yet

the list i mean

[rare moat]

You saw Clark hellscream playing right?

That decks op

[spiral lichen]

yeah i did

but is that the best one we have

[summer phoenix]

He's streaming now. I have zero idea why 2 frackings +2 waste removers + 2 chaos.

[rare moat]

Just cut fracks for something you like

Or dont

It's working out very well for him

[rare moat]

I mean in my opinion yeah, it uses all of the cards that felt the most powerful in my experiments cooking sludge

He just went from low 200s to rank 97 in like 45 min jamming sludge

[quartz shell]

(can someone send a list real quick? I'm finding quite lost tbh)

[rare moat]

Sec

[quartz shell]

I guess I could wait for the report, but at the same time I want to sludge people ahah

Thanks!

[rare moat]

AAECAf0GAoCeBqOgBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXX+gXm/wWFjgaVlwaWlwaXlwaEngaioAaroAamqAYAAA==

[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4740
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 1x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
AAECAf0GAoCeBqOgBg7CCMfCBcjCBd3CBdf6Beb/BYWOBpWXBpaXBpeXBoSeBqKgBqugBqaoBgAA
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9971574

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9971574

[rare moat]

@quartz shell

[quartz shell]

Thank you!

[rare moat]

This is what Clark is wrecking with

See how you feel about it

[quartz shell]

Fracking doesn't look that bad

No horror sounds weird but at the same time it comes out quite late during my games

So I have mixed feelings

[rare moat]

Ik it looks sus but I always give a deck a few games with no changes just to get the feel for what it needs or if it actually needs anything

[quartz shell]

Nah tbh it looks clean to me

Maybe besides Monstrous Form

[rare moat]

Monstrous form is a really strong card

I was possibly one of the first to put it into my cooks, I've been jamming it forever

It's OP with forge

[cold sundial]

Yeah don’t sleep on form

[summer phoenix]

His justification for fracking (I think, paraphrasing) on stream was it more consistently gives him burst from deck sludges earlier for ramp druid...(I think).

TBH I think there's a lot of variations that can work, but also depends a bit on what you're seeing commonly in your pocket meta...the "core" of the deck is pretty sound though that mixing up some of the more marginal cards isn't the difference between tier S and unplayable...

[rotund oar]

yeah stops you from discarding crescendo, truly based

[rare moat]

That's what salesman is for actually lol

[jaunty slate]

I am playing the freeze card has it been confirmed that's it's bad

Becuz with so much damage I am dying quickly

[quartz shell]

More than that

Freezing doesn't do a single useful thing for the deck

[rare moat]

No data based comments on it so far but zacho likes the card. However the vs build has prioritized some tech cards over getting horror into the deck

[jaunty slate]

guess we will know tomorrow

[rare moat]

It's for sure gonna be a crazy card for control warlock mostly at some point next year

I'm sure control lock is possible right now but it's just not the ideal strategy to be controlling right now

[weary steppe]

Feels odd to be teching before some larger questions have been answered yet

[rare moat]

Well the prominent decks are narrow enough that we can use a couple cards that are normally not top 30 but good against the known best decks

Like before top legend you can run tentacle cuz it's good against paladin

[jaunty slate]

ttentacle?

[[tentacle]]

[pearl radish]

tentacle (Other potential matches)

Tentacle Tender (View card and tokens)

[jaunty slate]

ohh the 2 mana one

gotcha

[cold sundial]

The two drop can be tough for Aggro decks to race

[rotund oar]

i settled on basically this list -2 fracking +2 horror

[rotund oar]

ok -2 horrors +2 tentacles

not sure why i entered at 5k, but back to 1k now

[rotund oar]

Lol

Priest played automaton and coined light it burns on my 2/2 on turn 1

Then played silence and second light it burns on my 2/5 sludge

[glass gulch]

AAECAf0GAuWwBICeBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXO+gXX+gXm/wWFjgaVlwaWlwaXlwajoAaroAamqAYAAA==

[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6960
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# 🟨 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
AAECAf0GAuWwBICeBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXO+gXX+gXm/wWFjgaVlwaWlwaXlwajoAaroAamqAYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10001819

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10001819

[glass gulch]

feels like the list

[rare moat]

What did you cut for Finley

[glass gulch]

idk

I homebrewed it

[rare moat]

Ah ok

Missing gemtosser

[glass gulch]

oh yeah gemtosser is shit

[rare moat]

No way

[glass gulch]

it's like

idk

not a curve minion

[rare moat]

Yea not a tempo play

Except

[glass gulch]

ngl finley has felt bad

[rare moat]

Yea it is its a 3/2 thst does dmg

Finley is a very cool thought but.. when you pull it, suddenly you wish you had aggro cards

My list is actually -Finley -1× geode +2 gemtosser

And of course, ever the hater, I'm still considering cutting fatigue for better aggro support

[pearl radish]

bloodied knight (Other potential matches)

Bloodied Knight (View card and tokens)

[steep narwhal]

We did it guys

We beat hearthstone

[rare moat]

YOOO

WE DA BEST DECK

WE WON

[real blaze]

naga DH is back too it's beautiful

[jaunty slate]

nice

[steep narwhal]

really curious what ZachO list going to be

[rotund oar]

why are some people using finley

[steep narwhal]

i think to put sludges back in deck?

had someone do that to me

[glass gulch]

You put your hand sludges in deck and then play your remover/creation afterwards

It’s like extra reach sorta

[rotund oar]

i died on 6 to 0 board despite having 24 health on board and 25 health on face

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1023636764147077192.webp?size=48&name=Deadge&quality=lossless

[jaunty slate]

Yeah 6 is late

[rotund oar]

only saw like 3 DHs so far though

[jaunty slate]

They can kill u the

Wait for report to come dude

[rotund oar]

2 of them were the "big" version

[rotund oar]

for what?

[jaunty slate]

For Naga dh popularity to rise

Once everyone knows it's good

[glass gulch]

Anything but more mill druid

[rotund oar]

fake mill deck

i only play real mill decks like murloc rogue

[jaunty slate]

We are the meta breaker guys we did it

[rotund oar]

One card we are unimpressed with is Fracking. Fracking makes little sense anymore as it’s completely redundant.

no fracking gamers rise up

[glass gulch]

(Ignore the Finley)

[rotund oar]

ew, VS build has harp

[jaunty slate]

I think harps might be good vs rogue

[rotund oar]

i run both horrors and location right now

[steep narwhal]

might need harp with other sludge locks and DH potentially rising

[rotund oar]

just kill them first

or draw popgar

hm im probably going back to tram mechanic + guardian

just completely abandon horrors

[fresh oxide]

guardian feels worse thh

felt like a cracked card on reveals

but it always throws out your good cards instead of slimes

[rotund oar]

idk i didnt play it in a normal list

i played a full discard list to legend, felt good in it

like the 3 mana 2/5 taunt, 5 mana 7/7 discard, and soul barrage and all the other shit

[rotund oar]

just destroy a mana crystal instead

nothing in the deck except the firelands portal is over 4 mana right

[fresh oxide]

worse trogg tho!

[rotund oar]

sad VS didnt make one

does seem worse

[jaunty slate]

So which list are we favouring the suicide one or forge one

[rotund oar]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

wonder what you keep in mulligan

[jaunty slate]

In forge? U keep forge

[rotund oar]

full hard mull for it?

i sometimes keep trolley but might stop

[jaunty slate]

Idk I would keep 2/3/4

Ye ur Mulligan looks ok

I don't think u hard mull for forge

[steep narwhal]

i like the horror list so far

over the Forge of wills one

[jaunty slate]

Mee too

I simply like horror

It's fun fast and simple

[steep narwhal]

Feno hates that verison though

[rotund oar]

Just run both and cut harp

[rotund oar]

With forge you can copy your horrors

Dont you want more horrors

[jaunty slate]

Yes maybe u can have forge

[steep narwhal]

idk harp looked bad before, but theres a lot more mirrors so it doesnt feel as bad

[rotund oar]

Oh I'm not saying its bad, I just don't wanna play it myself

Not for the mirror at least

Just kill the mirror first

[rare moat]

Finally we stop fracking

[rotund oar]

Idk if its any good but I'd rather run tentacle over harp

[rare moat]

Yea the horror list does. It's a lower curve with heavy suicide tactics so harp is like the minimum healing required to survive your own cards

[rare moat]

Aye is that the one I posted?

[cold sundial]

I really like the forge list

that vs just posted

feels great

[rare moat]

I'm pretty interested in the horror version

It seems like an improvement to the pocket list

And I thought that list was cool because you kinda keep shooting face and hold them off

[rotund oar]

Yes did you forget lol

You asked me how it was winning against warrior

100% winrate

[rare moat]

Lit lol

[rotund oar]

Interested in refining full discard even though it doesn't seem as strong

[cold sundial]

yeah

why spend mana on cards

when you could get your dead for free

[rare moat]

I mean I can take another look over it considering the new info from vS

[rotund oar]

The discard payoffs straight up seem weaker than individual cards like monstrous form and gemtosser

And dont get activated if destroyed

[rare moat]

Yeah its not as impactful unless earlygame

[rotund oar]

Wondering if there's an angle

[rare moat]

Midgame it's bustado if you play a big dude thst hits 2 targets

[rotund oar]

Where you only discard sludges

And just run more discards like the 3/8 taunt

Maybe add fatigue package

[rare moat]

Well then you need to draw your wheels

Or ur stuck

[rotund oar]

Yeah no more sludge generators

At that point might as well play chadlock

[rare moat]

We pack tram mechanic for sure

But in discard you need to be hitting targets that do damage, so cutting furnace seems like the play

[rotund oar]

Speaking of destroyed

Does overdrawing cards

Not count as destroying?

[rare moat]

Yeah it's a burn

[rotund oar]

Should have made it count

[rare moat]

Not a big deal anyway

[rotund oar]

Then ok

does warlock even have that much draw

To OTK with burning

[rare moat]

We need disco targets that do damage. The rest of the cards should be playable for like 1 mana so we can get it out of hand

You gotta run geode

[rotund oar]

Is this the one deck where you run fracking over Firelands

[rare moat]

Seems kinda smart

[rotund oar]

yes I actually don't know the name of the warlock Firelands card

[rare moat]

Especially since you can out a sludge in hand

Making discard better

Like when you have st least 3 sludges on bottom

Something along these lines can theoretically make discarding more aggresssive

[steep narwhal]

some people running Darkhan in the forge of wills list, early stats on d0nkey arent bad

[rare moat]

What did they cut

[steep narwhal]

its not exact copy of VS list

though

[cold sundial]

yeah that's probably the @summer phoenix list

[steep narwhal]

it runs those disciples which i dont like

[rare moat]

Zach did leave the field open to continue refining lock

[steep narwhal]

yeah it doesnt look as good in overal sludge archetype on d0nkey

but maybe wasnt always in forge of wills lists

[rare moat]

I think the card choices in sludge on top of the well roundedness of the deck means you can adapt sludge to any meta

[steep narwhal]

i guess the forge of wills list more limited on draw

i was going to say just cut the fuel to try Dark'han

[rare moat]

I just don't like him because he costs 7

[steep narwhal]

ya

[rare moat]

Imagine ever pulling him

Feels bad

[steep narwhal]

with the limtied draw too in that deck you kindof want playable cards

each draw

[rare moat]

Yeah need some geodes

[spiral lichen]

so are we more team gloom or horror

[steep narwhal]

I like horror more

but forge could end up better idk

[spiral lichen]

just saw the article

[steep narwhal]

i like the draw in horror list

and playing horrors

i generally dislike decks that are more limited in draw and you top deck more

[spiral lichen]

i feel like horrors could be better in mirror

[rare moat]

I built early versions of sludge that were very similar to the forge version so I'm kinda biased for it

[spiral lichen]

and gloom version against others

[rare moat]

But horrors list is faster

[spiral lichen]

me too

[rare moat]

I mea lets be real turn 3 do nothing is wild

[spiral lichen]

yes

[steep narwhal]

one thing is though

if hteres more DH

forge of will list prolly better

since you can get a big taunt and stats

[spiral lichen]

tho im starting to geel the insanity might be overlooked

[steep narwhal]

ive done insantiy but

it loses hard to sludge

[spiral lichen]

seems better than its represented

[steep narwhal]

was better without sludgelock being so common

[rare moat]

I think the horror list can benefit from a bit more cooking. Maybe some soulfreeze, maybe some tentacle... I'll have to look at it

[steep narwhal]

like your t3 fatigue spell will b uff their cards too

[rare moat]

Freezing a board for a turn just denies the enemy board comeback for a turn

It's kinda nuts

[cold sundial]

problem with freeze is that it's super situational

really depends on the mus you see

obviously bad against druid

OK against rogue?

I feel like a lot of players at 1k play around cleave

[summer phoenix]

Ya darkhan is just over the top damage (and secondarily sustain) sometimes relevant in mirror

[rare moat]

You can't rly claim something is good or bad vs rogue, that deck is just a question mark

[spiral lichen]

will see about this because now we will get more of those

[spiral lichen]

that deck can be tier 3 or god tier

depending on the rolls

but its 50 50 overall

[rare moat]

But if you draw it before turn 5 you kinda lose

[rotund oar]

Tentacle > darkboi

[spiral lichen]

real but slaming it kills the tempo i guess

havent tried him tho

[rotund oar]

For burn drakthir is a joke vs Firelands portal

[rare moat]

I can understand darkhan in a more curved out build

It's sustain to go into sargeras

But in aggro imma pass on darko

[summer phoenix]

Ya this was far more midrange. Anecdotally it feels like an advantage in mirror due to the fact you aren't actively killing yourself.

[rare moat]

Yes, more pain is bad into the mirror

AND you're thinner on board health

Forge is the way to go bois

[summer phoenix]

I built initially modeled on Janos weird looking flex tape build from like a month back, cutting a few things.

[rare moat]

It's gooey out there and we need to make board health

Or go wide for decoys

[spiral lichen]

[summer phoenix]

I like trolley for targeted discard but hated it with crescendo

[rare moat]

I am gonna sound crazy but I STILL retain my stance against the fatigue cards

Too slow

I'm sure of it

[summer phoenix]

I dunno coin trolly on 2 is 6/6 in rush stats occasionally with upside and almost never with downside.

You're not crazy IMO with the mirror but don't be too loud because I want fatigue mirrors LOL

[spiral lichen]

if you dont get baritones off early

crescendks and crazedes aro so bad

[rotund oar]

Trolley into 7/7 is the new Dr. Boom

[summer phoenix]

What I will say is I think if you do lean into fatigue horror builds, you either do it or don't, don't half ass it by running harps. (just my 2cents)

[rare moat]

Not pulling baritones, but also, the crescendo dream is so inconsistent. Also since you can't dump crescendo you mess up trolley

I swear I could write an essay on why not to run fatigue stuff in sludgelock

[spiral lichen]

but crescendos are a need against pally

[rare moat]

One day they will listen to me

[spiral lichen]

since no defile

@rare moat spam zacho

he will listen for sure

[rare moat]

Tentacle is better and defile is a questionable idea

[summer phoenix]

I'm interested in monstrous form TBH but I wish it didn't clash with trolley a bit. Will probably experiment a bit tonight

[rare moat]

This is why we have 4 1drops

And some 2 drops

So that you can dump form

It's 3 burst that makes your thing stick

[spiral lichen]

me too monstrous feels really good

[rare moat]

Historically warlock does great when it has alot of 1 cost cards that do busted shjt for a big sacrifice

[summer phoenix]

Forge 3 into sludge + monstrous on 4 is build your own giant and sludge on wheels value to boot.

[spiral lichen]

i am positive warlock will be nuts after rotation

[rare moat]

Same

All the good cards were printed this year

[steep narwhal]

do you think theyll nerf sludge with the patch

i hgope they dont

[spiral lichen]

and they will definetely put more discard stuff in base set

[steep narwhal]

i figure theyll hit Pendant/Velarok

[spiral lichen]

@steep narwhal i dont think so

[rotund oar]

Idk I've been pleasantly surprised by it

I think its adequate

[spiral lichen]

the deck has clear counters

[rare moat]

No complaints really. Player sentiment remains that sludge is mid

[spiral lichen]

its not meta tyrant

[steep narwhal]

it should drop too if druid playrate goes down

i feel rogue/druid are way less fun losing to

Gain 20 armor and t3 velarok

[spiral lichen]

as someone said warlock is either omega busted and nerfed to oblivion or looked over

[rare moat]

But it is conceivable that our otk card gets moved to 7 eventually

[rotund oar]

https://vxtwitter.com/TonberryBleu/status/1750290525834375664

[spiral lichen]

you need like 3 sludges at least for ir to be really good

[rotund oar]

Check the replies there

[summer phoenix]

They "just" buffed sludge so I would doubt it.

[rotund oar]

[spiral lichen]

what do they say cant check now

[steep narwhal]

Yeah it feels way more fair

[summer phoenix]

Chaos is so conditional though. It's the card sludgelock needed but it still requires 6 Mana, setup and opponent can play around to some extent if they're proactive

[steep narwhal]

Forge of wills into waste is probably the only strong annoying play

[steep narwhal]

Rogue or Druid mains probably

[spiral lichen]

the dude thar said solitaire

[spiral lichen]

i mean its twitter not even surprised

[summer phoenix]

Nah rogue/druid don't care (they do their own broken things). It's 100 percent Reno warriors complaining.

[rotund oar]

I have never OTK'd with it

[spiral lichen]

cant wait for reno to be busted post rotation

[rotund oar]

Most I got was 4 sludges I think, only a handful of times

[spiral lichen]

their time is coming

not eorried about them

[rotund oar]

Usually 0-3 sludges

[spiral lichen]

i usually wait for it so i get fairly often to 4 5

[rotund oar]

Waste remover eats them first

[rare moat]

Seems like a low simmer to me rather than nerf-worthy attention levels

[rotund oar]

They're all the same to me

[rare moat]

I will say that everything about the deck seems unreasonable lol

[rotund oar]

I'm not gonna pretend to understand other people's complaints

When I don't understand my own

[rare moat]

It's held back from S tier because of how clunky it is. Cards are at the correct mana cost

[rotund oar]

Clunky?

[spiral lichen]

even then players seem to not give it a chance

its defo not a sponge deck

[rotund oar]

I've been playing miracle rogue until like the miniset

[rare moat]

Conflicting hand situations and low apm

[spiral lichen]

even if it was better than it is

[rotund oar]

Draka/graveyard feels too weak post miniset

[spiral lichen]

i doubt it would see play levels of rogue

[rotund oar]

Sludgelock is the only other deck I've felt like trying

Happy with it

[spiral lichen]

me too

[rotund oar]

I dont lime excavate rogue

[spiral lichen]

love the playstyle

[rotund oar]

Too much discover/burgle/RNG

Im a miracle gamer

[spiral lichen]

the other deck that drew me was reno shamy

[rotund oar]

Also Barnes/patches lol

[rare moat]

The priests are gonna be out rn to eat some 7/7s for 1 mana

[rotund oar]

Lol you need to see this

[rotund oar]

^

[rotund oar]

^

[rare moat]

Priests are gonna be mad when I play a 6/8

[rotund oar]

^

[rare moat]

Lol I remember that

[rotund oar]

Sludge was 5/3 with monstrous form

[rare moat]

They don't know how to play HS ig

[rotund oar]

But still silenced

Idk maybe they thought I didn't run 7/7s

[rare moat]

It's so juicy when they're forced to trade into your monstrous form

[rotund oar]

Idk I didn't hate it for automaton

They did have the hand to back it up

[spiral lichen]

priests maldinf makes me happy

ive been playing since 2016

hated it ever since

have never played priest

its still level 20 for me💀

[rare moat]

I got priest wins from shadow priest last april

Last year I mean before rotation

When shadow priest hit peak I was there for like 2 expansions prior, cooking and jamming it before it was cool

[spiral lichen]

no card gave me as much aneurism as the piss elemental

[rare moat]

Oh no

The fucking

I forgot

[spiral lichen]

the heal 8 one

[rare moat]

Like a free 6/7 taunt?

[spiral lichen]

yes

[rare moat]

Lightshower elemental

Shit was nasty

[steep narwhal]

yeah i hate priest

as you can see

[rare moat]

Was back in the implock days

[steep narwhal]

A lot of my wins were from original arena where Mage/Paladin/Rogue > Druid were

[spiral lichen]

infurietes me to this day

[rare moat]

I'm so glad to see that year rotate in 2 months

Because I'm still MALDING

Over MURLOCS

IN WARLOCK

Warlock is literally 5 sets rn

Like why is this class good

No wonder nobody believes, it's cuz we have 1 or 2 less expansions than everyone else

[spiral lichen]

murlocs in warlock is some malfunction in the matrix

whoever made that shit was not aligned

[spiral lichen]

real

[rare moat]

They were trying to mess up edgy class

And I got a bone to pick

[spiral lichen]

warlock was made for quiet kids that sit kn the back of a classroom

[rare moat]

I mean I can't say I wasn't that kid

But after rotation we will be one of the few classes with lots of options with 4 powerful sets

[spiral lichen]

i played wow before hs so i naturaly wwent to play warlock cause it was my second main

next to brewmaster monk

monk in hs when

[rare moat]

I'd jam that class

Waiting for the Magic number 12

[spiral lichen]

me too

always thought it would come to hs before dk

[rare moat]

I've never played wow so idk any of that

[spiral lichen]

cause dk was practicly in the game

with the lich king

[rare moat]

Frozen throne

[spiral lichen]

nowadays you dont miss out

havent played it since season 2 shadowlands

@rare moat yep

[rare moat]

Only 363 priest games? Congrats on 100% priest wr

[spiral lichen]

they have an evoker class now 💀

[rare moat]

A who what

[spiral lichen]

that shit gon get to the game over monk for sure

[spiral lichen]

some draconic magic and shit

[rare moat]

Nahhhh monk was in the tutorial

We gonna get monk

[spiral lichen]

basicly playable dragons

[spiral lichen]

prayge

[rare moat]

Just like DH was in the tutorial

[spiral lichen]

remember the time i tried to get a friend to play hs

and he raged because he couldnt beat illidan

[normal quail]

Monk sounds boring

[spiral lichen]

never played the game pasy that

[normal quail]

Evoker sounds badass

[spiral lichen]

yikes

[rare moat]

No way monk is gonna be boring

[spiral lichen]

monk would play similarly to priest i imagine

or warrior

[normal quail]

Monk is the lamest archetype in every video game ever

[rare moat]

It's probably gonna have sick weapons and handbuffs and whatever

Every video game ever was incompetent

[spiral lichen]

i am so biased towards mists of pandaria

the monk slander will not pass

[normal quail]

Would you rather have an evoker using Draconic magic and shit (idk I’ve never played wow) or some bald dude in a brown robe who punches stuff

[rare moat]

Evoker sounds like dragon druid

[spiral lichen]

because it is💀💀

[rare moat]

Oof

[spiral lichen]

monks in wow are drunkards

cant beat that

[normal quail]

Druid summons dragons it doesn’t use draconic magic

[rare moat]

Omg we need a drunken fist hero card

[spiral lichen]

drink straight spirit and light it on fire

[spiral lichen]

it is exaxtly that

[rare moat]

It would probably gives us the panda tribe that has the common theme of buffing your other pandas

[spiral lichen]

defo

but maybe not buffing but rather weaving minions

[rare moat]

Like tokens?

Swarmy?

[spiral lichen]

if they stick to wow theme they wont be tanky in a sense of armor

because its the only tank class with light armor

[rare moat]

Yeah because dodge

[spiral lichen]

yes like attack and go back to hand

and a lot of nature spells

[rare moat]

I can picture her now

Valeera saying "I must protect the wilds"

[spiral lichen]

they had monks in original wow 2

[spiral lichen]

there is a dude that would probably be the hero

he is called chen something

this dude

[rare moat]

Bro is a whole rogue portrait

[spiral lichen]

yeah blizz can hire me i got it all when they are ready

[rare moat]

Why is my hs updating

[spiral lichen]

patch?

[rare moat]

Oh I forgot the rogue thing

I gotta say, going so minion based seems like giving rogue too much chance to high roll you

I'm gonna focus on burn and discard lists

[spiral lichen]

i am waiting for that velarok nerf to dust his ass

[rare moat]

I was hype to try rogue before it was good

But when they made it too good I was instantly turned off

[spiral lichen]

the last i really liked rogue was all the poison stuff

and the shank

[rare moat]

I wanna play a rogue deck like from descent of dragons

That looks cool

[spiral lichen]

nothing will beat explorers league and uldum warlock for me

and darkmoon faire

[normal quail]

This is me and sludge now. I need a new challenge

[rare moat]

Disco sludge might be edgy enough for you

Insanity warlock is kinda background but good

[normal quail]

Yea insanity maybe

I’ve been trying dh but I can’t figure out how to win if you don’t draw sharpshooter

[rare moat]

I've got some control decks as well that have burn. Designed to counter paladin and Stat bomb decks like druid

[steep narwhal]

one of my friends is trying sherriff out in horror list and has been climibing some

[rare moat]

Or priest

[steep narwhal]

it lets you take out a big HP soaker so sludges hit face more

might cut tour guide and try it for a little

[rare moat]

Sheriff? Sorry I forgot the card

[steep narwhal]

the location if 20 hp or less

that makes minion go dormant for 3 turns

[normal quail]

Barrelbrim

That’s wacky

[rare moat]

Yeah that is a whacky idea

Lol

[steep narwhal]

ill run it just for the data

[rare moat]

I think spirit bomb is the way to get rid of soakers

[spiral lichen]

made myself a sandwich

time to conquer the ladder

[rare moat]

I think there's definitely something in control sludge lock

[cold sundial]

ok haters I'm going back to fano

forge list but add in another fuel and fano for the tossers

I've been landing fano on 8 almost every game

(that I draw it)

[summer phoenix]

Maybe we get battlemaster in core set for Handlock (with burn) vibes. (there's zero chance)

[rare moat]

They're literally never letting us play hand lock ever again

[normal quail]

You son of a bitch, I’m in.

What’s the list

[rare moat]

Confirmt discard is not strong enough

Moving on to cooking on the vs horror list

[cold sundial]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6240
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟨 1x (30) Fanottem, Lord of the Opera
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10009456

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10009456

[cold sundial]

VS forge list but we cut the gem tossers. Probably a mistake but fun if you like to draw your whole deck by 8-9

[west sparrow]

Whats considered the optimal list right now? I've been playing the Rafaam build, but he def feels clunky

Is it ever worth it to put reno in? You burn through your deck real fast anyway?

[cold sundial]

Reno doesn’t make sense

[west sparrow]

That's fair, just a passing thought I had about the deck

[cold sundial]

We draw through our deck, but we put a lot of copies of sludge at the bottom

It’s mostly because of cards like assistant

[west sparrow]

Ohhhhh, yeah that didn't even cross my mind lol

[cold sundial]

Yeah the instinct is good

Just not here

[west sparrow]

What's the consensus on imprisoned horror?

Thanks for the help and posting the OG list btw, I hit legend with an 85% win rate using the deck

[real blaze]

ive played a few of the variations and im back in on horrors

i dont know if thats the common build though

[spiral lichen]

i am still finding most success with clarks list

he cooked hard on it \

ive swapped fracking for 2 tentacles

[west sparrow]

I'm having trouble against Aggro Paladin, is that just a bad match up or am I just playing it wrong

Found it, I see that he cut tram mechanic, which is fair, never really felt like a good turn 1

Ohhh and monstrous form has good synergy with forge of wills

[rare moat]

Paladins rough matchup which is why sludge remains so good at high mmr

But if you are in an area very dense with paladin you can use tentacles, also mull for crescendo and trolley problem

I mean you dont wanna discard crescendo with trolley but you definitely wanna be able to use those cards sometime during the game

[cold sundial]

nice thing about the list is that it's kind of flexible

if I was seeing nothing paladin I'd definitely consider a defile

[rare moat]

Yea fr

[spiral lichen]

which list is best vs druid

[rare moat]

Minions

[spiral lichen]

clarks kinda struggling rn

[rare moat]

The forge one

Well maybe horror is the way lol

I'll be sorry to tell Clark if it is better

[spiral lichen]

me too

[west sparrow]

I thought about defile, I'm just second guessing it considering you're also fighting for board

I always play crescendo way too early and then they just drop muster for battle, I always forget that card is Standard

[rare moat]

Horror list is popping I just wrecked excavate paladin

[cold sundial]

For anyone joining the chat here are the three main lists

[pearl radish]

### Totem Shaman
# Cost: 9760
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Schooling
# ⬜ 2x (1) Totemic Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# 🟪 2x (2) Amalgam of the Deep
# ⬜ 2x (2) Anchored Totem
# ⬜ 2x (2) Carving Chisel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟨 1x (3) Grand Totem Eys'or
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 🟨 1x (4) The Stonewright
# ⬜ 2x (5) Bloodlust
# 🟨 1x (5) Rotgill
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# 🟦 2x (6) Thing from Below
# 🟪 2x (10) Gigantotem
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10010369

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10010369

[cold sundial]

Oops

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6000
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (1) Felstring Harp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 1x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10004822

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10004822

[cold sundial]

This first list is very aggressive. Get your horrors discounted quickly and focus on your early drops

This should be strong into most unrefined Druids, and other slow decks. It will contest board very well against Aggro, but be careful of getting too low

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4680
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 1x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10006163

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10006163

[cold sundial]

This list is much more focused on maximizing forge of wills. You can keep salesman, but forge is too important here to keep mechanic in the mull. You’ll likely lose early board contests that are easily swing back with a forge on a big minion on four

Monstrous form “soaks” damage. A strong play is forge of wills on three into wheels and form on four. The wheels will then survive to keep sludging

Both decks have huge finishers with creation at six, but don’t count on it as the only option

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[pearl radish]

### Insanity Warlock
# Cost: 7200
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (1) Chaotic Consumption
# 🟪 2x (1) Felstring Harp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# ⬜ 2x (1) Glacial Shard
# 🟦 2x (1) Soulfreeze
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Void Virtuoso
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# 🟦 2x (2) Defile
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Encroaching Insanity
# ⬜ 2x (3) Scourge Supplies
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# 🟨 1x (5) Lady Darkvein
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9987753

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9987753

[cold sundial]

The insanity list is much more focused on the combo of encroaching insanity on the token death rattles from lady dark vein

It’s a little more complicated, but if you like big combo finishes this can pack a lot of damage

There’s a lot of flexibility between the lists, but I think overall the consensus is that crescendo is too good to pass up the fatigue package without a compelling reason

[rare moat]

disrespected the sludge chat

[west sparrow]

Picking up the aggressive one, it feels really clunky when I get felstring harp and Imprisoned horror in the same hand

[west sparrow]

true

[rare moat]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 5400
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 1x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10010153

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10010153

[rare moat]

Deck good

Just got legend

I tried to amalgamate the 2 vS decks and it turned out smooth. I feel like I'm close here. Perfect 28 I'm sure

[rotund oar]

You think people have that much self control?

Nah just run Finley to toss the harp back in the deck

I wonder how many games I've lost because I held off on trading oil (while sludges were at bottom), thinking it shuffled deck

[rotund oar]

Yeah exactly what I was running before the report

Except how do you have space for a second geode

I dont see what you cut for it

Oh you cut 1 gemtosser for 1 geode

I think I like gloomstones over horrors because taunt and comes down reliably on 4

Horrors feel too late for any matchup if you go half in

[rare moat]

Horror isn't really the point of the deck it's more like an accessory, they become free minions do you can dump them

[rotund oar]

Yep that's how I was playing them

They were ok

[rare moat]

If you want gloomstone it goes in trolleys spot

Depends on your mmr

[rotund oar]

I'm not cutting my Dr. Boom curve

Trolley into 7/7

[rare moat]

Nether am I

But it's a little less important to run extra targets for forge since you have monstrous

[rotund oar]

I like it for the taunt, vs aggro decks, since 0 healing outside poop anyway

Helps race without healing

No harp gaming

[rare moat]

So what do you cut from this for the gloom

Oh right the horrors

[rotund oar]

No idea lol

Yeah I personally abandoned horrors

[rare moat]

This was meant to incorporate the gamelan of the horror build into the forge build

It's a why not both angle for sure

[rotund oar]

But I meant even for a full self damage list, I'd personally wanna try tentacle+gloom over harp

[rare moat]

Horror good

[rotund oar]

Yep I know, that's what I wanted to do too

But I abandoned horrors now

[rare moat]

Horror is probably better than support for another card

So I think horror is one of the cards you start with in your deck, and then build around

When you make your tempo that dense it pays off

I'm also gonna try cutting salesman for tour guide

Cycle makes horror better

[rotund oar]

Guess we'll find out next report

[rotund oar]

Yes

Weren't you going to cut fatigue package and go full discard btw

I remember you mentioning you didn't like fatigue

[rare moat]

Discard isn't strong enough anymore

There's alot of healing and you don't burst hard enough

You gotta put creation in the deck and then at that point there's no reason being a discard deck

You just switch to tempo, forge, horror

[rotund oar]

Yeah felt the same

[steep narwhal]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6120
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟨 1x (7) Dar'Khan Drathir
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10017168

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10017168

[steep narwhal]

been trying this

[cold sundial]

looks solid

[rare moat]

Can't go wrong with it

[rare moat]

I'm facing so much paladin and can't keep up with the minion spam

Imma have to..... tech

Idek

The only answer card is kinda defile but then

Ur running defile so like

U right

What's the play into paladin tho

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Rip donkey

Was gonna post my list rn but like

Yeah usually I play big dudes and have a nutty early game but they make 4 small things with divine shield so spamming sludge and swinging hard is useless

I can hit maybe 3 times a turn which is removing 1 or 2 minions for the 2 or 3 theyre making every turn

[spiral lichen]

go for gloomstones

a

and play for turn 4

[rare moat]

I do go gloomstone

Then they play one of the aura cards

And suddenly their board is doing 20 dmg

[spiral lichen]

maybe add tentacles

[rare moat]

Maybe I'm just having bad luck rn

Yeah I'll probably try those

[spiral lichen]

that is very good into pally

[rotund oar]

Just climb to 1k where there's no paladongers

[rare moat]

Breh this is what I'm trying to do lol I'm getting alot of annoying bs rn but the bs happens to be my worst matchups

[west sparrow]

Shuffling Oil DOESN'T move sludges on the bottom?

[west sparrow]

Okay, I thought it was shuffling it into your deck, I guess it more just places it in a random spot

[rare moat]

Interesting find for the trade discussion:

Sometimes I put 3 or more sludges on the bottom of my deck, then trade snake oil and find a card that isn't sludge

However when I play remover afterwards, it burns snake oil

This means the snake oil didn't trade places with that card. It drew me a random card from the deck, and then got placed randomly into the deck.

OR this could just be because the arrangement of the cards in your deck is not done, except for when something must be at the bottom or top or you use order in the court

Or polkelt

It's possible that the "trade" mechanic uses the same action as just a simple pull a card. This would be disproven if anyone here has found a sludge from trading a card so lmk

[summer phoenix]

If you trade the snake oil, yes there's a possibility it will insert in the bottom 3 spots in your deck, so you could burn 2 sludges + snake oil off the bottom vs 3 sludges. Something to be aware of if you really really want to be sure you hit all sludges

[steel nexus]

Trade draws a card then places the traded card at a random spot

[rotund oar]

I also heard enemy using steamcleaner on you to destroy sludges doesn't proc them lol

[spiral lichen]

steamcleaner destroys and procs sludges

so that card does nothing

[rotund oar]

Enemy steamcleaner?

Behaves differently from friendly steamcleaner according to a post I saw

Blizzard paragon of consistency as usual if true

Hm I found the post

Seems like Hat tested it and debunked the claim, good

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/18nq52e/playeddiscarded_or_destroyed_mechanically_broken/kecvns6/

[spiral lichen]

yes

happened to me against warrior

he almost killed himself with it

[spiral lichen]

does anyone else think the insanity list will be better after nerfs

[cold sundial]

I think the insanity list could use horror

[spiral lichen]

horror propaganda is strong here

i mean card is not bad

i just think its not as special as people portray it

[rare moat]

I'm starting to see where it goes wrong after alot of testing

As for as pain cards go, you're prioritizing fatigue which is a slow way to make horror free

And when it's in hand at 5+ mana, it's rough

Really bricks hand

Plus, running all this extra pain is ultra suicide

Feelsbadman

[cold sundial]

yeah but with insanity aren't we playing insanity on curve generally

so it's pretty likely we've taken 7 damage or so

idk maybe it's still not discounted enough

[real blaze]

that was my experience but i only played like 10 games of the list

i consistently took enough self damage early that i was like wow it seems like horror would be pretty good

[spiral lichen]

maybe i just drew i early most of the time

[steep narwhal]

I’ve ran horror in insanity

Problem is slide lock farms you

[quartz shell]

My main gripe with insanity lists is literally Darkvein

No way I'm crafting that 2 months from rotation

Also Gloomstone feels so weird in sludge lists

It's clunky af

[rare moat]

I think this is just for the forge list to make forge better

But in the event that we come up with a list with more consistent discard targets, gloom will be there too

[steel nexus]

You just gotta learn not to mind the downside

[jaunty slate]

the "downside" "good" players make it into a "upside"

[steel nexus]

It's nice when you can

But accepting that you just discard two (or even destroy) is better than waiting for the opportunity to turn it into an upside

[cold sundial]

I am liking spinley in the forge deck, mostly due to tram mechanics

[jaunty slate]

gib ur deck

[cold sundial]

I cut gemtossers from the vs list, probably a mistake

I only really found them useful against Paladin

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6240
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# 🟨 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
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https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9986431

[cold sundial]

I’m pretty sure there is a core of 22 cards or so and a lot of side grades after that

But I like forge, and want to play gloom even if it’s bad

[steel nexus]

I'm not a fan of cutting tosser

[cold sundial]

If anything I think double tosser and astalor would be good

But not in the forge list

[steel nexus]

Astalor seems slow

[cold sundial]

It’s an 8/8 gem tosser

[rare moat]

No no astalor is a cook

It allows you some scale

[cold sundial]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6880
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# ⬜ 1x (2) Bloodsail Raider
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10064770

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10064770

[rare moat]

Damn, astalor and horror

[cold sundial]

Yeah

5/5 good in the mirror

Annoying to deal with

[rare moat]

Yea for sure

[cold sundial]

Wtf raider

Wrong deck code

Ok that’s 31 cards not sure what happened there

Just ignore the raider

[rare moat]

[[Bloodsail raider]]

[pearl radish]

Bloodsail raider (Other potential matches)

Bloodsail Raider (View card and tokens)

[rare moat]

Bro she got bazoongas

[steel nexus]

Still slow

I don't wanna get to turn 10, nor spend 5 mana on the mid step

And if I'm playing it for 7 damage it's very meh compared to gem tosser

Can't spend mana on anything else that turn

[rare moat]

I think there is something to be said for having yet more redundant minions with respectable stats that do burn damage

[spiral lichen]

how does patch affect insanity

[rare moat]

That all depends on which decks are enabled after killing drood

[rare moat]

We gotta cook

For DH

[weary steppe]

Seems like Forge would be the way to go right now. Suicide would be...well...ya know...w/ an increase of Naga

[spiral lichen]

what should be the mulls for vs insanity deck

i broke down and made darkvein after all the dust i got

[rare moat]

ahem

Fat ass and tiddy cakes. Yes. We would not want pain cards

[spiral lichen]

early impressions of vs insanity list

you farm plague dk

[wide apex]

Forge list still the same as the one VS published?

[steel nexus]

That's i plan on playing

[wide apex]

Is monstrous form that good? Feels awkward, reliant on sticking minions + forge of wills, and clogs trolley problem discard

Also, there's gotta be a better card to include other than furnace fuel

[west sparrow]

any predictions on what sludge build is gonna be better

[rare moat]

It is clunky when you don't run 1 drops. That's why people usually run at least 4 of them and a couple 2 drops. But people are commonly cutting half the 1 drops which makes form very annoying to have in hand. But yes with forge it wins games

[spiral lichen]

welp today is not my day

insanity brought me frpm 3kish to 12

but its fun ill give it that

[spiral lichen]

update we are sooooo back from 12 to 7

enough for today

craft insanity guys

[wide apex]

what say we ditch furnace fuel for one more 1 drop

furnace fuel looks like shit anyways, I'd rather have another flame imp or something for consistency's sake

[rotund oar]

[[Vicious vrykul]]

[pearl radish]

Vicious vrykul (Other potential matches)

Victorious Vrykul (View card and tokens)

[rotund oar]

Infinite 1 drops

Easier to finale gemtosser

[cold sundial]

It’s never vrykul

[wide apex]

Current meta seems pretty hostile to sludgelock, I see a ton of dragon druids, jank warriors and Naga DHs

[cold sundial]

We should be favored into warrior, and I believe the naga DH MU is pretty even, really depends how quickly they can find sharp shooter

[wide apex]

The warrior MU definitely doesn't feel even, the answers are too efficient

Could be wrong though

Bladestorm is a near perfect counter to the forge combo, and aftershock nukes trams and conductor imps

Bellowing is well, bellowing, and it has good enough armor cards to survive pure sludge bursting

Agreed on the DH MU though, just brought it up since I saw it fairly frequently

[cold sundial]

From HSR the forge list is 50/50 into naga DH, 50/50 into boom boss warrior, and a big favorite into Reno Warrior 70/30

[wide apex]

Generic HL warrior I get, that one just sucks

But I'm surprised it's 50/50 against boomboss warrior considering 26/30 of their cards are just removal, card draw and armor

[vale summit]

ye i played 40 games trying to get the na legend climb done, and was cooking for the first half going 14-6 but by the end my score was 22-18

reno warrior is indeed free, but most people have moved off of it

i still feel like the boomboss warrior is a bit favored, but you really need to find all the sludge generators to kill them which can just not happen sometimes

[summer phoenix]

Boomboss is definitely an upgrade on "jank Brann warrior with sketchy removal" decks. Those were like 90/10 favorites. And that's probably being charitable.

[rare moat]

Matvey posted a list using sargeras

Just punish them for not running reno

[jaunty slate]

just for that matchup

or is it good elsewhere too?

[spiral lichen]

can you share it here

[cold sundial]

Boom Boss Warrior runs Reno

[rare moat]

@spiral lichen

[rare moat]

But do they run dupes

[summer phoenix]

Sargeras feels so irrelevant in a Reno world.

[rare moat]

Just use skill

As an aggro deck you should be able to make them use reno on 8

[summer phoenix]

Not saying it's unwinnable. It's just far closer to a 50/50 than the 90/10s we were used to seeing.

Reno isn't even playable on 8 for that deck nor does that deck need it for removal.

[jaunty slate]

can u post the boomboss warrior list somewhere i swear i aint gonna play it

[haughty lintel]

Oh my lord the trolley problem discards sludge

That is so damn cool

More importantly, sludges don’t care about armor. I had a guy with astalor on board with 6 + 6 health and the sludge all went face.

[rotund oar]

rip gemtossers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/831518558822465557.webp?size=48&name=pepepray&quality=lossless

[spiral lichen]

i would cut finley and astalor for 2 tossers

and that seems like such a good cook

[rare moat]

Who cares if the opponent is afk lol

[rare moat]

This is why it's a high skill deck

[cold sundial]

This is the most popular boom boss list btw AAECAQcG5bAEjLcE4qQF95cGr6gG0LAGDIagBImgBI7UBJDUBJzUBLT4BZD7BaH7BaT7BZyeBp+eBs+eBgAA

[pearl radish]

### Brann Warrior
# Cost: 11500
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Armor Vendor
# 🟪 2x (1) Shield Slam
# 🟨 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Slam
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# ⬜ 2x (2) Bash
# 🟪 2x (2) Bladestorm
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# ⬜ 2x (2) Shield Block
# 🟦 2x (2) Stoneskin Armorer
# ⬜ 2x (3) Acolyte of Pain
# 🟦 1x (3) From the Depths
# 🟦 2x (4) Aftershocks
# ⬜ 2x (4) Craftsman's Hammer
# 🟨 1x (6) Deepminer Brann
# 🟪 2x (6) Trial by Fire
# 🟨 1x (8) Boomboss Tho'grun
# 🟨 1x (8) Reno, Lone Ranger
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10002532

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[cold sundial]

Yes it’s full of dupes

Somehow my opponents always have the highlander rewards active with 8 or do cards in the deck

[summer phoenix]

Deck can draw crazy fast.

If they're close to exhausting deck and dying...can be useful holding sludges in hand/deck and using whatever other burst you have (gemtossers etc) to get them close enough that if they boomboss sometimes the sludges from hand/deck still kill them.

Plan A obviously kill them before that point though.

[real blaze]

hmm that boomboss list is kind of stupidly fun

[wide apex]

Aftershock + Acolyte is just a crazy combo for draw

They're surprisingly effective at deleting their own deck, and it enables them to run a whole bunch of cheap removal since card draw is a non issue

[cold sundial]

yeah just don't be too surprised if they reno

[rare moat]

Interesting shitty removal pile

Yea seems thrilling lol

[real blaze]

notice i didn't say thrilling, i said stupidly fun

odyn warrior is one of the few "control" decks that i enjoy though and i guess this is kinda similar

[rare moat]

Not smorc deck

[real blaze]

fair

[rare moat]

The good players are running some weird cards now

Apparently we like symphony and finley

And I'm here for it

[west sparrow]

Where's this finley symphony list? What's the use case for finley?

Makes sense, my worry with symphony is burning pieces of it, but I guess you can circumvent that with the sludge

Maybe Furnace Fuel goes into the finley list, and just put that to the bottom

[rancid pollen]

how to win rainbow dk 😦

[rare moat]

When you put alot of sludge in hand and play finley, it replaces the sludge with cards in your deck so it's also card draw effectively

[wide apex]

Same gameplan

Tokens are annoying, but you can still win by just smacking face

[steel nexus]

I wouldn't run those cards

[west sparrow]

I tried a list with them last night, the one time Finley felt good was when I had 2 snake oils, and a sludge in hand

[spare briar]

Sooo any chance we get a twist report this month?

Sorry #data-reaper got taken over so thought I'd come here

[wide apex]

Gotta say, either I'm trash or I'm not feeling the Tier S status of sludgelock

In top 500 at least

Probably still playing the deck wrong at times, but the meta still feels hostile around sludge, barely averaging 50%

[rancid pollen]

the matchup against warrior def isn't too great

and rainbow match up is also bad right?

[rancid pollen]

same list?

i should still be able to make it to legend with the old vs list right

[rotund oar]

Field seems heavily teched against it, many people are making adjustments like sargeras/symphony whatever

Also

Where are the horror truthers now

It was always forge

[rotund oar]

Speaking of

Lol poor guy getting downvoted for even asking

The pitchforks are coming

[cold sundial]

I feel like that was a reasonable question and response

Even if a deck has a higher win rate, we still dance close to 50/50 over a small sample size

Unless we can jam 100 games, or go on some kind of win streak

54 is very powerful in perspective, but we still lose favorable match ups 4/10 times

[summer phoenix]

Is rogue "actually" that bad now? Thunderbringer scams are still a thing.

[cold sundial]

Mech rogue looks tier one if you’re into that sort of deck

[summer phoenix]

I'm not. 🙂 But I lost to Jman playing that with Thunderbringer and to Jalex playing Thunderbringer Ogre rogue so... I'm biased to think Rogue isn't dead. 😂

[real blaze]

mech rogue with the same list?

[cold sundial]

yeah

super low sample size but what we do have, looks good into sludge, dk

[glass gulch]

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[pearl radish]

### Mech Rogue
# Cost: 12360
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (0) Preparation
# ⬜ 2x (1) Click-Clocker
# ⬜ 2x (1) Drone Deconstructor
# ⬜ 2x (1) Frequency Oscillator
# 🟦 2x (1) Gear Shift
# ⬜ 2x (2) From the Scrapheap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Invent-o-matic
# 🟦 2x (2) Pit Stop
# 🟦 2x (2) Serrated Bone Spike
# ⬜ 2x (3) Coppertail Snoop
# 🟨 1x (3) Mimiron, the Mastermind
# ⬜ 2x (3) SP-3Y3-D3R
# 🟪 2x (4) Scourge Illusionist
# 🟨 1x (5) Ini Stormcoil
# 🟨 1x (6) Crabatoa
# 🟨 1x (6) V-07-TR-0N Prime
# 🟨 1x (8) Thunderbringer
# 🟨 1x (10) Neptulon the Tidehunter
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https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10043145

[glass gulch]

I love barnes

[real blaze]

mech rogue enjoyers

[normal quail]

This is a mega scammy deck

[glass gulch]

I prefer the term "cultured"

[normal quail]

Haha

It’s great when it hits but when it flops it flops hard

Nothing like drawing thunderbringer on the same turn your illusionist dies

[glass gulch]

I don't think the thunderbringer package is very good in warrior meta anyways

since they kinda just ignore your illusionist and then reno

[normal quail]

Eh yeah but 4 turns is a long time to wait

With a 4/4 on the board

I guess if they’re smart they’d just armor up and not take the bait

[glass gulch]

yeah I mean even if they kill it it's not like they need to kill the thunderbringer either

[rotund oar]

[cold sundial]

Shellfish? Kraken?

[steep narwhal]

Did Guy put you up to that lol

[steep narwhal]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6120
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# 🟨 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10108839

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10108839

[steep narwhal]

Just went 22-8 on my legend climb with this

I actually really like finley now

[spiral lichen]

how do we feel on tome tampering in sludge

seems fun af to me

but not sure if it makes sense

[[tome tampering]]

[pearl radish]

tome tampering (Other potential matches)

Tome Tampering (View card and tokens)

[fallow idol]

anyone struggling immensely in the sludge vs paladin matchup?

[wide apex]

Not really, rogues have been kicking my ass way more ngl

The bubbles and tokens are annoying since they soak up sludges, but generally you can value trade against them with trolley and sludge on wheels

If you control them down they don't really have an answer to big beefy forge bodies either

[fallow idol]

I'm a believer

[west sparrow]

idk where we all stand on finley but its been helpful in the plague dk matchup

[fallow idol]

Definitely, taking plagues out and putting sludges down there is great. Think I was like 70% into DK on the climb.

[west sparrow]

I keep getting tilted by drawing my crescendos with trolley problem

[fallow idol]

I had much more success without the fatigue package, might be worth a shot if you’re trying that final climb

[west sparrow]

what did you replace the fatigue pack with?

[fallow idol]

Hang on I’ll find my code on mobile so will take a sec

Sludge Warlock

Class: Warlock

Format: Standard

Year of the Wolf

2x (1) Fracking

2x (1) Miracle Salesman

2x (1) Monstrous Form

1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide

2x (1) Tram Mechanic

1x (2) Defile

2x (2) Disposal Assistant

2x (3) Forge of Wills

2x (3) Furnace Fuel

2x (3) Sludge on Wheels

2x (3) Trolley Problem

2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian

1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid

1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer

2x (4) Waste Remover

1x (5) Symphony of Sins

2x (6) Chaos Creation

1x (9) Sargeras, the Destroyer

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To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Basically Finley Pozzik, Symphony, Sargeras

And the tram guy

Symphony doesn’t have great stats but I found so many lethals or conceded from the +6 to board hand deck

[rotund oar]

Discard defile instead of crescendo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/960772521286828102.gif?quality=lossless&size=48

[wide apex]

Trolley Problem being this anti-synergistic with monstrous and crescendo is annoying

But what'dya got otherwise, can't really cut anything

[rotund oar]

High skill card

Gotta weigh the tradeoffs

Isn't that what people wanted?

[west sparrow]

I'm chill with discarding crescendo in certain matchups, but it's always the games i need crescendo that I draw it on 3 with trolley problem Sadge

[cold sundial]

@summer phoenix the visionary with cult neophyte

I haven't watched must streaming lately, but it looks like ramp druid is getting farmed by cult on 5

[summer phoenix]

I pulled it when druid (briefly) disappeared but feels like you'd like it again. It helps that the 2 slot is a bit sparse. It's certainly passable as a utility card into warrior/rogue/naga DH as well.

I haven't played as much lately but feels like you could sub in 2 in VS list for maybe sarge and astalor?

[cold sundial]

Yeah both of those seem very slow

[rotund oar]

Gg gonna get nuked

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1023636764147077192.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[steep narwhal]

If it does get nukes insanity gets a lot better

[cold sundial]

Low key insanity is the more interesting deck

[jaunty slate]

eh

i liked sludgelock bit more

[cold sundial]

I’m not saying I like it more, just that it’s more interesting

[rotund oar]

I think you're more interesting

[cold sundial]

[spiral lichen]

how do we feel

[summer phoenix]

Better than I expected TBH. I think deck lives but I haven't played it yet.

Chaos nerf IMO will make warrior games even grindier to close and I expect lots of warriors.

[cold sundial]

monstrous form more important then ever

5/7 is still pretty big

[rare moat]

No no

Remover got buffed

No longer dies to the light it burns

[normal quail]

Done with sludge. Insanity time

[rare moat]

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I think pain sludge is the way

Pain helps shorten games because 8+ turns is pretty undesirable for sludge

So this way you're bringing your top end down below turn 6

[formal quest]

[[pain]]

[pearl radish]

pain (Other potential matches)

Queen of Pain (View card and tokens)

[jaunty slate]

I know deck is old but what's the correct build for this deck

[rare moat]

Sludge is asleep, I don't think people have refined the new version

Best you'll get is vS for now, otherwise its cooking stages

Custom Warlock

Class: Warlock

Format: Standard

Year of the Pegasus

2x (1) Flame Imp

1x (1) Miracle Salesman

2x (1) Monstrous Form

2x (1) Spirit Bomb

2x (2) Disposal Assistant

2x (2) Endgame

2x (3) Forge of Wills

2x (3) Malefic Rook

2x (3) Sludge on Wheels

2x (3) Trolley Problem

1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid

2x (4) Waste Remover

1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000

1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000

1x (2) Haywire Module

1x (2) Power Module

2x (5) Doomguard

1x (6) Chaos Creation

2x (9) Imprisoned Horror

2x (20) Molten Giant

What I have so far

The deck adds more to the tempo side of things

[rotund oar]

50 armor in 1 turn

[rare moat]

Good old tank up rank up

Sludge needs a complimentary aoe

Well it has one. But it needs another lol

[jaunty slate]

Sludge needs all its nerfs reverted