Did a strawman. Burned it to the ground.
#other-games
dry copper
@blazing torrent Your video reminds me of when I had friends. Those were the days.
Is that a starter planet before your ships are even working, and you are together?
How?
cinder vessel
You can just start a new save & have a friend join you
glass plinth
Yups
though Id never start with someone, everyones always running around like their heads coming off
Meanwhile Im calmly walking to my ship fine
Lol
dry copper
What a mess this video is. It's like watching old people screaming at a game of scrabble..."YABO ISN'T A WORD, CHRISTINE!"
It's funny tho.
If I had any genuine criticism, it would be to not use ambient music, play the game audio even if no music, contextualize the video by adding an opening narration and close with narration. I like the chemistry tho...I see a lot of Yogscast potential there.
I look forward to seeing more videos
glass plinth
Hrmm
Music can ruin a game or video or make it eh?
Thats something I really appreciate about some games, if they spend time to compose music for the video game
austere lance
Nier Automata soundtrack>
glass plinth
Genshin I actually enjoy. Orchestrals recorded at the philharmonic in shanghai
dry copper
Genshin's music is awesome
I uninstalled the game, but by far the music was the best feature
I just didn't have the time to play how much I knew it would make me
glass plinth
Yeah, the music is good enough i downloaded it.
There is this one moment your going up a mountain and i mean TALL mountain
When your going up the music sorta ramps up and when you see the cloud sea below it explodes
the way they timed it, pure awe inspiring music
Hrmm, what made you think you needed to spend a lot of time in the game?
cinder vessel
well for one it's a RPG /s
glass plinth
Well, thats on you at that point i suppose
I mean, its not much different then a lot of the roguelikes
cinder vessel
Roguelikes are good for quick session-based play tho
glass plinth
So is genshin though
Exploration and missions are really 20 mins max per piece
Hrmm
I could say games like Everquest 2, WoW, those are time hogs
hell, some raids, ugh
I hated waiting for groups so much in raids. Hour long wait, for 2 hour raid
cinder vessel
bleh
glass plinth
Im not a fan of that really.
cinder vessel
Not to mention just getting the groups coordinated
glass plinth
I guess Elderscrolls online was a bit better timed
Missions were substantially shorter
Then you had games like ED where going to another planet once took me 32 hours.
austere lance
I like Destiny Strikes/their equivalent in other games over raids
glass plinth
yeah
Oh dont get me wrong, I enjoy ed, I dont mind the long times
Its solitary
I dont mind it
When you have people involved
Poo to that
austere lance
Travel in ED is painful
cinder vessel
I just don't see why you'd make any single act in a game take that long
glass plinth
All alone
Scale
Some people enjoy the time scales
Its really dependent on what you enjoy
austere lance
@cinder vessel It's not a single act, it's a boring process repeated hundreds of times for hours 
cinder vessel
I find it hard to believe the devs design it for that sorta reason tho
glass plinth
Im not playing for a huge hit of dopamine, or a immediate gratification
Oh they did
it was because some people enjoy the slow pace
cinder vessel
I'm more inclined to believe it's more about retention than player enjoyment
glass plinth
Old ed players really did
Nah
If you understood the mindset of some explorers, we actually enjoy it
cinder vessel
People play longer, feel more invested, more open to additional spending, etc. etc.
cinder vessel
Are you sure it's exploring and not just space hiking, lol
glass plinth
I only saw maybe 2 planets like that
out of 10k i explored
Yes! You hit it on the nose! It is space hiking
Long, sometimes painful, but beautiful
Most worlds only take maybe 4 mins to get to
austere lance
ED travel:
-Select planet to go to
-Hit Y
-Watch the fancy travel screen
-Avoid star
-Hit Y
-Watch the fancy travel screen
-Avoid star
-Repeat 5-20 times depending on distance you're traveling (or repeat hundreds of times if you're going really far)
cinder vessel
Because I 100% don't understand hiking, I get exploration, at least, in the sense of charting lands & regions of space, looking for what's not been seen before, that sort of thing.
Hiking, as in, just going along a path for the sake of going along a path, not so much
glass plinth
ED, send out probe, reposition, find rare materials, explore planets for artifacts so on
Thats more my exploration cycle
cinder vessel
I mean ffs I was toying with topographical surveying in NMS for a bit there
glass plinth
Pain
I enjoy pain
Try hiking 21 miles, 1 day, up a 32 percent grade
through a ravine made of obsidian
cinder vessel
lol, well as long as you're honest with yourself
glass plinth
NOW THATS fun
I enjoy overcoming pain
I enjoy pushing my body to new limits
Each time you push further
Of course the plus is, it gets easier and you can go even further
Mind you the scenery is badass too
cinder vessel
Yeah, but in games? It's not pain, it's just artificial tedium
cinder vessel
Not sure what solitude has to do with it tbh
austere lance
Yeah, but in games? It's not pain, it's just artificial tedium
@cinder vessel
You don't like that ED travel experience I posted? 🤣
glass plinth
Frankly, my weirdest trip happened when i hit a 6 g world
nearly took the nose off my ship, way out on the rim
LOADS of data
worth more money then you can imagine
Bout clipped the edge of a crater coming down, lota system dmg
limping back home was difficult
I ended up running into pirates near the edge of colonized space
Bloody close call
cinder vessel
Interesting thing, I think the closest anything has gotten to making me sorta understand the hiking mindset, is Death Stranding
glass plinth
Thats why I play
hrmm
The first time I felt it , Id ran from home
Well more like decided i was going for awhile
Grabbed a shotgun, food, pack, tent, left a note.
I ran off into the woods for a week.
My dad left me out there mind you, he knew I was fine.
Just wandering, pushing my body, eating off the land
daring spear
Ah yes. Walter Red
glass plinth
You get a sense of emptiness when your in such a situation
You dont feel as much pressure
cinder vessel
Like Death Stranding makes it incredibly easy to fumble & stumble, generally screw up and lose your stuff, possibly even just die
Yet a good bit of focus, preparation, & patience, and you can weather through with barely any harm or damage to your load
glass plinth
You can sorta mentally find a zen place
Yeah
Thats a bit like how i feel in ED
only on a longer scale
Genshin is substantially more immediate gratification
Explore, find chests, fight, figure out your daily routine
Its rather easy to just go out and wander
I dont feel any pressure to do anything persay
cinder vessel
Death Stranding is also sorta weirdly respectful of time, gives you a rough idea of how long to get to places as I recall, rarely takes over an hour or more, least if you're prepared
glass plinth
yeah, I never worry about travel time
1 hour, 32
all the same
I just log when im not into it
Although with genshin, you have teleporters
So that allows you to go as fast or as slow as you want.
cinder vessel
32 would turn into years for me, because I'd be so put off from it, that if ever I returned I might only make a couple hours more along the trip
glass plinth
I guess the next update will allow you to drop a portable portal anywhere you want.
Eh
I almost turned around
I wont lie
I only went so far out because it was the only rogue planet id ever ran into
I wanted to see what it was like
Really was a amazing view
But yeah, I think the reason I play genshin is, I can achieve a lot in as little time as I want
Im not shooting for maxing out all my characters and stuff though
Some people get psychotic doing that
Me, Im happy with whatever i end up with at the end.
Min maxing is just stupid to me
cinder vessel
min/maxers make me want to scream, lol
austere lance
My lizard brain likes basically any games of the Arkane variety. And phat RPG's. And whatever the absolute fuck Nier Automata is classified as, LMAO
cinder vessel
dat cool shit™
austere lance
Tho sometimes my lizard brain says "Mech makes things go boom" and I play Titanfall 2, lol
cinder vessel
i should play more daemon x machina at some point
austere lance
Two of my friends play the shit out of Japanese games and I basically never do, but I'm further ahead in Nier than both of them
tiny otter
isn't titanfall 2 twenty bucks
austere lance
Tho one of them is weird and refuses to play games on anything but the hardest difficulty, so he got absolutely annihilated in Nier and gave up
cinder vessel
lol
austere lance
@tiny otter I got the Ultimate Edition for $4, lol. It's the price it always goes on sale for on consoles 😆
tiny otter
what?
4 bucks?
damn
I'm guessing there is going to be another sale for like christmas maybe?
cinder vessel
good chance of that, yeah
tiny otter
the game looks really cool
cinder vessel
paper beast is gooood~
glass plinth
And home
Frankly the only time I min max is long rpgs
Where I specialize my character
I actually dont do it often, when I do its usually just because Ive had time
wet warren
Really should buy that game when I can
glass plinth
Really is beautiful
Exo something was another game i wanted to check out with similar graphics
Sabine as well!
wet warren
Watching the first minute of the start got me really interested. It felt so dreamlike and beautiful. Plus I instantly got attached to that first creature you encounter lol
Also fourth wall breaking to it looks like
And when I watched the ABG video I thought it was one of those short 30 minute long games. Then I ended up figuring out it's not which makes me happy
austere lance
charred badge
ok that not-Alexander was a fun ight
cinder vessel
dry copper
@austere lance haha explosion go bwoom
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/372377/EA_hit_with_class_action_lawsuit_in_Canada_over_loot_box_usage.php
@austere lance This lawsuit actually has a good chance of getting traction in the courts due to the second argument where it violates Consumer Protection.
I have filed numerous complaints with consumer protection agencies in Canada and they are incredibly responsive to issues.
Consumer advocacy in Canada is high priority
austere lance
If they hit EA with it they have to hit Activision-Blizzard, Microsoft, Ubisoft, and a crazy amount of other big publishers
dry copper
We've had ASC Truth in Advertising working with consumer advocates for years. It's a relationship built in heaven.
No. What will end up happening is EA will curb the availability of specific services on servers accessible in Canada
EA will settle.
They're not going to risk losing this.
austere lance
Right, by why go after just EA
When every single huge publishing company on earth has lootboxes in at least one game now
dry copper
A couple reasons I imagine. I can't speak to the intimate details of the case, but there is a case to be made for the target demographic, the method of payment used by the games, the refund policies of the company, their history with consumer affairs complaints and as mentioned in the claim, their transparency with odds.
coarse swift
EA Games
Influence Everything.
dry copper
Also, their propensity for making the reward from lootboxes impact advancement.
A lot of companies include loot boxes but work to limit their capacity for advancement, focusing instead of cosmetics.
They are convenient, but not the only means of production
charred badge
it's a fish with robo wings?
the cosmetic system allows resizing and repositioning accessories, within limits
dry copper
I wonder what level gear those uh...females, are wearing
charred badge
the fish is a hat
charred badge
pso2 ignores costume for stats. "armor" is what other games would call accessories, lol
cinder vessel
A lot of companies include loot boxes but work to limit their capacity for advancement, focusing instead of cosmetics.
@dry copper i don't imagine a court would be interested in the distinction between rewards that impact progress vs. cosmetics.
the point is you're paying money to gamble at a chance for a reward, end of
dry copper
It would be hilarious if you hid your boob armor, it also removed your boobs
dry copper
"Welcome to Skyrim with poor mesh editing"
charred badge
hah, there's an action shot for completing an urgent quest
rigid haven
Is this for the Castrum Demonica urgent??
The one that's pretty much just a buster quest
rigid haven
You gotta get a ways through ep. 5 to start them, so that's fine
cinder vessel
Hmm, well I'll be damned, gave the GOG version of Fallout 3 a spin and haven't hit the issues I did with the Steam version.
winter yew
GOG fixes issues though.
All Fallout versions are fixed on GOG.
I think I'm gunna play some FO3 over this weekend.
cinder vessel
yeah, tbh i picked up fo3 & new vegas again via GOG 'cause I'm pretty sure you'd mentioned them working better, and i've kept telling myself to grab'em on sale somewhen
Woulda done that from the start, but they just weren't available through GOG at the time I initially got'em
shadow tartan
full pivot
shadow tartan
@full pivot I was waiting for someone to mention that glorious show!
I'm going to rewatch it all very soon.
Interested of they're just jumping in the Dune bandwagon though.
Also, this song. You were clearly born in the wrong time.
To the medieval fair you shall go.
fallen notch
They show the 80s version
*70s version
silver sparrow
original was better
shadow tartan
coarse swift
You gotta be kidding me
No wonder Stadia is doing so damn poorly
Not much correlation to be had between the two I'm sure, but having a guy with that mindset on board is doing them no favors.
crisp sparrow
so apparently, literally buying the game doesn't count as paying
I hope I never grow up to have such horrible takes
thorn dawn
honestly
crisp sparrow
I THINK he meant the f2p games?
thorn dawn
I think it's something that's going to come up very soon
crisp sparrow
like Valorant
coarse swift
f2p games could be the only excuse
thorn dawn
As more people move to services like 'playstation now' or 'stadia', game companies are going to try and find new ways to generate cash
thorn dawn
and streamers earning multimillions are an obvious target
coarse swift
crisp sparrow
the best way to generate cash is to make top influences play your game
and people will buy the game
just like what Fall Guys are doing
crisp sparrow
no streamer will actually go for it
its like charging a celebrity for using your phone
coarse swift
A lot of streamers will go for it
crisp sparrow
when its the opposite
coarse swift
Many are whales enough as it is
thorn dawn
they won't care
coarse swift
^
thorn dawn
why?
crisp sparrow
Nintendo did and it fell flat on their faces
coarse swift
All the more reason for me to never consider streaming 
thorn dawn
Because gamers are well known for sticking to boycotts right? 🙄
crisp sparrow
nobody was willing to pay them to get the streaming license
gamers? this isn't about gamers?
I'm talking celebrities
no idiot is going to ask a celebrity "hey can you play my game and pay me 10 bucks a month while you're streaming it?"
thorn dawn
of course not
crisp sparrow
when all of them do the opposite
thorn dawn
'10 bucks a month or your channel is banned' is a much more appealing proposition
crisp sparrow
again not enforceable
thorn dawn
that's what everyone said about the music industry and youtube
and yet
now we have contentID
thorn dawn
why does that make it different?
crisp sparrow
there's no interaction with music, only play or pause
thorn dawn
but what makes it different
legally speaking
because in both instances, copyrighted sounds and imagery are being displayed over a digital medium
crisp sparrow
music is not transformative, games are
thorn dawn
that's a hard sell tbh, a game is being used in the intended way so it's not transformative
you could maybe argue it's a performance
crisp sparrow
playing music on your channel that you don't own is completely different from playing a game
thorn dawn
but, elements from a performance can still be subject to license
But you don't own the game either
you license the game
owning games went out the window 10+ years ago
I understand your position, but I think the more shitty games companies are gonna have a go
Starting with on-demand game services
crisp sparrow
ok even with that logic, streaming a game is transformative because games are interactive, need user input to continue playing, and players have different experience from playing it themselves versus watching someone else play
thorn dawn
being transformative isn't necessarily a carte blanche to ignore the rightsholder - a work can be transformative, and still require licensing, especially if the rightsholder explicitly mentions transformation limits in that license
crisp sparrow
that's the same with music too - if you just post someone else's music its not transformative but if you edit the music with effects etc that it becomes a transformative work that is not the original, its legal
thorn dawn
it cuts both ways
creative commons uses the fact that you can place limits on transformation
crisp sparrow
most US copyrights dont really care about it iirc
as long as the piece was used in a transformative manner that does not relate to the original
thorn dawn
all it'd take is a little line in the PS Now EULA that says 'no streaming allowed without express permission'
crisp sparrow
theoretically sure but realistically everybody already knows that video games are different from music/movies
the couple times someone tried this, has backfired hard so it wont keep working for them
because game streaming is too different from music streaming
thorn dawn
No one has committed to it though
crisp sparrow
and by game streaming I mean influencers playing video games and recording their reactions/comments
crisp sparrow
actually you can do the same with music too
thorn dawn
I mean would people do? Sell their xbox?
crisp sparrow
they just wont stream?
it doesnt hurt them
it only hurts the game as there's less popularity on streaming sites
thorn dawn
Getting people onto subscription services is just the start of trying to control the industry the same way music does.
crisp sparrow
again are we talking about people-streaming-on-twitch or are we talking about Google Stadia like services?
crisp sparrow
the former will literally never work out because only the top minority of minorities stream their gameplay for profit
those who don't, just wont stream
thorn dawn
- once critical mass is gained and people would rather die than cancel their subscriptions and rebuy all their games, change the TOS to ban certain things
crisp sparrow
only the company is being hurt in this way
austere lance
These mfers gonna get sued to oblivion
https://mobile.twitter.com/IGN/status/1310973378560430084
crisp sparrow
nah I still disagree, it just cannot happen in any distant future
crisp sparrow
stadia-like services will definitely become popular in the future though, I mean I'm ready to pay a monthly sub to xbox game pass (Game Pass is already very popular and very few people complain)
winter yew
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/strayfawnstudio/the-wandering-village One problem. Kickstarter.
thorn dawn
Sure, I see you're position, I just think things will turn out differently, having seen it happen elsewhere in other industries
Not sure if you're familiar with Atlassian but they've executed phase 3 of the above plan this week
Requiring everyone to either move to their cloud offering, or pay an 90%+ price hike
crisp sparrow
but it makes sense in those industries, its catered to the individual
individuals are listening to music, watching movies, playing games
bronze wind
Nintendo tried the licensing thing and it crashed and burned almost immediately lol
crisp sparrow
individuals are not creating music, creating movies, streaming games
bronze wind
If that's what you guys are discussing
thorn dawn
sorta zoid
but nintendo are too nice
EA wouldn't have folded
Need to remember that video game companies don't exist to make games - they exist to make shareholders money.
bronze wind
Yes I'm aware
crisp sparrow
there's no popular site where you have to PAY to post content
so this model clearly cannot exist
bronze wind
I don't see it happening any time soon though. Nintendo is the least "nice" when it comes to their IP too lol
crisp sparrow
btw Nintendo dropped that licensing thing a long time ago
crisp sparrow
like imagine some fukin CEO going "hey let's make a tiktok clone but people have to PAY a monthly fee to post their creative videos!"
same idea with game streaming
bronze wind
It was weird hearing that take from the stadia creative director because you still have to buy the games lol
thorn dawn
Not in the immediate future no, on demand gaming services are nowhere near critical mass
crisp sparrow
like I said I think he meant the f2p games
crisp sparrow
there's no future where something like this can exist for any medium, let alone gaming
bronze wind
I just don't think it makes much sense. Developers literally give their games to streamers for free
Because it's free advertising essentially
crisp sparrow
there's no premium music uploading site, there's no premium video uploading site, because that model cannot work
instead they all pay YOU if you're doing well
to keep you in their system
as it gets them revenue too for the people who listen/watch
just like twitch/youtube right now with paid livestreams
bronze wind
I think this is maybe a different discussion than I thought lol
What sort of system are you talking about?
crisp sparrow
System where you as a game streamer have to pay the developer of the game to be able to stream said game
austere lance
The Outer Worlds just released on Steam and it's 50% off til Nov 6
crisp sparrow
For your viewers or whatever
bronze wind
yeah i don't think that comparison works with music at all
if you were making money on a music streaming platform it's because you're an artist uploading original tracks
crisp sparrow
Exactly lol, like I pointed out there's no current system like this for any media, forget gaming
bronze wind
well i mean the example you made up isn't even parallel
you'd have to be like, streaming music you own and talking over it or something lol, which I guess some people do. And that's technically covered under copyright which is why there' royalty free music
crisp sparrow
Why not? You're using instruments that you bought and then making music out of it, am I going to then pay the company who made the instrument another license to be able to use it?
bronze wind
ehh i think that's a stretch comparison lol, but in general i agree with the fact that it's just not a sustainable model
crisp sparrow
It's obviously not the perfect analogy but it gets the point across
bronze wind
the biggest issue with the idea is the impact it would have on smaller streamers
like i'm sure there would be terms and stuff around that but it's just a mess
crisp sparrow
Yeah like I said smaller streamers will just stop playing the game, complain about it and the followers will just riot and down goes your publicity
thorn dawn
or they just wouldn't
youtube don't care about their smaller creators
they just ban them left and right
bronze wind
Most platforms don't honestly
they do very little to actually promote them other than a category on the homepage for "small streams"
crisp sparrow
And like I said playing video games and streaming it is transformative so it falls under fair use, that's why it's so hard to actually enforce it properly and we still had streamers playing Nintendo games without getting that license
bronze wind
Yeah Nintendo's initial creator program thing was pretty rough as well
they took like 30% of your ad revenue if you were a part of it but you could basically do whatever you wanted, but in cases where you weren't primarily streaming nintendo games it's baffling to think a streamer wouldn't just refrain from streaming their games lol
It's different if their content is purely nintendo because then it's a toss up of "will i lose more than 30% of my audience ad revenue from switching to different games" vs the 30% cut to Nintendo
thorn dawn
"just don't do that" is only a viable option until everyone does it
which is why getting a critical mass onto subscription services is a necessary step
austere lance
Where's Hex boi so I can tell him about The Outer Worlds 😤
crisp sparrow
just tag him smh
full pivot
nah
full pivot
i already did with no response
cyan isle
I scrolled up, wait apex is still a thing?
cyan isle
Well valorant is one of the most unoriginal games of the past few years.
When the paid streamers stoped playing it, its hype really died.
austere lance
holy shit its expensive
@crisp sparrow
What's expensive?
willow crypt
If anyone has hbo, I recommend the limited series 'The Third Day'
glass plinth
Yup and ill check it out
All part of a test program i got into on amazon
Some special tv package
20 bucks, almost all the cable channels
willow crypt
Nice
glass plinth
Not sure itll go public though, i cant see howd theyd make money lol
willow crypt
Very good deal
glass plinth
Man the new season of discovery is good
I really enjoy the call backs to star trek and yet, times moved on so far its evolved, quite a bit
Not to mention the artstyle is fanstastic
willow crypt
That's a show I need to give another shot to
glass plinth
Season 3 sorta leaves the same genre as 1 and 2 just to be aware
full pivot
cinder vessel
i should give that game a try at some point
austere lance
It's so unbelievabley boring with 700 different menus
crisp sparrow
What's expensive?
@austere lance The Outer Worlds, its as much as Death Stranding
austere lance
It's $30
crisp sparrow
they usually do regional pricing
austere lance
Oh, here in the US it's 50% off
crisp sparrow
$30 is around ₹899, but this is equivalent to $60 (₹1799)
non discounted is too expensive only super rich indian kids would buy it
glass plinth
Lol sound
If you think stellaris menus are bad, wait until you try Europa Universalis
That damned game is a menu god
Once your used to Stellaris menus though, its quite easy
a very broad game
full pivot
i mean its a 4x game
there's gonna be menus on menus
and really its like anything
if you don't like the genre you won't like the game
glass plinth
Hrmm
I seem to remember Galactic Civilizations was really streamlined
Planetfall wasnt bad either.
never was interested in Outerworlds.
I watched friends playing it and while it looked good, it was incredibly short. I dont generally play short rpgs.
I think it boils down to replayability, exploration potential and complex outcomes. Games that dont achieve that bore me way to quickly.
cinder vessel
Better short that bogged down with bland filler & grind tho tbh
On a different note, this game looks kinda charming:
https://twitter.com/thepumpkinjack/status/1319658260773933058
crisp sparrow
yeah I played TOW once, enjoyed it but didnt feel like replaying
cinder vessel
i lost interest before finishing it
willow crypt
I'll be more interested in the outer worlds 2 if it has a wider scope and the environments don't feel so small and restricted
I did enjoy it though
crisp sparrow
the thumbnail made me think the beard had to go away for better fps
austere lance
Lol
For some reason they decided to give you a Dave Bautista skin for Marcus that you can use in the campaign, that's who's in the thumbnail 😆
crisp sparrow
oh wow lmao
austere lance
It's not just a skin tho, Bautista even re-did all of the original Marcus's voice lines
shadow tartan
austere lance
Got bored and installed Fable II so I could have the whole trilogy installed, lol. I downloaded Fallout 3 too 😆
cinder vessel
i'm really confused by Bethesda's weird fascination with babbies in Fallout
I kinda forgot 3 had you literally start from birth
glass plinth
Huh, so a studio is having to test Dynamic ecosystems.
This is interesting stuff.
I plant something, it seeds, grows, so the entire ecosystem is growing around me.
Gota admit, im amazed they pulled this off without much lag.
dry copper
A non descript association
glass plinth
A fuck up and you get sued to high hell
winter yew
:[
dry copper
The most epic 4v1 minecraft I've ever seen
Dude wipes out the entire hunting party REPEATEDLY in the most insane ways
austere lance
It's fuckin blizzarding outside so I'm kicking back with a mug of tea and some Fallout 3, lol
austere lance
Yeah, there's a blizzard outside
silver sparrow
i prefer my blizzards from the dairy queen
austere lance
Possibly gonna have 7 inches of snow tonight
austere lance
Lol, I'm in Washington state
winter yew
@austere lance https://twitter.com/captainboones/status/1319691143915864064
dude i follow on twitter that lives in your state haha
ignore the 'furry' costume, he lives in the woods and throws knives
austere lance
shadow tartan
winter yew
what
winter yew
updating my iphone is a pain in the ass
dry copper
"forget"
winter yew
hm
dry copper
I refuse to own any apple hardware.
EVen tho I really want that tablet with that drawing app
winter yew
the what
dry copper
Apple Ipad with Procreate
winter yew
oh right
shadow tartan
winter yew
oh god https://old.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/jgmxel/orbiter_home_update_witness_what_reaching_max/
cerulean plover
Whats everyones opinion on Bioshock?
austere lance
Bioshock Collection is a fuckin fantastic deal and I love it
cerulean plover
I just looked in all my owned games and saw Bioshock and Bioshock 2 remastered
I was like
Welp
dry copper
@cerulean plover Bioshock is good. I'm waiting for a good new System Shock sequel.
cerulean plover
Yea that would be nice
austere lance
Twitter
dry copper
Watch Alex Hutchinson dig his own grave
Talk about an incompetent "creative director"...He should leave the legalese of interpreting licensing to his betters.
shadow tartan
Well it's his personal Twitter and he's entitled to an opinion. Google made a statement saying it was nothing to do with them.
Typhoon had already made JTTSP and then got bought by Google and to my knowledge they are a good team of very talented people.
I shared the story earlier and it's something I've been thinking about and recently discussed with a few people.
The point he brought up is a valid one but won't be supported.
Some of those opinions can change how things work in the industry so they should be heard. It can't just come from consumers, which is most of what we hear.
dry copper
@shadow tartan It's not a valid point at all.
You can't claim revenue from other peoples transformative works.
shadow tartan
I disagree with what he's saying but I wouldn't put it past some people to start pushing for it in the near future
Depending on who decides it can be treated like music
Which would suck
dry copper
EA has been trying to squeek that logic into play for years.
Games as a service...Everything as a service.
shadow tartan
I agree with the responses from people encouraging the symbiotic relationship
Games as a service seems to be one of the ways publishers seemed to survive but it won't last for long
Not in its current state
dry copper
Oh it's going to survive. It's going to likely be the reason Microsoft buys EA.
shadow tartan
Not a bad thing
I expected them to buy WB Games division too
Someone needs to
Lots of good IPs
dry copper
The future of games as a service will likely resemble Gamepass
dry copper
Which, in reality is the best that one can hope for
shadow tartan
Completely agree, people have issues with MS which I understand but they are good at what they do.
dry copper
My only issue with microsoft is their heavy handed grip on titles.
They've gotten better over the years
shadow tartan
I always say nobody is as bad as Nintendo
Most stringent standards for submission
They only got relaxed on Switch
Kinda
And look at how they protect Mario
Shutting down fan projects
dry copper
Mario is their bread and butter. They don't have much more to offer.
shadow tartan
Not to mention when they feel threatened by similar titles and get petty
dry copper
...but bread...and butter.
dry copper
Zelda is a fart in the wind. A story replayed so many times in so many ways, it's nothing but a brand name. Mario had a successful game series, movie, tv series, a cult following and on top of that, a lot less controversy.
shadow tartan
It's guaranteed money though
dry copper
While Zelda is nice, I just....can't see that as a reason to consider it much more of an asset
Is it?
shadow tartan
Yeah that and Mario Kart
dry copper
I'm out of touch with the nintendo market.
dry copper
Mario Kart twisted metal style would be awesome
shadow tartan
People taking the day off work for release
raven frost
what happened to mister stadia guy again
dry copper
Alex Hutchinson?
shadow tartan
I don't even think he feels that strongly about it
dry copper
He talked shit and got smacked down by every industry professional worth their salt, then his employer was like..."Whoa...yeah that's not our opinion"
raven frost
oh
dry copper
Basically he said that content creators should be paying for licenses to stream video games they already purchased.
It was his argument that streaming is not a transformative work.
shadow tartan
Well, he did mention it's down to publishers
dry copper
I'll be the first to say bs to that. As someone that goes on twitch and sees a shitty streamer playing a good game, I won't watch it.
shadow tartan
Which is so weird, having that conversation this week.
dry copper
Doesn't matter how good the game is, if the streamer is shit
shadow tartan
Yup
That's the content
The game is there but they're supposed to entertain their viewers
However, what he mentioned about publishers is something that people shouldn't take lightly
dry copper
Streamers have been the sole reason for some of my game purchases
Game looks okay, streamer sells it like a champ
Esp indie games
shadow tartan
It would take so long to implement it too. Imagine having to strike people for doing the thing that made the platforms and some games popular in the first place.
But no doubt it's a bigger discussion that is already happening
dry copper
I'm angry. OrbitTVOfficial disappeared after ONE video Nevermind. I typed the wrong url
winter yew
i just buy the game
most times i won't agree with negative user reviews nor pretentious critic reviews
perfect example would be kingdom come: deliverance
reviews are filled with people giving it a one star because they suck ass
dry copper
Not a very good example at all
Look at the like to dislike ratio.
The validity of any single review is moot against the tide.
I read more than a single review
dry copper
Really?
shadow tartan
Yup
dry copper
....How do you feel about buying bridges from strangers on the internet?
shadow tartan
Even when it was magazine based, all with a pinch of salt
I'm not gullible, I don't buy any old game
Plus I get a lot for free
shadow tartan
But there are lots of reviews that are only based off one person's experience of the game
I get free things because of work
winter yew
i was talking about console reviews
shadow tartan
Any reviews
There were some shit games I played that I actually liked
They had some features or mechanic that I could analyse and understand and possibly recreate
But better
dry copper
I'm certainly not going to say any single review is the be-all end-all. Everything deserves a good ole grain of salt. In terms of kingdom come, for instance, I can certainly understand frustration, but at the same time it's so worth learning that ultimately the good outweighed the bad. That, from both the perspective of someone that reads reviews and someone that has played the game.
shadow tartan
Kingdom Come was good fun, I remember trying it at PC Gamer Expo
winter yew
most if not all negative reviews for kcd on the xbox store were about combat and/or lockpicking
shadow tartan
I have it on PC but haven't had a chance to sit and play it
dry copper
Mind you I haven't read console reviews...I don't play on consoles...I can't really speak to the review market on console games, but I'd hope it was somewhat similar to pc
winter yew
it really doesn't give you a good insight whenever all your critical reviews are just from people who were shit at the game
i am willing to wager that the controls are much more unfamiliar on console than pc
shadow tartan
I see what Mumbles is saying
shadow tartan
I do read reviews but not for the opinion of the game if that makes sense
dry copper
It does
dry copper
I read reviews looking for glaring issues and shining criticisms and praise...I look forward to seeing for instance, how toxic the customers are.
shadow tartan
"They can be added to feedback in Trello"
Along with all the other suggestions and stuff
winter yew
for the most part
most negative reviews on the xbox store are stupid
i think it's just because it's xbox
dry copper
Is that the same as the microsoft store?
shadow tartan
Negative reviews are always that little bit extra harsh
winter yew
but they're not the same no
dry copper
Borat 2 came out today on Amazon.
dry copper
I actually considered buying a prime sub just to see it, but then I realized I don't care.
winter yew
i've been trying to update my iphone for a couple hours or so now
it is painful trying to back it up
austere lance
@dry copper Better watch it before it gets sued to oblivion by Trump 🤣
winter yew
for some reason my iphone won't let me just update it normally
it also won't let me update it via itunes
winter yew
so i am going have to restore it
dry copper
I like Sacha Baron Cohen.
winter yew
but i want to back it up so i don't lose everything
dry copper
The man makes a mockery out of things that should be mocked.
winter yew
and that turns out to be a problem since nothing really works
shadow tartan
Which iPhone?
winter yew
as expected apple ditched 11.4 already and it's buggy as hell
shadow tartan
@dry copper I used to watch Ali G when I was younger, he made fun of MPs here and it was embarrassing
Nah mankinis are all good if you're on a stag
Bachelor party
dry copper
Not an animal?
shadow tartan
Or if you lose a bet
winter yew
i've never seen someone wear a mankini
shadow tartan
I'm not speaking from experience
winter yew
a male anyway
shadow tartan
Stag party is what we have before we get married
dry copper
glances out the window Rolling Thunder, hear my cry
shadow tartan
Last night of debauchery
austere lance
@dry copper The man filmed himself sneaking into one of Pence's bs "Covid will disappear in a week" rallies by dressing up as Trump, dude is so gonna get sued 🤣
dry copper
It's storming like a mofo
I hope he does get sued and I hope he laughs it onto the front page
shadow tartan
I watched a video from American news
The dude responded as Borat and then later as himself
With the actress
I swear
Everything looks like a shit show right now
Especially after what he said about social media and how media is irresponsible
dry copper
I would like to see a fundamental change in advertising standards in North America tbh
Truth in advertising is important.
It shouldn't be turned off during election season
It's even more important for office
winter yew
are ads not fact checked very often
dry copper
Depends on the country, or in some cases the state.
In America ad standards are pretty meh
shadow tartan
I have to ask how you feel about advertising during important political debates
Sweden and some of Scandinavia have strict advertising rules I think
dry copper
Canada has a consumer advocacy group called Advertising Standards Canada, that pushes to enforce advertising standards with broadcasters
A joe blow can complain to them with a valid issue and they will take it up
I've had nearly half a dozen commercial advertisements pulled for lies.
and I have the thank you letters from the ASC for it
In terms of advertising for office, my principles are simple. No attack ads. If you can't win on the merits of your own application for office, you shouldn't have run.
austere lance
Time for some Brutal Legend 👌
dry copper
Is that a guitar game?
shadow tartan
No fuckin way
Really Mumbles
Good on ya
I had to deal with the office of agriculture in Canada
So helpful
austere lance
@dry copper It's a Double Fine game where you're Jack Black as a roadie for a metal band who goes to Hell and fights demons with a bunch of famous metal musicians 😆
winter yew
brutal legend is awesome
dry copper
I find, if you have a legit issue and you approach the right people with the right attitude, you can get a lot done.
People respond to good ideas.
winter yew
are you playing it because it's on gamepass now or something
dry copper
Black got Jacked for Brutal Legend
austere lance
@winter yew I'm playing it rn cuz it got added to Game Pass 😆
🤣
He wishes he did, lol
dry copper
Shhh, he's muscular in his voice-ish
He actually sounds like an angry smoker
Or a fisherman with no boat
austere lance
Anywho, it's a fun hack and slash game with a bunch of famous metal musicians in it (including Ozzy)
Sometimes it turns into an RTS
dry copper
I wonder if Ozzy is named for Ozymandias.
shadow tartan
Ozzy from Black Sabbath?
winter yew
ok i managed to jailbreak my iphone again
shadow tartan
Ozzy Osbourne
shadow tartan
Naughty
dry copper
I didn't know Joseph Gorden Levitt had a singing voice
winter yew
that's all i needed though
dry copper
Or does he?
winter yew
i can finally backup my root and then i can wipe my phone
this is what i get for storing shit where i'm not supposed to
winter yew
who is schmoyoho
dry copper
Music crew that make parodies.
shadow tartan
They're around my dad's age
He shouldn't be running a bath unsupervised let alone a country
winter yew
well to be fair
he was elected
couldn't really just say "nevermind we don't want you now"
maybe they ought to put an age requirement
well i'm glad that i found a working jailbreak after installing a shitload of software onto my pc
dry copper
They do have an age requirement, but it only applies to the lower bracket
Otherwise, AOC could've run
Hell, she probably would've
The minimum age if memory serves is 35.
Ooooooooh, I just thought of a great merging of stories
TENACIOUS D and BILL & TED's Excellent Adventure
winter yew
i meant maximum age
i'm well aware there's a minimum one
however, i've never heard of a maximum one
dry copper
It's weird to have a president who is so old that in any other job he or she would be forced to retire.
But the same can be said of any elected position
dry copper
People who elect seniors have only themselves to blame for getting seniors.
winter yew
it's too bad #serious is restricted to level 15
wide kestrel
Chung
dry copper
...Umm, of course they're not dead.
wide kestrel
I notice you have a pfp now
winter yew
indeed
wide kestrel
Good.
winter yew
i wouldn't dare go without one
wide kestrel
Yes.
winter yew
what is the key of awesome
dry copper
They were another parody crew from years ago. They were fantastic.
They put Schmoyoho on the map during their inception
dry copper
Sweet. Got one of the two purchases I have planned before Cyberpunk
Outer Worlds and later this month, Watchdogs Legion
So glad they releaseed on steam right out of the gate on sale
50% off
cinder vessel
Outer Worlds is also on GOG
charred badge
and MS
cinder vessel
wut
charred badge
heh
I'm still annoyed that the store doesn't have a "free with gamepass" category
austere lance
Bruh Nier Automata really do be making me feel bad for killing these bosses, why they gotta have tragic backstories 😭
charred badge
because shadow of the colossus happened
cinder vessel
hey now, tragedies happened in games before that, lmao
charred badge
but SoTC really crystalized it
cinder vessel
||Aerith & Lavitz tho||
charred badge
||aerith and Spinning Cane|| dying in a game is completely different from everything you're killing actually having a tragic backstory and generally not looking like a great deed
cinder vessel
lmao
I mean, do the colossi have a tragic backstory? I feel like I missed something the way you're talking
charred badge
@cinder vessel eh, they're mostly just peaceful living gods that you track down and murder to feed a ||dark god||
but the "oh god, do you really think this is the right thing to do?" factor is big
austere lance
I uh, just learned the secret of Project YoRHa and humanity in Nier Automata 👀
Had to read through some wiki stuff cuz a bunch of it was related to the Gestalt and Replicant games, but fucking A that is some heavy shit
charred badge
and it all ties back to a game ||about a guy and dragon teaming up to fight a war||
broken prairie
Anyone here paly COH2?
austere lance
NO, I READ TOO FAR INTO THE WIKI AND GOT THE FINAL ENDING OF AUTOMATA SPOILED
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
charred badge
RIP
austere lance
cinder vessel
eh, they're mostly just peaceful living gods that you track down and murder to feed a ||dark god||
@charred badge see...that's definitely not how i read it
daring spear
crisp sparrow
same
broken prairie
worn jacinth
crisp sparrow
I would like to bring everyone's attention to the evolution of Champion Gary/Blue's theme over the years in Pokemon game's history:
red/blue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXgAj5KdAC0
black/white: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrVw5rnwdrE
sun/moon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNZ7gllxeZs
let's go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsvjir_z5lg
fleet moat
Daydreaming @crimson kelp Sigh...soooo lovely 
The voice. The melody. The lyrics. Thank youuuuu
crimson kelp
Heh, my pleasure.
Been listening to it on and off since 8:00. Glad you like it. Their ‘in your dreams’ is quite good, but too chaotic for morning.
dry copper
@steel sigil omg this song has been an earwig in my mind for two days now....PEOPLE WON'T BE PEOPLE WHEN THEY HEAR THIS SOUND!
The more I think about it, the more brilliant this song becomes. It's like a love letter to madness and disassociation.
...and it commits the worst crimes in musical production.
REPETITION ABUSE
balmy plaza
dry copper
@shadow tartan I'm getting old. I thought looking at that graphic, "Solasta: Crown of the Magister", actually read "Solasta: Clown of the Mattress"
charred badge
@cinder vessel yeah, the ending recontextualizes the whole game, and brings focus on little ominous things that are easily dismissed
It's pretty great
shadow tartan
raven frost
@crisp sparrow I-
cinder vessel
eyes and mouth
yeah, the ending recontextualizes the whole game, and brings focus on little ominous things that are easily dismissed
@charred badge i finished it though...Is there a true ending i missed?
full pivot
guys guyss guysss!!! what kind of species should i be 😮
i guess i'll let the game open first and then i'll show the list
downloading an update 😐
the hard part is honestly choosing an alien
the only type not shown on the left hand list is "lithoid"
literally how did they appeal to me so hardcore with this 
full pivot
i almost feel like i should play as machines
bold crag
and you can yeet them onto new planets with a meteorite
full pivot
this is gonna be really hard to choose dude
bold crag
machines are nice because they don't need food
but then again lithoids also don't need food
Also i think machines are also immortal as long as you maintain them
bold crag
brr
full pivot
glass plinth
I play a space Khajiit
full pivot
im a machineeeeee
glass plinth
I love my mercantile race. I usually end up so well connected with enemies, that the ai just ignore me
full pivot
with a relic world
full pivot
i was gonna do post apocalypse but it wouldnt let me with robos
glass plinth
It really is a great game.
shadow tartan
full pivot
with the interface it def won't straight up show you stuff
but with my imagination its perfect
dry copper
@shadow tartan That's disgusting. Here, subscribe to our service and we'll nickel and dime you to raise your tier.
as a new tier of Xbox Game Pass membership
shadow tartan
Yeah they already have Gold, making another tier is a bit dick
But the streaming stick is a nice idea
winter yew
i mean
the platinum tier is literally giving you hardware
so unless they raised the price of regular gamepass then i'm doubting they're just going to hand out that stuff for free
wouldn't really call microsoft disgusting for not giving gamepass users free hardware with no additional cost
glass plinth
Yeah, thats just practical
dry copper
Elaborate
glass plinth
Well from a corporate standpoint
Lol, Im the devils advocate, Im the sort of person that proposes ideas to squeeze money out of people.
Its just part of the economy
winter yew
i wouldn't really say it's squeezing money out of people
more like not giving away shit for free
glass plinth
Mark my words, you will pay for toliet paper in a bathroom soon
dry copper
I don't see how they're giving you access to hardware. If anything, it looks like server architecture, like stadia does.
winter yew
streaming sticks are physical
dry copper
Really?
dry copper
Ooooh It's like that craptastic google chrome stick
winter yew
it's also promising to give you all future hardware (whatever that means)
it's not very clear really
shadow tartan
Microsoft has been known to not mind having losses for hardware if they can get the devices into people's homes
It's what they did for 360
dry copper
Sounds like they're trying to get in on the ground floor of streaming by restructuring its technology.
shadow tartan
They lost a shit load of money on core and premium packs
winter yew
it's not like it was a massive failure or anything
shadow tartan
Kinect is just kinect
winter yew
they also just like
stopped including the kinect
since it fucked their sales
so i am going to have to disagree with that statement
shadow tartan
It gets included in other hardware or they silently admit it was a failure and pointless
winter yew
everyone knows it was a failure
shadow tartan
Kinect had a lot of potential but people didn't want to use it
winter yew
it raised the price of the console
shadow tartan
Plus Rare was the only studio making games for it
winter yew
which made their competitors have higher sales
shadow tartan
Yeah but MS don't care
dry copper
I try to limit weighing in on console shenanigans, personally, but I think for consoles this might address a gap in streaming, vs pc
winter yew
MS doesn't care?
why did they exclude the kinect after a bit then?
not adding up really
i mean your entire claim doesn't make sense really
shadow tartan
They excluded it because they likely stopped producing it after people stopped buying it
winter yew
not only does MS gain nothing out of throwing useless shit into their products
but the consumers don't as well
right, so MS cares then?
and it's not that people were buying the kinect
it's that people were buying the console less
because it was at a higher price tag since it included the kinect
shadow tartan
When I say MS doesn't care I mean they don't mind making a loss for a mistake
They don't always play safe which at times can be admirable
winter yew
companies won't admit it but they do
shadow tartan
Because everyone plays it safe
Even Nintendo in their weird way
They care about Game Pass though
winter yew
i am sure the costs of game pass are well covered by the subscription fees
now adding a bunch of free hardware onto it?
that probably won't work out without charging extra
shadow tartan
A streaming stick will be nice