Souls fans are a whole different breed of gamer, lol
#other-games
bronze wind
I think when you're used to playing more difficult games there's that level of adrenaline and satisfaction. But I personally just get annoyed and it affects my IRL mood so I stop
winter yew
I started playing games on easy difficulty cause I realized I don't give a shit about proving anything to myself.
Mostly why I stay away from Souls like games tbh ๐
willow crypt
Yup.
bronze wind
Yeah for sure
I like a little challenge but I have a hard time sticking with souls likes now
willow crypt
I usually play on medium but it's just to give myself a tiny bit of a challenge, but I don't really care and I'll sometimes do easy
How I wish I could play a 'story mode' in sekiro
And other souls games
cinder vessel
I started playing games on easy difficulty cause I realized I don't give a shit about proving anything to myself.
@winter yew tbh i should start doing this too, but more because higher difficulties in pretty much every game are BS increases to health/damage
full pivot
souls games are all about memorizing something which is prolly a key to why certain people like them; the repetitiveness
its also why speedrunning seems the be a theme
cinder vessel
for me souls-likes usually don't click as much as the original material, because the originals tend to have more interesting worldbuilding to me
i wonder if ashen would click with me ๐ค
willow crypt
Soul says its good
winter yew
I keep debating it.
willow crypt
Not as difficult
cinder vessel
the art style interests me
willow crypt
Mhm
winter yew
Super nice.
full pivot
Fallen Order is supposed to be soulslike but it def takes a lot of edges off in a good way
i.e. falling off a ledge does damage to you and not insta-kill
austere lance
Fallen Order has the best difficulty selection I've ever seen
willow crypt
Good
full pivot
probably my least favorite aspect of soulslike games are intentionally built areas where you can easily fall off to exploit the mechanic
feels like exploiting; Dark Souls II had the worst
cinder vessel
Would be interested to see some Fallen Order influenced/inspired games
austere lance
full pivot
a cave where the invisible walls made it very hard to stay on a narrow path even though there was nothing you were colliding with
willow crypt
That'd bug me
cinder vessel
Yeah, when Souls games do that precarious environment crap it gets really annoying
And they've done that since Demon's Souls
full pivot
at least they never went full on platforming
cinder vessel
Yeah
willow crypt
Wonder how they'll change up the formula for their Future souls games
austere lance
The JFO difficulty selection was brilliant because none of the options affected enemy health or your outgoing damage. You could play on the hardest difficulty and still kill enemies in the same amount of hits it would take in Story Mode
full pivot
Sekiro was a change of formula; unfortunately it was almost rhythm based parrying combat
and parrying was never my thing in Dark Souls
full pivot
i think because bloodborne still wasn't based around parrying even though it was more "encouraged"
you pretty much cant defeat certain enemies if you don't dance with them in Sekiro from what i understand xD
cinder vessel
maybe when Fallen Order goes way on the cheap I'll pick it up, but the Star Wars setting puts me off tbh
willow crypt
But yeah @austere lance if they introduced difficulty options like JFO theyd be much more appealing and accessible
austere lance
It's a good little self-contained point in Star Wars, I was surprised. Honestly you don't have to know anything besides basic SW stuff like what a lightsaber and a padawan is ๐
cinder vessel
somehow i'm just burnt out on SW stuff, even without actively engaging with anything to do with it
willow crypt
Makes sense
austere lance
Plus the characters are all relatable, they're not annoying preachy Jedi or Sith
willow crypt
We've been pounded with Star wars stuff
balmy plaza
Tbh I'd be happier if they stuck with spinoff stuff and left the sky walker well alone
austere lance
I like the puzzles, they're not brain-dead but not stupidly difficult either
austere lance
There's some tombs you get to explore with entertaining puzzles in em, definitely wasn't expecting that in SW ๐
full pivot
def spin-off a good Star Wars game we'll get something like Mass Effect again lol
cinder vessel
pls no
austere lance
Knights of the Old Republic ๐
balmy plaza
Yeah it had a good balance of fun and difficulty. My one complaint is that there were too many animal fights
austere lance
Pls bring those back
full pivot
Mass Effect is one of my all time favorites 
austere lance
@balmy plaza Fuck them space goats bruh 
cinder vessel
Oh wait, that reminds me, haven't there been rumors going around about a ME remaster?
austere lance
People who haven't played JFO don't understand the fear of God that space goats put into you
cinder vessel
If that happens, maybe I'll give it another shot, because ME1 has a crummy PC port
austere lance
ME trilogy remaster is almost as badly a kept secret as the Fable reboot was, lol
balmy plaza
@austere lance the first space goat must have killed me like 3 times somehow lol
austere lance
FUCK THEM SPACE GOATS
cinder vessel
Even with mods to improve some stuff...It just...Struggles at times.
austere lance
I was like "Lol, noob goat starter enemy ain't shit" then it beat my ass
cinder vessel
Tbh maybe I should play it without mods, maybe those have created more trouble than they're worth ๐ค
Although they were just some basic spit & shine visual mods
full pivot
ME1 is awkward
willow crypt
There are also goats in Wasteland 3
cinder vessel
It isn't the gameplay I have an issue with, for what it's worth
I know that's what most fans of the series will go straight to
austere lance
ME1 severely needs a Mafia Definitive Edition style remake to put the gameplay on par with the others
full pivot
its just awkward
the PC port at least fixes the normandy elevator
at the sacrifice of Garrus LoD
cinder vessel
It really is...I can't tell for the life of me if maybe the console versions would feel any better to play or not
austere lance
They at least work
full pivot
if you want that elevator to the cargo bay of the normandy to take a painful amount of time play it on xbox lol
cinder vessel
๐ฑ
The ability usage on the PC version just feels...Weird, like ya said, awkward
And same to trying to direct your party
austere lance
I played the trilogy again last year with backwards compatibility, only thing I had to worry about with ME1 was the ass combat
full pivot
its not that bad once you figure it out and stop letting the AI do anything
cinder vessel
My favorite part of ME1 are the Mako(?) sequences and using its silly physics to wiggle it into places it's not supposed to go and clearing enemies
austere lance
"If you pick any class besides the Soldier you're gonna sway like a drunken steer when you attempt to aim a sniper!"
full pivot
unless you're an infiltrator and use the assassination ability
which is what i always play as
austere lance
Blessed be ME 2 and letting you change your class from what you had in the last game
full pivot
im probably just gonna stay as infiltrator again
austere lance
I liked the tech sniper, was that infiltrator?
full pivot
yeah its the only sniper user outside of soldier in ME1
you get a nifty bullet time effect in ME2 from scoping
cinder vessel
smh why was i using the game's screenshot functionality, lol
it saves to .bmp and nothing likes that format, lol
cinder vessel
mako is the best
merry dagger
i am part of the problem
cinder vessel
not like they give you a choice
merry dagger
i'm fine with a limited physical release but....really...digital too?
cinder vessel
limited availability basically screws you into either buying right away or getting scalped
merry dagger
like i know why they did it ,because then FOMO kicks in and everyone buys it
but it's fucking stupid
merry dagger
^^^^
full pivot
manipulated me into not buying it
austere lance
Me and my nonexistent Switch, lol
merry dagger
i really enjoy collecting switch titles personally
as much as i hate supporting this, i'd rather get it now than get it for significantly more down the line
full pivot
id like to play sunshine one day but i actually can't stand mario 64 so its not worth it to me
merry dagger
additionally i don't have Sunshine or Galaxy on physical media
full pivot
already have galaxy
cinder vessel
i just wish Nintendo fans would get fed up with this. Not the first time Nintendo has pulled this crap
cinder vessel
Well, the others, like the hardcore ones
Some of them go out of their way to defend this stuff and it's weird af
merry dagger
Sunshine is good, playing it without analog triggers is going to be a pain in the ass
also don't get a physical copy because jfc
cinder vessel
wut
merry dagger
at the very least if you want a loose disc you're gonna be paying like $40
and that's if your lucky
cinder vessel
Ooh
full pivot
ive played them all i just didn't finish them or anything
cinder vessel
For a sec i thought you meant the new thing
meager notch
cinder vessel
Unless maybe you try other weapons and like them more, I'm not sure you'll like it if you're not already.
Like get past Gascoigne or at least to them, and if you still don't like it, it probably just isn't for you
acoustic solar
Sunshine has a fun unique mood to it
winter yew
oh shit oh fuck
bound to happen eventually unfortunately.
Beast has been slain. ๐
dry copper
@winter yew waste3?
winter yew
ye
austere lance
Ah yes, a smaller Scarab from Halo
winter yew
Ooooh snap!
It's in polish, I know, so, there's this perk.
It has like 5% chance to sell one of your junk items as antique, that sells for 50x the normal value.
Problem being, it works on stacks. So if you carry high stacks of shit, and then one of those items gets turned into an antique, the entire stack gets turned into antiques, and they all sell for 50x the normal value. For example, I know cashed in 143k. ๐
dry copper
Ooooh snap!
@winter yew
Any time I hear "Ooooh snap!" my mind falls into a Fergie Ferg
austere lance
cinder vessel
Let's try that again...@crisp sparrow, you come across any of these yet in Windbound?
Hmm, so looks like the rumor for ME trilogy remaster release date was initially set for somewhen October, but may have been pushed back
cinder vessel
Uhhh, 1 could use it at least
austere lance
I can
dry copper
The technology hasn't really progressed much between 1-3
cinder vessel
1 was released in that weird time when PC ports were more mixed
So 1 remastered, if it meant a better PC version, would be nice
austere lance
ME1 has ass gameplay and none of the games run particularly well on pc. And NONE of them are on current-gen, besides through Xbox backwards compatibility
cinder vessel
Hey now, ME3 is on Wii U that's...Current-gen adjacent!
austere lance
Lol
dry copper
You know what deserves a remake....Who Framed Roger Rabbit. That game needs to be remade for the new technology
lavish obsidian
@austere lance me2 is probably the most technically sound of the trilogy, i'd argue
scales to 4k, arbitrary framerate support unlike 3, etc etc..
though i'd love to see some extra care put in for the lowpoly models and compressed textures
and some animations touched up
austere lance
And a not stock image of Tali in ME3 ๐คฃ
lavish obsidian
oh yeah!!!
just not put it in at all i suppose
people got with her for the hips and personality, not to rip the mask open and see what's inside
or at least that's what i felt from people talking about tali
winter yew
fawking hell this was messy https://youtu.be/N4hSZu0aTsQ
crisp sparrow
Let's try that again... you come across any of these yet in Windbound?
@cinder vessel yoo what's that, I'm still stuck at the 4th chapter lol
dry copper
cinder vessel
@crisp sparrow I dunno! I saw a light in the distance and this was what I found. I can't seem to interact with it, but then I haven't made it through chapter 2 yet
crisp sparrow
Oh so its that early huh
I'm having this weird bug where everything I kill shoots off into the sky never to come back
austere lance
LOL
cinder vessel
I only ran into that when they were clearly clipping into other stuff
spiral shell
instant hate
crisp sparrow
oh also the animals sometimes start attacking each other for no reason
then one of them will blast off into space
cinder vessel
lol
I guess many folks haven't been reporting that as much, given the latest dev post mentions mainly hearing about crashes & frustrations with survival stuff
austere lance
cinder vessel
@crisp sparrow so uhh, i imagine you may already know by now, but beware the explosive ammo for the sling
crisp sparrow
what's up with it
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crisp sparrow
I've been using it once I got some from those pots
and boy did it one shot the gloomharrow
cinder vessel
well if whatever you're aiming at gets too close and it hits you go boom too, as one might expect
crisp sparrow
I thought so haha
also the gem bows are pretty lit
especially that one which absorbs damage
cinder vessel
Just made that mistake ๐
crisp sparrow
oof
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you wouldn't believe how salty WF players are about that
cinder vessel
WF? 
Anyway, was just playing a brief bit while waiting on food to finish. Figures I'd blow myself up in the process
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warframe
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explosive self damage
crisp sparrow
oh lel
cinder vessel
i think the description told me as much, but i was split between getting gored to death or killing it, and took my chances, lol
dry copper
Man...I miss these treks in skyrim.
There are just so many moments where it reminds of you its potential...stuffed in between the gobs of shit that make up it's presentation
prime bridge
they certainly did some research on the thumbnails of the average youtube vids and recreated them quite on spot :V
spiral pulsar
New Mario galaxy pls ๐
gentle wave
@crystal yacht https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/ij48bf/rfuckepic_for_dummies_2020_edition/
@sand marsh link applys to you too
crystal yacht
gdamn, someone is angry here ๐คฃ
I can feel the rage coming off this post in 5 letters
full pivot
gamer stuff lol
full pivot
personally i stopped using it cuz it was too buggy atm
gentle wave
competition is healthy, epic is not
full pivot
Origin was also awful when it came out, and also Steam was awful when it came out
sand marsh
Steam is still a buggy mess sometimes
gentle wave
@full pivot there is other stuff
Mistreating its employees
Exploiting Children
Fortnite
How Epic operates
The Epic Store & Launcher
Third-party Exclusives
ePiC gAmEs iS gOoD fOr DeVs
Epic Security (lol)
Undermining Crowdfunding, Epically
Linux
Tencent
Epic & Lawsuits
Timmeh
Epic Greed
crisp sparrow
Fortnite
full pivot
exploiting children what
sand marsh
Where did all that come from ?
full pivot
the rest sounds like bs
gentle wave
@full pivot its all cited
full pivot
OH lootboxes are exploiting children lmao
i thought it was like the diamond business or something xD
ok now im really not interested
crisp sparrow
I was imagining Epic running some sweatshop of kids
lavish obsidian
they are trying really hard for dev friendly practices though
more education resources, more asset crashcourses, etc
crisp sparrow
a year of exclusivity sounds quite friendly
gentle wave
@lavish obsidian In less than 4 weeks on Steam, Fall Guys sold more than the top 7 games on the Epic Store sold in 2019 combined.
lavish obsidian
not getting into the games store argument just to be sure, but they are trying hard to help folks even without epic exclusivity deals
full pivot
well idk how else they're supposed to run a launcher if they aren't trying to get exclusive games and draw people to it
i mean i thought everyone was past bitching about exclusives when every console does it 
gentle wave
they can get it by making it a good launcher, and having people come natually
lavish obsidian
for what i know they are miles better at support and education resources than unity at the moment
crisp sparrow
yeah but a year is too much lol
full pivot
im just too centralized on Steam to move to another thing; and I don't mind waiting
crisp sparrow
I dont mind waiting either but its still a little annoying for me
gentle wave
full pivot
its mostly that I forget things that aren't on Steam exist haha
crisp sparrow
that risk is only from people not having common sense
gentle wave
Twitter
lavish obsidian
don't bring down the entire dev scene built around it, that's all i'm saying
crisp sparrow
same
lavish obsidian
the dev initiative programs?
full pivot
no the complaints about epic
crisp sparrow
no the epic hate
full pivot
that list of things
lavish obsidian
yeah exactly
gentle wave
@lavish obsidian epic is not good for devs
crisp sparrow
well, gamer shit and paranochina
lavish obsidian
the launcher is barebones and devoid of optimization, that's for sure
legit complaint
full pivot
man a company is greedy these days if they ask for money for a game haha
crisp sparrow
will take them time to make a good launcher, at least it gets updated frequently
full pivot
mhm
lavish obsidian
customer security-wise
that is not a legitimate argument against any of the stuff they've done for devs
full pivot
also complaints about Fortnite are to be expected with how big it is; but i haven't seen much about the EGS
lavish obsidian
take for example, the megascans acquisition: a massive PBR library made free for unreal engine devs, with slashed prices for unity devs
gentle wave
full pivot
why don't you present the argument instead of linking articles and expecting us to read them
full pivot
nah titles notoriously say nothing for internet articles
crisp sparrow
A response from Epic denies that they were involved in the organizing/sponsoring of the tournament.
full pivot
ofc it sounds sensational
crisp sparrow
so Epic is not responsible for a tournament they held?
full pivot
i'd just prefer arguments to be made in one's own words for me to be more interested in hearing them
lavish obsidian
this is massive towards the democratization of triple-a graphics quality
full pivot
then i'll do research later if i get intrigued
lavish obsidian
indie developers cannot just magick photorealistic assets, textures, and materials into existence
gentle wave
In a dozen interviews conducted by Polygon over a period of several months, current and former employees say they regularly worked in excess of 70-hour weeks, with some reporting 100-hour weeks
that sounds like treating game devs amazing
Although contract staff were paid overtime, developers report a culture of fear, in which they were expected to pull long hours as part of their job.
full pivot
"culture of fear" even though they're getting paid OT
gentle wave
โI know some people who just refused to work weekends, and then we missed a deadline because their part of the package wasnโt completed, and they were fired,โ
lavish obsidian
look, all i'm saying is that they are trying to help eliminate hurdles in development for indies, and it's not lip service
gentle wave
fear of getting fired
full pivot
yeah missing a deadline is no good
gentle wave
constant, unrealalistic deadlines
full pivot
none of that is unprecedented either
gentle wave
its still shit
lavish obsidian
they're making sure that the hardest aspects of development are handled by publicly available tools, the purpose of a game engine
full pivot
if that bothers you you'll have a difficult time supporting anything
gentle wave
I do not support any company that does that
full pivot
then you must not support many
gentle wave
that is true
full pivot
i'll keep my doubts on that one ๐
lavish obsidian
right have fun with that
gentle wave
I mostly use open source stuff
aside from games, of corse
you should try to give money to companys that do not treat there empoyies like dogshit
lavish obsidian
what games do you like
full pivot
so you never play a AAA game basically
lavish obsidian
tell me, what games do you enjoy the most
gentle wave
Mostly games in the vein of hollow knight, dead cells
lavish obsidian
right, enjoy your games then
gentle wave
thank you
Tripple A stuff is not known for its quality
I actually dont even own skyrim
winter yew
Such a weird battle to fight.
full pivot
Death Stranding is amazing
crisp sparrow
I've seen weirder in the main channel
gentle wave
I fight it for many reasons
Epic games seems to do nothing right, or at least, the stuff they do right is out balenced by wrong in that field
lavish obsidian
it has really gotten to me about how the push for democratization in triple-a quality graphics has been ridiculed and overshadowed by gamer rage
full pivot
its one of those arguments i'll never understand; why exclusively attack one over any other
lavish obsidian
there, i said it
gentle wave
I would not have a problem if I was paying 50$ and then the game was not riddled with bugs and IAP
meager panther
Gamer rage . I didn't know i had a rage 
meager panther
lavish obsidian
full pivot
idk if there was much of a debate tbh
meager panther
I am ok with epic. Just not ok with who owns shares in epic and them taking stance like they did with apple
gentle wave
to each their own.
I will not be supporting epic for
Openly Hating Linux
Treating their emploees like shit
and stealing exclusives that PEOPLE backed to get a steam key, that they could not get, somtimes days away from launch
but to each their own
winter yew
Stealing exclusives - developer/publisher being approached has the option to say no.
By definition, that is not theft.
Most jobs people work now days they are treated like shit, thats not exclusive to game development.
full pivot
also "When you pre-purchase a title on Steam (and have paid for the title in advance), you can request a refund at any time prior to release of that title. The standard 14-day/two-hour refund period also applies, starting on the gameโs release date."
gentle wave
@winter yew but is it?
Lets say I backed a game. they said I would get a steam key at launch.
Epic comes. devs agree.
they stole my money.
@full pivot not always backing on steam
winter yew
That's on the Dev in that case,.not Epic.
full pivot
if you buy it somewhere else that's between you and them
Valve is clear they don't work with 3rd party steam key stuff
gentle wave
@full pivot Still stealing, as again, I was told, I would get a key
full pivot
gentle wave
@winter yew Its epic and the dev. epic knew very well what they were doing.
winter yew
I don't care for Epic at all but this is such a weird conversation that its hinging on satire.
bronze wind
It isn't stealing, backing a game isn't a purchase, it's a decision. And plenty of those campaigns will refund to steam key reward tier holders.
full pivot
if you buy a key from a third party site imo that's on you and you have no complaint if you can't get a refund
winter yew
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lavish obsidian
gentle wave
Correct
full pivot
im specifically referring to "and stealing exclusives that PEOPLE backed to get a steam key"
gentle wave
Epic was not the store front I was told I would get a key on
full pivot
a STEAM KEY will be refuned only if you buy it from Valve aka Steam
if you buy it from a third party its on you and between you and that distributor
so i don't sympathise
gentle wave
@full pivot if I buy a game from humble, and humble says I will get a steam key, I expect to get a steam key
I will come after humble
winter yew
I regret logging on Discord tbh.
crisp sparrow
yoooooo @cinder vessel I had no idea sharks were a thing, suddenly this hard hitting version of the boating music started so I was like "huh what did I unlock something? I don't see anyt- OH SHIT"
gentle wave
not valve
bronze wind
Its just something to take up with support then. Honestly it's such a miniscule issue I don't see why gamers have this gigantic fit over it
lavish obsidian
@winter yew pretty much
full pivot
its because people don't take responsibility for things they do
winter yew
@lavish obsidian I'm literally losing braincells.
gentle wave
I have done nothing.
Its my opinion that epic is a bad company
full pivot
cool
bronze wind
That's fine, if you don't want to buy stuff from them that's okay. If you aren't happy that you now own a game because it's not on the store you want, contact the support team for the developer
That's literally it
No one is stealing from you
bronze wind
I have a feeling they will given how angry gamers get when anything epic is involved
Ooblets did it but then again they were also harassed horribly and sent death threats so
Maybe that's the bar?
gentle wave
no
they dont
I never condone death threats
I also dont condone bait and switch
even if its legal, its still a shitty thing to do
full pivot
theyre absolutely not comparable
bronze wind
It's definitely not perfectly nice but it's also such a minor issue
bronze wind
Seems like just not having it on steam is the issue
bronze wind
Which are...
gentle wave
again, overworking their emploees with unrealalistic deadlines (sure, not exclusive to epic, so a minor issue)
winter yew
I used to be angry about Epic until I realized it literally doesn't affect me in anyway unless I choose for it.to.
bronze wind
You're assuming valve doesn't do this?
winter yew
Every business does this.
gentle wave
Valve is known, at least a bit, to be bettr
bronze wind
There are hardly any good guys in the game industry
full pivot
if you're not unionized being fired for whatever reason is essentially a fact of life
gentle wave
valve had a large period where they litterly told there emploies "do what interests you"
bronze wind
Every single employer does that
gentle wave
we will pay you to do what you want
winter yew
OK I'm done here.
bronze wind
My employer does that and I do client work
gentle wave
that is not true
gentle wave
no its not
bronze wind
Every single engineering company I've worked for says that
winter yew
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lavish obsidian
gentle wave
Epic does not
bronze wind
Yes I'm sure they don't lol
Because you have worked there and know
There's a difference between saying it and doing it btw
gentle wave
I know from a bunch of reports of it
bronze wind
Ah yes
gentle wave
both on valve, and on Epic
full pivot
im downloading ME2 and 3 getting ready to make another run through the trilogy, and yes Andromeda to give it a second chance haha
lavish obsidian
me2 plays really smooth, but i have to say - i would like it with better lighting and models
prime bridge
the trilogy was absolutely banger until you go back to earth in 3...
full pivot
there are some texture lighting mods i think? but yeah a remaster would be cool too
nah the whole trilogy was a banger for me
prime bridge
then shit rolls down hell at FTL speed
full pivot
the fact that you essentially lose no matter what was great
lavish obsidian
yes, modders did another lighting bake for all the maps, but not to the lighting model itself
full pivot
like you don't lose but you have to lose your life
lavish obsidian
still the 3 point light system
prime bridge
my head canon ending is everything wraps up at the end of the citadel DLC
full pivot
also whale its weird to me when going back through and noticing all the old graphics cuz i swear it looked better when i played it the first time xD
prime bridge
the real end is very anticlimatic, the war effort you've been supporting is all for naught. and you essentially made a giant aux battery for the reapers so they can let you choose how you die...
lavish obsidian
remaster rumors have been pretty consistent, and since they supposedly worked 3 years on this, kind of excited? trying not to think about the trilogy until october, though
prime bridge
yea I remember those spotty shadows in ME1 bothered the hell out of me
lavish obsidian
yeah especially for noveria and the black blob glitch haa
jeff grubb gave us a tentative timeframe for october, hope it's true
prime bridge
also they never bothered to fix the texture of ma boi Garrus in me1
willow crypt
thorn dawn
"No more delays for Cyberpunk 2077, CDPR says"
cinder vessel
@crisp sparrow lol nice
thorn dawn
Still november though
crisp sparrow
so that is a good thing?
thorn dawn
As long as it's actually finished.
The only thing worse than teasing an awesome game and then pushing the release date out by over 6 months is doing all that then half-assing it.
Lookin' at you, Sean.
crisp sparrow
kinda doubt they will considering their history but yeah you may never know
thorn dawn
CDPR have a good reputation. I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.
crisp sparrow
even when they announced the delay it was already known they still have insane crunch hours
thorn dawn
I just want it now. I could die tomorrow, y'know.
crisp sparrow
lmao I am definitely not that interested
aside from not being able to play it anyway because my system specs are too low
I could play it with reasonable FPS but it will look so bad (like TW3) it wouldn't be worth it
thorn dawn
What you need is some money to exchange for goods and services.
I hear there'll be a few 2080 Ti's going cheap soon
crisp sparrow
almost all the money we're earning is going for necessary expenses, wont be until next year that I can afford spending on luxuries like these
thorn dawn
Only slightly tear stained
bronze wind
If you weren't across the ocean I'd sell you my 2070 lol
just going to sell that and my rift s locally though
thorn dawn
I've got a whole pile of stuff I need to put on fleabay
they haven't had a free weekend in over a month though
running some stupid promotion where you get ebay vouchers instead
bronze wind
weird
i'm just gonna use craigslist most likely
or network among friends a little, though most of the people I know would rather spend more and get a new card I think
thorn dawn
craigslist never really took off in the UK
bronze wind
it's fairly solid here
thorn dawn
there's something called gumtree, but is mostly full of chancers and time wasters
austere lance
This is all I know about Gumtree
https://youtu.be/Mq_wZE93ZAY
thorn dawn
just skimmed over it but it seems very accurate
austere lance
Easily one of my favorite comedy stories, lol
austere lance
fluid hare
Lol
sand marsh
what's crazy, is that old crysis can still beat a lot of games even to this day
That game was truly ahead of it's time
cinder vessel
pretty boring art direction tho
thorn dawn
yeah, I mean any game can do this - you just need to pack in mega resolution textures, increase the polygon count of models to ridiculous levels
but.. they don't, because there are better things to spend the budget on
sand marsh
And almost everyone can run it
Back then even top tier hardware couldn't run the game at max
thorn dawn
making a game look good right now without relying on hardware being released in 10 years time is the real challenge
cinder vessel
also making it look good in a way that ages well is the eternal challenge
balmy plaza
That complaint about LOD is very nitpicky
Zoom in on any big map in any game and you'll get low quality stuff
cinder vessel
is a joke
balmy plaza
Idk it's twitter after all haha
cinder vessel
For any arcade racing fans around:
https://twitter.com/CurveDigital/status/1301858359591743490
austere lance
Is Watch Dogs 2 worth $5, first game was ass ๐
winter yew
Not if you think the first one was ass.
lol
looks like you missed the chance to get WD2 free last month
or whenever that was
austere lance
Free trial gang
austere lance
I guess it makes sense but I have to download the entire game to play the trial ๐
I'm finally gonna play Burial at Sea DLC
austere lance
Ngl this is already better than the main story in Bioshock Infinite, lol
austere lance
After finally starting the Burial at Sea DLC for Bioshock Infinite I'm extremely annoyed that I never played it before, it's a whole different animal compared to the main game
winter yew
Also burial at sea, never finished it. Got too annoyed personally. Good luck tho. ๐
balmy plaza
@winter yew love that guy
Can't spell or pronounce his name but his reviews are very funny
winter yew
Aye, can recommend.
austere lance
raven frost
I think I just found a massive exploit in HZD
||Charge up a shot with a bow, pause the game and turn the difficulty to story mode and it retains the damage dealt from the previous difficulty setting||
||that, or story is LITERALLY baby mode and everything is OHKO in story||
willow crypt
How did you know to test that wtf
raven frost
absolute anger in one of the story missions
wide kestrel
pcman hacker
raven frost
just complete fuckin rage
willow crypt
Pretty cool discovery
raven frost
||whatever I did, I managed to fucking nuke that corrupted bull thing in The Terror of the Sun in one shot using it||
willow crypt
Noice
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charred badge
Nope. Gratz
I'm just mr26, but I'm in no hurry to grind the stuff I'm missing
There's no real reward, after all
winter yew
I suppose
once you get past like... mr14 i think?
there's no real benefit other than larger standing pools
charred badge
I'm tempted to try despoiled spaghetti
Or ore gaze nidus
MR16 for all rivens.
MR18 for max secure lecta bonus credits, but nobody uses that anymore
It also scales the login rewards
Ahh the days of chroma secure lecta at that one dark sector defense node
winter yew
ah
raven frost
ULTIMATE POWAHHHHHHH
dry copper
coarse swift
@austere lance Graven looks awesome, thanks for making me aware of it
dry copper
Oh daamn I had no idea that the 3000 series card was going to be so cheap
This kind of technology jump hasn't happened in almost twenty years
I'm so glad my dude didn't get a 2080 for that build he posted a few weeks ago. 5700 is reasonable and cheap...and now he won't get gut punched on the launch of the 3000 series launch
cinder vessel
feel like i'm crazy but it still doesn't strike me as cheap, lol
i guess it's compared to price jumps in the past from new hardware?
coarse swift
Glad I've stuck with my 1060 this whole time
What I wonder is if I'll need to bump up my CPU if I make a jump to a 3080
i5 8600k works just fine, but Ryzen and i7's seem like they'd work well together with a new card
oak token
cinder vessel
watdis
crisp sparrow
I uninstalled windbound it can just fuck off now
Not touching it again until it's patched a few
I died and it deleted EVERYTHING and started the whole damn tutorial all over
cinder vessel
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crisp sparrow
Second time this happened
cinder vessel
Oh shit
Can't blame you there...I've been hesitant to play it for fear I might run into something like that
I can stand dying & starting from chapter 1, but if I had to redo the tutorial & unlock blessings/crafting stuff again, ugh
crisp sparrow
The blessings were still there but not working, my backpack increase one wouldn't activate
cinder vessel
P. much why I won't touch permadeath in NMS
crisp sparrow
Also I lost my 5k shards
cinder vessel
Oh weeirddd, you definitely hit the worst shit it sounds like
crisp sparrow
Yeah I'm just gonna forget about this game for a while and keep my eye out for patches
cinder vessel
Did you see where you can send your save over to them?
If for nothin' else than to help them fix the stuff
cinder vessel
I think I figured out the freeze bug I hit the other day...It seems like if you quit the game, then try to exit it too quickly, it hasn't had time to process that you quit yet so it gets hung up
crisp sparrow
Yeah that happens with me
cinder vessel
I appreciate that it seems like they're taking their time to sort through the reports and get a solid patch out that resolves issues, rather than rushed hotfix over hotfix...
...But ideally the game would just work.
austere lance
This is written by somebody who hated the race in the original game and never beat it but managed to beat it in this version through much suffering, lol
https://www.gamesradar.com/mafia-definitive-edition-might-have-fixed-the-infamous-racing-mission-but-its-still-a-massive-pain-in-the-ass/
dry copper
@austere lance What's the deal with definitive editions? If you have the normal edition it gets upgraded?
coarse swift
Only if it's Red Faction: Guerrilla
Definitive imo is just a fancier way of saying remastered
But it's probably literally different
thorn dawn
It's an odd use of definitive edition
Normally you see that where they re-release the game with all DLC and patches bundled
winter yew
Mafia 2 + 3 was exactly that.
Free upgrade for current owners.
I don't think Mafia 1 is the case though cause that's a remake not a remaster.
thorn dawn
But it's all marketing at the end of the day, so I guess it means what they want it to mean on a particular day
Maybe they just felt "remastered', "HD", "remake" was old and tired cause everyone is doing it right now
coarse swift
lavish obsidian
@coarse swift
crisp sparrow
I've seen a meme with that weird song but I don't remember what it was
lavish obsidian
perhaps this?
full pivot
finished ME1 again
lavish obsidian
thorn dawn
ok so I've got nothing particular to say but I think it's time we got the lizard slash lobster moving, so how bout dem RTX 3090's
cinder vessel
costs too much
austere lance
I've established that I'm fucking awful at Watch Dogs 2 and the stealth makes no sense, lol. If I shoot somebody with a stun gun it alerts everyone in the area and I get a 2 star wanted level ๐คฃ
thorn dawn
WD1 was worse
austere lance
I know, lol
thorn dawn
AI was fully telepathic
austere lance
WD1 being so bad is why I'm only trying the demo for this
austere lance
I don't even care about the story, the broken stealth is annoying
silver sparrow
i do most of my stealth with the rc and drone
thorny grove
PSA: game night begins in an hour. See #game-night for details. ๐๐ผ
winter yew
My personal view is WD1 story is better than 2 but world is better in WD2 than 1.
cinder vessel
i can't get over how bland and shitty Watch Dogs' protag is
thorn dawn
which one
cinder vessel
if i'm not saying 2 i mean 1
austere lance
WD 2 is just "Hur dur millenials are anti-establishment and hack things"
cinder vessel
WD1 is "Hur dur family die go REVENGE HAX"
winter yew
WD3 is gunna be "Hur dur lol Brexit xD HAX"
cinder vessel
And if they ever get around to it WD40 will be skipped for copyright/licensing reasons
winter yew
Yes, that's a bit of a slippery slope.
Gotta say, people complain that after Denver Wasteland 3 basically ends, and then it's just fight after fight, ehh, Aspen's been my fav location so far. ๐
Sure it had a lot of fighting, but now it's enjoyable at least, cause my characters are trained, plus it had some fun quirks, and the antagonist.
I wanted to gut him alive, fuck patriarch, but once I met him, he's one charismatic fucker. ๐
Also fight after fight, sure, but then again I kinda wiped entire Denver out as well, so...
austere lance
Car chases are still garbage in this, smh
winter yew
very much so
cinder vessel
austere lance
Interesting
austere lance
VR Minecraft sounds like a puke-fest, lol
unique lark
Oh nvm ig
But looks like itโs the lazy ass โonly use your head to look aroundโ kind of VR
Yup it is
Thanks Mojang,
winter yew
lol.
fluid hare
It may be updated in the future to something more immersive.
cinder vessel
it's minecraft, there's no immersion there, lol
fluid hare
I was talking about the controls being made more immersive rather than the game itself.
winter yew
O oh.
tight fit
Sure is golden. and annoying as fuck.
Also dead, but holy hell. He can off half your team in a single turn. ๐
willow crypt
Yes
winter yew
Something tells me that's not supposed to look like that.
oh well it worked, so I guess gg.
cinder vessel
Yoku's Island Express is goooood
austere lance
Said "fuck it" and got WD 2 for $6, lol
spiral shell
I found Promethus on youtube at 4k
like just straight up the movie
if anyone wants to start it soon and watch together feel free to queue it up!
thorny grove
nice!
spiral shell
seriously since nov 2019 wtf lol
its a great film even if it requires you fill in some plot holes
cinder vessel
Maan, this game has a look: https://www.gog.com/game/star_renegades
thorny grove
Phew
brisk merlin
crisp sparrow
What is that, some subwoofer
austere lance
Lol
crisp sparrow
no you were supposed to respond with "You sound like someone who has an agenda. Hope you enjoy your PS5."
austere lance
LMAO
winter yew
That was actually interesting.
As a side note, I didn't realize terrain generation was so "easy".
crisp sparrow
yeah its apparently that easy, but to get the textures just right seems like a godawful nightmare
easier to do for a game like astroneer that's quite low-poly
but NMS is in between realism and cartoony so now I understand how difficult it must be to make their algorithm produce such scenery
winter yew
Oh absolutely.
crisp sparrow
cant wait to see what ED will do (unless its also more or less the same with no crazy terrain)
full pivot
coarse swift
I recently learned about Guardians in ED
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Cannot wait for that uh
human mode or whatever its called
Back when I was playing it more... I never quite got the appeal of using land rovers
What exactly... they were supposed to do that a ship couldnt
full pivot
i mean ED already has terrain so you can get an idea of how it works by looking at the no atmosphere places
SpaceEngine-esque with maybe less crazy stuff going on
crisp sparrow
yeah I was wondering if they'll change it up for Odyssey or not
winter yew
I'm quite looking forward to playing. I'm also looking forward to people realizing that on foot exploration isn't the answer to the problem they think.
Lots of people claim it will change the game, it will have the same problem as NMS. Going to be a ton of people claiming it's all the same and planets are all similar and look alike.
Cause ya know, Space IRL is varied.
Xbox price leaks are now legit it seems.
$299 is a very nice entry price tbh.
Series X is "rumoured" $499,
Series X not even out yet and they've already announced the S?
Since it's cheaper, wouldn't that make people wanna go for the cheaper model instead of the more expensive one? I haven't bought a new console in awhile so I guess I'm out of the loop as to why this is a thing that happens.
coarse swift
winter yew
not sure what to make of that reaction lol
Series S has no disc tray so is digital only, medium performance GPU, targets 1440p @ 60fps where as Series X has disc tray high end GPU and targets 4k @ 60fps.
OH.
Digital only. Interesting.
Series S is more than likely being bundled with discount subscription for gamepass.
Marketing strategy I imagine will be $350 all in you get console + library of games.
I still wonder if the rumored "Switch Pro" is still going to happen
I hope so. Switch is great but a little more horses packed in could make it greater.
crisp sparrow
if it comes to india at a decent price I might convince my parents to get it
the S series
I mean we finally got a big tv, might as well
winter yew
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It's a great entry price tbh, PS5 digital won't match that price.
I'll quote myself if Sony release it for cheaper or match $299.
cinder vessel
I hope so. Switch is great but a little more horses packed in could make it greater.
@winter yew just make the damn dock a console itself and stealth rerelease the Wii U but more powerful
Nintendo has the streaming tech from the Wii U, put that in the dock and the new Switch model, and killer system right there
Also have they mentioned how much SSD/HDD space on the Series S? That's the real dealbreaker here, considering game sizes
All digital consoles are garbo if you play a multitude of newer games that take up a ton of space
winter yew
Man, I forget the Wii U was a thing. I EVEN OWN ONE.
cinder vessel
Solid console, just mismarketed to hell & back
Instead of trying to squeeze more out of the Switch tablet, I think they'd benefit a ton from making the dock a compact console that you could pop the Switch cards into and play like any other game console
And with the dedicated hardware in it, stream them to the Switch, as they did with the Wii U
It might require some new internal stuff in the Switch for all I know, in which case yeah, update the Switch too
So looks like the Series S has a 512 GB NVME SSD
That's gonna get eaten up so fast by just a few AAA games
cinder vessel
Lose a lot of the perks going off HDD tho
So you're probably looking at another $100+ for another SSD atop the base $300
cinder vessel
If you play primarily AAA games, I see the base storage holding maybe 4 or 5 games tops, lol
winter yew
Oh for sure.
I hoped large games would force some sort of new technology for compression/decompression.
winter yew
And a lot of Hardware manufacturers take software for granted.
Weird cycle atm.
Hardware assumes software will reinvent the wheel to work with limitations, software assumes hardware will improve to match their limitations.
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cinder vessel
They may try to get into a mid-position and market the PS5 between the Series S & X's prices, so like $400
Supposing the X sells for $500
thorn dawn
guess they could go 'lol fuk u' and price the ps5 at $298, make the cost back on the $70 games
cinder vessel
There's something like that too, yeah
'cause tbh I kinda doubt they have a lower end model planned
I think they prefer keeping the marketing simple & avoiding confusion, at least at new console release
winter yew
The digital console they announced was same specs as "full" console, dunno what to call the console with a disc drive.
cinder vessel
Oh wait yeah
I forgot they're doing two models already
Then yeah maybe they'll aim to undercut with the discless model
I still can't imagine getting a console w/o a disc drive with how unreliable internet can be...
winter yew
UK is at a high percentage of digital already. Physical is way low.
thorn dawn
i dunno, i mean even with the physical copies, some are just paper download codes, others are just stub copies of the game that has to be downloaded anyway
winter yew
But yes, unreliable internet is about to become an actual real issue.
thorn dawn
I don't recall which game it was, but one didn't even declare it was a download code
just a regular box disk with a circular paper disk with a code on it
winter yew
I purchased physical FO4 cause it was cheaper than digital (at the time), it ended up being a Steam key already.
cinder vessel
But yes, unreliable internet is about to become an actual real issue.
@winter yew more like always has been...
winter yew
No I mean like, I feel businesses are about to get involved and force your ISP's to fix their shit.
cinder vessel
PC's gone full digital for some time now, which sucks in its own ways
cinder vessel
wut
thorn dawn
if you want to get the ps5 version of a ps4 game, and you didn't get it from the PSN store
you need to stick your ps4 disk in your ps5
cinder vessel
Oh yeah
And for general backwards compatibility with PS4 games purchased physically
So like ya said
Y'know, I'd imagine similar with the Series X then...
So as appealing as the Series S's lower price point may be, I imagine a lot of folks in places with shitty internet will still opt for the more expensive model
Because even if their internet situation improved at some point, they'd still have a bunch of older games as physical copies
winter yew
Yeah I can't see a situation like that being any other way tbh
cinder vessel
But then, what's the tendency of folks to keep/play old games these days anyway
winter yew
Quite high apparently.
Backwards Compatible games on XB1 were gaining some insane popularity.
cinder vessel
Feel like an exception sometimes when I see where my friends just traded off a lot of their games
winter yew
List was relatively small on XB1, in comparison to total library.
XB1S+X and even PS5 are promising backwards compatible on every game.
Well no, that's wrong.
PS5 is total library of PS4.
XBOX series is all current backwards compatible games + total XB1 library.
balmy plaza
Ps5 has less backwards compatability right?
winter yew
Yes, both do.
cinder vessel
PS5 i think is just "a lot" of PS4 games, not necessarily all
Unless they changed their tune on that recently
winter yew
Yeah their wording was weird.
winter yew
Basically all games they have tested are working fine and they see no reason for all PS4 games to match that.
cinder vessel
Unfortunately that's not shocking, re: mistreated QA
thorn dawn
yeah, seems par the course
balmy plaza
I don't think I've ever heard of QA being treated well :(
cinder vessel
way too many larger devs treat their QA like garbage
balmy plaza
The QA team I met seemed like they were being treated OK but that was a smaller studio
cinder vessel
smaller studios can't afford to treat QA like crap (not that that keeps some from doing so tho)
balmy plaza
Does HG have a QA team?
cinder vessel
in the past they've sorta hired some QA folks on or something, but dunno about since then
thorn dawn
they outsourced it iirc
cinder vessel
if their frantic hotfixing phases are any indication tho, if they do it's like one person trying their best
balmy plaza
Plus with the experimental builds
winter yew
I really think they'd benefit from hiring a social manager.
balmy plaza
I doubt they'd need to use them that often if they had a big QA department
Definitely a social manager would be good
cinder vessel
as the joke goes, we're the QA
balmy plaza
But we'd also lose the cryptic Sean stuff
winter yew
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coarse swift
ahah
dry copper
I think Epic Games is going to become a paid subscription service for access to your games library eventually
There are just too many free games being given away
coarse swift
Much like how Sony does their PS+ thing?
winter yew
That'd separate them from Steam tbf.
I use Steam as the example cause that's who Epic seems to fire at.
I see a potential business model in that.
coarse swift
Where, you get free games every month, but you can only play them if you're still subscribed
Or I think it's a you gotta be online situation
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Epic might give lots of free games away, but I still can't be bothered to download their launcher.
dry copper
I think it would be more like, you subscribe to get the free games. you can play them whether subbed or not
So you'd pay monthly sub to get the weekly freebie
That way they don't look like dicks bait and switching.
coarse swift
As it stands, you have to manually claim the game right?
crisp sparrow
I thought it was just a two cent of tencent
amazing post
dry copper
As it stands, you have to manually claim the game right?
@coarse swift
Yes
You have to manually claim it in a window while it's available
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Epic freebies currently work like steam freebies
dry copper
I've now purchased two games on epic....and my library has 88 games in it
I have not seen any steam freebies tbh
I might've gotten one in the over a decade I've used steam
Cant remember
How do you see freebies on steam?
Are they not advertised?
Yikes. We got another asset flip in the steam store coming out soon.
The game is called Grounded. It's about you, as a child, being grounded for smoking pot. You have to find pot cigarettes in your home without her catching you, or she will execute you.
Featuring Vin Diesel as "Painting" and T-Pose as mom. Explore the shitty asset flip that steals music to promote shit.
winter yew
ROFL it looks so bad.
If you are stuck on the first room, turn around to where the couches used to be after the mom door opens.
Wait wtf.
raven frost
why is the mom a t-posing hillary clinton
winter yew
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sounds like someone running off the xbox game name recognition
@dry copper they get shared around, but usually aren't promoted on the front page of the store
this page tends to have a lot of weird survey sites etc, but also direct freebies
https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeGamesOnSteam/
winter yew
hmm
It sure feels like they cut a bunch of the game out, gotta say.
Wasteland 3 again, finished it, was hoping for act 2, or something, but what do you know.
||You just get 3 patriarch kids and that's it. One final battle in Colorado Springs, and then it's over.||
winter yew
Mean, it's choice based game, so there's plenty, but still, I didn't expect it to end so abruptly.
silver sparrow
anyone else excited about hitman 3?
i may actually pay full freight for it
unlike cp2077 which has lost its luster
thorny grove
yes
Been an avid fan since the first
This ones supposed to have VR comparability to, no?
silver sparrow
that is what i heard
altho i have no vr
i assume vr in 3rd person
not first person
glass plinth
Frankly, the thing that has me interested in Cyberpunk is the driving. Which is a odd reason to want to play it.
From what Im gathering, the world size is comparable to gta online, but with more diverse environment
raven frost
I want to get cyberpunk and just avoid the city
raven frost
I figured
the area outside the city looks very interesting
like the small town in the trailer, stuff like that
glass plinth
Well, I mean the thing I enjoy about Cyberpunk is the diversity of the setting. From the underworld sewers, to the skycity up in the towers, to the small village like cities in the main city
Its a rich, diverse place
Much like asian big cities in many places
What I was glad to hear was they managed to up the population viewable in public spaced by 3 times what they showed in the last demo.
raven frost
I'm still sad they cut wallrunning but y'know, I can just play Titanfall if I want that tbh
winter yew
Fair I guess. If it didn't add anything to gameplay, not worth keeping it in.
raven frost
still sad about it, would've been fun af
I doubt I'll grab CP2077 at launch, $60 is a steep asking price for me rn and we still don't know if it's gonna be amazing or crash and burn
glass plinth
I sure will
raven frost
I'm only hoping the best
glass plinth
hehe
raven frost
oh that reminds me, Death Stranding is $45 right now, might pick that up
winter yew
I think it got announced too early.
glass plinth
Im just not worried. I love the setting, plus the studio really hasnt ever made bad games.
Like ever.
Not to say they mite fail
LOL!
The other thing is, 60 bucks for a game, with that many devs and stuff, is cheap
raven frost
I know, I know
glass plinth
People better get used to 75 dollar games
willow crypt
game devs get too excited and share their games too early
raven frost
the cheaper I can get a game, the better
willow crypt
Todd Howard, after saying he doesn't like to announce a game until it's only several months away from release, announces 2 huge games that are years off
annoying.
glass plinth
Well you have to remember, the studios need to take out loans usually to make the games, they cost hundreds of millions to make. So they need to gauge the public response to attract investors
Games are that big now
That costly
raven frost
again, I understand that
bronze wind
I'm pretty sure Todd did that just to shut people up for a while
glass plinth
Unfortunately just the nature of the beast lol
willow crypt
hehehe
bronze wind
which is why he also emphasized that they were both really far off
willow crypt
did anything but shut us up
glass plinth
hehe, look up cdprojects sec reports, you can see how much they spent on Cyberpunk. Im starting to see how big a gamble it was for them even to make.
I mean its... HUGE
The mocap alone cost more then some games
raven frost
I will never resort to piracy but if I can get a game for cheaper than its original price then I will certainly do that
bronze wind
also not to go too much against the grain but what else has CDPR done other than some witcher games
silver sparrow
People better get used to 75 dollar games
n ou
raven frost
nothing against the publisher or developer, just don't want to pay that much
bronze wind
just in reply to the "they've never made bad games like ever" comment
raven frost
trying to save some money
glass plinth
I already got Cyberpunk 2077 for 30 bucks