Omg haha
#other-games
echo hill
gaunt hare
@echo hill that's the spirit
echo hill
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gaunt hare
I haven't played sekiro but I know fromsoft games
echo hill
Or I'll resent myself š
brisk merlin
Hi
raven frost
I went back to playing SC again
the new flight model lets you go stupid fast
like from ground to out of orbit in about 5 seconds fast
brisk merlin
Ooooo
echo hill
yeah lol
oak token
i have both servers right next to each other and ive never noticed :P
austere lance
echo hill
HAH FUCK YOU JUZOU
cinder vessel
yo so are any of you into Front Mission?
austere lance
I'm more of a rear mission kinda guy 
echo hill
I'm starting to get the hang of sekiro and now I'm having fun
cinder vessel
Yoshitaka Amano art UwU:
http://files.replacementdocs.com/Front_Mission_-_Manual_-_NDS.pdf
cinder vessel
is into the breach secretly the streamlined front mission everybody didn't realize they wanted š¤
light cairn
then why isn't it called front mission, checkmate š
cinder vessel
mod the game to change the title screen to Front Mission: Into the Breach
light cairn
Into the Front: Mission Breach
cinder vessel
Breach the Front: Into Mission
cinder vessel
have been skimming stuff about the series, still no idea why they went with that name, lol
light cairn
my guess is rule of cool
cinder vessel
also i'm convinced that as is sad tradition with some Square Enix franchises, this is yet another they simply don't know how to market
fluid hare
Mission Front: Remember Reach?
bronze wind
Into My Front: Breach Me
cinder vessel
owo
reef storm
^
winter yew
Agreed, worst case scenario is free game or wait for a year.
Neither are a huge deal.
teal mason
what game?
inland grail
Hey
austere lance
So uh, R6 won April Fool's Day
https://youtu.be/cyzqxRHLPpk
agile tinsel
I was reading this half hour ago, quite interesting
austere lance
The Anthem Discord is basically a dumpster fire since that article came out
Twitter
reef storm
What's the jist of the article? Can't open it at work
agile tinsel
Anthem was in development for 7 years but was only in production for a year, frostbite engine is a bitch, and it was all a clusterfuck with lots of crunch and stress leave
"One mandate from Anthem's directors had been to make the game āunmemeable,ā a reaction to Mass Effect: Andromeda'ās jittery facial animations, which became an internet joke in the days leading up to that gameās release. "
reef storm
Thanks, Ghost
agile tinsel
No problem
fallen notch
Don't let any part of this game become an internet joke!
Result: Whole game becomes a joke?
cinder vessel
Another interesting takeaway from the article is, "Don't let one of your main team leads leave during preproduction, no matter how confident they are they've established the groundwork of what the game will become"
A lot of the clusterfuck very much sounds like it could be traced back to a primary leader leaving and then those that remained trying to scramble & fill in their shoes, to disastrous effect
What sucks is that the original concept, while potentially tiring after awhile, definitely sounds fairly solid
The idea of coordinating with friends to see how long you could last out in a hazardous environment, and eventually falling back to town to, presumably, restock on essentials & set out to see how much further you could go the next time, is interesting
Quote from the article:
Over the months, a core concept started to crystallize: Anthemās planet would be sort of like the Bermuda Triangle of this universe, with an inexorable gravity that was constantly pulling in alien ships and hazards...There would be big, scary creatures out in the world, and your job would be to see how long you could survive.
agile tinsel
I was also surprised that they didnt look at destiny or other looter shooters for ideas or what to avoid. Its crazy that "destiny" was basically a banned word. Seems like pretty big overconfidence
cinder vessel
I think it was also some heavy reluctance to recognize what they were shifting the game to be
Like the fact they were more open to Diablo 3 over Destiny is pretty...Telling, I guess
Reading about the original concept makes me bummed that that didn't stick
It sounds a lot more like a coop-oriented roguelike for a change, which I mean I guess is sorta what stuff like Risk of Rain (& now Risk of Rain 2) is, as well as Don't Starve Together, but eh
agile tinsel
The conditions also sound real terrible to work there. I mean from what ive read seems like every game has crunch but this sounded rough
cinder vessel
but but, ~bioware magic~
austere lance
They died after their golden trilogy and they know it
cinder vessel
but they never made a golden trilogy š
teal mason
sounds like Overkill's TWD, shit engine, 1 year to finish game from scratch, and shit management
all it needs now is insider trading and some short-haired man in a suit blaming all his staff
frank stratus
Also how did no man sky manage to get beyond when EA did not
agile tinsel
That is called "No Mans Sky Beyond"whereas EA was trying just "Beyond"
frank stratus
Actually the original design sounds a little like donāt starve mixed with nms
cinder vessel
sorta, yeah
reef storm
Nah, just Devolver taking shots at themselves
full pivot
oh ok thats good then haha
frank stratus
Also at that BioWare article. Stress casualties.... your making a video game not fighting a war / doing triage in a disaster zone .
Maybe EA should just shut them down and try again
Morale seems to be at squad broken levels.
lavish obsidian
frank stratus
I mean youāve driven off half your veteran developers to beamdog/improbable
The remainder are so burnt out
teal mason
But muh c a p i t a l i s m
Srsly anyone who excuse this by saying people can just find another job really is just old or stupid or both
frank stratus
well the main problem is a survivorship bias
on the coding side no one will willingly work for a gaming salary unless their a shit developer
well almost no one
like the only developer who actually became rich off game development was notch
meager panther
And sean
frank stratus
yes but hes not gonna get a buyout from MS like notch did
teal mason
That too
frank stratus
but yeah when EA pays C++ Devs a measly $80k
what you pay for is what you get
like $80-100k depending on seniority for a C++ dev is pretty terrible because no one good will work for that cheap
like your paying at least $300-500k for a good C++ developer
visual snow
Seems like a lot tbh
frank stratus
over 6 years of anthems development time thats $3M on just 1 person alone
thats the market rate
frank stratus
thats an east cost position
teal mason
India is outside westcoast usa
meager panther
Well NYC is obviously same calibre
meager panther
Well it's asking for 10 years of experience in that listing
So it's not like that's the starting package either
frank stratus
yes a senior C++ game dev at EA gets maybe $100k with similar experiencce
if you look at glassdoor
meager panther
Hmmm
frank stratus
so the only people who would sit in that position A. Really really like making games or B. are so terrible they couldnt find jobs elsewhere
meager panther
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frank stratus
If EA was actually paying their developers 400-500k a head. They would be more invested in retaining them
and you wouldnt see crunches and game development described in natural disaster terms.
meager panther
I mean EA will be EA. Won't pay more that what they decide
I actually need to read the anthem article
Haven't read it
frank stratus
quite sad
its a case study in how to destroy a well run company thru bad management
frank stratus
yeah get a cup of coffee it'll be a while
full pivot
Why bother paying devs a lot of money and invest in making good games; all they really need to do is make sure the e3 presentation looks good and theyve won š
frank stratus
also frostbyte is turning into the F-35 lol
a plane that can do everything but is good at nothing
frank stratus
On happier notes
this should be interesting to someone here
Official Homeworld Lego sets
hollow acorn
Whenever someone tells me Star Citizen is a huge scam...
https://gph.is/g/aXGlnOE
obtuse charm
where is that? the last link
winter yew
I don't think it's a scam but I do think it's utterly pointless for me to buy the game until it's at least somewhat near completion
plus my PC literally melted trying to play it. can't even test it until technology is more affordable
obtuse charm
I'm not ready to invest either but I'm glad people are
gaunt hare
I agree with that.
hollow acorn
I mean, the project is in alpha stage now, so the only reason to buy it is to support it.
gaunt hare
I don't really see a lot of the appeal of playing it while it's being worked on
Buy it to support it??
The last thing these guys need is more suppory
support
hollow acorn
I subscribed, though...
winter yew
I'm also not really a fan of the ship thing from what I've seen. is there any way to unlock the other ships in the current build of the game or at the very least when the actual game releases?
hollow acorn
Monthly 20$ straight to Christiano Roberto
gaunt hare
Jesus
obtuse charm
I'll keep watching it, it does look impressive
winter yew
because buying ships with real money would be YIKES CENTRAL if that was still in the full game, but I doubt they're planning on doing that
gaunt hare
That totally is what they are planning on doing
Why would they not. The amount of money they are earning through it is insane.
It's like Second Life
Getting people to spend thousands of dollars
hollow acorn
They released a new planet called ArcCorp; a planet sized city, completely covered with man-made land, filled with building and urbans
Well, the pledge store is for people who are die-hard fans and want to really support the project.
They said it countless times...
They'll be taking away everything once the game is fully released
gaunt hare
So why would they ever fully release
hollow acorn
I know people who have wasted more than $10,000 on the project.
winter yew
holy shit
gaunt hare
Sounds like you make more money just milking whales
winter yew
what a gamble
gaunt hare
Just keep milking whales forever. Which honestly kind of seems like what they are doing.
lavish obsidian
hmmm
winter yew
I wouldn't even give 10,000 to no man's sky right now if I could, and I love the game and have been here in the server for like two to three years now and fully support HG
gaunt hare
Some cool stuff gets made because of it but damn
winter yew
game development is haaaaaaard
lavish obsidian
i am not in a mood for milking
winter yew
...I hope you're never
gaunt hare
But that sweet sweet whale milk
hollow acorn
Yeah, it seems that way... but whoever is involved in the project's development knows that's not the case.
gaunt hare
To be fair, you are quite biased
Considering how much money you've given these dudes
More money than I've ever spent on any game
hollow acorn
Bought the game for $45 and subscribed for a monthly $20...
gaunt hare
Yup that's more
obtuse charm
that's about the same as most MMO's
hollow acorn
People are paying more for VPN and Spotify
obtuse charm
so it's not crazy
obtuse charm
as long as you're getting that amount of joy out of it
lavish obsidian
I pay $4 for my VPN, lol
hollow acorn
I just believe the project and I support it, nothing crazy.
gaunt hare
Belief is a sketchy thing in video game development
hollow acorn
Those rick milksops who waste more than $10,000 are the crazy ones lol
meager panther
I will just wait for sq42
hollow acorn
I trust no one, I just believe in the idea.
gaunt hare
I dunno though they are probably just super rich
Like why not if you're a CEO gamer. If you have a despicable amount of money
winter yew
well that's fine. I just wouldn't do it personally, mostly because, like I said before, "game development's haaaaaaard." I'm not one of the ones to take the gamble so early, but if you're passionate and forwarding a couple of bucks a month and have a firm belief then go right ahead by all means
hollow acorn
They had to come up with everything from scratch; a studio, staff, dedicated engine, tech demo. On top of that they had some legal issues and battles over the last couple of years...
obtuse charm
"i started this company with 2 things: a dream, and 5 million pounds"
hollow acorn
So yeah, it's taking forever, but you know what... I'm still waiting for Half Life 3 so....
winter yew
my biggest issue is that star citizen may become a game I don't even want to play when all is said and done
meager panther
They have 4 big studios world over now
winter yew
so then I supported it for no reason
or my interest may fade after I already gave away money to it
so that's why I'm playing patient
hollow acorn
They are the most transparent game studio I've seen so far.
meager panther
Well wait for sq42 then
It will probably be a 100$ or 60$ one time purchase
Like other AAA GAMES
reef storm
I'm still waiting for Half Life 3 so.... too soon dude lol
meager panther
Lol
hollow acorn
It's close, pops. Don't worry.
winter yew
not HL3
hollow acorn
Source 2 is on it's way this year...
winter yew
but HLVR is
reef storm
I honestly wouldn't mind HLVR
hollow acorn
They are working exactly on that with Source 2
winter yew
heard someone say it's supposed to be a half-life 2.5, not 3
hollow acorn
They want Source 2 to completely support VR
winter yew
and honestly, it probably is gonna be a 2.5
hollow acorn
Half Life 2 Episode 3?
Good idea to have a whole trilogy for the second installment before going to the 3rd one.
Like Assassin's Creed 2 had with Ezio's trilogy.
winter yew
they probably meant some type of prequel or something, cam't remember
hollow acorn
That sh*t is legendary to this day.
winter yew
can't*
I actually see Valve putting out a major new Half Life installment in VR as a positive thing. you know they'd get lots and lots of sales for the hardware if that happened, even if it was 2.5 and not 3
2.5 would entice people to the hardware, and if it's a success, then they could do half life 3 on it (like how HL2 revolutionized and then had two extra installments with the same technology later)
hollow acorn
Here's another example of how amazing Star Citizen's development has been over the last year
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/b84ulf/my_childhood_dream_3/
So I wouldn't say my opinions are biased... I'm just being realistic and patient.
They will probably finish polishing the game engine in 2020 with everything they need to push the project to a beta state.
winter yew
I feel like you're trying to justify to yourself that your investment has been worthwhile.
hollow acorn
I'm at peace with myself, to be honest. I don't have to justify nothing.
And I totally wouldn't call a mere $20 subscription an investment.
reef storm
I invested whatever the base pack was (35?) and have only played it a handful of times, but I feel like it's a good investment for the future
winter yew
I'm genuinely looking forward to playing Squadron 42.
hollow acorn
Plus, the $20 subscription is for the content support.
They are releasing YouTube content on a weekly basis.
lavish obsidian
Throwback Thursday: Does anybody remember this gem from Ubisoft's finer days?
https://youtu.be/PYMOJJZ8UNs
hollow acorn
This is from the days when they weren't trying to satisfy their shareholders.
For gamers, by gamers.
I miss those days.
frank stratus
The remainder are so burnt out
Maybe spin BioWare Austin into its own studio and shut Edmonton down. ?
lavish obsidian
hey quick thumbs up, Wynncraft is back
lavish obsidian
Yup
fluid hare
winter yew
Borderlands 3 - EpicGames confirmed š
full pivot
More reason to get the epic games launcher; satisfactory is also on it
reef storm
Doesn't bother me. Will still get it
winter yew
I'm honestly happy to wait.
full pivot
Both good options
winter yew
Most bugs should be fixed by the time it launches on Steam.
reef storm
It's not very buggy from what I've played so far
full pivot
For me I should prolly wait for steam or ill forget I have it like all my Origin games
reef storm
oh, I thought we were talking about Satisfactory
fluid hare
There are plenty of reasons why people donāt like the Epic launcher, such as the fact that itās selling your data and that customer service isnāt great.
winter yew
LOL.
winter yew
It's literally waiting for +12 months at most.
bronze wind
Also lol if you think steam is pure
winter yew
That's not a bad situation.
fluid hare
I like Steam.
full pivot
That settles it then
bronze wind
I wonder how many things steam does that you don't know about
idle saffron
It's watching you right now, In fact
idle saffron
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fluid hare
The only thing behind me is the back of my chair.
idle saffron
That's what they want you to think
bronze wind
Sounds comfy
idle saffron
THATS NOT A CHAIR
fluid hare
I donāt see anything fuzzy and distorted behind me.
bronze wind
OH GOD
reef storm
oh frick
fluid hare
Oh please
willow crypt
Of course bioware learned nothing from Destiny 1 and 2
Just as I suspected, they scrapped and rescrapped then had to hastily put what they had together for a release.
full pivot
It had a 7 year dev cycle so I mean...
full pivot
Honestly that should have raised a red flag at least slightly
I often feel this hostility is entirely because people get hyped, disappointed, and don't want to take responsibility for not being more careful about it
willow crypt
That can often be the case
I think I enjoy a stealthily launched game more than one I've kept up with for a long time
Less time for speculation
Less time to build up expectations
But for this game, they screwed around way too much with the core and concept of the actual game to the point where they didn't really have a clear vision of what they were doing.
full pivot
I just ignore trailers and stuff
frank stratus
Kinda feels like weāve gone back to the 2000s 90% of budget spent on E3 trailer 10% on actual game
willow crypt
It's generally a good idea, honestly
Yep
I say we kill the live action trailer bs
More money and resources to the dev team
frank stratus
Prerendered trailers also should be killed off
willow crypt
Yes
frank stratus
Unless maybe your blizzard or square
full pivot
Its because people love e3 stuff and hate games haha
willow crypt
Yep unless you know you can live up to the hype
full pivot
Prerendered is easy to bypass; just go on rails in engine
willow crypt
Seems like E3 might be dying
frank stratus
The main issue is that the project should have been killed long ago like blizzards titan
Management got into sunk cost fallacy
frank stratus
Too many issues in pre development
Esp with turnover that high pre development you have a huge issue
There were too many strikes against it before it even got off the ground
willow crypt
The way Joe describes Anthem's early vision sounds even cooler. And it originally wasn't even a looter shooter
frank stratus
Yeah itās a donāt starve + nms
willow crypt
Gosh darnit
frank stratus
Heck they could have made a 2d version as a prototype to test stuff out
And still sold millions
And you wouldnāt need like 300 people
willow crypt
True
frank stratus
Youāve got great 2d artists from the BG/ NWN days
So itās not like you havenāt done it before
austere lance
My favorite part is this is the second game in a row they did this to. Andromeda had the exact same issues. No clear idea what it was supposed to be, people joining and leaving, multiple studios fighting with each other, and all of it getting finished within a year
willow crypt
Yep, sucks
austere lance
And Frostbite beating the shit outta everyone
frank stratus
Well thatās what happens when you donāt have someone who is empowered to make decisions and everything is done by committee that requires consensus
frank stratus
The only ones coming out looking semi okay is BioWare Austin
austere lance
There's no point in having multiple branches anyway, at this point they just need one studio. They don't make enough games to have studios spread out
willow crypt
But also having a leader with vision
austere lance
Casey used to know what he was doing but I think he went loco
willow crypt
I'd go loco with Anthem
austere lance
If they were smart they'd get an outside studio to help do a good ME trilogy remaster like most companies do nowadays
frank stratus
That used to be obsidian
austere lance
Easy $$$, wins them some brownie points from everyone, and gives em time to think
austere lance
People don't even use their B team anymore for remasters, 343 used Blur and Oddworld Inhabitants used Just Add Water
willow crypt
Always good to see new IPs, especially from big studios, tells me they're willing to take a chance with new creative ideas
But yeah, remastered ME games would be cool for the community
frank stratus
Iām a little worried about Bethesda after fo76
austere lance
Especially if they did one of the sweet remasters where they change gameplay and fix bugs
frank stratus
Star field seems too open ended for them to hang themselves on
The other thing it shows is EA is terrible at management
bronze wind
They made one game that people didn't like, it's not going to destroy their studio lol
frank stratus
Division 2 was built with 6 studios when EA canāt even coordinate 2
austere lance
They're busy crapping themselves after seeing Obsidian reveal Outer Worlds and beating them to making a space RPG š
willow crypt
Yep I don't think the huge failure FO76 is will kill them
I still think Starfield will be great.
austere lance
"I thought WE were making the big space RPG???"
-Bethesda after seeing Outer Worlds
frank stratus
It depends if star field turns into the next earth and beyond Iām all for it
willow crypt
Division 2 is a success it seems
The thing is, I'm not sure how 'big' outer worlds will be
frank stratus
Heck they could bring E&B up to 2019 graphics and keep the systems and it would probably hold up ok
austere lance
Starfield gonna have to work it's ass off to compete with Outer Worlds and NMS Beyond and Star Citizen and Beyond Good and Evil 2
@willow crypt Multiple planets you can go to and do missions on in whatever order you want
willow crypt
Outer Worlds will be more linear
frank stratus
I dunno how byge is gonna fit into ubis GaaS focus though
willow crypt
But yeah, with multiple locations
frank stratus
Star citizen is going to be pretty niche until it actually ships
I mean itās like we are seeing all the BioWare mistakes play out in real time
willow crypt
I wonder how their planetary variation will be once it does ship
frank stratus
Except itās like CR going all Elon musky every so often announcing new features
austere lance
I mean, Starfield isn't gonna come out for awhile. It might release at the same time as SC
willow crypt
The big takeaway: learn from other studios' shortcomings, especially when you're doing something similar to what theyve done.
austere lance
I'm curious what Bethesda is doing to make Starfield different, it's gonna be a bit hard to dodge "This is Outer Worlds but larger" accusations
willow crypt
A different story is all I need to hear
Different planet variety
Different characters
I think they've got that covered
Outer worlds combat looks really good though
austere lance
Yeah, Bethesda doesn't do combat very well
teal mason
people are kinda worried about not hearing voice over in the gameplay vid
and I ain't sure what to feel about it
willow crypt
You mean voice for the main character?
Or npcs
I hope they avoid giving the player character a voice
brisk merlin
((I read that as "vore for the main character")))
winter yew
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teal mason
no like from the vid I watched you can't hear any voice over
willow crypt
Wouldn't be surprised if Outer Worlds had vore
They mentioned the voice acting is unfinished
austere lance
I'm dead š
austere lance
They finally ran out of ways to show a guy shooting himself, lol
raven frost
brisk merlin
nice
willow crypt
Ah cool
winter yew
Those who own all the other Borderlands games on steam (not counting tales) should also be getting 75 golden keys.
That's pretty cool too
bronze wind
You're cool
winter yew
Not as cool as you.
bronze wind
Anyone see the gameplay for darkborn?
Seemed interesting although not sure what the entire game will be like
winter yew
The debut game from developer The Outsiders, Darkborn places you in the role of a little monster who must grow and evolve to seek revenge on the humans that devastated your family.
Huh, seems different.
reef storm
Those who own all the other Borderlands games on steam (not counting tales) should also be getting 75 golden keys. - really?
echo hill
What do the golden keys do?
reef storm
okay that looks creepy
reef storm
@echo hill Rare loot
bronze wind
And bee, golden keys unlock chests with good weapons in game
reef storm
Purple quality and above
echo hill
Ahh
bronze wind
That's a much more concise way to say it lol
winter yew
I won't need all games installed though right?
echo hill
Neat
winter yew
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reef storm
No, just owned I think
bronze wind
The video is a bit sad in the first few minutes, just a warning
austere lance
XP and loot drop boosters
idle saffron
What if we don't want a butt stallion?
winter yew
Stutt Batallion instead
willow crypt
Who doesn't want a butt stallion?
idle saffron
Me
willow crypt
winter yew
Borderlands GOTY rolling out now. Go to Steam and 'verify' the files to force the update to start.
š
cinder vessel
I imagine many may not care much, but a little heads up:
There will not be another line of Starlink physical toys released alongside the update this month
willow crypt
Sekiro why u make my palms so sweaty
echo hill
BL3 will be epic store exclusive for 6 months :/
rigid haven
More toys?
Also, exclusive doesn't matter really
Just download epic and boom
Anyway, Starlink toys sound really neat but I've only seen, like, one
echo hill
yeah, frankly i dont really care, but i know some people care a lot lol
winter yew
wow the ads for BL3 in BL2's new update in the title screen is annoying
echo hill
hahaha
winter yew
it's right at the top and you can't close out of it and it cuts off the head of your character in certain angles
look, we don't need ads in the game to want to buy BL3. cut it out
echo hill
it... it shouldnt
winter yew
everyone knows the game is coming
echo hill
lol thats how like older call of duties advertise the new one
i believe BO2 still advertises BO3
meager panther
In-game ads
echo hill
After each kill
winter yew
I still have yet to beat BL2. still playing through it for the first time
echo hill
yeah you prolly should get rid of that
rigid haven
Your computer is at risk!
rigid haven
I had a McAfee thingy so now I have McAfee for a year
meager panther
It stays for 10 seconds
Before it can close
I had it for 4 years
It expired a while ago
meager panther
McAfee was helpful.it caught a ransomware once
echo hill
hey nice
meager panther
Yeah it saved lot of trouble on that
willow crypt
I hope I lose my save data when I rage quit Sekiro so I can delete the game
willow crypt
|| lady butterfly ||
willow crypt
Man feels so good when you beat them, but then they have another life yaaaaay
echo hill
right??
idle saffron
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echo hill
i was fucking mortified when that happened
it took me so long and i was all YES FINALLY
then 
willow crypt
Ha
bronze wind
I knew there was gonna be another phase cause I only saw 1 healthbar lol
I'm only like 2 bosses away from beating the game at this point and it's a lot more manageable
echo hill
dude ive only beat one boss lmao
i thought i beat 3 but nope the other two were minibosses
bronze wind
||lady butterfly|| has an easy strategy that they tell you as a tutorial message
some call it a cheese but it literally instructs you to do it lol
bronze wind
||two hits, dash to the left/right, two hits, repeat||
echo hill
oh damn okay
bronze wind
can literally just do only that and win in like 45 seconds, both phases
echo hill
lol
bronze wind
||and shoot her down with shurkien when she goes on the wire for extra posture damage||
echo hill
i mean if cheese wins, then cheese itll be
yeah i knew about that part
i really hated fighting the ||Armored warrior||
bronze wind
it feels less like cheese and more like the intended strategy, especially since it takes a while to chip her down anyways
echo hill
true
bronze wind
which one?
echo hill
There's more than one...? š³
bronze wind
I don't know if we're talking about the same thing
have you reached ||senpou temple?||
bronze wind
oh okay, that's pretty far for only beating 3 bosses
bronze wind
Eh, I still count them
bronze wind
The only real difference is the message that shows up after you beat them lol
echo hill
true
bronze wind
Maybe, idk. It took me forever to figure out how to get there so I probably explored too much lol.
echo hill
maybe i was over prepped, but ||Gyoubu|| was kinda easy...
bronze wind
very easy
echo hill
took me two tries
bronze wind
I walked in not knowing it was a boss fight and beat it first try, since there are only a couple moves he uses
echo hill
yeah and theyre easy to block
bronze wind
and then the ||grapple chance when he's rearing up his horse||
echo hill
yeah
okay wait maybe ive beat more than 3
ive beat ||the first ogre, the samurai dude right after him, one other samurai dude a bit further, Juzou the Drunkard, the armored warrior, and the blazing bull||
which all arent "technically" bosses but they were definitely difficult
idle saffron
Well, || Genichiro|| can eat me
echo hill
havent gotten to him yet
idle saffron
Screw that guy
idle saffron
Yeah, and he doesn't feel bad either
echo hill
so rood
bronze wind
@idle saffron are you fighting him yet?
bronze wind
first phase or second?
idle saffron
Second
bronze wind
||you can kinda just run away and jump when he shoots lightning to redirect it||
idle saffron
I can usually get behind, I misjudge my counters with him for some reason
bronze wind
I didn't have as much trouble with him as I did with others for some reason
idle saffron
I'll do like 2 fine, and then no more
Or miss and do 2 and miss and do 1
It's annoying
I can do it, just not all at once, lol
bronze wind
Lol yeah the fights are a battle of attrition sometimes
idle saffron
This is like halfway through the game, lol
echo hill
dude it took me way too long to learn how to do ||mekiri counter||
like every time someone would thrust at me id just be like "Guess I'll die"
bronze wind
The timing on the ||shinobi killer|| is tough
echo hill
then i actually figured it out and now i feel like a god
bronze wind
like more specific than normal enemies, so it took me a while to get it down
bronze wind
Oh it's a miniboss
echo hill
oh lmao
bronze wind
The dude ||with the spear in hirata estate||
bronze wind
took me so long
bronze wind
could never get the tmiing down for the counter
echo hill
yeah
i didnt even know how to do the counter at that point
like i literally just figured it out while fighting the ||Armored warrior|| last night
idle saffron
I stealth hit him before the fight
echo hill
yeah i did too
idle saffron
He hit hard though
bronze wind
You can use the ||undying guy at the dilapidated shrine hub area|| to practice moves
idle saffron
Ya
bronze wind
Includes counter and some others
echo hill
But it's still good to use
bronze wind
Much larger windows for deflections and stuff
echo hill
Exactly
idle saffron
He's all about learning your attacks
bronze wind
Yeah I used him just to understand the circumstances basically
idle saffron
Personal practice dummy
bronze wind
Like, here's how I know when I can use it
although LARGE LATE GAME SPOILERS ||you can kill him once you have the mortal blade and he gives you a tooth with poison in it that allows you to kill yourself on demand||
what are you currently trying to do in Sekiro @echo hill?
Like where are you at
bronze wind
Did you just beat the AW?
echo hill
Yeah
bronze wind
okay gotcha
idle saffron
Im currently having my ass handed to me
echo hill
I'm still in the ||temple||
echo hill
I hate the little ||midget dudes||
echo hill
They always kill me
bronze wind
yeah they're tough
bronze wind
learning deflections is essential, especially for a couple of enemies later on
there's one type of miniboss that has a combo of like 9-10 hits within like 5-10 seconds
idle saffron
Lol
bronze wind
And all he does is spam it
idle saffron
Weeeee
bronze wind
And he doesn't flinch 
idle saffron
š
bronze wind
but when you learn the timing it's easy af to just deflect and build up the posture for a kill
idle saffron
Deflect or die
idle saffron
I tried out the division 2, didnt hook me like the first š¤·
bronze wind
I want to get it but don't have the money or internet to motivate that choice lol
idle saffron
Not that it's bad, I'm just not feeling the style right now I think
bronze wind
Haven't tried it, or really even looked at anything regarding it
Other than a couple screenshots
idle saffron
Did you play the first one?
bronze wind
That's good, I liked the first one
bronze wind
The only thing that annoyed me was spongey enemies, but I saw they were taking measures to reduce that with 2. Unsure if it translated though.
idle saffron
There is still a bit, but headshots matter and not everyone is armored up
If your weapons are on their level, it's good
bronze wind
That's good to hear, matches some other feedback I've heard.
Do you have a PC gleam?
idle saffron
I've Leary's liked their ai in combat, and it's gotten better as well
Leary?
Always
No not for gaming
idle saffron
Mine is years old, just sits on the network open (no internet access) and has movies and music
bronze wind
That's nice.
idle saffron
Last thing I could run on high settings was arma 2
bronze wind
We should all build Gleam a gaming PC
idle saffron
Lol
bronze wind
so he can play Risk of Rain 2 with me
idle saffron
I wouldn't say no, but really - for me keeping up with drivers and updates, and fiddling with stuff is a pain - it doesn't come easily to me
bronze wind
Yeah it's not the best solution for everyone. I don't mind when shit breaks cause I can generally reason about why it's breaking and fix it myself.
idle saffron
You should have seen me just fighting with various dayz stuff
echo hill
i used to pretty much only play first person shooters, but lately ive been veering away from that and playing mostly adventure and single player games, and tbh ive been having a blast with it
idle saffron
Oh, I need this launcher now? Oof
bronze wind
Consoles are nice for plug and play
idle saffron
Aye
bronze wind
I have every console and appreciate the ease behind it, I just prefer the power of the PC
I mean I still use a controller on PC too
Mostly because my desk and chair have never been good for m+k
echo hill
same zoid
idle saffron
Pc poweeerrr
bronze wind
idle saffron
Consoles won't ever match, but man have they come a long way
bronze wind
Yeah they're a respectable alternative.
idle saffron
This shit is sci-fi to me fellas
bronze wind
It's all very cool honestly
I hate console war stuff for that reason
Like they're made for different purposes
idle saffron
Yeah screw that, I want them all
echo hill
i mean thankfully the console wars seem to be coming closer to an end
bronze wind
PS4 vs XBox is different, since that's just competition, but competition is a good thing
echo hill
as a lot of games these days are implementing cross play
bronze wind
That's true as well.
idle saffron
Yeah, their competition is good for us
bronze wind
BL3 will have crossplay (not for PS4 afaik)
idle saffron
I don't see exclusives going away anytime soon though
bronze wind
But that means I can play co-op from PC with my brother on Xbone
echo hill
someday i hope xbox and ps4 can have a sort of universal friend/lobby system
though its a bit of a stretch
idle saffron
If they get too friendly, it makes them stale
bronze wind
exclusives are annoying but yeah I don't see them going anywhere really.
bronze wind
Lol oof
echo hill
the all new xboxstation
bronze wind
I would love for better support for linux to come to steam
I don't mind having windows as my driver on my desktop but being able to use linux instead would be nice.
They have proton already but it's not perfect
Also I hope the valve index is decent
cause i love the controllers
echo hill
what that
bronze wind
index?
it's valves VR headset that they teased
Comes with the knuckles controllers, which are really cool
echo hill
oh damn that sweet
bronze wind
brisk merlin
im going to punch you with the controller uwu
idle saffron
So then I could flip off Gek
bronze wind
yes exactly
echo hill
flip you Gek!
bronze wind
and yos son
echo hill
wait no the gek are my favorite race
brisk merlin
yos!
brisk merlin
can we get a yos
bronze wind
yos
echo hill
nos
idle saffron
son
echo hill
soy
idle saffron
yos
brisk merlin
yos
bronze wind
yos
willow crypt
yob
bronze wind
boy
brisk merlin
yos?
solar vapor
yos
cinder vessel
i found a copy of Final Fantasy Anthology for the PS1 with the discs in near perfect condition š
and the bonus audio disc included for a change
@rigid haven the Starlink toys are honestly pretty damn brilliant, at least the starships are. There's an actual incentive to collect them because you can swap the parts between them
silver sparrow
i'm already playing TLD and subnautica, any other walking sims with good graphics?
reef storm
@echo hill When we doing this thing?
echo hill
soon. it's still downloading. you mind if i stream it?
reef storm
Of course I don't.
reef storm
ono
echo hill
UAC freaked out when i tried to open OBS
fluid hare
UAC?
light cairn
user account control, the prompt that shows up when you try to make changes to a windows pc
cinder vessel
Hey uh, does anyone know offhand if you could use a typical Gameboy link cable with the Gameboy Player for the Gamecube to act as a GBA to GameCube link cable of sorts? š¤
Skimming through some sites, I'm seeing fuckall about whether that was a thing one could do, but I'm increasingly thinking I may have done that...
hybrid quest
@bronze wind i pre-order knuckle day one
in may
i think be outsold quick on steam
meager panther
So thinking of games as a service like stadia
What if
They did it for online only games
Like Apex legends
It will be a hit
No more cheaters,
Everyone can play at a good quality
And the development will be incredibly easy
bronze wind
It's the same thing though
You still download Apex
With stadia you wouldn't download games
The latency is still there
gaunt hare
I really don't like the talk about sekiro getting an easy mode.
idle saffron
Screw them, I want 10 billion dollars
If they can't beat it, play something else
I think they should go the opposite way, and make an extreme mode
idle saffron
It is one of the things I can't stand about our society - trying to pander to everyone. Life isn't fair- you can't do some things as well as others can, that's the way it is. It reminds me of participation awards
idle saffron
Not on console
idle saffron
Doesn't matter - if they can't beat it or it's too hard..PLAY SOMETHING ELSE
I may not be able to beat it, I'm at the halfway point and it's beating me up
meager panther
Nothing wrong I guess tho.like it will probably just tweak some numbers to make it easier
Nms has four modes
š¤·
gaunt hare
I think fromsoft makes games that are at their core about overcoming adversity through will power and getting back up after you're knocked down. If there is an option in the menu to turn the game to easy it makes the message seem so much more artificial
meager panther
Well that does open up more buyers
idle saffron
They will still buy it, even if they can't beat it
gaunt hare
The problem with Sekiro generating this conversation is that articles are being written about how difficulty levels can be good for games so why aren't they in sekiro
Ignoring that difficulty levels are in most games
idle saffron
I remember when no games came with a difficulty
meager panther
I mean like I haven't played the game other than bee playing it yesterday
gaunt hare
Also, I've never been a fan of difficulty levels in the first place
gaunt hare
I don't think it's a good idea to try and design a game around 4 different modes for difficulty
idle saffron
Difficulty levels are fine - this game doesn't have them which is also fine
meager panther
I had fun despite not progression fast enough
gaunt hare
Just makes it harder to balance and make the game feel good.
idle saffron
Trying to shoehorn one in, I think takes away from the game itself - it is meant to be hard
meager panther
Also @bronze wind I mean t the online thing so that it will be a good experience to everyone,no more cheaters, etc
idle saffron
Consoles solve that problem, for the most part
meager panther
Like if apex legends was in stadia,it will level the playing field
Is it on consoles?
idle saffron
Yes
meager panther
Oh cool
gaunt hare
I think they ignore the effort it takes to walk the tightrope of "unfair" and "challenging" with a game like Sekiro
bronze wind
That goes for any online game, and also prevents single player modding and stuff
Also adding an easy mode doesn't affect anyone who doesn't play an easy mode
meager panther
Hence why I said online only mp games
bronze wind
I wouldn't play easy mode but I don't care literally at all what they do
idle saffron
I have been dominated for the most part in the game, and that's why I keep going back
gaunt hare
It does affect people though
meager panther
No it doesn't
gaunt hare
Because difficulty levels have to be designed
meager panther
You can pick what you want
bronze wind
Dont play easy mode then
meager panther
Yep
bronze wind
Is this a hard concept
idle saffron
They can add w/e they want, it's their game. My comments are directed for the people complaining about difficulty - too damn bad
gaunt hare
Is this a hard concept though, what I'm saying?
meager panther
Hey Mario was hard for me lol
bronze wind
I just don't get how a mode you wouldn't play would affect you
idle saffron
It isn't the mode, it's the whole general concept that the game should be for everyone
meager panther
Remember when Mario didn't have saves and you had play from start everytime you lose
š
gaunt hare
That game difficulty is a challenging thing to design in the first place and that making a game work on three different levels makes things even more complicated to design and that sometimes trying to make a game with four difficulties makes none of them work right
Two games this happens in are very acclaimed. God of War and Witcher 3
Having multiple difficulty levels really fucked those games
bronze wind
They already designed the game. Adding a new mode doesn't change the base game.
gaunt hare
The games were mind numbingly easy on easy or normal, but on very hard just become frustrating because enemies take a very long time to kill
meager panther
There are hardcore modes if you want crazy difficulty
bronze wind
That's about games with difficulty levels built into the design process
gaunt hare
And I'm saying if they designed around one difficulty they probably would have hit a better mark
It at least less difficulties
idle saffron
Oh I think they could make easy mode, easily. I just don't like the thought process behind it - it is too hard for people, make it easier
bronze wind
I mean they aren't gonna do it
gaunt hare
That's not how difficulty levels are usually designed though. Sure, there are "easy" or "mega ultra hard" modes for some games
bronze wind
I don't think you understand
gaunt hare
But a lot of games these days are designed with 3 to 4 modes from the beginning
bronze wind
They aren't going to suddenly change the regular difficulty of sekiro because they add an easy mofe
It literally will have no effect on you at all
idle saffron
Yeah, they would just make enemies hit weaker, or have less hp
bronze wind
Then why are you mad about sekiro? Cause that's what we're talking about
gaunt hare
I know fromsoft would never add it into sekiro
Im saying that difficulty levels kindaaaa suck
gaunt hare
Sekiro made me think about it
bronze wind
Which is different than them designing a game from scratch with difficulty levels in mind
gaunt hare
Think about difficulties
gaunt hare
Well at least now you understand
bronze wind
What?
meager panther
gaunt hare
Now you understand what you disagree with.
idle saffron
For me, it's not if/when they add an easy mode - it is the thought process that leads to that "not everyone can beat this" . Well so what? Not everyone can play in the NFL, not everyone can be an astronaut or doctor, or mechanic or whatever. Get over it and play a different game
gaunt hare
I agree with that too, but from a more supportive standpoint I guess
meager panther
Well it just brings in more buyers
bronze wind
I mean if they pay for the game they're allowed to have an opinion on it. I think people go a bit far by writing entire articles on it, but there's nothing wrong with wanting something to be a bit easier.
gaunt hare
Sekiro doesn't need more buyers
idle saffron
For sure, everyone can voice their opinions
gaunt hare
In that way
idle saffron
Mine is that they are pussies
bronze wind
But in the same sense that I think people go far by writing articles, it's the same on the other end with people whining that it needs to be a hard game
Lol ok gleam
Nice use of vocab
meager panther
Gleam going all in
idle saffron
Thanks
idle saffron
And yours
meager panther
Thx
idle saffron
OOOOOO
gaunt hare
I think they would lose a lot of the core audience if they started making decisions like that. Not just the easy mode thing in particular
bronze wind
That message sums up why I'm tired of the soulslike community
idle saffron
Lol
bronze wind
Not yours okapi
idle saffron
I was being harsh - but it does drive me nuts
bronze wind
That fact that it drives you nuts is part of my feeling on that
idle saffron
If they add an easy mode, I couldn't care less if people play it. I just think that the way our society works now, we try to foist guilt on someone if they aren't all inclusive of every single human on earth
bronze wind
I'm not saying they need to add an easy mode, or that from soft should put them in there later games, just that it's such a pointless thing to get upset about if someone feels that they'd like it to be easier.
idle saffron
It isn't that though - it's the idea that leads up to it
gaunt hare
I guess from my standpoint, as a fanboy myself, it doesn't come down to the gatekeeping or git gud. I like there being a challenging thing for people to overcome.
meager panther
I definitely agree with gleam's point tho
bronze wind
It can't be a blanket statement like that though
meager panther
Not everyone needs to be inclusive of everything
gaunt hare
I want people to experience the joy of triumph over adversity, in a small video game dopamine way.
bronze wind
Good for you
idle saffron
I don't mind people wanting it to be easier - but to suggest that Sekiro is doing something wrong or poorly because it doesn't have an easy mode is ridiculous
gaunt hare
A game designed around that idea. So an easy mode in my opinion would be in direct conflict with the game design.
bronze wind
The people that say the game is bad because it doesn't have an easy mode are wrong yes.
But the people who yell and scream because their friend is like "man it would be nice if there was an easy mode, I don't have that much time to play", are just as bad imo
idle saffron
I agree with that
bronze wind
I'm saying I believe the last majority of people who would want it to be easier are the people I've described
Not people who write a philosophical article about why it's too hard
idle saffron
I'm against the philosophy- players can wish for what they want
gaunt hare
I think those people should just accept they can't play sekiro
meager panther
I don't mind about the game choices ,but I do agree the mindset thinking that leads to it is kinda not ok
gaunt hare
I've done the same before.
bronze wind
It's not always the same mindset though
We can't just throw blanket statements over anything that makes us upset once
meager panther
Like not everyone can be in the NFL
winter yew
For @meager panther https://youtu.be/Ug86qB68f1M
bronze wind
NFL is a bad comparison
gaunt hare
I think it's more like not everything is for everyone
bronze wind
Not everyone can walk to the store and decide to buy a pass to tryout for the NFL
I get the point it's trying to make, but it doesn't match the situation
meager panther
I think that's the point
gaunt hare
If you are a person who doesn't like difficult games and you don't have a lot of time to play games and you just want a chill experience
then don't play sekiro
There's tons of games, limitless games that fit that criteria
idle saffron
That's why I threw in mechanic and doctor
bronze wind
For sure. But asking for an easy mode (not demanding) is fine, it just probably won't happen.
gaunt hare
Thank goodness.
idle saffron
The point is, if you want to do something, it doesn't mean you have the capability
Or I would be in space right now
meager panther
Lmao
bronze wind
I'd probably be getting over this and going about my day
idle saffron
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gaunt hare
I guess I brought it up mainly because I was annoyed that my lovely fromsoft games were being used for a really broad argument about video game difficulty and accessibility
idle saffron
Please do not yeet me
meager panther
Nice
bronze wind
I think people just take video games way too seriously sometimes. They're a big part of my life but the toxicity and shit between gamers and from gamers at developers is just wearing me out lately. So I'm just adverse to shit like complaining about people wanting something in a video game.
meager panther
I want zoidberg as a boss in seikro , otherwise I am gonna revolt
gaunt hare
The borderlands 3 thing today
meager panther
Blame the social media for that
bronze wind
Literally anything involving anthem or epic store
meager panther
It just makes it easier to spread stuff easily
bronze wind
There are people behind social media
gaunt hare
Yes and the entitlement
bronze wind
I blame the people
gaunt hare
It's embarrassing sometimes.