It’s just repeating the same “sentence” of glyphs multiple times
#nms-spoilers
upper void
unborn gale
yeah just one code
upper void
So that code must be very important
compact coyote
We just have to find out what it meanssssssssss
sturdy acorn
i still stand behind the idea that each symbol represents a letter or idea in a language
upper void
Imma try to analyze every frame
formal knot
I think that something is gonna happen with the weeknd mission tomorrow
compact coyote
looks like were in for an ARG boys and girls
sturdy acorn
weekend mission?
unborn gale
i mentioned earlier that maybe the symbols are all in different languages which correlate to a specific word to create a sentence.
sturdy acorn
the nabla symbol isn't part of any language afaik, it's a mathematical symbol
old canopy
hmm
formal knot
old canopy
formal knot
says scoby doo
bleak gorge
Hahahaha
unborn gale
oh by the way i never found anything for Black Mirror besides the White Bear symbol but doesn't resemble anything close to any of the glyphs here
bleak gorge
Alright gang, let’s split up!
upper void
The NO_SIGNAL thing is at exactly 1:00
unborn gale
ps ill be back in two hours and then i have the reast of the night to work on this see ya gang
wheat slate
fringe notch
Well done, I had a similar feeling
sturdy acorn
ohh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345378190568587275/733449616883974231/image0.png here's the highlighted image again for those who need it
the 5th one might be gemini then
#7? yeah
idle jay
Try it yeah
upper void
Also have we considered the possibility that the final code will be read right to left instead of left to right?
We don’t know what language this is so who knows how it’s read
sturdy acorn
that should be considered once we can actually figure out what the symbols are
bleak gorge
Hey aren’t there symbols like this in game on space stations and what not?
idle jay
We can take that into consideration
bleak gorge
And even the new derelict freighters?
sturdy acorn
it could be ingame, yeah
upper void
Have we considered looking through:
- The symbols on stations and freighters, ingame stuff
- Other trailers
sturdy acorn
4th glyph returns nothing close
idle jay
How about the others?
old canopy
here's the original shot I took without the sketching over the top, some of the lines I drew might not actually be present
second one for example could be drawn a few different ways
sturdy acorn
hmm
#10 returned nothing as well
though shapecatcher only has 11k unicode characters
while there's 144k total
severe sun
a substantial number of them are kanji
Kanji tend to be complex, the glyphs here are simple
gloomy isle
I mean, if its a word maybe we can work it out by seeing if symbols repeat, and how long the word is?
uncut harness
very cool find everyone
old canopy
What are all the old WT sites?
myriad-70
atlas-65
echo-64
ware tech... is there a list somewhere? Wondering if any are still active
uncut harness
subluminal?
sturdy acorn
subluminal?
compact coyote
superlumina-6c
old canopy
nm, got it
compact coyote
yeah, i miss that stuff
glass flare
i checked wakingtitan already, it seems to have a DNS issue. but the domain is still registered
upper void
be back in a bit
severe sun
@gloomy isle I had a quick look, there are over 1000 possibilities based on the fact we know one of the symbols repeats
compact coyote
sad how the ARG ended as well
old canopy
ok, just checked all the old sites, they're all dead
severe sun
Unless the letter is b
gloomy isle
Ah damn
severe sun
$ grep ^b.......b.$ /usr/share/dict/words
basiotribe
sturdy acorn
so we're looking for a 10-letter word where letters 1 and 9 are the same?
severe sun
I can generate the whole list, won't take me a minute
sturdy acorn
alright
gloomy isle
We can have a bit of a look
Maybe we find something that fits but we'll still have to try and decode so we know we're not totally off
compact coyote
glass flare
why would 1 and 9 be the same? what is symbol 9?
sturdy acorn
atlas codex drew 1 and 9 the same, but it doesn't look that way so it might not be
though it's worth a try anyway
anyway, TIL basiotripsy is a thing
old canopy
@sturdy acorn yeah, unsure whether it's the same, in this second frame it looks like it could be
uncut harness
yeah I don't think WT is coming back nor is it involved in this, but this is still an enticing mystery
old canopy
🤔
sturdy acorn
WT is most likely separate, though they may use similar methods
compact coyote
yeah i think this is all something new. maybe will be an arg ? who knows
uncut harness
the only loose thread w/ WT that could connect is the superlumina text, with all this talk about antagonistic forces coming to NMS (I think)
but that would be super high quality planning
severe sun
$ wc -l wordlist
1390 wordlist
@sturdy acorn : https://pastebin.com/raw/nqcuRtuQ
sturdy acorn
oh, i found the post of the glyphs on the subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/hshx3d/the_desolation_trailer_and_its_secrets_info_in/ only 4 comments sadly
chrome ice
I definitely don’t think waking titan is coming back but I definitely now agree these mean something
severe sun
My money is on Winklehawk tbh
compact coyote
i was like 13 when WT started. surprised i could figure things out
sturdy acorn
the winklehawk definition on UD is..interesting
old canopy
hmm, do the new titles each have a unique glyph?
sturdy acorn
no, it's all the same
old canopy
👍
severe sun
kinda looks like a unown
glossy ice
it does!
compact coyote
all very interesting things. hope we can decode this soon.
cursive kernel
I am the warden of glass
sturdy acorn
tried slowing down the glitchy part of the desolation trailer at 1:07 to 0.08x
nothing of significance
anything?
gloomy isle
Doesn't sound connected
sturdy acorn
nope
psi probably isn't related to this
then again, we don't have any better ideas
hybrid pendant
soo about this text in the video?
gloomy isle
Still not sure what it is
sturdy acorn
we haven't made any progress on the text
hybrid pendant
we need to progress in this shit
sturdy acorn
spectrogram on the trailer returns nothing of significance
html on the NMS website is normal
sturdy acorn
so this is our only path i believe
severe sun
Looks like freighters are deterministic, used the first emergency beacon, went to the nexus, got another, used it straight away
same ship both times
gloomy isle
I wonder if there's something ingame that'll help us
gloomy isle
If its an arg it'll be like the egg thing I'd imagine
formal knot
might get a clue ib the weekend mission
sturdy acorn
maybe
gloomy isle
Yeah
sturdy acorn
these glyphs might pop up then
so all we can do is bash our heads against the text to see what comes out until more stuff appears
uncut harness
didn't they add a new mission type for community missions
involving stranded travellers
gloomy isle
Yeah
sturdy acorn
yeah
uncut harness
then that may have merit
sturdy acorn
could be
upper void
we found anything yet?
hybrid pendant
remember the derelict freighters are system specific
u will need to go to another system to have a different one
sturdy acorn
i'd ask somebody to join me on one of those missions but i cant connect to matchmaking services
upper void
If you get matchmaking to work id be happy to join you
sturdy acorn
i might stick to playing They Are Billions for today
upper void
also
hybrid pendant
damn that lighting effect https://twitter.com/NMSanomaly/status/1283848190853292032
upper void
Does anyone have the link to the YT frame by frame thing?
rich elm
do we know what the glyphs on this mean? Are any of them the same as the glyphs in the trailer?
old canopy
upper void
thanks
compact coyote
that code in the trailer lol very difficult. its a good challenge
sturdy acorn
only one is similar @rich elm
upper void
also some of the glyphs on the rock thing look similar
sturdy acorn
bottom, glyph 9
old canopy
I've gone through frame by frame and not found anything other than the symbols, which appear a few times throughout
here's a better shot of that old knowledge stone @rich elm , doubt there's anything we can take from it
compact coyote
what significance does " NO SIGNAL" have?
sturdy acorn
shapecatcher may not be the best tool for this, but the first glyph from the video could represent: ghe, mi, gamma, hu, m
ghe from cyrillic, mi and m from canadian aboriginal syllabics, hu from cherokee, gamma from greek
upper void
how do you spoiler tag something?
sturdy acorn
||
glass flare
NO SIGNAL is probably just fluff to denote the distortion in the broadcast
sturdy acorn
on both sides
sturdy acorn
np
glass flare
@sturdy acorn I think it's fair to say that the first symbol is the greek Gamma letter. The Cyrillic "Ge" is a direct derivation of Gamma
upper void
NO SIGNAL might be ||A significant component of ATLAS malfunctioning, shutting off, or being destroyed by the ABYSS||
idle jay
^
sturdy acorn
alright
idle jay
||All of this stuff leaking in due to system failures||
glass flare
(yes I looked that up hah)
upper void
it could also be ||Arindale (however the fuck you spell her name)'s communications ceasing.||
uncut harness
I have an idea of how this could connect to WT themes but it's definitely not what they're intending
glass flare
what strikes me is that the 1st, 3rd, and 7th symbols are all used in mathematics
sturdy acorn
according to wikipedia, gamma has a value of 3 in greek numerals
glass flare
I still can't find the 5th symbol but I know I've seen it before
sturdy acorn
somebody posted a picture of constellation symbols earlier
5th symbol looked like gemini
though it's likely inaccurate
compact coyote
and the iterations in the Anomaly are from Greek Mythos too
tawdry tusk
Any theories on what the Abyss really is? I personally think it's the subconscious manifestation of the Atlas' fear of death, gaining power as the Atlas loses control and starts to panic.
uncut harness
that is exactly what I think as well
compact coyote
Theyre all greek gods
glass flare
hm sort of except the symbol doesn't have extended line on top like Gemini does, unless my eyes are failing me
upper void
||We really don't know what ABYSS is other then it seems to be ATLAS' enemy, and ATLAS is dying. Arindale went to fight an enemy of some sort, she is back but apparently its just her clone or something.||
sturdy acorn
it doesn't, no
compact coyote
the iterations are named after greek gods
uncut harness
slowly swallowing void of madness twisting all of what the atlas is making into hostile horrors
as it dies*
upper void
That could make sense
sturdy acorn
if they're named after greek gods then i imagine most of this would borrow from greek culture
upper void
The question is, ||What is ABYSS and whats it doing to ATLAS||
sturdy acorn
unless anyone has any other ideas for the 1st symbol, it's safe to say it's Gamma
uncut harness
well the lore never says it isn't atlas. it's just distinguishable from atlas
uncut harness
so therefore it can still be part of it but recognized as something somewhat separate. like inner rampancy going against a machine's orders
sturdy acorn
you got the v4? nice
pretty sure people already looked into it way before this but it could be worth a try
compact coyote
CSD gangg
tawdry tusk
N I C E C O C K B R O
uncut harness
mine's chilling too. I still have not put it in a case
patent shale
Thanks bro, +2 inches
uncut harness
I think what the adridane storyline is trying to convey is that the rampancy of the atlas is now extending into travellers, therefore us
upper void
||If we imagine ATLAS as a big computer thing what if ABYSS is like a malware?||
it would make sense to me
sturdy acorn
i think atlas just needs to defragment its hard drive(s)
sturdy acorn
now that i look at pics of the V4, it says Waking Titan on it
glass flare
well all we know so far is that the first symbol probably represents the letter G, and the 7th symbol probably the letter D
sturdy acorn
we can only look at it as part of this if we know that this ARG is a continuation of WT
which..we can't really know yet
formal knot
dunno bout you but i want a slice of that fatlass
sturdy acorn
slice of what?
cloud epoch
so any juicy loot in freighters yet?
compact coyote
everybody gangsta till LOOP16 comes back online
sturdy acorn
you can get plenty of artifacts from the derelicts
good way to make at least a million if you're lucky
glass flare
Emily shows up in a new video all gothed out
sturdy acorn
what do you guys think though? wait and see?
sturdy acorn
yeah
tawdry tusk
Kinda think it's a space pic, with orange nebula/clouds and stars
sturdy acorn
looks like it vaguely forms something, but how could we tell?
upper void
0:34:53
fallow badge
I see a helmet on the right side
tawdry tusk
might be some glyphs running parallel to the bars?
upper void
2 frames earlier
upper void
am i the only one that sees an eyeball
fallow badge
i see the eye
gloomy isle
Yeah kinda looks like a fish head as well haha
sturdy acorn
i see it also
idle jay
Same here
tawdry tusk
NMS Update 2.7: The Fish Update
Everything is now Fish
Except for the fish
The fish are now the Atlas
sturdy acorn
subnautica time
patent shale
@glass flare how do we know this?
upper void
top of screen , 0:44:96
glass flare
how do we know what?
rich elm
what
sturdy acorn
@patent shale first symbol looks most like, and is most likely Gamma from the Greek alphabet
which is g
upper void
the werid white static looking thing looks like some kind of word or code
sturdy acorn
idk about #7 though
compact coyote
So much GREEK
upper void
the 4th letter might be Psi
rich elm
i think it's just distortion
glass flare
the bowtie symbol is the Dagaz symbol from Elder Futhark, a pre-English runic alphabet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagaz
severe sun
...something just one shotted me from full maxed out shield and hit points in a derelict
patent shale
Okay nothing in dictionary with first letter g and 7 d
Honestly
If we get all letters it might be hex
Or a rot code
Or we might have just messed yp
fallow badge
could they be portal glyphs?
patent shale
I was thinking they might be dodgy ones
And we need to fill in blanks and work them
compact coyote
I'm gonna try and find a derelict freighter in vr
glass flare
assuming we can actually decipher the rest, it could need transposition using something else in the trailer as a key
compact coyote
It's a really good challenge though
rich elm
no signal
upper void
ah
compact coyote
No signal?
sturdy acorn
nothing distinct
upper void
so no signal comes up twice then
old canopy
Yeah
chrome ice
maybe
patent shale
I mean honestly lets say
compact coyote
I hope so
patent shale
For the fun
compact coyote
Maybe a new website ? 👀
idle jay
Then that would be great
upper void
So i went to nosignal . com, its just the website for a music artist
patent shale
Even if its a bit backwards and ww has the combat update first
upper void
so thats obv not it
chrome ice
so the last day of summer is like in September right?
sturdy acorn
can someone link the 4chan post again?
uncut harness
sturdy acorn
danke
chrome ice
it would be really cool to see something at the xbox event. Or have a teaser or something for the anniversary
sturdy acorn
maybe
idle jay
Even if its a bit backwards and ww has the combat update first
@patent shale I mean it didn't say what order it's happening in
sturdy acorn
he got crossplay and improved combat elements right, for one
he is no nostradamus, but it is close
patent shale
Honestly I know I could be let down
uncut harness
@upper void didn't the weekend events start back up in Mid June?
patent shale
But i really think its true
sturdy acorn
suppose we wait for the weekend missions then
upper void
yes but we didnt get new story stuff till now
uncut harness
@upper void the whole event has been telling a new story
Ariadne went missing mide June
compact coyote
I'm all for an in game ARG
sturdy acorn
i mean, we don't exactly have any other ideas about the ARG
idle jay
Yeah if tomorrow's weekend lore has anything to do with this or reveals anything then that would be nuts
sturdy acorn
so those glyphs and the weekend mission should be the starting point
uncut harness
Tomorrow's event will probably tie into the update
sturdy acorn
possibly
sturdy acorn
i imagine we'll see the glyphs again in the mission
nothing out of the ordinary, no
idle jay
It could end up bringing us to a derelict freighter for all we know
sturdy acorn
@rustic crow is also mum about it
gloomy isle
If it ties in we know for sure
sturdy acorn
woops
upper void
Has anyone looked at the HTML for the website? do the glyphs on the screens in derilect freighters match the video?
sturdy acorn
the HTML on nomanssky.com is normal afaik
upper void
ight
uncut harness
Keep in mind.. He could've known about some things and mixed fact with fiction
sturdy acorn
i mean, sean hasn't actually said anything about this
upper void
thats not surprising
sturdy acorn
it'd make it rather easy, yeah
upper void
i mean the entire time Waking Titan was happening he never said anything about it
uncut harness
He's not gonna say if we're getting a proc gen overhaul or not
idle jay
If it's going to possibly be an ARG type deal
sturdy acorn
if we see anything about this on the weekend mission, it'll be an ARG
upper void
yes
sturdy acorn
quarantine edition, of course
upper void
do you think itll be an in game ARG?
sturdy acorn
definitely
patent shale
Itll have to be a small arg as well
upper void
or will it be more waking titan like, just without the IRL stuff
uncut harness
Yes it will
sturdy acorn
if you can't go outside it makes a physical ARG harder to do
uncut harness
In game
patent shale
Cause i imagine they will want to fit it in before August 14th
sturdy acorn
so far? no
uncut harness
I feel like we're gonna see a next gen edition of the game at either Xbox or PlayStation event
sturdy acorn
as of now, all we know is this:
glyph sequence: 1st letter is gamma/g, 7th letter possibly d
weekend mission may be necessary for continuing investigation
upper void
x to doubt
uncut harness
Has anyone datamined anything?
Datamining doesn't promise anything. There's Terrain biome files that's been in the game since launch
gloomy isle
No way was it overloaded
idle jay
Well people have been super antsy for news Papa. It's been about 2 months since the mech. It's been a while since we received an actual gameplay update
patent shale
Honestly imagine if the website comes back up and its all just glitches everywhere
glass flare
website is up for me again
gloomy isle
Site's up now BTW
idle jay
Plus practically the entire community has been hyping for a possible variation overhaul
sturdy acorn
it's been up for the past 40 mins i believe
patent shale
Boringgg
upper void
Site is up and very normal
sturdy acorn
html was also normal
idle jay
And what would be the thing behind having the website fail on purpose for a bit?
sturdy acorn
well
it certainly didn't get overloaded, cause there was very little notice about the update until the day before it occurred
so i think it's just maintenance, as plas said
upper void
I mean
uncut harness
@upper void things continuously happen cause the game is basically a live service for the summer
glass flare
As ever, the team has also continued to work on more updates. We have several more significant releases planned for the year, and we’re excited to share more news about them when the time comes.
upper void
It could’ve broke if thousands of people were spam refreshing for an announcements
idle jay
^
patent shale
@glass flare living ship quote?
glass flare
no, that's a quote from the Desolation release notes
upper void
I heavily doubt the site went down cause of something ARG related
sturdy acorn
bet KSP is getting an increase in sales once NMS gets orbital mechanics
upper void
lol
sturdy acorn
but yeah, as 4chan guy stated, it IS an in-game arg
uncut harness
@sturdy acorn what happened to KSP 2?
upper void
I wouldn’t want NMS to have orbital mechanics
uncut harness
@upper void why not?
upper void
@uncut harness KSP 2 is delayed to fall 2021 earliest release
sturdy acorn
damn
upper void
Also because I don’t think it fits in the game
uncut harness
@upper void oh ok.. Coming to PC and console right?
sturdy acorn
true
upper void
NMS doesn’t need to be a simulator
sturdy acorn
NMS isn't exactly realistic in the first place
space stations are smaller on the inside, for one
upper void
It’s supposed to be sci fi, what sci fi film has orbital mechanics
uncut harness
@upper void it's more of a survival game than simulator
upper void
Combat wouldn’t work with orbital physics as well
glass flare
umm... 2001?
sturdy acorn
"combat wouldn't work with orbital physics" i raise you Children of a Dead Earth
patent shale
Right I didn't even realise that was a direct quote from Sean I just read the article
upper void
See COADE if you want examples of realistic space combat
patent shale
Wow
idle jay
Yep
upper void
One thing I wanna say
idle jay
I honestly doubt something wouldn't happen
uncut harness
I mean.. You won't notice orbital mechanics in real time
patent shale
Several is more than 2, so let's say its 3 at least
upper void
Don’t get pissed if the Is not a summer update
patent shale
We have 5 months left that means an update every 2 months
sturdy acorn
yeah, visible movement in orbital mechanics would require you to be really low-altitude
vocal berry
@ember temple programmable sentinels
tawdry tusk
It would be both weird if we do get an anniverary update and weird if we don't
idle jay
One idea is that all of this content was the big summer update broken into parts which makes sense
patent shale
Yep honestly does
sturdy acorn
maybe they scrapped the orbital mechanics idea after the leak occurred (not as a consequence of the leak though)
patent shale
Still kinda waiting for a use for exo mech
upper void
A lot of people are upset about this update because “iTs noT tHe pROc gEn uPDaTe.” Dont make speculations and guesses and then get pissed with HG when you guessed wrong
glass flare
several sounds like we won't get an Atlas Rises size thing, but several more of these. i'm ok with that IF one of them is solely about changing biomes and diversity
idle jay
Also we still have the rest of the year for updates. People are just being impatient
sturdy acorn
after all, sometimes people come up with something and go "hey that's a million-dollar idea" then slowly realize how bad it was
patent shale
Honestly I am more hype for this update than a variation one
In my head a variation uodate will come
gloomy echo
I think when the term orbital mechanics is used in reference to this game they arent meaning that our ships will orbit planets, but rather that the planets will orbit a star, instead of a sky box orbiting static planets.
upper void
Yes
sturdy acorn
true, roberts
patent shale
They wouldn't of put all the work in this game just to have no variation, which was there main thing
upper void
That’s the thing they are eventually going to make a variety update
patent shale
They care about this
upper void
Who knows when tho
patent shale
And anything they add before is just a bonus
sturdy acorn
maybe the planets will rotate too
uncut harness
@patent shale I'm thinking variation will come when next gen comes. I'm glad they added some horror elements
sturdy acorn
...now i want windmills because of the coriolis effect
upper void
lol
idle jay
Honestly I would o've a variation/exploratipn overhaul. This latest update fits perfectly with one of the aspects I would've wanted to see in that overhaul update
sturdy acorn
space dutch
glass flare
can i just get a day/night cycle that is hours long instead of minutes at least
patent shale
It might do though that would shut off ps4 and xbone players from experiencing it
tawdry tusk
Frankly we don't just need variety for planets, we need more complex systems for how things operate planet-wise
upper void
True
uncut harness
@patent shale it all depends if current consoles can handle orbital mechanics and better proc gen
tawdry tusk
we need more complex animal ai, more complex ways for terrain to generate/mix-and-match, and more complex structures/peeple to interact with
idle jay
Yeah I doubt they would make a variation overhaul new gen exclusive. That would shut off a lot of players from the update because not everyone is going to have the new systems right away
upper void
I wanna see more dynamic planets
sturdy acorn
the ultimate space sim: a fusion of NMS, space engine, KSP, and EVE
upper void
Y E S
sturdy acorn
an absolute clusterfuck on astronomical time scales
glass flare
more dynamic NPCs too
tawdry tusk
Would you guys say NMS is more "Space Minecraft" or "Space Skyrim"?
tawdry tusk
bro same
sturdy acorn
never played skyrim either
upper void
(Please don’t sue me)
uncut harness
I'm sure current gen can handle proc gen updates. Elite Dangerous Odyssey update will be on current gen
sturdy acorn
but yeah, i would say NMS is more like Space Minecraft
except villagers are far more useful in NMS
can't just Dr Stone your way to victory
upper void
If I can run Minecraft with a mod for infinite variation on a shitty laptop, I think NMS can figure it out
gloomy echo
The ultimate space sim will be "Star base" when it releases, just sayin....
idle jay
It's more Space Minecraft
tawdry tusk
@uncut harness i think it's not about how much current gen can handle, but about how much they'd have to redo a lot of old code to get proper results
upper void
I would assume it can
idle jay
So I don't think the hardware thing is something to worry about
tawdry tusk
same reason WoW doesn't want to de-factionize the characters
upper void
Here’s the thing
uncut harness
@tawdry tusk coding with procedural generation is much easier
idle jay
I mean the game was originally built for PS4 so...
upper void
I can think of a ton of ways you could create literally near infinite variation of Flora without the super formula
idle jay
Yes
upper void
Ex, overlaying textures and randomly changing opacity and color of those textures
In the end you create a bunch of unique textures
sturdy acorn
what's funny to me is how we were full NCIS mode for a bit, now we're just chilling
upper void
(Definitely didn’t get that idea from the “infinite variation in Minecraft” video)
idle jay
Honestly a massive color increase would be helpful. Take all the colors in the hex/rgb scale and combine them all in ways that look good
tawdry tusk
@uncut harness however the ideal thing they would do is rebuild their procgen system (any expansions of variables in the current system would just create a buffer until people get bored again) and rebuild a new system, which is probably very intensive
not impossible, but lots of work
upper void
https://youtu.be/CS5DQVSp058 I feel like alot of stuff in here could work with No Mans Sky as well
gloomy echo
I agree with Tom, just adding more variation isnt going to fix the underlying problem, which is that planets are bland with only a single biom regardless if there is 10 types or 10 thousand types.
Planets themselves need more variation. Hot desserts on the equator, cold tundra at the poles, etc......
sturdy acorn
blocky things are a little easier to make practically infinite imo
upper void
Yes
I wanna find that bit where he explained how he made infinite textures just by layering stuff
uncut harness
If the proc gen overhaul is real, they won't rebuild the game from the ground up. The leak suggested an updated engine. They'll just expand on what they have
rich elm
These are all the frames of the glyphs that i could find
gloomy echo
To be honest though, I'd rather see more MMO style systems added like factions, warfare, ptp trading, etc.... rather then a proc gen update.
patent shale
@rich elm niceeeee
uncut harness
@gloomy echo i think it's all coming eventually
upper void
I’d rather a proc gen update
uncut harness
I'd rather a proc gen update first
patent shale
They really look like portal glyphs man
rich elm
every frame in which they are identifiable. Some of them are adjacent frames that are slightly different.
just to try to get an accurate idea of the shape of each glyph
idle jay
Tbh instead of mmo mechanics I want the variation/exploration overhaul. Infinite variety and a ton of gameplay to make the exploration fun
uncut harness
Anyone tried using those glyphs at a portal?
rich elm
they aren't portal glyphs
patent shale
They are similar though
idle jay
Best case scenario is adding both of those without becoming an mmo
gloomy echo
It's technically already an MMO
idle jay
Eh
tawdry tusk
I think an ideal system would have essentially mini-biome presets for terrain levels (mountains, swamps, fields, oceans, deep oceans, and smaller transitionary biomes) all with distinct ranges of terrain mapping values, that you sort of put together as puzzle pieces on the planet (each piece covering large amounts of area), that you then mix and match with different levels of fauna/flora (no fauna, sparse fauna, medium amounts of fauna, high amounts of fauna; no plants, small flowers/grass, bushlands, forests) and allow any planet to have anywhere from 1 to all mini-biome types.
idle jay
Just has some MMO elements. Not exactly an MMO
gloomy echo
Agreed Tom, boom variations on planets would be my ideal proc gen update too
Nah it's totally a massively multiplayer online game.
It's just not an RPG, which most MMOs are
idle jay
I think an ideal system would have essentially mini-biome presets for terrain levels (mountains, swamps, fields, oceans, deep oceans, and smaller transitionary biomes) all with distinct ranges of terrain mapping values, that you sort of put together as puzzle pieces on the planet (each piece covering large amounts of area), that you then mix and match with different levels of fauna/flora (no fauna, sparse fauna, medium amounts of fauna, high amounts of fauna; no plants, small flowers/grass, bushlands, forests) and allow any planet to have anywhere from 1 to all mini-biome types.
@tawdry tusk That would be good. Maybe also combine that with a procedural biome system in a way then we're good
uncut harness
It's more of a live service game than an MMO
idle jay
^
uncut harness
Which I'm fine with.. Name another live service with absolutely no paid content
gloomy echo
Its massive
Its multiplayer
Its online
M
M
O
Lol
idle jay
It just has some multiplayer elements. Many games have multiplayer elements without being an MMO
No
gloomy echo
I think people are confusing MMO with RPG.....
idle jay
I think you are confusing a game with some multiplayer elements for an MMO lol
uncut harness
I never understood what makes a game MMO
haughty rover
Next update will. Let u fill out inventory in exocraft 😖
valid holly
If the only way you're likely to run into another player is to coordinate it, it's probably not an MMO.
sturdy acorn
i actually ran into another player on my starting planet randomly
idle jay
If the only way you're likely to run into another player is to coordinate it, it's probably not an MMO.
This
gloomy echo
Most games are MMORPGs which is why when you hear MMO you mind thinks RPG systems like warcraft or something.
But honestly that's not the case really, to be an MMO a game really needs to just have an open world that all players play in together.
sturdy acorn
we didn't talk though cause i didnt know about text chat then
tawdry tusk
and then characterize animal ai by giving them different behavior presets both relating to violence (kill on sight/hunt, territorial/will confont if you don't leave, will attack you if you get too close, will attack you if you attack them, unbothered, will run from you if you attack them, fearful) and apply it differently to how they treat the players, other species (perhaps depending on weight class/predatory behavior), the opposite gender, the same gender, and the young, and also give a toggle to see if they operate in herds/hunting packs or alone.
gloomy echo
To give a good examples a game like "foxhole" is considered an MMO even though it has literally no RPG systems
valid holly
@sturdy acorn It happens. But it's super rare. The only time I've randomly run into another player was on New Lennon. And that doesn't really count.
upper void
While technically NMS is an MMO, practically it isn’t because odds are you will never see another player
I’ve put 600 hours into the game since NEXT and I’ve only seen a random player once, and it was near-ish to a civilization
idle jay
The game certainly has MMO elements I'll admit that. Doesn't mean it's a full MMO (And no I'm not thinking MMORPG ok)
vocal berry
@ember temple do you want any larval cores?
upper void
It’s an MMO because it’s a massive open world where you can run into other players, but it isn’t one in practice since that probably won’t ever happen, so it might as well not be an MMO
tawdry tusk
The qualities that make an MMO an MMO fluctuate based on whether or not the person using them wants to consider it an MMO
there's no real definition
uncut harness
@upper void they'll continue adding MMO elements
upper void
I am confused
idle jay
It's mostly an open world exploration sandbox game
upper void
Why the 😂 emojis
idle jay
Although it succeeds at only two of those things
uncut harness
@idle jay i wouldnt day sandbox uet3. More survival than anything
uncut harness
It's subnautica in space
idle jay
My point still stands though
uncut harness
@idle jay that's part of making it more of a sandbox
uncut harness
Yea most definitely are
idle jay
This was good for exploration
tawdry tusk
at this point i would call it a sandbox, there's a lot of interactive and intertwined gameplay systems (even if the worlds need touchups)
uncut harness
You guys remember that trailer that had 4 pillars of focus?
gloomy echo
This update was essentially MMO raids in space...... lol
uncut harness
I think it said something like explore, survive,fight, and one more
gloomy echo
It's not a dungeon, it's a wrecked freighter, that's not loot, its tech upgrades.... lol
idle jay
That..
tawdry tusk
explore survive fight and i think trade?
idle jay
Doesn't change my point
uncut harness
Trade .. That's the fourth one
Well it seems like they've been overhauling each one
gloomy echo
It's a dungeon raid in space bro, and that's a good thing. We needed dungeon raid honestly. Every structure we enter is so small, its nice to finally see a sprawling interior.
idle jay
Yes I agree
Well it seems like they've been overhauling each one
@uncut harness Saving the best for last then
uncut harness
@idle jay yep
idle jay
If you catch my drift
glass flare
except for trade which they kinda screwed up with NEXT
tawdry tusk
if they add in orbital mechanics, does that mean they'd also have to add in suns?
uncut harness
They covered Survival and Trade. Today improved combat and a bit of exploration
idle jay
I don't think planets orbiting the sun would be necessary. Just having them rotate in place would be fine with me
Which I think is how they were going to do it
tawdry tusk
i'd want them to add in suns, solely so i can start a cult where we all dive into them
glass flare
racetracks aren't necessary either but they're in the game for some reason
uncut harness
@tawdry tusk the sun is definitely being worked on.. Ever noticed the flickering black square when staring at it?
idle jay
Hmm?
tawdry tusk
that's been there for a while, hasn't it?
tawdry tusk
i think work on the 3-d suns wouldn't effect the 2-d skybox suns
upper void
Racetracks are really fun to be honest
glass flare
that is Sean Murray doing maintenance work
uncut harness
Yea visual bug because it's a place holder for a physical object
upper void
?
uncut harness
People need to understand that they're hard at work at realizing the original promises
tawdry tusk
^
glass flare
that's an idealized view of what is a business. Sean is doing things that the community wants, and also things that he thinks will attract new sales
idle jay
Will the stuff we want be in the next update? Who knows. All we know is that it's possible that they are working on it bits at a time
uncut harness
@glass flare the original vision will attract sales lol
uncut harness
@idle jay man that original E3 demo was crazy
idle jay
Because if there wasn't then HG wouldn't have received the massive backlash they did at launch
tawdry tusk
@glass flare definitely yes to an extent, but sean/the HG team is /are also an artist/artists of sorts, and their passion project is this game
idle jay
Yeah it was
glass flare
I remember more people saying "this looks cool but I want to shoot things with my friends", it was a minority of us who said "wandering around on planets by ourselves sounds really cool"
uncut harness
@glass flare well he promised all that stuff lol
uncut harness
Remember when he said each planet had it's own living and breathing ecosystem?
glass flare
I agree that biome diversity updates would bring more boys to Sean's yard
tawdry tusk
i gotta say that it's nice to see, when NMS is brought up by news sites, how impressed and wholesome people in the comments are with it's development?
uncut harness
@idle jay planets rotating on an axis and real time seasons because of orbits around a star?
idle jay
Something like that yeah. The seasons though don't know how feasible that would be for the game
uncut harness
@tawdry tusk bro I only saw one negative comment on the official IGN post
idle jay
Besides. If there is one thing to admit...
It is that all of us here right now agree there should be a variation overhaul
uncut harness
@idle jay no doubt
glass flare
it's really past time for planets to actually move in the sky. we need them rotatin' planets
tawdry tusk
ye
uncut harness
@glass flare agreed
idle jay
The promises of multiplayer were filled. Time to make way for the core aspect of the game
uncut harness
I want more horror elements.. The Freighters were a good start.. Great start actually
idle jay
Yes
glass flare
while orbital mechanics is far from the most pressing need in the game, it would be cool to see astronomical events like eclipses happen
idle jay
As long as it's not too big of a focus
tawdry tusk
am i the only one who doesn't find pathfinder gen to be much better than NEXT gen? like yeah, there are some ways in which it was better (faunaless/floraless planets for all biome types), but it wasn't the messiah of generation either
uncut harness
I just wanna get to a point where I land on some planets and I'm like... "NOPE"
idle jay
am i the only one who doesn't find pathfinder gen to be much better than NEXT gen? like yeah, there are some ways in which it was better (faunaless/floraless planets for all biome types), but it wasn't the messiah of generation either
@tawdry tusk The old art style. And that update was when the lighting was pretty much perfect
uncut harness
idk I'm loving this lighting
idle jay
Same
uncut harness
The color palette was good back then
glass flare
the lack of color variety is what was lost. also i miss the atmospheric haze effects that they got rid of
idle jay
A lot of nice visual things were lost for some reason
tawdry tusk
frankly, while i get why people like it, i was never a fan of the old art style. I loved the e3/pre-release look, and i want us to move closer to that, but the actual game during the launch-pathfinder era was too low-poly (almost looked like plastic)
uncut harness
@idle jay it's due to the graphical overhauls heading towards realism
gusty stream
^ This
idle jay
@idle jay it's due to the graphical overhauls heading towards realism
@uncut harness I don't see that as an excuse to get rid of stuff like haze. Haze is a realistic thing. Plus this is an alien planet game. It still doesn't make sense to lower colors so much
glass flare
for me, NMS had a stronger emotional impact when the aesthetic was more stylized, rather than trying to chase realism
upper void
The 7th letter of the glyphs probably isn’t a G. Friend who’s good at deciding also said the upside down Delta could likely be an N.
uncut harness
@glass flare they can still go back to a stylized look and feel even with realistic graphics. Look at Horizon Zero Dawn or Halo for example
tawdry tusk
i think there'a a differnce between stylized and blob, and while pre-release stuff (especially e3) managed to get a good balance of detail and style, launch-pathfinder was kinda on the blobby side
glass flare
my sweet spot for stylized was Foundations
uncut harness
One thing the game needs is filter options. That could make things look really nice too
glass flare
lovely soft shadows Foundations had. when they redid the rendering process in Pathfinder they lost that softness. it's gotten better, but it's definitely a different aesthetic look now. If the game had as much color variety as Atlas Rises and also had deep biome updates I think it would probably eclipse all versions on that front
upper void
We said that the first letter was D, 7th letter was G right?
sturdy acorn
opposite
upper void
Ah ok
sturdy acorn
10
glass flare
7th letter (the bowtie) is D because that's the Elder Futhark rune it represents
sturdy acorn
it has been, though not much of a response
glass flare
upside down triangle is the Nabla math symbol so that could be N, but that's a stretch
sturdy acorn
we think it's multiple languages, yeah
couldn't be anything else
it could even be meaningless, who knows
sturdy acorn
no
upper void
Can’t type sorry
sturdy acorn
first letter is G/Gamma, 7th letter is possibly D
upper void
Ok
valid holly
D as in Delta?
compact coyote
Hey guys hows it going with decoding that text
glass flare
@valid holly no D for this rune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagaz
uncut harness
Is rubble of the first spawn a new space anomaly?
sturdy acorn
keep in mind that it may not even be D
the person that said it was D said that it "is possibly D"
sturdy acorn
we don't know
glass flare
the only thing that's bothered me about the 1st symbol is that Gamma usually has the top line shorter than the descending line, but this symbol is almost equal in length
upper void
So I doubt it’s D then
sturdy acorn
i imagine the distortion would make it more difficult to create a clear image
glass flare
It's definitely D, if you believe that the symbol is a match with the rune. And it is
sturdy acorn
and a clear image defeats the point
upper void
Wait im getting mixed answers
uncut harness
This old?
upper void
So is the 7th letter Definetly D or possibly D?
glass flare
well you can compare it for yourself. it looks pretty much like the Dagaz rune
upper void
Also the 3rd letter MIGHT be N
rich elm
it could be multiple words
tawdry tusk
can i get a tl;dr on how many letters we know and in what order?
sturdy acorn
10-letter words with G for letter 1, N for letter 3, D for letter 7?
tawdry tusk
dope thx!
sturdy acorn
N for letter 3 is unconfirmed
idle jay
Ooh look at this one. This one gives an entire vibe
upper void
But a URL or another code
sturdy acorn
it could be ciphered, yeah
compact coyote
Fr
idle jay
I'll stop now lol
nocturne zephyr
Gimme dat vibe
sturdy acorn
in fact a cipher is more likely than anything
idle jay
No
rich elm
if it was something i don't think they would confirm it lol
idle jay
Because it's going to be a waste of time either way
rich elm
plus, how could it not be something
compact coyote
Its definitely intentional
upper void
9th letter is gamma as well yea
sturdy acorn
i mean
in the unhighlighted one, 9 doesn't really show up as gamma
just a solitary line
upper void
G/N///D/G/
idle jay
Those symbols showing up like that is too much of a coincidence to just be part of the glitching
rich elm
no it does in other frames
idle jay
So it has to mean something
upper void
rich elm
upper void
I see the other line
glass flare
the 5th symbol is bothering me because i know i've seen something like it before... a rectangle with a line extended on the bottom
compact coyote
Any thoughts on what it might say?
uncut harness
Oof... I need to play more.. I can't even afford the coordinates to the first freighter
rich elm
well in a lot of them actually
upper void
Is the 4th letter a rotates psi?
sturdy acorn
4th letter could be rotated psi
upper void
Also it’s very distorted so don’t worry if it looks off
glass flare
it makes the sound of screaming glass
glass flare
the reverse triangle could also be a D instead of N, as it's also known as Del
sturdy acorn
more likely a cipher
upper void
Or a URL
sturdy acorn
cipher that leads to a url?
rich elm
what is the second letter
idle jay
And then we we decipher it, we find out it says youdumblol
upper void
Maybe
compact coyote
It could be a url. But to where?????
glass flare
or musical notes
sturdy acorn
second glyph is two left carets
rich elm
but what language is it
sturdy acorn
dk
upper void
Wait guys have we considered numbers as a possibility?
How many letters are in a youtube URL thing
sturdy acorn
lemme check
idle jay
Its different for each video usually
upper void
oh
sturdy acorn
yeah, it varies
upper void
I am on the side of G/Nps//D/G/
sturdy acorn
maybe it'd be better to format it with newlines actually, though that would be somewhat spammy
upper void
Since upside down delta is it’s own thing and it’s N
glass flare
Nabla is known as Del also, so it could be either
sturdy acorn
yeah
sturdy acorn
so G, unknown, D/N, ps, unknown, unknown, D, unknown, G, unknown
sturdy acorn
that works better
rich elm
i don't think the second one is a greek letter
upper void
G.N/DPS..D.G.
compact coyote
It's most likely a URL
upper void
Hmm that didn’t work how I expected
rich elm
ok. the real question is would they really take symbols from random, different things?
sturdy acorn
i don't think #2 is from a language
rich elm
likkkkkkeeeeeee
upper void
G•NPS••D•G•, or G•DPA••D•G•
sturdy acorn
i don't think they can
glass flare
i looked at the hieroglyphs earlier, there are a loooooot of them and most aren't very geometric
sturdy acorn
so you didn't find the double left caret then? @glass flare
glass flare
i mean there's a few hundred, i didn't inspect them closely but feel free to lol
sturdy acorn
if they were quotation marks we would see them repeating on the other side
glass flare
double arrows are also a math symbol for inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequality_(mathematics)
lots of math symbols in this thing
rich elm
lol
upper void
Friend said this
glass flare
even the bowtie symbol is used in math as a symbol for a Join
maybe all of these are math related tbh
upper void
Also,
sturdy acorn
i mean, gamma is used in computation as well
upper void
<< is a logical shift in computer logic
cloud epoch
one possible thought on the "glyphs" is that they are just DESOLATION as seen thru the distortion filter (which also means it doesnt matter that both O characters have different glyphs)
sturdy acorn
G, unknown, D/N, ps, unknown, unknown, D, unknown, G, unknown
current glyphs
that could be possible
upper void
@cloud epoch unlikely
The shapes are very geometric
And it’s also less letters I think
sturdy acorn
both 10 letters
cloud epoch
cloud epoch
that gamma on the left look familiar?
sturdy acorn
you can't really tell whether it's gamma because there's a lot of the same color around there
cloud epoch
desolation is 10 letters
upper void
Oh wait
I can’t spell
Still the glyphs themselves aren’t distorted and most of them are very far off from any sort of letter
The distorted DESOLATION looks waaaay off of the glyphs
Only thing that’s similar is the gamma looking thing
sturdy acorn
now that i think about it
this might not lead to an ARG, but hint at the contents of the ARG or future updates itself
cloud epoch
that's just one instance of desolation being glitched tho, the other gylphset could be a different glitch of it
sturdy acorn
maybe we look at the mathematical/computational definition or use of each symbol?
cloud epoch
im not saying stop looking into the glyphs, just saying 10 letters, 10 glyphs, a lot of glitching, could just be nothing
sturdy acorn
it could always just be nothing
glass flare
yeah it's been brought up before
sturdy acorn
doesn't mean it's not interesting to dig into
glass flare
but it would be fairly trolly of Sean to put a coded message in there just for it to say "DESOLATION"
compact coyote
Lol that would suck
glass flare
"congrats on wasting hours of your life, now you understand true desolation"
sturdy acorn
i've checked, and #2 is not an egyptian hieroglyph
gusty stream
Alright just checking in
compact coyote
It has to mean something. A word. A url. Anything
glass flare
i'm getting the vibe that these are all math/science symbols
glass flare
if this is Atlas trying to speak to us, then using math would maybe make sense
idle jay
It is a literal computer so...
gusty stream
^
sturdy acorn
gamma, unknown, nabla, psi, unknown, unknown, dagaz, unknown, gamma, unknown
somebody said #8 was A or F but idk
upper void
Ok so where are we here?
sturdy acorn
and i don't think dagaz is used in math
upper void
G•NPS••D•G•, or G•DPA••D•G•, right?
sturdy acorn
where's the A/F come from anyway?
glass flare
Dagaz could instead be Natural Join, it's the same symbol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_algebra#Natural_join
sturdy acorn
oh, seems like it @glass flare
idk, it seems a little uncreative to just use flipped latin characters
ah
i think it's ansuz then
rich elm
what if it's actually desolation lol
sturdy acorn
gamma, unknown, nabla, psi, unknown, unknown, dagaz, ansuz, gamma, unknown
it does, though it couldn't be anything else
glass flare
well if we're going under the assumption that they are all math, then those runes are a red herring
severe sun
could be multiple words
compact coyote
What could CEN mean?
sturdy acorn
CEN is from something else, i forgot though
sturdy acorn
according to wikipedia, capital gamma is used for In mathematics, the gamma function is an extension of the factorial to complex numbers
glass flare
hmm could the 4th symbol be a stylized version of the math symbol for Existential quantification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_quantification
upper void
sturdy acorn
so maybe gamma represents extension?
sturdy acorn
maybe
upper void
I don’t think it’s math guys
I think if it turns out to not be letters we can try math but for now let’s stick to letters
glass flare
well if you can find an upside down triangle in any language then cheers, but I couldn't
sturdy acorn
i don't think it's a math problem, maybe concepts from math represented by letters stuck together to create a message
dagaz is natural join, gamma is extension
so creation possibly
meager stag
Oh damn this is still going?
severe sun
I don't think the double arrow symbol is right, someone had run the image through edge detection earlier, and it looked curly
meager stag
How sure are we that this is something?
sturdy acorn
we're not
compact coyote
Yup
upper void
Upside down delta is a Nabla
sturdy acorn
it's not two carets
upper void
But we already know that I thought
glass flare
i think the 4th symbol could be ∃, for Existential Quantification
rich elm
it would be ridiculous for them to not expect us to attempt to figure out what it is
that's the only reason i think it's something
sturdy acorn
meager stag
There's so much hidden in the last glitchy part. Definitely images of planets like we thought before the trailer actually dropped. Wonder if all of this is a tease for bigger things.
glass flare
it looks like a looped line to me
sullen drift
I would be a bit sad if this really was nothing.. But we will see in time.