It'd probably be awesome
#other-games
winter yew
It’s got a pretty nice track editor so the steam workshop has a shitload of custom tracks in it like this one https://youtu.be/N4RYuxFWufI and the devs will look at them and release ‘packs’ of their favorite ones every once in awhile.
bleak otter
That's a pretty cool game that incorporates the beat into it.
winter yew
Yeah I love Aaero
bleak otter
It is fun. I might have to look at Distance, but it feels kinda similar to other games I already have. Not sure how many of those one person needs.
bleak otter
I should play Redout some more. It's a good game that I just haven't put much time into.
winter yew
It reminds me too much of Trackmania in the aspect that you’re mostly chasing times
I only open it once in awhile when a new update comes out. It’s supposed to be coming to PS4 eventually
And Redout is gorgeous
bleak otter
It has VR support right? I don't have VR though.
winter yew
You should get Rez Infinite if you like Aaero
bleak otter
I played the original Rez.
winter yew
I am so excited for it too
I’ve been playing a bit more on my vita to freshen up my skills lol
bleak otter
I wish the remaster had the Vita soundtrack too. I'd definitely buy that as DLC if they offer it.
winter yew
I’m sad they never allowed Lumines 1&2 to be released for download
And I’m not about to hack my vita to get them
Did you ever play Lumines Supernova? It had some nice music too
Found a playlist
My first Sony Ericsson phone back in 2007-2008 had a Mobile Lumines game too. XD
Was easy to get lost in
I have a phone that I can’t use as a phone nowadays that can still play it but I need to find a download of the .jar file again.
Worked pretty well as a mobile game that you played with your phones buttons
winter yew
Ohhh man
You missed out on SHININ
But I’m sure you’re familiar with that by now
Ahh shit I forgot about the Lumines port on ps2
I’ve also got that lmao
bleak otter
I've seen the song name a lot
winter yew
https://youtu.be/-d3Je8JBbXo first skin in the ps2 port
Lmao whoever played on that video suuuuucks
bleak otter
So the PS2 port is the PSP game?
winter yew
I believe so
It was a port of Lumines 1 and had some skins from Lumines 2
The ps2 had a few psp ports in its final days
I have the ps2 ports of Twisted Metal Head On and Ratchet and Clank Size Matters both which were originally psp games
bleak otter
That's interesting.
The PSP did pretty well back in the day.
But I guess an opportunity to rerelease on another platform is still worth doing.
iron inlet
I'm a fucking dick hair from 335 on my Warlock on D2
I didn't even realise I wasn't 335
I just need a max power level bond 🙃
light cairn
o
light cairn
if only a good game was still a thing
light cairn
at least someone enjoys it
light cairn
that's...subjective
iron inlet
I honestly disagree
light cairn
the core issue with the game for me is loot. it's all poop.
light cairn
if mods actually did something it might be kinda better, but once you find one weapon you like there's never any reason to switch because they'll all be the same
also i hate the current weapon slot system
iron inlet
Skip I have good news for you
In September (The 2.0 release) They're changing the weapon slot system (from the way they've worded the Q&A answer, back to Primary Special Heavy)
We're getting a complete rework of how mods work
light cairn
also eververse completely destroyed the economy
iron inlet
and we're getting random rolls back
How so?
Eververse only influences itself
oh well vanguard and crucible tokens too I guess
but hardly
light cairn
it really doesn't. any drops you'd have gotten in d1 for strikes and stuff like ghosts and sparrows got smashed into random loot crates.
iron inlet
Ahh see I've got some more good news for you 😉
light cairn
even if they do make all those changes, that's still a year and another $60 later
iron inlet
There's now some sparrows and ghosts and even weapons that can ONLY be obtained from their corresponding Nightfall Strikes
light cairn
yeah but they still suck
iron inlet
DFA is actually probably the best weapon for crucible rn
in the Kinetic slot
it drops from the tree of probabilities Nightfall exclusively
AND LOOK AT THIS
look how good this sparrow is
light cairn
i really don't care for crucible that much, not with the current ttk
light cairn
i didn't feel it at all then
iron inlet
Yeah it's faster now we do more precision damage
light cairn
that's still not an overall decrease though
iron inlet
I mean it kinda is
since we do more headshot damage and the majority of time you're hitting a headshot
and if you're not you weren't getting good TTK even in d1
light cairn
the whole game just legit feels like a huge downgrade from d1 to me, and waiting an entire year to bring it back up to par with d1 is really stupid
light cairn
i've seen it
iron inlet
and that's just barebones past may
yeah they're fixing so much!
It's gonna be brilliant
I mean, I'm enjoying it as it is now lol
so if they make it even better I'm gonna be happy
light cairn
i'll believe it when i see it
but overall it's probably one of my biggest disappointments ever
brisk merlin
destinut
iron inlet
but I was absolutely disappointed
I wanted from D2 what most people wanted, which was Destiny but better and twice the size
jade lake
if NMS had a similar style to combat and multiplayer as destiny. hooo boy would that be awesome
iron inlet
what we got is Destiny but worse and similar size
brisk merlin
mhm
light cairn
there's literally only three new thing on that roadmap compared to d1, and it's masterworks, multi-emote, and nightfall challenge cards
everything else is just bringing it back to up to d1
iron inlet
Crucible quitter penalties
light cairn
neither of those change gameplay
jade lake
grinded the unholy fuck out of D1 on my ps3
iron inlet
Yknow I didnt even see we were getting bounties back
iron inlet
that's better thanks Kevvy
brisk merlin
uwu
iron inlet
I just like,
I know it sucks
I know I'm a fanboy
but I fucking love it
and I'm hyped for DLC2
I really wasn't like a month ago
brisk merlin
THEY CANT RUIN RASPUTIN
brisk merlin
IF THEY RUIN RASPUTIN THEN I AM GOING TO WRITE AN A N G E R Y LETTER
primal inlet
rasputin is a wacky exo
light cairn
unless they had a different writer
iron inlet
My favourite thing was seeing people saying "if they put Rasputin into an exo body I'll riot that's against the lore and will ruin him"
except that was THE ORIGINAL FUCKING PLOT
AH
AHAHAHAHAGHGHGHGHGHG
brisk merlin
IF rasputin is an exo i'll be ok
iron inlet
I mean he's a warmind lel
brisk merlin
original destiny story
primal inlet
yes but what if he's a wacky exo
brisk merlin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
iron inlet
We already have enough handsome funny wacky exos
light cairn
he's going to be a sassy russian who says cyka blat every sentence and we'll meet him once then he'll turn back into a computer
brisk merlin
me
iron inlet
Nathan Fillion is enough wacky exo for me
iron inlet
We met Osiris and he just went "Okay thanks bye"
brisk merlin
and plays the USSR song
primal inlet
Nathan Fillion does Cayde well regardless, but the entire game is also now Cayde without any seriousness
brisk merlin
ye
iron inlet
he was like "Cool thanks you helped. Now I'm going seeya"
light cairn
everyone must be the funny man because people like the funny guy in d1
brisk merlin
ye
iron inlet
Cayde needs to be funny
He's had a traumatic life
The funny is in his character for good reason imo
light cairn
yeah, but he got super stupid inbetween d1 and d2
primal inlet
Or worse lol brother Vance is a man child who worships Osiris like a fanboy
brisk merlin
ye
primal inlet
funnee
brisk merlin
funny xdd
iron inlet
Because that's how he deals with Trauma skippp
brisk merlin
mhm
iron inlet
and leave his wife and son forever
brisk merlin
and he watched the darkness kill people
light cairn
i'm talking about the change from d1 to d2
iron inlet
Humour covers Trauma he's a well written character they just need to EXPLAIN his story
brisk merlin
it held his eyes open while it r u i n e d the world
iron inlet
Yeah his home got destroyed boi
light cairn
almost everything he says in d2 is a joke compared to his actually somber stuff in d1
brisk merlin
his story is explained in the crappy collectables
iron inlet
Zavala went and hid on a fucking moon next to jupiter he's way more extra
Sorry Saturn
not Jupiter
Actually no
Cayde was still more extra
he ran away to an asteroid that only comes into our solar system occasionally to steal a vex telporter
brisk merlin
ye
iron inlet
He could've just taken a quick jaunt to Venus
way easier
but I guess the Red Legion were over there 🤔
Oh maybe he tried
brisk merlin
and maybe if he went to venus then we could of gotten the VOG 
iron inlet
because he must have tried to go to Mars
iron inlet
because he says "If you thought the Red Legion were bad here on Earth? Ha, you haven't seen what they're doing on Mars."
Nah the prince is on Earth boi
he controls the Fallen now
brisk merlin
he dont have to be on e r f
iron inlet
Remember? He took control from the Kell of Kings
primal inlet
isn't it d1 canon that Mars is Red Legion colonized anyway
light cairn
iron inlet
Nah
brisk merlin
we dont actually know if he did nyx
primal inlet
skip nopoopoo
light cairn
there u go
iron inlet
THE GRIMOIRE IMPLIES IT 
iron inlet
You can still get it lel
primal inlet
poof
iron inlet
Ishtar Collective boi
light cairn
Bungie literally wiped all of it off their site
light cairn
just like d1 is better than d2 😉
brisk merlin
ye
iron inlet
I mean I agree
light cairn
maybe if they give the comet for free 👀
primal inlet
Activision? Free? Never
iron inlet
They were more alike than he cared to admit.
When the creature’s anger had burnt itself out, he raised his head to look at it. He did not need to speak.
One kell rises, and another bends its knee.
And the prince felt the little hum of starlight ripple through him. The one that let him know she would be pleased with what he had done. ```Eververse was Bungie's idea
iron inlet
Uldren owns the Fallen now
bleak otter
Hot take: D1 and D2 refer to the Diablo series, not some online shooter.
brisk merlin
shut
light cairn
get outta here with your retro games old man
bleak otter
Unless you're referring to D and D2 on the PS1
light cairn
d3 is diablo still yes
iron inlet
but the ones before D3 don't even matter lol
brisk merlin
and I was seeing if you would be one of those people who didnt know the lore but acted like they did lmao
light cairn
🥜
light cairn
iron inlet
You gotta get rid of that background skipper
light cairn
i didn't make it
iron inlet
Here you go @light cairn
light cairn
gross
cinder vessel
Diablo 3 was a mistake
Diablo 1 & 2 were okay for their time but paved the way to loot hell
light cairn
well that's what d2 needs
cinder vessel
Loot in itself being okay, but when you literally make it the primary perpetual loop it gets really stupid
light cairn
it's cause you don't like grinding
white vale
.. but some people get sooo addicted to loot loops
cinder vessel
Same as ever increasing levels, it just gets really dumb
bleak otter
Agreed.
cinder vessel
Yeah because grinding is usually attached to incremental stat increases with next to no interesting mechanics
I don't like watching 4 go to 5 after seeing 1,099 switch to the magical 1,100 or some such needed to level up
iron inlet
Grinding is great
if there's an end to it
Grinding to get better so you can grind more efficiently to get better so you can grind mor efficiently so you can get better etc etc
cinder vessel
But there never will be, that's the entire miserable catch
iron inlet
that's where I see the pointlessness in it
light cairn
the concept in diablo is at least to replay the story with it getting increasingly harder each time
cinder vessel
Why would they ever want you to leave?
Especially if they can squeeze money out of you somehow
iron inlet
True
but Blizzard specialises in that lol
actually Activison as a whole
and they own Blizzard, and Bungie 🙃
cinder vessel
Whether it be continued sales because, "Look at our enduring player populations and engagement!" or simply microtransactions
iron inlet
I got into Diablo 3 just as the Necromancer came out
cinder vessel
See former though
light cairn
so you're saying you don't want people to play the games they like? 
cinder vessel
They win either way if you continue playing because nobody wants to play an online experience without others
cinder vessel
I'm saying that I really hate game design that exploits addictive tendencies
iron inlet
That's why microtransactions should be illegalll
cinder vessel
Which loot loops tend to tie into
light cairn
i mean i get that for games with lots of mtx and stuff, but what's the issue with it for diablo?
iron inlet
and I vowed never to spend money on Silver in D2
I've spent like £50 but I try my best not to
cinder vessel
Like I said, Diablo 1 & 2 were okay because I don't think they realized it exactly at the time, but by 3? They knew what they were toying with
white vale
proof : the RMAH
cinder vessel
The biggest problem is that they paved the way for a bunch of bad loot based mechanics imo
bleak otter
Stay a while... and listen
jade lake
anyone have the pubg test server\
brisk merlin
Dosent everyone who owns pubg?
light cairn
you needed to get a code i think, which everyone could acquire but you don't just have it
jade lake
yea
teal trench
Tfw you are finally able to login after 20min+ of being stuck on "loading terrain"... only to be denied again: https://i.imgur.com/j2PTCAd.gifv
^ (About 58 seconds long.)
tough heron
dammit quav i tried to wipe that blemish off my screen for like 2 seconds before i realised it was your cursor haha
royal mirage
Jesus, it is really tense trying to land in Elite Dangerous
cinder vessel
solid surfaces are the true end game boss of Elite: Dangerous
teal trench
@primal inlet, should I buy E:D?
If I only use a standard generic keyboard and mouse.
No hotkeys/macros.
No extra buttons.
primal inlet
Oh, I play it with a normal KB/M just fine, using default controls
teal trench
o.o
primal inlet
It's probably not the best way to play but it works
I think I actually remapped it so that it feels more like NMS flight too
teal trench
Well, it's only $13 right now, so why not...
Do I need a Humble Bundle account for this?
primal inlet
I don't think you need an HB account? It just emails you with a link to a page with the key on it
teal trench
@primal inlet https://i.imgur.com/KfB8lHW.png
The fun part is, it charged my card.
No email.
primal inlet
Crap, they didn't used to do that
teal trench
Still no email, and the charge hasn't been reverted.
Please don't tell me I just got screwed over. This was the first time I ever used that site.
primal inlet
Have you tried this tool: https://www.humblebundle.com/resender
I used all the wrong keywords before I found this
teal trench
Nope, like I said - this was the first time I ever used this site. Thank you, though: https://i.imgur.com/ZhsLKPJ.png
I didn't know that tool existed.
primal inlet
I didn't either, heh
primal inlet
...Well then
teal trench
Any chance that Humble Bundle was hijacked?
primal inlet
Probably not high, but I'm not an expert
lavish obsidian
You're an ARG EXPERT
teal trench
I guess I'll create an account with them and see if I can dig up any purchases with my email.
That face is so creepy... https://i.imgur.com/H5uMiDx.png
lavish obsidian
Is that supposed to be the Transistor?
teal trench
Idk
lavish obsidian
Or is it a random ass sword
teal trench
Okay, lol. Just dug it up in the inspect element thingy.
https://i.imgur.com/jJvbCP7.png
@primal inlet https://i.imgur.com/8tkgdl3.png
It claims I haven't bought anything, still.
....
@primal inlet So, I paid for it again, after logging in, and now it says this: https://i.imgur.com/hP8d7nH.png
I thought you said it would just send an email with a key...
.<
Okay, linked my steam account. Now let's see what it does, on the third try...
winter yew
Flannery please make sure you dispute the first charge with Humble, they can revert it if you didn’t receive anything
primal inlet
...^^^this
I hate when I have to say this, since it kinda faults everyone in the exchange, but something fouled up when you put in your email
primal inlet
alrighty then
lavish obsidian
Another happy landing
teal trench
I mean, the extra charge is still there, but it's not like it matters. https://i.imgur.com/bzPN3sQ.png
I basically paid full price for E:D, instead of half price.
Now let's see if it's worth it...
iron inlet
Don't pay for ED, you're meant to pay to fix that
lavish obsidian
Wowzers
rigid haven
Can't you set the FOV to be so high that you can see all four corners of the universe at once?
primal inlet
That's called a 360 degree FOV
teal trench
That was a 'thing', back in DOOM, wasn't it?
The old '98 version on DOS.
Or something
brisk merlin
Ye
teal trench
... official tutorial videos are bloody useless. It relies on the player having a joystick.
"To pitch the ship's nose up, simply pull back on your control stick"
I don't have a freaking joystick.
lavish obsidian
very informative
teal trench
Really.
So I guess I'm just sol.
"Hurr durr watch this video, which assumes you have a joystick!" https://i.imgur.com/gBtC0iP.png
...
That was... a lot easier than I expected. o_o
brisk merlin
Lma9
agile raven
ED Is overhyped in terms of difficulty
It's reallt not as hard as the hardcore fans like to say it is
teal trench
Well, I got kinda... lost, like, "what am I supposed to do" after the tutorials. I flew around a bit, then landed back on the station and checked the price of a mining laser... and then recoiled at the 9k units price. How does one even earn units early game, in ED?
uncut bramble
Basically trading missions that you pick up from the hubs
Get mission - fly to x, deliver goods, collect units
It's a bit grindy
teal trench
How do I pick up a mission, and where do I find them? What hub? o.O
I'm like, I literally just got the game today lol.
So, explain like I'm 5.
Please lol.
uncut bramble
Hahaha! I haven't played in sooooo long so I can't remember the specifics (or what's happened in the recent updates)!
I just remember doing trade missions haha! I did use some online guides though
teal trench
Hmm.. I'll google it, then. I was just worried it would turn out like that official video, and only explain stuff that I'd understand if I had a joystick lol.
uncut bramble
Haha! There's such a fanbase for the game so there's so much usefulness online!
teal trench
Can I land on planets, or walk around with a character?
uncut bramble
You can land on planets! And with the Horizons Expansion you can take a rover out onto the planets. You can't actually walk as a person iirc
lavish obsidian
You can drive around on certain planets
uncut bramble
Damn I wanna play ED again lol
teal trench
Eww... so we have to pay for expansions?
lavish obsidian
yes
teal trench
.<
uncut bramble
Horizons was a purchasable expansion when I got it yeah - but I got it all in a bundle.
I'm not sure if there's been more content since
Tbf to Frontier, I've never seen them excessively charge for DLC in any game they produce. Everything they charge for is worth it's price IMO and adds tons of value
rigid haven
Oh, It's like spore
uncut bramble
Got a Planet Coaster expansion for £7.99 and it had HUNDREDS upon hundreds of assets.
teal trench
rigid haven
Dear god
uncut bramble
The Packs are just cosmetic/kickstarters
lavish obsidian
The balancing at times goes a bit whack, as well as literally fighting aliens again and again from about 10 months ago
uncut bramble
The Season Pass is all you need for the extra gameplay really
teal trench
@uncut bramble, I found this on reddit:
It is not really possible to trade meaningfully in a Sidewinder. You simply don't have sufficient internal space to make it worthwhile. With that in mind, take your Sidey to the system Nav Beacon (found in every inhabited system near where you enter the system from hyperspace) and kill wanted ships (just target ships, point your ship at them, wait a couple seconds, and it will tell you that they're either "clean" or "wanted") until you have 200k or so. You'll only want to go after Sidewinders, Haulers, Eagles, and Adders with a rank of Harmless, Mostly Harmless, or Novice and don't attack any NPCs that are in wings (it will say "in wing X/X" in the target panel if they are). Anything bigger or smarter than those is likely to out-fight you. Turn in your bounties frequently (you get blown up and any uncollected bounties go with you) and feel free to upgrade your ship's parts (especially your shields, thrusters, and power distributor to improve your combat capabilities). You get all the cost of the parts back when you sell them, so upgrading parts is never a loss.
Everyone starts with a "Sidewinder", and that's what I have right now.
Trying to figure out what a "system Nav Beacon" is.
uncut bramble
Ohh I managed to upgrade my sidewinder. I traded data to start with. You don't need any storage space to take data trading missions really iirc
teal trench
I don't see it listed on my navigation menu.
uncut bramble
I think you have to scan for it but I remember that confusing me originally too. If I reinstall it sounds like I will need a new save file lol
teal trench
o.o Traded data?
How do I go about doing that?
I'd really like to get a docking computer, lol. Manually docking is a royal pain in the rear.
uncut bramble
I'm not too sure it was a mission I picked up again when I was docked in the hub type place. Haha I got a docking computer and the music for it is great. But I missed manually doing it lol
teal trench
Wait... what.
The entire gameworld exists only within a single galaxy?
I thought it was as big as NMS....
cinder vessel
Nah, it's a more "to scale" so to speak galaxy
So while it's only one galaxy it's vast in its own way
teal trench
What does this mean? Like, is it uncharted? https://i.imgur.com/KmbwkdS.png
winter yew
It just means you haven't been there and scanned it with a Discovery Scanner
cinder vessel
Damn, no map economy? 😛
winter yew
what is your jump range?
teal trench
@winter yew https://i.imgur.com/v5VZfiY.png
winter yew
Yeah so your jump range is 7
basically the reason your route failed is because there's most likely no stars close enough together to plot that route
each star has to be within that 7 LY jump range
teal trench
Okay
So, um.. with absolutely zero knowledge, and not even a basic, rudimentary understanding of the game yet, what would you suggest I do for units? o_o
I want to go mining, but I need units for a mining laser.
I'd do combat, but I've been bloody awful at it and died every single time I tried.
winter yew
trading
winter yew
ive not played the game in like a year so some systems are kind of foreign to me
teal trench
Idk anything lol.
winter yew
basically you need to go to a system and find a station there to land in
safe umbra
You guys talking about Elite?
teal trench
Yup
safe umbra
What console you guys on?
teal trench
o.o
safe umbra
Or PC
teal trench
I'm on pc.
safe umbra
Ah ok
winter yew
I'm on PC as well
teal trench
o.o
Just started less than an hour ago
Has no idea what any of that means
teal trench
@safe umbra https://i.imgur.com/oKapjD2.png
safe umbra
Hm, ok
I mean you’ll get used to the combat, power distribution is a key on most of it
I recommend the Adder for your second ship, or if you can afford it a Diamondback
Adder’s an all rounder if i’m correct
teal trench
Let me just make it clear that I despise combat in games, especially if it's complicated and has lots of mechanics. Elite: Dangerous definitely fits that bill. So I can promise you I won't be touching combat with a ten metre pole.
safe umbra
When I started the game the only thing I felt comfortable in doing was delivering cargo to other stations
uncut bramble
I think I had to at certain points. The bounties got me some really sweet rewards. But the combat is difficult and I tend to avoid it
safe umbra
^
safe umbra
Especially the fact that you might get interdicted
The better your cargo the more likely pirates will try and stop you
But if you got a pretty maneuverable ship you can probably get out of that
teal trench
Okay, well... I have like zero cargo capabilities in a sidewinder.
safe umbra
I wouldn’t say that..
uncut bramble
Ohh yeah I forgot about getting interdicted
safe umbra
I mean I think I got 150k credits by delivering in a sidewinder
teal trench
I just want 9k, so I can get a mining laser. >.<
And I keep getting more, and more confused.
safe umbra
Erm
I don’t think you should focus on the mining laser, not yet at least
You should try getting a new ship
teal trench
There's like, no clear cut way ingame telling me how to do stuff. It expects me to already know everything, which is ridiculous.
winter yew
^
primal inlet
There's a kind of mission called a data transfer mission that's basically a delivery mission, but with no cargo
teal trench
Okay, how do I access that?
safe umbra
Thats the great thing about Elite; they literally just drop you in some random station and its up to you to figure it out
uncut bramble
It's just got a steep learning curve I think. WHich is why so many online guides are so detailed.
safe umbra
Its in the mission tab
winter yew
sooo did they change something about how you open up the quick menu? I used to be able to hold a button and have different little commands that would show up.
uncut bramble
I like games that don't guide you too much
safe umbra
^
primal inlet
They show up randomly in stations' mission boards, most usually have at least one
safe umbra
Thats how I fell in love with the souls series
teal trench
No, I don't mean a guide. I mean mechanics that have tooltips that are detailed enough ingame, that wouldn't require asking around or googling.
safe umbra
Can’t you just go to the controller map?
teal trench
I shouldn't be having to rely on outside sources to learn how to play a game...
safe umbra
I’ve heard it’s a bitch to fly ships on PC
cinder vessel
The controls menu should at least get you started sifting through the interfaces
uncut bramble
I shouldn't be having to rely on outside sources to learn how to play a game...
Some games are just built that way. They rely on people working it out and then sharing knowledge through Wikis etc. That's why so many games don't even have instruction manuals anymore. Depending on the type of game, I sometimes care, I someones don't personally lol
safe umbra
If you guys were on PS4 I would’ve helped out
winter yew
I have a feeling whatever control binding i change will mess up something else.
so I'm just gonna forget ED for now.
safe umbra
I don’t know how all that stuff works
winter yew
I just dont get how the game can be on console and not have a dedicated 'CONTROLLER' mode on the pc version.
cinder vessel
it...doesn't? o_O
winter yew
It says 'gamepad' or some vague bs like that
cinder vessel
Did Frontier contract out the console ports?
rich cargo
Aww. Now I miss the old days of reading the manual on the bus home from the shops...
winter yew
The pc version does not have the on-screen display of functions when you hold A or B or X or Y, its a really cool feature and ever so helpful, there is no reason it can not be applied to every type of controller..
safe umbra
A LOT of people recommend some sort of flight stick for elite
winter yew
yeah im just gonna stop there then lol.
You have the PS4 version, you PROBABLY know what im talking about with the 'hold a button' submenus
uncut bramble
Yeah! I got a HOTAS for my PS4 and played wit hthat. But then I couldn't lie back on the sofa. So I returned it in favour of lying like a slob haha
cinder vessel
I don't even know where people find the space around their desk to set up HOTAS, lol
uncut bramble
Haha yeah on my PS4 I just pulled out a small coffee table
But then I had to sit up
Like a human
😒
teal trench
Is there no way to get here quicker? https://i.imgur.com/ErSsv9e.png
Or do I just... wait for 8min?
uncut bramble
Wait for 8 mins, the fun of ED 😂
I've done flights much longer than that before. They were worth it, but damn they're a grind.
So many people have requested an autofly feature so they can switch the channel lol
safe umbra
Is he in hyper space or something
cinder vessel
lol, pulse jumping seems much nicer now
safe umbra
Matt I had to wait for 20 minutes to get to another system
teal trench
I'm not in hyperspace, or jumping. Just frameshift.
uncut bramble
Yeah it was tiring. I'm not sure if the new updates made it any better. Upgrading my ship made things a lot quicker
safe umbra
I knew that that 500,000 credit cargo transfer to a system near mine was too good to be true
winter yew
there's a place that takes two hours of frameshift to get to from the star 😛
Hutton Orbital
uncut bramble
It's famous haha
teal trench
And why can't we just... "jump" to it?
safe umbra
You can’t just “jump” to it
teal trench
Why?
safe umbra
Cause you’re already in the system silly
teal trench
No, I mean the warp drive or whatever it is.
safe umbra
If you jump again you’re most likely overshoot it
Yeah the warp drive
Only used to go to other systems
uncut bramble
The loop of shame when you overshoot
knotty osprey
lol “loop of shame”
teal trench
Really starting to feel like ED is more trouble than it's worth, for me. Not enough freedom, and insanely complex mechanics that mean jack squat other than "do this to complete this, within the constraints of the limited things you can do."
uncut bramble
😦 Damn, two games in two days. That's not good going for you
teal trench
I like open-ended freedom to do whatever the heck I want, when I want, how I want.
Minecraft and Runescape fit that bill nicely.
uncut bramble
Yeah there's not really a sandbox or creative mode in ED
teal trench
NMS too, to an extent.
winter yew
what was the first game he tried??
winter yew
oh my bad xD
uncut bramble
Haha easy assumption around these parts were 99% that are active are male haha
winter yew
maybe 😉
teal trench
What are these, exactly? https://i.imgur.com/imJINuk.png
I went to one, and almost got my ship destroyed. It was a wreckage-looking thing.
My ship rammed into some of the floating scrap.
Like, what's the purpose of them?
cinder vessel
lol Quav, I feel sorta the opposite about RuneScape, heavily level-gating your freedom a lot of the time
brisk merlin
Lmaoloadsofpeoplehaveelite
cinder vessel
Hmm, I wonder if the X devs are working on a new X game... 🤔
Oh, well I guess this answers that, lol: https://www.egosoft.com/games/x4/info_en.php
winter yew
lol hmm
teal trench
@cinder vessel, that sorta stuff I'm happy with because it's something I can grind towards. I was on about the whole... "you can't use that right now" thing.
E.g., warp drive inside a system.
That's something I'll never be able to do, no matter how long I play, or how far I progress.
Idc about the rules. If I want to enable my warp drive on a whim, I should be able to do it.
Minecraft is a much better example of unlimited freedom. I can recreate the entire gameworld to my personal desire, and modify the game's mechanics and functions via mods.
Skyrim is like that to an extent, with mods. The gameworld is uneditable, as far as I know.
@winter yew, I'm just 'Quavelen' on ED.
cinder vessel
Aw, it's kinda disheartening to hear the Egosoft guys talk about what they were proud of with X: Rebirth and immediately acknowledge, "But yeah, we heard the criticism."
Any of you try X: Rebirth? I read about its rough launch so decided to hold off until it was patched up a bunch.
teal trench
Lol, same story as NMS on steam:
https://i.imgur.com/y8YHvjT.png
https://i.imgur.com/Kn3pM8R.png
cinder vessel
Yeeahh...And damn, it's been out this long already?
winter yew
wow
cinder vessel
X: Rebirth was basically the smol scale version of NMS, lol
Despite being a deeper game
Also yay, Egosoft's got it up on GOG! https://www.gog.com/game/x_rebirth
brisk merlin
i hate it, nms gets bad reviews all the time because harhar famous person dont like, and because everyone else is
cinder vessel
Yeah. =/
Egosoft has the mixed fortune of being a lower key dev, but also having a very particular audience
Like, say what you will of them, but they've really kept going with space games for years when so many other devs just left it alone
teal trench
^ That used to be Jagex with Java. So many people dropped Java, and they just kept on going, and going.
cinder vessel
Also while I don't have firsthand experience with Egosoft, before Rebirth really shook things up for them, many players appeared to be very happy with them. This was especially the case as they'd take feedback to heart and even sometimes integrate mods' changes if I understood what I read correctly from some users
Listening to their Q&A right now, you can definitely hear a bit of this as they recognize Rebirth's criticism, but also point out that their old engine with X3 was just getting a bit too bloated with features it was never designed for initially. Nevertheless, X4 appears to reintroduce the much loved fleet building mechanic from X3, but with somewhat better interfaces to manage them, it sounds like.
teal trench
That reeks of Jagex CM rubbish, through and through.
Makes mistakes
Players get upset
Apologises
Makes promises
Players say okay
Half-delivers, and half-arses the rest
Some players are happy, others are angry again
More apologies, and more promises
It's a never ending circle of "how much can we get away with".
cinder vessel
To be fair though, Rebirth was really their biggest fuckup in recent years, as far as I'm aware
teal trench
Eh, Jagex has been testing those particular waters for far too many years. Every time they do it, it's worse than the time before. Idk when it started exactly, but I'd point my finger at somewhere around 2009/2010.
That was around the time Andrew Gower and his brothers sold their company to an American Investment firm, for several hundred million. Stuff started drastically changing, and players weren't happy at all.
knotty osprey
cough easy mode
knotty osprey
sorry
cinder vessel
I still need to finish a run of FTL
I should also try to pick up X: Rebirth sometime, see how well they patched it
But yeah, I'm sure there's a fair amount of business speak in some of what they say, but given 25 patches within a year of the game's release and a couple expansions to it, at least they didn't just toss up their hands, say fuck it, and leave their work a wreck.
That says something decent of a group, imo, even if they should have tried to avoid the missteps in the first place
teal trench
Perfect example of the "making promises" and then not delivering: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/8cx6yl/regarding_a_question_in_ninja_survey_2/
They ran a guaranteed content poll, and now, a few months into it, they're posting and telling us (the players) that they can't do it after all.
Something we polled which passed as had further investigation resulting in us not actually being able to perform the desired changes, the investigation showed we needed to do a much larger re-write than required as the actual implementation would be extremely expensive and not a suitable code change at this time.
🤦
teal trench
Insert angry reddit noises here
cinder vessel
Check before you run a poll ya goofs
teal trench
Once our poll is finished we sit down with the developers to flesh out the poll questions and then implement the content, in this case this question should never have made it to the poll based on the finding above, as a result we are taking further steps to ensure our polling process does not allow questions like this to be presented again without a full investigation into the proposal being offered.
Smart.
cinder vessel
How was it given the go ahead to begin with then? 🤔
Did they forget to check if their devs were hungover at the time, lol
teal trench
In the words of a long-time player: "You've been Jagex'd™."
Lol. Wot...
It's an actual word.
brisk merlin
I like spaghetti
cinder vessel
This was pretty cool, someone asked about X4 in VR and they gave a very good answer, insofar as it would essentially be making a second game alongside what they're already making
sleek shadow
Hello spaghetti friend
brisk merlin
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
rain flicker
awwwwwwwwww
brisk merlin
@sleek shadow is that your snek?
sleek shadow
Sadly no ;-; I can't buy one until I move out of my dorm in two years
brisk merlin
lmao
light cairn
just wait for those mtx 👀
light cairn
andromeda wasn't the same bioware team.
kinda like how the rockstar that makes red dead isn't the same as gta.
cinder vessel
Nah I know, but still Bioware as a general company
Wouldn't be the first EA's snuffed out
light cairn
a zillion others
winter yew
ugggh the Predator is so hard to kill on Wildlands lol.
winter yew
I had Dead Space on my iphone >;o
actually worked pretty well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQJjPVSW2T0
that is such a BAD video
but yeah it looked like Dead Space if it were on the PS1 lol.
hidden falcon
i had dead space 3 on my ipod 5
i should probably play dead space cause i have all of them and i have a real pc now 🤔
hidden falcon
last time i played the first one there was spooky music and something fell behind me but i didn't see it cause im bad at seeing whats supposed to be spooky 🤔
royal mirage
The first one was free on Origin for a while
I wasn't scared
I've been through Outlast
hidden falcon
wow metoo
i have all of them on origin cause origin access
i also played whistleblower and outlast 2 🤔
but outlast 1 was the best one :moan:
jade lake
@primal inlet GZ is a great game
primal inlet
it looks really really nice so far
light cairn
ground zeroes?
jade lake
have you played any other MGS games
primal inlet
nop
hidden falcon
plant garden zombie warfare ???
light cairn
oh man i was right!?
jade lake
oof
primal inlet
but I've watched some
jade lake
you should
light cairn
they all hold up extremely well
jade lake
MGS is fuckin awesome
light cairn
MGS is one of my favorite series
jade lake
DO NOT play the fourth one first
lavish obsidian
Phantom Pain had its issues but it was a fairly enjoyable game
light cairn
the correct order is
1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > Peacewalker > GZ > 5
lavish obsidian
I liked the one that talked about the danger of memes
hidden falcon
:moan: i like pantom pain
hidden falcon
its 5 dollar on humble bundl
primal inlet
was the memes one
jade lake
2 is my personal favorite
light cairn
revengeance is really good too
light cairn
2 is so good
jade lake
then 4
light cairn
i also really really like Peacewalker
light cairn
2 is more relevant than ever and it's creepy
hidden falcon
is revengeance the one where you cut peopl up
lavish obsidian
The story and the overarching themes are definitely what makes MGS not just another mindless shooter
primal inlet
voidu has a deal for both MGSV games for ~$8.50, that's where I got GZ
light cairn
MGS isn't a shooter tho
jade lake
also, square to shoot lol
lavish obsidian
Strategic shooter, if I were to roughly classify
light cairn
it's Stealth
hidden falcon
i got it when they died 🤔
cause i said wow they're ded i need something to do so i don't think about it 🤔
primal inlet
i'm the kinda guy to try and 100% stealth everything
lavish obsidian
Wikipedia says action-adventure-stealth game
primal inlet
is this possible in GZ
hidden falcon
🤔 when i play sneaky video game i get a gun and then i say shoot shoot and then the enemies know im there but i dont let them see me and then i shoot all of them
lavish obsidian
the box
hidden falcon
box
light cairn
hidden falcon
am going to eat some sleep bye
winter yew
Been dealing with the whole ‘stealth’ aspect of Ghost Recon Wildlands but somehow they still see me from over 100m away
lavish obsidian
Goodnight!
winter yew
And the endless enemy spawn crap pisses me off
light cairn
yes
lavish obsidian
👌
winter yew
Been playing the game with a couple friends though so it’s not as boring
light cairn
yeah it's good with actual people
winter yew
I love the random bs
Like we learned you can kill a helicopter with a drone
Even your own xD
lavish obsidian
Car Fry..
winter yew
We were just cruising along and suddenly the heli is crashing and I’m like WTF
light cairn
yes that was not a fun thing to find out
primal inlet
that sounds like there's a lot of bullshit potential
primal inlet
I tried out the first mission during the free weekend and got turned off because it very much felt like a game you had to play with people
not that that's a bad thing
it's just that I couldn't play it alone
light cairn
i mean you can
winter yew
Well yea
But
The AI is a little goofy sometimes
I love the car physics
I was playing a lot of Just Cause 3 over the weekend and was confusing it with Wildlands sooo I was messing up at times xD
primal inlet
hmmm
this is a japanese PC port if I've ever seen one, it's weird
but its weirdness means I can use Discord on my keyboard and my controller on GZ at the same time
winter yew
Which game
primal inlet
MGSV Ground Zeroes
primal inlet
dw I have both
but I'd like to finish GZ before TPP
also what the heck I have to figure out where a heliport is
light cairn
you need to finish GZ before TPP
like it's a requirement
but you also need to beat 1, 2, 3, 4, and Peacewalker first too
light cairn
the non-canon one 😛
royal mirage
The memes, Jack
light cairn
don't fuck with this senator
primal inlet
unfortunately most of Revengeance's cheese has already been spoiled for me
royal mirage
damnit
primal inlet
but it still looks fun
light cairn
it's still a solid game regardless
crap accidental pun
actual solid isn't in the name
royal mirage
It's fun to destroy stuff completely
primal inlet
:thonkerwguns:
light cairn
i'm good
primal inlet
also literally none of the mgs games are on steam besides V
royal mirage
Especially those moments when you, a robot ninja, square off against, like, 2 or 3 metal gears
Jesus, how badass do you have to be to kill weapons of mass destruction by cutting it in half
royal mirage
If I remember correctly, he becomes a cyborg after cutting the MG in half
Because he get's pretty much all his limbs cut off by that smug-looking asshole
primal inlet
oh
royal mirage
The MG battle is the prologue
primal inlet
MGS4?
winter yew
4 ok
Yeah
That shit wasn’t a game so much as it was an interactive CGI movie
I fell asleep many times watching my roommate play that game and even he said it was like 20% gameplay
primal inlet
according to wiki:
It was generally conceded that although the use of cut scenes were more intrusive than they needed to be (comprising "about half of the content of the game" by one estimate...
Imagine if Kojima was in charge of the story mode of NMS
winter yew
Oh
light cairn
4 was fantastic as a wrapup to everything
royal mirage
And 5 is a nice prequel
light cairn
and 3 and Peacewalker are fantastic prequels
royal mirage
And Metal Gear on the NES is the best prequel
light cairn
royal mirage
When you finally dock a ship correctly, and within the 10 minute timer, in Elite Dangerous
I feel so proud, man.
silent atlas
@royal mirage half naked "Tactically advantageous" alien talk-bait
primal inlet
you joke about this
context
among other things, I think it shows up in the base game too
royal tendon
Oh wow
rigid haven
I'll give them one thing, they're creative when distributing these viruses
lavish obsidian
I wonder if /nick's applied to this
jade lake
has anyone played anything from the mother series
iron inlet
It never came out in the UK D:
brisk merlin
mother mother lmao
somber tulip
http://prntscr.com/j6xnqf I tried drawing 2B. ;w; notice me
lavish obsidian
yee
rigid haven
It is good 👍
somber tulip
<3
brisk merlin
👍
somber tulip
i suck at hands, though, so.
rigid haven
Here, Have Woop's Token Of Approval 🍑
somber tulip
I mean, I tried. xD
rigid haven
Oh, everyone sucks at hands
brisk merlin
hands are ok
somber tulip
i also don't know how to do the ruffles.
xD
I know how to do hair, though! My roomate ssaid that for someone who never drew 2B before, I did good.
Am proud. <3
jade lake
@brisk merlin mother mother stop
brisk merlin
uhhhhh
jade lake
no one likes mother mother
somber tulip
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390690162792988674/436183372927074324/IMG_20180418_111632296.jpg idk how to shadow. @w@
rigid haven
Shading is a tough thing, definitely
Just kind of, uh
Well, I'm not sure. I'm not arty in the slightest
royal tendon
Shadows and shading are quite different
somber tulip
Yeah, shading I'd what I meant
I'm going to try and bring it into GIMP or some other artistic program and draw over it
rigid haven
Ooo, Do show once you're done
brisk merlin
ye
somber tulip
I wish I had my drawing tablet. ;~; sadly, Wacom doesn't send Nibs to Canada.
I shall. <3
I drew Toriel when had my drawing tablet.
kind of wobbly, but i was happy with it, since it was one of the few drawings I ever finished with color and stuff. I can't color very well on paper, tbh
somber tulip
<3 I mean, the tear is kind of weird, and there's some color going out of the lines, but I was okay with it, since the whole thing is kind of, uh.. Idk...
it fits?
Idk, lol. Okey-smokey.
rigid haven
Oh, woah, smooth
somber tulip
Yeeah. :D
cinder vessel
I know her, faintly!
light cairn
❗
cinder vessel
I still need to finish Nier tho, only finished Automata
light cairn
i'm so glad i played the original before Automata
cinder vessel
I was split on whether to do that or not
But I was just like, "Fuck it, let's go through Automata first"
light cairn
while it's not required to enjoy Automata's story, there's so many throwbacks to the original it felt really good
cinder vessel
Right off the bat I just preferred 2B over the protagonist of Nier
Whose name I honestly can't remember, unless it's what I think it is...
cinder vessel
I thought as much, lol
cinder vessel
The moment I got to Kaine I knew I should play more of it, but I just didn't have the time back around when I first got it
light cairn
knowing that the story would be good going into it, i really didn't think the gameplay was as bad as people said
somber tulip
I loved it. ;w;
cinder vessel
I knew next to nothing about it other than that the person at GameStop told me it was really wild and had a made up language for the music and that the music was really good, so I was like, "Fuck, I gotta grab Nier sometime"
So eventually did and then just had it stowed away in my backlog after playing a bit of the start
light cairn
wait, did you have it before you even had Automata!?!?
cinder vessel
Yeah
light cairn
light cairn
cinder vessel
To be fair it's a bit of a slow starter
rigid haven
I'm probably never gonna play NieR
light cairn
cinder vessel
Hell I played through Drakengard 3 and a few of its endings despite having Nier lying about
light cairn
Drakengard 3 is way more grindy but i absolutely love the story and music
cinder vessel
I never really got into the grinding side of it, and didn't have too much trouble playing through the story
light cairn
did you get all the endings?
cinder vessel
Not yet
light cairn
hoo boy
cinder vessel
Just several
light cairn
the last ending is almost literally impossible without a video guide unless you want to lose your sanity, it's great
cinder vessel
One of them is locked behind some grindy bullshit isn't it?
rigid haven
Wait, does NieR have a good-ish ending?
cinder vessel
lol
light cairn
neither does drakengard
cinder vessel
I don't think Yoko Taro knows what a good ending looks like
light cairn
Automata is his cheeriest work to date
cinder vessel
And even it's bittersweet
light cairn
i think in Drakengard 3 you just needed all the weapons to unlock the final ending, but not fully upgraded or anything
in the original drakengard you needed them all fully upgraded
cinder vessel
lol
rigid haven
You need them all upgraded in Automata
cinder vessel
I also got Drakengard awhile after Nier & Drakengard 3
light cairn
you only need them all upgraded for one ending
cinder vessel
That one's a bit tougher to find these days
light cairn
i do not recommend actually playing drakengard, i tried it for a bit on an emulator and lost my mind
i did watch it all though
and holy shit is it a ride
cinder vessel
Now I must
light cairn
og Drakengard is literally designed to make you lose your sanity
it's purposefully made to be not fun to play
cinder vessel
lol
light cairn
i'm not even joking
cinder vessel
So not too unlike Drakengard 3?