Nick Robinson has done it again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AWRR92W5gg
#other-games
teal mason
jade lake
its too bad those castlevania games kinda suck
austere lance
I've heard people like Mount and Blade
teal mason
there are people who don't like M&B?
austere lance
Lol
jade lake
i hope the dueling system is better in RDR2
jade lake
the wait for this game is reminding me of the wait for MGSV lol
jade lake
this looks insane
this is like little big planet on every imaginable narcotic
holy shit
cinder vessel
Dreams would really benefit from being on every viable platform
cinder vessel
jade lake
these visuals are a total hit or miss, ultimately a miss, and bringing a self conscious look into that doesnt really change the fact its still a miss, i appreciate the effort from them, but it looks like its just another indie banking off that unlimited supply of 90's nostalgia.
but hey thats just my take
cinder vessel
yeah, was gonna say, for you it may be a miss. It works fine for me for the most part
even just structurally that space looks way more interesting to me than some modern spaces I've seen lately ๐คท
jade lake
idk it just feels somewhat lazy? i mean i understand where they're coming from, i grew up on the PSX Final fantasy's and while i love those, its realllly time to move on from it and for a good reason, but if it plays well has a nice soundtrack and writing, i'll check it out
cinder vessel
eh, if moving on means pouring a ton of time into high res graphics that strain tech just to keep up with the joneses, i've no interest in that personally. I'm more interested in seeing a variety of art directions, which is what this is
could they do it with a modern look, maybe, I guess? But then it'd just be a different thing
like honestly i'm not sure what this but modern would look like
jade lake
im not all about big budget pretty games either, but DQXI has super simplistic graphics yet still retains a beautiful look, obviously this is just an example, and a pretty unfair one now that i think about it. but yeah, who knows? it'll probably work out for the better in the end for them
austere lance
The best graphics I've seen in a game I've played are in Battlefront II, I'm kinda behind videogame-wise tho
cinder vessel
DQXI honestly has me a tad mixed in some ways. In some scenes and areas it feels like it doesn't mesh
jade lake
some aspects look awesome, like the open plains and such, especially near the oceans. towns look iffy at some points tho
cinder vessel
Have you seen the newer Star Ocean?
DQXI never crosses into that territory for me, but sometimes it very much feels like it's right on the edge of that
jade lake
the mobile game?
cinder vessel
No, gimme a moment, will dig up a trailer
cinder vessel
Very much like they have two clearly distinct art directions for the characters & environments, and the teams didn't really talk to each other
Thankfully DQXI doesn't run into that as much, but in some spots & with some of the effects used, it cuts close imo
One of my favorite examples of this sort of contrast & wtfness is probably Kingdom Hearts 2 and the Pirates of the Caribbean world, like holy shit that wasn't a great idea
jade lake
eww
austere lance
jade lake
^^highly recommended if you've never played it
not my favorite metal gear by a longshot, but an absolutely stellar experience anyway
cinder vessel
I wish Kojima & his team would get the money from sales of it & not Konami
jade lake
i wish konami ceased to exist
gaunt hare
FucKonami
teal mason
laughs in 300mbps downspeed
winter yew
pfft
jade lake
ive finally succumbed to playing dark souls
winter yew
i cant get the hang of that game
jade lake
im going to try, obviously going to get my ass not only handed to me, but shoved down my own throat
austere lance
Which DS? @jade lake
I'll pray for your soul if it's the first one
Even if you get the remastered version you're still gonna get cucked, lol
jade lake
Dark souls 1 lol
copped it on switch
im not ready
but when im at work on break, or when im out of town not playing RDR2, dark souls is what i'll be grinding
austere lance
You get the remaster?
jade lake
i hear the switch version is technically the PS3 and Xbox version
but its titled remaster
sooo... yes?
jade lake
i heard the switch version can at least run blightown, so thats a start lol
i remember watching my friends do blightown on his PS3, was a fucking mess
austere lance
Yeah, that place is the reason I never beat the game
jade lake
i think because its on the switch is the reason im going to beat it, even if it takes a few months
theres a fine line between good, challenging game design
and fucking bullshit
dark souls seems to answer that by just saying "fuck it"
austere lance
You say that til you fight the first hydra, lol
gaunt hare
Dark Souls best game
gaunt hare
Ya they are hard
I've beaten every one of them at max NG+ and beat Dark Souls 2 without dying.
So ya.
I'm kind of a big deal.
Cant get past the third boss of Nioh though, no matter how often I try.
jade lake
odd flex
gaunt hare
You may have heard of me.
DS2 is the easiest one to do it though.
because of those lifegems
I can't even come close in Demons Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 3, or Bloodborne
gaunt hare
DS2 just requires patience and backing up if anything touches you
in all the other ones you have to actually have the reflexes.
gaunt hare
I've finally been able to play Overwatch on PC
graceful dove
xD
gaunt hare
I love that game.
gaunt hare
I'm hard stuck in plat on PS4, have been for fucking years
jade lake
OW has kinda lost itself recently
gaunt hare
on PC I just started comp and I'm 2400
jade lake
used to be a big fan but it feels like they dont really care anymore
jade lake
i think im just getting bored with it
gaunt hare
This meta is really fun
Ya, its already a game of attrition
and heroes are slow to come out.
so I can totally see getting tired of it after 2+ years
jade lake
ye who knows maybe i'll get into it again later
gaunt hare
but in my opinion they are doing awesome stuff. I love the focus on balancing and hero improvements
like this Torb rework is great
I thought they didn't give a shit during the Mercy meta though
or SOMETHING. I don't know what happened there.
That was so ridiculous.
6 months of Mercy. Every game.
It still boggles my mind. They fucked up so bad.
Not even that they fucked up, just that they let it be a problem for so long.
It was so horrible and boring.
When they broke Bastion they fixed it after a week or two, or at least made it not game breaking
austere lance
I prefer Paladins, lol
gaunt hare
I've thought about checking that game out
but then I thought "What if I like it?"
then I'll either be playing a new overwatch or heaven forbid I'll be playing both
How's the updating of that game coming?
gaunt hare
Isn't it a multiplayer game?
So if it has a ranking system it SHOULD be as difficult as you want it to be
winter yew
Yeah it's really easy
idle saffron
No u
gaunt hare
Does it have a competitive ranking?
cause if you mean easy to learn, so is Overwatch
but no multiplayer game should be "easy" with a proper ranked mode
that's the fun.
jade lake
OW is not easy to learn depending on who you wanna play
gaunt hare
Playing people your level
I disagree. I found Overwatch to be one of the most easy to learn multiplayer games I've ever played.
winter yew
I disagree
gaunt hare
Every character is just one way, all the time, from the beginning. No unlocking or customization
winter yew
I disagree with that too
gaunt hare
and you can pick any character so only a few have to click
at first, anyway
How can you disagree?
Tracer is always Tracer
same buttons, same abilities, every game.
I mean I see how you can disagree with the "easy to learn" statement. Thats subjective.
But in overwatch a character plays the same way every time. HOW you play them might change as you learn, but its easy to "get"
And the objectives/rules are pretty much as simple as can be.
jade lake
well when they changed hanzo that definitely set me back
gaunt hare
In a game like Last of Us multiplayer, Battlefiled, there's custimization where you can change loadouts and things
and in Battleborn you level up your character with skill choices as the match goes on
gaunt hare
but in overwatch Mei has two abilities, two shooting options, one ultimate.
That's why I think its so easy to learn
jade lake
its all in a matter of learning how to use said abilities
gaunt hare
I tried out characters until I found one that clicked, then played. I had a grasp on the game in fifteen minutes.
Right, but that's every game ever.
jade lake
yes but especially more so in OW considering those are the only cards you're dealt
jade lake
ok
gaunt hare
Does Paladins have like an upgrade as you play a match?
and then it resets with each new match
like battleborn?
jade lake
nah
gaunt hare
Thats the impression I got looking at gameplay
jade lake
its a carbon copy of OW in almost every sense lol
gaunt hare
Haha
The dunkey video was great
Part of why I never tried Paladins was it really, really looked like a blatant ripoff.
jade lake
its shameless too, it knows its a piss poor excuse lol
gaunt hare
Apparently the game was in development before Overwatch was announced
so I don't want to say they ripped it off completely
I do think its funny though that the devleopers of Paladins act like these comparisons are 'absurd'
'totally ridiculous'
like come on man
jade lake
but was it a hero shooter when it started?
gaunt hare
I do not know!
jade lake
oof
gaunt hare
That's a good question
jade lake
i mean fortnite jumped ship after BR got popular and now look at it. Maybe after a good while they decided that hero shooters were the new "in". I mean the comparisons OW and paladins have to each other in terms of the characters are fucking uncanny
gaunt hare
According to Kotaku
jade lake
thats fucking hilarious
jade lake
they just do NOT care lol
gaunt hare
I mean, it doesn't look completely unfun
Can't say I care for the artstyle
Fortnight is ugly as sin.
Overwatch didn't do anything for me at first but I've grown to love how expressive the characters are
I don't get that impression with Paladins
austere lance
Paladins was in development way before Overwatch, it was supposed to feel more like Team Fortress and the devs compared it to that during testing. Then Overwatch got announced and the Paladins devs were like "shit, should we change our game?" And they tried some changes but their testers wanted them to keep the old ways, so they did. Then 8 billion OW fans REEEEEd over it and called it a copy ๐
jade lake
well i mean have you seen the characters?
they shouldnt have changed their original game
and it wouldnt be getting shit
austere lance
They didn't change their game, that's the point
They changed some stuff, their old testers told them to go back to the original design, and they did. Even though they knew OW fans would crap on em they went back to the original design
austere lance
I prefer it, personally
I like the fantasy characters and the fact it's free with the same quality as OW
iron zinc
@patent tapir knew you were from here
jade lake
yo whats a good beginning build for dark souls 1
gaunt hare
Well
a lot of people prefer to play with a shield to begin with
I tend to think you should learn how to roll, so I reccomend two handed weapons
but shield and smaller sword might be easier at first
The go to beginner weapon is the Zwiewander or whatever its called
Two hand that bad boy, level it up
austere lance
I went for the dragon sword, leveled up my strength enough to use it one-handed, and beat 6 bosses with it xD
gaunt hare
Dragon sword is also a dope beginner weapon
You'll have to look up how to get it. It involves shooting arrows at a dragon tail for a long time
austere lance
Eh, it's like 30 arrows
gaunt hare
As for leveling, focus on Endurance (for stamina) and Vitality
for health
or was it Vigor?
Whatever makes your health go up
austere lance
I think I chose a pyromancer for my character
gaunt hare
making those green and red bars bigger is what most people do to learn the ropes
austere lance
I liked the option to back up from using my dragon sword and toss fireballs
jade lake
im gonna suck no matter what lol
gaunt hare
Definitely try not to look up to much stuff
just persevere
try going a different way if you get stuck
like if something seems to hard, try looking for a different area to explore. It might be easier.
Figuring it out for yourself is the fun part.
Basically just try not to worry too much about "messing up" your character or whatever
For the most part, as long as you level up the health and stamina, (and don't touch the skill Resistance) you can't like break your experience
Just a matter of trying and trying new things and tactics
and eventually you'll bust through whatever wall you're at.
When I first started playing I was stuck at the first area for dayyyys
The Undead Burg area
Anyway ya, some games are hard because you can work yourself into a corner (like strategy games) but in Dark Souls you're basically never in an impossible situation. You can work it out.
If you're going to get so frustrated you're going to stop, just either "grind" by killing things, resting at a bonfire, repeat to put your level up
or (even better) summon help from other players
austere lance
Don't go too far into the fuckin forest without leveling yourself, lol
gaunt hare
Once it clicks, it will click though.
"It gets better" like those youtube videos for LGBT youth
austere lance
I hate that place
gaunt hare
You'll have more fun if you don't listen to us and just try different things until it makes sense to you.
winter yew
Do what
gaunt hare
Dark Souls
winter yew
Oh
cinder vessel
Two handed weapons always make me feel clumsy and inflexible
gaunt hare
Casual.
gaunt hare
Oh my goodness.
I just saw that Elon Musk tweet
"Twitter is the Dark Souls of social media. Reddit is Bloodborne. Insta is Zelda"
Fuck offffff Musk
cinder vessel
lol
cinder vessel
Hmm, any PC folks dig into Planet Explorers? I followed it for awhile but then NMS came out, lol
cinder vessel
he should set up blocks for himself from social media so he can stop sticking his foot in his mouth, lol
jade lake
not sure what to think
the MGS superfan side of me is twitching on the floor, the logical side of me is expecting something disappointing
also MGS is 20 today woo
cinder vessel
๐คท Twin Snakes Remaster? lol
winter yew
crab battle remastered
Also holy fuck way to make me feel old
20 years ๐ฆ
I was 13 when that game came out
austere lance
Does anybody else want a new Prince of Persia game that follows the Sands of Time storyline/a reboot of the series?
My gf just started playing Sands of Time and the nostalgia hit me hard, lol
austere lance
It was crazy for its time
cinder vessel
i'd be into a game with its style of combat & environmental navigation, but wouldn't need to be Prince of Persia
raven frost
good god
star citizen runs decently now but is so crash-prone
can't stay in a game longer than 10 minutes
austere lance
stable grail
hi
austere lance
https://www.newsweek.com/star-wars-battlefront-2-dlc-roadmap-update-reveal-2019-hero-release-1149186
Some sexy stuff coming in the next few months ๐
cinder vessel
kind of surprised they're still working away at it after the backlash
Tbh I'd have preferred they let the Bioware team that worked on Andromeda continue working on it than Battlefront 4
teal mason
Not like they can back down, that'd cost em the license
cinder vessel
yeah, sucks that star war prints money
winter yew
Sometimes I like to play with Warframe's picture mode.
winter yew
yes
bronze wind
@austere lance @jade lake Either of you see the leaked 30 secs of combat for RDR2?
winter yew
Quality looks better than the official gameplay trailers. ๐
austere lance
Nope
bronze wind
Looked very nice
Won't talk about it much in case you don't want spoilers, although there aren't any actual spoilers lol
winter yew
I saw a horse
In RDR?
No way
yup
and a gun
possibly a revolver
Wow, guess I need to watch it again and see if I can see it.
bronze wind
There was also at least one hat
austere lance
@bronze wind where's the leak?
winter yew
https://youtu.be/AiHwC-Rh9rQ?t=5 - Leaked footage.
Rockstar are copyrighting them super fast.
But as soon as they are down, more are up.
winter yew
=\
PC is a guarantee to happen though.
Probably a year away but it'll come.
No way they'll ignore that money from RDR Online.
that comes in less than a week right?
November IIRC
November isn't in 4 days lol.
Red Dead releases this Friday.
Red Dead Online releases at some point in November.
Don't give two shits about Red Dead Online
if the state of GTA Online is anything to go by
Same
GTA O is a joke.
idle saffron
Iโm a cowboy
austere lance
They actually built the game to run on the basic consoles, so it should have solid FPS
winter yew
I was into GTA O until they started adding Trackmania and TRON and other wacky shit into the game.
and the outrageous cost of the cooler vehicles
winter yew
I think I played up until the Doomsday heists
those were fun
and the addition of first-person mode was pretty nice in some situations
Sometimes I'd just load up into my fastest car and go against traffic on the highway
in first person mode
austere lance
Me and my friends were some of the first people to log onto GTAO, it was a fucking mess for the first night xD
winter yew
I usually played until I either 1. Got bored or 2. Got pissed at hackers
The first time I encountered one he dropped a toilet on my head that caused my player to seize like has being tasered
Was the most hilarious thing
until I started seeing chrome plated trash trucks flying through the air
and then everything exploding
austere lance
I had fun in the lobbies full of people dropping billion dollar bounties on people, lol
winter yew
soooooooo yeah
yes
money was nice
for those of us that have real full-time jobs
and can't treat GTA O as a part time job lol
austere lance
Money hackers were the first hackers, I loved them
Troll hackers didn't show up til later
teal mason
I got basically all my money in GTAO from cash drop lobbies
winter yew
nice
teal mason
don't promote em for EULA reasons
bronze wind
My favorite* type of hacker in GTAO was the one that would just auto-explode all players in the lobby whenever they respawned
*least favorite
teal mason
but that was what I did
winter yew
I was gonna log in to GTA O just now to get a nice picture of on e of my favorite cars but then I remembered I don't have it installed
austere lance
Rockstar took all my money cuz I had too much, they left me 250k. Too bad I'd already bought everything, including the tank ๐
teal mason
did you have a bil or someshit
austere lance
I collected a couple billion dollar bounties off people, lol
cinder vessel
yeah billed for their bil
teal mason
I have like 500mil and never banned once
winter yew
teal mason
while people gets banned for no reason lmfao
austere lance
After they locked down hackers more we had to resort to car duplication glitches. I had two 12 car garages full of Entities that I slowly sold off
winter yew
austere lance
Best air vehicle
winter yew
austere lance
Tanks were stupidly OP at first, you could only kill them with other tanks or fighter jets
cinder vessel
I like how a lot of GTAO's issues stem from people chafing against the rigid design
austere lance
Fuck their grindy bs, my friends and I did every money and xp glitch we could find
We never hacked tho
cinder vessel
the others are just like, let the players run their own silly servers ya goofs
teal mason
one of my favourite ironic moments in GTAO history is when R* removed people's glitched outfits and telling people to "make their own style" in the glitchers' dressing rooms
like what tf do you think we were doing with dem glitched outfits R* your vanilla clothes are shit
winter yew
I wish I had this in a higher resolution
I loved going around taking pictures of stuff in GTAO
cinder vessel
basically
they're bankin' on this sellin' a fuckton
and then squeezing out more via the microtransaction garbage
winter yew
I can't wait for the eventual crash of video games.
It's just greed.
No other reason for it.
winter yew
I was too tbh.
cinder vessel
but Capcom had to Capcom it up
winter yew
Microtransactions should not be in single player games.
bronze wind
Shouldn't be in any imo, but they make even less sense in SP
cinder vessel
Monster Hunter World on PC has DRM junk, their remasters/rereleases are inconsistent outside of major titles/series like Mega Man & Mega Man X and Resident Evil, then what they're doing with DMC5
winter yew
A Youtuber said it best, I don't remember who but he said something along the lines of "If a player needs to pay to skip parts of your game then your game was not good."
Might have been Jim Sterling tbh
cinder vessel
Not to mention what the fuck has Capcom been doing with Street Fighter lately? Like man, that's been a weird wreck
I'll give them this much, they sort of seem to be trying to do better/good, but left & right it's like the moneymen in the business are shooting their feet
winter yew
Cause it is, they see last years profit as a target to beat.
Rinse repeat
More than likely people that don't even play games.
bronze wind
That's generally where these kinds of decisions come from
For most products
It isn't some software engineer sitting in a room going "I'l make my shit suck hard" (although I'm sure there are people like that). It's some exec or financial planner that's like "We need this because of X" and the devs have no say
And if they do have a say it won't actually pan out so they can't do anything about it
Or they're the shitty ones that implement it anyway
winter yew
Hurrah
bronze wind
Denuvo does suck but I wish more people were informed about why rather than spouting random BS like "it broke my PC" or something
Because then it makes it difficult to take complaints seriously lol
winter yew
I love /r/crackwatch for that. They HATE Denuvo.
cinder vessel
Yeah, misinformed people in any circle is stupidly frustrating
winter yew
Seen many graphs proving without is better performance.
bronze wind
Eh
cinder vessel
It all depends on the implementation tbh
bronze wind
Taking away CPU cycles from things is never going to improve performance.
cinder vessel
this is why i avoid online games tbh
bronze wind
But it does really depend on how it's implemented, like Rime just fucked it up but it wasn't solely Denuvo
winter yew
It's hard to do now days tbf
cinder vessel
It's not that I dislike people, it's just why get invested in something they can cancel
they can basically cancel my hangout and great
winter yew
I bought Hitman GOTY and it pings a server regularly mid game.
To the point I couldn't get a connection, couldn't save and then couldn't continue
cinder vessel
wait still?
winter yew
Yep
austere lance
Yeah I wasn't touching the new Hitman after I saw it was episodic
cinder vessel
I was digging around about that & I thought I saw where one of the versions ran without that junk
winter yew
I bought it Friday just gone.
cinder vessel
I think maybe one of the PlayStation versions of it? ๐ค
winter yew
Maybe, i did the Steam version.
cinder vessel
It threw me for a loop, lemme just say that
austere lance
I've played two Hitman games and wasn't super impressed, so seeing the new one is episodic didn't help my view of the franchise any ๐
cinder vessel
'cause I was like, wait wtf is going on here?
winter yew
GOTY gives all episodes, not that I'm promoting it.
cinder vessel
The new Hitman being episodic didn't phase me, just knew I'd wait for the collection
bronze wind
The game is actually pretty fun
winter yew
It really is.
bronze wind
Can be hilarious too lol
winter yew
I;ve done 30 hours since Friday.
bronze wind
"Hey, shitbag!"
winter yew
Hahaha
bronze wind
every 10 seconds
idle saffron
The new one comes out next month
bronze wind
yos
reef storm
Excite.
idle saffron
Looks good
bronze wind
no u
reef storm
And Sean Bean is the first elusive target lol
idle saffron
๐ค
austere lance
I played like 20 minutes of Blood Money and ๐ด, Absolution was kinda cool but I'm not a fan of the stealth in general
reef storm
Yis
winter yew
Like, the hell dude?
bronze wind
I haven't gotten too far
idle saffron
Iโll beat you all!
reef storm
The game is fun.
idle saffron
Rawr
bronze wind
But the amount I played was fun
austere lance
I might try Absolution again someday
bronze wind
I love just donking people in the domepiece with random shit
idle saffron
Xbox is giving away blood money this month
idle saffron
No you
bronze wind
๐ฉ
austere lance
I ๐ด after 20 minutes
bronze wind
You know what's a good game that I play often, with no DRM or mtx?
No Man's Sky ๐
reef storm
https://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/hitman-game-of-the-year-edition-pc-steam-cd-key - if anyone is looking, $24
winter yew
I should play it tbh
idle saffron
#no-mans-sky you guys
bronze wind
idle saffron
Lol
winter yew
Humble Bundle has Hitman GOTY for $12.
reef storm
Nice
austere lance
I'm selling my soul to RDR 2 on Friday, I have it pre-downloaded already xD
cinder vessel
๐ค the discussions i'm digging up are still weirdly mixed on the online req
winter yew
๐ฆ
reef storm
Same
cinder vessel
Supposedly the retail copies of the new Hitman are what I was thinking of
winter yew
I haven't looked too much into new Hitman.
cinder vessel
by new i mean like 2 years old Hitman, lol
reef storm
For any of you city builders, the next Cities: Skylines expac comes out tomorrow
cinder vessel
Speaking of citybuilders, have any of you tried Aven Colony? I've been looking into it to get a scifi citybuilding fix
reef storm
Haven't heard of it
austere lance
I almost downloaded it the other day but apparently it has horrible balance and randomly makes you fail with bs @cinder vessel
winter yew
Ouch
cinder vessel
wha, did they have a free weekend somewhen ago?
austere lance
You're either doing really good with an abundance of resources or you're fucked beyond all redemption and have to start over
bronze wind
I wanted to try Survive Mars or whatever it's called
winter yew
I'm most excited for X4 Foundations, I can not wait to sink a shit ton of time into that game.
cinder vessel
Survive Mars & Planetbase were the other two I was looking into, but the dome-look isn't what I was wanting from scifi citybuilding
austere lance
Surviving Mars looks better than Aven Colony, lol
cinder vessel
Although I still think I'd enjoy them
winter yew
Wow, that looks surprisingly fun.
cinder vessel
It does, yeah, but it doesn't have the open air cityscape style I've been trying to find
To S0ul, mind
austere lance
Aven makes you dome your city too at some point cuz aliens can attack you
jade lake
@bronze wind oh yeah the gameplay looked sick
austere lance
Surviving Mars has much better player reviews compared to Aven
cinder vessel
what is with these scifi games and their dome fetish
winter yew
Cause that's what the future vision looks like I guess.
Like we should have Nikes that tie themselves by now.
cinder vessel
the funniest part of many of these is how they all share the same vision of...basically just slightly fancier looking solar panels and wind turbines
austere lance
Cuz it's easier to dome a whole settlement for protection than to dome each building individually
winter yew
Even the official Space X vision of Mars is domes.
jade lake
dome fetish
winter yew
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cinder vessel
i mean i get it, but it's not a great way to try and set yourself apart
austere lance
Dome is most efficient way of protecting an area on a planet
cinder vessel
I've a similar issue with stuff like Elite: Dangerous & Star Citizen & Everspace & X3-X4. They're each relatively impressive looking graphically, but they all have this very plain style to them that doesn't really push much further ahead than other scifi material you've seen before.
Although some of the alien ships in X3 try a little more, so kudos on that. Same with Elite's alien ship designs.
cinder vessel
I think it's because each of these types of games goes after a harder scifi aesthetic
austere lance
Making your ships "complicated" to fly and locking half the game's content behind a paywall=/=a good space game
cinder vessel
but simulation!
austere lance
๐คข
cinder vessel
On a different note, Thunder Kid's out today!
https://malec2b.itch.io/thunder-kid
austere lance
The irony is that ship flying would be much more streamlined than that in the future
cinder vessel
@inland grail Horizon: Zero Dawn's not a big franchise thing, plus there's Until Dawn, but if you have a good enough PC & the exclusives don't interest you, there's really not much of an argument for any of the consoles, since a lot of great stuff is crossplatform
inland grail
i think spiderman is a thing i would like
Like going around the city with the spiderman music
jade lake
ok
cinder vessel
Fuck off Todd:
https://www.pcgamer.com/bethesda-warns-fallout-76-fans-to-expect-spectacular-bugs-and-issues/
bronze wind
jade lake
admitting you arent releasing a finished game from the start is also pretty fucking scummy and stupid. being self aware doesnt do jack shit for anyone
imo of course 
cinder vessel
I mean mainly I'm just frustrated at this statement because Bethesda
And their history of buggy games
They basically did this same noise with Fallout 4 but minus the statement (as far as I'm aware)
bronze wind
Honestly the headline for that just feeds into the cookie cutter opinion everyone already formed about it
Reading it they don't say "our game isn't finished" as much as they say "we want to expand". And the whole bug statement was mostly about the beta, although yes I'm sure it will expand into launch.
jade lake
also, releasing a game in any vicinity of RDR2 is just a bad idea
or rockstar game in general
cinder vessel
Zoid, they do say, "With 76, we feel we have not finished, but reached a starting line where all new work begins." That is essentially saying it's not finished, and that they're simply moving from the core to additional stuff, which is still not finished.
bronze wind
I mean sure, but they aren't saying it's a broken unfinished pile
cinder vessel
It may not mean "isn't finished" as in broken as fuck, but yeah, lol
bronze wind
They're saying they want to add more
winter yew
Are there any Warframe players here? PM me, itโs important
jade lake
i might pick 76 up in like a year
cinder vessel
Either way, they may as well just use that letter as a template for all their future games, lmao
jade lake
idk theres too many other games for my money to go towards over how sided i feel about 76
cinder vessel
Edit where needed, but it fits their past games about as well as 76
winter yew
Warframe ARG possibly starting up soon
cinder vessel
Oh whoa, I forgot I was following this:
https://youtu.be/An317hx2LQA
winter yew
looks neat
cinder vessel
just finished trying the demo for a bit, it's pretty good!
reef storm
Looks interesting
austere lance
Combat looks kinda like R-Type Command
cinder vessel
Aaah, was about to say
I'm not familiar with R-Type Command tho ๐ค Gives me something to look into
cinder vessel
Turn-based?
austere lance
Apparently it's only on PSP ๐
Yee
That gameplay of Crying Suns reminded me of it
cinder vessel
Ah, so yeah they're a tad similar, but Crying Suns isn't turn-based, it's realtime with pause
cinder vessel
Yeah, and they are pretty close! Although to win the fight in Crying Suns you have to take out the battleship on the opposing side, whereas I'm not sure what the victory condition is with R-Type Command, guessing it varies more?
austere lance
You had to get to the other side of the map and either get more kills before the timer runs out or kill the enemy capital ship
I think the deciding factor if you couldn't eliminate their capital ship/giant Bydo monster was who had more allies left by the end of the game
It was cool, I liked it
cinder vessel
Sounds cool, think I would too tbh
austere lance
There were weird crates full of parts on the map that you could collect for currency and parts, and you could research new ships to use on future missions or older ones. Re-doing the first couple missions with OP fighters and bombers was hilarious xD
gaunt hare
Did anyone play the horizon zero Dawn frozen wilds dlc
winter yew
I havenโt gotten to it yet
I had to backtrack at my first cauldron because Iโm getting my ass kicked
cinder vessel
i keep meaning to play the base game some more but just...eh
i've been a bit mixed about its setting since they first talked about it some more and it carries through. a lot of the mystery that's intended is watered down thanks to it basically being about near future Earth
cinder vessel
like if it had been a failed space colony it might feel more mysterious and strange, but as it is...eh
winter yew
Safe?
cinder vessel
it's got pretty normal action adventure style gameplay
at least for more recent games
winter yew
I honestly was hoping it was a M. Night Shamalamadingdong twist
cinder vessel
i still haven't gotten to the end, mind
so i'm just speaking to poking through the city ruins you first encounter around the start
winter yew
Like I was thinking the world of HZD was contained on an island like Jurassic Park and whatnot
cinder vessel
now that would have been amusing & interesting
winter yew
Yea
gaunt hare
Ya safe as in it's gameplay isnt very interesting to me.
cinder vessel
some science experiment gone awry
winter yew
Yes
gaunt hare
The gameplay loop, I should say.
cinder vessel
i feel that too Spookapi, I think that's why I haven't been able to motivate myself to get back into it
winter yew
Right
gaunt hare
I'm interested by the story, I really like the main character, I think the big fights can be pretty great
cinder vessel
it reminds me a bunch of Ubi-style open worlds, or even Sucker Punch's open worlds
gaunt hare
Also the world is very lovely and visually expressive and obviously graphically impressive
but it feels too busy to me
cinder vessel
like visually busy?
gaunt hare
Ya, where theres so many different area types
Crammed into a map that's certainly big enough, but not big enough for the amount of places.
cinder vessel
oh, i was thinking like the detail feels very busy to me
gaunt hare
Yes, that too
It feels like instead of a gradual transition into a desert or jungle, it's like I cross a line and it becomes a new area
cinder vessel
i'm glad there's enviro-variety, but so far as i'm aware it still seems rather limited.
i'd take that abruptness over an artificially extended map, personally
gaunt hare
Like the Witcher 3 and as far as I can see (haven't played it) BotW did a great job of making the transition feel natural
cinder vessel
although it may have been better served by showing a gap between them, but then that would cut down further on the sense of the world's being connected
gaunt hare
I don't want a bigger map, it just feels like not a real place
cinder vessel
I don't mind that, as noted, but i understand what ya mean
gaunt hare
The environment doesn't make sense to me.
I kind of like the story though, for a video game.
cinder vessel
i think a larger part of the problem stems from the general aesthetic striving towards realism making that way more jarring, but maybe that's just me?
cinder vessel
if it was a little more fantastical ya might be more willing to accept the abrupt transitions, but hard to say
or just a wildly different setting, not Earth, for instance
gaunt hare
My little sister loved this game for the main character
Aloy is really cool
By the way, I'll never stop being amused how many gamer dudes harp on about how representation doesn't matter and then getting super pissed when they arent being represented by a scruffy 30 year old white guy
But I digress
gaunt hare
My sister's a bit dorky so that makes sense
I'm redownloading all the playstation games I haven't finished since my brother has a pc
So most games id rather play on his pc
I literally just started up horizon again and I'm doing that whole, getting used to "what the hell I was doing" phase
cinder vessel
that's simultaneously a nice and frustrating feeling, lol
familiar and unfamiliar all at once
gaunt hare
You guys didn't like the near future earth thing?
I like what the story did with the concept.
Trying not to voice spoilers, but have you gotten to the parts where the term Horizon Zero Dawn is explained?
Definitely not like super original a concept for sci fi, but I found it pretty refreshing for a video game.
Haha, so many of my video game story critiques involve the phrase "for a video game".
cinder vessel
I dunno about Spooky Stripes, but I know for me personally it kind of took away much interest in the mystery of the place
frail wyvern
I'm not in the US so this isn't much use to me, if anyone wants some Hollow Knight merchandise from Fan Gamer here is a 20% off coupon and the redemption instructions HK-APTY-HWMF-XE7N https://support.humblebundle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360010178893
please just say if you used it
winter yew
Cpt. n00bit
topaz wedge
Earnmund, Luminous Grand Master of the End
OMG, this is so OP
austere lance
jade lake
friday 
austere lance
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
raven frost
star citizen: if you don't crash, someone's going to ruin your fun anyway
It's like if the game doesn't stop you from having fun, the people in game will
I was exploring an outpost when some dude in a bigass ship destroys mine and then proceeds to pin me down in some wreckage
had to kill myself just to escape him
fun times
I'm so fucking sick and tired of waiting for this shit, I'm done
I backed sc back when I was, what, 16 or so?
I'm nearing 20 now and I have better things to do than keep up to date with it
I'm done
goodbye
and if it isn't obvious yet I'm pretty fuckin salty
jade lake
lol buddy you're JUST NOW feeling that way?
people that still support SC are being abused
raven frost
I've been regretting backing it for a long time
however, since I put money into it, I just kinda felt obligated to check in on it all the time
it's a cool idea and the groundwork is definitely there now this coming patch, but I'm just tired and done with trying to act interested in it now
my tastes have changed, I really don't have time to sink hours into a game anymore and that's pretty much EXACTLY WHAT sc will require out of people I imagine
austere lance
It's gonna be hella P2W, if it ever actually releases
raven frost
it's what brings me back to NMS a lot, I can sit down and play for an hour or two then leave and not have to worry about anything
THAT TOO
fucking
austere lance
Buys $500 OP ship that can take out a fleet
raven frost
I'm appauled that they haven't dropped the backer system and set the game at a flat rate
hell they could make it $60 for the game and it would be KIND OF OKAY right now IMO
anything's better than what they've got
what sucks the worst is that despite every attempt to just forget about it I always come back to it thinking "is it decent now?" only to get my hopes fucking shattered
I want it completely erased from my memory
good god
there's only 2 games that hold that title in my mind, this is one of them
uuuuugh
anyways, another topic
games that relieve stress
jade lake
recently started dark souls today
gaunt hare
That relieves my stress
jade lake
made a goofy lookin character
gaunt hare
Because I know those games like the back of my hand
So I can play them while listening to music or podcasts
@jade lake how far have you gotten
gaunt hare
What system
daring spear
does anyone know anything about the game Bless Online? It's new and ftp but I figured I'd ask
jade lake
switch
gaunt hare
Fack
gaunt hare
I was going to say I'd watch you stream
jade lake
i wanna get a switch capture card
jade lake
my brother recently picked it up on switch, so he'll hopefully help me out
hes beaten it a few times
topaz wedge
teal mason
Mattel Electronics Presents
teal mason
tbh it looks interesting but I can't wait to laugh my ass of at how this will inevitably flop
topaz wedge
Ouya feelings?
teal mason
just that it won't be easy to break the oligopoly
topaz wedge
oh well... I suppose it'll compete with Atari VCS
It's fine for now if both find a sustainable niche
anyway if PSX Classic sells (because really Sony?), these ones have a chance of profitting as well
cinder vessel
so this is a thing...again, apparently, out of nowhere:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/939520/HELLGATE_London/
topaz wedge
https://store.steampowered.com/app/337000/Deus_Ex_Mankind_Divided/ Deus Ex series, 85% off.
brisk merlin
it runs awfully though
austere lance
I love that game
bronze wind
Runs okay for me, my save just got corrupted like 85% of the way through ๐ฉ
winter yew
Same and I never went back to it.
topaz wedge
ouch
iron inlet
I know some people had that same issue with Witcher 3
jade lake
what have they done wrong
bronze wind
I was being sarcastic, because of nyx's comment about save corruption and the general circlejerk around them
bronze wind
Yee
austere lance
A Clone Trooper with braces, lol
raven frost
I think I should've followed the instructions
austere lance
Or orthodontic head-gear
raven frost
"LAUNCH" 
idle saffron
Astroneer is fun
winter yew
Mhm
austere lance
60 hour story in RDR 2, holy shit
And that's after they trimmed a bunch of extra missions off
idle saffron
Thatโs not counting all the other shit Iโll be doing
austere lance
They had a love interest but cut her in the end, they removed extra stuff they felt wasn't needed
grave elbow
austere lance
Hell yeah, I've got it pre-ordered and downloaded
Same with my pre-order bonuses
My body is ready ๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ
cinder vessel
have you all seen this?
https://www.gog.com/game/the_colonists
blergh, bad embed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk-zuriNvqo
plucky mesa
cinder vessel
in case you want some free spooky games:
https://twitter.com/kittyhorrorshow/status/1053443211375624192
oblique crescent
cinder vessel
By the by, if you have PSVR and are looking for a longer game, The Persistence is really great for that & is on sale on the US PlayStation Store
gaunt hare
@cinder vessel you have VR?
cinder vessel
yeah
cinder vessel
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brisk merlin
Lmao
winter yew
That's the equivalent of $77.30
I genuinely expected it to match the normal price of games here.
brisk merlin
Yea
topaz wedge
https://www.change.org/p/sony-towards-sony-their-new-policies everything that's related to censorship is BAD
brisk merlin
Weeb
lavish obsidian
gaunt hare
RDR2 is so hype I don't even want to look at it
I can't afford it right now and I don't even want to hear about it
Like I'm already sold. I'm going to play it one day
Feels like any information is irrelevant
winter yew
I agree, almost all of the gaming channels I sub to on Youtube posted RDR2 gameplays at pretty much exactly the same time today. My sub list is basically RDR2.
But yeah, I have all intention on playing too just not right now. Can fuck off with the price they're charging.
topaz wedge
IGN: 10/10
topaz wedge
gaunt hare
I have no interest in looking at that
I would have already pre ordered if I had the money
Rockstar has already won
I must see for myself
I understand why people stick with "never pre order" but personally, I've never regretted a pre order in my fifteen years of pre ordering games when I feel like it
And I'm an adult so I can spend my money on what I want, thank you very much
winter yew
RDR2 would have been my first pre-order since Titanfall.
I generally wait for the immediate discounts after the first month.
teal mason
I'm kinda OK with Sony's censorship because it has the potential to drive some people off from both consoles and lower tier VR devices
gaunt hare
I think Titanfall games are insanely overrated
Titanfall 2 campaign was barely "fine" for me
winter yew
I never played Titanfall 2.
winter yew
I skipped that too.
I don't think even anyone in my circle of friends even played it tbh
teal mason
it's a bit meh
topaz wedge
@teal mason ppl that don't respect age ratings should be driven away anyway
gaunt hare
Age ratings should be driven away
topaz wedge
That would make things even easier for censorships
gaunt hare
I mean they are fine as a general guideline, but they are way, way too powerful in the gaming or movie industry
No, no it wouldn't
Books and music do just fine without them
for obvious reasons
teal mason
the thing is age rating based on violence is fuzzy at best, whereas sexual content is pretty easy to define based on the parts showed
gaunt hare
Because they are so prevelant in gaming and movies we are used to them, but they serve basically no purpose.
Especially now with the internet, where someone could look up content if they REALLY cared about controlling what content their young child saw
In film and gaming a lot of time they are run by very conservative censorship that focuses on controlling what content is deemed "permissable" for the creatives
You might think that, but actually sexual content in ratings for movies is insanely biased
Things like lesbian, gay, or female pleasure are censored and deemed inappropriate far more often than heterosexual sex
topaz wedge
Although I also agree with Winder's viewpoint, I think age ratings are shield about baseless accusations. Let's a say a child play a game with a rating M and get to see something gruesome. What do you think the parents would do?
Sue the industry
gaunt hare
A very limited view of hetersecual sex, at that
Age ratings are basically useless, at this point
teal mason
just let every single child play Hatred when they reach the age of 12
bronze wind
I mean they can't really sue since the age ratings are there for a reason lol
topaz wedge
@bronze wind bingo
gaunt hare
Basically what I'm saying is hey, maybe don't give them the opportunity to control what creatives do at all
teal mason
actually, I did play postal 2 earlier than the age of 12
limber harness
Especially around our mods
topaz wedge
@limber harness don't speak like that doesn't include you lol
gaunt hare
If they really hink it's important for people to have a sticker to tell them what content they might deem offensive (subjective as hell) is in the game, fine
bronze wind
@gaunt hare I agree, I think at this point it's more of a protection than it is an enforcement
gaunt hare
but in film and games it has actually controlled what people are allowed to put in their game
bronze wind
Like no one will arrest you for playing a rated M game if you're like 14
gaunt hare
Hopefully things like streaming and steam will erase that
bronze wind
But you aren't legally entitled to some sort of retaliation if your kid gets traumatized lol
gaunt hare
since so far it's been that if your game gets adult only, or if your movie gets nc17, most retailers won't carry your game
bronze wind
I do see what you're saying though
gaunt hare
And you won't be able to find a mature audience
topaz wedge
Like I said, ratings are shield for the industry, not the consumer
gaunt hare
It's an outdated system
No, ratings are always run by people totally out of touch that has nothing to do with the creative process
And totally forces creative people to design their game around arbitrary rules
It used to be you couldn't show a toilet
Or a married couple sleeping in the same bed
It's "better" now
But that doesn't make it any less dumb
bronze wind
Just make everything rated M and let the world burn
topaz wedge
I'm certain that game age ratings came due to Mortal Kombat, that should be a reason no?
gaunt hare
Which were introduced due to a hysteria over games that look insanely old and silly compared to what we see now
Literally due to a small group of old bastards who get offended and try to shoehorn their definition of offensive into everything created by anyone ever
Who try to introduce laws to ban violent or sexual content or homosexual content or cigarettes in a game or whatever is up their craw
topaz wedge
Do you think that getting rid of ratings would stop these bastards from blaming the content because they didn't expected (supposedly) what they found?
gaunt hare
Do you think that the ratings are run by anything other than people blaming content?
We thank our lucky stars that we are no longer banned from showing things that now seem totally silly to be banned
but it's still the same logic, and the same people, it's just been pushed back.
Show a penis in gta, that would have been totally Adults Only and therefore unable to be sold in something like GameStop a while ago
these days, it's better, but at this point why even bother with them.
What's the point
austere lance
I've had RDR 2 pre-loaded for 4 or 5 days now, someone kill me
austere lance
Lol
bronze wind
oh wait
winter yew
bronze wind
austere lance
I'm ready to play as my boi Arthur
gaunt hare
First of all (and this is beside the point, to me) it's not even like the current system is doing the job of keeping r rated movies or m rated games out of the hands of kids anyway??
With streaming and torrenting and their parents just buying it for them
topaz wedge
@gaunt hare I agree with you that ratings enforces restrictions that are 90% of the cases, exaggerated, but you must keep in mind that ratings are just an obstacle, the public itself would become the critics
austere lance
They got rid of typical Rockstar hair-growing physics and made it more realistic than Witcher 3 hair physics, you can't magically get more hair at a barber. You can only style the hair you've grown already ๐
gaunt hare
It's literally not doing anything.
The public has already been critical in the first place
because some of the public are a bunch of whiney babies
And those whiney babies are the one that enforcing this system in the first place
I mean, I wouldn't let my kid play GTA if he was young.
topaz wedge
yeah, but the system works like this whiny babies (minority) + media = power to takeover
gaunt hare
That doesn't mean I want an "all knowing" secret entity controlling what people can create, which is exactly what they do sometimes
bronze wind
I think if it was purely a legal thing and it didn't have any influence on content it'd be fine. But that's not how it plays out in practice unfortunately.
gaunt hare
Those same whiney babies are losing anyway.
What, we want to appease those morons so let's let a secret group control artistic content?
No way
topaz wedge
@bronze wind you mean limited to being a label?
bronze wind
More or less yeah. Like disclaimers on products that say "yeah don't fucking do this stupid thing you absolute idiot"
So if the absolute idiot does that stupid thing they can't say "you didn't say I couldn't!!!"
gaunt hare
Haven't you ever heard of a director being sent those notes by the rating system dark society?
bronze wind
That's how it works now but it unfortunately also affects the creative process
gaunt hare
Literally "edit down this women having performed oral sex on her, the licking was too loud" or "show some of the leg being blown off but not the whole thing" and they have to do that rating or they can't show the movie in a theater because barely ANY theaters will run an nc17
It's ridiculous.
topaz wedge
That's just because censorship is glued with age ratings
gaunt hare
It's literally just based on the arbitrary notes by some random person
Ya but these ratings are so silly
And change with time
And don't reflect artistic integrity at sll
all
topaz wedge
take censorship out and ratings would have nothing to be blamed
gaunt hare
You have no idea who the people who are deciding these things are
gaunt hare
It's literally secret groups of unelected, random people with connections carrying out their whim
topaz wedge
oh, yeah... and old and bad corruption
austere lance
There's a group of dudes you have to explain your movie to and/or show them, they give it a rating afterwards
gaunt hare
and "shockingly" people who get involved in this rating process tend to be totally ass backwards conservative people with a grudge
austere lance
And they'll usually be lenient if you throw money at them
limber harness
won't someone PLEASE think of the children?!?!?!
gaunt hare
That somehow controls the creative process of literally millions of people
It's crazy.
austere lance
You can have heads get ripped off in a PG-13 movie if you throw enough money at the guys rating it, lol
gaunt hare
The corruption is literally just icing on the cake
when the cake is already a massive dung pile
The corruption is a byproduct of a system that is just silly and useless and does nothing to protect young people and actively harms the creators, as well as reinforcing outdated social standards.
austere lance
I wish I was joking but Rampage had heads getting ripped off and people getting torn to bits and it was PG-13, it was a big budget action movie that they thought was guaranteed a bunch of money so they let it slide
gaunt hare
It's a function that should be restricted to like a website
As like a tool for parents to decide if they want to pay for their kid to see a movie
austere lance
If your movie has a phat budget, big name actors, and is projected to make millions they'll generally be lenient on you. If you're a less-famous director with only a couple good actors you're gonna have to work for your rating
gaunt hare
Not a Nationwide mandate that applies to every artistic product made in the United States, or any country for that matter.
austere lance
All the stuff I'm talking about is in the US btw, idk how other country's rating systems work
gaunt hare
And it certainly should have absolutely zero say in what a creator puts into their creation.
austere lance
Ratings people have spent the last 30 years not liking R rated movies cuz they used to (generally) make less money than PG-13 movies. Deadpool and Logan obviously broke that barrier but all the ratings dudes are still a bunch of old fucks with set in stone ideals
gaunt hare
I'm much less concerned about the corruption in the MPAA because in my opinion it's corrupt from the ground up
Same with the ESRB
austere lance
We won't see a change in how ratings people perceive things until we get a new generation of people controlling them
gaunt hare
People complain about video games being immature, yet want there to be a board that controls how much mature content can be in a game.
That's crazy.
The change in public perception of ratings have been happening for years and it's going to keep happening. Like I said, with things like steam and Netflix taking over it's becoming more and more pointless
I just think it's always been pointless
austere lance
There could be 36 R rated movies that make as much money as Deadpool and they would still have the same ideals, smh
gaunt hare
Like, did the rating system help parents decide if they should pay for their ten year old to see Saw?
It serves no purpose, especially with freedom of information.
austere lance
All the jackass parents that took their 6 year olds to Deadpool cuz they thought it was a superhero movie then cried all over the internet about it
gaunt hare
It was definitely a very small amount of parents who made a loud noise
because it's a very small overlap of "parents who don't want their kids to see violent movies" "parents who take their kids to see Deadpool" and "parents who know how to use the internet"
That's a very, very small group with all three of those traits.
If you know how to use the internet than it would take five seconds to Google "Deadpool" to see what kind of movie it was.
gaunt hare
Come on though
In the context of this conversation
I guess I've already said my piece on the subject more than I needed to, probably.
It feels like talking about Deadpool is backtracking by miles
bronze wind
It's a weird situation
gaunt hare
Goddamn. Nobody talk about red dead
bronze wind
๐ฉ
gaunt hare
I'm going to email Kotaku
bronze wind
I may pick it up on xbone. Even though I didn't really want to get it on console.
gaunt hare
Just stop
gaunt hare
Nobodies allowed to talk about it. My heart can't take it
winter yew
But I know I'm gunna grab it before then.
gaunt hare
Definitely grab it.
bronze wind
That's my feeling as well
winter yew
I'll pick it up as soon as the price drops, ain't no way I'm paying ยฃ59.99 for standard edition.
bronze wind
Like, if I don't get it soon I'll just get it before the PC release anyway