Sludge Soup

[rare moat]

It was good but these different iterations imo depend on your common matchups

[normal quail]

Just seems like if you have a bunch of big guys in your deck you want forge

[rare moat]

Yeah

The thinking was, we wanna run chaos creation

As much damage as it is, it helps keep up your tempo

Like big time

You're dropping these dudes nonstop. Gloomstone, remover, creation

I feel like I'd rather not spend 3 mana of downtime

[normal quail]

Yeah this is fair and a reason why I didn’t run it in my fatigue deck

Just want to make sure you have enough 1-3 drops to be maximing the pressure on turn 3

So maybe keeping flame imp is a good idea

So if we take out forge and monstrous form we have room for geode and gloomstone

And then take out either a soul barrage or imprisoned horror for chaos

That may be my starter deck tomorrow

See how it runs

[rare moat]

Well we have 4 3-drops

And I think I want my pain cards to be spirit bomb and geode

Spirit bomb feels to me like better crescendo since it takes 0 dedication to deal 4 dmg

[normal quail]

Yeah those can stay in

I’m saying take out forge, monstrous form, and an imprisoned horror to fit in the new cards

[rare moat]

Crescendo takes like, 8 other cards for you to do the fun thing

That you have to run

[steep narwhal]

Yeah

i do like crescendo with Chaos

[rare moat]

Fair enough yeah

I'm gonna try switching out imps, monstrous form and forge

[normal quail]

Actually

Maybe take out symphony for chaos

Since symphony messes up chaos

I’m not sure you want to have both

Only downside is, you take out your only source of healing outside of popgar

Not sure it matters enough though

[rare moat]

I'm addicted to getting +6+6

You can try it lol

[normal quail]

Yeah but no forge reduces the value

I mean I agree it’s great

But just doesn’t play nice with chaos

[rare moat]

Well if you got a thing on board and hit +6+6, I mean, it's turn 5

They already didn't remove your dude last turn

Geege

[normal quail]

Ideally you’re getting some sludge on the bottom of your deck by turn 5

[rare moat]

Yeah but I like to prioritize flexibility

I hate bad draws

[normal quail]

That’s fair I’m not gonna argue it’s a bad card. I’m gonna tinker tomorrow

[rare moat]

Yep

[normal quail]

Would be nice if soul barrage triggered off being destroyed instead of just discard

[rare moat]

Yeah but I mean that's what ymirjar is for

When you've played all your tempo and you have all your discards and tokens in hand, you play ymirjar or gloomstone and just orgasm

It's important you pull off this swing turn which is why I like having the redundant ymirjar and gloomstone

[normal quail]

Wait what’s the guy that gets summoned on discard

Can we get that guy back in?

[rare moat]

The walking dead

I've tried it

I'm not sure what I'd cut for him tho

The thing is, he does 2 damage

It's not insane tempo

Trolley targets spells

[normal quail]

Hmmm

[rare moat]

It is a decent greed target, you could potential get a 5 health taunt protecting your board for free

I mean any discard target is gonna be bonkers if you can pull it off

[normal quail]

Haha that card and lakkari back in for maximum discard madness

[rare moat]

Lol yeah

Imagine drawing 2 discards tho

Hand throws the whole game

[normal quail]

Yeah unfortunately there is such a thing as too much discard

[rare moat]

That's why we wanna have some redundancy but still keep it thin, for nice clean discard turns

I believe ymirjar, gloomstone and trolley is perfect. 6 cards in your deck

More is dangerous

Bring viscidous to core

[normal quail]

Viscidus would be nuts lol

[rare moat]

As for the discard targets, I believe I have the right balance here as well. Some might argue that you just discard sludge and don't put greed in the deck

But if you want your discarders to be good you need them usable even when you didn't draw sludge yet

I mean remember you aren't waiting for your whole deck. You wanna win by 6 or 7

[rare moat]

Holy draw

We would be unstoppable

It's kinda weird to say but i actually feel like big hands are not good for this deck

You wanna sorta manage what you're discarding by tempoing what needs to be avoided

[normal quail]

Geode and furnace give you a lot of draw

[rare moat]

Yeah just enough

Perfect amount

I love how many different utilities geode has

Draw, pain, 2 drop for the curve

Take 4 draw 2 would have been even playable as a spell but with a 2/1 it plays as a handy bit of board interaction

I'm gonna write a pasta about it

[normal quail]

Write a pasta about how generous it is

[rare moat]

Yes exactly

[normal quail]

We need to know the voice lines first

[rare moat]

True

Can't wait to hear it tbh I love some of these voicelines

Mischievous imp is my favorite

A little FIRE never HURT nobody 😈

[normal quail]

I love the fatigue imp lines

[rare moat]

What he say

[normal quail]

“Presto” “and now for the final act, MEEEEE”

[rare moat]

OH YEAH 🤣

[normal quail]

Classic

[rare moat]

I used to laugh at thst dude when I play and he's so narcissistic

Imps be funny

I feel the itch to put gemtosser in something

I dream of a control lock that's based on like alot of burn

Can it happen

Our clear better be nutty idk

[normal quail]

I’m putting gemtosser in my renolock deck but prob not in sludge

Playing this deck rn and man does it feel like it’s gonna be tough to give up forge

It’s a very forge centric deck

Lol

Might have to try it with and without tmrw

Monstrous form also helps with sludge generation buffing wheels

Ughhhh

Dilemmas

-Flame imp, spirit bomb and imprisoned horror; +geode, gloomstone and chaos might be the move for me

[rare moat]

Yeah this might be it you probably need to cut pain

[normal quail]

I am heavy leaning this way

This is a deck you absolutely need to win by turn 6 or 7. The card burn is just absolutely nuts

Between 12 cards burned by chaos, 3 a turn by waste remover, and all the in-hand discard lol

[rare moat]

Gaming

Nah but I'm not running 2 chaos

Waste remover never deletes many cards unless it's killing the opponent

[cold sundial]

when do we go full fanottem

[normal quail]

Lol wow this might actually work

2 chaos 2 waste remover and fanottem on turn 8 lol

Could get play even with 1 chaos

Imma try it

Excited for tomorrow 🤩

[cold sundial]

yeah you could somewhat reasonably run loken

we have a lot of beef

[normal quail]

🤯

Too many good cards lol

We’re cookin

Love it

[rare moat]

I just don't believe in fanottem because you're real likely to delete fanottem lol

[normal quail]

Same with symphony to be fair

[rare moat]

Well any card is no good when you delete it but fanottem needs to he drawn before you get deleting

Idk maybe by that philosophy there's no reason not to use it

If he's in the bottom half, delete

If he's in the top half, good card

[normal quail]

Yeah I mean you’ll end up deleting a lot of your deck either way

[rare moat]

What did you think about my list

[normal quail]

Just seems like he has good compatibility with the discard theme

With chaos

Your list is good I’m going to use it as the base for the new deck tomorrow, I’m taking out flame imps, imprisoned horror and spirit bomb to make room for the new cards

[rare moat]

I wanted to work synergy with it

So discard works with discarding sludge

And the pain cards are so light

[normal quail]

Yeah I like the idea of maximizing cards that benefit from discard

[rare moat]

1 mana deal 4 is amazing for sludge

[normal quail]

Still considering walking dead

[normal quail]

Well we need to make room somehow

For the 5 new cards

[rare moat]

It is concievable to run walking dead along with your extra 2 discards

[cold sundial]

Yeah I mean if we run scourge supplies and the new six cost spell we definitely will have fannottem online if we find it

[rare moat]

You don't even need scourge

With geode

[cold sundial]

[normal quail]

Scourge gives you some more discard play tho

Idk

[rare moat]

It's so slow tho

[cold sundial]

Yeah and run dead

[normal quail]

If you want to completely sell out for discard, I think you find a way to fit in scourge and walking dead

No idea how we make it all fit

[cold sundial]

Yeah cut fatigue for all that discard

[normal quail]

Soup’s list already had fatigue taken out

We’ve gotta axe some stuff

Maybe miracle salesman

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6240
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# ⬜ 2x (1) Spirit Bomb
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# 🟦 2x (5) Savage Ymirjar
# 🟦 2x (5) Soul Barrage
# 🟨 1x (5) Symphony of Sins
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9823965

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9823965

[normal quail]

On the chopping block: flame imp, salesman, symphony, imprisoned horror, spirit bomb, monstrous form

For me

[rare moat]

When I'm facing hard cuts I think about what the new cards do and if it's a better strat than mine, and why

I think what the new deck does is more tempo

So the cards we have that help with tempo are

Mostly horror and waste remover

[normal quail]

Yeah it just depends on whether you want to run the pain package or completely sell out for discard

[cold sundial]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 5640
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# ⬜ 2x (3) Scourge Supplies
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# ⬜ 2x (3) Walking Dead
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# 🟦 2x (5) Savage Ymirjar
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟨 1x (30) Fanottem, Lord of the Opera
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9824005

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9824005

[rare moat]

Well I was using spirit bomb to snipe big things out of the way for my sludge

Only helps that it let's me play a free 5/5

[normal quail]

Yeah I think this looks close to what I’m going for

Do you need 2 chaos though?

That is a LOT of card burn lol

[rare moat]

To work with fanottem

[cold sundial]

Redundant because of the random discard

I’m case we hit one with guardian

Or jar

There is a lot of rolling the dice here

Hoping to hit what we want

[normal quail]

Yeah for sure

That’s why discard worked so much better with sludge as 2 cost lol

[rare moat]

Well in my current list there doesn't seem to be much rolling

You play good tempo until you're out. The only thing left should be 1 or 2 discards and a hand full of targets

Then you just nuke

[normal quail]

I’m leaning towards WorldEight’s list because you’re basically dividing your deck into (a) cards that trigger off discard/burn and (b) cards that make the discard/burn happen

It’s a coherent strategy

[rare moat]

Well yeah that is essentially mine too

Except you prioritize board

[normal quail]

Let me see your list with the new cards

[rare moat]

That list is looking pretty clean

I haven't cooked yet

Waiting to be able to do it in client

I don't like the website thing

[normal quail]

Kk

[rare moat]

But I've got the deck down like 90% in my head

[normal quail]

I mean I’m not totally sold on scourge supplies, but it does facilitate discard

It might just give you too much draw

[rare moat]

It's better with walking dead for sure

The deck is coherent

[normal quail]

Yeah I’m going to try it

Like geode, scourge and fuel all amount to a ton of draw lol

You still need room for the sludge and snake oil

Honestly maybe you put in lakkari instead of scourge

So you get some board presence

Or 1 lakkari 1 scourge?

Idk

Will need to find the balance

[normal quail]

Bruh these people in the waitroom channel are crazy

Frackiing and crescendo don’t fit in this deck lmao

[rare moat]

Those people ain't sludging for real

They don't know

[rare moat]

Where were you thinking of putting the lakkari

[cold sundial]

Yeah Jdeg wasn’t really taking my feedback

[normal quail]

I don’t know. My main concern with the deck is how backloaded it is with all the 3/4/5 drops and not enough 1/2 drops. You really want to have momentum by turn 3 with an aggro deck

[cold sundial]

Yeah my list definitely needs a good two drop

[normal quail]

Yeah you just can’t afford to not be productive until turn 4

If you drop forge on turn 3

[cold sundial]

Probably don’t need Jar

[normal quail]

Yeah I was thinking that

[cold sundial]

I’m not wild about a lot of two drops though

Obviously could be as simple as astalor / flint

Flint especially

[normal quail]

Well there’s tentacle

[cold sundial]

But I don’t hate tentacles, necrolyte

[normal quail]

Yeah

[cold sundial]

Or even just two neophytes

Neophytes are pretty good right now

But the simple choice is tentacles

Or gold panner even

Although that’s not terribly aggressive

[normal quail]

Yeah I don’t think you need gold panner and geode

I’d go neophyte or tentacle

[cold sundial]

My instinct is saying neophyte

[fresh oxide]

isn't tentacle more like
a card to target treant druids

feel like they won't be as prominent post-miniset

[cold sundial]

Yeah that’s a good point

[normal quail]

Yes

[bold nimbus]

i’m trying geode/horror angle first thing

[normal quail]

Could try it with flame imp and spirit bomb

But that may be too much self damage

[bold nimbus]

spirit bomb fs

[normal quail]

Anyone tried this? I’ve been too busy crushing with Druid lol

[cold sundial]

Trying something with only a small amount of copium

[fresh oxide]

no place for loken 😭

[normal quail]

I just don’t know if this can compete with Druid. Renolock may be the answer

[cold sundial]

Couldn’t punch through 50 armor before Reno came down

But it was really the yogg off the top that won that game

[steep narwhal]

Okay I think I finally came to a decent insanity lock list with new cards. beat a druid that solared 40 armor and also played two lotuses.
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[pearl radish]

### Insanity Warlock
# Cost: 9600
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (1) Chaotic Consumption
# 🟪 2x (1) Felstring Harp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Void Virtuoso
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟪 1x (2) Shallow Grave
# 🟦 2x (3) Encroaching Insanity
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# 🟨 1x (5) Lady Darkvein
# 🟨 1x (5) Symphony of Sins
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9841201

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9841201

[steep narwhal]

never keep Harp in mull

[normal quail]

No chaos?

Oh wait nvm this isn’t a sludge deck

Get out of our sludge channel

Lol

Jk

[steep narwhal]

Sludge isn’t working into Druid

With insanity I can at least push dmg with conductor

[rare moat]

I just killed one with a 30 dmg creation

It had 20 armor on turn 3

Creation overcomes armor for sure

Problem for me is I'm facing a ton of warriors which is the worst matchup

[steep narwhal]

What’s your list

I haven’t faced many warriors but was beating the HL version in the couple games I had

[rare moat]

For warrior and more controlly matchups I'm considering cooking the version without waste remover

Something burn based

With 2 creation

Best way to beat warrior is to nuke them from orbit while they're busy messing with their hand and health

[steep narwhal]

Yeah is it ever arcanist with creation or 9 mana too much

[rare moat]

Yea that is very high but if you wanna go arcanist you might as well play the combo

Remember tho this version is gonna have doomkin gemtosser

That's a shit ton of burn

[normal quail]

Ok I’m getting into the sludge now

What are you considering replacing waste remover with @rare moat

[fallow idol]

alright someone sludge list me

[rancid pollen]

I am still playing the otk list and it feels ok competitively

less control warrior and less tech since mini set, pretty good

but there might be some slots for change to draw cards and stall since the miniset is out

[rare moat]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4320
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# 🟦 2x (3) Suffocating Shadows
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# ⬜ 2x (3) Walking Dead
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# 🟦 2x (5) Savage Ymirjar
# 🟦 2x (5) Soul Barrage
# ⬜ 1x (6) Chaos Creation
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9842614

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9842614

[rare moat]

I'll get back to you on the cook when I put something together

[fallow idol]

1 x chaos, guessing the idea is if you use one and don’t OTK game is over?

[rare moat]

Well it's a tempo deck so not necessarily, but the way the play pattern works, yes you should finish with creation

You wanna try to play all your tempo and start making swingy discard turns

[rare moat]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 9600
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (1) Chaotic Consumption
# 🟪 2x (1) Felstring Harp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Glacial Shard
# 🟦 2x (1) Soulfreeze
# 🟦 2x (2) Defile
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# ⬜ 2x (4) Imposing Anubisath
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟨 1x (7) Dar'Khan Drathir
# 🟨 1x (8) Gigafin
# 🟨 1x (9) Sargeras, the Destroyer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9856905

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9856905

[rare moat]

@normal quail here's what I got so far for a controlly burn lock. Gonna start testing

[rare moat]

Update: this deck can indeed counter warrior as long as they don't run reno

Reno remains a broken board poof so nothing new there

I'm beating priest as well

[steep narwhal]

Yeah I’m seeing some chad sludge. Imagine its warlocks players fed up with war and Druid

No Doomkin?

I had a similar list but with doomkins for shard

Because fuck Reno im taking your mana

I'm liking gemtosser more and more

[spiral lichen]

any good sub for gigafin dont wanna craft him now that his rotating

[steep narwhal]

but yeah @rare moat I think the only cards in that list I'm not sure of is Glacial and Imposing now that we have gloomstone

[rare moat]

I think having 4 targets for forge is required to validate it

And at the same time it is necessary so it needs to be validated

[steep narwhal]

yeah imposing I'm still not sure on removing, just want to see stats eventually. but I think shard for Doomkin is good

alot of warriors now are running the Jambre tech

I guess you could run one twisting nether Kure

[rare moat]

Yeah and it might even be worth cutting gigafin for nether because I can't remember a single instance the opponent didn't get their board back

It could be better to just wipe

[steep narwhal]

yeah I know lol

luckily half the time I have sarg

but gigafin usually just sucks for me

really wish snake was better cause I love Tram conductor

Gerry

[rare moat]

Typically, in my personal control decks I have a rule of gigafin, 1 nether, sargeras

Triple wipe

It's a hard shut down leading up to turn 10

[steep narwhal]

Well Druid has like, Yogg to kill giga

but I think that's it?

or poison Ignis

warrior will kill it

but they killing you with astalor so the stats are nice anyways

[rare moat]

I don't cook druid so I'm not real sure about their strategies

Typically reno and yogg is the issue

[steep narwhal]

yeah same I'm trying to think how they'd kill gigafin

well reno poofs so no DR

I didnt realize druid would gain a billion armor

else chaos would destroy them everytime

[rare moat]

Yeah but luckily you have enough tempo to at least force out reno

[steep narwhal]

warrior I think depends if they hit teacher

for gaining a bunch of armor

[rare moat]

Well I'm not overly worried about armor

From experience I can say you do plenty of dmg that health bars aren't the problem here

[steep narwhal]

is the control list feel better than the more aggro/midrange discard card you were running before

[rare moat]

I haven't decided. They feel similar winrate but definitely better for different things

I do really like having lategame scaling

Gemtosser, having time to find all your sludge for creation, it makes for a nice consistent inevitability

[steep narwhal]

why do so many d0nkey plugin players not buy the miniset

gemtosser has felt good

[rare moat]

Gemtosser is nuts

[steep narwhal]

esp into paladin

Ive liked horror now in Insanity, I wonder if sludge could fit horrors in now with Geode

[rare moat]

Oh yeah and I'm glad to be having defile

Now that I'm thinking about it, the gemtosser version seems to be just alot more convenient because of the nutty removal from very popular warrior

[steep narwhal]

yeah gem is nice cause the DMG is already done against war

[rare moat]

Burn is good

[steep narwhal]

also can fuck up their 5 mana clear

they struggle building any armor

[rare moat]

Queueing aggro sludge I feel like I'm kinda giving them a fun hearthstone game by playing into every single play

Warrior, that is

By the time they've gotten wide and tall it's over for aggro, no clears

[steep narwhal]

ya you need a burn

either Chaos creation or insanity darkvein

conductor also sucks into warrior clears

2 mana or forged 5 mana clear

[rare moat]

Well the strategy is you beat em up with minions and keep them off the board so that you can chaos their face for 30

But the clear is giga nuts

You never get momentum

Don't know of I'm ready to give up chaotic consumption

Plague of flames was the best warlock clear ever

[jaunty slate]

i am having quite a bit of sucess with ur agro version

of sludgelock

and it can definitely be improved

[rare moat]

Yeah it's the one I've been jamming more but I'm not actually climbing because warrior is just a polarizing matchup

[cold sundial]

yeah every time I queued sludge I went into warrior

deck felt good until reno

[rotund oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1183027571202469948.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[bitter dragon]

I dont know if i like discarding

[steep narwhal]

So I queue as sludge and Warrior sucks. But the insanity list I posted has been doing well into Warrior

But then Druid feels worse

[west sparrow]

Disciple of Sargeras discarding soul barrage against Paladin feels incredible

The HS replay version of the deck runs Steamcleaner and Symphony together, seems weird

[rare moat]

This is for the aggro value of symphony

Why greed it for the steamcleaner when you can +6+6 and win

Anyway there isn't room for it with the new cards

[west sparrow]

Yeah I'm playing the list posted in the data reaper channel, and Symphony seems too slow for it

[rare moat]

It's not rly for everyone but discarding sludge is the best way to take advantage of hand sludge

[rare moat]

This right here?

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4320
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# ⬜ 2x (3) Walking Dead
# 🟦 2x (4) Disciple of Sargeras
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# 🟦 2x (5) Savage Ymirjar
# 🟦 2x (5) Soul Barrage
# ⬜ 1x (6) Chaos Creation
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9859022

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9859022

[rare moat]

I believe this is the deck I posted above

[rare moat]

I think the gemtosser version is best able to handle both

[cold sundial]

I’m going to update the OP to have the @steel nexus @rare moat lists, plus I need a good insanity one

And whatever we think is the best slower one

[steep narwhal]

I think for Insanity this felt good ive been playing it all morning. The second chaos(or Symphony) could also be a defile though if facing more paladins/tree druids
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[pearl radish]

### Insanity Warlock
# Cost: 9600
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (1) Chaotic Consumption
# 🟪 2x (1) Felstring Harp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Void Virtuoso
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟪 1x (2) Shallow Grave
# 🟦 2x (3) Encroaching Insanity
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# 🟨 1x (5) Lady Darkvein
# 🟨 1x (5) Symphony of Sins
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9841201

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9841201

[steep narwhal]

Horrors feel alot better now with Geode

[weary steppe]

Sludge

Class: Warlock

Format: Standard

Year of the Wolf

2x (1) Flame Imp

2x (1) Miracle Salesman

2x (1) Tram Mechanic

2x (2) Baritone Imp

2x (2) Crescendo

2x (2) Disposal Assistant

2x (3) Forge of Wills

2x (3) Sludge on Wheels

2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser

2x (3) Trolley Problem

2x (4) Crazed Conductor

2x (4) Disciple of Sargeras

1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid

2x (4) Waste Remover

2x (6) Chaos Creation

1x (6) Imp King Rafaam

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To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Chaos Creation good

Flame Imp is whatever, could probably be anything else

Gemtosser very good

[rare moat]

Can you kinda walk me through how you're supposed to do the gamelan? I feel like I'm not doing something right

Insanity felt quite useless to me

Also what do you mull for

[steep narwhal]

Flame Imp, Tour Guide(if no flame imp in mull), Geode, against control i keep insanity sometimes

never keep Harp

if i have a really good self dmg hand like imp/geode ive kept horror

[rare moat]

And so you're supposed to ramp fatigue and then use darkvein to bomb them with the triple insanity play?

[steep narwhal]

yeah

[steep narwhal]

ive been getting highroleld on afternoon now though so idk

[cold sundial]

donkey's site is having a h iccup, I'll update the OP later

[steep narwhal]

I cut one chaotic for 1 defile. 3 1 ofs now though

Maybe I just cut symphony for second chaotic to keep it clean

[normal quail]

Why do you need 2 chaotic

[steep narwhal]

Can use one for removal

[weary steppe]

So you draw it?

[normal quail]

Yeah I guess it proccs off darkvein

[rare moat]

Why is insanity good

How do you play this deck

Lmao

I need to see gameplay

[steel nexus]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4680
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 1x (6) Chaos Creation
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9885084

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9885084

[steel nexus]

that's my current list

[rare moat]

Looks clean

How has the fatigue package been working out for you

[cold sundial]

yeah looks great, except I don't care for flame imp

[rare moat]

Agreege

[vale summit]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 5520
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (1) Felstring Harp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# 🟦 2x (1) Soulfreeze
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# ⬜ 1x (3) Scourge Supplies
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9883834

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9883834

[vale summit]

this is what pocket was playing

geode makes horror feel a lot better

[rare moat]

Gahhhhd dayum that's a dense early game

[vale summit]

ye i think some stuff should get cut

[rare moat]

But if pockets doing it I'll go see what he's up to

But it's an aggro sludge deck with gemtosser

The man has to be cooking

[steel nexus]

Kinda, it's usually just a discount of 2

[rare moat]

Why do you say that

OH shit

They kill it on their tirn

[steel nexus]

If it dies on your opponents turn the deathrattle damage doesn't count

[rare moat]

I'm so slow

[steel nexus]

Yeaj

[vale summit]

its also that it draws, so 0 mana stuff is less of an oof

[rare moat]

What's crazy is my geode has been living 2 or 3 turns like all day

[steel nexus]

I do not like this list

[vale summit]

ye there's def some changes to be made

[rare moat]

But why did pocket build this way

He has to be thinking something different

[steel nexus]

I think I've faced something like this yesterday, is he playing it now/today? Maybe he got it from somewhere

[rare moat]

Did anyone see him build it live

Imma go check vods

[vale summit]

this was today after he got bored of druid, dont know if he got it from anywhere

ins4ne is playing the list now

[rare moat]

Same one?

[vale summit]

ye

[rare moat]

Yeah I found the vod, watched him build

[normal quail]

Everyone saying insanity

[steep narwhal]

Do we really want soul freeze in the deck? And scourge supplies just really slow

[vale summit]

ye i think both get cut

soul freeze doesn't really work when we have to kill the minions to burn face anyway

[rare moat]

I really like soul freeze

It costs 1

Does some pain

Freezing 3 is very relevant

Oh God I'm writing another pasta

There's alot of aggro kinda running us over so I think I'd cut scourge supplies for defile

[rare moat]

This deck is just good

It's like if I had been cooking my burn list for a week but pocket made it in 5 min

Trolley problem seems like it would be crazy in this

[normal quail]

Insanity is GOOD

[rotund oar]

The first message? Can you pin it?

[rotund oar]

Went from D5 to legend with only 2 losses

One to plague DK and one to blood DK

Beat every warrior and drood on the way, 100% winrate

Miracle rogue just feels too weak, time to move on to sludgelock

[rare moat]

Well damn what were you doing lol

You must not have been using minions against warrior

Or are there ways to play around it

[rotund oar]

What do you mean

[rare moat]

I mean I had a hard time cuz of warrior

Their clears are insane

[rotund oar]

I had the exact opposite experience

Its a lot harder for them clear boards because of their one-ofs

Easier to play around the usual control tools

[rare moat]

Like I almost never get a swing cuz they're trashing every minion

[rotund oar]

Regular warrior would have cleared all my big shitters easily

[rotund oar]

Idk felt easy to make it awkward for them

Thanks reno

For making warrior worse

[rare moat]

Well maybe they've just been pulling the nuts on me

[rotund oar]

Like a lot of their clears depend on comboing removal

So much easier to get location+7/7 to stick

Since they dont have bash + bladestorm consistently

[rare moat]

They clear 2 7/7s for 2 mana

[rotund oar]

The small shitters blocked that

[rare moat]

I do that too but it never seemed to matter for them

[rotund oar]

Idk maybe you're playing against more refined lists

Or I got super lucky

[rare moat]

I've just been running burn instead

It's giga nuts

[rotund oar]

Burn what

You mean gemtosser?

[jaunty slate]

burn deez nuts

[rotund oar]

Haven't tried that yet

I like discard

[rare moat]

Yeah

[rare moat]

.

This right here

[rotund oar]

Ew harp

All my homies hate harp

[rare moat]

I'm gonna move some cards around but it's basically make sludge and bomb them in the face

[rotund oar]

Ah I was wondering where all the sludge cards are

Its much more focused around the Firelands portal

[rare moat]

Well you don't need it in hand

[rotund oar]

Interesting build

What's with the horrors

[rare moat]

Put sludge at the bottom and you usually have 4 or 5 ready for chaos

Which does 34 dmg

[rotund oar]

[[Imprisoned horror]]

[pearl radish]

Imprisoned horror (Other potential matches)

Imprisoned Horror (View card and tokens)

[rare moat]

Horrors is cuz you have pain cards

[rotund oar]

Oh per damage

Not per instance

[rare moat]

Free 5/5 very early

Yea

[rotund oar]

[rare moat]

My horrors swing 3 times lol

[rotund oar]

well I'm done for this month anyway, I'll try it next month

I dont like playing against 90% reno decks

[rare moat]

Ur not gonna try to climb legend?

[rotund oar]

Nah playing against reno feels boring

I played a lot last month with miracle through

[jaunty slate]

we should make a reno sludgelock

[rare moat]

Breh

Take his toque away

Give me your spatula

[jaunty slate]

ur pfp is very cool

[rare moat]

Oh BTW @rotund oar the burn deck was made by pocket train

The goat

[jaunty slate]

wchich deck

wich one?

[rare moat]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 5520
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (1) Felstring Harp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# 🟦 2x (1) Soulfreeze
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# ⬜ 1x (3) Scourge Supplies
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9884622

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9884622

[jaunty slate]

i dont have harp

[rare moat]

Yeah you probably need it

[jaunty slate]

ho boiut 1 mana 1/3

[rare moat]

Could work

Harp heals after though and isn't weak to board clear

But I get that it's 800 dust

Yikes

[jaunty slate]

i had one i dusted it i thought it wont see play

[rare moat]

Always have faith in the 1 mana heal 12

Especially since it was printed this year so it's got a while to go

[jaunty slate]

this pocket deck is op

just saw banter play it

[rare moat]

Ins4ne played it too

Says he's gonna play it more today

[jaunty slate]

i think deck is missing trolley problem

[rare moat]

Yeah I'm watching banter play it rn

Trolley is the cook

Also, fatigue package is good for the deck but it has always been a kinda mid thing to do

I wonder if there's something to put in this deck that makes it busted

[jaunty slate]

bruh banter is making some next level plays

[rare moat]

Lmao ikr

When gem tosser went 5 times in a row into the minion he wanted to kill

That roll took skill

[jaunty slate]

the burn deck beats warrior

but it kinda loses to other agro decks

unless u get crescendo

[spiral lichen]

which version seems best into it

since i got warrior like 8/10 times in d7

straight back to 10

[rare moat]

I'm not sure yet

You need some late game to endure all the clears

Still cooking for the warrior matchup

[jaunty slate]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 5520
# Format: Standard
# 🟪 2x (1) Felstring Harp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# 🟦 2x (1) Soulfreeze
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# ⬜ 1x (3) Scourge Supplies
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9884622

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9884622

[jaunty slate]

This beats warrior I don't have data

But I M pretty sure

Unless u need to craft something play this

[spiral lichen]

will see rn

[steep narwhal]

Horror is really good into Reno Warrior cause it’s hard for them to clear if you don’t let them gain armor

Since you usually have smaller minions on board

You also get a time warp on t5/t6 (they always have Brann) where you really want to pressure them hard

And yeah paladin is rough without defile. But defile feels terrible into Warrior/druid so it’s pick your poison

[jaunty slate]

i think u throw the gemtosser for troLley problem

[steep narwhal]

https://www.d0nkey.top/card-stats?deck_id=9874936&format=2&sort_by=drawn_impact&sort_direction=desc

this list on d0nkey is doing well into warrior with low sample

[spiral lichen]

i mean either way i had most succes against reno warriors with pure odyn warrior without any excavates

[steep narwhal]

but not so well into druid

[spiral lichen]

but the list above seems fine

[steep narwhal]

probably cant beat the wall of Eonar

[spiral lichen]

4/2 atm

[steep narwhal]

I wonder with the amount of aggro pallies showing up if you cut two cards for defile

early stats show Harp kindof meh

at least on d0nkey

it messes with your horror stuff anyways

[jaunty slate]

How bout trolley problem for harp

[steel nexus]

Discard looks interesting. If I decide to cut the fatigue package I'll give it a try

I'll also say that my list is excellent against warrior

Make chunky minions early is hard for them to deal with

[jaunty slate]

Do u think ur list is better vs druid

[steel nexus]

Probably?

[steep narwhal]

What’s your list?

[jaunty slate]

Ys i am searching for that too

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4680
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 1x (6) Chaos Creation
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9874936

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9874936

[jaunty slate]

This

[steep narwhal]

Yeah that looks solid

Yeah so many paladins this morning. Def running defile for now

[steep narwhal]

Okay well for whatever reason soul freeze is bugged and only hit one neighbor

Did not hit a frilly

So I’m cutting it

I used it against a rogue on the shambler in middle, only freezed a kobold miner and not Drilly(from illusionist)

I mean it’s both neighbors right

[steel nexus]

I think I'm gonna -trolley problem + chaos creation

[steel nexus]

It was a signature drilly, right? There is a visual bug on signature cards

[spiral lichen]

still no defile

[steel nexus]

yes, no defile

[spiral lichen]

and thanks to you finally got d 5 after playing 3 days non stop

[steel nexus]

nice

[spiral lichen]

pala is tricky

clearing most warriors

[spiral lichen]

will try this tho

[steep narwhal]

O that must have been it

[spiral lichen]

i still havent pinned down what the best mulligans are

[spiral lichen]

in the list without this

[steel nexus]

in the my list, the one I replied to, just changing what's a one of

[spiral lichen]

cant seem to find it

[steel nexus]

It's literally in the message I replied to

Just click/tap the reply section and it'll scroll up

[spiral lichen]

found it

thanks a lot ❤️

[rare moat]

Don't you kinda need the trolleys to deal with aggro?

[summer phoenix]

If paladin picks up, I can see defile being important. It kinda has anti discard synergy with trolley, but at the same time, slow matchups that you want trolley tempo you probably don't care about discarding it either. Against aggro stuff like paladin/treant druid you probably have option to defile clear and then trolley

[cold sundial]

I can't pin messages

[steel nexus]

weird that there is no way to go to the first message in a forum

besides the message link trick

(copy the message link of a message, then change the last huge number to 0)

[steel nexus]

It's kinda meh in the low sample size stats

not that great in pre miniset stats either

[cold sundial]

yeah it was already looking mid? if we cut trolley we aren't completely dependent on salesman

which is still a good card

but the oil was great hedging against trolley sniping crescendo

[west sparrow]

I played like 12 games yesterday and confidently trolley problem felt the weirdest, too many clunky turns where I'd draw it on 3 and not want to play it, because I have sludge, Soul Barrage, or the draw 2 discord in my hand

[steep narwhal]

so far the 6/8 isnt looking good on very small sample d0nkey stats

[west sparrow]

yeah, it only feels good when I have location on board AND discard synergy in hand

[steep narwhal]

same with elementium geode

thought geode would be good

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4680
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# 🟦 2x (1) Soulfreeze
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 1x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
AAECAf0GAoCeBqugBg7CCJvNA8fCBcjCBd3CBc76Bdf6Beb/BZWXBpaXBpeXBqKgBsSiBvejBgAA
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9937239

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9937239

[steep narwhal]

was thinking of trying this

[spiral lichen]

agreed

[steep narwhal]

like forge into waste remove is still such a strong play

[steel nexus]

what stats are you looking at?

[steep narwhal]

https://www.d0nkey.top/card-stats?deck_id=9874936&format=2&sort_by=drawn_impact&sort_direction=desc

this

its very low sample

so could be nothing

[steel nexus]

that's 66 times drawn, way too low

https://www.d0nkey.top/card-stats?archetype=Sludge+Warlock&min_drawn_count=400&min_mull_count=0&sort_by=drawn_impact&sort_direction=desc

Archetype stats have a greater sample

Still low though, but better than specific lists

[steep narwhal]

o wow didn't know you could do this thanks

[opal cobalt]

harp looks pretty bad in stats as expected?

[steep narwhal]

yeah the pocket list I don't think its needed

your fatigue isn't ramping as much like Insanity lock

and chaos creation usually ends it

so not much time to ramp it up

one thing with monstrous form is it can like "heal" sludge on wheels

so now I want to try and include it

[steel nexus]

it also makes permanent stats with forge

[opal cobalt]

Trolly is so good on curve I'm really sceptical forge of wills should be included in most lists

[steel nexus]

If you're running 4 mana 7/7s and 6/8s, it definitely belongs in there

[steep narwhal]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4920
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Soulfreeze
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 1x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
AAECAf0GAoCeBqugBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXO+gXX+gWVlwaWlwaXlwaboAaioAajoAbEogb3owYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9938204

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9938204

[steep narwhal]

so hard to fit everything

want to run salemens/mechanic/monster form too

[west sparrow]

Whats better in the opening? Mechanic or salesman?

[steep narwhal]

sales I think

2/2>2/1

[spiral lichen]

tried a couple of different versions

still the first one by donkey seems to work best for me

[steel nexus]

In general salesman, there can be circumstances when mechanic is better

[normal quail]

Anyone running insanity? Or sludge only

[spiral lichen]

i have no darkvein and dont feel like spending the dust cause im tight

[steel nexus]

I consider insanity warlock a different deck

[normal quail]

Yeah, it is. Just curious how insanity and sludge are stacking up in current warrior/druid meta

My initial impression was that insanity is better against warriors

Warriors don’t drop a lot of minions that wheels needs for sludge generation

[steel nexus]

sludge lock isn't a wheels deck

you make chunky minions and smack warrior in the face

my stats across versions vs warrior

[normal quail]

What’s your list. You can go the route of chunky minions but usually you want at least monstrous form, waste remover and forge if you do that

[steel nexus]

I don't run monstrous form

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4320
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 1x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
AAECAf0GAoCeBqaoBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXX+gWFjgaVlwaWlwaXlwaYlwaboAaioAaroAb3owYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9937552

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9937552

[steel nexus]

that's what I'm currently playing

!ldb D0nkey r:EU

[pearl radish]

+-----------------+
| Europe Standard |
+----------+------+
| D0nkey   | 11   |
+----------+------+

[steel nexus]

climbed up with various lists from outside the top 50

[normal quail]

I’d sub furnace fuel for monstrous form myself but that’s probably personal preference

[steep narwhal]

How are you into paladin

[steel nexus]

even, low sample

[normal quail]

Always nice when Gloomstone discards chaos for you

Had 7 sludges in my hand and of course it discards that one

[cold sundial]

FYI @steel nexus the deck code is coming in as wild on a mobile import. Something to do with flame imp

[steel nexus]

yeah, I've noticed. It's other core cards. It's IMO definitely a bug in the client, but I should be able to work around it (and I thought I was, )

[steep narwhal]

I’m running a list with horrors but close to d0nkey and I think he has the right direction

Forge with a big 4 mana stat minion just wins games on the spot

[steel nexus]

I tweeted my list, so maybe we get some traction for stats

[steep narwhal]

Taunt can also be life saving

Won vs tree Druid cause of it

And a rogue had to sacrifice velarok

Do you ever forge the gloom stone or always tap?

[steel nexus]

Depends on hand

Am I gonna have things I wanna discard? Am I gonna have things I don't wanna discard?

[steel nexus]

My opponent just emoted because they thought won lol

[cold sundial]

the list you tweeted imported as standard

I'll give it some reps, but I mostly play mobile

[steep narwhal]

I think ins4ne swapped to d0nkey list

[summer phoenix]

I dunno trolley feels great if you're not running 1 and 2 mana spells

Like it's almost always a keep in mulligan, right?

On coin at least

[steel nexus]

I just new I wanted another chaos creation

I could see other cuts

if you want 2 trolley

[summer phoenix]

2nd creation makes sense. It's a warrior destroyer.

[rotund oar]

There's plugins for it but yeah sad no official support

[rotund oar]

F rge

Think I've only forged once

If I don't want to discard I usually give up the mana crystal

Oh but I'm playing a full discard version so I guess it might be different for you

I mulligan aggressively for something to play on 1/2, never wanna tap or f rge

[rotund oar]

Oof got wrecked by a couple paladongers

🐀

Lol how did it get this bad

Should have won off that rat

3 objections and discover aoe and Tess and 2 flints with full lifesteal

[cedar perch]

AAECAfy0BgKYlwaAngYOhKAEx8IFyMIF3cIFzvoFlZcGl5cGhJ4GoqAGo6AGq6AGxKIG16IGpqgGAAA=

[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 5520
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# 🟦 2x (1) Soulfreeze
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 1x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
AAECAf0GApiXBoCeBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXO+gWVlwaXlwaEngaioAajoAaroAbEogbXogamqAYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9952703

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9952703

[cedar perch]

why play 7/7s when you can just spam small dudes and kill people quicker

i think gemtosser is nuts after playing with it

[steel nexus]

How are you killing people quicker

[cedar perch]

you spam self damage, play some 0 cost imprisoned horrors, and then finish ppl off with trogg/sludges

i copied the list frorm ins4ne but cut scourge supplies and the harps for trolley problems and 1x tram mechanics bc scourge supplies and harps do not go face

[rotund oar]

Lol you can roll sif off chaos

And it works for the sludges

[cedar perch]

soulfreeze is suspect too imo bc it also does not go face

[jaunty slate]

i am liking the insanity list better than sludge list

It's better vs rogue

[rare moat]

I mean yeah zacho said it's one of the best decks

[jaunty slate]

But that list is kinda hard to play

Insanity one

It's not a pure tempo spend all ur mana deck

[rare moat]

It's hard cuz it's complicated trying to do your combo while under pressure

[jaunty slate]

Do u ever destroy mana with gloom guardian

I destroyed it today becuz i had a chaos in hand I didn't want to discard

[steel nexus]

How is that faster?

[jaunty slate]

This donkey deck is popping

[steel nexus]

Tour guid might be better than tram mechanics, though I haven't tested it

[steep narwhal]

Insanity can get around the wall of taunts

Did he say which insanity list was best hopefully not the Reno one

Donkeys list still holding a strong WR it broke 200 on legend now

Hopefully no one starts playing DH lol

[rotund oar]

did DH even get anything

[steep narwhal]

No just Naga dh can wreck us

I saw a naga dh using their new weapon though

[spiral lichen]

so true though luckily ive only faced 2 so far

[cold sundial]

yeah the new weapon is solid for dh

[steep narwhal]

Is it ever cut Tram Mechanic for thornveil or Geode?

[steel nexus]

if you wanna try stuff that's probably the cut

not sure it's a tentacle meta

[steep narwhal]

yeah just geode adds a lot of self DMG

I had another warlock tentacle me but tentacle not great into druid/war

I guess kills cactus

[steel nexus]

Can also make sense into something like rogue

with the 3/2s

but you want to be killing of minions on curve with it

[steep narwhal]

yeah its good against t1 cactuc, flame imp, or on coin against rogue 3/2

[west sparrow]

Chaos Creation getting Mukla with Forge of Wills on board 👀

[bitter furnace]

I listened to the pod and zach said experiment with soulfreeze, horror, and geode. And possibly run both chaos creation and waste remover

Do we think horror is a good direction

[steep narwhal]

It could be worth trying

I tried horrors before with forge and waste and it felt decent

But then I go back to liking trolley problem

[cedar perch]

I think big problem with horror builds is that it makes the deck a lot more vulnerable to burn

Like you die way faster to naga dh, and it makes you much more vulnerable to dying to stuff like crescendo + sludge in the mirror

[steep narwhal]

Yeah that’s the big issue since you don’t run harp to help

And harp was ran at first but looked bad in stats

[rare moat]

Feels like the package could really use one more payoff card

[opal cobalt]

[[Fanottem]]

[pearl radish]

Fanottem (Other potential matches)

Fanottem, Lord of the Opera (View card and tokens)

[opal cobalt]

[rancid pollen]

any update to the otk version?

playing the old version and it feels bad right now

[cedar perch]

Soulfreeze is nutty in the deck

Otherwise no

[jaunty slate]

has anyone tried monstrous form

[steel nexus]

I tried to make it work, it comes down too late

[spiral lichen]

your list got me legend today thx mate

[weary steppe]

What's the fascination with Fracking? Esp. when the stats seem to be clear that Waste Remover doesn't look like it should be a cut.

[summer phoenix]

Fracking + waste remover + chaos creation all in same list confuses me

Only exception I can see is a heavy discard synergy list...maybe...

[weary steppe]

As far as I can tell, the stats on Fracking are okay-ish. But yes, I have the some confusion. Esp. when Fracking is the only one that doesn't develop, and the one that is actively shit if you have 3 Sludges on the bottom of your deck.

[steep narwhal]

fracking i dont think is the play with chaos creation

since waste remover is better

i dont think we can give up t3 forge into t4 waste tht just wins games sometimes

[weary steppe]

Suicide Sludge

Class: Warlock

Format: Standard

Year of the Wolf

2x (1) Flame Imp

2x (1) Miracle Salesman

2x (1) Tram Mechanic

2x (2) Baritone Imp

2x (2) Crescendo

2x (2) Disposal Assistant

2x (2) Elementium Geode

2x (3) Sludge on Wheels

2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser

2x (3) Trolley Problem

2x (4) Crazed Conductor

1x (4) Gloomstone Guardian

1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid

2x (4) Waste Remover

2x (6) Chaos Creation

2x (9) Imprisoned Horror

AAECAf0GAoCeBpugBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXO+gWFjgaVlwaWlwaXlwaYlwaioAajoAaroAamqAYAAA==

To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

This is where I've landed.

[summer phoenix]

Waste remover is tempo swing (especially with forge) and even more with sludge removal/burn

[steep narwhal]

Nice, tram mechanic is probably the flex spot

trolley is also tough for me. when it works its just so nice but does suck when you have to discard crescendo to play it

[weary steppe]

It does for sure - but the stats I can see say it's probably one of the stronger cards in the deck, and that makes an amount of sense.

I think there's probably a direct link between running Trolley and if Tram Mechanic should be in the deck.

[summer phoenix]

Salesman/tram mechanic into trolley is fine (not running crescendo). I think fatigue list is probably better vs paladin though

I lost to Corb yesterday because I had a bloodthirsty gemtosser on 5? With a 2/1 DS on board that decided to ship it all face. 😂

I think that iff paladin was a higher playrate, defile gets more interesting, has some synergy loading up sludges in deck with sludge on wheels.

[weary steppe]

Yeah - I'm not opposed to defile if Paladin stays at like a 20% playrate.

[cold sundial]

Paladin in top 1k halved in popularity over the weekend

Still all over D-L though

Sludge is quickly gaining traction as the top Aggro deck in both popularity and strength in top 1k

Legend stats since the patch

Forge, fatigue look good

[weary steppe]

Yeah those Monstrous Form stats were interesting.

[cold sundial]

Monstrous form

[weary steppe]

I haven't actually seen it in any lists

[cold sundial]

It was in previous lists

[jaunty slate]

I saw banter play some with monstrous form

It's nutty with forge

[cold sundial]

Horror looking good

[weary steppe]

Yeah - I remembered it from before and that it was good with Forge. I just haven't seen it since the balance patch

[jaunty slate]

And sludge in wherls

[cold sundial]

New taunt is worse then just running form though

[weary steppe]

yeah - thats why I cut it to 1. B/c there's that 1 totally random slot

[spiral lichen]

but then again sometimes it wins games on its own

[cold sundial]

I think we generally want salesman and trolley though

[jaunty slate]

Is symphony good

[cold sundial]

It’s basically fireball

[jaunty slate]

Hmm

[cold sundial]

We mostly use it for six damage

Obviously the nuts with +6/+6 and forge

[jaunty slate]

Wbt the freeze card

Is that good

[cold sundial]

Looks very mid

[weary steppe]

Freeze card looks like garbo

[cold sundial]

52/52

[jaunty slate]

I thought so

[jaunty slate]

So what would be the best list now

If u were to guess one

[cold sundial]

Always a mistake to build just from stats

[spiral lichen]

tried a lot of them but the original donkey one seemed the best to me

[cold sundial]

But horror and fatigue look good overall

[jaunty slate]

I don't like gloom guardian

I removed it

[cold sundial]

Yeah like I said gloom is a little disappointing

[jaunty slate]

Its a feel bad card

[cold sundial]

I thought it was going to be a slam

Some mid drawn WR cards

A lot of interchangeable cards

[jaunty slate]

True

[cold sundial]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 6840
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Monstrous Form
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
# 🟨 1x (30) Fanottem, Lord of the Opera
AAECAf0GAqzpBYCeBg6bzQPHwgXIwgXdwgXO+gXX+gXm/wWFjgaVlwaWlwaXlwaioAaroAamqAYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9975012

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9975012

[cold sundial]

Kind of a stats based approach

With fanottem for the culture

I like tour guide if we cut fuel

List feels clean though

I think tosser is the general flex spot

[summer phoenix]

I had a funny mirror the other day where I cleared with chaos + sludges (gross I know) They chaos'd me back and pulled a mukla

[rare moat]

Wait this is the cook?

[summer phoenix]

I was briefly angry and then realized they were at 8 health. Bad low roll for them 😂

[rare moat]

Yep because he's best when he can discard something

[steel nexus]

Are these archetype card stats?

[cold sundial]

No I just put this together from HSR stats

[summer phoenix]

I don't hate gloom but ya targeted discards are preferable to random

[cold sundial]

Which is kind of a terrible way to build lol

Fuel especially is hard to assess

[rare moat]

In this discard list we need a low curve and there are alot of cards above 3 mana so I plan on trimming that

[steel nexus]

Don't use archetype card stats on hsreplay, they're not normalized

[cold sundial]

Yeah I know

But the list looks reasonable

[steel nexus]

You can use them on my site because I normalize them

[rare moat]

Wym normalize

[cold sundial]

I keep forgetting you have the new feature

[steel nexus]

Fannotem sucks, I played with it way too much

[summer phoenix]

Site is cool, I keep looking for a page to give disclaimers of difference between mull winrate vs keep winrate.

[cold sundial]

Form is not on here to assess, unfortunately

[summer phoenix]

Sorry I meant "mulligan impact" vs "keep impact" I'm never quite sure what the methodology is there

[cold sundial]

Geode looks good

[jaunty slate]

When do we judge a card by it's Mulligan wr and when do we judge it by drawn wr

[cold sundial]

I’m not the expert but generally mull is when a card is when it ends up in our hand

Kept is more important

It’s when we choose to keep it

[steel nexus]

I generally use mull when deciding,

[cold sundial]

Oh ok

[steel nexus]

Mull for keeping the mull, drawn for keeping it in the list

[cold sundial]

Mentally I was treating mull / kept like played / drawn

[steel nexus]

You can alter the minimums

Kept impact was something I added unsure of how useful it will be. In my experience it's most informative when comparing to mull impact and whether there is a difference.

[summer phoenix]

So if I understand, "kept" is unintentionally kept in opener vs intentionally kept?

[cold sundial]

Thanks. Monstrous form still looks good, although not outstanding

Better then gloom by a bit

Geode looking good in horror builds

So previous list with geode over tosser

[weary steppe]

Tour Guide should be Geode I think

And you just run Salesman and Flame Imp as your 1 drops

Anecdotally, Tosser is too useful to cut

I think people just don't "toss" him out as much as they should.

[cold sundial]

Yeah all good suggestions

[rare moat]

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[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 4800
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# ⬜ 2x (3) Furnace Fuel
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# ⬜ 1x (3) Walking Dead
# 🟦 2x (4) Gloomstone Guardian
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# 🟦 2x (5) Savage Ymirjar
# 🟦 2x (5) Soul Barrage
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
AAECAf0GApiSBYCeBg6rkgWxkgXO+gWFjgaVlwaWlwaXlwaYlwaboAajoAaroAbXogb3owamqAYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9976667

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9976667

[rare moat]

This deck is busted

I'm slaying every matchup with it

[steep narwhal]

how is Insanity showing up so high

on drawn 500 using d0nkey

Encroaching Insanity in Sludge Archtpye*

[rare moat]

It's high drawn because you need that card to win

Preferably both of them

[normal quail]

Ok I was on dh but back to sludge now

Sludge is slappin

[cold sundial]

@rare moat no supplies? This is the one deck I could see it working in

[rare moat]

I mean it could go in here but I think all the cards in it are better

You're welcome to try it but I don't believe enough

[normal quail]

This list is good

I usually like symphony

But it does mess with chaos somewhat

I’m not as big of a fan of the discard lists because the random discards stress me out lmao

You could swap out fanottem for darkhan

I get that fanottem is cool but I love cards that deal face dmg on the same turn

[rare moat]

Yeah the discard is cool but you don't really go for it until you've played your tempo

It's a tempo deck so you make board and when your hand has nothing but juice left you start discarding it

[normal quail]

Yeah I tried one a few days ago, it was turn 5 and I had 4 sludges and a fuel in my hand, 1 crescendo, 1 chaos, and 1 jar. Of course jar discards the chaos and crescendo 🙄🙄🙄

There are situations with the deck no matter what where you need to make a play and roll the dice on the discard

And the whole dice rolling thing can be infuriating

[rare moat]

Yeah I recently had something like this happen

What's crazy tho

You discard all the wrong cards but then opponent concedes

Long as you focus on tempo you should at least climb

[summer phoenix]

Targeted discards > random discards.

[cedar perch]

having a lot of success w/ this list, 258 legend rn

AAECAf0GApiXBoCeBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXO+gWFjgaVlwaXlwaEngaioAajoAaroAbXogamqAYAAA==

[pearl radish]

### Sludge Warlock
# Cost: 5400
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 🟦 2x (1) Fracking
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# ⬜ 1x (1) Tram Mechanic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Baritone Imp
# 🟦 2x (2) Crescendo
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# 🟦 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 🟦 2x (3) Sludge on Wheels
# ⬜ 2x (3) Trogg Gemtosser
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# 🟪 2x (4) Crazed Conductor
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (6) Chaos Creation
# 🟪 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
AAECAf0GApiXBoCeBg6EoATHwgXIwgXdwgXO+gWFjgaVlwaXlwaEngaioAajoAaroAbXogamqAYAAA==
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9977823

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9977823

[cedar perch]

experimenting with cutting 2x fracking, 1x tram mechanic, and 1x salesman for 2x forge 2x waste remover

fracking def seems pretty bad

mechanic seems rly bad too, idk why it isnt a 2/2

[rare moat]

Lol it's pretty rare to print blazing battlemage

[cold sundial]

I just keep killing myself with the horror package

Great into Druid

But seems high risk against anything else

[rare moat]

It should just consist of flame imp geode and soul freeze

Or tour guide over freeze

Personally I'm gonna try spirit bomb in that slot

[cedar perch]

personally I have 0 trouble discounting horror with flame imp/tour guide/geode + fatigue package

[weary steppe]

Is the random 1-of that’s available on most decks ever just Pozzik? Generic good aggro 4-drop

[cold sundial]

Four drop slot already has lots of good options

[weary steppe]

Is it worse than 1 random copy of Tram Mechanic or Furnace Fire?

IDK

[rare moat]

Pozzik is good but we need a good aggro option that's cheaper

4 drops are crowded

[rotund oar]

horror with only 2 guide/geode for self dmg?

[summer phoenix]

Interesting. I was considering pivoting into that package specifically because ramp druid does nothing to kill you. How fast are horrors coming down for people? Turn 3?

I tend to hate weak self damage stuff like geode/tour guide because they just fill boards slots that druid is happy to let you board lock yourself with.

[jaunty slate]

nah I think they come around turrn4/6

[cold sundial]

Yeah I was getting board locked with tour guide

It’s a great point @summer phoenix

[summer phoenix]

Defile to self clear and proc sludge on wheels 😂

I saw zero paladins yesterday. VS podcast prescient...although sometimes I wonder if that's VS predicting meta or meta following VS's lead. 🙂

[jaunty slate]

Kinda both

[cold sundial]

Yeah Paladin is dropping off fast

At least in 1k

Especially if you’re playing in top 200 you’ll almost never see it except for a few hold outs like banana god

The rogue mu is too oppressive for it

[jaunty slate]

i actually. Liked paladin

sad to see it being unplayble

vs rogue

[quartz shell]

Ngl Gloomstone feels a cut for me

Too slow?

And I'm a bit dubious about forge of wills

[cold sundial]

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[rare moat]

Yep cut forge and gloomstone

[cold sundial]

You can’t stop the snake train

[rare moat]

I got rekt by a snekker

But just cuz I got cleared too much

[cold sundial]

It’s still a lot of life steal

Here we often only bounce it once, at that

This is pretty mid range