#nms-modding | No Man's Sky | Page 119

dreamy tulip Feb 19, 2018, 11:54 PM

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I haven't seen anyone else use it, but someone might've

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https://i.imgur.com/6ThWfmf.png

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2018-02-17 - 21.45.34 ~ MyImgur v3.93 - myimgur.eden.fm x64

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It also has an entity

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I'm curious to play around with it

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Just haven't taken the time to yet

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I need to finish this hazard bar, keep getting sidetracked haha

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Sec

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Should be fixed now

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Loading up to test

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@supple wadi Turns out that green slime wasn't the "DANGER" ID

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I believe it's actually the "ENVIRONMENT" id

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In vanilla it's marked to hidden about to verify

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Not environment either... reverting my changes quick

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By the way...

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For the planet name, that used to be on the top left...

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On AR... it says this:

                  <Property name="Image" value="" />
                  <Property name="Text" value="WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWXX" />
                  <Property name="Special" value="False" />
                </Property>```

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In 2016 it said....

clever adder Feb 20, 2018, 12:04 AM

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www

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:05 AM

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                      <Property name="Image" value="" />
                      <Property name="Text" value="Konangkooo" />
                      <Property name="Special" value="False" />
                    </Property>```

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Hello Game's changed it

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Just a static text change

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https://youtu.be/CLcjvIQJns0?t=157

YouTube

IGN

No Man's Sky: 18 Minute Gameplay Demo - IGN First

Hello Games founder Sean Murray gives us a guided tour of one planet in No Man's Sky's universe as our month-long IGN First coverage kicks off.

▶ Play video

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Konangko

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:13 AM

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lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:20 AM

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Loading up again

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I had to change a lot more than expected

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Testing now

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:46 AM

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Going to need to adjust this in cheat engine

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currently working with the planet name

exotic violet Feb 20, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Would I be able to run your mod with a mod that effects only the space skybox?

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/galactic map

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 4:43 AM

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@exotic violet Hi

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Which other mod is that?

exotic violet Feb 20, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Nvm actually your mod was fine on its own

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Cool

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 5:43 AM

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Still working on the same thing

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With the ui

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Haven't stopped

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Determined to get it fully working

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:15 AM

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I will find the answer to this question one way or another. I must find out where the ID's for UI data are being handled.

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They have to be called from somewhere

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Still searching after 9 hours

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Excited to solve this

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:29 AM

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Can probably get the bulk of the ids by decompiling the various files, searching through them all, and noting them all.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Thanks, yeah... earlier I decompiled all UI files, and metatadata > UI files as well.

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Still trying to put the pieces together

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There is something that I'm working on figuring out right now

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Which is...

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For example

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I added the 2016 planet values for each biome type, and their weather values (additionally) from 2016

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Like this for example

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    <Property value="TkLocalisationEntry.xml">
      <Property name="Id" value="WEATHER_HEAT1" />
      <Property name="English" value="VariableSizeString.xml">
        <Property name="Value" value="" />
      </Property>```

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      <Property name="USEnglish" value="VariableSizeString.xml">
        <Property name="Value" value="Infrequent Heat Storms" />
      </Property>
    </Property>```

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Also

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For the heat/scorched weather...

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In vanilla it only goes up to...

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10 for example, for "WeatherHeat"

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But if you add, say...

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WEATHER_HEAT11

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It will work

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And add it to the game

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Rather than replacing

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Tried doing a look at the structs in MBINCompiler, but the IDs being a multitude of strings, not there, so just have to go right to the files.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Yeah

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Just deducing how it functions

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But what I'm getting at here is...

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In relation to what I said above

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Is that, in vanilla the WEATHER_HEAT id's only go up to 10

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But if you add WEATHER_HEAT11, and so on and so forth

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The game will read it

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And rather than replacing any of 1-10

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It will add 11

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So, it's not hardcoded (to my knowledge)... and it's also not being referenced anywhere else in the files.

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Only in the language file.

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However, if you look in that HUDHAZARD file for example

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That I've been working in

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Alike other UI related files...

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There are ID's

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Take "UNITS" for example

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Used in the proper context, with the proper struct, without forcing a particular string ofc, it will grab your current UNIT count.

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But the question, is... what exactly is it calling from?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Some are for the different localizations and others are for the fluctuating variables.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:38 AM

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That is what I'm trying to figure out.

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Yes, some of the UI files call from the language file

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But oddly, I think some aren't in the langauge file

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:39 AM

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Units is one of those draw from the variables situations.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:39 AM

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About to check

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Variable situations, like?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:39 AM

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As in you won't find it throughout the files because it's actively calculated by the game to read a proper amount.

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Calculated/checked.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:39 AM

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I do see this localization

      <Property name="Id" value="UI_JOURNEY_NEXT_UNITS" />
      <Property name="English" value="VariableSizeString.xml">
        <Property name="Value" value="" />
      </Property>```

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     <Property name="USEnglish" value="VariableSizeString.xml">
        <Property name="Value" value="units" />
      </Property>
    </Property>```

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Likely unrelated though

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As the ID is different

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I see

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So

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Do you think it's hardcoded?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:40 AM

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So I think you're kinda looking for like some of the %ID% stuff in the localizations.

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Which is, yeah, tucked away in the .exe so far as we can tell.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:40 AM

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Yeah, that's the other thing I'm looking at

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Like...

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%PROCNAME%'s %WEAP1%

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For eg

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That's telling the game to write a procedural weapon name

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Cool

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Well, I managed to get the planet name on the top left HUD

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And I can figure out the clock and the time ofc

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But

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:42 AM

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You may be able to just tell it to bugger off and write in your whatever thing.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:42 AM

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During my focus on this... I started to develop more questions.

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As this stuff is interesting imo

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You mean, specify something in specific?

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I don't follow what you're referring to

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I mean, I did get the name on the top left HUD and it's calling the actual planet name (w/o forcing a string) so it works as intended

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Basically if the variable read was buggin' ya you might be to do that, yeah. Just replace units with "NIPNIP" or "MONEYNOTANSWER"

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🤷

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:44 AM

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And I do remember a time actually 99% adding a weapon and also adding to the language file a long time ago...

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Reading ur message now

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Well

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That's if it's actually being called from the language file I would think

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Right?

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That I'm not sure yet

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One of the UI related mbins use the ID "UNITS"

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:45 AM

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I dunno, some stuff we've been able to add directly to the file. Like with NPC interactions, you can write in whatever directly, and ignore the localization files.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:45 AM

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And what file would you call it from for example?

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I did that with the projectiletable and

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another table

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I forgot

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was a long time ago

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and never finished it

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:45 AM

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It would just be read directly from the file, ignoring its original setting.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:46 AM

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In the same way that I described regarding the planet classes right?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:46 AM

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But then it wouldn't update properly to be of much use.

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For cases like UNITS or whatever more variable IDs.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:47 AM

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I had the idea of doing that

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Like

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Just adding it in as a localization struct

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With a custom ID

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However...

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Then another question arises outta that

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Which is...

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What in particular says.... "Okay, UNITS grabs your actual unit count"

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I would think that something is telling the ID to do this or that

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Like what differentiates that from PLANET for example

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Another thing I'm searching for answers for within the files atm

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Lest it be hardcoded

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:48 AM

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In the case of planet, was it where it was before?

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I seem to recall ya said it was top left?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:49 AM

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The HUDHAZARD.MBIN has an ID called "PLANET"

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That is what grabs/calls the current planet that you're on

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Aside from the repositioning etc... and other stuff I did

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Normally it's on the bottom left

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But the source of that ID

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Like.. what tells it to grab the planet name?

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Is what I'm looking to find out

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:50 AM

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I think that's probably background, .exe-side.

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Was there something to it that indicated to ya otherwise?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:51 AM

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Maybe so, in the same way that the %PROCNAME% likely grabs something from the exe

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What do you mean?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:51 AM

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Like was there something to the way it was working that suggested it might be drawing from a preset pool of values/names?

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For weather conditions, I believe this is the case, but with proc names, not so much.

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Weather conditions/biome adjectives/etc.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:52 AM

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The ID called "PLANET" grabs the planet name

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Not sure if that answers your question?

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Like, it's possible to force a specific planet name that's static. It's using this struct

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                <Property value="GcNGuiTextData.xml">
                  <Property name="Data" value="GcNGuiElementData.xml">```

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However...

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W/o forcing a specific string, it will grab your current planet name's string

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:53 AM

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<Property value="GcNGuiLayerData.xml">
              <Property name="Data" value="GcNGuiElementData.xml">
                <Property name="ID" value="BESTPLANETYEAH" />``` 😛

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But yeah, what I was getting at is that if you're looking for the operation that draws from anything heavily proc-gen textwise, it's probably not visible around the files.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:55 AM

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I take that as an example right?
Because the "PLANET" ID requires the GcNGuiTextData struct

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Okay

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Yeah, I'm thinking that it's a procgen thing

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Because

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It's getting your planets proc name

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and displaying it on the hazardbar

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:55 AM

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At least, I've not found anything indicating as much. Anything that runs some light maths or proc-gen on text, seems to be .exe-side.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 7:56 AM

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Do you think the exe is handling the library of ID's?

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Or functions for those ID's

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Functions. We can find some of the IDs across the files.

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Probably has a more comprehensive array of the IDs, if I were to guess, but those that are most functional are probably right out here for us to mess with.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Fair enough. Yeah that makes sense

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Now...

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I think that the HUD.MBIN is the control center for the UI related MBINS that are being utilized in the game

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Wait

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I believe it's actually the ROOT.MBIN

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Actually

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:03 AM

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It probably varies between the GUI & HUD.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:03 AM

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I think it's the HUD.MBIN

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And the ROOT.MBIN handles other things

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The HUD.MBIN has stuff from the UI folder

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Like..

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                  <Property name="DataFilename" value="/UI/HUD/COMPONENTS/HUDHAZARDBAR.MBIN" />
                </Property>```

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For example

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While the ROOT.MBIN has

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Actually, nah I don't think that's right

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lol

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:04 AM

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lol

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root seems like it's a big file. 😮

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Yeah

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I've used it a few times for some mods

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But I knew what I was looking for

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The UI files are the largest xml's in the game

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I had to sort through 11 million lines of xml to make a particular mod

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:06 AM

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lol, "length: 49,604,316"

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:06 AM

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They had to use a tool to generate this xD

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:07 AM

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"lines: 597, 735"

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Oh yeah. Most of the files we're manually going through they pretty much certainly have better tools to work with.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:07 AM

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I would hope so

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Sifting through them made my eyes hurt

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But I'll do what it takes to get it to work

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At this point, I'm trying to make sense of everything

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Like... I understand the structs for the most part here

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But

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There's a lot more to learn

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:08 AM

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ctrl+f yo

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:09 AM

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lmbo

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:09 AM

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if only tho

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first sweep just gotta pore over and be like, "whaddya doin'"

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Well, there is one issue that I'm dealing with now

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Which is...

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Might suffice in a pic

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sec

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This stuff is madness

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From the outside in

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Loading up

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:11 AM

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Some of it, yeah. Some of it's just really obnoxious positioning without a Viewer so having to load in and check like a million times for each edit.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:12 AM

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Yeah I use cheat engine for that

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Still tedious

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but a lot better

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some stuff you have to load in for anyway though

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:13 AM

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Yup. =/ Trying to mess with scenes without Model Viewer would be the worst.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:13 AM

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In what aspect?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:13 AM

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Positioning stuff, mainly.

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Same with GUI, in a way.

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Except like ya said, CE can help with that, a little.

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You might be able to do similarly with models in scenes with CE, but that seems like overkill.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:15 AM

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Yeah, that would suck

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Okay so this is my current issue

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That I'm working on...

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Such a tiny, stupid, yet annoying issue that I'm thinking of how to bypass atm...

📎 275850_20180220031526_1.png

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Basically, as you can see... it grabbed the planet/or system name (didn't realize it would also get the system which is cool)

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But here's what I had to do in this case

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You see...

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On the right side, as you can see that the laser name is black (set within a specific ui mbin) - but the text for the laser name is located in the language file.

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However...

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On the left, it appears white.

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Now... that's not because of an rgb value

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It's because of how I had to set it up for the left side.

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What I ended up doing for this bootlegged way was

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Yep. And you're trying to figure out how to set it otherwise, I imagine, while still keeping it there.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Literally moving the hazard bar (rebooting like 50x to get it right smh) to the top left

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And hiding the other data

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Except the planet name

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However...

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If it was positined a bit further down

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The text would be black.

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:19 AM

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Is that because the planet/system info is nested in with the hazard bar?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:19 AM

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The HUD texture is making it look silverish

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Because it's overlaying the text in this situation

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Yeah

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It's nested in with the hazard bar, in that mbin, in this case

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:20 AM

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Mm, yeah, that's what I was thinking was going on there. It needs to be atop the texture rather than below it.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:20 AM

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What I'm currently thinking of is ways that I can do so

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:20 AM

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But then also somehow define its own color setting.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:20 AM

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Because

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If I move it down

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The text will be black

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It's kind of weird for the weapon name

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Because...

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On the right side.. the weapon name positioning is in the WEAPON.HUD

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The ID calls your current weapons name

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And the weapon names are in the language file

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Like take...

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LASER_NAME for example

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That's what I changed to L A Z E U S

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However, that same file is also calling the weapon.dds

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That custom texture

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The healthbar.mbin is what's calling the left HUD

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Yet.... I'm calling it through the hud hazard mbin

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Can you not tap directly into the healthbar.mbin and call the ID for the planet/system info, instead of moving the hazardbar?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:23 AM

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I'm thinking of trying that now

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Writing that sorta led my mind there lol

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too

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:23 AM

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That seems like it'd be the simplest route.

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Rather than shifting around entire parts, lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:23 AM

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The thing is...

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:23 AM

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And driving yourself mad.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:23 AM

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ol

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lol

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By default it's called in the hudhazard.mbin

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But what's odd is that...

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If I were to change the ID that handles the weapon

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"WEAPON" (located in HUDWEAPON)

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to "PLANET"

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It would go blank

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I sorta worry that trying that with the health bar would do the same

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Which is why I hesitated

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Hmm.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:24 AM

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health bar*

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:25 AM

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That's curious given that the multi-tool isn't that distinct from planets in terms of name-gen and renaming ability.

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Although given that you can find its parts in the lingo files, guess it's done a bit differently, if I understood ya right on that.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:26 AM

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This part isn't proc gen

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LASER, BOLTCASTER, for example

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The proc gen part is what's on the inside of the inventory

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or likely in some dialogs

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Aaah, yeah, that's right.

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I just never paid much attention to what it shows ya in the HUD.

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I just kinda knew, "okay mining laser, okay boltcaster, etc."

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Yeah same... It's weird to me that changing the ID "WEAPON" to the ID "PLANET" in the HUDWEAPON.MBIN would make it go blank for the right weapon HUD

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I would expect it to actually work

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And I wonder why it's working in the HUDHAZARD

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Well I think it's because it's expecting to draw from a fixed pool.

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Such as laser/boltcaster and not proc-gen names.

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But I dunno whether there's a tag in the file to change that behavior or not. I'm guessing not.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Maybe that's excluded from my list of options

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I gotta think of other ways to make the text appear in front of that dds

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Unless I just end up giving that a try in the health bar

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Is there any text that appears on the left health bar?

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I don't think so

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:31 AM

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You copied it over exactly when trying with weapons, yeah? E.g. xml <Property value="GcNGuiTextData.xml"> <Property name="Data" value="GcNGuiElementData.xml"> <Property name="ID" value="PLANET" /> <Property name="PresetID" value="DEFAULT" />

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:32 AM

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Yup

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That's what I did

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It's also using the textdata struct

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So it's the right struct

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:39 AM

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Yeah. Tryin' somethin' dumb.

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Unless you do something ridiculously stupid with the HUD stuff it doesn't CTD, yeah?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:41 AM

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Yeah

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I'm currently trying

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Replacing all the text structs

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with the "PLANET" ID

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in the weaponhud

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just to see if any of them work for it

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:42 AM

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lol! i got it partially working but not really all at once.

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it's just scrolling through: <Property name="Text" value="WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWXX" />

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:42 AM

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Wait

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With what file?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:43 AM

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With HUDWEAPONS.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:43 AM

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Hmm

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What did you do?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:43 AM

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I replaced the boltcaster entry spot with the planet entry.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:43 AM

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Is that it?

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Change any Booleans?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:44 AM

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This spot: xml <Property name="Data" value="GcNGuiElementData.xml"> <Property name="ID" value="WEAPON" /> <Property name="PresetID" value="DEFAULT" />

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Nope, just straight up copied over sections.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:44 AM

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Weird

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Because

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          <Property name="Image" value="" />
          <Property name="Text" value="BOLTCASTER" />
          <Property name="Special" value="False" />
        </Property>```

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Like if you replaced it with...

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:44 AM

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I think it loaded the right planet info as I loaded in, but was hidden by the black bars.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:44 AM

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WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWXX

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Special would normally need to be "True"

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For it to force the string

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weird

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Is it marked to true?

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Did you copy over the textdata struct in replacement of the GcNGuiElementData struct?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:48 AM

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I copied over the entire GcNGuiTextData struct.

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And replaced another TextData struct in the weapons file.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:48 AM

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Okay, yeah... I tried that too before... or something like it...

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but it worked?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:49 AM

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Yeah.

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Insofar as stuff showed.

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Instead of empty block.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:49 AM

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On the top right hud?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:49 AM

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Yeah, not positioned correctly at all, but yeah.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:49 AM

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Okay, was it the ammo?

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That you replaced

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:50 AM

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🤷

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:50 AM

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Only 5 textdata structs in the hudweapons

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I think you said weapon

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earlier

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:53 AM

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Sorry, had to dig back through to see where in the world it was nested, lol

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It's a child of WEAPON_LABEL

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:54 AM

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Yeah

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No problem and thanks

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:55 AM

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So...I get the sense that with a closer look, it may work for healthbar.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:55 AM

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Wait, you edited the child underneath weapon_label?

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and added the "PLANET" ID ?

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Or did you legit replace the "WEAPON" ID in there

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with the textdata struct from hudhazard.mbin

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:57 AM

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Under weapon_label there's WEAPON, DEFAULT.

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I just replaced that.

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With literally the entire struct.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:57 AM

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Oh wait, faceplam

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I didn't see it because I already did it

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:57 AM

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From HUDHAZARD.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:57 AM

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lol

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:58 AM

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lol

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That's what had me lost for a sec.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:58 AM

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Yeah, this here right?

                <Property value="GcNGuiTextData.xml">
                  <Property name="Data" value="GcNGuiElementData.xml">
                    <Property name="ID" value="PLANET" />
                    <Property name="PresetID" value="" />
                    <Property name="IsHidden" value="False" />
                    <Property name="Layout" value="GcNGuiLayoutData.xml">
                      <Property name="PositionX" value="75" />
                      <Property name="PositionY" value="0" />
                      <Property name="Width" value="420" />
                      <Property name="WidthPercentage" value="False" />
                      <Property name="Height" value="0" />
                      <Property name="HeightPercentage" value="False" />
                      <Property name="ConstrainProportions" value="False" />
                      <Property name="ConstrainAspect" value="1" />
                      <Property name="Anchor" value="True" />
                      <Property name="AnchorPercent" value="False" />
                      <Property name="SameLine" value="False" />
                      <Property name="Align" value="TkNGuiAlignment.xml">
                        <Property name="Vertical" value="Top" />
                        <Property name="Horizontal" value="Left" />
                      </Property>
                      <Property name="SlowCursorOnHover" value="False" />
                    </Property>
                  </Property>```

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 8:58 AM

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Had to be sure I wasn't mixing up which file I was looking at.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:58 AM

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Yeah, I confused myself for a sec lol

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:00 AM

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Uhh, not exactly that, like it goes on and on. The entire GcNGuiTextData struct, but it's ID Planet & PresetID Default.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:00 AM

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Yeah, I figured

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Because

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There's no other way it would've said

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XXXWWWWXZZZ or some crazy stuff

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like in the actual struct

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lol

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So

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Copying the full thing over now

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This right?

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https://pastebin.com/VUHLNUtw

Pastebin

[MXML]

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Just got it to compile

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about to test

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:04 AM

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🤔 I'm not sure why the PresetID isn't Default for you, but yeah, looks right otherwise.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:04 AM

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I took it out before

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I wanted to see what would happen

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Not sure what it's for yet

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Nothing happened though that I noticed

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Good catch

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:06 AM

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I assumed default might be part of how it pulls the proc-gen info, which is why I've kept it there.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:06 AM

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Okay, so on the right side... I see it too now

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📎 275850_20180220040557_1.png

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Now, I'm curious to see what broke it

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And if it's repairable

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Oh, I see

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I actually thought that too before

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I deleted it to see if it would breka it

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break

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But

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Now idk

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Yeah I'm not entirely clear why it's loading the filler text there, lol

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It works on left side too, with the filler text.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:08 AM

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You just tried?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:08 AM

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Mhm.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:08 AM

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Healthbar?

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Another thing that I noticed is..

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"WEAPON" is calling the weapon.dds

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:08 AM

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📎 NMS_2018-02-20_04-08-13.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:08 AM

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But the dds isn't specified in this file atm

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oh nice

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It's weird

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:09 AM

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I think it may be due to being nested...Something higher up the chain must be doing somethin'.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:09 AM

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Lol saw this inside off HG's shiphud

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https://i.imgur.com/qTZJB8T.png

Imgur

2018-02-20 - 04.09.39 ~ Cropped Capture

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Saw it a long time ago...

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But just saw it again

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The heck were these guys doing? xD

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Similar stuff we're doing now probably.

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Trying to get GUI shit to work properly, lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Lmno

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Lmbo

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If it works within the hazardbar

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hudhazard*

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Don't see why it isn't in the healthbar or the weaponhud

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weird

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:12 AM

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?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Meaning

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The planet ID

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In this case

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Like, isn't it exactly the same?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:15 AM

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Same as that goofy text?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:15 AM

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Like

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It works fine through the hudhazard

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in vanilla

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Just don't see why it messes up in the other two

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yet

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Especially since the struct is the same

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Just copied over

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I actually ran into this in the past

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When trying the exact same thing

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wher e it broke like this

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:18 AM

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Hmm. I'm not spotting anything between these that indicates why it would show like this.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:18 AM

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Unless maybe the issue is from replcaing it with the "WEAPON" ?

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I sorta wonder if it would be necesarry to

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make a new ui mbin specifically for it

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and add it to the game

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But that's an entire new nightmare

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to deal with

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Which I lack the energy for... lol

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:20 AM

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Hmm, maybe. Checking something atm.

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Doesn't look the worst tbh. Can copy over a bunch of stuff and just change some values to get it around the right spots.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Just realized that I've been nonstop trying to figure this out for 11 1/2 hours xD

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W/o a break

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Oh, I see

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Wait, no I don't

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:21 AM

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I see! I'm blind, FUCK, AAAH.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Could you elaborate a bit more on what you mean?

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Huh?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Makin' a dumb joke. 😛

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Oh lol

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I thought you all of a sudden figured out the answer to this maddening mystery

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lol

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Got excited for a sec xD

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:22 AM

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But yeah, what I was getting at was like slicing out the details from say healthbar and then just adding planet stuff to the child of the main parent.

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And seeing if it can load from there, somehow.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:23 AM

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What about legit just adding the struct

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Additionally

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Damn, that simple idea I had for this just now didn't make it click. I tried removing the HEALTH from HUDHEALTH, see if that would work, but no go.

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Same error in loading the info.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:24 AM

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Ahh

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Darnit

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Initially, what I was considering was finding a way to make that text not have the left hud overlaying it, and then figuring out how to add a new mbin to the hud with a mostly vanilla hudhazard.mbin for the bottom left, while still keeping the custom one (with everything nulled out but the repositioned "PLANET" ID info on the top left).

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since it would be on the top instead

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But the only thing holding me back atm is that stupid overlay

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Just had an idea

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I wonder if in the HUD.MBIN or the ROOT.MBIN

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:28 AM

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What baffles me is that HUDHAZARD doesn't even have a parent id/preset id going on above PLANET/DEFAULT stuff.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:28 AM

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The datafile has a load order

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depending on the order it's called in

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Ah

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Yeah, no idea

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Checking now

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Weird

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in the HUD.MBIN

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/UI/HUD/HUDHAZARD.MBIN is being called 4x

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Wait I see why

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Because each ID specified in here is linking to the datafile name/MBIN

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Also

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Why is the planet ID in here too

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no clue what it's for

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lol

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:31 AM

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Yeaah.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:31 AM

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It's literally like

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:31 AM

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lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:31 AM

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the other file

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:31 AM

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I'm trying something dumb again outta curiosity.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:31 AM

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Curious to know what the outcome of it is

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I just tried setting the planet ID to hidden

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:33 AM

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lol!

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:33 AM

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in the HUD.MBIN

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About to see what happens

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And ?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:33 AM

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broke as hell, but...Something.

📎 NMS_2018-02-20_04-33-23.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:33 AM

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The fudge?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:34 AM

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Heh. So I had a thought, if it's not in the file itself, where in the world else might it be, and I thought, well, filename?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:34 AM

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I think I can finally see the end of this dark cave

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Wait, what?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:34 AM

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So I renamed HUDHEALTH to HUDHAZARD.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:34 AM

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0.o

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Maybe that has to do with the HUD.MBIN

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Or ROOT.MBIN?

#

Interesting!

#

Wait, did you rename the modified HUDHEALTH file that?

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With that struct ported over

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To HUDHAZARD

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?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:36 AM

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So with HUDHEALTH, I brought over the struct, but it wasn't appearing properly.

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So I said screw it and renamed it to HUDHAZARD, yeah.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:36 AM

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In the UI > HUD directory?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:37 AM

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Yeah. Well, a duplicated mod directory version of that, but yeah.

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Trying something again right now. Probably will see the same screwbally effect, tbh.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:37 AM

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A duplicate directory?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:38 AM

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I have a modding directory full of subfolders of different project folders with duplicated NMS directories for repacking.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:38 AM

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Ah

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:38 AM

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Okay, yeah, this is on the right-ish track, I think.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:39 AM

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I'm trying to get a clear picture of what you did, like.. did you rename the HUDHEALTH to HUDHAZARD?

#

In the

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UI > HUD directory?

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To get loaded

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This appears to be on the right track indeed

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I'm a bit confused though because

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If you renamed the file

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How is it being called

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Maybe, maybe, maybe these files don't need to be called

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:41 AM

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Well, it's dumb, but I'm pretty positive it's overwriting the existing HUDHAZARD, so there needs to be a solution found for working around that.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:41 AM

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I'm still confused

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Um

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:41 AM

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But it's a good proof of concept in part.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:41 AM

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Wait, can you clarify what you did again?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:43 AM

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I copied over the planet struct from HUDHAZARD to HUDHEALTH to get it in the right position. It wouldn't render the name with that filename, however, so I said screw it and renamed HUDHEALTH to HUDHAZARD. It's now reading the file as HUDHAZARD.MBIN, which solves part of the problem, but creates another by essentially "overwriting" the base HUDHAZARD.MBIN. Same way as any pak "overwrites" base files.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:45 AM

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So, renaming HUDHAZARD to HUDHEALTH still loaded the file?

#

What does the directory look like?

#

Do you have a screenshot?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:45 AM

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There we...Almost go.

📎 NMS_2018-02-20_04-45-33.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:45 AM

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That's what I'm confused about

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Like I would picture renaming a modifiedd HUDHAZARD.MBIN to load the vanilla one instead o.o

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:46 AM

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📎 explorer_2018-02-20_04-46-11.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:46 AM

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Thanks!

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That's weird man

#

And you're not running unpacked right?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:47 AM

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Nah.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:47 AM

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Which struct did you replace in HUDHEALTH?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:47 AM

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I don't think I had to in there.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:47 AM

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And that's bizarre

#

how the game loaded it under a different name

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:48 AM

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In HUDHEALTH I just added it as a direct child.

#

What I'm thinking though is that if we can find a way to set this about in HUD.MBIN it might work more cleanly...? 🤔

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:49 AM

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I have no idea

#

but

#

You are saying that the filename is irrelevant with the UI?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:50 AM

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lol you're makin' lotsa mechy noise

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:50 AM

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ooops

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:51 AM

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Well what I'm thinking is...Hmm. Well, gimme a sec.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:52 AM

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This stuff is complexicated. -_-

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:52 AM

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aagh this hud file is stupid large, lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Also, a direct parent of....

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:53 AM

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It's takin'...Oh wait, duh.

#

I should close NMS. That's probably not helping.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:53 AM

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typo

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direct parent of

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  <Property name="Data" value="GcNGuiElementData.xml">
    <Property name="ID" value="HEALTH" />
    <Property name="PresetID" value="" />
    <Property name="IsHidden" value="False" />
    <Property name="Layout" value="GcNGuiLayoutData.xml">
      <Property name="PositionX" value="0" />
      <Property name="PositionY" value="0" />
      <Property name="Width" value="600" />
      <Property name="WidthPercentage" value="False" />
      <Property name="Height" value="300" />
      <Property name="HeightPercentage" value="False" />
      <Property name="ConstrainProportions" value="False" />
      <Property name="ConstrainAspect" value="1" />
      <Property name="Anchor" value="True" />
      <Property name="AnchorPercent" value="False" />
      <Property name="SameLine" value="False" />
      <Property name="Align" value="TkNGuiAlignment.xml">
        <Property name="Vertical" value="Top" />
        <Property name="Horizontal" value="Left" />
      </Property>
      <Property name="SlowCursorOnHover" value="False" />
    </Property>
  </Property>``` ?

#

omgosh

#

Just made the same typo

#

really need to wake up

#

lol

#

direct child*

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:59 AM

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Uh, yes.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:59 AM

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Just made it a direct child of that

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:59 AM

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Sorry, parsing data.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:59 AM

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About to load up

#

No problem

#

thx

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 9:59 AM

#

So: I think I have a rough idea of how this works.

#

I need to put it to the test though.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 9:59 AM

#

Cool!

#

And just to be sure... the game auto recognized it?

#

You didn't edit a loading path string?

#

to the renamed file?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:01 AM

#

Nah, yeah, kept it simple & stupid.

#

Okay, think I've parsed this sufficiently for duplication-ish, test...

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:01 AM

#

cool beans

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:04 AM

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ugh, notepad++ does not like this file.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:04 AM

#

Weird!

#

📎 275850_20180220050356_1.png

#

It loaded it twice haha

#

This is really bizarre

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:09 AM

#

okay, phew, had to just restart Notepad++.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:09 AM

#

Just had an idea

#

What if I made the planet

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:09 AM

#

I, uh, apparently was trying too much at once, lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:09 AM

#

the only struct

#

😮

#

Yeah

#

I hate it when notepad++ does that

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:10 AM

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Ya can give it a go, not sure it'll pan out tho.

#

I'm pretty positive that'll take ya back to WWWWWWWWWWWWWXXXX.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Just gotta get it to compile first

#

lol

#

Figure anything out?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:19 AM

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About to see.

#

Well on the positive side it didn't break anything to cause a CTD. The downside: I missed a line to change, lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:24 AM

#

Niceee

#

Oh

#

I'm about to test now

#

with

#

A lot of stuff set to hidden

#

It's getting there

📎 275850_20180220052556_1.png

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:26 AM

#

I think I literally just emptied out the HUDHEALTH file, lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:26 AM

#

Did you get it to compile?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:27 AM

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Well, I mean I dumped the other children, that is.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:27 AM

#

I usually have trouble deleting mass xml blocks and getting it to compille when I've been up really long

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:27 AM

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So what you're setting to hidden, I probably just cut completely.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:27 AM

#

Yeah

#

Gonna see if it can be made black

#

hope it doesn't do the same thing

#

lol

#

Oh gosh

#

It's still doing it -_-

#

📎 275850_20180220053308_1.png

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:34 AM

#

lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:34 AM

#

I wonder

#

if I renamed it to something else?

#

Just renamed it to HUDHAZARDPIZZA

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:37 AM

#

Trying a similar-ish idea, but with a little more to it than that.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:37 AM

#

HUDHAZARDPIZZA did not work

#

did not load

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:37 AM

#

Didn't think it would.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:37 AM

#

guess it has to be an existing file

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:38 AM

#

Hoping this extra trick might work...

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:43 AM

#

Just tried making it the parent

#

Testing

#

Maybe that will prevent overlay

#

nah it ended up weird

#

Making it the parent strangely

#

did this 0.o

#

📎 275850_20180220054724_1.png

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Top right

#

And I did this in the HUDHEALTH

#

0.o

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:48 AM

#

wat

#

lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:48 AM

#

I renamed HUD health to HUDHAZARD

#

with the planet struct

#

as the parent

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:48 AM

#

Trying another variation on this running idea.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:48 AM

#

the heck

#

xD

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:49 AM

#

Well, different from what you're poking about with, but...Yeah. The running idea I've not mentioned in detail so far because I've not got it working.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:51 AM

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Ah

#

Yeah this is werid

#

The heck?

#

Someone just posted a Youtube link to my video on my video xD

#

In the comments

#

Still messin around with this

#

Yeah, hopefully your idea works

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 10:56 AM

#

Hmm. This should be curious to say the least.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:59 AM

#

Yeah?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Certainly not the result I was aiming for. It did reveal you can sort of duplicate parts of the HUD...But the functionality doesn't get duplicated, oddly enough.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:02 AM

#

Ah I see

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:03 AM

#

HUD[x].MBINs seem to have the final say in where certain elements are positioned, and whether they appear at all. The settings in the HUD.MBIN are sort of fallbacks, it seems.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:03 AM

#

Fallbacks?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:05 AM

#

Wait...I wonder...

#

This will probably end up being a null test, but eh.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:08 AM

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Hmmm

#

-_-

#

The things I go through for the simplest of things

#

lol

#

Any luck?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:27 AM

#

lol, I made a quick pak and then realized I wanted some other changes and so made another before I even tried that one. Regardless, this one should work. It's not as slick as I'd wanted, but eh. Loading in now.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:27 AM

#

Testing with some of the Booleans Altered

#

Oh cool

#

Hopefully so

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Positioning will require some work, of course, but more concerned with getting stuff on-screen first.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Yeah for sure

#

That's the easier part

#

lol

#

nAH DIDN'T WORK

#

Nah, didn't work

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:33 AM

#

Heh.

#

Mine worked, but the results were askew. I was hoping I might be able to display data twice, but it looks like ya can't. Otherwise worked as I'd hoped.

#

Loading in with single data display to see...

#

Alright, yeah, here we go.

#

📎 NMS_2018-02-20_06-34-39.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:35 AM

#

Hmmm

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:35 AM

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You simply can't display the planet name info twice, for whatever dumb reason.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:35 AM

#

I see

#

The only problem that I can picture is

#

I bet it would still overlap

#

I mean

#

be overlayed :/

#

At-least with what I'm testing

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:36 AM

#

That's a problem somewhere in how you've set the texture to display.

#

I think.

#

Because each of these, the text is atop the texture, y'know?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:37 AM

#

Ah okay

#

Maybe I can edit the

#

HEALTHBORDERS.DDs

#

path

#

in the ui file

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:41 AM

#

Regardless, you can isolate the planet data and set it under its own GcNGuiLayerData node and then adjust the positioning from there.

#

Might require some additional editing in HUD.MBIN.

#

Currently trying to check that.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:43 AM

#

Thanks

#

Not sure about that

#

I think the planet data needs a text struct?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:57 AM

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It does, you place it as a child to a GcNGuiLayerData node.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Yeah

#

I have it as a child already

#

Just looked

#

The first child in the HUDHEALTH

#

But it still is getting overlayed by something

#

Unless I did something different?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:00 PM

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When ya say HUDHEALTH, ya mean HUDHEALTH but renamed, yeah?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:01 PM

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Yeah

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Renamed to HUDHAZARD

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:11 PM

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Where are you drawing in the textures, anyway?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:11 PM

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What do you mean?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:12 PM

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As in, which file are the textures being called in.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:12 PM

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For the health bar?

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My modded health bar (w/o recent changes)

📎 HUDHEALTH.exml

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With recent changes

📎 HUDHAZARD.exml

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Which produces this effect on the top left

📎 275850_20180220053308_1.png

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It's calling the HEALTHBARS.DDS

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Which is that top left HUD

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:14 PM

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Hmm.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:17 PM

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I had the idea of trying to move the .DDS to a struct after the struct that contains the "PLANET" ID

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But my mind is too tired to get it to compile atm lol

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Might have to take a nap first as I've been at it for like 15 hours straight xD

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But then again... maybe not. Idk

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Any idea what's up?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:21 PM

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Was mostly looking at the way the Featherbox.dds is configured.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:21 PM

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Oh okay, cool

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:22 PM

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As that's doing roughly what you're after, just with a different texture & probably different settings.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Could it possibly be because it's a child of the health bar

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:22 PM

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You might simply copy over its settings, adjust positioning, and change the filepath to the custom texture?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:23 PM

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As repositioning it puts it behind the healthborders.dds

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Oh good idea

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I'll give that a go really soon

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Also, the struct at the top/beginning of the xml seems to handle the entire health order.dds

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Same alike the weapon.dds

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If you were to adjust the positioning

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It would move that entire side of the hud

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:28 PM

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Yeah, parent struct handles bulk of positioning/alignment, etc.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:28 PM

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Which is why I sorta thought that it being a child of that might be why it's behind

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What do you think about that?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:29 PM

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Doesn't follow, looking at the example of the HUDHAZARD.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:29 PM

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Hmm, what do you mean?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:31 PM

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Text as children to textures there appear atop the texture.

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Rather than a faint gray behind the translucent box.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:32 PM

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In the HUDHAZARD?

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Right

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Like for the tempetatures

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Mainval

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Val1, Val2, val3

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Writing by memory ATM

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Away from the pc

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Butp

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But

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Those on the hazard box

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Are overlaying the texture

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Rather than being overlayed by the texture

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:35 PM

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Hrrm. 🤔 Trying to figure out how to expand the layout boundaries for these elements.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Width, Height, padding?

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I adjusted some of those things for the inventory in the last

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Past

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"Sleep typing "

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:41 PM

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wtf does position even really do. 🤔

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:42 PM

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X and y moves it around

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Tedious to adjust

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:43 PM

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I don't think so.

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I was moving it around with height just now, lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Had to do a lot of it for the huds

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:44 PM

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I know that's what it should do, but...Yeah.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Up/down left/right

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But

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Some seem to have a limit

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In their boundaries

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:45 PM

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I'm checking something now, as I think I was right earlier about the HUD.MBIN fallback.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Which is why I'm going through this hassle

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Becausw

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Aha, I was...Both right and sort of wrong, lol

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:45 PM

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If I was able to reposition the hazard bar planet name all the way up without it cutting off

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Would've been done 😂

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Oh yeah?

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:46 PM

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This gnarly fellow:

<Property name="Align" value="TkNGuiAlignment.xml">
      </Property>```

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Has a stupid amount of influence.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 12:46 PM

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Interesting

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Will def take a look In there soon

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Lemme know if you figure anything else out

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 12:48 PM

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It's across pretty much all these hud files.

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It takes priority over even the positional settings, to a degree.

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Like even when I threw out the X/Y Position settings for HUDHAZARD, it remained in the lower left.

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 1:05 PM

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Yeah, toss the alignment settings. Great tool, but miserable for heavier customization.

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I think they may be part of what limit the elements to their awkward confines.

ruby torrent Feb 20, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Hey RaYRoDTV I been reading what you have posted on here and did you really bring back the time.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:26 PM

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@supple wadi Sorry, I fell asleep. That's an awesome find, if it's that way! I messed with that struct a lot, but didn't think that it might be held back within the HUD.MBIN, despite the isolated UI MBINS. I am not testing around with that removed to see if it stops it from being restricted/limited.

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@ruby torrent Hey, I did restore it. But I need to adjust/polish it up. I got sidetracked studying other aspects of UI content. 😃

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Sadly it's still limited

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 10:24 PM

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@supple wadi o.o

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📎 275850_20180220172400_1.png

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It's also lagging the game like crazy xD

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10fps

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the heck?

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I have an idea tho

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I do recall also adding a custom texture into the HUD

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Like, editing the actual HUD texture for the healthbar and weapon bar

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To make it a bit lighter

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But, maybe... that's why it's doing that

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Going to try deleting the white texture in the .dds

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And just specifying it via the ui file

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I bet it will work xD

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It fixed that issue -_-

warm thistle Feb 20, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Found this little guy swimming about, started stalking me relentlessly

📎 20180220180518_1.jpg

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📎 20180214222948_1.jpg

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📎 20180220180509_1.jpg

west moat Feb 20, 2018, 11:10 PM

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Omg you can drive under water?.? Wow why haven’t I tried that

inland sky Feb 20, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Yep, roamer and colossus can drive underwater, nomad floats on top

marsh aurora Feb 20, 2018, 11:18 PM

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You can dive with the Nomad if you trickshot

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Than it suddenly is the fastest underwater vehicle

unique forge Feb 20, 2018, 11:19 PM

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very true

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first time i went with my nomad i accidentaly made a nosedive into the water (my planet is basically an archipelago)
and gdi it was fun.

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i was freaking out but fun either way

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Um... sorry to bother you, but could I please receive some help with your v10 overhaul, @dreamy tulip? I was told I could join this discord, and ask you directly after I made a thread on the subreddit. I'm not entirely sure if I'm allowed to post links here, but the post is still recently listed in the #nms-reddit-feed channel. I'm Flannery_Moore on reddit.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Hi @random flint

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I have a question

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Okay

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Are you using a purchased GOG build?

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:41 PM

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No, it's the one they released for free.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:42 PM

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You are on the 1.37 patch?

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:42 PM

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1.38 right now.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Wait, just re-read

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Says 1.38

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How did you install NMS?

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:43 PM

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I used the installer, provided by GoG:

📎 OUnm7dH.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:43 PM

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Okay, so this isn't a cracked version right?

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Nope, just DRM free as far as I'm aware.

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I'd have to register an account to use online stuff.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:44 PM

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I only ask because if so, there's a certain update install heirarchy. I own the game on Steam though.
What is in your binaries folder?

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Cool, that's good.

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:45 PM

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📎 vPnF3Wa.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Do you have Geoforce experience installed?

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:46 PM

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I do right now, yes. Initially I didn't. I wanted to see if clicking on 'optimise game' did any good.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Okay, cool

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Also, the client freezes in the galactic map... or just before anything loads?

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Literally just clicking on the shortcut to open the game is when it freezes. I click it, the client opens, then it hangs there for a second or two and crashes to the desktop.,

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Can't access the game at all lol.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:48 PM

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That's really bizarre. Just curious, have you tried re-installing the game?
@inland sky Do you know of any 1.38 compatible only mods?

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I'm trying to figure out if 1.38 is installed properly.

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:49 PM

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Yup, that was something I listed in my steps.

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I tried two other mods, too.

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They both worked

inland sky Feb 20, 2018, 11:49 PM

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Haven't really looked for any so not sure

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:50 PM

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These two:
No pause when alt-tabbed mod.
A 'trainer', made for the 1.37 patch.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Yeah, this is a bizarre issue.

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Both worked on 1.38

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Okay, the first is a mod I made

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You aren't still using that right?

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Just curious, as I didn't see it in the binaries

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The first was ce based

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:51 PM

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Nope, the only .pak file is your overhaul. And um, the no pause mod was a cheat engine file thing.

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It has your name on it, though

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:51 PM

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Okay, how about this

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I'll inbox you quick

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Can't

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Just sent you a friend request

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I'll send you something that might fix it

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:53 PM

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When did they release a free copy? 🤔

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:53 PM

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📎 PFmPaBc.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:54 PM

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Oh yeah

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I sent you a friend request

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That will fix it, I think it's your settings

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Also, @supple wadi

📎 275850_20180220183818_1.png

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:54 PM

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You still have the issue of now missing the HUDHAZARD tho, yeah?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:54 PM

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Yeah, now I need to find a way to get the hazardbar to load

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as an additional file

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Haha, yeaah, that's what I kept working away at after ya left.

echo oxide Feb 20, 2018, 11:55 PM

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It does look good enough

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Whale, it may, but you totally lose the life support/hazard indicators.

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Which are kinda important, lol

echo oxide Feb 20, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Hated them anyway

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:55 PM

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It was a stupid texture blocking it

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Haha.

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Adjustment in paint . net

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.<

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:56 PM

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The translucency, or...?

random flint Feb 20, 2018, 11:56 PM

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@dreamy tulip Well, it shows that there's an outgoing request to you. Nothing from you, though.

📎 phadqbJ.png

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:56 PM

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That's why it was appearing as white

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it was filled

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Oh, there we go

supple wadi Feb 20, 2018, 11:56 PM

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So yeah, the translucent texture ya tried to work with?

dreamy tulip Feb 20, 2018, 11:58 PM

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I had to delete the white glossing texture

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I put in the middle

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I can just replicate that in the actual UI file I believe

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It was in the way of that text

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Explains why in early footage they didn't do it that way

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 12:00 AM

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my secret plot to have you get rid of it worked. 😛

cobalt mist Feb 21, 2018, 12:00 AM

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ohno

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 12:00 AM

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also blergh these coordinates

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 12:02 AM

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Haha

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The coords?

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Where?

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Also

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Did you figure out how to do it?

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I'm considering adding it in as a datafilename

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Like trying a vanilla HUDHAZARD

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as HUDHAZARD2 or something

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 12:07 AM

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I tried that a bit ago.

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I just mean the x/y/width/height stuff. They're utterly bizarre.

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Some work as expected, after a few adjustments, but then also with height/width in some arcane fashion.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 12:09 AM

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You tried what I mentioned already?

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 12:11 AM

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Pretty sure I did.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 12:12 AM

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@random flint

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/377229206351773696/415654660603510784/OUnm7dH.png

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Is that the only file you installed?

random flint Feb 21, 2018, 12:12 AM

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Yup.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Okay

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That explains the issue

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That's 1.3

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There should be a 1.38 update file

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The game version must be 1.3, but not 1.38 (one of the extra patches after 1.3)

random flint Feb 21, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Oh, okay.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 12:14 AM

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Which would invoke a ctd and explain why it didn't work with the test .pak I sent

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From only my metadata folder in my source

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You don't see an update file?

random flint Feb 21, 2018, 12:15 AM

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No, there's just that. It's listed as the most recent for me.

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That would explain it though, thank you.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 12:16 AM

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My pleasure, you'll need to get your hands on that update file or so

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As it's required for most mods at this time, and also to have HG's new updates

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@supple wadi Are you still testing with the UI?

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 12:22 AM

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Yeah, messing about with it.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Cool, just got back

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Gonna try more stuff

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Uggh.

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This is so dumb.

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So you can't seem to duplicate these components or their subcomponents. It just breaks it. It can't read out the data twice, so far as I can tell.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Just found what's telling the game to load the HUDHAZARD

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Oh?

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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It's in the HUD.MBIN

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Yes

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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lol

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HUDHAZARD overwrites that.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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I renamed my modded file to HUDHAZARD.MBIN, and changed the filename in the HUD.MBIN to HUDHAZARD1.MBIN

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And added a vanilla HUDHAZARD.MBIN, but renamed to HUDHAZARD1.MBIN

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and it loaded that instead of my modified file

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So, I'm thinking about utilizing one of the extra datafilename slots

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for the modified one to test

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                          <Property name="Image" value="/TEXTURES/UI/HUD/CHARGEARROW2.DDS" />
                          <Property name="Children" />
                          <Property name="DataFilename" value="" />
                        </Property>
                      </Property>
                      <Property name="DataFilename" value="" />
                    </Property>
                  </Property>
                  <Property name="DataFilename" value="" />
                </Property>
              </Property>
              <Property name="DataFilename" value="/UI/HUD/COMPONENTS/HUDHAZARDBAR.MBIN" />
            </Property>
          </Property>
          <Property name="DataFilename" value="/UI/HUD/HUDHAZARD.MBIN" />
        </Property>
      </Property>
      <Property name="DataFilename" value="/UI/HUD/HUDHAZARD1.MBIN" />
    </Property>```

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About to test with this

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Hoping it loads both

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 1:14 AM

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Mm. A different approach to what I've tried, so maybe. But I'm doubtful, given my experiments.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 1:15 AM

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Nope, didn't work

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Need to verify that's the place

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I just redirected both paths to a modded file

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Nah

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Didn't work

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Weird man

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Haha, thought so. Given the slight difference in placement I didn't wanna tell ya to avoid it.

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But I did try something of the sort earlier.

topaz oxide Feb 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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I fell sad.. modding is not on PS4

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Also, another thing...

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The ui files themselves have datafiles

topaz oxide Feb 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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😢

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Here's a fun thing: if you gut the individual files, it does fall back to the settings in there to render the HUD.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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What do you mean?

supple wadi Feb 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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So I gutted HUDHAZARD.MBIN altogether, and it was still able to render it despite that via the HUD.MBIN.

dreamy tulip Feb 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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How did you gut it?

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Wouldn't it just load it from the filesystem?

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Oh