My nvidia control panel settings are wonky from doing something for Rayrod, so text is blurry on my screen. Just a sec...
#other-games
teal trench
There we go.
Now I can take a proper screenie
@strong hazel When I say yes to "skills", I mean these: https://i.imgur.com/98zcTAf.png
Proper skills.
teal trench
Yup
strong hazel
I love those in games
teal trench
Mcmmo stuff from Minecraft, basically.
You chop down a tree to get exp in woodcutting.
You burn the logs to get exp in firemaking.
@strong hazel http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Skills
strong hazel
would you say the game is playable f2p without having a disadvantage?
teal trench
Yup
I was f2p from 2004 to 2012.
I loved the game.
Still do.
I've been paying for membership via ingame play, since 2013.
Um, also... combat in RuneScape is... like I said above, it's like NMS in a sense. Kind of a patchwork, clunky thing that isn't the actual game.
The gameplay is not combat oriented.
Yet there are of course players who go out of their way to do combat stuff.
strong hazel
oh I don't mind that
teal trench
So Jagex obliged and tried to update the combat system lol.
In late 2012, they removed the old point and click combat, and added abilities, a hotbar, etc.
limber harness
@primal inlet Do I need to enable AFK kicks for you?
strong hazel
oh yeah kaz, btw, quick question. if two villagers breed but the max number of spawns is reached, will they still make a baby?
light cairn
the baby gets stuck
limber harness
also, again, i'd like to remind people here that mod apps for the minecraft server are open. just ping myself, any Atlas Division admin, or any Minecraft server admin to be added to the candidates list. Just that easy!
tough heron
instructions unclear
limber harness
@strong hazel They will not breed.
strong hazel
Oh ok
Cause I set up the breeder and even though hearts showed up several times I never got a baby
teal trench
@strong hazel Just please bear in mind that the game was originally created in 1998, purely in java, and built to run in Browsers. It's only recently that Jagex started getting away from browsers and Java, and rebuilt the game client in C++ to attain far better graphics. As such, the visual quality I showed you in my screenshots comes at a hefty performance cost. You can play the game easily on a potato, but the highest settings make even that old "But can it run Crysis?" thing look like a joke.
My 1080 Ti is at 100% usage and ~50fps or so.
strong hazel
Oh that‘s fine
teal trench
In those screenies.
tough heron
deluxer ded
limber harness
Village mechanics are weird
There's no upper bound to villagers, but there is a lower bound.
sleek shadow
Deluxer pleb
limber harness
If the village contains less than 0.35 * doorCount villagers, the villagers will breed.
Otherwise, nothing happens.
strong hazel
Like I already said once, I love good graphics and sound and all that, but I don‘t mind it being bad if the gameplay quality makes up for it
sleek shadow
How do you get .35 of a villager
limber harness
so yes. Enable AFK kicks
agile raven
I only found Lux's rail network yesterday
strong hazel
Oh hey deluxer, do you have time right now to do that end light stuff?
teal trench
@strong hazel Then you'll love Rs, lol. RuneScape practically invented the "crappy graphics with great content" thing.
limber harness
> pex group Server_Helper remove essentials.afk.kickexempt
Permission "essentials.afk.kickexempt" removed from group "Server_Helper"!
primal inlet
oopk
primal inlet
"oh no I can't be afk for hours anymore"
sleek shadow
Braneworld theory is pretty cool though but when it comes to string theory
It has no proof
strong hazel
@primal inlet I'm coming on in a sec, I'll show you where
primal inlet
Alright
teal trench
@strong hazel In 2010 when games like Mass Effect, Fallout, and Assassin's Creed were around, this is what RuneScape looked like:
(Pulled from google.)
strong hazel
huh
strong hazel
doesn't look that bad though
teal trench
For the year, it is.
That's like 2003 PC game graphics; worse than even N64, maybe.
The point is - Bad graphics, great content lol.
In 2006, this is what Rs looked like; it was restricted to a 600x800 resolution game client with an even tinier gameworld window:
Just trying to make sure you know not to expect awesome graphics, and instead expect to see extreme inconsistencies where some areas are updated whereas others look like you walked into an N64 reject game.
It's an old, old, game with too much spaghetti and inconsistencies to count.
Yet it's still by far one of the most active MMOs today.
end propaganda rubbish.
Oh, also.. um. A few more things you should know. It has.... a really weird client. Whilst you do download the client, you don't actually download the game. Instead, the game data is "streamed" to the client via a game cache that slowly fills up.
limber harness
that actually sounds pretty common
limber harness
especially for heavy games. I think ESO does something similar.
Minecraft actually does the same thing with remote worlds
lots of games do some sort of chunking/caching. RS might be a bit more aggressive with assets, but it makes sense.
teal trench
Either way, performance will be bloody abysmal, until you have a proper chunk of the game cache. Say ~4GB or so.
So I'd suggest sitting in the lobby, until then.
Oh, and there's no keyboard controls. It's 100% mouse controls to move your character, like the old point and click King's Quest games.
strong hazel
yeah a lot of games do that
teal trench
You can create keybinds for interfaces and abilities, but that's really it.
Um
Also..
.<
The tick system.
strong hazel
oh I'm fine with all of that so far, but I'll have to try it tomorrow,
oh yeah you talked about that already once
the 0.6 seconds delay
teal trench
The tick system might be your undoing, lol. So many people hate that.
light cairn
that's a slow tickrate right there
teal trench
^
primal inlet
...why's it so slow?
light cairn
because it's 20 years old
light cairn
wow, on the dot
teal trench
Old java
primal inlet
wow
teal trench
The engine is still built on that old java code.
strong hazel
couldn't they just up the tickrate though?
teal trench
Nope
limber harness
editing legacy code is hard
strong hazel
they'd have to decrease timing of a lot of stuff
limber harness
And things like tickrates are often hardcoded/assumed in a lot of places.
strong hazel
oh ok
limber harness
You do not want to know the number of things in Minecraft that assume 20TPS
primal inlet
(cough)bethesda games(cough)
limber harness
Or, worse, FPS locking (as deluxer mentioned). cc fallout 4
teal trench
Long winded explanation for it, but long story short... they'd have to go through and manually change hundreds of thousands of individual things, which - as the devs have said - would take literal years of development time.
They said it would be easier to recreate the game.
(Which many of us speculate they are doing.)
There's been a few "leaks" (which we think were on purpose) by devs, where they "accidentally" mention something called Rs NextGen.
strong hazel
oh wow that'd be amazing
agile raven
Fucking fallout 4 lol
teal trench
The main developer of the current game client - Mod Dolan - was recently reassigned to work on an "unannounced MMO".
So there's that, too.
strong hazel
nice
teal trench
On their career listings.
Mark is still there, lol.
He's the lead content designer.
agile raven
He did lose weight in the end
teal trench
Yup
agile raven
The meme fueled him
teal trench
So, anyways lol. You can clearly see (or should by now) that I have an unhealthy addiction to RuneScape.
<.<
.>
strong hazel
well it looks like an interesting game
and if it provides the content for you to stick with it that long I'm sure it's gonna be great
primal inlet
I'm not sure whether to say "nah, as long as it's not physically hurting you, it's probably okay" or "holy shit Aster I just got to the edge and saw all the nooks and crannies we'll have to light"
strong hazel
oh yeah
I already did about 4 of those bigger ones
but sometimes there's just one block
primal inlet
but yeah, that's my opinion
teal trench
From 2004-2012 or so, I had a clan that I was part of - Originally called Wolves of Guthix. We renamed it to Wolves of Darkness in 2011. That's what kept me hooked all those years. After they disbanded in 2012/2013, I started focusing on the game more, and less social stuff.
Learned to really enjoy the game for what it is.
Here, this is an explanation of some of that specific stuff if you're curious: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/7wcfml/just_curious_who_here_has_logged_1_year_of_game/dtzj4km/?context=3
Oops, forgot the context=3 part. That shows the parent comment in the chain.
Edited it.
limber harness
?
teal trench
Yup.
Our clan leader was an insane Texan lady who was always drunk, with the username "Lady Wulfz". She was obviously, quite madly obsessed with wolves.
strong hazel
do you live in the US?
teal trench
I do, yes.
strong hazel
thought you were in eu cause the lol account page you sent me was eu
that's probably why it didn't show your account
teal trench
Nope, I use a EU account.
teal trench
Because when I started playing LoL, all of my "friends" at the time were British, European, Australian, etc.
Very few American friends.
None who played LoL.
strong hazel
makes sense
rain flicker
someone needs to tell spirit how to make natural looking terrain
strong hazel
why don't you do that
rain flicker
his modern villa park is taking half of the town (and is entirely built in creative) and it's all on 1 flat plain
teal trench
@strong hazel, also... related to the "Are you in the US" thing:
The image link: https://i.imgur.com/8af9KPT.png
strong hazel
oh right, I remeber that, just forgot temporarily
teal trench
Oh, okay.
strong hazel
I am great at memorizing stuff, but not so good at recalling it without a little help
light cairn
your name makes sense now
strong hazel
which, I guess, makes me bad at memorizing stuff
teal trench
I brought that up the first time, when Wooper kept going on about potato growing lol.
And um, I'd like to imagine you're better at memorising stuff than I'll ever be.
strong hazel
yeah I remember now
you also talked about your past and all that
and about the crazy drunk lady from your clan
teal trench
Yup, I'm a broken record and forget stuff easily. <.<
rain flicker
@limber harness you here?
teal trench
He's on the prowl, lurking in the shadows.
rain flicker
I ehm
Iehhh
I did.. something
I found a glitch
a big one
better just pm him
strong hazel
glitch with the server or minecraft?
rain flicker
how to get creative mode in the survival world
strong hazel
oh shit lol
teal trench
o_o
primal inlet
yeah, it's bad
strong hazel
Anyway, I gotta go now, you beter not fuck up the server while I'm gone
rain flicker
don't post it here
primal inlet
it's likely you can do it unintentionally, even
seems like a multiverse config file got a bit flipped, or something
primal inlet
no, but like, even if you weren't doing the oddly specific set of actions you were doing
it's much wider-reaching
rain flicker
this was the perfect moment to fix spirits landscaping since the entire villa park was made in creative anyways
limber harness
Anyone trying this will be punished.
rain flicker
Kaz we didn't say the method
no worries
@ocean wind would you kindly not dig into my leaves thank you
teal trench
Saying it on the map is a worry, though. Anyone could have been sitting on it.
rain flicker
shit
ocean wind
@rain flicker sorry, thought I filled them in? I was trying to jump out.
rain flicker
nope you left quite some walkway in it
ocean wind
Are you sure that was me? I only dug out 2 blocks then filled it.
teal trench
ocean wind
yes I know
I wasn't griefing your place. I was trying to go through and patch it. I specifically remember filling it minus only a couple blocks.
rain flicker
no worries I ain't mad
just asking to prevent from doing it in the future
also, do you have anything to do with.. well.. this
a thousand parrots and chickens
primal inlet
PSA
ocean wind
oh, yes I threw a bunch of eggs around a couple days ago lol. The parrots are someone else tho
rain flicker
@tough heron would you kindly not dig in my leaves thank you
tough heron
oh shit sorry
rain flicker
0.9 h ago
tough heron
i wanted to see what the parrot thing was
rain flicker
hell I don't even know what they are
rain flicker
guys, there will be access to the platform eventually. Don't just dig my leaves
tough heron
okay
tough heron
😮
primal inlet
treehouse?
primal inlet
interesting
teal trench
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Quavelen joined the game
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Welcome back, [MC Admin] vQuavelen!
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Type /help for a list of commands.
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Type /list to see names of who else is online.
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Players online: 1
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Head to https://www.atlasdivision.net/minecraft for the official changelog/discussion thread!
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] Head to http://nms.wolf.lol:8123/ in your browser, for the Dynamic map.
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] You have no new mail.
22:14:59 game [22:14:59] [main/ERROR] [FML]: Exception caught during firing event net.minecraftforge.fml.common.gameevent.TickEvent$RenderTickEvent@12a77bf3:
22:14:59 game java.lang.NullPointerException: null
Logged in, and got that crash.
It took too long to render, and timed out.
knotty osprey
server is all sorts of borked right now 
knotty osprey
no u
primal inlet
...That's strange
rain flicker
Rando
knotty osprey
what?
rain flicker
you got that shit in the desert right
knotty osprey
uh
rain flicker
do you by any chance have like. loads of spare sand?
knotty osprey
I don’t have a lot of it, as I used a lot to fill stuff in, and gave like 10 stacks to wampati
knotty osprey
also I’m trying to move my blasttest area to an island closer to the spawn, but I keep getting thrown out of the server
like constantly
teal trench
@rain flicker https://i.imgur.com/WwcGvss.png
knotty osprey
I can’t play stable for more than 5 minutes before it either keeps teleporting me back and undoing what I did in the past 30 seconds, or throws me out of the server with a connection error 
I can’t play like that
and it’s not even my WiFi or my minecraft being a shithead
it’s the server.
I can go to other minecraft servers no problem
limber harness
It's not the server.
knotty osprey
well what else is it
limber harness
DM me a traceroute to fe5c75ec16f4.cloud.mccn.blacksite.mx
knotty osprey
I’m not on my pc right now and can’t run any tests, sorry.
teal trench
That means open a command prompt as admin, and type tracert fe5c75ec16f4.cloud.mccn.blacksite.mx.
(In case you didn't know.)
knotty osprey
i don’t know what you are talking about but it’s 23:23 so I couldn’t have tried it anyway
teal trench
@knotty osprey
knotty osprey
as I said 3 times,
i’m not on my pc at the moment and it’s late af so I can’t do that right now
knotty osprey
look, I tried a lot of things already to try to fix this.
assuming it’s not the server being a shit, I tried the following things:
Use different server address
Reboot PC
Restart router
Reboot PC again
Unplug and reconnect Ethernet cable
Reboot PC yet again
Restart router again
Uninstall and re-install minecraft
Update Java
Uninstall and re-install minecraft again
none of the above made any difference whatsoever.
I have not a single issue connecting to websites and other minecraft servers.
running a ping test returns no issues.
what the hell is causing the issues I’m having, if it’s not the server itself.
limber harness
This is why I want a traceroute.
The server should have no effect on anything, so I suspect JARG's ISP
knotty osprey
I’ll do that tomorrow as soon as I can.
limber harness
If it's an ISP issue routing to Digital Ocean, nothing i can do
knotty osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424350924845088770/426041585919328266/unknown.png this is the most common error I get when I get kicked out by the way.
the Dutch text translates to “the external host has disconnected”
limber harness
Almost confident that's your ISP then
knotty osprey
hm
limber harness
There are lots of reasons for that message. It usually means your connection was interrupted
primal inlet
I'll be back in a while
knotty osprey
if it eventually appears to be my ISP, how come I haven’t had any issues with the server until somewhere last week?
limber harness
--- JustARandomGamer's ping statistics ---
100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 99158ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 83.537/84.277/114.709/3.574 ms
Your ISP's routing to Digital Ocean is flaky?
knotty osprey
holy shit
that’s a looooong ass reaction time
teal trench
Oh
knotty osprey
🤔
allright, I’ll see what the trace route spits out tomorrow, will go to sleep now.
teal trench
cinder vessel
lol
rain flicker
Same until today
Came back to find a flock of 15 parrots raving at my tree, and to find out a few people decided to dig in my leaves searching for treasures
Or so I assume
winter yew
lmao. raving parrots.
teal trench
Yup
winter yew
why do they do that?
teal trench
Seriously, they were circling around a single spot, making a racket.
winter yew
hahah
teal trench
They have a mechanic where they mimic other mobs in the area. In this specific case, a chicken was the closest mob.
So they fluttered around it, and mimicked it.
Squarky sounding chicken noises.
Amplified x50 or so.
Mixed with the flapping sound of 50 tiny wings.
Might as well call it a rave, lol.
Also, @winter yew... this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j60y9A4jEs
They dance to music.
sleek shadow
Parrot
lavish obsidian
Where can you find them again?
winter yew
someone keeps triggering their stickykeys
sleek shadow
The Amazon
winter yew
Lmao.
teal trench
@lavish obsidian https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Parrot#Spawning
Parrots spawn naturally in Jungle biomes.
Also:
Parrots crowd and settle around other nearby mobs, including neutral and hostile mobs.
That explains - again - why they were all flapping around that one chicken.
daring badge
XD
Parrots will overtake the chickens
Also
IM BACK AT MY PC YAY
so I will have a new server going up probably
This will be vanilla 1.13
And will continue to be the newest version of mc
How much ram do you think I would need... it would only be vanilla, so no mods/plug-ins (no spigot for 1.13 yet) and I’m thinking 15 players would be the most on...
@limber harness
teal trench
Taco, come on.
teal trench
There is no 1.13 server .jar yet. Only development snapshots, which are full of bugs and crashes.
teal trench
1.13 isn't even released yet.
daring badge
Ik
teal trench
@daring badge This is the latest update; video by one of the Mojang devs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2tzuu1K8E4
daring badge
I watched it
teal trench
If you did, you would have already known this: "Only development snapshots, which are full of bugs and crashes."
He states that in the video.
daring badge
Yeah
But I thought that there would be at least a beta .jar for the big servers to test there stuff on n such
Give people time to develops plugins
teal trench
Spigot/Bukkit development stuff doesn't start until Mojang releases a full, stable build. Not a snapshot.
daring badge
Or someone in the community that had made one (that isn’t very likely tho)
teal trench
Plugin development depends entirely on Bukkit/Spigot development.
Which means it doesn't start, until that does.
There are server versions of every snapshot, but the above statement remains the same. It's buggy, and full of crashes. By the time anyone did anything of note on your server, there would already be a new snapshot, which means you'd have to update. More often than not, worlds created in previous snapshot builds are not compatible with new snapshots.
This is especially true with the 1.13 snapshots.
Besides, when Spigot does a 1.13 build, and our plugins are updated, I know Kaz plans to update the server.
lavish obsidian
^
limber harness
The second I have a stable 1.13 build I will be updating
teal trench
It's in the client now.
Kinda hidden away.
Launch options > latest snapshot > Download server
The current link, being this:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Download/versions/18w11a/minecraft_server.18w11a.jar
I still wish they wouldn't use Amazon servers.
limber harness
Something wrong with AWS?
teal trench
Just a personal nitpick lol.
Amazon owns twitch, and twitch purchased curse, and curse hosts the "official" Minecraft forums. Upon purchasing it, Twitch forced all users of the forum to either merge their existing account with a twitch account, or lose access to the forums and their account.
light cairn
wow
agile raven
Dick move
lavish obsidian
I lost my account.
daring badge
the mc forums?
teal trench
daring badge
eww
teal trench
It feels weird, to think that 2009 was almost a decade ago.
light cairn
no
agile raven
Nope
teal trench
It feels weird to me, is what I said.
light cairn
no
teal trench
I graduated from highschool in 2009, and that still feels really recent.
light cairn
nO
teal trench
Anywho, this was the twitch merge post: https://www.minecraftforum.net/news/60629-merge-your-minecraft-forum-account-with-twitch
light cairn
oh, i thought based on the other message you were literally saying all your posts and stuff would disappear
teal trench
No, like... they'd lose access to the forum, and their account, meaning they lost all that stuff.
They'd have to lurk as a guest, or create a twitch account.
light cairn
still crappy but not to the extent i imagined
daring badge
@ocean wind took my logs
teal trench
Yeah, that extent you imagined is what initially caused the outrage.
When people realised that wasn't the cause, a lot of them stopped complaining.
daring badge
teal trench
Yeah... Taco, they've seemingly been breaking a lot of stuff. <.<
ocean wind
what?
light cairn
👀
daring badge
u took my logs
ocean wind
what logs? where?
daring badge
from my house
teal trench
Inb4 Banana person is Destructoid.
daring badge
oh
teal trench
Which means that's another taco alt.
teal trench
.>
ocean wind
when? where is your house? I don't remember taking anything
daring badge
it says that you removed logs from the wall
teal trench
The taco-ception is real.
winter yew
RIP Clifford https://youtu.be/Dxg2KhRSx_s
limber harness
@safe umbra I was going to ask "would you rather it be a tempban"
But you answered that question for me.
limber harness
Don't grief/intentionally be a dick. It's just not cool.
safe umbra
im sorry
agile raven
What did he do
limber harness
Killed another player's wolves/knocked em around with the slapstick
limber harness
He didn't know I was invis and recording
light cairn
heh, nice
limber harness
It expires in 24 hours
cinder vessel
🤦 no kill wolves around Kaz
light cairn
at all
limber harness
No, no being a dick, killing wolves, and then pretending like you were going to help solve the "murder mystery"
light cairn
cinder vessel
🤦
limber harness
By the way @safe umbra, when you come back online, it'll all be cleared. Your prefix has been reset, and you have your nickname perms back.
limber harness
(rank is cleared, name he can clear)
limber harness
He was. Then he killed more wolves.
teal trench
o.o
Can you, uh... like, I know you can remove building and command perms, can you also remove attack and interact perms?
limber harness
yep
limber harness
i can also remove their ability to chat, but they can still receive messages
teal trench
Haha
limber harness
Effectively, a shadowban
teal trench
Yess
limber harness
I may also be able to make that rank invis, so nobody can even see users
teal trench
@strong hazel http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Brassica_Prime
agile raven
@sand carbon guess who just hit Champion I in Rocket League
sand carbon
light cairn
daaaang
agile raven
Probably going to get booted to Diamond if I don't play more
Champion is always changing
knotty osprey
@limber harness did the traceroute thingy, sent results to DM.
lavish obsidian
heh..?
lavish obsidian
16..
winter yew
Could you guys help.I can't join the Minecraft server. It says disconnected or a error message after loading terrain
agile raven
@limber harness reckon you can do anything for him?
lavish obsidian
maybe check logs kaz?
winter yew
Wait
Maybe it's my .bin?
Is that possible?
My mc name is CyckaLoop16 btw
And I need to go to school now
So bye guys
lavish obsidian
Bye Cycka
limber harness
^ I don't even see log entries
lavish obsidian
Definitely his end, then?
rare coral
most likely
teal trench
Okay, bed didn't last long. Up and irritable.
@winter yew likely doesn't have the right IP any more. They haven't been on, since you started hosting, @limber harness.
The new IP is nms.wolf.lol, so try that when you get back, @winter yew.
@primal inlet https://pastebin.com/PNNKrsnD
cinder vessel
lol, backstory!
winter yew
teal trench
What game is that? o.o
winter yew
Monster hunter world
lavish obsidian
Monster hunter world
teal trench
O.O
winter yew
ZING
lavish obsidian
cursed_chat
teal trench
That's a lot more impressive looking than I thought that game would be, lol.
I remember monster hunter on the Ps1
winter yew
Ps2
winter yew
Lol I remember that game
teal trench
I knew it was a monster-something game on the Ps1; that was the newest console I ever had.
There needs to be more f2p open world MMOs released. It's almost like MMOs in general stopped being made.
Right now, there's just ones that have been around for years.
cinder vessel
🤷 They're a costly investment
winter yew
lol there’s Black Desert Online
cinder vessel
And ppl seem to be super fickle with their multi games
teal trench
Yup, I played BDO.
winter yew
And uh TERA
teal trench
That too.
cinder vessel
Didn't The Secret World recently go F2P?
winter yew
I tried Wildstar for a bit
cinder vessel
Wildstar is...Weird, I couldn't get a good feel for it
I liked the weird, but...I dunno
dire raft
I really liked wildstar when that launched, but then they took ages to fix some bugs, and then there a bunch of people got fired/quit, and then they basically didnt make any new content, just moved to f2p and made stuff for the shop
winter yew
I just treated it like a Ratchet and Clank mmo
cinder vessel
Oof, that's disheartening
dire raft
it was great for the first half year-year
teal trench
@cinder vessel, yup. I'm super ficke about my MMOs too. I like open world, sandboxy, and it's gotta be medieval/fantasy.
cinder vessel
Medieval fantasy sometimes works for me, but often it's so copypaste I get tired of it quick, same happens with a lot of scifi stuff
teal trench
Yeah... that copy paste thing. I keep trying, in the hopes that someone finally gets it right.
Not just another wow clone.
teal trench
One example that had me really excited, was an upcoming project that literally called themselves "Revival MMO" or something, because they aimed to revive, and do the MMO thing the right way. That of course, died off after a few years when they had invested thousands into it. Hours, and money.
They scrapped it, without a word.
cinder vessel
That's happened to a lot of MMOs I feel like
teal trench
cinder vessel
I'd honestly be more content with a generative offline open world fantasy game
teal trench
Yup. Something with Minecraft or NMS gameworld generation.
That would be awesome.
Those two are (to my knowledge) the only games that can claim to have infinitely generated worlds.
cinder vessel
MMO to me just means something that demands my attention to keep up with it that I can't be bothered to give, lol
teal trench
An MMO to me, is a few things - first, the player interactions. Other players make a game feel alive, far more than NPCs ever will. Secondly, there's just a certain... "feel" to starting a grind from the bottom, that so many others have started before you. It's fun climbing the ranks, to see myself on the gameplay leaderboards. Thirdly, the gameplay itself - most MMOs, if they're sandboxy, will have a proper skilling/crafting system. I love gathering my own materials, and creating my own equipment.
RuneScape has all of these, as does Minecraft if it's a server.
NMS lacks the player bit.
It feel way too lonely.
I'm still crossing my fingers in the hopes that HG adds better multiplayer stuff in 1.5.
cinder vessel
Yeaah...Many of those don't appeal to me too much. Player interactions are just so separate from the world itself it's like, "Well this is a robust chatroom, huh?" Grind is just...Ick. I can't stand it in any form. Skilling/crafting systems for me are largely associated with the former, alongside an absence of good personal customization touches (most of the time), that they doubly let me down.
Obvs. works for many others, but not so much for me personally.
One of the things I always wanted to be able to do with crafting in a game is add something to the crafted item that distinguished it just a tad
That's one of the things I really appreciate about building in Minecraft/Lego Worlds/etc.
teal trench
Yup, so we're opposite sides of the spectrum lol. However, I do agree with your last note about crafting - I always wish there was more to it.
More depth, more freedom, etc.
cinder vessel
Yeah, never made much sense to me how you were ever supposed to really do much with crafting in MMOs when you essentially can't do much to make what you craft any different/better than anyone else's, lol
"Hey I made this thing pls come buy!" "why it's the same as-" "it's cheaper!" "oh okay"
yaay price being the distinguishing thing
teal trench
That was something Jagex wanted to 'fix' in RuneScape. They were going to make it possible for players to create 100% unique items, and equipment and 'sign' them, if you will. Have your own personal mark on them, and sell them. This would let players know you made it, and would come back to you for more equipment if they wanted.
That ideal is still there, but it didn't happen.
They wanted to do it with the invention skill.
However, they hit some limitations or whatever, and had to figure something else out.
Engine limits, or something.
Can't recall what the reason was.
cinder vessel
Yeah, it's not exactly an easy solve, so nothin' against any devs on that end
teal trench
MInd you, the desire to do this still exists in the studio.
cinder vessel
Sometimes feel like the best route is just leavin' notes here & there
Ya make it, ya give it its own unique thing, voila
teal trench
They're way too stubborn to let something like that go.
I know I've mentioned it many times already, but RuneScape still uses the original game engine created in the early 2000s. I know it was rewritten in 2004, but there hasn't been a rewrite since then. Just ..."upgrades" patched onto the existing code.
It's in a customised version of Java they created, called "RuneTek" or something.
Okay, so they did rewrite it in 2009.
RuneTek 6 isn't being used, as it was part of another game they made (which flopped), and RuneTek 7 was created in HTML5, which also flopped. So I guess it's still on RuneTek 5.
Hmm
No, we're on RT5, with patchwork applied from 6 and 7. So "officially" they say we're on 7, but technically the base is still 5.
cinder vessel
lol
teal trench
Sorry, I'm rambling.
cinder vessel
Eh, no worries
teal trench
./co i
Then click the spot
It has block logs.
@agile raven https://i.imgur.com/kqkofLH.png https://i.imgur.com/As55tm4.png https://i.imgur.com/IBJJCpg.png
It's in Kaz's hands. He'll have to check command logs.
teal trench
Still using SEUS Renewed?
teal trench
Um, likely because you're not logged into Imgur. Imgur will jpeg any image over 2MB, if you upload anon.
The compression is really heavy, too.
Also, the quality of SEUS Renewed is honestly really surpassing my expectations lol. I knew the rewrite would look amazing, but I still keep thinking about it.
And to think, it's only v1 and still a WIP.
rain flicker
Spirit
By any chance
Do you know about how I received a thousand parrots at my tree
And chickens as well but those were by bananarama
agile raven
teal trench
I guess that's a yes.
rain flicker
Someone likes my tree 👀
brisk merlin
👀
teal trench
@tough heron https://i.imgur.com/TVWcSz6.png
lavish obsidian
coming on right now
teal trench
@tough heron https://pastebin.com/PNNKrsnD
lavish obsidian
ah yes
lavish obsidian
?
lavish obsidian
ah, with shaders of course
teal trench
Too late.
rain flicker
Tell me did you read it?
NOOO
THE END OF TIME HAS STARTED
ENJOY THE PAST
FEAR THE FUTURE
PUT IT BACK BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE QUAV!
teal trench
rigid haven
I'm proud of that chest
primal inlet
oh
rain flicker
I love how that book got 4 pages just saying fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
And then out of nowhere a serious prophecy
primal inlet
It's in the title, I'm not sure what you expected
rain flicker
And then again fuck fuck fuck fuck
agile raven
primal inlet
Tollbooth?
teal trench
@rigid haven, I added something to the chest. You should have a look, when you log back on.
agile raven
rain flicker
Dear God. Quav you doomed us ALL
agile raven
rain flicker
Just in case the end means a giant flood. You have permission to use my tree as an evacuation area
rigid haven
Ooo
agile raven
@primal inlet I'm also getting into the transport business
lavish obsidian
WYIS transport
agile raven
Building a bridge between the modern area and the barn
primal inlet
oh no, a competitor
teal trench
Doom? Idk about you, but bumpy pickles sounds fun.
https://i.imgur.com/3IXaGt7.png
lavish obsidian
Whale's Atlantic Bridge™
rain flicker
Spirit
primal inlet
Concrete's so nice for stuff like this
lavish obsidian
Whale's Bridge that don't stop comin'™
rain flicker
I mean. A few changes in creative are fine but. You've built more than half of the town in creative
agile raven
I've built my area
Well, now everyone's area since I gave the houses away
but I
I've left everything else alone
lavish obsidian
I do own one
rain flicker
Please be aware that we are having a poll about the seriousness of the survival world. And it's winning. Your area may be copied over to the creative world
ocean wind
where is the poll?
lavish obsidian
atlas division
agile raven
This area isn't moving...
teal trench
rain flicker
Well... You are in the survival world and we just don't like having half of the town cheated
I built my entire tree in survival as well, why can't you build those houses in survival?
teal trench
Creative =/= Cheating
It's not cheating, and I'm okay with it in my opinion, but I get that others have an issue.
lavish obsidian
^
teal trench
Either way, Kaz is really the one who can make that ultimatum.
(We have a poll for a reason.)
agile raven
If the poll wins in favour of more serious survival, sure, I'll stop expanding and stick with what's there now.
I don't mind that
teal trench
Unrelated, but I should probably lay down again. It's 5 in the morning over here.
Bye for now.
rigid haven
lavish obsidian
👋
ocean wind
what are your guys' schedules that just stay up til 5am on a Thursday....
sick arrow
ocean wind
are you waking up or not gone to sleep yet?
sleek shadow
Fun
rain flicker
Well spirit I'm not saying I don't like what you make, if you want to expend sure do it
... But not in creative
If I could build my tree in creative I would have been done in a day
But what's the fun of that
agile raven
That's silly thinking. Bridge is done. Houses are done. No more creative building if people really have an issue and care about what I'm doing that much
Besides, those changes will go through when they go through. Any policies that come of that vote I have to enforce myself anyway.
Anything until then is a moot point
uncut bramble
Media Molecule Made This Cutesy Platformer in 52 Hours Using Dreams on PS4
I am soooo hyped for this game
royal tendon
Media Molecule were behind this game called dreams, weren't they?
uncut bramble
Yeah, that's it!
royal tendon
Tearaway on the ps4 was really neat
They were quite innovative with the touchpad and using the front part of the controller as a key mechanic of sorts
royal tendon
I'm only pointing out what I hear
I don't know what else goes on in tearaway apart from that
I did look into media molecule on their site though. They were still making dreams at the time I think
rigid haven
I just know it's about paper
uncut bramble
Same with tearaway on the vita - they really used all it's unique features too
Microphone, back touch pad, touch screen, camera etc
All their releases are pretty innovative
Dreams is going to be amazing
royal tendon
Mhmm ^^
rigid haven
I imagine it will be kind of like a big level editor
I've not seen anything on it at all
uncut bramble
That's kind of a part of it. It really seems like an all in artist tool. The ability to paint, sculpt in 3D etc
rigid haven
Hmm
Well, Little Big Planet wasn't great for me because it seemed to focus on that aspect too much. The games' stories were good, but after that it's either make your own levels or play other people's and, well, There's an abundance of quite poorly thrown together levels
And I couldn't make my own because I suck at level design
Maybe I was a bit too picky with it, though
uncut bramble
Do you think so? I've seen some seriously impressive stuff made with the LBP engine. People recreating Sonic, Mario etc. It's really impressive.
With creative games like that, I do judge myself against others creativity, and Dreams will be no exception. But it's definitely not a game for the story, I don't think any of them are. They're just about that creativity and making your own stuff
It's fine to be picky if a game isn't for you
Also @rigid haven I meant to tell you, your suggestion of having a game night role went through, and became active a few days ago. Though I see you don't have it 😂 Do you want it?
rigid haven
Oh, that was because of my suggestion? Neat. Sure, I'll take it
uncut bramble
Well, it was something a few people had mentioned. But you put it in server suggestions and I thought you'd be hyped when we posted it in announcements. lol
Have added it on for you!
rigid haven
I've been busy playing NieR Automata so I haven't been as active as usual
uncut bramble
On PS4? It went into the UK sale here yesterday or the day before I think!
uncut bramble
Ahh! What do you think of it?
rigid haven
I really love it. It's been a while since I've played a game like it, and the combat just feels awesome
Though I keep getting distracted from the story by all the sidequests
uncut bramble
Haha, typical with any game like that! Good to hear it. I tried the demo and it looked great but I didn't get sucked in
rain flicker
EHM
sleek shadow
Why
rigid haven
I wasn't interested at first since I didn't think it was anything special, but hearing someone talk about the Camera Angles in a game for an hour really puts things into perspective
rigid haven
😉
sleek shadow
^Me watching Marawu Penguindrum
rain flicker
rigid haven
Ooo
sleek shadow
My eyes have been stained
brisk merlin
Lmao
sleek shadow
That's brilliant
brisk merlin
brisk merlin
Hmmm
rain flicker
omg it actually was another ferret milking book
blazing torrent
block
dire raft
so I installed minecraft again, now to get up to date with everything that changed
brisk merlin
Cool
blazing torrent
enjoy @dire raft
dire raft
haven't played since 1.6
brisk merlin
Nice
lavish obsidian
Good to see the server's bringing people back
winter yew
I'm coming soon ™
brisk merlin
O k
winter yew
Going home now
lavish obsidian
👍
rain flicker
OH NO
lavish obsidian
?
winter yew
Still need to fix that loading terrain
brisk merlin
Oh god
winter yew
lavish obsidian
oh chirpy
brisk merlin
Hello
rain flicker
watch out when you get online
brisk merlin
lavish obsidian
you can actually utilize the books if you do /hat
winter yew
lavish obsidian
provides decent protection
winter yew
rain flicker
no access to /hat
lavish obsidian
ah
brisk merlin
Yes
winter yew
Yes
lavish obsidian
Yes
winter yew
No
brisk merlin
:aYes:
lavish obsidian
boolean
lavish obsidian
boolean oof
winter yew
What is That?
lavish obsidian
dear quavelen
rain flicker
THIS IS THE LAST I CAN TAKE OF HIM
lavish obsidian
you've gone too far.
winter yew
What are those books?
lavish obsidian
Love, whale
lavish obsidian
It's a ferret milking book
rain flicker
brisk merlin
QUAV THE FUCK WHO GAVE YOU ALL THIS MILK
rain flicker
lavish obsidian
Bagged milk, of course.
winter yew
Why do you guys have ferret milking books?
rain flicker
I DON'T KNOW
lavish obsidian
quavelen hid them.
rain flicker
Quav has gone ABSOLUTLY mad
brisk merlin
THE MILK IS LEADING HER THE WRONG WAY, IT'S SPREADING THROUGH HER
brisk merlin
Quav is a girl lmao
sleek shadow
Wot
rain flicker
it's true
winter yew
Genderneutral guys
lavish obsidian
yes
winter yew
jes
sleek shadow
Ja
primal inlet
shhhj
primal inlet
I had 7*16 of the books, stored them in my secret rarity chest
winter yew
#CRACKED
rain flicker
I feel like we need to make a museum
with like, all the shit that happened
for example a copy of this book
or an original gold ore block from the gold ore conservation association club house before it was destroyed
just all the little things
rain flicker
just somewhere near spawn
primal inlet
spawn's pretty packed though lol
rain flicker
near
brisk merlin
Yes there
rain flicker
indeed near the storage
which is entirely blocked off by spirits new town btw
like, there is no path to it
the bushes stop you
rain flicker
anyone who can give Ket his rank?
sleek shadow
We can tear down sheercliffs national park
Who cares about the environment anyway <:^)
brisk merlin
Yes
rain flicker
yesss
winter yew
Sssey
brisk merlin
Ssnej
limber harness
o.o
brisk merlin
Yo
knotty osprey
so uh
@limber harness did you ever check your DM's?
knotty osprey
but you were online when i sent the results of the traceroute 🤔
knotty osprey
the traceroute kinda went:
hop 1 success, hop 2 success, hop 3-6 success, hop 7 timed out, hop 8 timed out, hop 9 timed out, hop 10 back to my pc
winter yew
I think my ping is like 10028291
knotty osprey
look, i get the exact same error but after 5 minutes of sorta-stable play time cycka
knotty osprey
and its likely my ISP whos route to it is brok
limber harness
@dire raft What's your IGN?
dire raft
Ket
dire raft
not online atm
limber harness
would it be possible for you to get online real fast so i can assign perms?
dire raft
sure sec
limber harness
@winter yew I can in a moment. Can't focus on 20 things at once, heh
winter yew
Oegaboega
knotty osprey
hah
dire raft
ah nice
winter yew
I cri mkay
limber harness
@winter yew
--- XX.XX.XXX.XXX ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 9070ms
oof
winter yew
knotty osprey
your connection is borked, my ISP's routing to the server is terrible..
maybe it has to do with us being dutch 🤔
winter yew
Fris plays this server 24/7
limber harness
that he does.
I mean, other than network, I can't think of anything that would cause connection refusals here
Minecraft is for whatever reason very sensitive to network hiccups (annoyingly), so... hmm.
knotty osprey
wait what
the weird spazzing animation falling sand blocks did is fixed somehow 🤔
limber harness
The problem is the error message you're getting (Connection reset by peer) means pretty much nothing because it's very common.
That said, my server is also saying Connection reset by peer, which is why I like the idea of blaming an ISP
knotty osprey
im having somewhat stable connection to the server now 🤔