Your guess is as good as mine.
#other-games
cinder vessel
Everybody just wants a slick looking representation in their game
gaunt hare
I doubt it's gta
And you're going to get that more in cyberpunk than any other game shown at E3
cinder vessel
Because at the end of the day, what's all that power without lookin' good?
gaunt hare
for sure
Cyberpunk was the only game that I remember being shown with full character customization
Also, apparently sekiro is going to have no multiplayer
Hmm....
cinder vessel
Sounds fine to me, lol
gaunt hare
That's a first, Miyazaki
I love soulsborne online stuff, but I admit it's not as novel as it used to be
cinder vessel
I couldn't use it with Bloodborne because PS+ bullshit so 🤷
gaunt hare
PS+ is pretty worth it
cinder vessel
Nope
gaunt hare
We got XCOM 2 this month
And Black ops 3 and trials
XCOM seems cool
I can't blame you for not getting it if you have PC though
jade lake
wait cyberpunk isnt an rpg?
gaunt hare
It's infuriating to pay for lower quality online with no cross play when you can get it free elsewhere
It's completely an RPG
It's an RPG first
jade lake
o
gaunt hare
You'll be playing as a character called V (fully customizable, male or female)
and fully voiced.
Think mass effecr
effect
cinder vessel
My arguments against PS+ are:
-Sony's stupid crossplatform isolationism.
-Finicky service still.
-PS+ games are just an attempt at lock-in.
-It prevents you from playing with friends, essentially billing you for friends.
So yeah. Some of what ya said above.
cinder vessel
If your console is your primary means of gaming, I absolutely understand, but it still pisses me off because they're exploiting that.
cinder vessel
I know fuckall about it so can't say much
solar vapor
ps plus 
cinder vessel
Wait, don't you still get games with gold
cinder vessel
and don't you still have to pay for Xbox Live Gold for multiplayer
gaunt hare
Yup
cinder vessel
what even is this trash
gaunt hare
Animal crossing
jade lake
oh my god
cinder vessel
No I mean Game Pass
jade lake
what a sinner
gaunt hare
Hahaha I know
cinder vessel
what is this trash Game Pass
jade lake
oh nvm
gaunt hare
I keed
cinder vessel
Make multiplayer free and just make people pay for Game Pass you fuckers
iron inlet
Game pass is fucking garbage
It's legit like
"Here's what PS+ , EA Access, etc offers. Except we're making you pay £40/month for Xbox Live Gold, AND an extra £8/month for the Game pass"
The very best I can give them is that Game Pass has actually new games on it, whereas PS+, tends to have older games
cinder vessel
Like, merge games with gold and game pass and make that your sub thing. Then add discounts to the side of that for the Xbox Store. Boom. There's your continued revenue stream
iron inlet
🙏
gaunt hare
But then they would make less money
iron inlet
Xbox Live Gold and PS+ are overpriced anyway
gaunt hare
PlayStation is PS now
iron inlet
I mean hell, £40 a year just to play online?
iron inlet
PS Now is not equivalent to Game pass though
gaunt hare
year
cinder vessel
This is what I wish PS+ would be. Discounts, games monthly, and a stable library (so no switching games out of it) but you only get the games added if you're subbed at the time.
gaunt hare
Oh, I thought it was similar
iron inlet
PS Now is more like Xbox One Enhanced
except you stream the games
instead of just having them be updated
and they're not enhanced
iron inlet
It's actually just backwards compatibility but instead it'a a streaming service
iron inlet
and it's fucking piss poor
gaunt hare
propaganda
iron inlet
I tried to play Shadow of the Colossus on PS Now
and the latency was just fucking apalling
gaunt hare
Oh no guys some scary stuff is happening
I hope there's a military to take matters into its own hands
God Bless the Military Industrial Complex 🇺🇸
Hahaha
They are literally showing CIA torturer techniques and going "those sick sons of bitches..."
Fuck off.
"you're late"
"your imaginary watch is fast"
I don't know if I can do this.
iron inlet
I wish people would stop calling "Captain Spirit" Life is Strange 2
It's not life is strange 2 gdi, that's like saying Captain America was Iron man 2 🙃
primal inlet
they've already had one spinoff game, is why people are calling it LiS2
cinder vessel
🤔 Wait they didn't already do Life is Strange 2?
I must be confusing it with the prequel
primal inlet
Yeah, Before the Storm
That one was far more Life-is-Strangey than Captain Spirit it looks like
inland grail
hey did you see the new gameplay for starlink ?
winter yew
you mean amiibofied no man's sky
iron inlet
I'm still not sure how I feel about Pokemon Let's Go!
iron inlet
I like almost everything about it
jade lake
it feels fake
iron inlet
the only thing I dislike is there's no wild pokemon battles
You can only catch pokemon now.
jade lake
the catching mechanic is so ehhh
iron inlet
Luckily you don't have to use motion controls to catch but still
I'm fine with the PoGo catching mechanic
but I'd rather be able to fight pokemon still
jade lake
yeah
patent grove
iron inlet
Oh I can see me parts, nice
primal inlet
why
limber harness
I mean Reddit is trying to copy discord too
primal inlet
Competition is good, it's literally Discord's features
limber harness
And Discord just copied Slack.
jade lake
whatever they're gonna do, discord will do better lol
limber harness
What about steam integration :>
primal inlet
And I'm actually a bit more inclined to trust Steam because they're already printing money, they don't need Nitro or anything more...underhanded
I know that video a while ago about "Discord selling your data!" was mostly clickbait, but it does raise the question of "what's their business model anyway"
limber harness
Every silicon valley tech company.
jade lake
^^^
limber harness
Take massive losses
They make money because investors think they will become profitable one day.
Nitro probably does a good bit, but I'd be very surprised if Discord's own cash flow sans investors is not negative
Also let's be honest. The price point for Nitro probably pays for like a hundred free users.
And every single company to exist abuses data as much as possible
brisk merlin
ehhh
gilded canopy
Kinda my style
gilded canopy
Yeah it’s like the music you hear in the best dramatic movies out there
Thriller
I’m probably going to buy the game
For the style only
Already
jade lake
you should play other kojima games
gilded canopy
Yes someone else told me that too, I’ll look into it
craggy belfry
Howd the nintendo conference go
cinder vessel
MGS1 & then MGS2 are all you really need, MGS3 if you want a fun little romp (not fanfic, given it is canon)
MGS4 is fanservice
craggy belfry
Its the video game embodiment of fan service?
gilded canopy
Alright alright thank
cinder vessel
It's fanservice for MGS series veterans
A sendoff to the series, really
MGS5 is just kinda...Whatever. Konami ruined it.
It's enjoyable, but it didn't get a proper ending
gilded canopy
No pokemon diamond and pearl remake announcement 😩
cinder vessel
gilded canopy
The last thing I need from nintendo
cinder vessel
Made by devs behind Armored Core
craggy belfry
Meanwhile bethesda drops 5 game trailers and teases 2 huge new titles
Ok that sounds cool ngl
I dont have a switch though
cinder vessel
Neither do I v_v
craggy belfry
Im sure ill buy one in next 2 years
feral pawn
Here's my hacking simulator guys. Have fun hacking.
https://basicmaths.games/hacker/
unkempt trail
telnet telehack.com
mine
or just visit it via http
or
ssh via port 6668
¯_(ツ)_/¯
unkempt trail
Yours uses Unity, nothing of value is being lost.
limber harness
or you can just use ubuntu
feral pawn
😭
unkempt trail
Calm down, Gilfoyle.
feral pawn
but mine's an actual game
unkempt trail
So is mine. 😃
unkempt trail
Well, a game AND a pre-graphical internet archive, including super duper ascii based BASIC and zspec games.
like ZORK!
and usenet archives
we're still working on accurate BBS emulation, not much of that was archived, sadly, so we're trying to recreate some of it
feral pawn
mine's just a laptop with pretty green text that looks like a terminal 😭
feral pawn
(believe it or not, some testers had a hard time with that without the hint)
feral pawn
lol yeah
unkempt trail
crappy testers be crappyt
unkempt trail
Feel free to mess around on telehack
every one of the 25,000+ hosts is hackable, but you'll have to fight other actual users for root on those hosts
and telehack itself is hackable if you know how to search through and POKE some assembly. 😛
unkempt trail
Most of telehacks "hacks" are actual hacks used back in the early to mid-80s
feral pawn
I feel like I'm not smart enough for your game Anomaly
unkempt trail
we try to be as accurate as possible
feral pawn
smart/knowledgeable
unkempt trail
read telehack.txt
feral pawn
but.... I never learned how to read
unkempt trail
it gives you 50% of the stuff youll need to know to mess about
lol
I actually even made a guide..
unkempt trail
look
best guide ever.
@feral pawn
Believe it or not, I actually used a lorum ipsum generator to make that, because I'm super lazy, as I stated before.
lmao
bronze wind
ur a guide
unkempt trail
@feral pawn Try making an account, as a start lol
cinder vessel
Nioh 2 sounds like it should be good:
https://gematsu.com/2018/06/nioh-2-has-character-customization-protagonist-possesses-the-power-of-yokai
tough heron
hell yeah
gaunt hare
@cinder vessel https://youtu.be/MoufzJEpvps
cinder vessel
lol
gaunt hare
This is interesting because I remember this guy covering cyberpunk way back when
cinder vessel
that's dumb, it'll be fine in first person
BUT OMG NO I WANT THIRD PERSON BLERGH
🙄
gaunt hare
Its not dumb because in the early days CDPR said the game would be first and third
cinder vessel
i mean it still is?
gaunt hare
No, they claimed you could play the game in third person
cinder vessel
But also how many people reacting remember that, and how many are just going, "GRAARR"
gaunt hare
It's interesting in terms of gameplay design though because CDPR is claiming it's an artistic decision when it's pretty clearly a necessary cutback
cinder vessel
I mean either way, given how long ago that was, I don't know why anyone would take that as a lasting statement.
🤔 Artistic? Ookay, just say you wanted to make it first person, lol
gaunt hare
They said that and basically it seems pretty clear they had to make a choice
This guy's information seems to be legit, and he says the developers had to make a choice between first and third
I think they made the right choice
cinder vessel
It's kind of weird though, considering we have stuff like Bethesda's work indicating you could do both. I'd have to imagine it's them leaning into doing first person really well instead of trying to do both in rather mediocre ways
gaunt hare
Ya,I agree
cinder vessel
Because like...Elder Scrolls third person is really bland
gaunt hare
I consider Bethesda third person bad
cinder vessel
Only really good for screenshots
gaunt hare
Yeh
It's just kind of interesting from a game development standpoint because you can tell they are saying things a certain way because of Internet feedback
cinder vessel
Guess, but it is what ya do when ya wanna play the crowds
gaunt hare
Also it's just like politics. Theres decisions you have to make, moments where you have to decide what to say, and eventually you just have to take the leap
I'm sure CDPR discussed behind closed doors dozens and dozens of times whether they could keep third person, and then they discussed dozens and dozens of times how to respond to disappointed people.
I'm certainly going to keep an eye on this guy because he's predicted a couple things
Seems pretty certain he's talking to someone inside.
cinder vessel
Maybe. I'm content to just wait on the game to come out for gathering more info.
gaunt hare
Ya, I've thought about taking that approach.
I guess I just think it's fun to follow the speculation and leaks and developer interviews.
cinder vessel
I've also been in the trenches so to speak with a few games before release, and it's no longer interesting to me anymore
gaunt hare
I think video games are pretty unique in that most forms of entertainment don't have a lot of room for speculation.
cinder vessel
Like there's just no point to me to cling to every prerelease interview word, and bother imagining someone else's world instead of your own
gaunt hare
Movies slightly, but books and music are pretty much under wraps until it's out.
Ya. I guess I just think it's fun. I could totally understand being over that, though
cinder vessel
I'm also really tired of hearing the word iterate, lol
And the language we tend to speak about game descriptions and statements as "promises" just bums me out. They're not your friends, they're professionals, workers, and if they wanted to make a promise with someone, they'd do it through a contract, not some random interview.
gaunt hare
I totally agree with that.
cinder vessel
I don't really understand how that came to be how game elements were discussed. It's not exclusive to games either, to be fair, but it's such a weird way of taking the information.
It's like getting upset that a musician cut a track or two from an album. It sucks, but that's between them and the publisher, they didn't make any commitments to the audience, lol
gaunt hare
I was just thinking today how messed up game development can be because developers are walking on a minefield
If you say ANYTHING or tweet ANYTHING then it's suddenly a solemn promise
cinder vessel
I'm waiting for the devs that just start saying fuck you and no to audiences
Like in a sense DICE are doing that now with Battlefield
gaunt hare
That's the thing though, I think they are fired up. I think a lot of times they really believe they can accomplish things they say. It's kind of like what Sean Murray said in that infamous interview
"Ya I guess I could say no, but really their expectations fuel me. I get excited they are excited"
Or whatever
I know that came to bite him in the ass, in particular
but I don't think that's something that can be changed. I think creative people really are fueled by that and always will be
cinder vessel
Honestly the only dev that really pissed me off in terms of prerelease talks kinda stuff is Peter Molyneux, but that's more to do with how he fucked over his Kickstarter crowd. How the fuck do you squander the last little bit of goodwill you may have with folks like that.
gaunt hare
Ya, that was so messed up
Turning it into a mobile game
Abandoning the project before completion
cinder vessel
And claiming over and over that you're committed to the PC build only to fuck off from it
cinder vessel
Like people get pissed at Inafune with Mighty No. 9, but at least he delivered a finished game
gaunt hare
with past employees
True, but at the same time, he fucked off before the game was finished, didn't he?
cinder vessel
The quality might not have been the best with the artwork, but the gameplay itself is still mostly alright
gaunt hare
Or was that the final fantasy tactics Kickstarter guy?
cinder vessel
I think that was the FF Tactics guy
gaunt hare
I know that guy fucked off before the project was done
cinder vessel
But that was a whole other weird fucked up project
gaunt hare
How much did inafune have to do with mega Man though
cinder vessel
I think it's still in some strange hell situation
gaunt hare
I feel like he took advantage of playing a small part in mega Man to make a lot of money
and he definitely tried to make an animated series
and comic books and stuff
before Mighty 9 was released
I heard for the FF tactics game, a new studio took over
Like an inexperienced studio basically bought it and is doing some pretty honorable work to try and make the game
cinder vessel
He didn't really play a small part, but he had a weird role as artist, and later producer with some of the games
gaunt hare
I respect that new studio so far, based off of their messages
They are really trying.
They also told the Kickstarter backers straight up
cinder vessel
Oooh yeaah, I remember reading about that now.
gaunt hare
"we can't refund you, we don't have that money, but we are going to try and make the game and you'll get it"
If those dudes fail, it wasn't meant to be.
I'm pretty sure they are giving it a go.
I'd love to see another FF tactics type game
cinder vessel
Honestly looking over Inafune's history, it's kind of no wonder he fumbled about. He's more of an artist that stumbled into acting as a producer, lol
Have you tried the Fire Emblem games?
They're not exactly the same, but they're still tactical RPGs
gaunt hare
Ya, but never finished one
Closest I'm playing now is XCom 2
Xcom is hard man...
I clearly haven't played enough tactics games
I play a lot of chess but XCOM 2 is fucking me up
cinder vessel
what i kind of want
is a tactics game
for VR
where if you move pieces/characters the right ways
you can shake up the world itself somehow
winter yew
Hey guys : Razer Ornata or Razer Black Widow Ultimate?
winter yew
silent atlas
@winter yew try them first
winter yew
eh i might after i get paid, if they are still there lol
Need to see if I can get my xb1 controller working with Prey again
silent atlas
Peripherals needs to be touched not researched. You may find opinions lacking in validity. While you may have definable wants for a peripheral... the build and feeling you can only test in person
Razer also doesnt use the industry standard switches
winter yew
right
silent atlas
So their keyboards for example arent thr same as cherry mx for mechsnic etc
Imho spend lots on good keyboard . Mechsnical preferrably.. youll never need to replace it
Cherry mx is consistent between resellwrs.. the you only worry anout key config. Razer daskey and some others have their own switches
Re:mice just go and trt it at the shop
No mouse is the best
Wired is better response time. Wireless sometimes has lag
Razer has some high speed woreless i hsvent tried it yet
Anyways. Good luck
Finding good peripherals is likr dating
winter yew
Anyway, i'm trying to find a good way for cleaning fingerprints off a monitor ?
ripe venture
Get a microfiber cloth and just wipe it down. Depending on how bad it is, you may not even need a cleaning solution
rigid haven
Wipe them off with your fingers and spit
light cairn
Woop NO
rigid haven
Don't listen to him, he's no scientist
The enzymes in your saliva will dissolve the fingerprints and other shmutz, then you just need to wipe it down with a piece of tissue
winter yew
Ok i got a little further in PREY. A little more used to keyboard and mouse control now.
strong hazel
I hate and love prey
whenever I play it I am traumatized after and expect a mimic everywhere
I can deal with all sorts of horror stuff but not with jump scares
you getting the expansion? @winter yew
winter yew
Nah not yet
Wanna complete the story first lol
I actually had a few jump scares that weren’t scripted lol
I knew the fucker was in the room, I just kinda spaced it and he caught me with my pants down, so to speak
Then before I quit, I had to make my way to the arbotoreum and realized there was a shitload of them in the main lobby.
Tossed out a few lures and hauled ass only to be unable to run the elevator due to one of the voltaic guys that saw me go in so he hugged up on the closed door
Was causing the elevator to spaz and short out lol
I love the little details like that
meager panther
But you cant land on any of them and its limited to few planets
meager panther
I dont understand why they havent allowed dev mode in the game yet for nms
winter yew
because, ARG ?
meager panther
No i mean for the actual nms game
winter yew
Ohh
meager panther
Atleast make it give a eror log or something when the game bugs and crashes
That way it would be possible to figure out what went wrong
brisk merlin
I feel like they are lying
haveny heard a single person talk about it
or jump force
or whatever bge is
crisp pilot
beyond good and evil
meager panther
Bge is very big
crisp pilot
crimson hexagon is trustworthy usually
grave elbow
@gaunt hare its been 12 years since the last game
gaunt hare
Jump Force over Cyberpunk and all those other games demonstrates just how whack that list is.
"a sprawling cyberpunk city open world first person shooter by the makers of Witcher 3" ehhh
"Naruto fights Light" OMGERD!!
Damn kids get off my lawn...
meager panther
Apparently star field is set in future of the same universe of bethesda
gaunt hare
Which universe?
meager panther
Well the universe in which its(bethesdas) other games exist
gaunt hare
Fallout and Elder Scrolls aren't in the same canon are they??
That seems a bit lazy if so...
meager panther
They are supposedly same universe but different times
And also different parts of the universe
crisp pilot
that sounds like a bullshit crossover
meager panther
I mean its just rumors at this point but it makes sense 
crisp pilot
but hey ... you can crossover Final Fantasy and Disney and it works
so why would that not work
gaunt hare
Ya. That either doesn't make sense or they are so separate (like existing in different galaxies) it becomes pointless
That works because both are so ridiculous it doesn't matter.
You can do whatever you want and it's like sure.
Real life humans like Jack Sparrow talking to a cartoon duck talking to an anime person with a two ton sword? Sure whatever.
Disney is the devil.
crisp pilot
I swear this game haha its so convoluted and ridicolus ... there are like 10 versions of the main antagonist
But its fun to play I have to admit that ...
gaunt hare
I really enjoyed Kingdom Hearts back in the day.
At this point though I just find it really cynical. Like it's just regurgitating things. Also the way Disney is now it's like a big ugly monster that's eating everything.
There's a few really original ideas, really artistic stuff at E3.
crisp pilot
the story of the games was hard to understand in the first 2 instalments but then they decided to include time travel and put important backstory into a mobile game
gaunt hare
I think it's really sad if that's true. That all you have to do is get the lady from Frozen to run around on screen and everyone turns to that.
Instead of these new IPs or really gameplay focused games.
crisp pilot
I don't want to know what happens if they add Star Wars / Marvel to kingdom hearts
gaunt hare
I don't mean to sound like I don't want people to enjoy KH3 if they do. Like I said, I liked the games. I'll probably play this one if it's awesome and on sale.
But at least these other games are trying stuff. Going for something new. That game in Japan, Ghost of Tsushima, isn't even on that list.
That shit was beautiful. Like, even if the game sucks, that's making a real original go of it.
If kingdom hearts is awesome, what do we gain? It will be fun and Disney wins again.
Nothing original
crisp pilot
I don't know how I should feel rn
I hope the game will be fun , but its really not deserving the hype tbh
gaunt hare
What do you think was the most exciting game of E3?
I'm saying Cyberpunk.
I know all we saw was a pretty cgi trailer but fuck it, I'm still saying cyberpunk
gaunt hare
I so hope Beyond Good and Evil 2 is awesome.
Boy though, I thought that stage showing really sucked.
And was like, worrying
Lady, you absolutely did not "nail it"
crisp pilot
but also I have to confess that KH was most fun to watch 
I dont know why tho
thats sad
gaunt hare
Most fun to watch for me was Ghosts of Tsushima or Last of Us 2
Last of Us 2 looked fucking fun. I love the new dodge.
crisp pilot
ye ghost of tsushim looked amazing
gaunt hare
Days Gone looking good too.
crisp pilot
I don't like zombie games
gaunt hare
Wow, that really sucks for you because like 50 percent of games are zombies these days
crisp pilot
The only one I liked was Left 4 Dead
gaunt hare
They are definitely oversaturating
But I don't know, I thought they oversaturated space Marine. We are still getting tons of space Marine games
I guess things like zombies and space Marine just works well for video games. Easy to code zombies.
crisp pilot
ye there are like 4 or 5 upcoming triple A space marine games ... right?
gaunt hare
Anthem
Halo
Uhhh
I know there's more
Zombies we got last of us, resident evil 2, days gone
crisp pilot
overkills the waliking dead
gaunt hare
Japanese we got Ghosts, Sekuri, and Nioh 2
Add anime, and Those are the four types of games
Anime, Set in Japan, Zombies, Space Marine
Take your pick
limber portal
Cyberpunk and Last of Us.
cinder vessel
Kingdom Hearts still does some weird as hell narrative stuff that I find interesting, but none of it relies on Disney
I'm increasingly interested in Control though, as its setting sounds potentially strange
gaunt hare
Whoa someone here is playing Elex
cinder vessel
Supposedly it's okay if ya can roll with the rough edges
gaunt hare
I guess it's kind of like Andromeda for me though. Even if it's ok, I just don't have the time
There's still so many truly great games ihavent touched or haven't beaten
I'd try out Andromeda and Elex if it wasn't for that
cinder vessel
Yup, right enough there
Not worth the frustrations to see what they do right, more or less
gaunt hare
By the way everyone survival mode update is dropping for The Long Dark tomorrow
You should buy it if you like open ended survival. It also has an unfinished story mode that is.... ok.
But the survival is sweet and tomorrow we are going to get real time cooking.
So you can like put a stew on and do other things while it cooks over the fire
At least, I'm pretty sure that's what's going into the update. No patch notes yet, but they have been teasing the hell out of it.
Also, anyone play Vampyr?
solid kettle
i just want my episode three of the long dark yo
gaunt hare
I know right.
In three months it will have been a year.
I'm watching a talk by the creative lead of the long dark, Raphael Van Lierop, that he made at GDC
Seems like he's going to go into some of the troubles they've had.
He really took the lukewarm reception of Wintermute personally
gaunt hare
winter yew
so let me get this straight
even if you unlink your sony playstation account off of fortnite, you still can't play on Xbox or Switch?
winter yew
you mean 'carry your progress'
winter yew
no you can't play on xbox or switch with the account. they infect it and tell you no to anything other than sony
you can unlink playstation, but they still won't let go
rigid haven
Huh
winter yew
yep
it's locked even then. locked, of course, for anything other than themselves
da fuuuuuck
it's 2018 and every gaming platform is playing together except sony. you are leading in console sales. stop worrying about losing them
and it's cross saving that got hit, not cross play. this is just icing on the cake
sums up e3 pretty well https://youtu.be/FnRHJ_nhgjU
jade lake
a little odd him calling FO76 a type of metal gear survive game
it looks nowhere near that bad
like
cmon
cinder vessel
it's just the survive part and making dumb fun
solemn tundra
anybody still play tf2 lol
cinder vessel
damn, not in ages personally
I couldn't keep up with all the updates
And I was already never great
winter yew
That game is so boring
TF2
Just go play overwatch or some shit that actually looks like good. TF2 still running on the shit source engine
Well
It generates a lot of money
Has a lot of gamemodes
And is much more chill than overwatch
cinder vessel
TF2 was really great when it came out, now it's just...What even
winter yew
Game still shit
If you mess up in overwatch you have the whole team berating you. In tf2 no one gives a fuck if you mess up
I wouldn't say it's shit
cinder vessel
wow someone just has a vendetta against TF2 😮
winter yew
I mean overwatch and tf2 are the same
No difference
(yes I know there is a difference)
(but I'm saying that for fun)
primal inlet
they're both class-based shooters with heavily differentiated loadouts
cinder vessel
no takebacks, overwatch and tf2 are in the same universe
primal inlet
"""hero shooters"""
cinder vessel
hats are the ultimate goal
winter yew
In overwatch it's the fan service
Tf2 hats
Overwatch skins
Also mostly weebs play overwatch
cinder vessel
lol
winter yew
I said that as a joke
cinder vessel
i only pay attention to overwatch for the non-game content
winter yew
cinder vessel
because the comics, the short vids, all those are way better than bothering with the game
cinder vessel
and obviously the pr0n
primal inlet
I was going to make a joke about "enjoying overwatch for the plot" but that's - welp
winter yew
primal inlet
they should honestly just make a proper animated series at this point, I'd watch it
cinder vessel
and romance novels
winter yew
Or a movie
cinder vessel
I don't know enough of the characters to say much of anything, lol
Roadhog and Junkrat or whatever? lol
Those seem like an obvious pairing
winter yew
cinder vessel
i know next to nothing of this cast
naive oyster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_lmP8jYVLs this game looks sweet, kinda remind me of NMS
lavish obsidian
I never thought I'd ever see Coffee Stain Studios again
summer moat
It's looks like a NMS Styled Factorio in 3D
naive oyster
yeah they were probably been working on this game
tough heron
haha weren't they the guys behind goat simulator?
they've clearly moved on to bigger and better things
naive oyster
agreed
cinder vessel
It's kind of a bummer Sanctum didn't take off more
Those games had a cool look to them
I didn't really remember that Coffee Stain developed those until I checked that stuff again, but I knew they'd done something else
light cairn
3d Factorio is a-ok by me
cinder vessel
Same
Plus the look of the environments is nicer
Factorio has this rather drab look to it. Fitting for the industrial theming, I guess, but eh
meager panther
Games are supposed to be a escape from reality.. but people seem to like simulators of all sorts
I myself like flight simulators but thats where i stop
cinder vessel
A good simulator streamlines a bunch of tedium, imo
Still gets the analog feel emulated, but without as much of the real demands
meager panther
Flight simulators make sense (like xplane) since they are close to real ones without the dangers of crashing/ killing people... remaining simualtors are a bit heh (farming simulator is relatively ok)
limber harness
yep, run by SYFY/NBC Universal
might also just be promotional though
sorta like the Silicon Valley website
hollow river
That looks cool. Major similar-to-wt vibes.
carmine zodiac
I detect a copycat.
winter yew
Smash (dem buttons so you break your controllers and buy replacements to make us print money) Bros
hollow river
Revive the memories of your deceased loved ones? Not very common if I’m not wrong.
gaunt hare
Raphael van Lierop (@RaphLife) Tweeted:
I know you're all wrapped up in #E32018 news and good on ya, but I also know some of you are waiting for news about when our next update to #thelongdark Survival Mode is going to drop. Hint: Clear your Thursday. https://t.co/Jhdg33XSou https://twitter.com/RaphLife/status/1006662891930435585?s=17
gaunt hare
As did I.
gaunt hare
Not on the Reddit.
uncut bramble
Haha I don't get people who made posts to say I told you so
They must love negative karma lol
gaunt hare
Haha, I'm glad nms wasn't at E3 just because Hello Games wasn't there
I'd rather them get to announce their hard work rather than a publisher.
uncut bramble
Yeah I think that's fair!
jade lake
gaunt hare
I checked that guys post history for more Todd jokes and it led me to milliondollarextreme
JESUS
I'm glad that show was cancelled and Sam Hyde sucks.
light cairn
gaunt hare
iron inlet
Gonna play through the Black Ops 3 campaign
probably not worth it, but I got it for free so why the hell not
iron inlet
Oh shit I can customize my guy what
light cairn
well, Black Ops 3 does
iron inlet
last CoD I played was Advanced Warfare
and that was pretty decent ngl but I enjoy the futuristic thing
light cairn
there's some really slick levels in that campaign
iron inlet
Oh boy
realistic difficulty
yes please
Oh so the character creation was "Select 1 of 9 faces" lol
@light cairn My character smokes. Immersion ruined /s
light cairn
drat
iron inlet
Oh shit is this 60fps
nice
Realistic is fun holy shit
Luckily the respawn is fast haha
You can get shot through the floor though loool
light cairn
brisk merlin
woop shut
iron inlet
Okay I'm already stuck and 50% sure the game broke
"Rendevous at Hotel Tango" game shows marker , so I go to the marker, nothing happens, then a ship spawns an instakills me
i've now been hiding from the ship for like 4 minutes and nothing has happened
me and my brother had same problem and starting from checkpoint it will do same you have to restart whole mission sadly
you're fucking joking 🙃
Games been out a year and they never fixed this? Not that I'm surprised 😅
Okay good, had to save and quit and reload, saved me from redoing the whole thing.
Okay that fighting in pitch black segment was awesome though
even if it was only one room
Holy shit robots okay then
HOLY SHIT my HANDS
2054? Where are my Detroit: Become Human androids?
light cairn
heh
cinder vessel
I think those are in Infinite Warfare
Except they're better because they're just mini-mecha
Control is sounding better and better the more I read about it:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/14/control-remedy-entertainment-e3-impressions-video/
light cairn
i totally forgot they did Alan Wake
cinder vessel
o_O Which game did you remember them for?
light cairn
¯_(ツ)_/¯
brisk merlin
quantum break
cinder vessel
lol, I just like to imagine Skip had this vague idea of, "Oh, uh...They make...Some game or other"
Whoooa, any of you see this before?
https://paperash.itch.io/darktrain
silent atlas
anyone play ark?
its on sale atm
tempted to buy it
i would be playing it single player though
winter lily
ark is kinda fun. Very time consuming though. And a huge commitment to play online
solar vapor
it has a redwood forest
winter lily
And you can build bases in the trees
silent atlas
is it a viable game to play offline or coop with few people?
winter yew
Has the 505 games e3 thing passed already
brisk merlin
@silent atlas ark takes up over 100GB of storage
uncut bramble
Dav I found it harder playing offline. Less exciting. But definitely doable. Bit harder maybe.
Overeptic - they hand a stand. I don’t believe they were showcasing. But i do think e3 is over?
brisk merlin
Btw dav
gaunt hare
@silent atlas if you want a game like ark but singleplayer, subnautica or the long dark might be good options.
brisk merlin
It is filled with Chinese people who are part of one huge clan and they will ruin the game for you
gaunt hare
Ark is pretty sketchy without the fun factor of multiplayer.
Like it's a lot easier to overlook all the broken, unfinished feature creep if you're with your pals.
Or the Forest
brisk merlin
It's Grindy AF
silent atlas
i dont wanna play online
cinder vessel
Then probably best to go with one of the other games Okapi suggested
I've not really read of anyone enjoying Ark solo
cinder vessel
Heh, you all read about the Battlefield subreddit imploding?
gaunt hare
I did.
I saw when the post went up.
Honestly, good on the mods.
I was about to unsubscribe
cinder vessel
Yeah, I hadn't even thought to look over there
gaunt hare
just because it was so fucking tedious and annoying
cinder vessel
I imagine it was miserable
cinder vessel
we r gud at discuss
gaunt hare
A lot of high horse
They even made a meme about it
It's going to be like the black soldier on the cover
of 1
Game will come out and no one will give a shit
cinder vessel
Oh wait, did that rile people up at the time?
cinder vessel
Huh. Weeeirdddd
gaunt hare
Same with Kingdom Come Deliverance
Once the two sides get bored of their cause, they move on
cinder vessel
Just imagining if it was a black woman on the next Battlefield set during some other period where they're like, "NO" would literally delete the subreddit
gaunt hare
and all that's left is the game. Just a game. Not that big of a deal.
My fingers are crossed for a transsexual
cinder vessel
The interesting part of that is that you wouldn't even know until some random line of dialog
gaunt hare
And the developers would tell you.
Because those dudes are taking a stand
That's part of the controversy
cinder vessel
Although with this and the last cover, they just kinda put the cover up, didn't they?
silent atlas
well its been decided for me. i can't buy games ons team anymore haha. i'm in the US now but my bank accounts are in Canada so steam won't let me buy anything
FML
submitted a ticket
gaunt hare
Haha, that sucks.
cinder vessel
Oof, that's a pain
silent atlas
i literally have 1000s of steam games
cinder vessel
o_O
gaunt hare
Master Race
silent atlas
they will have to fire someone to make up fro the loss of revenue
cinder vessel
when valve goes public the number of games you have should net you some stock options, lol
gaunt hare
Seems like most steam players have hundreds and hundreds of games
Cause steam and various sites and whatnot are like "YOU WANT FOUR COPIES OF LEFT FOR DEAD FOR A NICKEL??"
cinder vessel
I mean I have a bunch but that's 100% thanks to Steam sales and Humble Bundles
gaunt hare
Envious.
cinder vessel
I used to do similar with console, but with used games and sales
Then I learned used games sales don't really go back to devs and got a bit sad
silent atlas
cinder vessel
That said, big publishers? I'll grab their games used 😛
silent atlas
is how i have so many games
i just set it up to filter by games i dont have and buy everything under 5 cents per game
cinder vessel
wh...why.
silent atlas
recently just made 500 bucks from selling the cards i got from idlemaster.exe ;p
pays for itself
marble perch
silent atlas
you get lots of booster packs
cinder vessel
That is easily the most bizarre thing I've read about
silent atlas
i know right
there is a critical mass point
once you have 2k+ games
if all are fully idled to 5+ hours
you can get LOTS of booster packs
i get one evryday uusally
cinder vessel
just...the whole gaming of it like that
are you sure steam isn't your most played game
silent atlas
😄
i can only imagine
the guy that has a level 5000 steam account
he must get like 200 booster packs a day
cinder vessel
oh fuck that sounds awful
silent atlas
queueing up the selling is the awful part haha
ich ecked into some of their accounts
most of them haven't idled a single game
and have only like2-3 games that are fully idled
out of 10s of 1000s of games
so they are just buying the games AND cards
for steam levels
so not only are they not even gaming tghe system but wtf haha
agile raven
... I question the mental state of these people...
silent atlas
they run some kind of gaming clubs etc
winter yew
🤔
iPhone SE not listed in the compatibility list,yet it’s got the same specs as the 5th gen iPad
gaunt hare
Haha goddamn Ark
Not a fan of those developers.
Think it's a cool game, but in my opinion they screw their community pretty hard.
Ok I'm done posting stuff about the long dark now, I swear.
But holy shiiiit dude!
Immersive cooking!
New location!
This new location being completely nature, no man made structures at all!
gaunt hare
Ark is really only worth experiencing with multiplayer, imo
Ya it's jank, but the emergent gameplay can be crazy.
hollow river
TL;DR JANK is a feature not a bug.
gaunt hare
Haha no
I wasn't saying that jank makes the game more fun with people (though it definitely makes for fun sometimes)
just that you can look past the jank if there's social interaction, either with strangers or with your friends
If you're playing solo, it's like why am I playing this broken ass game?
The social capability of Ark and the room it gives for people's personalities/role-playing to shine is what makes it fun.
cinder vessel
nah
gaunt hare
@cinder vessel elaborate?
winter yew
Eh I deleted it off my phone
I’d rather play a game like that on pc
I can play Minecraft just fine on my phone however
cinder vessel
I'm just bein' dumb
And obnoxious about multiplayer
It's herding cats but without the cute and the fluff
winter yew
Lol
gaunt hare
You're the least multiplayer person ever
Ark allows for betrayal
I think betrayal is one of the most interesting ideas in multiplayer gaming that hasn't been explored yet but will be explored over the next few years (it's already started, and hell, we may see it in NMS after NEXT)
In Ark you can work with a group of people but if that person or those people are plotting against you, they can choose to take you out and take your stuff
so you have to make decisions based on your voice and in game communications with people
"how much do I trust this guy?"
If someone gives you a gift, do they have an ulterior motive?
It gets double interesting once a clan is pondering those same questions about another clan.
I'm really looking forward to how gaming allows us to play with and against each other in an open environment where a lot of questions have to be asked before you make a decision
"this guy has a high skill in something I need, is it worth betraying him?"
Maybe you're a nice guy and never betray
Maybe you're a shifty bastard like Patches
I just think there's a lot of interesting situations that can arise when there's a positive AND a negative to attacking a friend
Where loyalties can be for real life friends or for a clan you've interacted a long time
And where betrayal or taking advantage of someone can go both ways. Maybe it backfires, maybe it benefits you.
For all the great work people do on AI systems, nothing is quite as interesting as real people communicating and playing off of each other, both in terms of gameplay and in terms of personality.
cinder vessel
That just sounds like griefing
gaunt hare
It's not.
Griefing implies that the griefer has nothing to lose.
Griefing is just making life difficult for a new player when the experienced player has all the power
(which will always happen in multiplayer games no matter what)
What I'm talking about specifically is moments where you're weight decisions that could benefit or harm you based on how you interact with another person.
For instance, approaching a high level player as a new player. I did that in Ark once, approaching a scary looking fort, all set up
The guy ended up being a sweetheart who gave me a bunch of gear, set me up with a raft, and bid me farewell as I kept exploring.
That moment of watching him from afar and making the decision wether or not to approach him, weighing the two options of
He could take advantage of my new player status and fuck me up
OR
Maybe he's nice and will help me out
was a moment that I think is unique to the interactive, multiplayer space of video gaming. This is seen in a lot of classic table top board games
cinder vessel
I mean I take griefing as someone just repeatedly being a dick and impeding your progress
gaunt hare
And I hope video games take more advantage of it as time goes on.
cinder vessel
And betrayal/people breaking your shit may as well be that imo
cinder vessel
To me it's like player invasions in a Souls game. Last fucking thing I want in a game where it already takes awhile to get what you're doing done. 🤷
gaunt hare
Ya, and thats where we differ I guess because to me that's one of my favorite part of souls games
Especially around dark souls 3 where most of us were pretty experienced
Or dark souls 2
I'm really looking forward to
cinder vessel
It just baffles me, it's like salt in a wound. who would want this.
gaunt hare
Sekuri?
cinder vessel
Sekiro
gaunt hare
Sekiro
cinder vessel
I think it's not supposed to have multiplayer tho?
gaunt hare
I'm really looking forward to no multiplayer
Ya, I mean im looking forward to the change
I've played five games worth of mixing multiplayer and of classic souls combat
I was hoping that this game would take some risks and not be the same thing
and it definitely looks like they are doing that
Going to be interesting though.
Ghost of whatever, Sekiro, and Nioh 2 coming out at the same time
cinder vessel
Love the prosthetic weirdness, and the quicker movement
Like apparently the prosthetic has some different tricks to it? Haven't read articles on it too closely
gaunt hare
It's going to be like the trick weapons in bloodborne
but also play a little more of a
like
integral part
Like to make the combat really shine you have to use your arm
When it comes to verticality
It's kind of hard to understand when he describes it.
It's original, fairly.
cinder vessel
It reminds me of Blood Will Tell, but that's just because whoa Asian setting, yo Mr. Prosthetic Guy
Except less goofy
gaunt hare
Basically the new combat system is going to focus around breaking the other person's stance to go for the Kill Strike
(kind of like Nioh, but more extreme)
Like, that's going to replace the life bar
Instead of an HP bar necessarily, it's going to be guys trying to break down the others defences in a combination of attack and defense
until one of them is left open for the kill
It's interesting. Risky.
Can't really know until we can really watch some get into the gameplay.
cinder vessel
Nioh 2 has me sold simply on letting you make your character
But yeah, if Sekiro is a little more of an active, tactical play learning from Bloodborne, that'll be wicked
gaunt hare
Also their pitch was invigorating. They were like "we know what we are doing now. Kid gloves off. Balls to the wall"
They are very confident.
And after Nioh, I'm inclined to believe them when they say they are really going to define their gameplay ideas with this.
They literally said the first Nioh was them figuring things out, and now they are going to use what they have learned and make a truly great game.
I still own Nioh but I fucking suck at it.
cinder vessel
Yeah, exactly. And they'll be doing another demo run like the first one to polish some of the rough edges
gaunt hare
I think my dark souls obsession is fucking me
Nioh is too hard. It feels like my souls experience works against me. I didn't even think to use the blocking a lot until my third attempt at a playthrough
just from my muscle memory of being really roll focused in souls
Dodging gets you smashed in Nioh
cinder vessel
Aaaah, yeah, taking time to adjust can be a pain
gaunt hare
I'll try again eventually, but it's just whooping me
cinder vessel
I sort of take this habit of trying to go into games like I've not played others before
At least for controls
gaunt hare
What do you mean
cinder vessel
So like even though generally many FPS games have a standard control scheme now, I still go and review the controls/read manuals (if there, anymore)
Or just pay close attention to the tutorial prompts, but that's iffy as hell with some games
Since they sometimes just appear then disappear super quick and it's like, what the fuck game
gaunt hare
Haha
cinder vessel
I honestly miss when games came with manuals
gaunt hare
Oh me too
cinder vessel
Because it'd typically answer your basic questions upfront
gaunt hare
I remember the civilation manuals
Civilization 2-4
I used to read their thick book manuals over and over
cinder vessel
So like I used to study those like a madperson, and now I just kind of try shit
Forget the other games, just try the dumb shit
gaunt hare
Oh my goodness, I haven't thought about this in years. When Pokemon Crystal was out, I couldn't afford the game, I must have been like.... 10 years old? Something. At Blockbuster video they had a copy of the strategy guide. I saved up coins in a piggy bank type thing (it was a giant plastic Crayola crayon)
The guide cost 20 dollars
I literally came up to the counter and dumped 20 dollars worth of change
Onto the counter
And the dude was so nice, he counted out the entire pile of coins
meager panther
And then the whole shop stood up and clapped
cinder vessel
And then they were like, "No" lol
gaunt hare
Gave me the guide
And I read that guide over and over and eventually got the actual fucking game
meager panther
Good thing we have those stuff on the internent these days
cinder vessel
Man I used to wrap pennies and fucking thank goodness they started introducing machines to process change into paper currency
cinder vessel
Wrapping pennies was a fucking tedious thing
meager panther
But it was a nice feeling buying games with the small booklet with the guide and the whole box set
gaunt hare
Oh shit, I also remember going to buy a GameCube with my saved up money (my moms was willing to front 20 bucks cause I was excited)
meager panther
I still have about 10 or so ubisoft and sega games boxes with those booklets
gaunt hare
and the dude at the store was like "I can't tell you why, but you should come back in like five days"
I was so bummed, but I left anyway
meager panther
But uplay wont allow me to play those games because its tied to my old pc
gaunt hare
Turns out they were releasing a four pack of Zelda games with every gamecube
cinder vessel
I kind of wish I had the cash to collect some guides. Guides have gotten even better these days.
gaunt hare
I played Ocarina of Time for the first time because that dude told me to come back a week later.
cinder vessel
Ooh damn, that's what that's from? I picked that up used
gaunt hare
Bless those two employees
Also I didn't know you needed a memory card, and my parents didn't want to buy it, so I played the beginning of ocarina of Time like 10 times
cinder vessel
I wasn't able to afford a GameCube until way after we were headed into the later PS2 days, heading into PS3 days
limber harness
DID SOMEONE SAY MELEE
gaunt hare
Like Id play to the deku tree, turn it off (I was worried it would ruin my GameCube) and then replay it, repeat
cinder vessel
Which was such a bummer, since there were a ton of good games for GameCube too
gaunt hare
Over and over
I remember when Resident Evil 4 was exclusive to the gamecube
That didn't fucking last
meager panther
I remember playing mario kart on the game boy....it was amazing
gaunt hare
Our best gaming years are behind us, boys.
meager panther
Yeah
cinder vessel
Pffft not in the fuckin' least
We still gettin' that good noise
The World Ends With You on the Switch
Sable upcoming
Outer Wilds weird noise
Astroneer at the end of the year
Dreams whenever the hell that happens
Sekiro's comin' up
Daemon x Machina the comeback of Armored Core with its own vibes
meager panther
Astroneer is coming to switch? 
cinder vessel
lol
meager panther
Oh yeah
gaunt hare
I firmly believe games are better than ever
but damn, I don't know if anything will ever top playing ocarina of Time at 11 years old or whatever
Tis life
meager panther
But playing games as adults is not that fun
Hence why games are fun when we are children
gaunt hare
Not unless you get fucked up, and even then it's not as good
cinder vessel
Yo just rewind your mind
rigid haven
Yo just never grow up
cinder vessel
Yo
gaunt hare
Did you guys have a guy in your school visit for assembly that did yoyos?
cinder vessel
what's a school
meager panther
Well who said i grew up... people still ask me why i act like a child 
cinder vessel
Ferb and Phineas