other-games

[winter yew]

and them just giving away stuff isn't "taking risks"

it's just them giving away stuff

they don't have much to gain from that lol

[shadow tartan]

I didn't say this was

This is just something to support existing users

[winter yew]

what is

[shadow tartan]

It's great it if you have multiple TVs in a house or other properties

The streaming stick, the only thing that stood out in the article

I'm not so focused on the cost personally

[winter yew]

so..

what are you even saying

gamepass users don't need a streaming stick to convince them to stay lol

[shadow tartan]

The article I shared, I was taking to Mumbles about it and some other stuff yesterday

I didn't say game pass users need that

I said it was nice

[winter yew]

so

you think MS would just hand out this brand-new piece of technology just because it's "nice"

[full pivot]

who's the evil corporation rn?

[shadow tartan]

Google

Always will be

[winter yew]

google is always the evil corporation

[shadow tartan]

I didn't say anything of the sort though. I just like the idea of a streaming stick for games.

Plus it's not Stadia

[full pivot]

ok

[winter yew]

whatever

you agreed with the statement that the extra charge is a rip-off then tried to reinforce it with the claim that "MS doesn't care"

i guess you weren't arguing for that?

seemed like it to me

[shadow tartan]

I said it's a bit of dick move but I I'll wait to see pricing

[winter yew]

again

how is it a dick move?

the pricing will probably just be a extra small fee on top of the already existing gamepass pricing

otherwise it would be cheaper to just buy the hardware

[full pivot]

what a dumb interesting argument 😛

[shadow tartan]

Yeah

[winter yew]

i don't understand how you think giving gamepass users hardware with a price is a dick move but whatever

[shadow tartan]

Only if it's like mobile/cellular stuff

[full pivot]

i'd need a statement by both of you 👮‍♀️

[shadow tartan]

Because people get ripped off

What did I do boss? @full pivot

Been a long time since I got in trouble with the police

[full pivot]

nah just to understand what the discussion is

[shadow tartan]

Nah nothing much here

Just chatting about game stuff

[full pivot]

yes but i came in late haha

[winter yew]

well

you know xcloud right?

[shadow tartan]

Just taking a look at MS new idea of a streaming stick

[winter yew]

ms apparently plans to put it on TVs with a streaming stick

[full pivot]

stick?

[winter yew]

yes

you plug it into a tv

and you get xcloud or something

[full pivot]

like a USB

[shadow tartan]

I've been using Remote Play a lot recently too

[dry copper]

It's stadia for consoles.

[winter yew]

probably i don't really know

we still have basically no clue

[shadow tartan]

Probably HDMI with USB power

[dry copper]

Or is it just for streaming?

[shadow tartan]

But just an assumption

[winter yew]

xcloud is game steaming

[full pivot]

well stadia already sucks for me cuz my internet doesn't allow for streaming things on that level

[winter yew]

remote play is just as the name suggests

remote play

[dry copper]

So you still need the xbox to use it

[shadow tartan]

Stadia just sucks

[winter yew]

yes

[full pivot]

i think creating an infrastructure for good internet would be a good first step yknow

[winter yew]

not xcloud though

xcloud is independent

well

not entirely

but close anyway

[shadow tartan]

I'm lucky I have good internet here

[winter yew]

anyways

[shadow tartan]

I paid through the nose abroad though

[winter yew]

the fellas over at MS are thinking of adding a new tier to the already existing xbox gamepass

[full pivot]

so they have this really good internet in what was it

[winter yew]

like a platinum tier

[full pivot]

Estonia/Croatia

[shadow tartan]

Croatia is beautiful

[full pivot]

i can't remember

[winter yew]

man are you even listening

[full pivot]

no cuz its text

[shadow tartan]

Scandinavia has really good internet but we all need to be on Korean level internets

[winter yew]

ok are you reading it

[shadow tartan]

I am

[full pivot]

no i was making my own point excuse me

[shadow tartan]

But also responding to Ms Claws

I don't fuck with her

I don't want to die

[winter yew]

well anyways

we are discussing if it's a dick move to have that tier or not

i don't think it is but nate does

[full pivot]

ok new tier to gamepass

[winter yew]

yes

[shadow tartan]

I don't feel that strongly about it

[full pivot]

to stream games?

[shadow tartan]

Just an FYI

[winter yew]

no

to get hardware

like the streaming stick

[full pivot]

so you get the hardware for free for signing up for a higher tier membership

[dry copper]

What do you get for the new tier...an xbox streaming stick that costs less than $30 to manufacture...?

[winter yew]

for subscribing to that higher tier, yes

[full pivot]

well what mumbles is alluding to

it better be worth the extra price

[winter yew]

@dry copper again it's promising future hardware as well

and it probably isn't going to be substantial

[full pivot]

that's a gamble that i wouldn't take

it could also be nothing if they change their minds

[dry copper]

Ultimately, the technology to do it without buying a new tier already exists.

[winter yew]

it is probably going to be nothing

sounds like something they wouldn't be able to upkeep very well

but if they were to somehow make it work then it would not be a dick move

[shadow tartan]

They mentioned that we may see lower hardware pricing which is great.

[winter yew]

@dry copper what do you mean

[dry copper]

Lots of people stream gaming from consoles.

[winter yew]

that is not xcloud

that is remote play

[shadow tartan]

You could use xCloud on mobile and cast it

But casting is doo doo

[dry copper]

Again, xcloud is its own thing

[shadow tartan]

That's just a solution if you don't want the higher tier

Just an idea

[winter yew]

the streaming stick is for xcloud

[dry copper]

You already have access to xcloud without a streaming stick.

[winter yew]

not on a tv, no

[dry copper]

Yes on tv. Use a google chrome stick.

[shadow tartan]

You beat me

[dry copper]

It's literally transmitting the signal from the xbox to the tv

[shadow tartan]

Damn you Mumbles

[winter yew]

what is a google chrome stick

[shadow tartan]

It runs Chrome OS

[dry copper]

It's a tool for casting from your devices to TV

It uses the same tech android uses

[winter yew]

well probably

it's google

so

[dry copper]

The point is, because it uses android, any device that can interface with the OS can be used with chromecast

[winter yew]

it just streams your device onto your tv?

[dry copper]

It can use HDMI or bluetooth to stream to your TV, to your computer, to anything connected to the hub

[shadow tartan]

I had the Asus Chrome thing too

[dry copper]

Technically you can use it to stream to other peoples tvs that don't have locks on them 😛

[winter yew]

the streaming stick isn't for streaming devices onto the tv

[shadow tartan]

Worked pretty well, need to dig it up and try Remote Play on it

[winter yew]

it just puts xcloud onto the tv

[dry copper]

That sounds like a gimmick...A deliberate middle man where it's not necessary. Are you trying to say you can not connect to xcloud right now?

[winter yew]

i can't

i don't have an android

[shadow tartan]

Ah

[winter yew]

unless i can do it from my pc with an emulator

[shadow tartan]

I have only tried on my phone and Shield TV

[winter yew]

also

you don't need a google chrome stick or whatever to display your device on your tv

that's something you could do far before that came out

[dry copper]

In any case, I think the streaming stick is a good idea IF and only if, they structure it around making streaming both easy and enjoyable for console gamers. The only opportunity I see for this technology is bringing people into streaming who are not otherwise tech savvy, but would be awesome content creators otherwise.

[shadow tartan]

Didn't they already add an xCloud solution for Windows 10?

[winter yew]

also the entire purpose of the platinum tier is to make xbox products cheaper

err

what are you talking about mumble

[dry copper]

It could lead to xbox partnering with twitch or some other streaming platform to plug their service as more mainstream

[winter yew]

it's

game streaming

what

[dry copper]

I see. I thought it was streaming gaming not just playing games via a stream.

[wet warren]

[full pivot]

[dry copper]

Steve!

[winter yew]

well that's awkward

@shadow tartan they didn't have a problem with win10?

it's ios they have issues with

[dry copper]

Who doesn't tho

[shadow tartan]

I remember some months ago they were testing xCloud on Windows 10 but I didn't look into it more

[winter yew]

maybe? i've never heard of that

there will be a win10 version but it's not available yet

really only for android still

i remember some years ago i played assassins creed odyssey on google's game streaming experiment

i played it in my browser

stream quality was shit but it was pretty cool

eventually it turned into stadia

didn't really know about stadia until a bit after whenever i looked up the experiment again

[shadow tartan]

Yeah nothing new on Win 10 xCloud, that's a shame

I knew about Stadia, they had jobs going for it here in London

[winter yew]

i'm sure they're focusing on their main target right now

ios

apparently they're going to do it via web browser

[shadow tartan]

And then they acquired people and you never see anyone using the hardware

[winter yew]

did stadia do that well

[shadow tartan]

Not in my opinion

I also remember it from the browser tests

Now it just seems a bit overhyped with not a lot to offer

Whilst Shield TV has been out since 2015 and can do what Stadia does and more

It's great to see big titles in their adverts but is that all it is?

[winter yew]

ah so the xcloud streaming stick is going to be like the google chromecast ultra

but probably not a failure

[shadow tartan]

Chromecast Ultra is cool if you don't have Android TV

I'm going to get one to mess around with because I use Android TV a lot now

[winter yew]

well that's the hardware you use for playing stadia on tvs

[shadow tartan]

Yup

[winter yew]

ah

smart mirrors

[shadow tartan]

Sorry my mistake I mean the new Chromecast with Android TV

[winter yew]

i forgot all about these things

[shadow tartan]

Yeeeeah

[winter yew]

yes that's essentially the chromecast ultra

but better?

not sure really

[shadow tartan]

I wanted to build one of those

It's different to Chromecast

[winter yew]

i remember quite a few people building them

[shadow tartan]

It runs the Android TV OS

[winter yew]

yes but it's like chromecast ultra in that regard

is it not?

i don't use either

i mean i just assumed that

because on the product page (https://store.google.com/product/chromecast_google_tv_compare?gl=us)

ultra is not here

replaced with chromecast google tv

and at a similar price

but i don't really know

[shadow tartan]

Chromecast receives a stream from a device but the one with TV runs the OS

[winter yew]

i meant the ultra

[shadow tartan]

Oh the Ultra

I thought that was just 4K streaming

Still just a receiver

[winter yew]

https://support.google.com/stadia/answer/9633380?hl=en

you can play stadia on it

so

i don't think it's just that?

anyways

it seems pretty similar to the xcloud stream stick

in concept

[shadow tartan]

The gestures and commands come from the controller similar to how it streams from mobile

[winter yew]

except xcloud is probably going to be way more popular

[shadow tartan]

Two different devices though

One is just for XBOX

The Google TV device will work with majority of apps and if it's not a TV app you can sideload it

That's how it works currently

[winter yew]

i meant in the game streaming sense

[shadow tartan]

That will come down to their infrastructure

Like when Sony bought Gakai

To provide the service for PS Now

So if it's as good as it is now then all good

[winter yew]

considering that all gamepass users will be able to use it fine

it will probably be popular

oh yeah also the xbox remote play guide is a bit annoying

i was going to try it out but despite the website saying you only need ios 10 or greater

you need at the very least ios 12.2 i think?

something after ios 12

i got baited

by microsoft

[shadow tartan]

Was it you that had issues updating their iPhone?

[winter yew]

yes

that was why i was trying to update it

[shadow tartan]

Kk

One of the workaround I saw was to use TCP/IP over USB with an Android device

[winter yew]

i fixed it

i can update it now

also i do not own any android devices

[shadow tartan]

I remember you said you Jailbroke it again

[winter yew]

yes i jailbroke it to do some things before wiping it

[shadow tartan]

Having an Android device is handy

I always have an Apple device that's reasonably up to date too

[winter yew]

well i just keep one mobile device

i don't have a need for two

[shadow tartan]

I have quite a few but it was checking some app optimisation stuff

Got some old tablets I need to get rid of though

It's also a hobby of mine 😬

[winter yew]

it took me a few hours to find a jailbreak that worked

most of it either didn't work or was paid

i also came across one that was laughably fake

eventually i got it to jailbreak with electra

which is a different jailbreak than the one i used earlier (unc0ver), but all i needed was root access so it works

[shadow tartan]

Hopefully we can cast these shackles aside and let them give us the implant

Then WE can have the software updates

Nothing could possibly go wrong then

[full pivot]

imagine

and this is totally off topic from this channel

actually nvm

[shadow tartan]

@full pivot shit I'm sorry boss, my bad

Slipped

[full pivot]

i put it in #no-ones-philosophy

you'll learn about it later

[shadow tartan]

I will?

Should I be scared?

Oh it's a channel that I must complete attunement for

[winter yew]

i mean this is the most appropriate channel for this topic that i have unlocked

[halcyon pike]

My friends and I love(d) NMS but after 100 hours we're ready for a break. Not permanent mind you. Just something to change up the pace. Our favorite part of NMS is how chill it is. After a long day of working from home sometimes we don't have the mind for an intense shooter or deep strategy. NMS fit that bill perfectly. Does anyone have any recommendations of other games that are low-brain but also not boring as hell?

[winter yew]

dark souls is a very relaxing game

[halcyon pike]

Funny

Though after you learn to block before attacks, Dark Souls can be pretty low-brain 😛

[full pivot]

its just a deep talk no politics channel that people ruined for ya

[winter yew]

hmm what's a relaxing game

well

[full pivot]

dark souls is actually amazingly repetitive and relaxing for it

like once you get it

[winter yew]

you should probably make the channels a bit lower level

[halcyon pike]

I agree, but it's also not coop

[full pivot]

i will open the philosophy channel to everyone

[halcyon pike]

We tried Cities Skylines Multiplayer Mod. It was... awful

[full pivot]

and the moment someone fucks it up

[halcyon pike]

CS is good. But the mod... noty

[full pivot]

that person will be muted for an extended period of time and warned

[winter yew]

i personally would keep such channels open for everyone

but whatever floats your boat

[full pivot]

go ahead

[winter yew]

alright i'm opening them

[full pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/go-ahead-make-my-day-clint-eastwood-gif-8449097

[winter yew]

ok i opened #no-ones-philosophy you're welcome

[full pivot]

i have a feeling you'll be the first to make me regret this

[winter yew]

i don't talk philosophy so i won't be in there

[full pivot]

good

[shadow tartan]

I'm reading what you wrote right now

I need a cigarette

[full pivot]

ha

[shadow tartan]

Close to home

[winter yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bmML6TTJks

😄 😄

[dry copper]

The philosophy channel was moved?

[winter yew]

no

closed

[dry copper]

Confused.

[winter yew]

computer man ruined it

[dry copper]

I doubt that.

[winter yew]

well doubt it

it's the truth though

[dry copper]

I need a new earwig...This song is going to drive me insane

Quick, someone drop a song that's super annoying that I won't get out of my head

[winter yew]

uh uh uh gimme a sec

[rigid haven]

Wait wait why did the channel close??

[winter yew]

@dry copper https://youtu.be/b5Xfch1oERc

here ya go

[dry copper]

....Not wormy enough

@winter yew Thanks for the link. I knew I heard Wang Chung before....Found a song of theirs that may work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXu6QmxpJE

[winter yew]

LOL. that song is so damn old

dude I'm older than that song 😭 by one year and two months.

[silver sparrow]

Can’t get you out of my head

[shadow tartan]

Anyone watching UFC 254?

[silver sparrow]

Kylie minogue

[winter yew]

here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21VeAmPOBzI

[shadow tartan]

"Your loving is all I think about"

[winter yew]

get up on this track

[shadow tartan]

Evil Woman is a great song too

You made a fool of meeeeee

[dry copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNd8_DjVK2E

[shadow tartan]

But them broken dreams have got to eeeeeend

[winter yew]

I have a mighty NEED

[dry copper]

I wonder if in Cyberpunk you'll be able to sup up an economy car to be tough and idiotic

[austere lance]

I have a mighty need for this, lol
https://youtu.be/zmIKMuEC0V4

[winter yew]

last song imma link

https://youtu.be/gJ0a0AahmRk

today anyway

[dry copper]

Woot. My computer exceeds the recommended requirements for Cyberpunk 2077. I'm psyched

[winter yew]

nice

[dry copper]

Been playing Fo76 lately...This AI is jank af

enemies fire through walls, choppers fly into buildings but forget to explode...

It's just a colorful nightmare

It's not difficult tho

[cinder vessel]

would be nice if they'd make it offline/solo. Much of what I've seen of it makes the map look pretty fun to explore

[winter yew]

lol

forget to explode

[austere lance]

Imma finish playthrough B of Nier Automata today, then imma start the third one

@dry copper The funny part is that chopper issue happened back in Fallout 4 too 😆

[cinder vessel]

well it is the same ol' creaky engine

but even if it weren't, it's not like Bethesda's known for fixing much

[winter yew]

did i see something about them 'overhauling' their game engine for Elder Scrolls 6 and Starfield?

[cinder vessel]

they kinda say that for each new game tbh

And for what it's worth, it's usually somewhat true

[winter yew]

ah imma be honest the only Bethesda game I really dug into was Skyrim

[austere lance]

They said this is the biggest overhaul they've done since Morrowind to Oblivion

[cinder vessel]

If it's like Skyrim or Fallout 4, may mean even fewer RPG options

[winter yew]

oh geez

[cinder vessel]

I'm still bummed about them tossing out spellcrafting kinda stuff

I think Oblivion still had that, but it was dropped with Skyrim

At some point I should download one of those big overhaul mods for Skyrim or something

[austere lance]

Yeah Oblivion had it

[charred badge]

Oblivion's was nerfed tho

[austere lance]

I didn't get far in Morrowind cuz everything being determined by computerized dice rolls in a first-person RPG is a hard pass for me

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[cinder vessel]

I didn't get far in Morrowind cuz everything being determined by computerized dice rolls in a first-person RPG is a hard pass for me
@austere lance yet you went through KotoR...Not sure how third-person makes it better but 🤷‍♀️

[austere lance]

Cuz KotOR doesn't do weird stuff like give you a shield that you can't actually control. In Morrowind you block automatically (or don't) depending on your Block level. It's stupid

In KotOR you can just slap on an energy shield and it'll absorb X amount of damage for you

[cinder vessel]

lol

whatever the case, i do tend to agree, dice-rolly systems in active gameplay are annoying

[austere lance]

It looks dumb in Morrowind to have a shield in your left hand that you don't actually control

[cinder vessel]

It looks silly in any game to be right by an enemy and miss

[charred badge]

goddamn ordinators

They had the decency to animate/sound it as a bounce rather than a miss

[cinder vessel]

So apparently Immortals: Fenny Rise has a free demo available...Through Stadia, lol

[charred badge]

ting ting ting

Anyway, morrowind spellcrafting let you do things like sphere of unlock

[austere lance]

Does that just unlock things, lol?

[cinder vessel]

but in a spherical area, so several things!

maybe, i dunno

[austere lance]

Cuz Alteration has a bunch of unlocking spells 😆

[charred badge]

It's the best way to piss off an entire city

100m unlock sphere

[cinder vessel]

lol

so it does literally just unlock all the things in a spherical area?

[charred badge]

And enchanting let you do dumb things like permanent 100% chameleon

Yeah, under the point value

[cinder vessel]

nice

That stupid stuff is/was great~

[charred badge]

Basically invis but it doesn't break when you hit things

Also permanent levitate

Which was... not as great as it sounds

[cinder vessel]

My fav. was ppl improving their athletics to the point they could just hop around the map, lol

As in, literally leap from town to town or whatever

[charred badge]

Yes

If you make a permanent version of the scroll of icarian flight, you could usually get a snack before landing

[cinder vessel]

Hmm, trying to figure out how to search for Minecraft mods that let you either set up devices or direct villagers to build stuff for you, lol

Not exactly what I was after, but this looks super useful:
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/building-gadgets

[austere lance]

https://twitter.com/ign/status/1320130716550811650?s=21

IGN (@IGN)

PSA: if you delete or deactivate your Facebook account that has been linked with an Oculus account, you will lose access to your games, purchases, and progress.

https://t.co/UJ6sibFyou

Twitter

[loud raven]

Hey if anyone wants to play some Among Us, feel free to message me

[charred badge]

@austere lance translation: if you delete your Facebook account, your Facebook VR account dies too?

[dry copper]

@austere lance ugh. I absolutely refuse to link Oculus to facebook.

I would sooner smash the oculus rift with a god damn hammer

I would not have purchased oculus at all if I knew they were going to go this top heavy on social media linking.

I hope that the Vive and Index don't go that route

[cinder vessel]

Unfortunately the moment FB acquired Oculus, the writing was on the wall for this BS

[dry copper]

In terms of trust with VR, for me, Facebook is pretty low...With HTC at the top, followed closely by Valve.

[austere lance]

Don't you have to log into your Oculus with Facebook?

[cinder vessel]

just found the Minecolonies mod for Minecraft that seems to do a decent part of what I'd like, but not sure about the whole raids/tending to villagers aspects, lol

Looks like you can disable raids, but not sure about the tending to villagers part

Increasingly thinking what I'm more after is like a voxelbuilder w/ robots to construct your designs, lol

[austere lance]

Final boss of Nier Automata ending B, let's gooooooo

[winter yew]

good luck

[austere lance]

RIGHT THROUGH THE BRAIN, GET WRECKED

[cinder vessel]

ooh, Autonauts looks very much up my alley 👀

It's like a cutesy Factorio where you teach bots to set up your production chains

[austere lance]

The main characters in Automata without their eye-coverings look weird

I'm just so used to seeing them with their eyes covered now

[silver sparrow]

@fleet moat I finished bly

Much feel

[glass plinth]

Mine colonies

I like this

[fleet moat]

@silver sparrow You likey?

[glass plinth]

Thanks for pointing that mod out leon. I just got back into minecraft after many years away. Still looking up mods

[silver sparrow]

Yes and no

Story good

But still sad

[fleet moat]

I looooved the story. Def sad. Very very very bittersweet.

Infinite feels.

[silver sparrow]

Reminds me that life isn’t fair but people go on

[fleet moat]

Very true 🥺

[silver sparrow]

Makes me want to be blue smoosh but I’m not at my computer

I guessed some of the things

[cinder vessel]

@glass plinth np, i think i kinda like effortless building & building gadgets more, even if they don't achieve the same kinda thing i was looking for

[glass plinth]

Yeah Im more a colony type of person

I like managing systems

[cinder vessel]

I do too, but having it modded in looks a tad too clunky for my tastes, hence liking the look of Autonauts over that

[glass plinth]

Ahhh

[cinder vessel]

(not a mod, but a separate, full game)

[glass plinth]

Hey, since your in mc as well, can you get summerfields texture mod working?

Or is it just me and I cant?

Im sorta miffed, since its my mainstay

[shadow tartan]

https://youtu.be/tzgpRZXn6Kk

[cinder vessel]

So far I've still only found Stonehearth to be closest to what I'd kinda like from a basebuilder-ish thing

I've not really used that texture pack, so can't speak to that =/

[glass plinth]

Well if your willing to try and can get it to work, let me know

Lol

[cinder vessel]

I tried a few briefly but none ever worked as thoroughly as I liked, lol

[glass plinth]

Yeah

Summerfields is the only one I love

It changes the game entirely

Every little aspect is so... beautiful

But thats just my taste lol

[winter yew]

@austere lance how you liking playthrough 3? D:

[austere lance]

Absolute fuckin warzone rn

[winter yew]

YAA

I was not ready for it and ended up bringing a lot of Large health restores lmao.

got my ass beat 😭

[daring spear]

I got curious about why Subnautica: Below Zero has been a little rough
apparently their voice acting studio closed because of lockdown stuff in the UK. that would definitely hinder things

I just want it to go to console... but it won't until it's officially v1.0

[silver sparrow]

Ruff

Waiting for ps4

[glass plinth]

Im not exactly surprised its rough

THey explained they arent just porting over assets and remaking a new subnautica based off the bones of the old game

More or less this is a different game engine, partly

So itll be rough, just like the first

Plus side, we saw how the first turned out after years

[daring spear]

they mostly have the game itself done, there's some polishing and the story needs finished the rest of the way. but the voice acting seems to be the main issue based on what it says on their website

this was all said in May but not a lot has changed in the world between then and now as far as closed stuff goes

[cinder vessel]

Did Subnautica ever sort out its performance funk? I think I remember there being an update to try to help some more with that...

[daring spear]

it mostly works

[glass plinth]

I mean the first one works flawless for me

I never knew it had issues

Lol

[daring spear]

I'm sure it's smoother on things more badass than our one-s

it's jsut.... sad, on there

[cinder vessel]

S0ul & Spirit mentioned really long load times, and there are other reports around about performance tanking

[glass plinth]

Hrmm yeah, I cant confirm console play

I only use pc

[daring spear]

my main file takes half an hour to load on our console. and occasionally the environment decides not to load in properly

it lags when surfacing too

[cinder vessel]

About to say, thought I remembered environment load-in issues

[glass plinth]

Yeah, for me, I never experienced that. However, running on 32gb ram, ssd and such

So that probably has a lot to do with it

[daring spear]

probably

one day, I'll have a decent gaming PC. not that I'm picky about what I play on, but there's some stuff I would just rather experience on PC sometimes

[glass plinth]

Mines old

4690k

I just upped my gpu to a 5700xt

and added 16gb more ram

Lol

As long as I upgrade my cpu in the next 3 years im good

[daring spear]

my "pc" is a refurbished gaming laptop from 2009 lol
it works for less intensive games like Stardew Valley. I'm pretty sure if I tried to put Win10 on it, it would literally explode

[winter yew]

that's kinda how my current laptop is tbh

I tried to upgrade it to windows 10 and apparently the touchpad drivers and Function key things don't work nice with Windows 10

so I had to roll it back

[cinder vessel]

RIP

[austere lance]

I'm a boomer and think computers are annoying, hence me gaming on console 😆

[winter yew]

though mine was a 'new' laptop in like 2012-2013 haha

[daring spear]

I grew up playing on pretty much everything

[winter yew]

I got it around the time Skyrim came out, I can play it on there mostly x)

[daring spear]

I dunno if skyrim would run on this or not. I usually just get smaller games. I don't want to overwork the poor thing too much

between not being able to afford PC stuff, and not having anywhere to even put one right now, I kinda just need to be content with the laptop or the xbox

[glass plinth]

If you ever do build one, let me know

I can help you make a mini pc

Small form has come a long ways over the years

[daring spear]

I never considered a mini one, for some reason. I'll keep that in mind

[shadow tartan]

https://youtu.be/9OxDeeWOq5w

[half nest]

Anybody wanna play a minecraft server? 1.16.3 Java edition! (Already have the nether, but you don't have to join my base)
IP is; hopeforcaves.serv.nu

[silver sparrow]

@glass plinth at my work we use NUCs for heavy lifting of files

[half nest]

oh wait theres server suggestions-- shoudl this go there aswell? (The bad grammar in it is intentional)

[silver sparrow]

No gpu but it’s the size of an Apple TV

[daring spear]

the server suggestions is for suggestions of changes you'd like to see to the discord server

this would be the right place to ask if people wanna play minecraft, no worries

[austere lance]

@winter yew I just ||activated A2||

[winter yew]

nice

[glass plinth]

As far as mini computers go

I typically use custom mini cases, a bit like a console case. Then i use top end graphics card and upper lower teir cpus

So a typical one now would be say a 3600, 2070 mini, 32 gb ram and a tb ssd

Cost ya maybe 900 usd

[daring spear]

not bad, considering

[glass plinth]

Yeah, they also tend to be fairly sturdy

I mean the options for configurations vary too. You can get it for cheaper

I should specify, that computer is beastly really, for standard 1080p

[daring spear]

seems like something to definitely look into

[cinder vessel]

So I just looked into Autonauts some more and whoa, it's continued to see updates since release. Never know whether that will be the case with indies like it

Also saw where The Colonists has continued to receive updates as well

[austere lance]

@winter yew I just got to the first opportunity to ||switch from A2 to 9S so I chose 9S||

[winter yew]

||dont worry you'll get to replay all the stuff later if you wanna see what happens if you choose the other||

[austere lance]

I fought the ||big-ass thing in the desert as A2 and just woke up 9S and talked to the weird healers||

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/ps5-pre-order-playstation-face-plates/

[charred badge]

@cinder vessel I was surprised to see itch version of A Short Hike getting updates

*still

[cinder vessel]

Oh?

Fixes, I'm guessing, or...?

[charred badge]

Unsure

[cinder vessel]

oh nice, uncertainty!

[charred badge]

Oh hey, just advertise directly to whales?

[cinder vessel]

lmao, in Autonauts apparently you give your bots shoes to make them move around faster.

[burnt drift]

yeah, you do. lmao

[winter yew]

Nier automata is a great game

[cinder vessel]

Fuck, I got drawn into Autonauts. Something about trying to get those bots somewhat self-sustaining is entrancing

Instead of working to upgraded memory in basic bots, I spent some time figuring out the best I could get within the limited memory. There's a surprisingly decent amount you can do within the basic bots' limits.

However, still find yourself needing 2 basic bots for harvesting & gathering respectively.

Interestingly tho I was able to get a basic bot to retrieve resources, craft desired item, & deposit some of that item into storage then loop that whole process.

[shadow tartan]

OMG the ads for this game

https://youtu.be/3yWXoA2rG0k

There is a really badly dubbed one I need to find

[winter yew]

🐐

[shadow tartan]

👅

[full pivot]

lol the childhood version of my character looks ridiculous

[shadow tartan]

Nice hat 😬

[bold crag]

what game is that?

crusader kings 3?

[full pivot]

mount and blade 2

[bold crag]

hmm

[full pivot]

god the ranged AI has become ridiculous

yay! i won the tournament finally haha

[charred badge]

Is it as great as sekiro?

[austere lance]

People are mind-blowing, I'm talking to a bunch of PCMR people in a server who refuse to play Bioshock Remaster because of this one comparison pic

[burnt drift]

so what about this pic makes them refuse to play it

tf

[austere lance]

Remaster is on the left, original PC release is on the right

They're mad cuz "MUH REFLECTIONS"

[full pivot]

tell them its called bumpmapping

[shadow tartan]

Blame Feral /s

[burnt drift]

what a stupid reason to not play a game

[charred badge]

Did someone tell them that water doesn't always look like plastic wrap?

Hmmm

[bronze wind]

that single screen is pretty bad though lol, like the only thing that looks better imo is the railing since it has shadows applied more properly

but yeah wouldn't stop me from playing the game

and seeing things in motion is usually different

[austere lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VOaNmN-hKs

They actually sent her one, LMAO

Snoop Dogg has one too

His is full of gin and juice, lol

[bronze wind]

i actually cant even find a good comparison that makes the remaster look better than the original at all, looks like the changed a lot of the interesting textures

kind of a bummer

[austere lance]

I played through it and had a good time

[bronze wind]

okay lol.. i didn't say anything about the experience. just weird that it's called a remaster, though I suppose that doesn't necessarily imply better textures

it was free for people that owned the existing games anyway tho so not like it's a buy in for anyone who likes the old stuff

[austere lance]

It definitely looks and sounds better than the original while you're playing, screenshots and dumb little marketing clips don't do it justice

My only issue was no shooting while using Plasmids

[bronze wind]

well it has better lighting in some ways and the meshes seem updated, most of the details that are worse are things most people probably don't care about. just weird that they were changed or touched in the way they were imo

but yeah they didnt' fix bugs or anything between versions lol

not that i would've expected that in a remaster necessarily

[austere lance]

Guns+Plasmids combo was why I always like Bioshock 2 better than 1 😆

Plus 2 had a much better hacking minigame

[bronze wind]

2 was really good, i liked it more than 1 for sure

[austere lance]

Hacking in 1 is atrocious

With the stupid little pipes

[bronze wind]

most things in 1 were kinda clunky honestly lol, obviously super fun at the time it came out tho

still fun now but not as smooth as i remember

also yeah those pipes suck lmao

better than the new Deus Ex games' hacking stuff though, not that that's a high bar.

[austere lance]

I laughed so hard when I first played Infinite and it had zero hacking 🤣

[bronze wind]

i really liked infinite, but didn't have the same vibes as the first two for obvious reasons lol

[austere lance]

When I smacked a vending machine with that one Vigor and it crapped out stuff I damn near died, I was like "IT ONLY TOOK YOU THREE GAMES TO GET THE MESSAGE"

[raven frost]

idk why but I read deus ex as "deus engineer" for a sec

[bronze wind]

dong engineer

[raven frost]

https://media.tenor.com/images/4fb85d2a91b5f0195e4883da98655fbe/tenor.gif

[bronze wind]

speedy

i might eventually get the bioshock collection and replay thru

[cinder vessel]

biosplat

better than the new Deus Ex games' hacking stuff though, not that that's a high bar.
@bronze wind wha, new Deus Ex hacking > Bioshock pipe game any day imo, lol

[austere lance]

I don't even remember how you hack in the new Deus Ex games

[cinder vessel]

in Human Revolution it's like a sort of node control minigame as I recall

You try to take over nodes to get to the target without setting off security, but they tempt you with rewards for hacking side nodes so you're balancing out whether you hack more than needed or just go for the target

[full pivot]

space jellyfish things

[charred badge]

@bronze wind it's a text game. I'm not sure how it can be uglier or nicer

As long as the font is ok

Feels like australia
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/1443430/ss_1b213195ed3f652c950aa6118cac3eecafd4ab29.jpg?t=1603352676

Why bioshock infinite feels different: it's a theme park action FPS, whereas older Bioshocks are RPG/FPS

Well, further anyway

[bronze wind]

@cinder vessel I just hate the chance based approach. Sure you can upgrade to reduce but it's just not very fun when there's random chance applied. I'd rather have a mini game that scales with the level of node

[charred badge]

That's basically Dues Ex

[bronze wind]

And what do you mean "text game" lol

[charred badge]

Well, the originals

Rogue is made entirely of text and punctuation.

...oh, you meant the pc remaster image

Oops

[bronze wind]

I'm confused, when did we start talking about that

Oh okay lmao

[cinder vessel]

I don't remember having as much trouble with the chances in it, but yeah, I get that

[charred badge]

You said it right after my rogue screenshot and I'm a goof

[bronze wind]

It's not that it was necessarily trouble, but if you don't spec into hacking security right away you deal with like 45% chance detection in a network that has like 5 nodes to the last and a 15 second countdown

You can use items to help but it's just not as satisfying when it's RNG until you max out the tree

That's honestly the only part I hate though, the rest is good. I was def being hyperbolic when complaining about it before lol

[cinder vessel]

knowing me i probably went for upgrading my hacking abilities ASAP

[bronze wind]

I do as well because otherwise it sucks

But one issue is I feel like most areas with low hacking requirements have like 10 other points of entry

It's not until you get to stuff like rooms with lvl 5 access or safes that it becomes even more annoying if you haven't maxed out

Very thankful for multitools at least

[cinder vessel]

yeah, that game has a lot of curious balancing acts it tries to play

[bronze wind]

I do love them though, been playing through mankind divided this past week actually

stealth gunplay is so fun

[charred badge]

I always go for skills that provide new options over stat increases or combat variety

It gets me in trouble with Bethesda games 🙄

[bronze wind]

i don't bother with non lethal, silencer on a pistol + headshots works for most areas unless they're armored lol

yeah it's sort of an issue in this game as well, you can be a "jack of all trades master of none" type of person and then have a lot of trouble getting past optional obstacles

[charred badge]

Well, the trouble comes up when combat is forced

[bronze wind]

True. That's definitely a thing in Deux Ex but the weapon advancement is completely separate from the augmentation/skill tree part

[charred badge]

If a game has a lot of social/technical methods to solve problems without fighting, so speccing into noncombat stuff is very helpful, but then forces a head-on fight...
I usually have a bad time.

[bronze wind]

Aside from a few upgrades like recoil reduction and tagging targets, which aren't necessarily that important for boss fights

[charred badge]

Apparently the DE reboots patched in alternative solutions for boss fights

[bronze wind]

There are definitely more sneaky/technical solutions for bosses

[charred badge]

On release there were flat-out forced boss fights

[bronze wind]

Like luring them close to explosives or using specific items

yeah i honestly didn't notice the difference cause I always go lethal with very little care for stealth lol

[charred badge]

Heh

I find stealth nonlethal to be the most interesting

[bronze wind]

it probably would be, i just absolutely suck at stealth and also forget to save all the time lol

[charred badge]

I liked how the first game handled it, where nonlethal methods generally rewarded nonlethal supplies

Getting more stunner ammo, etc

Which was the first reboot?

[bronze wind]

human revolution

[charred badge]

I was having a grand time with the super lifting upgrade for stealth

Yeah

[bronze wind]

second was mankind divided

[charred badge]

Because the AI is hilariously stupid

[bronze wind]

yeah super strength is super useful early on

[charred badge]

I have a screenshot of me hiding behind a vending machine I moved to the middle of the hallway

[bronze wind]

lmao

[charred badge]

The guard just sorta staring at it

[bronze wind]

i wanted to sneak past a guard who was in front of a laser grid

i had the remote hacking perk so i disabled the grid using that

[charred badge]

Did you trick him into walking into it

[bronze wind]

then walked up next to him and crouched, moved into the restricted area so he'd move a little bit, then when he settled he for some reason had no idea where I was even though I was crouched literally 2 feet diagonally in front of him

so i just walked by and he didn't notice

[charred badge]

I did a similar thing in Divinity.
Used telekinesis to move large objects between guards and things I wanted to pick

[bronze wind]

lol smart

[charred badge]

Hmm, why did that painting move off the wall and stand in front of the safe? Eh, probably the wind.

[bronze wind]

couldn't possibly be anything else

if you want to know the extent my lethal playthough goes to, even when i knock people out with a takedown i always shoot them in the head until they're dead after with a silenced pistol

[charred badge]

I do love how when you enter sneak mode in that game, you pull out a crate or barrel to walk around in

[bronze wind]

yeah that was funny to me as well lol

[charred badge]

It has the side benefit of making it very very obvious when you're in sneak stance

[bronze wind]

definitely good for an isometric game

[charred badge]

Avoids the hmm, is my character crouching or is that an animation?

[bronze wind]

never though of it that way honestly, kinda neat

[burnt drift]

that looks like something i'd see if antichamber ever got expanded upon

[winter yew]

Antichamber.. another game I'll probably never finish as some of those puzzles confused me

[silver sparrow]

i was trying to decode between days gone and ghost recon breakpoint and ultimately decided...neither

[burnt drift]

from what i've heard about it, getting breakpoint would've been a bad move either way, if its the latest one that they tried turning into a live service

[full pivot]

Manifold Garden is where the screen is from :3

its beautiful

so today so far ive played MTG, explored mc escher world, built a space empire of ancient machines, and failed to defend a castle against a 250 man army 😛

[cinder vessel]

Manifold Garden ❤️

[burnt drift]

the fuck is manifold garden

[cinder vessel]

a great puzzle game with a cool aesthetic

https://williamchyr.itch.io/manifoldgarden

[full pivot]

later imma try out FAR: Lone Sails too

[austere lance]

Onward with Nier Automata C/D

[burnt drift]

does it cost anything though

oh it does.. shame

[cinder vessel]

😐

Far: Lone Sails is pretty good!

[austere lance]

FUCK MY LIFE, died and lost 20 minutes of progress

[cinder vessel]

sounds like death already took care of that 😛

[austere lance]

Ugh, this tower is bullshit

No save areas and it's just floor after floor of hell

[cinder vessel]

oh, that

yeah, it's rough

[austere lance]

"Resource Recovery Unit" or whatever

There's three of these fucking things 😭

[rigid haven]

I never usually has difficulty with those I think

Then again you're practically invincible once you have the auto use potion chip

[shadow tartan]

@thorn dawn @fleet moat
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lmS7LJoAlfmtzhFNygQUu7k5yizxlc3l0

[thorn dawn]

This the nier soundtrack?

[fleet moat]

Don't think so. Sounds different to me. But pretty.

[shadow tartan]

Hyper Light Drifter Adam 😊

If you haven't played it I highly recommend it

https://youtu.be/2t1Fd0rrTAU

[austere lance]

YES, FIRST HELL TOWER BEATEN

[rigid haven]

FIRST???

[winter yew]

IIRC the first tower was a real pain in the ass

[rigid haven]

Yeah maybe it gets better

9S, assuming you're playing as him, sucks at combat anyway

Hack your way to the top babey

[austere lance]

Yep

[glass plinth]

Blep! How is everyone

Also, Im curious where that video was recorded

Sea grass like that isnt exactly common anymore

[dry copper]

Excited for this Early Access title

https://store.steampowered.com/app/711980/Starship_EVO/

Steam

Starship EVO

PLEASE NOTE: Starship EVO is still being worked on. Content is added regularly and the game performance and overall experience is improving over time. You can actively suggest features and report feedback over to our github (link below)! At this stage you will enjoy a mature b...

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

220

▶ Play video

[charred badge]

Fun so far

I burnt out trying for big fancy things before the basics

Even making it so scripting/controller bits can be placed on moveable panels is a surprisingly great improvement

Having control drawers we can open and close

Or a seat control that moves with it

Changing geometry of the engine layout adjusts maneuverability

[dry copper]

@charred badge Youve played starship evo?

I purchased it largely based on the community.

Game looks fun. Community is good.

Community is key to these sorts of games imo

[charred badge]

Yeah

I have SS in here somewhere

Notably, it has a flexible symmetry tool that only breaks on moving parts.

And docking functions

Someday I want to do shenanigans with a flight capable shuttle/escape module that can fly the main ship without getting out of the seat

[shadow tartan]

https://youtu.be/afCAAkNk8bM

[winter yew]

https://youtu.be/-tQ16ZgTgVc

[dry copper]

For @daring spear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cA7kwBSUaU

[daring spear]

[balmy plaza]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ybERimJ2eUk

[charred badge]

omg @dry copper https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2208617390

no, fu

ahahaha, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2245138436

[dry copper]

Someone spent a lot of time making that corellian

[charred badge]

more time making the noodle truck, I bet

[austere lance]

I'm watching an Into the Unknown edit that mixes the song with The Office, 10/10 would recommend

[stray fractal]

Has any one here heard some music they really like but can’t find any other of it for the life of them?

[wet warren]

Like just having a hard time finding the name of it?

[stray fractal]

Like just having a hard time finding the name of it?
@wet warren

Just other music like It with a similar genre

I’ll find music from games that I haven’t seen recreated anywhere else

[wet warren]

Ahh

Yeah I've had those moments before

[full pivot]

https://youtu.be/Y6ljFaKRTrI

[full pivot]

https://youtu.be/Y3ywicffOj4

[shadow tartan]

@full pivot I was listening to this exact one yesterday

Love Fleetwood Mac

@austere lance is it the one where Michael Scott takes the high notes?

https://youtu.be/V5BF1V1pbTs

[winter yew]

Yo, any My Time at Portia fans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2924kKLJWTg

Cause it's happenin!

[dry copper]

As long as they fix the shitty combat.

Based on the video there, they haven't.

@austere lance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2tsdfRhtew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uABDLKyVm8o

[winter yew]

oh holy shit https://youtu.be/54LEywabkl4

[shadow tartan]

Sold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7zj_U7UkI&list=OLAK5uy_kfRHd_YwoWm-9bpEUSOQuDUBRv8GaG64w

[austere lance]

Bruh I NEED IT
https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1320757112788578306?s=19

Xbox (@Xbox)

The Mandalor is not a race, it's a creed and well, it's also now a controller.

https://t.co/9AprFvYuyn

Retweets

1793

Likes

17233

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[cinder vessel]

lol

pre-scuffed controller for ya

[shadow tartan]

https://youtu.be/nMEHJPuggHQ

[thorn dawn]

alrighty then

throws @crimson kelp a soapbox

[full pivot]

I'm awaiting this opinion on my favorite movie

[thorn dawn]

No pressure 😛

[crimson kelp]

Haha I am not doing it, guys!

Red will kill me.

[thorn dawn]

she's muted 😛

she won't see

[crimson kelp]

You are the devil.

[thorn dawn]

I am

[full pivot]

I mean I personally don't care if anyone likes it haha

won't change my feelings on it

[crimson kelp]

Well, I liked it nevertheless, okay, maybe a little less, but it’s a great film.

[full pivot]

If it's the science stuff; my area of focus in astrophysics was black holes so say no more

[crimson kelp]

Haha well it wasn’t BH

[crimson kelp]

Altho we can bicker over whether planets circling a black hole would be ripped to shreds, the most annoying scenarios is how humanity got to the future in the first place.

[full pivot]

Well I welcome you to any time travel story ever told; first one I experienced was Terminator

and they never work

[crimson kelp]

If McConaughey needed to communicate secret of love to his daughter through library book code, to save humanity, how did that future race come to exist to begin with?

[full pivot]

I could get into non-linear time and dimensions but I'll just say its a fair criticism

[crimson kelp]

Haha, well, it actually doesn’t take the fun out of the movie for me, but I cannot ignore continuity and contradictions of scientific facts. I don’t mind it, but can’t unsee it heh.

[full pivot]

That seems fair too

Idk why you're worried about this opinion 😛

[crimson kelp]

Thena, I am treading on thin ice here and having to rephrase every sentence rofl.

[full pivot]

I mean I watch and love Star Trek and the "science" in that is so preposterous it's actually funny sometimes

Though they did spoof themselves on tech talk once and its one of my favorite scenes too cuz its very much like "Turbo Encabulator"

i just can't find it on YT

[crimson kelp]

Okay, then I shall skip over where they send whatsherface into a planet they know affects time, and completely forgot that she hasn’t been sending signals for years, it’s only been 30mins.

[full pivot]

but then you wouldn't get the cool superwave and that dramatic scene

if she remembered

[crimson kelp]

True, very true.

How about that no one gave a shit about Cooper’s son Tom?

Like whatever happened to him.

[thorn dawn]

https://youtu.be/P5EaoSA02LM?t=34 maybe

[crimson kelp]

Also there was like zero training. They just need to take off the next day and decided to make him Captain, he then, even not being a scientist, just knew that the dust on the ground was important.

[full pivot]

@thorn dawn you rock

[crimson kelp]

Firomactal Drive!

[thorn dawn]

you may know physics better than me but I know trek 😄

[full pivot]

and this is the other thing 😛

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

[thorn dawn]

In the same vein

[full pivot]

@crimson kelp sorry didn't mean to interrupt but i also gave you an out 😛

[thorn dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/vxjunkies

Less popular than it used to be tho

[full pivot]

i see 😛

[thorn dawn]

Let's try one of these in #401847751249362945

Dammit, Reddit ruined it

Attached a stupid watermark

[crimson kelp]

@full pivot haha, nope, my heart wasn’t in it anyway. Also told Red not to scroll.

Not that there was much of a rant anyway.

Was watching your video, funny.

[shadow tartan]

https://kotaku.com/star-wars-squadrons-is-getting-baby-yoda-bobbles-and-n-1845486183

[crimson kelp]

Altho don’t think they use lunar wane shafts anymore. Even low influx shafts fail to accurately calibrate grammeters.

[full pivot]

tangentially: how many of you have seen Birdemic: Shock and Terror

[thorn dawn]

Nope

DescriptionA sexy lingerie model and a successful software salesman go on a weekend getaway to a quaint northern California town.

Sounds errr 😄

[full pivot]

hold on!

there's a challenge to watching it and i was thinkin' if anyone wanted to do the Birdemic challenge

[crimson kelp]

Linear or semi vertical high flux novashaft usage is far more cost effective and calibrates the grammeters to the thousandth of a joule.

[full pivot]

we could have a watch party

[thorn dawn]

Could do. Starting when?

[crimson kelp]

Wow I really need to type faster on the phone rofl.

[full pivot]

You get bronze if you make it through the opening credits, silver for halfway, and gold for the whole thing

[austere lance]

Is the challenge "Try not to cry laughing while witnessing the spectacular special effects"

[full pivot]

idk when i wanted to measure interest 😛

[thorn dawn]

Budget: 10,000 USD

Lol

[daring spear]

So is this for just not rage-quitting the viewing or

[crimson kelp]

Well, I have several gadgets 💪

Will just watch smthing else on the side.

[daring spear]

Tricky tricky

[crimson kelp]

Woah romantic horror.

[thorn dawn]

RoHo

[austere lance]

Birdemic is uh, something

[crimson kelp]

Need some rioja w/ that.

[thorn dawn]

Fancy

[full pivot]

its not really rage enducing i don't think

just so bad that you'd have better things to spend time on

[daring spear]

Lol

[loud slate]

Sorry I just have to say I like this ED shot, and I wish NMS could have in-cockpit shots like this

[winter yew]

rust players are losing their mind over event items coming back on sale

it's pretty funny

[crimson kelp]

Rust player here, can confirm. Don’t appreciate being laughed at. =_=

[shadow tartan]

@echo hill https://youtu.be/dVKZ1D0oQUA

[winter yew]

game economies are almost always laughably bad

wouldn't really get angry over some cheap items

[crimson kelp]

https://youtu.be/Pg-QoRF6bq4

[cinder vessel]

i genuinely keep forgetting Rust is a thing

[thorn dawn]

never had you down as a masochist @crimson kelp

🙂

[cinder vessel]

oh whoa, it actually left Early Access?!

I was convinced it was one of those forever in Early Access titles

[winter yew]

yes it left early access

[austere lance]

@cinder vessel In name only, lol. It's still the same

[winter yew]

i played it for a hour

i haven't played it since

[cinder vessel]

"Please try not to compare the game to some other finished game or some idealised version you have in your head," said Newman, "Compare the game now to how it was when we entered Early Access. That's the delta that we feel qualifies us to leave Early Access. Think of it more like we're leaving Prototyping and entering Alpha."
🙄

[austere lance]

LMFAOOOOOO

[cinder vessel]

I am really tired of this trend in games

It's moves like this that make me just ignore Early Access altogether

Me: "When will your game be done?"
Dev: "When is ~anything~ ever done, maaan?"
Me: "Welp, moving on then."

[winter yew]

Early Access has become a way to release the game early while delaying any sort of real progression by slapping the title "in development" on it

I mean, it's not always the case but still

Feels like a lot of games end up rushed and half-finished, then they throw it out as "Early Access", so that they have an excuse for all the bugs

The main thing is that there's no way to know if they're actually gonna fucking finish the game when they do that

[austere lance]

The only Early Access I've seen actually working is Grounded's. It's been pretty fun to watch, every month they drop one big content update then refine it til the next big one. Player input is a huge part of it too, they do QOL patches and tweaks in-between big updates based on player info.

They just opened up a testing server people can join too, so people can check out and help find issues with new content before it drops

THAT'S how you do Early Access

[glass plinth]

Well, to be honest, the cost to develop a game has expotentially gone up. As the costs go up, standard production cycles become increasingly difficult. If a company wants control over its release, they require EA or otherwise they end up becoming dependent on larger studios which force them to develop games at a pace and manner which isnt befitting the project

its all about money in the end

Personally Id rather have a Early access game of larger scale games, then the alternatives.

Now large scale studios making early access games to milk money, that irritates me.

One of the best cases for early access I got to try was Rimworld.

Absolutely understandable the game took so long to develop, also they needed the money to develop the game.

[crimson kelp]

@thorn dawn ha, you don’t want to know how many hours I have played it.

Also, very much a masochist.

[cinder vessel]

It's a balancing act, without a doubt, however I can't help seeing next to no reason to move on from Early Access if you're still more or less in prerelease development stages.

That's what gets me more than anything, because the moment you do that, whether you mean to or not, you're being completely fucking misleading about the state of your game.

You drop the Early Access/In Development label, I expect the game to be in something resembling a standard release state, not alpha or beta. If you continue to develop a game afterward with free content updates, cool, but I don't expect that from any release state game.

[thorn dawn]

I couldn't play rust

just knowing that I'm one bad decision from losing everything

[glass plinth]

I agree Leon

If you drop the label, the game should be functioning

[crimson kelp]

You don’t have what it takes!

[thorn dawn]

I do not

I am weak

[glass plinth]

Lol

[crimson kelp]

Hehe. Okay, gonna play NMS now.

[glass plinth]

I dont like the rust community

To toxic

[thorn dawn]

I'm torn, I kinda wanna poke around the new update

kinda wanna play nier

[cinder vessel]

Tbh a company I would be very curious to see dabble with Early Access, even though it would probably backfire, is Bethesda.

[crimson kelp]

Automata

[thorn dawn]

kinda should do a bit of work

[crimson kelp]

Wow, torn between quite a bit.

[thorn dawn]

make my decisions for me

[crimson kelp]

NMS, ez

[thorn dawn]

k

Did you see the patch notes?

[glass plinth]

Eh, I never would play a Bethesda game in EA, though now that its owned by Microsoft.. not sure

Bethesda never releases a functioning game

[crimson kelp]

Nah, just updated. Had a shitty day at work.

[glass plinth]

ever

[bronze wind]

Larian did a good job with Divinity 2

Haven't tried Baldur's Gate 3 though

[cinder vessel]

That's why I'd be curious to see them try Jahnri, lol

[thorn dawn]

https://www.nomanssky.com/2020/10/halloween-update/

[cinder vessel]

Would Early Access help Bethesda release something more functional for a change? Probably not, but it would be nice if it helped

[warm ingot]

Nah, just updated. Had a shitty day at work.
2nd half is a mood :/

[cinder vessel]

Honestly, decent games making their way through Early Access are a little more of an exception than the rule, at least imo. Albeit I am very much aware of a good number of decent games making their way through it

[crimson kelp]

Oo I want some of that chromatic trail!

Who is Andrew Burt?! That’s hell of a artwork.

[thorn dawn]

random redditor

[crimson kelp]

Can you see your followers on Reddit?

Not the notification when someone follows you. Like a list.

[thorn dawn]

idk

[crimson kelp]

Apparently I have a grand total of 14. No idea why.

[thorn dawn]

don't really know how the follower things work

do you post things to your profile?

[crimson kelp]

Well, I follow this artist, so I get notified when they post something.

Like for viewers? Nope.

I don’t even upload sketches.

[thorn dawn]

hm

do you post more than once a year unlike me?

[crimson kelp]

Mostly poems and aerospace news lol

[thorn dawn]

might be the poems

[crimson kelp]

And please. Like you haven’t seen my reddit page.

They are not OGs tho. Oh well.

[thorn dawn]

I'm aware it's linked on your discord profile 😛

But I haven't studied it extensively

I have this fear

that I'll read something about someone

and forget where I've learned it

and then repeat it to them

[crimson kelp]

Hahah

That is far too shrewd for me to make fun of, so I’ll hush.

[thorn dawn]

I just know myself too well 😄

ugh

forgot I needed to reassemble my office

had a new electric meter installed earlier

so the contents of the meter cupboard are everywhere

[crimson kelp]

For the flat?

Heh being self-aware might just be one good trait you have. :p

[thorn dawn]

Just the one?!

[raven frost]

HEY

[thorn dawn]

yeah, it's a decent sized cupboard

[raven frost]

VIDEO GAMES

🚪 🚶

[thorn dawn]

You could fit 5-6 people in stood up

another chopped up

[cinder vessel]

@raven frost whatcha playing

[raven frost]

TEAM FORTRESS 2

[cinder vessel]

huh

[keen dome]

omg a rainbow trail now with the Halloween update?