I love having GameFly - I know most of the time whether or not a game is worth a purchase to me or not, so it comes in very handy for all the others (and there are many) I'm pretty sure I won't play more than once
#other-games
idle saffron
And then some surprise me and I keep them - like the Talos Principle
And Catherine
Love that game - so weird
meager panther
@idle saffron with gamefly do you actually get the whole game on a disc? Or like have to download it?
idle saffron
Disc
meager panther
I really hate how everyone just puts a paper and a code and tell to go download it
Sucks for me
😩
idle saffron
They send the disc, and if you choose to keep, they mail out the case
Lots of time it will have preorder codes also
meager panther
I have to wait like 12-15 mins to download 1 gb
idle saffron
Lol, are you gonna get RDR2?
idle saffron
It will be on there eventually
meager panther
But if it comes to PC,i will get it
cinder vessel
someone should bring back weird/silly westerns in games
chilly plover
@idle saffron re: Elite: Dangerous
Planet bases: drive around empty worlds in a single dune buggy that uses oblivion plate physics, with terrible controls, and worse missions that boil down to go-there-shoot-that-generic-base-the-same-as-the-others
Engineers: reputation grind, collect materials from the other miserably empty content
Combat: some of the worst in the past 20 years. Every ship handles like a double-wide semi-truck with square wheels going up a 45 degree incline in 50cm deep mud. Weapons are all garbage, but you can't really tell anyway since most of the stats are effectively meaningless. Games with superior ship handling and weapons in the genre: the original Elite, the original Star Raiders (as in Atari 2600), every game in the Wing Commander series, Star Wars X-Wing, Star Wars TIE Fighter, X-Wing Alliance, X-Wing vs TIE Fighter (i'd have just said star wars series, but didn't want people to think i was included garbage like rogue squadron that isn't even a sim), Descent Freespace, Terminal Velocity, X-series (not really space sims, yet still have better combat and ship handling), Independence War 1 & 2, No Man's Sky itself, and even Star Citizen, at every point at which flight has been playable (and this gap is only getting wider -- I did omit Mantis from this list, since not everyone wants full manual newtonian flight).
Passenger missions: indistinguishable from trade.
Smuggling: Would be indistinguishable from trade, except the police make oblivion's psychic guards seem like hellen keller, and the resulting fines are significantly higher than the potential profits.
Flying aimlessly: fun for a little bit in VR, because the literal only point in this game's favour is that it's absolutely gorgeous in VR.
idle saffron
Nice reply, I disagree with all of it
chilly plover
Thank you for conceding that you are wrong about every claim you make on E:D, since you disagree with things you didn't even read
chilly plover
Compared to E:D? Oh yes. Because E:D's ship handling is just that horifically bad.
idle saffron
That is your opinion
chilly plover
There literally is not a single self-proclaimed space sim in the history of the genre with worse ship handling, or if there is, i've never encountered it, and i've encountered a lot.
idle saffron
Mine is it has the best controls
chilly plover
No, that's an objective fact.
idle saffron
No, it isn't
chilly plover
Which files did you hack to get even remotely passable ship handling in E:D?
idle saffron
I played on Xbox and learned the controls
chilly plover
Everything, from the tiniest fighter to the largest capital handles the same, just a question of top speed. They all turn like the turtle in the old cable internet commercials
idle saffron
I'm sorry this is a sore point for you, but nothing you say will convince me to side with your opinion
chilly plover
Well then i guess they applied a x100 multiplier to pitch, yaw, and roll on xbox, because on Steam, it is the single worst-handling "space sim" in the history of the genre lol
It's okay, singular, i understand that the xbox version is either a completely different game, or you think absolutely unplayable is "great handling"
idle saffron
I didn't find it to be unplayable, I'm sorry you did
chilly plover
Unlike E:D, ships in NMW actually respond to control input sometime in the month after hitting said control
idle saffron
But stop assuming you know my mind, or what I find enjoyable
I loved it
Love nms also
chilly plover
There is reason that E:D is universally panned as Space Truck Simulator, and it's not just because the only thing worth doing is endless trade runs, it's because literally everything in the game handles like a giant space truck.
idle saffron
Ok
chilly plover
I'm not assuming anything, you've told me your mind. I know the objective facts of how literally every ship in E:D handles, and so i know what you like, since you think E:D's handling is good. You like terrible handling and non-responsive ships that feel like crippled space trucks. They handle objectively worse than the slowest-handling hauler in NMS, and this is apparently what you consider to be "good"
idle saffron
Again, your opinion isn't an objective fact
chilly plover
No, the objective fact that they handle worse is objective fact lol
idle saffron
Ok
chilly plover
You can like the worse handling, but their worse handling isn't in question.
chilly plover
And there it is, "i can't actually support my position with reality or facts, so i'll project my own failures onto others, and then claim personal vendetta when my opponent can point to facts"
idle saffron
Can't strafe in nms, can't hover, can't control landings, can't fly sideways without fighting the controls
Can't fly inverted for extended periods of time, again without fighting controls
How's that?
chilly plover
Only personal issue I take is with the scam they're running on their sales and expansion model (I especially liked being charged, effectively, twice as much as late adopters for the privilege of helping test their half-released finished game).
idle saffron
Can't spin in circles if I want
Can't really drift turn
Can't target specific systems
Just off the top of my head
chilly plover
None of which matters in the end, because there isn't a single ship in E:D that can pitch, yaw, or roll at even close to the speed of NMS's slowest ship
idle saffron
None of which matters because it refuted your claims of better ship controls
chilly plover
so strafe at the snail's pace E:D lets you all you want, it won't matter since you can't actually turn. They're literally in a freaking vacuum, and they handle worse than a cessna
idle saffron
It has been quite sometime since you played I think
chilly plover
No, it refuted a strawman i never made. I said they handle better.
Because they do; E:D ships,, without exception, handle like shit.
idle saffron
Ok
chilly plover
So congrats, you can strafe at a snails pace, drift a little bit more, won't eventually be snapped back to a given roll orientation etc., and in the end, none of it matters, because they still handle like shit compared to every other space game ever released (that I've seen or played, and that's a nearly if not completely comprehensive list).
idle saffron
👍
chilly plover
And again, that is objectively measurable, because we can compare response to control inputs, as well as pitch/yaw/roll rates in rad/s
cinder vessel
Thinking their handling is shit is an opinion, lol
Some prefer that handling because it lends a sense of weight to the ship, I think
chilly plover
@cinder vessel liking the shit handling is an opinion; the shit handling itself is objective
cinder vessel
That they handle differently is probably fact, preferring that difference in handling is an opinion
chilly plover
and to be fair, i could almost get behind that argument, if it were actually limited to large ships. Problem is that the most nimble ship in all of E:D handles like a freighter. They handle like shit, by every metric you could possibly use.
cinder vessel
You keep undermining yourself by describing it as shit, that is subjective
chilly plover
in a vacuum it is; not when compared to other examples, as was done.
idle saffron
He isn't here to listen, he is here to win
chilly plover
@idle saffron says the troll that outright said they didn't read
idle saffron
See what I mean?
chilly plover
thanks for confirming it's just projection,
cinder vessel
I don't even have experience with or preference for Elite and your bias is obvious, lol
At least Singular admits that they simply enjoy it for what it is
idle saffron
I'm not the one insulting people, I'm the one trying to have a rationale debate
chilly plover
@cinder vessel 1) it is an objective fact that every ship in E:D handles basically the same, and that all of them handle incredibly poorly, with negligible variation. 2) it is a fact that literally every other game in the genre has better ship handling. So yes, E:D has shit handling.
chilly plover
@idle saffron no you aren't, you opened with "i disagree with all of that" less than a second after 4 paragraphs were posted, in no time to read it, and you then admitted outright that you didn't read it once you saw NMS listed as one of the countless games with better handling.
When faced with facts and reasoned argument, you then resorted to the classic "where'd it touch you" idiocy. So here you are again, projecting, as it was you that began the insults. I'm not even sure I have insulted you here, other than calling out obviously trollish behaviour as being so.
idle saffron
Ok
By the way, you had 4 sentences after the nms bit, and I read those to - I was exaggerating
chilly plover
I could almost understand this incredible defensiveness if this were a server for actual space sims, of which E:D is a horrifically empty and bad example (especially given its heritage), but i confess it makes not sense to me on a server for a game that is very much not a space sim. So I almost have to ask, to rework your own cop-out, where is E:D touching you, and are they giving you a good deal?
idle saffron
I should have said I stopped taking it seriously at that point
Yes, it's a great deal
chilly plover
I almost believe you might have gone back later, but not in the time it took you to dismiss it.
idle saffron
Ok
It doesn't matter what I say, you have determined you know me and will respond how you see fit
But I did read you reply
chilly plover
You've shown what you are quite clearly, and yes, i will call out obvious trolling and projection for what it is.
idle saffron
You are correct, I have shown what I am by my actions and words here, for quite sometime now. Calling me a troll doesn't make your opinion any more valid to me
chilly plover
No, obvious troll behaviours make you a troll, such as off-hand dismissal, personal attacks, the classic "where did it touch you" if you don't agree (especially when it's facts that you disagree with). You've demonstrated very clearly the type of person you are, and your inability to actually support a position or argue in good faith (as evidenced by the blatant strawman just a moment ago).just cliches it. Congrats, you've been here a while, I commend your ability to toe the line and /or fellate the proper staff members
idle saffron
You don't even see the hypocrisy in that, do you?
chilly plover
I don't see things that aren't there; that's your projection acting up again
idle saffron
And, yes I read it
cinder vessel
yay debate club
honestly tho comparing a space sim to a not space sim is pretty silly, i.e. E:D ship handling (which is explicitly going for a very different style) to NMS ship handling
chilly plover
@cinder vessel i generally wouldn't do it, if it weren't for the fact that this is a NMS discord and NMS actually does have better ship handling, which is a very sad indictment of E:D's
idle saffron
Off hand dismissal isnt what you got, or I wouldn't have replied, I made no personal attacks on you, nor will I. And I'm sorry the doll joke fell flat, it was a light hearted attempt to tease you, not offend you.
And I still disagree about the ship handling
chilly plover
You can, of course, take any of literally any other game actually in the space sim genre; they all handle better, and often more realistically.
You said you disagree with everything less than 5 seconds after 4+ paragraphs were posted; you may have read it after, but you didn't when you dismissed it. I'm not engaging with a troll any further.
cinder vessel
I haven't played E:D, but if it allows for complete stops & direct moves to the left and right, it probably already has something on NMS' handling, lol
idle saffron
It does
cinder vessel
It also probably isn't much of a compliment to say NMS has better ship handling when it's also pretty often knocked for it
chilly plover
@cinder vessel It does have strafing, not that the rates are sufficient to be useful in any situation. The primary handling issue is that pitch/yaw/roll rates are unplayably bad, and that's on the most maneuverable ships in the game. There's barely any difference when moving into larger ships.
If you've played Star Citizen, the Retaliator as of a year ago handles about comparably to the fighters in E:D
@cinder vessel It also probably isn't much of a compliment also part of why i made the comparison lol
cinder vessel
i mean don't you have the option to customize the ships' performance with some odds & ends
agile tinsel
I mean if you can strafe and stop in E:D with your ship I would definitely say that that is the better handling system
chilly plover
Quite literally, an A-10C in DCS has superior handling and flight performance than a fighter in E:D. Now in fairness, E:D was trying to get a WW2 dogfighting feel to it. The problem is they failed utterly, and putting it in space makes some choices really insane, such as the insane difference between pitch and yaw rates. Yawing in E:D is probably the most realistic thing about its model: if you tried to yaw in an atmosphere, using a rudder, you'd turn very slowly and destabilize the airframe
cinder vessel
if it's anything like, say, X3, an unmodified base ship is typically shit
chilly plover
@cinder vessel barely at all. The Engineers update lets you do some marginal tweaking, but overall handling is baked into the ship itself, and the difference from most agile fighter to largest capital is negligible
The more I think about it, the more NMS seems perfect for tearing it apart, because it isn't great in NMS, and yet it's still better. Going from C-class fighter to a B-class hauler, there's a significant difference in pitch/yaw rates, as well as control responsiveness ("momentum" or "weightiness" of the ship).
winter yew
Elite is a nice game
Fun to hop around planets
Nice chill experience
would recommend
chilly plover
it's not like i'm rectally sourcing this stuff. I didn't back E:D (they wanted way too much to get a copy of the finished game), but I did eventually buy it (and wished I could refund, since horizons came out for 60 bucks with core game, or 45 if you already had it; in short "hey, all you people that actually bought our empty game? you get to pay 75% more than the people that waited for there to be ALMOST something to do").
I go back and play for about a weekend every 6-12 months, because it's about all I can really stomach. The game is just that bland, repetitive, and boring. Combine it with the terrible ship handling and it's practically just the space-sim equivalent of a Diablo game, something to mindless zone out on for a bit and then regret the waste of a day.
It's absolutely gorgeous in VR, and that does help it some (though the hotzones for the displays to active aren't perfect, so you have to kind of hold an angle and look out the side of your eye, which is annoying), but looking pretty is about the only thing it really has going for it, besides being a current space sim that's officially released. Some general instability and bugginess aside, Star Citizen might actually be in a comparable "stuff to do" state as E:D, and its ship handling has been infinitely better (and actually varied between ships) from the start. Flight assist on, you get your atmospheric feel, but even that varies significantly from ship to ship depending on thrusters and mass. Toggle it off, you can easily black your pilot out by spinning a fighter around (still needs some tweaking, heh), but a larger ship will still take time to get that mass spinning.
Don't take it for blind love of SC either. They've got literally the worst community management I've ever seen in my 33 years of life. They have some absolutely terrible balance ideas (largely stemming from being primarily single-player devs and thus not really knowing how to balance for open world PvP), and there's definite feature creep involved. I'm also pissed that they still don't have any hint of linux development yet, and the longer that goes, the harder it's going to end up not just doing a half-assed port, especially if they get trapped into any MSFT-proprietary dev tools.
winter yew
The ship handling aint that bad
I honestly like the feel of it
SC is just an expensive tech demo
change my mind
chilly plover
I'd agree with you 2 years ago, computerman, but there is a full gameplay loop in the current state of the playable game, now. It's still really rough and buggy, but it's no longer just tech demo now that there's a full loop. At best you could argue it's a tech demo in the same way Crysis was.
not sure how much more polished 3.5 is; last i played was about a year ago
cinder vessel
tbh i kind of feel like many devs just don't really know what they even want to do in space
NMS at least had the strong core idea of exploring alien worlds, but stuff like E:D, Everspace, Star Citizen, and so on all just seem to be somethingsomething dogfight/mine
winter yew
I think it's really hard to make a space game with stuff to do, I don't know just my opinion
chilly plover
@cinder vessel i think they might not know how to do what they want to do, but to a non-trivial degree, I think space sim fans have pretty similar ideas of what we want, at least in the broad strokes. It's the result of the current generation of devs growing up on the first generation of the games, and saying "wouldn't it be cool if"
winter yew
NMS is focused on exploring, ED is trading,fighting and a bit of exploring
cinder vessel
That said, switch the frame and you see similar issues even on the ground
get in fights, gather & craft, etc.
chilly plover
@winter yew Independence War series, Evochron series, X-series. Honestly Evochron is a much better Elite than E:D is lol
chilly plover
not implying it's easy, but we're not hurting for examples
teal mason
space game is hard to make cos space is fucking empty and boring except when you're a nerd
cinder vessel
but that's literally like the best canvas for weird af bullshit if you want
lots of devs seem caught up in the be-sorta-like-reality nonsense
teal mason
if you wanna make space not boring you gotta eliminate the travelling between the space as much as possible
chilly plover
@cinder vessel the general concept as originally presented, for SC at least, was basically Privateer meets EVE. Throw in crew-served ships (one of the single most demanded features of space sim fans), and then adding in FPS as well, since boarding was raised as a possibility (and they were using a FPS engine anyway, so most of the work is already done)
@teal mason or provide things to do during that travel. That's a nice one with Hellion: once locked into the course, you can wander around during your transit time, allowing you to get your gear prepped for the mission.
teal mason
one thing SC has for space travel is that you can do other stuff during warp, leave your seat and do other stuff and I think that's a decent way to occupy the space during the space travel
exactly, space is the loading time of space games
chilly plover
The travel times last I played SC weren't long enough that it occurred to me to see if i could get up...
teal mason
you can get up and your ship can crash during that
chilly plover
As it should be; you don't have a tone of assets you need, use the time to load other assets in instead of a loading screen. Even NMS does this, with the only loading screens being for teleports and loading saves, since it can't anticipate which assets it needs to preload during travel.
cinder vessel
if ur space is empty in a space game u've missed a bunch of opportunities, lol
chilly plover
Honestly i'd be mostly worried about falling through the ship lol. SC has instilled in me a complete terror of not being locked into something, be it a ladder, turret, or chair. As long as you're locked in, you can't clip through the floor, since you're treated like part of the ship lol
(another really legitimate gripe: it did still have the same severe clipping issues last year as it did when the first playable bits launched)
idle saffron
I think it's a hard balance Leon, you want a bit of empty to give that space feeling, but not so much it hurts gameplay
teal mason
just give a fucking skip warp button to players
PULSAR has it and it's the best fucking thing
chilly plover
pulsar can get away with it because there isn't much it needs to load lol
teal mason
you can manage your whole crew's AI during warp if you want
and when you're done you just skip the damn thing
cinder vessel
for me just giving me giant spheroids and nebulae and you net the space feeling pretty well, lol
teal mason
the thing is you can still do stuff during load times
chilly plover
Pulsar is also a purely co-op game, whereas SC is a shared, competitive world. You can't provide the skip option without creating a decided advantage that effectively necessitates its use. At that point you may as well just cut travel times across the board.
cinder vessel
giant spheroids, nebulae, flying about around/between the spheroids, hey look it space
but then i've never been terribly interested in even sim-lite when it comes to space games, because space is mindnumbingly vast in reality and even with scifi engines to move you fairly quickly through it, that's just...not really the most interesting/essential element to conveying look it space to me, lol
chilly plover
depends on the nature of the game and how you balance it. Hellion and the X-series both seem to handle it well. SC I feel like could do with slowing the fast travel a bit, but it's hard to say because we only have one solar system so far, and that solar system is still pretty tiny (you have to make sure it takes time for reinforcements to arrive, as the game is open PvP and competitive; if you can just say "help" and suddenly have 30 mates on top of you, that's both a gameplay and a balance issue, and the main way you deal with that is to make them fly there themselves, and control the travel times).
austere lance
You don't even move quickly in ED, lol. Even if you've built an expensive-ass heavily Engineered explorer ship it'll still take you 15+ warps to get across the Bubble. The players that haven't sank hundreds of hours into the game and can't afford to build ships like that take 25+ warps to do it @cinder vessel
idle saffron
This is true
I'm not saying Elite has the longest or worst grind to get to end game stuff, but it's one of the grindiest I have ever played if you want that expensive upgrade ship
austere lance
If you want space trucking to not be a 20+ warp snoozefest you'll have to make a ton of money and buy a good explorer ship+kit it out for exploring. And unfortunately the best way to make money is either space trucking or being a flying Uber, both of which involve tons of traveling. It's a vicious cycle, lol
idle saffron
They have gotten better with the missions and rewards, but still very time intensive
cinder vessel
i'll never understand the interest in designing a game to be like that
chilly plover
@cinder vessel it's easy. you don't have to do much, just make it grindy and with a low difficulty curve, and make sure there's some incremental upgrade. It's the same model that's so popular on mobile games like adventure capitalist: grind more stuff to get stuff that lets you grind exponentially more to get the next thing that costs exponentially more. There's no change in substance, the numbers just get bigger.
That's why I made the Diablo reference earlier. It's largely mindless, and you just keep repeating the same stuff to get bigger numbers, and before you know it you've wasted a day. Great on occasion, but not really satisfying in any real sense.
idle saffron
All games come down to repeated actions, it's just whether you enjoy them, or don't
cinder vessel
i still don't get it
chilly plover
In the end all games are like this to some degree or another, the question is simply how well you disguise the grind. Overall NMS seems to do a decent job of it, but it's still there if you take the time to think about it. The main advantage is the base building mechanics that let you sink a lot of time into something somewhat creative, the same way minecraft and its ilk do
cinder vessel
the extended grind for incremental upgrade model
idle saffron
I mean, that's just about every rpg I can think of in a nutshell
cinder vessel
I don't mind repeated actions, I mind repeated actions for minimal/uninteresting reward, which is what a lot of games tend to do
idle saffron
Ah, I see - not necessarily the method, but the rewards
cinder vessel
Which is why in a lot of RPGs I endure that junk to get to the stuff I find more interesting, story beats or different settings
idle saffron
Gotcha
cinder vessel
depends, sometimes the methods too
if it demands doing that thing a fuckton of times and i can't stand it i'm just gonna say scrap that shit entirely
austere lance
Diablo is at least fun cuz you get to blow up tons of shit and use flashy abilities, ED is literally just "stare at space and hit this button every 30 seconds"
idle saffron
Oh for sure, I have to enjoy it to go through that
cinder vessel
i don't even wanna get near stuff like diablo
idle saffron
I enjoyed ark for awhile also, but the grind eventually wore me out
chilly plover
@austere lance E:D in VR gets you to about the same level, because it does look absolutely gorgeous. Still mindless, repetitive grind to no real purpose, though.
cinder vessel
that's what typically gets me, grind in games is never really worth its effort in the end, you don't pick up any skills you can translate to anything else, and once you hit the top, you've rendered large parts of the rest of the game less enjoyable a lot of the time
It's like some weird, cruel joke
meager panther
pssst trainers exist for this
cinder vessel
pssst not typically available on consoles
plus that doesn't get it across to devs to maybe not do that junk
rigid haven
I wish games had more "you can play this after the story and the ending gas already happened!" Things
Like uh
Well, Kingdom Hearts always sets you to just before the final boss fight so you can go back and do whatever
Red Dead Redemption continues the story, even after the end, which is nice
austere lance
Diablo III gives you access to the end-game rifts and bounties after you beat the main story
chilly plover
unless it's an account-wide unlock, that's not actually a requirement anymore
cinder vessel
hmm @idle saffron i didn't realize gamefly was as pricy as it is, kind of a shame as the no due dates/late fees is nice
idle saffron
For me, it works out well - I want to play most of the new stuff, and being able to keep as long as I want is the real kicker for me - I do the 3 out option
cinder vessel
yeah, totally get that, esp. given how dense a lot of new stuff is
with me i think the three day out options at redbox would be enough to get a sense of some of the new stuff, just gotta make sure i have the time set aside
idle saffron
Sometimes of course, it isn't great - there are those periodic downtime's for releases
But I can usually fill that with backlog stuff
cinder vessel
oh @rigid haven, i picked up your love, Aria of Sorrow, the other day
rigid haven
AHAH GOOD
austere lance
Ah, Redbox. I bought Final Fantasy 15 for $5 at a Redbox like a year ago
rigid haven
Aria of Sorrow is so good Soma is such a daddy
Rent?
Oh speaking of
I got the latest dlc for that
austere lance
No, you can buy games from em too
cinder vessel
Speaking of FFXV is there a complete edition yet...? Or is that the Royal edition thing?
rigid haven
Royal Edition includes everything except the newest dlc
And uh
Don't bother getting day one, it's apparently not as great
austere lance
I was quite interested when I saw I could buy used games from Redboxes, lol
cinder vessel
i prefer whatever version of a game doesn't have me spending much more on top of it, lol
cinder vessel
Was it just like...Disc only S0ul?
cinder vessel
Figured, albeit nowadays that matters a fair amount less since they put jack in the cases anyway
austere lance
It was just a regular plastic Redbox disc case, lol
cinder vessel
Yeah, not surprised, and like i said for newer games, which is what they tend to have anyway, matters less that that's the case
chilly plover
14:34] A Sound S0ul: Ah, Redbox. I bought Final Fantasy 15 for $5 at a Redbox like a year ago you overpaid lol
cinder vessel
is this where it's because you really don't like the game
chilly plover
yeah, lol; it's kingdom hearts' combat system, only even more dumbed down; boring world, nonsensical story (that's split between movie and game that run concurrently), dull characters, lots of driving in circles. Oddly a lot of the issues are almost the opposite of the problems in XIII, but at least XIII had decent story, characters, and gameplay
there are very few FF (and honestly, SquareSoft/SquareEnix/Enix games in general) that i've not liked, but XV is the first time i ever straight-up regretted buying.
never mind the really scummy DLC model
cinder vessel
XV-Overcorrection Edition, lol
They heard the response of XIII being too linear and went as far from that as they could
chilly plover
it's partly my own fault, though; i played the demo, i should have known just how terrible the combat would be
they must have ignored what people said good about the non-linear parts of XIII; the main problem with it was that it came out of nowhere, and way at the end of the game lol
cinder vessel
does anyone really go to final fantasy for combat tho. personally i was often more drawn in by the sick effects
And XV nails wild af summons, if nothin' else
chilly plover
story and characters first (it's a JRPG after all) but if the gameplay itself isn't good, it's going to be a struggle to force through it. Resident Evil's storyline is absolutely incredible, but I still couldn't get past just horifically bad the controls were in the games before, i think it was 4 that moved to over-the-shoulder on gamecube?
the story may be the main focus, but you're still going to be doing a lot of fighting, so it needs to meet at least a minimum standard, like XII and XIII managed to do
cinder vessel
XII was just hey program-ur-bots gameplay, lol
I'm guessing if you couldn't make your way through Res Evil's earlier entries, ya musta skipped out on Silent Hill 1 & 2?
chilly plover
you still controlled your main character :P And I actually enjoyed setting them up to be effective by themselves, and it did add an interesting aspect to the boss fights. XII is one of the few i actually finished (at least I think i finished it; i have a bad habit of restarting once i reach the final dungeon on FF games lol)
re: silent hill, i played a couple of the over-the-shoulder ones
cinder vessel
so probably not the first two, don't think 3 & 4 did that perspective but not sure right away
chilly plover
Onimusha is one of the only one's i've ever been able to push past that terrible control paradigm on, because it didn't feel quite as bad (since it's mostly melee, so didn't need as much precision, and it had quick-turn buttons), and the story was REALLY cool. The one adding Jean Reno was also pretty much a guaranteed buy, he's just such a badass lol
cinder vessel
and i thought I kept myself from enjoying some good stuff
chilly plover
I don't even get how it passed UX testing, honestly. If the camera is fixed, you should move the direction you press. If left/right rotates the character, the camera should follow accordingly. It's really basic design. Yet it's a terrible control paradigm that keeps coming back. The most recent example that comes to mind was that arcade flight game "Hawx" where the "special maneuvers" mode locked you into third person FIXED CAMERA POSITION, and so you had to control your plane as a fixed observer, like it's an RC plane. It just doesn't work, it's actively counterintuitive.
cinder vessel
for what it's worth though I think the Res Evil 1 remake offers a different control method
chilly plover
dunno about RE1, but the latest RE2 remake uses the modern scheme, yeah
cinder vessel
I'm pretty sure about RE1 given its remake has been rereleased as much as it has
chilly plover
And I don't see it as me keeping myself from enjoying it, i see it as a game whose gameplay is an active chore thus getting in the way of the good aspects of it.
cinder vessel
Honestly though I've weirdly just...Never had that much trouble with the old tank control scheme
chilly plover
When you're fighting the controls more than the enemies, there's a problem
cinder vessel
But then, I really love Mega Man Legends 1, which has an awkward af control scheme to revisit these days
chilly plover
(which is why I play FPS with a mouse, flight games with a HOTAS, etc.)
cinder vessel
uh...
chilly plover
legends was a little weird, but not too crazy
cinder vessel
I feel like you may just be acutely sensitive to control schemes or something
I'm stupidly flexible most of the time, except when a game's controls are absurdly loose, e.g. Rascal on the PS1
Or however you might try to describe that mess of a game's controls
chilly plover
eh, it depends on the game and the control scheme. With FPS and a gamepad, it varies. Destiny has impressively decent and subtle aim assist that really helped keep me from feeling like i'm fighting against the controls (though it was still clear i'd do better with a mouse). As compared to the early RE games with just an actively bad control paradigm for an otherwise perfectly suited input method
The purpose of controls schemes is to minimize your awareness of them, and a bad scheme will constantly remind you of it.
(corollary: this is why being able to remap controls is essential, and the fact we've had storage since gods know when on consoles makes any game on any platform where you can't completely inexcusable)
cinder vessel
Alternatively, some control schemes are as they are to maximize your awareness of them because it folds into the game itself, e.g. Robot Alchemic Drive is a weird control scheme because you're literally a person in the world manipulating a controller for a giant robot
chilly plover
i'm not familiar with it, so i couldn't say. The main "weird" mech control scheme i've seen is actually a pretty sane and normal one, and that was the dual-stick system of Virtual On
cinder vessel
aw damn, i'd link the manual but my go to site doesn't have it uploaded, it was something like using the shoulder buttons for each leg, and analog sticks for arm movements
chilly plover
if it is deliberately awkward to call attention to itself, that sounds like a gimmick to me, rather than good design. Hundreds of thousands of man-hours and billions of dollars are spent on UX and UI design and improvements IRL for applied systems, whether it's radar displays, flight controls and instrumentation (especially in combat airframes_), or even just things like a POS terminal at a restaurant.
It's literally a whole field in itself, even predating computers lol
cinder vessel
sure, but it's an interesting af gimmick so far as i'm concerned, lol
chilly plover
even something as simple as "newest message on top" vs "newest message on bottom" can have a huge impact (and there's a good reason we do it newest-on-bottom for more real-time things: real-time printers as output, as well as just how we read normally: left to right, top to bottom)
cinder vessel
Basically no other mech game plays like it that i'm aware of, and probably for good reason, as they kinda used up almost the whole gamepad leaving them with next to no room for camera controls
chilly plover
see, that just sounds to me like they struggled to make a more sim-like game with a gamepad, something gamepads are notoriously bad at, for that very reason: not enough controls, forcing illogical layouts
cinder vessel
But once you get a feel for the rhythm of the mech movements, it feels like you're sorta mastering a big ol' machine
I mean the weird thing is there was a simple solution, of say integrating the camera into the head or whatever and giving it a first-person perspective, but they really wanted to retain the show of a mech fight
And it absolutely accomplishes that
chilly plover
that's actually one of my big anthem gripes that almost made me skip it: third person only lol
if you wanna see complex mech controls done right, check out Steel Battalion. Best mech sim to date that i'm aware of. (not to mention the only, and a good enough, reason to buy an xbox lol)
chilly plover
i'm okay having the option (in most cases), but for shooters, first-person offers greater precision and zoom. Granted that can vary game-to-game, but even the best still mean you can't see as far or aim as precisely. The Division might just be the worst I've experienced this with, with a 15x scope getting you what feels like the equivalent of iron-sights
chilly plover
TIL PS2 supported technologies and resolutions that didn't exist when its successor launched...
cinder vessel
It's emulation, hence the PCSX2
chilly plover
But the game itself, the in-game assets, aren't built for scaling up to that resolution. Downscaling is easy, but even good upscaling is still going to introduce artifacts and reduce some details in the process.
cinder vessel
And they're pushing it, as you can hear it straining to render like that via some audio distortions
But it was one of the few higher quality recordings i could find without dumb commentary
chilly plover
and bad dubs are fine; they're part of what make EDF great lol
(not an example of bad translation in this particular case, but a great example of just how gloriously campy it is lol)
(each line is a voice-macro in game, so if you time it right, you can actually have a bunch of buddies' characters all singing it lol)
winter yew
SOMEONE ELSE KNOWS ABOUT EDF ❤
chilly plover
me and a couple fellow vets were just playing a couple weeks ago; was hilarious lol
winter yew
oh my god
chilly plover
it's soooooo terrible lol
winter yew
I'm not hardcore good at the EDF games
but I love them
I have both EDF games that are on the vita, I started playing 2017 when it first came out on Xbox360. Rented it on the basis that it looked garbage. Ended up wanting to buy it.
It was so bad it was good.
chilly plover
4.1 was my first, but it's a blast with mates
winter yew
FYI Don't even consider looking at getting EDF Iron Rain that just came out on the PS4. It's EDF in Unreal Engine and it's pretty terrible.
Like not even enjoyably terrible.
4.1 and 5 (though I haven't played 5 yet) are the heart of what EDF is about.
4.1 is a remake of 2025 that was on PS4
runs sooooooooooooo much better.
the other one had massive FPS and balancing issues.
and yes, it's a lot of fun with friends. Especially when you have friends that don't know what gun does what and they end up nuking your entire squad on accident.
chilly plover
Yeah, I'd never buy another, the one is more than sufficient to serve its purpose lol
winter yew
oh yes
about 80+ missions not including the DLC
139 levels, including the DLC. Moreover, there are five difficulties and four classes, the Ranger, Wing Diver, Fencer and Air Raider, so 100% completion requires completion of 2,780 missions
cinder vessel
😐
winter yew
XD
(this is my video)
but this is the video I like to show people when they ask me what EDF is
"Attack the giant insects and save the citizens!" proceeds to blow up a city block
chilly plover
it's critical that the destroying things doesn't affect your score; it'd be so lame in a game like that if it penalized you lol
(in the robotech game -- actually really good -- it made sense, since you're unironically trying to protect people lol)
winter yew
yes especially in levels where you're calling in air strikes lol
cinder vessel
Gungriffon Allied Strike tried a depth of field effect back on the Xbox and it has...Not aged super well, thankfully they give you the option to disable it if you want
lavish obsidian
Here's a fanedit that Eric did, for the uninitiated this is the man who stuck by the game in its Waking Titan lulls and made countless fanedits, now going by TokenEdits.
winter yew
The gang's all here
teal mason
ripe frost
One of my favorite recent pokemon wins is a time u used a fuckin butterfly to wipe out a team of legends
it was just like Quiver Dance!....
Sleep Powder
Shit. Switch to next Legendary...Quiver Dance!....
Sleep Powder
Shit. Switch to next Legendary...Quiver Dance!....
Sleep Powder
Shit. Switch to next Legendary...Quiver Dance!....
Sleep Powder
Hit his last legendarywith sleep and he just surrendered
Another involves the fact that my Togekiss uses flamethrower because he was obviously a dragon in a past life
Nobody expects it to just take a hit like champ and blow fire back at you
Ok I'll tell..... Someone sent out a Scizoor to hit Togekiss with a nasty steel move. It went very poorly for Scizor.
meager panther
teal mason
Anyone who doubt BeamNG's capabilities should watch Car Boys
Actually everyone should just watch Car Boys
fluid hare
crunch
teal mason
cronch *
meager panther
I am going to get sims4
Then perfectly more or less recreate myself in it
And see what that sim does
😩
stark palm
boy that car doesn't even look like it slowed down as it tumbled
vast egret
Has anyone tried Empyrion? How does it compare with NMS?
I really like the idea of crafting your own ship
austere lance
Fighter-ship customization in Beyond Good and Evil 2 is looking 👌
fluid hare
I wish Empyrion had a simpler survival system.
vast egret
What's wrong with the survival system?
stark palm
empyrion isn't anything like NMS. it's like Space Engineers
winter yew
I was playing this game a bit and this section kinda made me giggle a bit. Just totally trashing those wolves https://youtu.be/Hm4g_zyUlz4?t=1152
winter yew
meager panther
Whats that?
winter yew
That's Gollum.
brisk merlin
Smeagul
winter yew
meager panther
Zombies
winter yew
Orks and Urks.
idle saffron
Shadow of war?
winter yew
Mordor, I thought it was due another playthrough.
idle saffron
Nice
idle saffron
Horizon Zero Dawn - found a couple old shots in my ps4 messages app I use to download them
winter yew
I am still yet to play this.
meager panther
Wow looks nice
idle saffron
I think it is excellent - had a ton of fun with it
After picking up the deluxe on sale, I'll give it another run through - and then check out the dlc
idle saffron
Bah, for all the talk of console exclusives, I bet there are far more games you can only play on pc
So darn you PC!
shakes fist violently
winter yew
Hahaha
idle saffron
I played some MK Online - got whooped 3 times, had a close match I lost once, and destroyed 2 people with skorpion
So I'm about done with MK already lol
meager panther
Lol
winter yew
Ouch
winter yew
I got Fade To Silence.
meager panther
Should be done in a day i think
winter yew
It's downloading
meager panther
Whats that
idle saffron
Nah hex - it's what I expected it can't hold my interest for long - I'm in it for the fatalities
winter yew
I've only seen awful reviews for it tbh
meager panther
Mk?
winter yew
Yes
idle saffron
🤷 plot bad, fighting like it usually is
Tbh, it was everything I thought it would be
winter yew
THat's my thought, I'll make up my own mind when I play.
idle saffron
I haven't bought a mortal kombat game since 2
I dont see that trend ending any time soon
winter yew
At least you gave it a shot and made your own opinion.
winter yew
I can't wait!
I haven't had a game make me this excited since NMS.
I've been watching a ton of Let's Plays, I just can't stop watching.
idle saffron
Nice, it looks very interesting
meager panther
Oi its a monster game
winter yew
Hopefully it will play as nice as it looks like it will.
idle saffron
Survival, paranormal
meager panther
Lol i have totally avoided the whole horror genre at all like past few years
idle saffron
I didn't realize it was team also - sweet
winter yew
It's not horror.
winter yew
meager panther
It helped with the horror nightmares
I don't get anymore monster type nightmares
In over a year
meager panther
I have completely avoided those
idle saffron
If crysis is too monster for you, those will make you cry
winter yew
Hahaha
idle saffron
The evil within was a lot of fun though - at least to me
winter yew
Did you play Alien Isolation?
idle saffron
Oh yes
winter yew
It made me jump a good amount of times, a lot of the times was just from the atmosphere.
idle saffron
Yeah - it was a nice throwback to the first movie - just the one to deal with - more suspense than action
I found it tons of fun, and good at the jump scares as well
Music is excellent, noises as well
winter yew
The only "horror" series I never completed was Outlast.
Just a little too much for me to enjoy.
idle saffron
I keep seeing those on sale, but haven't made the jump
Too cliche or too scary? What's their deal?
winter yew
I found too many jump scares, was a constant flow of them and never really a let up to let you catch your breathe.
The story is very cliche but it was nice and I did finish it, I didn't finish the 2nd.
winter yew
What game is that?
idle saffron
Alien isolation
winter yew
Ohhhhhh
idle saffron
I keep meaning to go back and get the 4 or 5 logs I missed in 2 playthroughs
I did the no humans killed run through, and that was a pain
Pain is probably the wrong word, I did enjoy it
Difficult would be better
idle saffron
I get distracted much easier from a game, if I have already beaten it
winter yew
I understand that, I usually throw it to the back of my list with all intentions on going back but my game list just keeps growing and I end up forgetting about it.
idle saffron
Yeah, my backlog of games to go 100% and play is getting out of control lol
winter yew
It's so easy to do, especially lately. The list of good games releasing seems to have picked up pace the last year or so.
idle saffron
I think Rage 2 will snag me for a good amount of time
And that's just a couple weeks away
winter yew
I'm very much looking forward to playing, looks a ton of fun.
idle saffron
Yep, I loved the first one - and the second looks like they went even crazier
winter yew
I never played the first one. 😦
idle saffron
💔
winter yew
It's cheap enough on Steam, I don't think I've seen it above £7.99
idle saffron
I don't want to tell you how to spend your hard earned money, but buy it
What's one more for the backlog anyways?
winter yew
That's a VERY good point.
idle saffron
I can guarantee you will get at least 10 bucks of enjoyment out of it
winter yew
I'll pick it up and play before Rage 2.
winter yew
Oh, wow.
idle saffron
But not for the car customization - just the vibe
Rage 2 looks like we will have more control over our vehicle appearance
The borderlands comparison is from the great shooting, and humor
winter yew
I don't know why I never picked it up, I love this type of game.
idle saffron
When I picked it up, it was just a whim through GameFly - didn't see anything else I desired - and then I played and was pretty blown away. I did find it kinda short but that may be because I enjoyed it so much
I don't want to hype your expectations out of control, there are definitely ares to improve - but the gameplay is very fun
idle saffron
Im surprised you don't
winter yew
We did have, a company called Lovefilm did movie and game rentals. Netflix bought them out and then shut them down.
Actually that's wrong, Amazon bought them out and shut them down.
idle saffron
💔
winter yew
They turned the movie part of the business into what is now Amazon Prime.
idle saffron
Gamer hating jerks
idle saffron
I signed up when they first started - 2002? 2003? Haven't regretted it at all
winter yew
Oh wait, I've found somewhere. This changes everything.
winter yew
It's called Boomerang.
idle saffron
Clever name
idle saffron
If they are like GameFly - you get a discount when keeping a game, and also get periodic coupons to use towards a purchase
winter yew
I've seen this company selling pre-rentals on Ebay and never even made the connection.
I'm gunna have to check them out.
idle saffron
They have payback points
From their site :
Payback Points is our loyalty program. You can earn points for everything from renting to purchasing and you can redeem them for money off and extra rentals
winter yew
Or Keep It Or, if you love the game, why not Keep It? All our ex-rental games come with a new box and manual and delivery is included in the price!
Oh this is just perfect tbh
idle saffron
Some of those will have preorder bonuses also - because they preorder them
At least, GameFly does that
idle saffron
Awesome
idle saffron
Extra love in her future
winter yew
Hahaha
idle saffron
Last one I found for Horizon - looking at these makes me want to play it lol
idle saffron
The story is pretty darn good, and I love fighting the machines
winter yew
I'm gunna grab another cheap PS4 for this and Days Gone.
idle saffron
If you do, check out God of War also - with your handy new rental service
winter yew
Oh yeah of course! I almost forgot about GoW.
idle saffron
I don't know how it was received commercially, but I consider it the best of the bunch - with the first couple right behind
winter yew
I think it was PS4's best selling game if I'm remembering right.
idle saffron
Very nice
I love Norse mythology - and they do well incorporating it
I think another trilogy is the plan also
winter yew
Oh very nice.
I played the older series and really enjoyed them but sometimes remasters/re-works just don't beat the originals.
Evidently this was not the case for GoW.
idle saffron
Not in my opinion, and i highly enjoyed the first ones
Dog walking time! Back in a few
winter yew
have fun!
idle saffron
Always
She does the morning run with me now - but that's for our exercise, not sniffing around at everything and marking her territory like she loves to do on the walk
meager panther
I uninstalled Andromeda.more or less completely done
Freed up 50gb of space
Felt good
winter yew
🤔
lavish obsidian
@meager panther you have now completed the Circle of Andromeda
Install for pretty graphics, start to regret it but keep playing, then you finally snap and uninstall
idle saffron
Lol
meager panther
It became very repetitive. Every planet just keep killing things till viability increased
With no reason other than to not die
And set up a stupid outpost
idle saffron
If they wouldn't have called it Mass Effect, I wouldn't have expected so much from it
meager panther
Once its deployed,you can fast travel to those places
Main reason is that i needed space tho
Lol
idle saffron
More games!
idle saffron
Taking the Sims plunge?
meager panther
Yeah
I am going to replicate my life so far in it. And use it as a guide for my supposed future 😩
lavish obsidian
i simply could not bear reminding myself that Wonceson died a painful death in the Sims after his wife cooked him a salad that he threw away in the pool and drowned trying to get it out
idle saffron
Rofl
idle saffron
I have not, tried a few of the previous- just not into it
meager panther
I wanted to get wildlands but i don't think it will run well
Sims4 had lower requirements to run
idle saffron
People love it - and I assume you have watched some vids, so you probably already know you will
meager panther
Yeah i saw some gameplay of it
winter yew
It's easier playing with a family of 2 or 3 people.
Can send a couple to work and leave one at home to use as your "main" character.
meager panther
winter yew
Playing with one character you just end up playing on fast forward whilst they go out to work.
meager panther
Hmmm
winter yew
That gets boring fast, playing with 2/3 characters lets you do stuff whilst some go out to work to earn money.
idle saffron
You are on a break of sorts anyways - works out perfect
meager panther
I guess i will start two saves then lol
I want to try mirroring my life in one save
😩
winter yew
It's super hard to make them happy once they become depressed.
meager panther
Me_irl
winter yew
Same tbh
austere lance
Hot damn, the ending to Prey is 😱
Well, the ending I got at least. There's multiple.
I think I got the good one
Fuck, now I want a sequel
austere lance
I watched a YouTube video of the worst ending you can get and it's funny af, lol
winter yew
same
brisk merlin
mhm
austere lance
Probably not, lol
austere lance
I just want my armor back
echo hill
yeah fs
austere lance
Took me awhile to make him ^
echo hill
i never played with an online account so i dont get that option 😦
meager panther
Is thag halo?
austere lance
I don't think I do either, it's not carrying anything over from the original version to MCC. Everyone starts at the bottom
echo hill
yeah
austere lance
@meager panther Halo Reach
echo hill
i just mean i cant even go back and look at my old stats or anything
austere lance
Ah
echo hill
which sucks but eh its whatevs
i wonder if my friend still has all the old forge worlds we made
austere lance
It took me forever to hit Brigadier and make that armor setup, smh
echo hill
imma try and guess where i got to
meager panther
I remember when my friends asked me "you never played halo"? Then my friend gave me my first halo game .
I think thats also my last halo game till the infinity one comes out lol
austere lance
Why not Master Chief Collection?
meager panther
He even thought me how to use the console to enter cheats lol
echo hill
okay shit ive got no idea what level i got to lol
meager panther
I will see how good the remaster is @austere lance
austere lance
Wot
austere lance
Master Chief Collection has 2 remasters on it (Halo CE and Halo 2) and 2 ports (Halo 3 and Halo 4)
@meager panther It's just coming up pc with all the fun pc-centered options you can expect
meager panther
Oh
echo hill
plus texture re-touching as well right?
austere lance
I'd assume so, they did that for Halo 3 for the One X
echo hill
yeah exactly
austere lance
@meager panther Does this look like it needs remastered, lol
meager panther
Kinda? Lol
austere lance
How about this
austere lance
@meager panther The bottom one is the original version, the top is the remaster
echo hill
is it just me or are the San'shyuum assholes?
austere lance
@meager panther You'll be getting the remasters with Master Chief Collection, don't worry 😄
meager panther
😘
agile tinsel
Yeah the 3 high prophets are assholes
austere lance
Technically only one's an asshole (Truth). Regret is a punk-ass and Mercy is a religious nut-job
agile tinsel
Oh yeah that's true
echo hill
but didnt their race in the covenant kinda just cuck the sangheili
austere lance
Regret liked em as soldiers. Unless you mean the Prophet race in general, in which case I wouldn't say they cucked them. They fought an impressive war with the Elites that the Prophets only won cuz they activated a Forerunner Dreadnought
austere lance
Prophets+Elites actually managed to fight a war with a bunch of worms, lol (Hunters) @echo hill
echo hill
hahah thats true
austere lance
Except they didn't have Hunter armor and whatnot, they were literally just worms inhabiting and eating Forerunner tech
My One S is here and updating rn 🙌
austere lance
I feel like my shit old original Xbone was a couple updates behind, this whole UI is new and has way better input response
echo hill
yeah its def gotten better
austere lance
@echo hill I'm installing 38 things and still have 330+ GB left 😂😂😂
austere lance
Yep, lol
austere lance
After the OS got installed it was 780 GB, but I've been juggling games for a 350 GB one for years and this is heaven by comparison xD
Literally every game I own that I'm interested in playing and any Game Pass ones I like are installing and I'm still over 350 GB free, lol
raven frost
echo hill
okay echocast it pretty cool...
cinder vessel
no joke i kind of abhor how much space some modern games take up
bronze wind
Like disk space?
cinder vessel
ye
bronze wind
Yeah it can be a lot lol
cinder vessel
My PS3 & PS4 cri evry time
bronze wind
Even my PC cri
cinder vessel
same
echo hill
ive got a 2tb hdd and sometimes that doesnt even feel like enough
cinder vessel
it makes me feel sillier for getting a higher capacity PS3 several years ago, in some ways
echo hill
hahaha
cinder vessel
because even the highest capacity models weren't enough
bronze wind
I need to buy some more storage. I want a separate drive for Linux as well.
But that'll come when I start getting paid
echo hill
yeah having dual boot is nice
cinder vessel
i already have 2 HDDs in my PC and both are nearly full 😩
shoulda invested in a higher capacity second drive
echo hill
i have a dual boot windows 10/7 at work and its hella nice
cinder vessel
remember when terabytes seemed like enough 😩
bronze wind
I have a 1tb HDD , a 240gb SSD, and another 250gb SSD that's full
240gb one is for os, isn't full but I don't put games on it
echo hill
ive got 2tb hdd, 1tb ssd and 500gb ssd
bronze wind
I need a couple 1tb ssds
cinder vessel
tbh it's because of the cost of higher capacity ssds i'm just like fuckit space = priority
echo hill
i had another 500gb ssd but i wasnt using it so i gave it to my friend who was building a computer
cinder vessel
altho i haven't looked in awhile, they're still fairly high yeah?
bronze wind
Luckily SSD prices are dropping a bit
echo hill
ive also got an additional 16gb of ram sitting on my desk collecting dust lmao
bronze wind
The m.2s are more expensive but have nice sales
2.5" ssds are fairly cheap though, obviously still more expensive than a hard drive
cinder vessel
you work with PCs if memory serves Bee, yeah?
echo hill
as a hobby yeah
bronze wind
Which is kinda funny cause I'm almost certain they're easier to manufacture and probably cheaper
cinder vessel
waitwhat, lmao
i thought they were part of ur job, so i was gonna be like that explains it
cinder vessel
aahh
echo hill
software as job/hardware as hobby
cinder vessel
someone should make a game about trying to afford pc components, lmao
echo hill
youve seen my rig right?
cinder vessel
think so, unless it's further transformed
echo hill
not very recently
its kindof a frankenstein of my original build, some new parts, and a completely different build
cinder vessel
do you ever wish u could shrink urself & some friends down into it and make it a rave space
cinder vessel
lol how could you not?
cinder vessel
nice
austere lance
After not playing Pokémon since Platinum I finally started Ultra Moon, lol
bronze wind
Ugh platinum was great
I found giratinas cave by accident and was so confused the whole time
Woke my brother up to show him the weird legendary I found lol
austere lance
Giratina was the legendary I used my Master Ball on, lol
Pokémon is weird now, it's 3D and you have to clean your Pokémon after every couple battles. And they eat beans. And Z Power Stones are a thing
And apparently wild ones can call for help?
bronze wind
You can ignore all that stuff really
cinder vessel
lol at it being weird now
bronze wind
It adds some stuff to the game and it simplfies some mechanics but you don't actually need to clean them or anything
cinder vessel
also my favorite dumb pokémon moment was catching groudon in ruby because i went unprepared with only a few meh pokéballs and ended up using my master ball because i didn't wanna waste the opportunity & reload & redo a bunch
austere lance
I've played for like an hour, I have some weird Z Stone on my wrist now that I don't know how to use and I've beaten that Hau kid's ass twice cuz he picked the Grass starter when I picked the Fire starter 😄
When I saw he picked the Grass one I was like "Wtf kinda Rival are you?!"
Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon is free with Gold next month
I think I've seen y'all talk about EDF, is Insect Armageddon any good?
cinder vessel
ya have gold, yeah? might as well give it a try if ya have the space available
austere lance
I'll download it with the 20 other games I'm downloading rn, lol
Unless it comes out in the second half of May, in which case all my games will (hopefully) be done downloading 😄
winter yew
@austere lance yuck
I’m sorry that will be the first EDF you get to play
If I could afford it I’d buy you EDF 4.1
It’s basically a Westernized version of the EDF series, has a lot less missions than a traditional EDF game, and it’s not as overly campy. Still, I hope you enjoy it for what it is.
willow crypt
We might be getting a half life prequel announcement this week alongside valve index
lavish obsidian
this must be the new oculus quest controllers
cinder vessel
mhm
hybrid quest
winter yew
Ooo
willow crypt
It's a fun game. Glad to see they continue to add updates
meager blaze
but will it have Star fox?
winter yew
bronze wind
Looks neat
winter yew
I thought so too.
cinder vessel
Starlink, I almost forgot, thanks weird schedule
bronze wind
np
winter yew
😂
bronze wind
but I may get it if the pricing is adjusted (it won't be)
bronze wind
i'll wait until deluxe is on sale or something
cinder vessel
tfw ur get rich scheme backfires and ur left with loads of toys
meager panther
😩
winter yew
New physical is £14.99 pretty much everywhere here.
bronze wind
yah but don't you still have to buy the $20 unlock thing ?
winter yew
Not that I can see.
bronze wind
Well like I can get it for $60 but then I don't have all the content
Like extra weapons and stuff
Which is kinda the point of the game lol
It's the annoying EA/Ubisoft pricing model 😩
austere lance
@echo hill The big-ass Sea of Thieves update is out
winter yew
hmm
austere lance
I like how the first thing lots of people are doing is fishing, lol
austere lance
Don't forget cooking, fishing, Tall Tales, Arena, open-able chests, constellation voyages, traps, and supposedly hunting
teal mason
would be great if it ain't on UWP
winter yew
I agree, I genuinely want to play SoT but my choice is my GF's XB1 or Windows Store.
Both are neither an option.
bronze wind
If your gf has it digitally you can just log into her Microsoft account on PC and download it
It's crossbuy
winter yew
I don't use Window Store. 🤷
bronze wind
Ok
winter yew
SoT would be my reason to tbh
bronze wind
I mean in this case it's basically a free download
Aside from the annoyance of having to be logged into her account lol
echo hill
@winter yew if it makes you feel any better, once the game is installed you basically dont have to interact (or even open) the microsoft store to play the game
austere lance
echo hill
I love the code that they showed xD
cinder vessel
@bronze wind late reply 'cause work, but yeah even if you bought Starlink physical on the cheap, if you wanted the rest of everything from Wave 1 you'd spend like $60 (or less if you catch on sale)
bronze wind
Yeh bummer
cinder vessel
Tbh I almost think Ubisoft has something against the IP as a whole, lol
Like nothing about how they've handled it has served it well
cinder vessel
Yeah, but Starlink is like extra layers of that noise
Hey do u need toys? Ohey can u use toy & digital if u do toy? Oki so no toy but wait how can i buy all at once? oh it's, wait it's $140?
winter yew
Oof. Had a kid buy the game Anthem tonight. Hope he enjoys kicking himself in the dick for wasting $60.
cinder vessel
reminds me of seeing folks buy Fallout 76 over the holidays
austere lance
Can I offer you a repair kit in this trying time 😏
willow crypt
No thanks
visual snow
meager panther
The roommate for my first sim is apparently lazy
None of the sims are speaking English
Wtf
meager panther
Its pretty funny so far
brisk merlin
(((Sims dont speak english)))
idle saffron
Sims speak simish?
brisk merlin
Simolian
lavish obsidian
willow crypt
Give half life prequel
idle saffron
😡
willow crypt
☺
bronze wind
idle saffron
🙅
meager panther
meager panther
The roommate sim keeps cutting its fingers when cooking lol
And some vampire looking guy kept banging on the door for a few hours
I didn't open the door
Oh and the roommate fucking washes the dishes in the toilet
What a looney
idle saffron
You have a terrible roommate
idle saffron
Ah, so no choice
willow crypt
wow what a game
austere lance
Alright bois, time for NG+ in Prey
willow crypt
Burn it down
meager panther
austere lance
Big RIP, I don't get to carry over my equipment from my ending save to New Game+. Just my abilities I unlocked
willow crypt
Borderlands 3 is looking good. the weapons look a lot more diverse and fun.
austere lance
cinder vessel
yep that's a settings screen
winter yew
OK, opinions on my next purchase target, ARMA 3?
stark palm
i played ARMA 2 it was ok-ish. ARMA 3 videos look like the game can be fun but it seems like it's just a prettier 2
i like planetside 2 better
winter yew
Ill take a look
stark palm
and planetside 2 is free unless you feel like buying stuff
stark palm
yeah arma is more a military simulator
but in gameplay it's not really much different
if you want to get anything done you have to coordinate with a team
stark palm
for planetside 2? all subscribing really does for you is progress faster and give you shorter timers when changing continents
winter yew
shorter... timers?
stark palm
often continents are full so when you try moving to that full continent you get put into a queue. subscribers get priority in the queue to some degree
winter yew
Oh
teal mason
I just play on empty continents cos I can capture bases literally by myself
stark palm
it's usually not more than a few minutes
teal mason
yeah it's a game you don't need to buy
stark palm
shrug
teal mason
what are we talking about again?
stark palm
we were talking about how some players are too good to play with the lowly poor gamers.
winter yew
Well, the next game in my 2019 roadmap is SMM2
teal mason
is that Super Mario... Mamamia 2?
winter yew
Nope, mario maker 2
winter yew
then animal crossing, pokemon, luigis mansion, google stadia, doom eternal
well
Doom Eternal IS on STADIA
willow crypt
I'm surprised no one is talking bout Borderlands 3 on here
winter yew
ah, I have 1 and 2
teal mason
there something new to talk about?
willow crypt
A ton of game play
Apparently it's much larger than 1 and 2
He made it sound like there will be quite a few worlds to explore in the Galaxy
And you have a spaceship
But I don't think there'll be free flying
Yep, just replayed 1, fun game
cinder vessel
eh
willow crypt
You no likey?
cinder vessel
i don't have anything good to say about borderlands so i try not to talk about it much
cinder vessel
lol
it's all junk i've said before around here tho so
i don't like the combination of Diablo with FPS stuff, and Borderlands paved the way for games I feel might have been better had the entire series never existed, e.g. Destiny, maaayybeee Anthem (albeit that was probably a wreck even without the series' influence)
willow crypt
Hmm I understand
teal mason
I never played BL and I prefer full on open world gaems 
willow crypt
Thankfully they keep micro transactions out
I think open world games mixed with linear levels , if mixed correctly, can be better experiences that flat out open world games
cinder vessel
i just find incrementally better equipment in games more annoying than fun
swift ingot
What would those games have been if not a lootshooter?
swift ingot
it takes a certain type of gamer to like loot-grinders. That's ok, Not everything is for everyone. I'm just curious about Vrtl's stance on them
willow crypt
But that makes sense. The grind can get a bit repetitive and tiring, always looking for something more powerful
I understand that sentiment
cinder vessel
In Destiny's case, perhaps a competently made FPS campaign with drop-in/drop-out coop that allowed access to different paths in the level and/or scaled things accordingly to be more interesting? 🤷
swift ingot
Sure, but it couldn't have been a service game, which was what they wanted to do with it.
cinder vessel
I find grind & loot tiers just makes it harder to hop in a game with friends and play, even games that at their foundation that are like that, like Monster Hunter, bum me out as a result of that
swift ingot
Which, honestly, makes me join your side in this
willow crypt
I do appreciate bungies creativity when it comes to weapon design
swift ingot
Cuz, really, games as a service is so hard to do right
winter yew
I think I should choose my games wisely, bc I literally cant explore all the stuff of the games I buyed, I've always been a person who buys highly anticipated games and then spends crazy time trying to finish them, thing that usually takes too much time.
swift ingot
I don't mind the concept at all, it's just so easy to fuck it up LOL
winter yew
Well
cinder vessel
If the aim of a service game is to provide additional content there was, imo, not much wrong with the classic approach of DLC except for the part in which it locks out some folks
swift ingot
True enough, but I guess it's a longer-term attempt
willow crypt
Oh Leon, borderlands is apparently having a coop mode that allows enemies and weapons to scale for each player
cinder vessel
However, if the issue at play is locking people out, you can always do free trials throughout the year and such
swift ingot
That and being able to control the experience down at the core, given the inherent lack of moddability
willow crypt
So if you're a level 5 and your friend is 25, you both still get loot and enemies according to the level you're at
swift ingot
i dunno, I don't think these games would have been any better where they not looters
Destiny would have been a better story-game, hell yes
But it would have just been Halo 2.0
willow crypt
I want Bungie to prioritize story and the campaign experience and length
Don't care if they throw out pvp
swift ingot
I want Bungie to hire Marty back too but well
cinder vessel
Tbh on some level I think RPG & loot mechanics are fundamentally broken for multiplayer without ridiculously thorough revision
willow crypt
But pve should remain, since that's the point of destiny
swift ingot
I do agree it works way better in a single-player focused environment
willow crypt
Yeah
cinder vessel
I mean the reason tabletop RPGs are kind of a hassle to work through is that you don't want people falling behind & just generally missing out
So then trying to translate that to video games has some of those same issues, and scaling can help but is hit or miss if not implemented well
willow crypt
I think Gearbox will do a better job with BL3, especially since Randy mentioned theyre left with a lot of extra time to polish
swift ingot
Yeah the seem to have a very sharp eye with the gaming climate in general
they know gamers are growing more and more impatient, and there's nothing to be done about it.
So they've just been working on the game and they announced it closer to release than they otherwise would have in the past
cinder vessel
gearbox, sharp eye on gaming climate, does epic store exclusive deal 🤔
willow crypt
2Ks choice
Although I'm surprised Randy wouldn't have any kinda influence to change that
cinder vessel
speaking of no microtransactions, just saw this pop up in another server:
https://www.pcgamer.com/borderlands-3-will-have-microtransactions-but-only-for-cosmetic-items/
cinder vessel
Creative director Paul Sage clarified that while skins, heads and auxiliary equipment will be available for purchase, they won't be pay-to-win and Gearbox isn't going down the games-as-a-service route. He also confirmed that there are no plans at all for microtransaction currencies or similar things that players will be pushed to buy.
They're trying to figure out how to say they'll sortakinda nickel & dime you without using existing marketing terms, lol
idle saffron
Optional cosmetics is fine by me. I just won't buy
cinder vessel
I don't like those on paid for games, makes me feel like base purchase is getting less