https://hsreplay.net/replay/7SiaNb26F2zPFr4i9B9DMA
was there anything i couldve done better here? i felt like i played to dig out evoker really hard
#Big Demon DH
sinful island
calm ledge
The good match ups, frost and blood, seem increasingly less common
mental hornet
Can't tell if I'm lucky but the deck still feels really solid, 14-4 this season at ×11 starbonus, Rhapsody feels great!
calm ledge
Nice! Crushclaw list?
mental hornet
A version of it, double Immolation Aura and double Rhapsody.
mental hornet
ETC with Astalor, Eye Beam and some other card. The original idea was to put Xhilag there, but I've realised that I never want to pick it. ETC + Eye Beam in turn 5 is solid versus more aggressive decks, which also invokes Felscale on curve. Cutting Abyssal Depths, Xhilag, one Eye Beam and both Spectral Sight from the standard list, card draw is rarely a problem anyway and Rhapsody sometimes draws three.
violet tendon
ETC with Astalor, Eye Beam and some other card. The original idea was to put Xhi...
could you perhaps send your list?
mental hornet
Rhapsody DH
Class: Demon Hunter
Format: Standard
Year of the Wolf
2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
2x (1) Illidari Studies
2x (1) Taste of Chaos
2x (1) Unleash Fel
2x (2) Chaos Strike
2x (2) Immolation Aura
1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
1x (3) Eye Beam
2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
1x (3) Eye Beam
1x (4) Kayn Sunfury
1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
2x (5) Remixed Rhapsody
2x (6) Felscale Evoker
2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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Not saying that it is necessarily better than the standard list, but Rhapsody in particular has saved me a number of times and is a superfun card 🙂
lunar meteor
S'theno got put into a watery grave, so ig it's time to go back to big dh.
Whiile the crushclaw builds already looked better than the stheno builds pre-nerf, post-nerf it's no question that crushclaw builds are the way to go.
The VS crushclaw build has been the same for a whle now due to a lack of playrate and experimentation with the deck, so using the VS build as the base, I think with experimentation and optimization bg dh could become a top deck in the new meta(just dodge druids).
Interesting Additions:
Glaivetar: If you run glaivetar you can cut some cards to run some more outcast cards(though this isn't really needed), and glaivetar gives you a lot more burn and draw post-evoker and is really good at finishing games. Having weapons also makes playing evoker on curve into inquisitor easier, as you no longer need dispose. Glaivetar seems great in slower matchups as it draws into AFBL late, but it is far less useful vs fast decks.
Souleater's Scythe: Souleater Scythe makes drawing Evoker more consistent, as if Scythe hits 1 Evoker, any soul draw will discover Evoker. The 1 cost souls are also more souls that can proc your Evokers, basically adding 3 cheap spells to your deck. Don't disregard the 4/2 weapon either! The problem with Souleater's Scythe is that it can hit your big demons, making it more likely that you end up with 0 demons left to pull.
Kayn Sunfury: Kayn is an interesting tech card to bypass taunts, especially useful vs druid's annoying Flesh Behemoths, and can be useful vs stuff like Embers of Strength. However, Kayn is only useful if you actually manage to stick a demon on the board and the opponent has taunts.
Remixed Rhapsody: AOE is always good in the deck, and on its own all the options are really strong. However, Rhapsody is quite inconsistent, and its also useless vs decks like Control Priest while not benig big enough to clear enrage warrior boards.
Topple The Idol: While Remixed Rhapsody isn't big enough to clear enrage warrior boards, perhaps Topple can. While Topple is even more inconsistent than Remixed Rhapsody, Topple the Idol is perhaps the only way to deal with warrior's huge high hp boards by nuking it with a 8-9 damage aoe.
Astalor: It's Astalor. It's an interesting inclusion in almost every deck, and it's good vs slower decks and adds more burn and a better curve to the deck.
Less Interesting Additions:
E.T.C. Band Manager: You can fit so many tech cards in ETC! Probably better just to run good cards though.
Royal Libarian: Its great tech vs Whomper and Slime, but Druid can just play their location first and then proc Whomper on the same turn. Druid doesn't always draw locatioin though, and this might catch some Druids off guard.
Lorthemar Theron: Want to wreck control priest? Just run Theron and smack them with 16/16 inquisitors! Super slow though.
Queen Azshara: You have to cut crushclaw for this, but it can double AFBL and its got synergy with Evoker as they share the same condition.
Treasure Guard: You gotta cut enforcer, but taunt is good.
Sunfury Clergy: Idk. Its healing? I think miracle rogue ran this once(in etc), you can heal your big demons and your face ig.
Enchanter: Probably just a way worse arcanist.
Bone Glaive: It's so much burn! Anti-synergy with Glaivetar and Scythe though, and it's also really slow.
Going Down Swiniging: I saw some people running this in spell dh? Idk, it seems garbage to me but ig its aoe.
Rythmndancer Risa: It got buffed! Still seems like garbage to me, but who knows, you can rush this into minions a bunch.
Immolation Aura: Historically terrible in stats, but its cheap aoe.
Meltranix: If relic dh can run meltranix, why not big dh? It's probably really bad though, harder to combine 5/6/8+4 than 3+4.
Glaiveshark: I mean its aoe lol. Prob garbo.
Armor Vendor: Helps you live longer? Idk.
Possible Cuts:
Chaos Strike: Chaos Strike is and has always been filler, but its pretty decent in Big DH because its a spell for Evoker and drawing is nice for drawing Evoker.
Crushclaw Enforcer: While Crushclaw tutors the best card in the deck, it's quite annoying to have to play 1 spell, then enforcer, then 3 more spells, and frankly Crushclaw card isn't all that amazing. Even though you don't run S'theno, you can still run some other nagas if you cut Crushclaw Enforcer.
Abyssal Depths: This card is like really bad. It draws arcanist but its 3 mana. I don't know why this is still in the deck. Cut it.
Felerin the Forgotten: As a 4 drop it competes with the interesting 4 drops you might add to the deck(though it has synergy w/ glaivetar). Felerin also has gotten worse with the addition of Tough Crowd to its pool. Overall, it's pretty meh and easily cutable.
Xhilag: I don't like Xhilag! Having a big demon to cheat out is extremely consistent even without Xhilag, and Xhilag is often really bad to pull out with Evoker, and also can mess up AFBL. If you run Souleater Scythe though, having the extra demon for consisitency could be really nice.
lucid grove
who wrote this
cosmic zinc
This is what happens when Reddit is gone
Good post if you wrote it yourself DSSC
Druid seems like the problem for the deck it still I think beats control priest and blood dk
Enrage is getting smoked by Druid so I think streamers are swapping off it
lunar meteor
I went 0-5 vs druid
I think you gotta run topple the idol rn which means you cant run souleater's scythe
idk about kayn tbh, like its not even that good vs druid its so niche
calm ledge
if you want, ETC isn't terrible if your band is through fel or flame, coronor, something else
the most important thing is the through fel or flame, making etc 5/5 rush, and access to a silence
I'm still a little sad that lady paid the price for the sins of spell dh. that version was still my favorite
lunar meteor
The deck should be very favored into all the slow decks like cpriest/bdk/cmage
calm ledge
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wheat stirrupBOT
### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 3620
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) SECURITY!!
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟦 2x (4) Glaivetar
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/5185076
this was my take on the glaivetar build
it was... ok. hard to tell, I was getting wrecked by paladin on ladder
glaivetar typically only drew 2 cards
the extra face damage obliterates any turtle priest deck though
lucid grove
enjoyment-wise this is the deck that got hit the hardest by s'theno nerf for me tbh
like goddamn the deck feels so rigid without her
it was an absolute blast to play with her and now it's just not usable
I could never enjoy spell dh anyway so I'll mourn s'theno big dh 
calm ledge
Same. I much preferred the lady build. In the end, I’m glad it’s still a viable tier 2/3 deck
lunar meteor
Kept losing with burn mage today so I switched to big dh and I went 7-2 in legend with it, im pretty sure this is the like the perfect 29 cards with chaos strike being likely unoptimal
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wheat stirrupBOT
### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 3640
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 1x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (4) Glaivetar
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# 🟨 1x (4) Souleater's Scythe
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (5) Remixed Rhapsody
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/5860218
i would try out going down swinging nsttead of chaos strike if I owned the card, maybe you do just put xhiilag in but I honestly dont like the card
i feel like crushclaw is kinda shit with scythe, felerin feels very mediocre
I would also try out qazshara if I owned the card insitead of chaos strike
actually maybe the play is e.t.c with coroner/fel and flames/finley
lunar meteor
if you want, ETC isn't terrible if your band is through fel or flame, coronor, s...
this is a genius idea and definitely the play
Stats from today
lunar meteor
Matchups for the spell big dh build from my experience, ordered from best to worst:
Great matchups:
Cpriest - Too much burn for them to handle
Spooky mage - Too much burn for them to handle
BDK - Too much burn for them to handle
Relic Dh - Too much burn for them to handle
Even matchups:
Hound hunter - Sometimes you lose to tempo but usually you can kill them before they do their greedy stuff
Pure paly - Sometimes they go under the deck but your removals are insanely effecient and you kill b4 their late game stuff
Unfavorable matchups:
Outcast Dh - Outcast just gets under the deck a lot of the time, but your removals are super effecient so its close
Udk - Also gets under the deck a lot of the time, but rhapsody is amazing here and its pretty close
Enrage warrior - Boards get too big to deal with but you can try to kill them quickly and its not too bad
Terrible matchups:
Chad druid - Chad druid boards are impossible for the deck to deal with, and you almost never get under the deck
Any decks I didn't mention are bc i haven't faced them enough to get a good opinion on
cosmic zinc
So ETC of Coroner, Fel and Flames, and Xhilag?
Instead of Chaos strike?
Or is Finley better over Xhil in ETC
cosmic zinc
Yeah I wonder how ETC looks in warrior/dh with fel and flames
Banter was playing enrage warriors trying it
calm ledge
Banter was playing big dh? Or against?
cosmic zinc
He was on mage but opponent warriors were trying ETC
lucid grove
I'm running a version with less changes now
But it's been going well
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wheat stirrupBOT
### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 3540
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (5) Remixed Rhapsody
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/5751840
rhapsody seems like it could help the bad match ups (except druid)
lucid grove
yeah I'm quite liking it
lucid grove
I just missed the coolest lethal
by using rhapsody on my annihilans
only saw it right after
lucid grove
priest ratted my evoker, this is 3 turns later
don't concede on a fortunate rat, play it out
PUNISH THEM
cosmic zinc
Well enjoy beating priest for the next 3 weeks
lucid grove
😭
lunar meteor
mental hornet
I played with Rhapsody in the deck all of last season between 1k and 2k legend with a 60% winrate, and I consistently found that spell incredibly useful. I can't believe how bad its stats are according to HS Replay since this doesn't line up at all with my experience.
By the way, I also included Astalor in ETC and double Immolation Aura (which both helped versus aggressive decks and could deal face damage with Annihilan).
lucid grove
Yeah I'm loving rhapsody too
cosmic zinc
I think I might green rag in spell DH post Druid nerfs if it’s all control priest
Just so good against priest with Rez
And taste of chaos offers it so much
lucid grove
hmmm
lunar meteor
if chad druid its gone its big dh's time to shine
cosmic zinc
How is it into spell DH
lunar meteor
no clue i havent seen it
you should kill faster though bc they have to deal with your minions too(or take 16 damage from illidari iniquis) while you can just point everything face
calm ledge
Big taunts are good against spell dh, but we have to find them in time, before they can just burn us down with war bands
Xhi doesn’t do much in that match up because if unleash fel, and one inquisitor isn’t going to race them as well as we’d like
calm ledge
Relics? Maybe worth revisiting
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 4620
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Relic of Extinction
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (2) Relic Vault
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Relic of Phantasms
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟪 2x (6) Relic of Dimensions
# 🟨 1x (8) Artificer Xy'mox
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/5938708
the mull is pretty similar to normal relic, except we keep evoker, crushclaw
try and muck up the opponents early game with relic of extinctions, follow up with a very strong late game of big green men
dimensions won't usually give us great discounts past 3, but it's still a nice draw engine
probably not any better then normal relic lists, but maybe not too much worse either!
mental hornet
Interesting idea, but I think Relic Vault has quite bad synergy with both Crushclaw and Felscale, for example you REALLY want to play either of Chaos Strike, Spectral Sight or Immolation Aura in turn 2 into a turn 3 Crushclaw.
sacred sequoia
I think Finley might do really well in a relic/big list
calm ledge
I had Finley in my first list
it was OKish
we are also not as dependent on crushclaw if we have relics
we can take a little more time
relics seem pretty promising
just don't overvalue dimensions, and don't worry as much about crushclaw. it's nice in the mull, but it's not essential to the deck
the deck runs a little slower
but has a huge amount of sustained threat, and good late game from hand damage
mental hornet
Perhaps then it's actually better to just drop Crushclaw from the list?
sacred sequoia
I dropped it together with dispose of evidence and put in 2x vizier and finley
mental hornet
Awaiting your impressions, on vacation so not playing until Sunday 🙂
calm ledge
if you want to absolutely obliterate control, big relic is the way to go
sacred sequoia
Went 3-0 against paladin rn, so that matchup doesnt seem to bad either (i feel like paladins got a lot slower, maybe they were just unlucky....)
sacred sequoia
paladin got a lot better
you mean the matchup for us? or that paladins themselves got better?
calm ledge
oh the paladin match up for us got better
paladin is generally not as good. it's fine, but not op
cosmic zinc
And if you really want to beat priest add Fizzle lol
I’ll try this relic list though just looking for anything new
How could you improve Hunter and enrage MUs? Though seem like the decks that will increase the most post Chad nerf
lucid grove
They really had to rotate all the attack buffs before releasing it
calm ledge
if you have ETC, you could try through fel and flame, apple, coroner
apple for when you need to bridge into turn 6 unleash
lucid grove
Apple?
calm ledge
[[ Applebaum ]]
wheat stirrupBOT
cosmic zinc
Applebaum
This big relic list felt good first game
You get more chances at high mulligan win cards
calm ledge
yeah, lots of good mull targets
cosmic zinc
Yeah idk what you could even cut in this list
lucid grove
Ooooh
cosmic zinc
Alright priest boss now
Yeah I’m keeping Evoker crushclaw vault and relics if I have vault
cosmic zinc
Big relic
sacred sequoia
i am probably stupid for considering it...but what if we Renathal? 🤔 
lucid grove
i am probably stupid for considering it...but what if we Renathal? 🤔 <:KEKWait...
Yeah we never renathal
Deck is made of important key cards
Dilution has bigger impact
calm ledge
I have "Relic of Big" in my library
sacred sequoia
Yeah we never renathal
Good,- thank you. You just saved me 5 minutes of building the deck just to discard it again, when i get to think properly again 😄
calm ledge
we still run dispose
lucid grove
Ok good
cosmic zinc
We’ll rip priest discovered drown of course
calm ledge
yeah and there's a new evolve list
lucid grove
F
calm ledge
but big green men carry
lucid grove
Good,- thank you. You just saved me 5 minutes of building the deck just to disca...
lol no problem, I wanted to include renathal in dh back when it was oppressively op but it has counter synergy with relic
sacred sequoia
I mean it has synergy in the sense, that you can include all them decent discover-cards, which we are missing out on. It is bad, because we lose 
lucid grove
LMAO
Dh as class always runs so little discover
It just has the draw to use the whole deck instead
sacred sequoia
You think? I think Relic wants/likes a decent amount of discover. I love Vizier/teacher there ( i am using vizier rn instead of dispose,- might be wrong on that though) But yeah, compared to something like DK (do they even put anything in their deck or do they just discover...) we are pretty light there.
lucid grove
Yeah even the control deck of the class runs only a handful of discovers
Before illidari studies came back it was literally no discovers in a bunch of decks
sacred sequoia
On another note,- deck works great so far in diamond 4 (7-1),- i am not sure we need/want Felscreamer since the deck is less one-dimensional.
cosmic zinc
Omg I won still I love this deck
lucid grove
LMAO
cosmic zinc
Even after priest healed to full with arcanist fel and stole my discounted pit lord
And drowned the first demon
lucid grove
How does big and big relic fare against spell
cosmic zinc
They lost cause they ratted Xymox
lucid grove
Maybe this is the technology to curb priest once and for all
cosmic zinc
So I Infused rezzed and otk
lucid grove
Is xhilag dropped?
calm ledge
xhi might be OKish now
typically we don't want to diulte our all fel pool
plus board space with relic of dimensions
spell would probably be a tough match up unless we find an early brutal or something
or if we run ETC, apple is good there
lucid grove
Couldn't we also hard run applebaum
calm ledge
it's not a terrible idea
we could also potentially cut felerin for ETC
I think it's kind of cute that if we discount felscreamer from relic, that gives us a free 4/4
cosmic zinc
The hard part is what do you cut in the above list
3-0 now with it just beat enrage
The list is also fun with relics
Even when you don’t draw evoker
lucid grove
I was gonna read a book for my test friday but I need to do this now
another world eight breakthrough
cosmic zinc
Wtf this is broken
4-0 now
I think the list above might be perfect 30
Maybe you could argue crushclaw is cuttable I guess or one raging
Dimensions also feels so good in this deck
You aren’t hitting a bunch of low cost stuff
lucid grove
yeah that must feel great
calm ledge
I'm just using the one I posted above
oh it doesn't
oops, lol
I built it from scratch again
obviously we can cut him!
lucid grove
yeah I think he's a cut
calm ledge
yeah I can't think of anything I'd want to cut from the list above other then one screamer, but they are very useful
not great, but OK
usually it leads to a turn 6 inquisitor
which is fine
lucid grove
maybe applebaum over them
I think this deck has a straight pass to t1 if it goes even with spell
cosmic zinc
They with screamer is if you get one off dimensions you can omega discount your demons
If you also hit a demon
cosmic zinc
This list just makes big dh feel fun because it isn’t a pray for evoker/crusher mulligan
lucid grove
true
calm ledge
It kind of reminds me of gnoll evolve shaman
Possible early game scams, but a great late game
We can still evoker on 4
cosmic zinc
6-1 now at high legend so it’s good so far
Only loss was to a relic dh that had the nuts relic draw
lucid grove
I'm not having success with it
lucid grove
I got beat by a pirate rogue 😭
cosmic zinc
Well now lost two in a row to outcast
lucid grove
yeah I'm flopping with this
cosmic zinc
Yeah aggro is a bit tough idk what to change for that
But it feels great against midrang rand control
lucid grove
I need to see what y'all doing because I just can't get it to work
sacred sequoia
which ranks are you currently playing in? @lucid grove
lucid grove
started d3
cosmic zinc
You are probably seeing way more aggro
I’m at high legend so all aggro is gone besides outcast. And we’ll Blaze the lone pure Paladin NA player
mental hornet
Not a fan of running Applebaum for aggressive opponents, in my opinion it's much better to destroy their board in turn 5 with Rhapsody.
cosmic zinc
Yeah I’m just going 50/50 atm but Chad Druids are still in the meta
sacred sequoia
thats a juicy hand
Also, have to admit Crushclaw should definetely be in the deck. (even though i still dont like the card)
sacred sequoia
stats for the day,- from d3-d5. Just ignore the etc.,.. 😄
cosmic zinc
Nicee
Maybe it is worth cutting Dispose idk
I wanted to try Rhapsody Remix in there
sacred sequoia
ye, i am not too big on the card in this variation, but it helps finding lethal or t6 activation for inquisitors
south spire
Creepy painting moment
cosmic zinc
O I didn’t see you cut raging too but maybe that’s the play
Raging doesn’t always feel great discounting evoker cause of getting spells off, and you now run dimensions for bigger minions
Would we put Xhilag in ETC?
calm ledge
we could put the second copy of dispose in etc
it's actually a pretty situational card
cosmic zinc
Yeah it’s not even garunteed to hit the demon you want shuffled
Biggest use is just the attack on 6
And being a spell
calm ledge
I think cutting a dispose for etc is smart though
calm ledge
what I'm going to try for now is actually cutting both dispose for two vizier
no etc, keep felscreamers
vizier is kind of interesting here because we can aggressively target low cost spells early on, and potentially find another all fel later
I think one of the challenges the deck is having is that transition from turn 3-5, and not comletely losing the tempo of the game
cosmic zinc
Yeah or another relic
Yeah turns 3-5 are the weakest. I was thinking maybe Rhapsody as another aoe but viziers are better I think
calm ledge
it looks so clean
mental hornet
Tried it and it obviously feels very strong into slower decks, somewhat weak to aggressive decks though. Perhaps the most interesting question is, how does it perform in the matchups versus standard Relic DH and standard Big DH?
lucid grove
Yeah would be good to see the matchup spreads
calm ledge
No idea against big dh, felt even into other relic lists. We have better from hand lethality, and our phantasms can generally be the same size
I think cutting dispose for vizier gives us more early game wiggle room, but if we draw all the big demons early against aggro, the pain is very real
cosmic zinc
Yeah it felt like the priest matchup felt even easier
spare needle
I will try the list with vizier. I think I would like to play a big dh/relic deck
Sounds fun
calm ledge
yeah it's pretty fun
just don't draw patches
we have many better mull targets now too
since we want to keep vault
and sometimes extinction
spare needle
What inspired this deck? Trying to get the best of both worlds?
calm ledge
actually I was playing some spell / relic
got frustrated, went back to big
after facing a million priests
and then I wanted to double down on killing them
very good blood match up, hunter is fine depending on their early game
the more hunter runs the xl package, the less likely they are to snowball
but generally I was dissapointed that we haven't been doing anything new in big for a while (except for the scythe build)
sacred sequoia
in a case like this would i ever keep relic+ vizier? 🤔
calm ledge
honestly that's a full pitch for me
phantasms into vizier is fine, but on the coin one of the best ways to win is through our evoker scam
I'd rather reroll in hopes of finding one of the nagas
I would keep studies, vault, or taste of chaos by itself though
maybe not taste
sacred sequoia
honestly that's a full pitch for me
yeah, thought so. I just wondered if there´s a good case for a keep if you can expect youre opponent to give you time, but i guess in that case we still want to go for best case, since we can end early if we draw well.
cosmic zinc
Yeah studies, vault, taste against aggro, and Evoker/Crusher
Do we not keep raging I guess?
Haven’t been able to play post patch yet but wonder how big relic is with no chads
cosmic zinc
I was seeing more aggro so went back to Big Spell DH list
sacred sequoia
Wtf, how are these stats real 
calm ledge
It’s me
south spire
Real
cinder wharf
oh god
lunar meteor
Why does nobody run queen azshara in big dh
lucid grove
fucks up the tutor
lunar meteor
Just cut the tutor and run souleater scythe
lucid grove
you can try it
lunar meteor
I don’t have queen azshara
lucid grove
F
lunar meteor
I’m also like the only person that’s playing big dh in legend lol
lucid grove
LMAO
lunar meteor
Last I checked I’m the only person with big dh stats on d0nkey legend this patch
There’s literally 1 big dh deck on those stats filtering by min 50 games and that’s the list im playing and all the games are me
lucid grove
that's so funny
lunar meteor
Wait no another one popped up
cosmic zinc
I was playing it in top 200 some
but stopped cause wasnt sereing alot of priests or relic
calm ledge
Are we still jamming scythe? The build seemed good to me
I rebuilt it from memory and forgot to include all fel. Only took me three loses to wonder where it was hiding in the deck
cosmic zinc
I was doing scythe and it felt decent
I was testing out ETC but didnt feel that great
with fel and flames, finley, Xhilag
One thing about scythe is people rat on 2 lol
so sometimes you get a big minion out for free
Im not sure if Remixed Rhapsody is good or not though, its just expensive in this deck
calm ledge
fossil fanatic is showing a lot of promise on hsr
lunar meteor
mental hornet
I love the fact that so few people play Big DH right now, less than 1% in legend according to HS Replay. I just started my ×11 monthly climb yesterday with my Rhapsody/Immolation/ETC version, 4-1 so far and the deck still feels rock solid. 🙂
Last month I included Xhilag in ETC for a while alongside Astalor, but it turned out that I never wanted to pick it so I threw it out. In my experience, Whether you play versus slow or aggressive decks, Xhilag simply doesn't fit into the gameplan.
calm ledge
@cosmic zinc is this you
cosmic zinc
I was running Dssc scythe version so doubt it lol
I think the normal crusher list is doing that?
What is the current best list now?
calm ledge
depths is the only one that sees any recorded play
but the scythe build is showing up in the card specific results
showing it might be the "best build"
lunar meteor
uh i think thats just low sample size, souleater's scythe should not be so high drawn wr lmao
calm ledge
unless the deck is at 70% WR
lunar meteor
legit though vanilla 4/2 weapon is better than depths
calm ledge
from D-L, where we have more samples, fanatic still looks good
I don't know if that means we have to run grasp to use it effectively though
calm ledge
idk about atrocious
I think we would only keep it with fanatic
we could potentially run it instead of dispose
the low sample size, but high wr of treasure guard and rhapsody makes me wonder if applebaum would make sense
just hard running it
we already do really well against slow decks
lunar meteor
yeah this is the best card in the deck
basalpeh is not a real card that exists
its just ur imagination it was never printed
cosmic zinc
What list are you running now
Warrior and outcast are the two worst MUs of the popular decks for big
lunar meteor
literally still running the same list
man, I got ratted on 2 but i didnt have any big demons in hand
so sad
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 5240
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# 🟨 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (4) Glaivetar
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# 🟨 1x (4) Souleater's Scythe
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (5) Remixed Rhapsody
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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Looks good, the only card that seems sus is Finley. Don’t we want a really tight minion pool to maximize the chance evoker will be in it?
lunar meteor
yeah, but it also makes it more likely to draw too many demons which finley helps with, and while I would like to try running going down swinging, i simply dont own the card
I think going down swinging would be really good esp in this burn-focused list tbh
cosmic zinc
Yeah I don’t have going down either
I tried Finley in ETC with through fel and flames and Xhilag
cosmic zinc
Maybe with Finley you could drop dispose for something like chaos strike?
I wasn’t sure if remixed felt good or not but not any stats on it in big
lunar meteor
idk dispose is so much burn
cosmic zinc
Yeah I just was never hitting my big minions but it’s a good free spell on 6
lunar meteor
it also allows you to hit face immediatly with inquisitor w/o hero power which can allow you to play your inquisitor a turn early or deal 11 extra damage
calm ledge
@lunar meteor your list feels really good. took out finley for going down swinging, rhapsody for chaos strike
we end up in a bit of trouble still against snowball decks, but having a tight sycthe pool is nice
cosmic zinc
Ya I liked chaos strike over rhapsody
calm ledge
especially with going down swinging
occasionally we get a reno on 6, board clear on 7
but going down swinging is very good with dispose
cosmic zinc
I have 15k dust if I dust stuff I wonder if I should just craft it…
Going down is also amazing into warrior
I didn’t have it when playing spell dh so it was a lot harder
Cause rhapsody 6 dmg clear triggers anima twice
calm ledge
going down is also going to be in standard until the end of 2024
if you like DH, I expect a weapon DH at some point
especially with bassist
cosmic zinc
welp crafted it will test it after i do these boring Battleground quests
ill just DE all the golden cards from twist packs
cosmic zinc
well lost to two control priest fml
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 8520
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Fossil Fanatic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟪 1x (3) Eye Beam
# 🟨 1x (7) Xhilag of the Abyss
# 🟦 1x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟦 2x (4) Glaivetar
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟨 1x (5) Going Down Swinging
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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Running this list right now
not sure if enough spells but was trying to cut down on the worse fel spells so fanatic can draw All Fel/Unleash more
lucid grove
interesting
cosmic zinc
ETC was just cause i wanted another spell that couldnt mess up fanatic
so threw xhilag in there
but 4 slot is already heavy
but if i added another spell in it would be chaos strike and cut ETC/Felerin
mental hornet
In which matchups would you ever pick Xhilag? I had it in ETC for a couple of weeks last season but didn't pick it a single time.
cosmic zinc
I think its just if ineed to infuse an all fel break lose that i drew late? but ya not sure
cosmic zinc
Okay Im 7-0 with the list above
it feels pretty good with fanatic and only good fel spells
calm ledge
I’m not sold on the ETC band
But I like the idea of fanatics
I do see the reasons to tuck fel spells in ETC, I’ll have to try it out
cosmic zinc
Yeah im not sure of the ETC its okay for now
but still like fanatics and less fel spells so far
Im now 11-2 with it
I got off a fanatic + Going down too
lunar meteor
haha I just got 5x illidari inquisitors in one turn vs priest
spare needle
What do we think about the potential changes so far with Big DH? Anyone having success with rhapsody?
cosmic zinc
I’m barely seeing aggro in my meta so it didn’t feel great
Mainly facing control priest, Hunter, enrage, and miracle
And sometimes outcast which it is useful for but not so much the others
lucid grove
I like rhapsody a lot
lucid grove
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 3540
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (5) Remixed Rhapsody
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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craggy gorge
I switched from Outcast to ETC Big DH for the final push for legend and I got there with a 12-5 record. Really liking the inclusion of Glaivetar and Fossil Fanatic
sacred sequoia
in this case i kept unleash fel in my opening hand ebcause i am playing against paladin,- would you say that is correct or is that a card to mull away? (in this case evoker and studies were already in hand as well...)
cosmic zinc
I think I would have kept as well considering what else was in your hand
cosmic zinc
Yeah might sub etc out for just a Rhapsody
Haven’t needed Xhilag at all
And Xhilag feels too slow into aggro where it would be better
cosmic zinc
Yeah one rhapsody for etc is good
I still see enough spooky mages that going down swinging feels okay but could swap that 2nd rhapsody
lunar meteor
Yooo
took a while but got to top 100 with pretty much only spell big dh
aside from going 9-20 on like day 2 legend with burn mage, went 106-82 to top 100 legend
should I post the deck to reddit
it worked for enrage warrior maybe itll work for scythe big dh
spare needle
I have been playing this spell big DH list
Big Spell DH
Class: Demon Hunter
Format: Standard
Year of the Wolf
2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
2x (1) Illidari Studies
2x (1) Taste of Chaos
2x (1) Unleash Fel
2x (2) Chaos Strike
2x (2) Spectral Sight
2x (3) Eye Beam
2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
2x (4) Glaivetar
2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
1x (4) Souleater's Scythe
2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
1x (5) Going Down Swinging
2x (6) Felscale Evoker
2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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cosmic zinc
I like the draw card and adornment for big
Hound could be good with felsscreamer too
Not sure about Jotun
calm ledge
I’m not sold on using unleash fel or all fel before I’m ready to
Adornment seems really good though
Anything that provides two spell clicks for evoker is strong
cosmic zinc
O Jotun casts a copy
Not the original
So it would cast an uninfused all fel if it hit it
But I feel that probably not worth
Having to play Jotun
But yeah with adornment we could also potentially run fanatic and cut the worse fel spells
I was already trying that
calm ledge
oh I didn't realize it was a copy
@cosmic zinc so basically your last list but -1 going down -1 etc for two adornment?
cosmic zinc
Yeah do we also run hound?
Maybe we run one hound and cut Felerin too
But my list wasn’t running rhapsody cause less aggro at the time not sure if we need that now
And does big run Argus?
The glaivatars and Felerin are potentially cuttable in my list
calm ledge
no way do we run hound
I'd rather run applebaum
we only want the best demons
we definitely want argus, that card is nuts
calm ledge
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 5920
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# 🟦 1x (1) Calamity's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Fossil Fanatic
# 🟪 2x (2) Runic Adornment
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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WotW might be better then spectral
but it doesn't curve into crush
on the other hand, we are very likely to find all fel against control, which is so incredibly important
but we already have fanatic for that
cosmic zinc
Yeah that list feels good I might cut Felerin for the hound initially
spare needle
Argus may take xhilags place and make running a hound hard
cosmic zinc
But hound would feel awful into priest
spare needle
The hound will definitely win us games vs aggro
calm ledge
yeah I think spectral is my one sus card here, otherwise very happy with the list
cosmic zinc
Yeah spectral could be changed out for weight of the world possible
Especially if like spooky mage is meta
Their hands always full
spare needle
Do we care at all about felscreaming into a 5 mana hound
calm ledge
no
spare needle
Or is that a fringe scenario
calm ledge
super fringe
cosmic zinc
Maybe I’d aggro is everywhere
Unless the aggro is mech paladin
I don’t mind it into like outcast
spare needle
Makes sense. If aggro is everywhere maybe slot one hound in somewhere
calm ledge
you can hold me to it, but I think hound will be really bad in this deck
cosmic zinc
But like into priest and relic it’s not good
calm ledge
yeah I think it's going to be very strong, especially since it's low cost cards
finding more studies, taste of chaos (into all fel), dispose, through fel and flame, etc
lunar meteor
It gives the deck the potential for so much more burn in slower matchups
Id only run mythical terror in an aggro infested meta
cosmic zinc
Yeah same
Which is rarely like high legend
But like I wanna windfury green rag
So I’ll try ignis anyways
lunar meteor
Do you need another forge card for ignis?
The forge neutrals are all minions which make them awkward to put into the deck
Probably watcher of the sun if necessary to have 2 forge cards to activate ignis, but maybe you only need ignis in slower matchups where it’s rly easy to draw wotw
cosmic zinc
I think watcher maybe
It’s anti aggro heal and a spell
Or the 3 mana ogre but minion
But it’s also why I’m not sure on ignis cause big dh doesn’t draw whole deck
lunar meteor
Just run Finley! Very fun card to play.
Until you’ve got 7 cards in hand 15 in deck need to hit either one of the unleash fels off of Finley and it whiffs
cosmic zinc
Are you still climbing with Big spell dh?
I started losing more cause all the priests are gone for Naga mage
Or Hunter which is more coin flip
lunar meteor
I like barely played after I hit top 100, naturally degraded to like 110ish, played 11 games went 6-5 and ended at the exact same rank I was when I started
calm ledge
WotW might be like Skull and a super high power level, we'll have to see. it seems very slow, and belays our problem of aggro decks snowballing under us
the only arguement I have for spectral is that it curves into enforcer
with runic maybe we have critical mass there anyway
spare isle
@calm ledge I'm building ban-Priest lineup (Warrior, Miracle Rogue, Unholy DK) and using Big DH as a 4th.
What list do you recommend?
Scythe or no Scythe?
lucid grove
do we ever drop raging felscreamer
calm ledge
Probably use @lunar meteor Scythe list
Sorry, that’s assuming closed list
With open lists probably no scythe
I think the element of surprise is worth something with the scythe
spare isle
Thanks
cosmic zinc
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 8220
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# 🟦 1x (1) Calamity's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Fossil Fanatic
# 🟪 2x (2) Runic Adornment
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (3) Weight of the World
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟦 1x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# 🟪 1x (7) Mythical Terror
# 🟨 1x (4) Ignis, the Eternal Flame
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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Okay here is my list attempt
calm ledge
Pretty close to what I had, but I didn’t have WotW or ETC
cosmic zinc
Yeah Wotw is just to try ignis in ETC
for control in case we cant infuse All fel
im not sure if ETC with mythical terror is even worth it
but ill test it
calm ledge
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 5920
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# 🟦 1x (1) Calamity's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Fossil Fanatic
# 🟪 2x (2) Runic Adornment
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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when i ran xhilag in ETC i like never pulled it
calm ledge
WotW is really strong into control, since we can dig for All Fel a lot faster
Which is so key
cosmic zinc
yeah also a lot of times spectral is stuck in our hand wihtout outcast
like you said the only issue is you cant play it on 2 with enforcer
but i guess you do have runic
calm ledge
Right. If runic is enough, I’d probably run something close to yours. We’ll have to see how runic feels
Forge into etc into ignis seems infinitely slow though
cosmic zinc
ya
its only two forge cards though so idk if we could hardrun ignis
etc is just for aggro to get an extra reno
without messing up evoker pulls
cosmic zinc
ignis could be any other greedy card
i guess other greedy cards could be Lorthemar, Azshara, Prison, or maybe even Xymox if we hit relics off adornment
i guess fizzle too but i hate fizzle outside of relic
sudden forum
Where the scythe big dh
Imma cook something
I still find it so dumb but somehow it works
calm ledge
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 5240
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# 🟨 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (4) Glaivetar
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# 🟨 1x (4) Souleater's Scythe
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (5) Remixed Rhapsody
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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Yeah I don’t understand why use scythe in this case
My idea is only having 6 minions in deck
2 Naga 2 big 2 big
sudden forum
This one pulls random things into the scythe which isn’t great I think
calm ledge
it works better then you think
lunar meteor
arcanist is uncuttable
calm ledge
I don't like Finley, but otherwise the list works well
lunar meteor
i mostly run finley bc its a fun card to use
calm ledge
that's a great reason
sudden forum
Lemme try to cook something hold on
spare needle
What day one deck we running boys and girls
spare isle
Likely Blackrock Warrior
calm ledge
I basically told ZachO my day one dh deck
so the VS list
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 9440
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# 🟪 2x (2) Runic Adornment
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟨 1x (7) Lor'themar Theron
# 🟦 1x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# 🟪 1x (7) Mythical Terror
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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I rly want windfury weapon in big dh but the forge cards kinda suck in big dh
calm ledge
weight of the world might not be terrible
but I don't like any of the neutrals
and I'm not sure if we have time to develop for the weapon
cosmic zinc
The one thing with the weapon is you already beat control
Like I want to run it for windfury fun but will be tough. You’d probably have to run weight and the holy one or the rusher
calm ledge
you could already just run a glaivetar for the 8 face damage
take the list above and -ETC, -2 Chaos, +glaive, +2 spectral
I know you want to green rag windfury
cosmic zinc
Yeah I also still like fanatic in the deck with one calamity
And cutting the worse fel spells for control
cosmic zinc
Eye beams are better if there’s less control priest and more snowballing 1/2 drops like slither/bananas and anima
I’m just not sure how DH deals with BRR warrior stuff
silk pelican
eye beams are currently bad but ofc that doesn't mean they will be when expansion drops
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 7540
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟪 2x (2) Runic Adornment
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (3) Weight of the World
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (6) Sylvanas, the Accused
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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my day 1 big dh
etc is the same as report but could drop lorthemar for ignis
still not sure on that choice
lucid grove
5 wins so far, I'm not really feeling the etc
unique crest
I'm almost eager to craft Argus since I already have all the rest of the DH set (except the new demon)
But I only have 1600 dust + a golden Freya if she turns out to be kinda mediocre
unique crest
I think it's a safe craft because every titan except the Rogue one feels like a staple ahah
lucid grove
yeah
unique crest
Warrior too?
lucid grove
I haven't faced any chadlock yet
that matchup was truly terrible
so now it's probably unbeatable
also I'm seriously considering argus is a keep in the mulligan
like evoker
bronze pagoda
What about warlock with new titan - got one opponent who removed my Argus in trade of his minion
And then his sargeras had a big board
calm ledge
I haven't faced warlock with big dh yet
played against it with my paladin list, got slime rolled
bronze pagoda
I think we have to slow down - I tried to resurrect the only one demon (wasn't infused) but got evoker instead of green rag :(
bronze pagoda
They have a taunt that can't attack but they can copy for a 7/7 rush
That taunt is a pain to get through
lucid grove
7/7 is at least smaller than both demons
bronze pagoda
Yes - in big DH it is easier to clear.
How about the mulligan - is it still the same? Look for Evoker? Or do we keep the new Titan?
lucid grove
I think argus is looking like a keep in the mulligan
just way too good
always pick the board option first
bronze pagoda
And does enforcer really help here - I remember it was cut in some builds but it has made its appearance back
lucid grove
it's actually the other way around
the build started without crushclaw
then refined versions use it
bronze pagoda
I thought vS always had it - I may have got it wrong then
lucid grove
but yeah it's currently good
craggy gorge
Feeling good so far, 3-0 with it
craggy gorge
I haven't drawn him yet in a game but maybe replace with Felerin?
lunar meteor
Just run rhapsody/going down swinging
calm ledge
Still not a rhapsody believer, I do like GDS
bronze pagoda
Definitely worth keeping the Titan in the mulligan!
Beat a shadow priest who kept going face - recovered with the taunts from Argus
craggy gorge
From great to not so great
I should have swapped deck when my Rogue opponent had a 1/1 mech on board, played Mimiron, played a windfury 1/1 on the existing mech and got the swap spell which he used on my inquistor. I had 16 health left when he did that sooo.
I'm not feeling the Runic Adorment
lucid grove
no
calm ledge
60% WR (D-L) on HSR since Titans launch. keep up the good work team
sacred sequoia
how is big dh faring against mech-rogue and rainbow-mage?
calm ledge
It’s bad against snowball decks like mech rogue. Should be fine against mage since their removal doesn’t line up with our game plan. It’s a matter of if we can pressure them enough before turn 8/9
unique crest
I'm not going to lie
What if we try to incorporate Watchers + Ignis in here
The idea tempts me but it's not like we have problems in late game
calm ledge
The biggest two challenges are mech rogues getting under us or closing out the game before an OTK from a mage or shaman
lucid grove
seems like the speaker stomper angle
god I swear meltranix has been helping so much in relic
but she has demon tag
so can't use it here
annoying as hell
calm ledge
Stomper doesn’t seem bad
lucid grove
maybe I'll try meltranix inside etc
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 9220
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟪 2x (2) Runic Adornment
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟨 1x (4) Prosecutor Mel'tranix
# 🟦 1x (2) Coroner
# 🟦 1x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (4) Saronite Tol'vir
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (6) Sylvanas, the Accused
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 7540
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 🟪 2x (2) Runic Adornment
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# 🟦 2x (4) Speaker Stomper
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (6) Sylvanas, the Accused
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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the 2 options I'm considering
calm ledge
Sylv?
lucid grove
yeah
most of the times just hard removal for titans
they annoyingly have 9-10 health
I haven't been disappointed with her in this meta
calm ledge
I know we’ve been down this road before, but I’d consider Sylv if we ran xhi
lucid grove
I tried last xpac and it was shit
argus helps infuse her
he's basically xhilag body count
and no demon tag
what have you been running?
calm ledge
honestly haven't touched it in a bit. was a little dissaopinted by adornment, but the stats for last meta's deck list look good
lucid grove
no
it's the tech card
neophyte 2.0 with tradeable
zacho said on the podcast it was looking effective
lucid grove
btw I had this fever dream of using this card to make a late game crushclaw draw not useless
calm ledge
It’s actually not a terrible idea
lucid grove
Alright then I'll give it a shot
5 attack rush minion does help fight for board properly
lucid grove
Nah this is just a pipe dream
Upside happens so rarely it's negligible
Cyclops might be better for the rush
topaz mantle
I assume Xhilag doesnt make the cut because the demon stalks mess up all fel breaks loose?
lucid grove
Yeah I played xhilag before
You almost never wanted it summoned from evoker you just wanted to play it from hand
And now there's argus who isn't a demon and makes 5 bodies
calm ledge
It also does to a lot of board removal. Usually against something like hunter they just couldn’t handle it, but now they can easily swing back with hound
calm ledge
Is the hound buff enough to replace unleash? 
lucid grove
Would it still be a whiff from evoker?
calm ledge
Still has a big butt
I haven’t touched the deck in a while. Definitely going to try double down on demons
lucid grove
Hmmm
calm ledge
Xhi, everything
lucid grove
Not enough to not be a problem I think
calm ledge
Even if it’s a perceived nerf
lucid grove
Last time I was considering the tutor for all fel idea but didn't follow through
calm ledge
A lot of high level players are reluctant to play that sort of curvestone
lucid grove
If you replace unleash fel then you can make it a true tutor
calm ledge
With fanatics right
lucid grove
Yes
calm ledge
Yeah, seems reasonable
Fanatic usually dies right away
If we only need it as a tutor for one spell
That’s fine
lucid grove
It's sketchy but an infused all fel is like the checkmate
calm ledge
Yeah
I’m not saying it’s ideal but it’s worth trying
I know that we want a curated all fel pool against control
But the meta isn’t full of control priest, blood dk right now
lucid grove
I think we can afford the dog coming from the pool but not xhilag stalks
calm ledge
Fair enough
Also creation, lightning storm just obliterate stalks
Dog shrugs them off
At the least
Don’t get me wrong dog will be a low roll a lot
But having two more big demons makes screamer a lot better
calm ledge
@spice hemlock gets all of the credit for starting the hype train on Reddit
spice hemlock
spice hemlock
I love how this post has been active for like 2 months
yeah im not really around much right now, and havent been around this thread for longer, but i do occasionally check in on it and admire how long you've all kept this going
i feel like the deck was good enough for long enough and the list was extremely close to perfect early enough that itd have taken off without my post, but it is cool to have been a part of popularising something niche and seeing it turn into a meta force
definitely a highlight of my community participation in the ~10 years (
) ive been playing this game
unique crest
So, uhm
The miniset review talked about the new sigil being maybe good in Big DH
What do you think? Tbh I'm not sure
And I'm not sure it's enough
calm ledge
I was doing really well in top 400 yesterday with the relic / big dh
I credit a lot of it to punishing control though, as the deck does
inquisitor still a beast
I think the sigil is definitely worth trying
this is what I was running fwiw
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unique crest
Thanks!
unique crest
The code isn't working for some reason
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 7900
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Relic of Extinction
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (2) Relic Vault
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Relic of Phantasms
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟪 2x (6) Relic of Dimensions
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟨 1x (8) Artificer Xy'mox
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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grave kettle
Been playing that with -1 argus and -1 crushclaw and +2 sigil of time feels solid
calm ledge
seems like a solid upgrade
I'll definitely try that
argus has definitely felt win more
sometimes the lifesteal is clutch, but usually it's just another big card
and four rush
grave kettle
Oh ive just never had argus so idk how it feels but sigil just feels so right
No need to run the smaller draw spells allowing for room for the relic package which is an alt win con
Very big fan of this ver
calm ledge
I mean argus can do some work after a good relic of dimensions
but again, it's felt a bit win more
where I'd rather just sigil of time and dig for an all fel
unique crest
My boy Argus tho
😦
Tbh I lack Xymox and one Relic of Dimensions, and since I have like, 2000 dust I'm a bit unsure about crafting them
But still
calm ledge
I had a pretty bad day with it yesterday. 1-5
Small sample size but I was having trouble with Yoggs
Also I rolled the “change your hero power” anomaly, which was a non game
grave kettle
Also I rolled the “change your hero power” anomaly, which was a non game
Hate that one so much when playing this deck aside from the potential of rogue hp
unique crest
That also fucks up Control Warlock basically
calm ledge
good point
sudden forum
Dead deck?
lucid grove
Unfortunately yes
Terrible matchups into odyn warrior, mech rogue
And probably the new druid shit
calm ledge
There are a few die hards who still swear by it
Honestly the deck should be really really strong into plague DK though
That’s exactly the type of deck Big DH is great into
I don’t know if it gets there fast enough against Druid
lucid grove
Druid is turn 5-6 from what I heard
modest star
r e v e r t f e l s c a l e e v o k e r
green osprey
was running this from bronze to d8 in the morning, 9-0 so far but not high ranks yet
cosmic zinc
Nice! Tbh it could get better post Meati tweet with the super Disruption control priest people are now running
calm ledge
Yeah big DH gets a lot better with control priests in the meta
List looks good though
Eye beam is tough to evaluate because it’s so good in some match ups, useless in others
green osprey
Yeah, it can be a little awkward at times. Even in bad matchups the heal is nice to clear up some chip damage/spot remove though
calm ledge
Over in another discourse, another player swears by security in that spot to handle early boards
Which seems reasonable since it curves into crushclaw
south spire
I liked security when I played a similar list last set
calm ledge
I tried yogg and prison breakers
they were good, but the deck still suffers due to other yoggs
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 4180
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# 🟦 2x (1) Calamity's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Fossil Fanatic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟨 1x (5) Going Down Swinging
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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Was thinking maybe this to start with
Blindeye I feel wont work well since shes naga first. if she was spell first I'd for sure run
I do wonder about Boneglaive because it does curve off of LTC
calm ledge
oh load the chamber, interesting
the discover a naga might not be bad either
just as a cheap spell
cosmic zinc
yeah true
Im not sure on calamity grasp
but then LTC feels more bad
I think well have to see how strong HL decks are. Those will be slower which helps Big DH. Also if nature shaman is dead and no combo replaces it Big DH might become the go-to control priest killer again
Theres moonbeam but that is way worse against aggro
Could cut -2 grasp, -2 fanatic, for like Felerin/Naga spell/+something else. But I liked fanatic last time I played big dh
lucid grove
I'm definitely gonna try blindeye cuz I wanna relive the s'theno big dh glory days
calm ledge
yeah fanatic is pretty solid, especially with a curated fel pool
cosmic zinc
I wish blindeye was spell first
would work so much better. I just dunno how many Naga you need to be able to activate her
calm ledge
yeah I don't think this is the deck for blind eye
lucid grove
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 6520
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Oasis Outlaws
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟦 2x (2) Parched Desperado
# 🟦 2x (2) Predation
# 🟪 2x (3) Blindeye Sharpshooter
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (3) Snake Eyes
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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Naga big dh first draft
calm ledge
I'm always a little hesitant to cut felscreamer
and I think our control match ups suffer without all fel
lucid grove
Oh shit I forgot all fel
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 6400
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Oasis Outlaws
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟦 2x (2) Predation
# 🟪 2x (3) Blindeye Sharpshooter
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (3) Snake Eyes
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8042925
Here fixed it
cosmic zinc
I like Felerin over Snake eyes since neutrals should be in its pool
I guess Snake is a Naga
lucid grove
Yeah I did that replacement too
I thought you got the discover spells from snake eyes
calm ledge
Control priest meta draws close…
south spire
calm ledge
Are we on sigil of time now?
spare isle
sigil's good
calm ledge
this is where my head is at for post exp launch
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this is where my head is at for post exp launch
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 2560
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# 🟦 1x (1) Calamity's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Pocket Sand
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Sigil of Time
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8209903
I think mechanic is probably resonable here. early board presense, a spell for evoker, seems fine with arcanist later
unique crest
I reeeally hope that this deck will be back in this expansion
Wait, why Calamity's grasp?
unique crest
Uhm, so
The deck seems ok imo
I'd like more card draw though, and a new big demon would help
I love BOB but Midnight Wolf feels bad
calm ledge
Well I was inclined to just keep spectral
lucid grove
Alright after my last revision I actually feel very good about this deck
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 4000
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Oasis Outlaws
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟦 2x (2) Predation
# 🟪 2x (2) Wayward Sage
# 🟪 2x (3) Blindeye Sharpshooter
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8312674
Blindeye drawing exclusively nagas and spells is so cozy
She never bricks herself with a big demon
calm ledge
pretty interesting
I like how you leaned into nagas
is LTC good enough sub for felscreamer?
or does this play more like sharpshooter with a evoker scam
because that's cool with me too
lucid grove
Most games it plays more like a blindeye deck yeah
It kinda depends on what hand you're dealt
And yeah I've been liking load the chamber cuz it's more versatile
But it's not like an amazing card
calm ledge
I played it a bit and the challenge for me is that when I want to do the pop off turn is about the same time I want to do evoker
calm ledge
oh hello friend
glad to see you back
tram mechanic is very good in this deck btw
this feels pretty reasonable
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this feels pretty reasonable
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 2560
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# 🟦 1x (1) Calamity's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Pocket Sand
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Sigil of Time
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8209903
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 2560
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) SECURITY!!
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 1x (4) Glaivetar
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8349891
Brilliant deck! Its awesome discounting enforcer to 5 mana
spare needle
My apologies to illidan but I had no luck with that naga sharpshooter package
W8 list seems easy to activate enforcer and drop on 5
Hard to deal with
Hopefully we hear on the podcast “Corb, it looks like Big DH is back. Players are running load the chamber to discount the enforcer to 5 mana”
calm ledge
yeah somehow I doubt that
lucid grove
Yeah this deck of mine doesn't really play like a big dh deck of old despite my dreams
This is what ideal matches look like
It's more like a naga dh with a fringe finisher, the biggest proof for me that this isn't a typical big dh deck is that I think cutting all fel is correct
Card is too slow
unique crest
Isn't that worse Naga DH at that point?
unique crest
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Yes please
Also I want to jam Argus in but that probably isn't the move
lucid grove
Isn't that worse Naga DH at that point?
Yes unfortunately
But I like to play it more
Feels like a straight up midrange deck
And yeah I don't think argus is correct in this meta
The boards and threats are too big for him to hold off
unique crest
One day he'll shine I guess
sacred sequoia
The druid matchup (by far my most common mu) feels terrible to me
calm ledge
yeah 4 toughness from the taunts is rough
spice hemlock
that one of the default DH decks is big dh
thats actually incredible
god bless
yeah this set is feeling like a pretty solid foundation for some classic DH diversity
the tram mechanic idea is really cool, i like it a lot
been cooking anything else interesting in other classes?
calm ledge
ABC
Always be cookin
I have a big DK list that’s OKish, needs some early game
The new relic list I have is really really strong
Currently putting most of my attention into cleave hunter though
spice hemlock
The new relic list I have is really really strong
ooh, gimme
and yeah i need to try cleave hunter some more
played 2-3 games of it, liked it but didnt have a lot of success
cinder wharf
and yeah i need to try cleave hunter some more
gotta play my list 
calm ledge
ooh, gimme
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### Naga Priest
# Cost: 13200
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Funnel Cake
# 🟪 2x (1) Mistake
# 🟨 1x (1) Priestess Valishj
# 🟪 2x (1) Serpent Wig
# ⬜ 1x (1) Shard of the Naaru
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# 🟪 2x (2) Amalgam of the Deep
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# ⬜ 2x (2) Murkwater Scribe
# 🟪 2x (3) Benevolent Banker
# 🟦 2x (3) Cathedral of Atonement
# 🟦 2x (3) Handmaiden
# 🟨 1x (3) Pelagos
# 🟨 1x (4) Pip the Potent
# 🟪 2x (4) School Teacher
# 🟨 1x (5) Queen Azshara
# 🟦 2x (6) Thirsty Drifter
# 🟨 1x (7) Aman'Thul
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8217587
calm ledge
oops
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### Relic Demon Hunter
# Cost: 17400
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Relic of Extinction
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟦 2x (2) Relic Vault
# 🟪 1x (3) Enchanter
# ⬜ 2x (3) Nerubian Vizier
# 🟦 2x (3) Relic of Phantasms
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Blademaster Okani
# 🟨 1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer
# 🟨 1x (4) Prosecutor Mel'tranix
# 🟪 2x (4) School Teacher
# 🟨 1x (5) Jotun, the Eternal
# 🟪 2x (6) Relic of Dimensions
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟨 1x (7) Xhilag of the Abyss
# 🟨 1x (8) Artificer Xy'mox
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8379346
Tram Mechanic???
Ah
I thought it was that 5 mana draw Mech
[[Tram Operator]]
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spice hemlock
so did i the very first time i saw it and i was like 
spare isle
And I was impressed by the supreme cooking
calm ledge
mechanic is very good
not quite as good as LtC here, but it adds a lot of early game defense
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### Undead Warlock
# Cost: 8640
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Disposal Assistant
# ⬜ 2x (2) Incorporeal Corporal
# 🟦 2x (2) Suspicious Peddler
# 🟦 2x (3) Forge of Wills
# ⬜ 2x (3) Nerubian Vizier
# 🟪 2x (3) Trolley Problem
# ⬜ 2x (3) Walking Dead
# ⬜ 2x (4) Furnace Fuel
# ⬜ 2x (4) Imposing Anubisath
# 🟨 1x (4) Pop'gar the Putrid
# ⬜ 2x (4) Waste Remover
# 🟦 2x (5) Savage Ymirjar
# 🟦 2x (5) Soul Barrage
# 🟨 1x (5) Symphony of Sins
# 🟨 1x (7) Dar'Khan Drathir
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8416576
whoops, wrong chat
unique crest
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### Undead Warlock
# Cost: 8640
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tram Mechanic
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Wait wait wait
Standard Discard Warlock is real?
calm ledge
In my kitchen, anything is real
For anyone who cares, cut peddles for salesman, toss two starfish in the pot, and you’ve got a discard stew going
calm ledge
funki went 8-0 with this list
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### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 4680
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Greedy Partner
# 🟦 2x (2) Multi-Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Spectral Sight
# ⬜ 2x (3) Aldrachi Warblades
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Sigil of Time
# 🟦 1x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟨 1x (5) Going Down Swinging
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Xhilag of the Abyss
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8459247
LtC did a lot of work here