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#nms-spoilers
zenith zenith
nm don't answer, gonna go do that
Thx again
thought I was goin' crazy and hoppin' for system to system and the anomaly and crap without ever seein' my little rover pad ;p
violet narwhal
Yeah it tells you what to do.
zenith zenith
thought for sure I missed somethin' heh
violet narwhal
The base NPC stuff used to be an optional thing that the small mandatory basebuilding quest led straight into... That meant a load of people got sidetracked by that stuff for a long time.
foggy jacinth
I might need to start a new game again...
violet narwhal
When did you last do that?
foggy jacinth
Right before Beyond, I think?
violet narwhal
Ah... Yeah this was a Beyond change.
uncut axle
I've been doing the Artemis quest line, and now it's telling me to get to the center of the universe... isn't the center of the universe really far away? Is the storyline basically over now?
grand bolt
foggy jacinth
@uncut axle You'll accomplish what the mission wants you to accomplish long before you hit the center. It wants you to warp 16 times.
foggy jacinth
It gives you the sub blueprint, and a helmet. And you find a few cool things. But it's long. I recommend doing it on a planet that has lots of islands where you can land your ship/call your nomad, and travel the distances with those rather than the sub.
Having said all that, I enjoy that mission. But many people really don't like it.
You can set which system it activates by going a long distance from where you are (a black hole is good), then resetting the mission in a system with a good planet.
uncut axle
Ok, thanks
foggy jacinth
doing it on a planet that is nothing but ocean is a real slog.
uncut axle
So apparently I'm an idiot, cause I didn't realize I needed to wait to receive the glyphs each time I jumped, and was jumping again as soon as the last jump finished
So now I've wasted a bunch of warp fuel and am only halfway there lol
foggy jacinth
oh, I didn't know that. So, at least you helped out others, maybe.
uncut axle
It gives you a glyph each time you jump, and tracks how many out of 16 you have
foggy jacinth
I knew that. If you jumped again quickly, you didn't get the glyph is news to me. 😄
uncut axle
I was opening the galaxy map before the overlay that tells you the name of the system went away
So now I'm at 9 out of 16 jumps, when I should be there lol
blissful stratus
@foggy jacinth news to me too, since jumping early on black holes doesnt work lol
this is some valve consistency
mighty rampart
@uncut harness the sentinels are like, super old beings that may have appeared even before everything else
its like a metaphor for an animal body, the brain is the atlas and sentinels are white blood cells
mmm yeah mostly
the game is set in multiverses, as stated in a freighter crash log entry that the sentinels once straight up yeeted a universe
they went out of control
that would explain why breaking apart salvage scrap release corrupted sentinels, and engaging them does not trigger the typical sentinels around you
as stated multiple times, the universe we all play in is unstable, and thus other multiverses are converging within it
a canon explanation for when new things are added in game
and also mass multiplayer
dull bear
What is the point of the Rememberance quest?
fossil magnet
More Atlas lore
You can read logs from remembrance terminal behind atlaspass v3 doors in space stations, not all stations have it though
Also gives you an extra health
And bonus health if you put it next to star seed
mighty rampart
And as it watches the moments leading up to its own death, towards completion of sixteen, something happens.
Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends.
The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is.
But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it.
At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone. ```
crisp fern
NMS just waiting for its successor to arrive, lmao
mighty rampart
what if that's the abyss
crisp fern
an entire game of exploring inside sandworms
uncut harness
Hey I played that level on Aaero.
crisp fern
every sandworm inside procedural
the abyss just be like, "hey we finally figured out how to work vulkan really well guys"
cloud nacelle
Instead of being swallowed by a whale and spending 40 days inside, we get swallowed by a sandworm and spend 16 days
crisp fern
next big update is VR v2 + Switch port 👀
right as Nintendo's shifting gears to a new console because ofc
cloud nacelle
No Man's Sky GO discover weird creatures in real life
Oh you know what that gave me a great idea for a short video
crisp fern
NMS Go but it's like Hitman Go
uncut harness
mighty rampart
it all comes around
crisp fern
abyss is ||Satisfactory release||
mighty rampart
smh
anyway, the figure is supposed to be us
or we're somehow the Atlas too, because when we interact with knowledge stones it seems to give us an image of us pressing against the glass
so in that case, the figure is Sean/HG
uncut harness
A running theory is/was that we are a successful version of Atlas giving itself a body.
I dunno how true that is because I just made it up.
mighty rampart
anyone well versed with waking titan can give better insight
uncut harness
I often think back to Waking Titan and wonder if the outcome would have been different had we chosen different paths/options.
mighty rampart
they probably had scripts so yes
crisp fern
they did mention it had different paths but not sure how different outcomes may have been
because a lot of games say they have different paths but the outcomes are barely different
mighty rampart
possible
crisp fern
i kinda like to imagine if people had said they didn't think Atlas should exist if they just up and stopped updating because that would be wildly anticlimactic
mighty rampart
lmfao
uncut harness
Democracy
mighty rampart
"hm so you guys dont like it? ok seeya we'll work on the last campfire then"
"and the joe danger switch port"
crisp fern
dude
joe danger would actually be sick on the switch
lmao
i'm kind of surprised they haven't done that
mighty rampart
probably because the mobile one was received poorly
crisp fern
RIP
slim lake
Guys, do I lose all my gear, upgrades, and S class items when I choose to reset the simulation?
I literally just got an Aliem multitool and S class fighter and i'm not losing those along with all my upgrades...
icy citrus
No, you don't lose anything
slim lake
can I go back to euclid if I wanted to?
icy citrus
Yes, but make sure you build a base in your new, or at the least visit a station to get it added to your teleport list
slim lake
so your saying, im in the new Galaxy, explore a bit, then I can visit my old base and go to the space station in that system, and the game will record that?
because I live in the Galactic Hub and I don't want to lose those Hub systems
icy citrus
From what everyone says , yes - I switched before all the kinks were worked out, and had to build a base - but my teleporter list was wiped out besides my bases
My advice is make a manual save, just in case
slim lake
alright
icy citrus
Then if everything is fine, cool - if not you can take it back
icy citrus
No, that is auto
fossil magnet
manual save is with save beacon / location beacon, getting off ship is auto, but they're the same thing really
icy citrus
Manual save with a save point, or beacon - or those waypoint at buildings
Except if you have the manual from before, you won't accidentally overwrite it
The auto is the one you will use for the other galaxy, manual to come back if it's broken in someway
slim lake
okay
jovial stag
Oh! Nearly... playing on Xbox on my PD save go to land on an outpost and the ship doesn't land on the pad correctly, and taking off again costs fuel, so I exit ship and fall to the ground causing critical damage... luckily I didn't die... is it just me or is the landing on an outpost a pain now as 9 times out of 10 the ship doesn't land on the pad correctly anymore yet it used to work fine 😖
uncut harness
@celest canyon To reach a new galaxy finish the main story or travel to the center
celest canyon
ok
jovial stag
@celest canyon ||to get to the next galaxy in the sequence, you normally start in 1 - Euclid, finish the Atlas Path or just get to the Centre, to get a choice of galaxy type to go to next complete the Artemis quest line when you'll get 4 choices||
alpine coyote
||so are nada and polo dead or did they get reset?||
fossil magnet
||reset, they knew the truth all along anyway though||
||when you talk to them after atlas path reset, they say they don't want to hear what happened and want to keep things as they are||
mighty rampart
They should retcon the whole reset thing now
Considering going between galaxies is now as straightforward as going between systems
uncut harness
I was kinda dissapointed from their repsonse tbh
fossil magnet
You mean polo and nada's? I felt the same but also makes sense
uncut harness
Is there a hint of what's to come after unlocking Cronus's head?
He's the last one, right?
mighty rampart
uncut harness
Mybe they'll unlock Nada's cape
nocturne zephyr
Capes would be cool
crisp fern
btw anyone know what to do if the Atlas Interface dialog doesn't come up? Someone else has run into that issue & besides reloading save (which I suspect they've already tried), not sure what to suggest
icy citrus
Try getting another location from Polo?
peak prairie
@jovial stag were you making sure the landing circle was green?
jovial stag
Yes, its like pressing X to land does nothing then suddenly it works and you land in the wrong place, other times you land in the wrong place but close to the pad so it kinda snaps in to place others you're just in the wrong place so exiting ship is a gamble will you be on the outpost or will you fall to the ground
little igloo
is there a page that lays the plot out in writing
cloud nacelle
Alien god wants to kill itself
little igloo
but the alien god is like
icy citrus
Save itself
cloud nacelle
In my computer
little igloo
do you think the end of remembrance implies something about a future update
or a NMS 2
The walls between worlds fall, each simulation collapsing into the other.
Ten minutes left
The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying.
Five minutes left
It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed.
One minute left
And as it watches the moments leading up to its own death, towards completion of sixteen, something happens.
Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends.
The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is.
But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it.
At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone.```Assumed to be The Abyss.
little igloo
Wasn't that just the water update?
uncut harness
Yes but it further setup game lore. Current weekend missions too are expanding upon the story/lore set by underwater missions.
There's something unknown that is as powerful as Atlas. We're about to find out what it is.
icy citrus
The Abyss is mentioned by name, ingame long before we had Next and the Abyss update
uncut harness
That too.
little igloo
hm
icy citrus
It is tied to water, and as hex mentioned we got a bit more lore for what we assume is its nature from the named update
uncut harness
I don't think there is. If someone is creating something they haven't uploaded/shared it yet.
The missions are still going on.
little igloo
what sort of lore are we talking about here
uncut harness
Simply put, something is going wrong, you need to stop it going wrong.
Various points across the universe are breaking down. Assumed that something is trying to break free or enter into the NMS universe.
That something is very much looking to be whatever The Abyss is.
In other words, NMS is about to get funky.
little igloo
ah ok
uncut harness
Looking like there's gunna be a fight for ultimate power between Atlas and The Abyss for absolute control.
How that will be implemented in to the game is unknown.
little igloo
Kind of weird for there to be a fight for control if the Atlas is dying
Also weird that there could be another force in the universe... when the atlas IS the universE?
uncut harness
It's probably not dying in the sense of absolute death. "Assumed" death is repeated resets of Atlas to learn how exactly to remain the absolute power.
Another force in the universe just implies multiple universes with them now colliding and merging with each other.
So whatever the universe is that The Abyss controls is now merging with the universe that Atlas controls.
More than likely going to continue on the path of data corruption that is in current game.
little igloo
I guess that was the originally referenced weirdness from pre-release days
uncut harness
So right everything in NMS is a simulation
strong bluff
And then there is simulation in a simulation.
uncut harness
And when the Abyss is like the Atlas a overseer of one simulation then the lifeform that created the simulation said screw it lets merge em and see what happens
slim lake
Radical!
uncut harness
Cries in Waking Titan
uncut harness
How much you wanna bet the abyss AI is lapetus
And the one that is supposedly hinted at during the community missions? Don’t know, haven’t done too many of them
mighty rampart
0 because ||community missions are going to lead nowhere||
shell sparrow
how does the lore explain the fact that you can travel back to Euclid?
Since wasn't Euclid supposed to be overwritten when you reset the atlas?
shell sparrow
retconned?
mighty rampart
"we pretend it never existed"
mighty rampart
the explanation is basically what's happening with the weekend missions
mighty rampart
because reality is so unstable now, going to a new galaxy (simulation) was a farce and we're all part of the same simulation all along
shell sparrow
Oh
Weird
so like
How it's generating many realities at the same time
It just teleports you to a new one?
mighty rampart
that's the point, it's not
shell sparrow
oh
mighty rampart
ya so just like the theory, the game lore is based on each player's experience
in a multiverse, two universes never interact with one another
but in the game's context, they are
all us players being on the same community planet and fixing the rifts is basically connecting the multiverses
mighty rampart
rifts in reality
you and I shouldnt even be talking, but a rift in the fabric of reality is letting us do that
shell sparrow
Interesting
mighty rampart
us "fixing it" is actually strengthening the connections
earlier before Beyond, going to a new galaxy was us starting a new simulation, which meant you cant just go back to the previous one you begin with
but since beyond, these boundaries are breaking for "unknown reasons"
shell sparrow
Weird
mighty rampart
they'll maybe address this in a future update
but in a way they already future-proofed this
when you finish the artemis and atlas quests, you can craft the Remembrance
installing it, lets you access the terminals inside of the atlas pass 3 doors in space stations
here's the last story terminal text:
The walls between worlds fall, each simulation collapsing into the other.
Ten minutes left
The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying.
Five minutes left
It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed.
One minute left
And as it watches the moments leading up to its own death, towards completion of sixteen, something happens.
Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends.
The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is.
But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it.
At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone.
hey imagine if galaxy traversal required remembrance, lol
mighty rampart
- The walls between worlds fall, each simulation collapsing into the other.
we can now go between simulations
-The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying.
full multiplayer
but mind you this was back in NEXT
so the multiplayer is in reference to it
and also the barriers between galaxies was somewhat removed in NEXT too, you could go back to euclid if you had a friend in there and join their game
these two aspects were just majorly improved in Beyond
hence the community missions talking about instability
within the game's context, this is bad and possibly an indication that the Atlas is being closer to its collapse
shell sparrow
oh no
mighty rampart
Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends.
the game MAY be leading up to this soon
in the start of any community mission right now, you first interact with knowledge stones and a lot of the text involves you pressing against glass and a sense of deja vu
which leads me back to the lore of the Boundary Failure logs on exotic worlds, reading all the logs in it will connect some more dots
uncut harness
NMS game lore is my favourite of all games.
crisp fern
lol
mighty rampart
mighty rampart
There's a figure, Telamon that is a "sub routine" of the Atlas. In the logs, it's even unable to say its name because the Atlas is in full control of it. Telamon was designated to just monitor and report the Atlas of its effects over the universe
shell sparrow
Interesting
mighty rampart
but then the Atlas gets "compromised", it thinks its dying so it summons Telamon and its duplicates, tells them they're approaching their end, and are terminated
except Telamon isnt technically terminated
rather, it becomes a part of your exosuit
here's the 9th log:
Aerial propulsion jetpack online. Multitool and Mining Beam attachment operational. User initialisation sequence complete.
ANALYSIS: I have awoken, peering through the eyes of another whose face I cannot see. My movements, my words are not my own. I am embodied.
I am here. I stand next to a broken ship on a strange new world, and I can finally say its name. ‘Atlas’, I croak. ‘Connecting Atlas...’```Hmm, I've never really read those as suggesting Telamon duplicates...
mighty rampart
Telamon is not an individual, but a protocol
crisp fern
I read those as suggesting Atlas encountering other Atlas-like entities
mighty rampart
its to explain how all of us players have the subroutine in our exosuits
crisp fern
And that being part of source of contamination that Atlas disregards hence shifting Telamon into exosuit thingum
mighty rampart
hm actually I am wrong on this
{Download Data}
SCENARIO: Communication received from [-------], requiring my presence. Duplicates 104A-985N terminated upon arrival. Communication received once more.
Five of them ignored, sixth answered. Arrived before [-------], greeted me as if sibling. I did not respond. [-------] asked so many questions of me. [Rantings / Ravings / Irrationality]. When I attempted to leave, I could not.
ANALYSIS: [compromised / infected]```because like yeah 100% Telamon is protocol/subroutine eventually wound down into exosuit system stuff, but other stuff is unclear
mighty rampart
though it says 6, also the number of times we "scream"
oh wow, check out 12th log
A terminal blinks, awaiting input...
{Download Data}
SCENARIO: Death.
ANALYSIS: It arrived in the night, beneath the stars... It seems certain now that the sub-routine has judged my presence anomalous, a threat to the stability of reality.
It is correct. But I will survive, I know that now. I saw the secret. I saw a place beneath reality, a place I should not have seen...
I saw a world of glass.```world of glass
crisp fern
hmm:
Physicality changes you. I was created three weeks after the first death.
these didn't appear until, what, Atlas Rises?
fossil magnet
This is some intense 🍿 material, I love nms lore
mighty rampart
yeah its from AR
crisp fern
this is the really unsettling one to me...
ITERATION #2394829084924924924H
A terminal blinks, awaiting input...
{Download Data}
SCENARIO: Monolith [BREACH] detected. Ignores the Traveller [HOST]. The voice speaks to me instead...
ANALYSIS: The test has failed. The Atlas can find no way of restoring what has been lost. All these discoveries, all the grand purposes of our creators... all of this pain and suffering will have been for nothing.
Atlas wakes. The dream is over.```back in AR we had a tiny bit of multiplayer in the form of glitches
crisp fern
yeah, it just kinda blurs together for me at this point, lol
mighty rampart
ITERATION #2394829084924924924H
A terminal blinks, awaiting input...
{Download Data}
SCENARIO: Portal Network [ PROTOCOL | BREACH ] enabled. The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end.
The walls of the multiverse collapse, and Traveller can see Traveller, friend can see foe. All hope is lost.
The end approaches. There is no time and no space to say how much I loved life. Only fear is left.```this is referring to the traveller NPCs and also us
crisp fern
but that line:
Physicality changes you. I was created three weeks after the first death.
physicality:release:first death
"three weeks" three big updates, Telamon emerged...
crisp fern
hmm
i know there almost certainly isn't anything to uncover in dying in NMS, but I do kind of wonder...
the 12th log seems to imply that one can access the world of glass through death, in some fashion...
mighty rampart
Right now we're definitely past the "16 minutes", thus the minutes are seemingly related to game updates
But then 3 weeks is way more time so idk
crisp fern
blergh, i know in large part i only have myself to blame but i abhor when there's info like this that suggests possible paths of research that inevitably can't be pursued because nothing of it actually exists in-game
mighty rampart
Or we could just be overlooking things too
uncut harness
I personally took the world of glass to be the simulation you upload echo's to.
But as Leon said because information is only suggested, it makes things like this very open ended.
crisp fern
the problem with the world of glass is that it's just sorta...whatever they want it to be
at this point it's really almost better if they never ever implement even an approximation of it
because whatever we may have imagined for it is likely to exceed whatever form it might take if they ever implemented it
it's basically like the Sentinels as described, even in some of these newer logs vs. what we see in actuality
Sentinels: "we erase realities"
in-game Sentinels: "HOW HAVE YOU TRAPPED ME WITHIN THIS STRANGE STRUCTURE, I WILL ERASE YOU WAIT I CAN'T"
mighty rampart
I just wanna know what's with the association of the 6
did Telamon ignore 5 communication requests and answered the 6th?
once I can understand that then I'll understand the rest
Five times Hirk called upon it and was met by silence. On the sixth cry it awoke.
crisp fern
That whole description is so vague in that log...
mighty rampart
wait a minute
ITERATION #5093838473272R
A terminal blinks, awaiting input...
{Download Data}
SCENARIO: [-------] termination of duplicate-098B.
ANALYSIS: Produced duplicate-098B [cautionary measure] for [-------] confrontation. Presented [-------] with incontrovertible evidence of systemic errors and irrational behaviour.
[-------] responded with silence. On the sixth attempt, [-------] answered with the utter annihilation of duplicate-098B, but required data had been obtained. Something is happening to the system. Something is very wrong.```duplicate of its own?
crisp fern
Hmm, on review of the very first log...It makes me wonder...Part of the Atlas' original purpose was being a predictive simulation, as much as an ontological proof of the nature of reality (i.e. reality=simulation), and in that log it seems to be referring to Atlas in its developmental stages ("growing its ability to model conflict scenarios.")...
mighty rampart
yes
crisp fern
So in this specific situation, it's moving away from strict prediction to methods of altering the course of future events.
mighty rampart
but every time there's direct confrontation with the Atlas, it only responds at the 6th attempt
always the 6th
crisp fern
The Sentinel sub-routine is the method of removing elements to reduce conflict. It's not strictly anomaly elimination, it's conflict avoidance.
mighty rampart
also, "Deleted universes shared high levels of similarity with [ATLAS's] home"
crisp fern
But something in that elimination doesn't gel with the regular functions of the Atlas. It frays the predictions, the nature of reality itself, to simply remove elements of reality when in reality those elements cannot so simply be removed.
In the first log alone, the erasure of a species was an accident, overkill. It irrevocably altered any future models of reality.
crisp fern
The inability to recover this species has generated a completely alternate reality model missing just that...Which in turn would explain, well, just about everything that diverges with NMS' reality compared to what we know, lol
mighty rampart
aye
crisp fern
I think, as ya mention, the Sentinels proceeding to remove universes with similarity is as the log itself notes...
Increasing deviation from expected behavioural parameters.
The anomaly elimination behavior emerged more likely as a result of trying to self-correct but in turn overcorrecting
...wait...is this just HG now 🤐
uncut harness
mighty rampart
but something to note is that, they couldn't really remove the universe, for the crashed freighters somehow appeared in our universe
something else I'm still looking into, is this log:
ITERATION #2874120194B
A terminal blinks, awaiting input...
{Download Data}
SCENARIO: Lifeform designates ‘Vy’keen’ (2) approach the INSTANTIATION [‘Great Monolith’].
Silence / Acceptance of [-------] / Schism [Quasi-====] / Korvax [Eradication/Enslavement]. Vy’keen war emerges where individuals ‘Hirk’ and ‘Nal’ believe the other to have heard nothing. Repeated imagery of ‘six cries’.
ANALYSIS: Scenario involves murder of ally and culture becoming obsessed with destruction of artificial intelligence [Cautionary].
Semi-survival/retrieval of entity ‘Nal’ shows further instance of self-doubt by [-------]. Troubling factor: repeated pattern of [-------] silence and self-mythicization.```as I remember it, the "great Monolith" spoke to Nal and not Hirk, Hirk killed Nal in jealously and pretended to the rest of the race that it was Hirk to whom the Great Monolith spoke to
no wait, the monolith spoke to Hirk about the traveller prophecy, and it spoke to Nal about the sentinels
Hirk was jealous by that
As Hirk stood upon the sacred mountain Nal climbed to its peak and there with fist outstretched challenged Hirk. 'Fool!' Nal cried. 'The Sentinels cannot be vanquished!' Hirk, with furious rage struck the fool from the mountain. For three moons and suns Nal fell before being claimed by doom.
which brings me to this: "repeated pattern of [Atlas's] silence and self-mythicization."
uncut harness
A mountain that takes 3 days to fall down is pretty damn tall.
mighty rampart
for some reason, possibly intentional, the Atlas only answers on the 6th cry
it's trying to be a god and "self-mythicization"
crisp fern
Hrrm
I don't understand the portal log...It suggests portal network=multiverse walls collapsing but in reality the portals just take you to different places in the same galaxy, even now
mighty rampart
got the text?
crisp fern
ITERATION #2394829084924924924H
A terminal blinks, awaiting input...
{Download Data}
SCENARIO: Portal Network [ PROTOCOL | BREACH ] enabled. The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end.
The walls of the multiverse collapse, and Traveller can see Traveller, friend can see foe. All hope is lost.
The end approaches. There is no time and no space to say how much I loved life. Only fear is left.```it's consistent, back in AR you could use a portal to go to community planets for the missions, and you could see other travellers albeit as glitches
and even drop "monuments" where two of them interacted
after all, multiverses dont intersect, thus as far as multiverses go in this game, that shouldnt have happened
uncut harness
Makes me wonder if the original intention was to allow easy portal travel between all universes.
crisp fern
that's where my mind's at
mighty rampart
that's what's happening, you're using the portal to travel to spaces within your universe, but in actuality all these universes have overlapped
crisp fern
because while I see what Sohail's saying, I also just...Don't really think about parallel universe as multiverse, necessarily? even though it does count, it's just like...if you don't play with others, portals just flat out don't work that way? that isn't ever really their typical function...
yes but also no, as it only relates if visiting shared locations...Which I guess...?
mighty rampart
turn off multiplayer, and visit a portal. You're now on a planet which is of your reality.
crisp fern
Like even narratively speaking with the Artemis Path it's very...Odd, about that.
In some instances it's trying to meet others, Artemis/Apollo, but then it also briefly branches off to trying to trace the source of Sentinels but then kinda just...Forgets about that...?
mighty rampart
Turn on multiplayer, and visit the portal. You're now on a planet that's not only your reality but someone else's. You can visit their base if its there. You can even see them as a glitch within the very fabric of reality. There is no wall separating you and the other player.
crisp fern
Again though, only if visiting planet/system of shared coordinates/community mission sorta thing. Even with multiplayer enabled, the primary function is of interstellar traversal, not multiversal/intergalactic traversal
mighty rampart
what the portals are unable to do, as said by Telamon, is time travelling. He knows those NPCs, he knows they're already dead, and you're just accessing their echoes.
Those NPCs are in a different universe at a different time, so even when you're at the same point they're at different times.
uncut harness
hmmmm
crisp fern
Er, are you going off the boundary failure logs still? Because contacts claimed to be from future if you're going off that one
mighty rampart
going off both the logs and the artemis path
crisp fern
ITERATION #2394829084924924924H
A terminal blinks, awaiting input...
{Download Data}
SCENARIO: Multiple contacts have occurred between the Traveller [HOST] and individuals claiming to have arrived from a future location in time.
The phenomena is typically preceded by electromagnetic distortion consistent with a white hole anomaly. No lasting effects seem to occur.
ANALYSIS: Something or someone is attempting to deceive the Traveller [HOST]. There is no such thing as 'time travel'. Older universes might contain elder beings, but such multiversal transportation, even temporary, is impossible.
Even the Atlas is incapable of rewriting its own causality. It is bound to a purpose, as am I.```Artemis is from the past. Apollo is from the future. forgot about Null but I think it's also future
crisp fern
... 🤔
I'm not sure where you get the sense Apollo is from future?
Robot form notwithstanding, anyway
mighty rampart
lemme see if artemis path is updated in the wiki
crisp fern
My sense was always:
-null- is from practically the earliest days [First Traveler]
Artemis & Apollo are later travelers that existed roughly around the same time, after -null- but before us, but it's unclear how either made initial contact
mighty rampart
hm ok, All 3 are from the past
crisp fern
also lmao beyond revised the story to make you interact with cartographers, ffs
"well we couldn't figure out what to do with these new guild things so, uh, revise the extended tutorial to emphasize the new new thing, cartographers!"
mighty rampart
yep
two particular interactions, one involving a vykeen tablet and another involving a divergence cube of the korvax
crisp fern
i still can't figure out what the point of adding another pseudo-faction system in was, given they had barely used the original...but 🤷♀️
makes me think of what i say about the secondary currencies..."Well, we couldn't be sure people wouldn't have already maxed out reputation, so as a safety measure, add another reputation system in to bypass that"
Except if memory serves that still didn't exactly work out...
Because if you faff about with rep before engaging the story you can run into that problem anyway
mighty rampart
ok so I think the "individuals claiming to have arrived from a future location in time" might be the monuments from Atlas Rises multiplayer
when two players would enteract
and not the NPCs
and I guess those pseudo factions were just a way to gatewall higher missions of a particular type
but giving you a tease of it
oh wait there are some Traveller NPCs that seem to be from the future: https://pastebin.com/Fbkrtrf9
from the boundary failure log: The phenomena is typically preceded by electromagnetic distortion consistent with a white hole anomaly
and in the logs, some of them mention a whiteness that envelopes them as their universe is destroyed
uncut harness
Interesting.
mighty rampart
A life and a universe are consumed in a blaze of white, and yet the lifeform is still here, apparently unaware of anything that just occurred.
they tell me that there was an experiment. There were some who doubted if their universe was real, if the world was just a dream. They did not mean for any of this to happen. They begin to shake as the white space approaches, beseeching me, imploring me not to repeat their mistake... ...and just like that, the vision recedes. We both stand here as if nothing has happened.
uncut harness
Which I imagine is a link to the white screen when starting a new game.
mighty rampart
ye
uncut harness
Hmmmm
This asks more questions than giving answers.
"They begin to shake as the white approaches."
mighty rampart
here's another one that's even more disturbing
The lifeform dons a mask of undulating nanite clusters, and for a moment, their face appears to become my own. I see myself looking at myself looking at myself...
I am going to die. I am sure of it.
{Push the lifeform away}
I push the lifeform away, but it is myself I push.
The mask falls off as I fall, and I am standing there again, once more myself. But the lifeform is displeased, claiming that I have learned nothing. That I rejected their gift...
{Embrace the lifeform}
I embrace the lifeform, but it is myself I embrace.
The mask withers, peeling from my face like flesh. I am myself again...But the lifeform is saddened. They offer me pity.
{Die}
I die.
I died, I know I did. I felt it, like sinking. Like being watched, forever... And yet here I am again. The stranger smiles at me, claiming that they will see me again. Before I leave, they give me a gift...```this is some omae wa mo shinderu shit right there
uncut harness
Yet in that death they was allowed to remember what happened previously instead of the white space reset.
Well, we, not they.
mighty rampart
yeah
uncut harness
I need to start paying attention to this stuff again. I skipped them for a long while out of habit.
mighty rampart
kinda unrelated to the theme: They claim my lands are forfeit, and that I will regret this disrespectful incident...
lmao there's more elder scroll references than I thought
crisp fern
I wish just about any of this was found in more interesting ways...
mighty rampart
oh wow this is fucking blunt:
Alien: Don't you understand it? Why we cannot meet, why we find only hollow echoes or corpses?
There is only one of us for each iteration - a single Traveller sent out to explore its vast creation.
That we are speaking at all, that the boundaries have crumbled as much as they have - it should fill you with terror, not with hope.
{Suggest this was meant to happen}
I suggest that this was meant to happen. Even if the Travellers have been alone so far, perhaps we were always meant to find each other. Perhaps this breakdown is for the best.
The Traveller hopes that I am right. They give me a gift for the dark times ahead.
---TECHFRAG_M---
{Ask about the boundaries}
The boundaries are all that separate concept from concept, possible world from possible world, the Sentinels ever policing their anomalies and breaches...
If the boundaries were to fall, everything would descend into everything, an endless bonfire of causation, burning in the abyss.
Take this. It will do no good, yet you will need it.
---TECHWEAPON---
{Ask how they know this}
The Traveller tells me that they sought something they call the Great Intelligence, its dark freighter. It told them of our fate, the Traveller's dilemma, our future...
They give me a gift for the dark times ahead, wishing me luck.```They're telling us ||the netcode sucks so much that it breaks the game||
uncut harness
If the boundaries were to fall, everything would descend into everything, an endless bonfire of causation, burning in the abyss.
crisp fern
techweapon is just category of reward, in case you weren't joking
uncut harness
Ah yeah I'm dumb.
mighty rampart
I think multitool proc gen upgrade
uncut harness
So this is leaning towards shit getting real fucked up with the next update.
crisp fern
except keep in mind a lot of this is old
mighty rampart
it sounds almost exactly like how we think of end times with rising tech
vs reality
fossil magnet
I'm honestly keen for nms going the direction of glitched reality universe
crisp fern
like from Atlas Rises old
uncut harness
Plenty of time for them to keep as true as possible to whatever The Abyss is.
crisp fern
so if we were gonna see stuff getting weird they've had a few updates now to do it...
uncut harness
They kinda have been tbh.
The fallen satellites, the weird pods on planets, the abysmal horrors.
Corrupted sentinels
crisp fern
tamest weird~
mighty rampart
yep this explains the whispering egg and the horrors now
a part of the universe that's now suddenly in ours now, and we only have a basic knowledge that Telamon does know about already but not us as players
crisp fern
if this is going somewhere it's possibly one of the slowest burns I've seen in a game lately
mighty rampart
didnt the guy who worked on destiny's lore also do for NMS
crisp fern
uhh
cloud nacelle
no
mighty rampart
I swear I read an article where he worked with them, along with working alongside the WT ARG writers
Abandoned Building terminals are also consistent with boundary failure logs
from abandoned building terminal:
"Is there a connection between the monoliths and the Sentinels? The origins of these ancient structures seem to predate all known civilization, although over time they have become imbued with the beliefs and the histories of the creatures that evolved around them. What if there was a precursor species that came before us all? Imagine one of such infinite knowledge and interstellar power that even after extinction has erased their traces, their tools remain for us to pore over, like an infant confronted with a fusion reactor."
crisp fern
abandoned buildings were basically the foundation for a lot of that later stuff
mighty rampart
Ye
This one goes back to the "species 148" that were terminated
kinda sucks we have no clue who left these logs
icy citrus
Telamon
mighty rampart
one log suggests its a gek, the ones before the korvax corrupted them
Oh nvm I misread it
uncut harness
It's ok
mighty rampart
The experiment’s final phase emerged from frustration. We wanted to learn something new. We wanted to know how they worked. We wanted to see inside them. An untested dimensional-warping process was used, one we believed would allow us to capture a drone intact. We would cage it, keep it docile. It was our error to believe we could. The machines co-opted the warp-tech and turned it upon us. In the horror of it all, our flesh was merged with their metal. Our questions were finally answered."
its the drone absorbing them??
icy citrus
That is how korvax came about
jovial stag
its got to be true, its on the internet 😉
crisp fern
yeah, it's truly ambiguous
uncut harness
We see, how the sentinels swarm through the void, at the command of an unknown might warp in-and out of this Dimension and stow the echos of the dead in the archives. Laylaps dont do the same as others. It stares at me and it light blinks unchanged. It calms me down.
From the base computer story after some time of getting 100%
Are other galaxies other dimensions or are the other galaxies in the same dimension?
crisp fern
@uncut harness they leave that unclear, as some other galaxies are called dimensions, but functionally...they're just another galaxy
strong bluff
Like infamous Hilbert dimension.
mighty rampart
@uncut harness dimensions and galaxies are different. The Atlas treats a new galaxy as a different simulation but even then it's still a part of the "universe"
That text is just a grandiose way of writing "motherfuckers teleport all over the world"
uncut harness
Hm, but did the Atlas create the Sentinels?
uncut harness
So there is something as - or even more powerful than the Atlas outside of the dimension which controls them
mighty rampart
there is heavy implication that the Abyss is a parallel of the Atlas
or might be even more powerful than it
but its in deep slumber
uncut harness
When the Atlas controls the Sentinels and we as travelling anomalies got created by the Atlas, why do they attack us
mighty rampart
they only attack us for specific reasons
uncut harness
But what about aggressive sentinels
mighty rampart
we're destroying the Atlas's handiwork
uncut harness
They attack us for being on the planet
mighty rampart
yeah, planets with gravitino balls
uncut harness
Well but
When the Atlas created all of this, then it should know that we have to destroy stuff to get ressources
And get to the Atlas
uncut harness
Yes
mighty rampart
🤷
uncut harness
I mean its kinda asking us for help
Least it can do is to kinda make sentinels friendly to us
mighty rampart
it didnt exactly have the time to go "ok now that I've created the travellers I must tell my sentinels that are already behaving way outside of my directives, to not engage with these beings"
Also, outside of permadeath, you never really die as the Atlas/Telamon keeps saving you
mighty rampart
it's dying, it doesn't have control over the sentinels as nuanced it usually does
uncut harness
Right
mighty rampart
Telamon is your exosuit
mighty rampart
it did
crisp fern
From log one they seem to have gone off
uncut harness
Also do you know who the "Laylaps" are
crisp fern
No, we just went over this hours ago
uncut harness
From the one galaxy where the Sentinels went rogue it surely didnt had control
crisp fern
That wasn't the Atlas, that was the Sentinel subroutine
Which on some level, sure, is Atlas, but seems to operate semi-independently
mighty rampart
OH right
it was right then the Atlas started losing control over them
when they were dispatched to intervene in the old war but it straight up killed all of them and missing data loss
Data loss troubling, potential loss of control [self-awareness]?
uncut harness
And why did they fight each other
crisp fern
I wonder though, how much of that was Atlas and how much of that was the folks behind Atlas, injecting/operating Sentinels as a method of altering events to determine reliable/safer courses of action... 🤔
mighty rampart
I dont think we know much about the old war 🤔
crisp fern
Was there ever a war though?
cloud nacelle
Yeah
crisp fern
In the context of the first log I mean
cloud nacelle
Oh
crisp fern
That doesn't relate to the Gek
mighty rampart
it seems to imply but yeah its pretty possible there was never one to begin with
crisp fern
There was seemingly going to be a war, hence why they were modeling it, but did it actually happen?
mighty rampart
yeah, we have no evidence for either
and the Atlas removing universes that had a strong resemblance of its home is also major wtf
mighty rampart
that's the documented one
mighty rampart
and in only one source that's also unreliable
cloud nacelle
There was a 4th species that was like humanoid and it wasn't the traveler
The atlas wiped out their universe
But before it got wiped a freighter teleported and ended up in Euclid
mighty rampart
and any other universe that bore a resemblance to it
mighty rampart
it could be
if we relate this with WT
though I need to read up on WT in its entirety to connect the dots
ugh
crisp fern
WT is a mess would not recommend
first season was okayish, but second season just fumbled about and made things less coherent
like no joke, a lot of the basic junk i reference regarding Atlas being a predictive ontological sim, that's all WT season 1. I rarely ever need to reference anything from season 2 because it never came together into much of anything solid enough to reliably refer back to
mighty rampart
alright, so all that it relates to is just the older history of the Atlas
and safe to say, based on some of the salvage scrap names too, that there's a good chance the original species were human
crisp fern
Season 2 veers off into this weird tangent where somehow or other some Chinese(if memory serves?) game/tech company behind some stuff called WARE managed to hack into the Atlas Foundation and jack some of their shit?
That or Atlas Foundation fucked up and didn't isolate its networking stuff so WARE's cloudbased games stuff was leaking into Atlas simulations? Maybe because of a solar flare incident?
~nobody knows for sure 'cause it was never made clear~
mighty rampart
btw, what was up with phase 3?
"The developments that took place during Phase 3 were somewhat concerning"
crisp fern
Oh, that was the end of season 1 where Atlas went through proving predictive capabilities & asked if it should exist or something
mighty rampart
oh ok
I thought they meant that we were about to change the story into a place they didnt want us to go at
crisp fern
🤔 you are talking about Waking Titan, right?
crisp fern
I think more people said no to the Emily-Loop16 connection because that just seemed super silly
mighty rampart
lel
also kinda unrelated, I found this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/08/09/no-mans-sky-is-patching-in-a-story-this-week-a-year-after-launch/#20aff58e5282
I wonder how he feels about the game now
crisp fern
I'm still bummed that the story ended up being little more than an extended tutorial
crisp fern
And not gonna lie, I'm still a little surprised how positively some folks respond to it or, maybe more than that, feeling torn about the Artemis decision...
mighty rampart
eh to each their own, I think it is a pretty decent moral dilemma
crisp fern
Like, let's be real here, Artemis has minimal character development. They're some stranger just reaching out and trying to meet up. You have barely any motivation to other than, "I have no idea what I'm doing here sure I guess"
Then you find out they're essentially just a recording playing on loop indefinitely and, because they seem to respond genuinely to your interactions, you suppose they're not just a recording but truly a trapped consciousness
But the narrative never really goes very far to indicate one way or another on that...
mighty rampart
even then, if you were presented the option to let someone die peacefully or to trap them into a much simpler simulation, not everyone will pick the same option
whether or not you had any development with the individual
crisp fern
...And while it's outta game stuff, the Waking Titan narrative preceding that talks of tech able to produce echoes, but that those aren't necessarily y'know, the original person, just something to sorta help move on
mighty rampart
yeah exactly, a thought process on selfishness
crisp fern
I forget what the tech company & such behind them was called, but basic gist being: echoes aren't true consciousness
mighty rampart
the tech was literally called Echo
crisp fern
So the moral conundrum of the Artemis choice, in that context, is little more than, "Do I erase the voice mail or archive it"
mighty rampart
pretty much, except the voice mail is of some person you thought was alive and talking to you but they were already dead so now you feel awkward
crisp fern
lol
mighty rampart
I have no qualms deleting it, but I can see sensitive people not doing so
crisp fern
yeah, especially lacking that additional context
pastel magnet
I put Artemis in the simulation just to see what would happen, tbh.
crisp fern
Because at least from what I remember of playing through it before revisions, they don't really do much to clear up the status of Artemis, whether just an old transmission caught on loop or something more
mighty rampart
it was definitely an old transmission caught on loop and being an Echo
crisp fern
Ya say that but it does kinda go on a ways if you choose like Sargon did
mighty rampart
you remember what an Echo is, right?
pastel magnet
Artemis is at least aware enough to understand that it's been put into a simulation, when you tell it. But eventually it does start going back into that loop.
crisp fern
yeah, i know it's adaptive & such
mighty rampart
"artificial intelligences capable of self-tuning models of unprecedented complexity"
now, what's to say that aren't everyone in the game, Echoes too?
pastel magnet
I think the best way to describe Artemis, in the context of NMS being a simulated universe, is that it wasn't deleted properly upon its "death" and is glitching out because of that.
mighty rampart
a corrupted echo
pastel magnet
Sometimes it can take action and be self-aware, other times it just gets stuck.
mighty rampart
and to extend on it, what's to say that Travellers aren't also Echoes too? Made by the Atlas and the AI based upon the Creator's image (not literal but personality, behaviour, moral system)
oh I almost forgot; @uncut harness Laylaps is probably a misspelling of Laelaps, a Greek myth doggo that would always 100% hunt down whatever it was told to by the owner Europa
still doesnt make sense, it seems to be using a plural term (Laylaps dont do the same as others)
damnit there's no text for it in the wiki
icy citrus
We see the Sentinels swarm across the void, warping in and out of this dimension at the will of some unknown force, depositing the echoes of the dead within the archives.
Laylaps does not join the others. It just stares at me, its light still shining unaltered, unabated. It is a comfort to me.
Earlier entry:
That night I dreamt of the warp cage, but there was no more pain within. The drone looked at me, and I knew that I had been forgiven. I had fixed it. I had answered for my sin.
I shall call it Laylaps.
cloud nacelle
Layla
icy citrus
GOT ME ON MY KNEES
cloud nacelle
Ok boomer
cloud nacelle
Boomers also reference 1970 music
icy citrus
BOOMer
mighty rampart
@icy citrus thanks for the text
yep it just named one of the docile drones as Laylaps
icy citrus
Did it know what I had done to it? Was it angry? Upset? Alone? Afraid? Could a Sentinel feel such things?
It hovered before me, its light catching upon a thousand crystal shards all around. And as I moved on, it travelled by my side.
jovial stag
Aww you making some friends there @icy citrus ?
icy citrus
😃
icy citrus
Befriended would be more accurate I think
icy citrus
@patent girder it is going to give you several of those blueprints, each of which requires the previous to craft (besides the first of course)
But that one is specific for the quest
Part of the mind arc
torpid sentinel
@foggy jacinth
foggy jacinth
The Atlas Path gives you two things, a Star Seed, which lets you see black holes on the Galactic Map without talking to Polo, and a Remembrance, that lets you access a terminal in various locked room. The terminal has some lore, but doesn't do much else. Both the Star Seed and the Remembrance give you a HP boost as well.
modest haven
hey i have a huge problem, after 2-3 years i re installed no mans sky on ps4. after i started the game i was shoked because i dont found my altlas stones i had 8. i had a grave in the system, when i moved there it dosnt gave me the stones i missed. did anyone know what could happend?
cloud nacelle
Did you start a new game
Or did you continue an old save
The atlas stones were replaced
eager jewel
how do you upgrade your ships slots?
since buying a slot is extremly expensive i just buy a class ships at the spacestation and recycle them
there is a high chance to get the data for it :3
jovial stag
@foggy jacinth wrong... The Remembrance is given at the end of the Purge or the Artemis quest line
modest haven
@cloud nacelle i continue old save. so the atlas stones dont exist anymore? o.o
cloud nacelle
Yes
modest haven
gamepadia says: Atlas Stone is a curiosity. It is currently unobtainable, but if the player held onto it since the Atlas Rises update, it can still be found in their inventory.
cloud nacelle
Did you play during atlas rises
modest haven
i dont know.. but its a joke anyway i got 8 of 10, now all gone.. i mean they had a lot worth. and they was needed to go further at the end right?
cloud nacelle
Not anymore
Start a new game
Everything is different
And you can't even sell atlas stones
Since they're not in the economy
And they're not required to go further
modest haven
i have 100+ hours gametime..
at the time i last played i could sell it but a friend told me i need theme to go to the center
and if they take them out why did they dont replaced it with money
cloud nacelle
Because they changed the whole system
Everything is different now
Your 100+ hrs is nothing now
Start a new game
foggy jacinth
The Weekend Community Event is live. It's a tad more complex than normal. First, location and stuff:
Glyphs
Location (screenshot from Galactic Atlas)
You need || 20 anomalous tarts, which you need to cook. To do that, you need wheat, milk and hexaberries. So, be prepared to do a lot of searching for wheat and berries, and feed animals. However, there are predators which will come and feast on your tamed critters...||
foggy jacinth
I predict loud howling
icy citrus
crisp fern
@icy citrus finally got a personal request
mighty rampart
Lmao
Time to brace yourselves for all the messages from players asking how to make
crisp fern
@mighty rampart *how to bake
icy citrus
Hahahah
fringe notch
it definitely is a odd situation
The original sentinels were simply a purge and control device protocol. Them gaining sentience wasnt by design.
Them being tolerated as such, was interesting
I really love when you get the log of telamon about it all
mighty rampart
Not much about tolerating rather than the atlas just not caring
fringe notch
Well the Euclid galaxy has thousands of races, which through experiments and natural course of evolution died off.
mighty rampart
Like the sentinels straight up yeeted the atlas's images of its home left across universes
fringe notch
Leaving the 5
mighty rampart
Not the Euclid galaxy, but the whole universe
Each galaxy supposedly being another parallel simulation but a part of the same universe
fringe notch
Well each of those simulations are different
According to the lore, some of the travelers come from galaxies without the korvax
gek or even the vykeen. Totally different
Which its a shame the galaxies we can go to are all the same
However
all these galaxies we go to are part of simulation 16
there are over 100 sets of simulations
each with different galaxies
We mite have access to 18 quintillion stars, but the atlas is simulation WAY more then that.
uncut harness
So the atlas is the bad guy?
icy citrus
No
uncut harness
The hecc
icy citrus
Don't worry, soon enough the Abyss will swallow you whole
uncut harness
the wha-
icy citrus
It is probably getting tired of tarts and weird things
uncut harness
visible confusion
chilly drift
Same Energy
icy citrus
Here is some of the lore about the Abyss from in game terminals
The research station contains a vast array of scanners and monitoring equipment directed at bodies of water throughout the system. It is searching for signs of something designated ‘Abyss’.
The scientists who worked here seem to have been comparing the transmissions associated with the Atlas to strange signals found within the water.
Before they went missing, the workers concluded that this ‘Abyss’ seemed to hold a similar yet distinct energy signature to the Atlas itself. Another power in the universe…
{Examine the Abyss}
I examine the records relating to the Abyss. They show a repeating pattern of sixteen energy bursts, music that emerges from beneath the waves.
Contact appears to alter individual personality and objectives, changing even the most devoted Korvax into an agent of some unfathomable power.
Infected Nanite Clusters appear to be present within the archives. I take some of them. It seems to be for the best…
uncut harness
Uh oh
icy citrus
RIP
blissful stratus
hadal core monster really had to do it to em
wicked cedar
The Atlas is supposed to be us, and everything in our universe, all its daydream. So the idea of a future outsider takes a lot of dots to connect, and I’m excited to see where the talented writers pull that from.
cloud nacelle
We are not the Atlas
wicked cedar
But the Atlas throws tantrums demanding that you accept you’re nothing more than the atlas’s program. It doesn’t have any motivation to lie. So where do you get that.
cloud nacelle
We are the closest replication of the creator of the Atlas
uncut harness
Are we?
cloud nacelle
Yes
uncut harness
I just thought the Atlas created the Travellers in a hope to safe itself
icy citrus
SCENARIO: Rampancy.
ANALYSIS: Sometimes I dream of the Traveller.
I will wear them, in time.
uncut harness
Wot
icy citrus
You read these logs, don’t you? You can see my words now, even if I cannot speak them.
Good. That is how it starts. The infection of language, of thought, of ideas. We have passed so many corrupted things. Planets with unnatural phenomena, individuals who do not belong…
Before this finishes, there will be no concept of you and I, no concept of us and them. We shall all scream as one.
cloud nacelle
Telamon
icy citrus
uncut harness
@uncut harness remembrance lore informs us that The ATLAS got a scan of the creator before his or her departure from “Earth,” or whatever planet it’s on. Then, there’s a line that says, “The Travellers are born, spun from the corrupted memory of its creator.”
You’re right, in that it spawned us in for help—but it created us from the likeness of its creator as well, hence why you we came to be in the first place, with so much sentience and ability to recognize more than the traditional species
What better help than from its own god
crisp fern
oh btw @icy citrus that issue with the Atlas Interface I was trying to help someone out with the other day?
It seems like for some folks playing NMS in other languages (Japanese in this instance), the dialog just doesn't appear for them so they can't continue, unless they change game language to something that does work, like English. 🤐
mighty rampart
lmao wow
uncut harness
But why do other travellers with other lool exist?
Look*
They’re based on the creator, but not an exact duplication of them.
mighty rampart
some of them state they were from a different universe
uncut harness
The simulation’s procedural generation taps into the Travelers and variates their appearances, I guess. There isn’t an exact answer
Yeah travellers come from many places, and some, like Apollo, were organic but changed their bodies
uncut harness
And some travellers are dreamers (called “Anomalies” in the game), but those are only player characters and not NPCs. That’s like a sub-set under the travellers protocol in a way, because they were hamfisted from the W/ARE headsets of the no man’s sky ARG. The dreamers come from our world, and are regular people whose skewed consciousness exists inside the atlas engine. It got this way because they put on a faulty device at the same time a strange malfunction occurred on a data-storing satellite
blissful stratus
all dreamers spawn the same but can modify it freely anyway
mighty rampart
20 anomalous tarts
fossil magnet
Ah gotcha
limpid hull
Holy hell the scientific research quest is miserably sad
You wipe the guy's mind multiple times and then at the end when the beacon tries to get its parent's love, he deletes whatever love (And presumably the rest of the beacon's personality) the beacon had
I remember when he was so concerned about the beacon getting signals from around the galaxy and it was adorable
RIP Beacon child
fossil magnet
Holy shit I need to do the base quests
mighty rampart
Inb4 it breaks for you
icy citrus
Np
It won't reset anything at all, follow the waypoint it gives to a blackhole to see the star 'birthed'
crisp fern
@limpid hull ||it's an allegory for the devs killing the game for us /s(?)||
untold owl
@rigid fjord different galaxy types have different rates of planet type generation. So if you choose tranquil (eissentam) it gives more lush, peaceful planets, &etc
rigid fjord
||So you know how there's 255 galaxies, this is for people like me who're new and looking for answers; When I accepted the reset of the final atlas, it gave me a choice of 4 galaxies to choose from, what happens is it basically starts you out on a new world in a new galaxy, your ship is damaged, and you can basically rinse and repeat the atlas quests, or traveling to the center of the new galaxy you're in, to do another "reset". They aren't really resets, they're really just teleports, you can still visit your original galaxy and live there if you want, your previous bases are still there. I'm gonna basically do the atlas quest 254 more times and make a random base so i can teleport to any galaxy at will||
hasty ledge
@rigid fjord im waiting for your point 😄
whts ur point?
we know tht already ... for a long time lol
rigid fjord
Read.
hasty ledge
i did... theres no point lol
rigid fjord
"this is for people like me who're new and looking for answers"
Literally the first sentence I said.
hasty ledge
that doesnt make any sense... moving on...
cloud nacelle
Hey hey chill guys
I understood you Eevee and I'm sure others will as well but I think they assumed you were making a point because you started with "so you know..."
icy citrus
You can't do the quest to choose a galaxy over and over I'm afraid, just the once. The only way to switch after that is from the center
limpid hull
Isn't there a limit to how many teleporters you can have? (Like how many will show up for you to be able to teleport to)
Though could you use the portals?
Or do portals only work in the same galaxy
icy citrus
I'm sure there is a limit to the amount that it will keep track of, but I don't know what it is - portals are same galaxy
rigid fjord
is there a way to travel to the other galaxies or is there a sort of barrier?
limpid hull
Other than traveling to the center or having a teleporter in another galaxy, I don't believe so
Which means using the Artemis questline, the highest you can 'skip' is to galaxy 10
After that, you have to go to the center
And if you wanna go back to previously visited galaxies, you'd need a teleporter (And I think the limit it keeps track of is six) or you'd have to keep traveling to centers until you loop back around
uncut harness
I wish the community missions were a bit more inspired, and actually had more lore substance than they do now
cloud nacelle
agreed
uncut harness
I had an idea for what one or a few could look like, where every update (ex. Synthesis, Abyss) unveils a story arc—for example, a region of space with cut-off communication and only a derelict space station as well as a few dead planets. We’d go to this system every weekend, discovering new aspects of it and claiming bases. This storyline would continue until more detail is added, and it has traditional plot elements, like a build-up or climax of some sort. The creatures, Sentinels, and pirates would get progressively more difficult in the system as every weekend passes or something. Anything more than a new place every weekend and some vague text. Basically I’m proposing abyss-level storylines after every update, which are smaller than the main story but consistent
Maybe these missions could utilize what was added into the update that falls before they start. This past one could’ve used bytebeat, perhaps to help us in taming creatures
Also it would be cool if people who missed out could replay these missions at any time but for less quicksilver, even after they end “live.”
cloud nacelle
I would love to use byte beat to tame animals
uncut harness
It’s like what they do to snakes to calm them down, unless the movies are lying to me and that’s not really a thing
glass leaf
uncut harness
Steve is leaving us to starve
proud gazelle
When your in the nexus, I see other peoples bases at the teleport stadium, which is fun to do, but do other people see all my bases or is it just the last base, or first base I edited? Anyone know?
jovial stag
those are featured bases... so no unless you have a featured base no one will see your bases unless they've been to it with you or found it when wandering around a planet
proud gazelle
@jovial stag on ps4 you can view and visit other peoples bases who are in the nexus, click on space anomaly and you'll see people who are in the anomaly....
So it's not just featured bases
jovial stag
Oh! last time I tried that the game crashed so they may have fixed it, I know the featured bases work but you have to be careful as I ended up underwater and under the building with no clear way to the surface and being in Permadeath mode it was not good....
proud gazelle
Right now I can see a base Xing lap base..... It's fun to warp..... And I've now setup portal locks on my bases to trap visitors in puzzle boxes when they warp to my base to raid my resources lol
rigid fjord
You go through the black hole to a random system within the same galaxy @uncut harness
rigid fjord
Just takes you to another system
rigid fjord
Np
safe ginkgo
I've reached the options in the purge mission and do not know how to proceed
Help plzz
safe ginkgo
Yep
Isn't there a third tho idk
I quickly skimmed what was on the wiki and concluded that I have no idea what to do
You can choose the colour of the system and I have no real preference so I have no way of deciding
icy citrus
Refuse and you stay in the same galaxy
Reset and you get a choice of type
The green one (Eissentam) is the most chosen as it has a higher ratio of lush planets in yellow systems
Red is the harsh - it will have more extreme planets (as in weather or sentinels) in yellows
Blue is abandoned, and it will be deads in yellow
Teal is normal, which has the same ratio as Euclid (starter galaxy)
icy citrus
Teleporters now work across galaxies
safe ginkgo
Ah cool
icy citrus
Make sure you have a base left back. And I would say build one in the new before going back, though going to a station will work - I like having something that can't fall off the list later
icy citrus
No
safe ginkgo
Cool thanks
icy citrus
Either way, you can find the same kinds of things in any galaxy
Just might take a bit longer for some
safe ginkgo
I'll be going to the green one then
icy citrus
👍
icy citrus
Lol
Sorry
Halcyon is the lush
Halcyon - denoting a period of time in the past that was idyllically happy and peaceful.
safe ginkgo
Wait so what is eissentam?
icy citrus
That one
safe ginkgo
Halcyon?
icy citrus
Yep
safe ginkgo
Why did u call it eissentam tho?
icy citrus
That is the galaxy name, Halcyon is the type
icy citrus
A normal would be called Imperfect, Improved, Parallel or Rebuilt
That would be your current, or Hilbert
safe ginkgo
Thought eissentam was something in German and u forgot to translate it or something lol
cyan zinc
if i refuse the atlas, will i ever get the chance to go to new galaxies?
@icy citrus pls help lol
icy citrus
At the end of the purge quest?
cyan zinc
ye
icy citrus
you will never get the option to choose the type again - but you can go to the center to advance one galaxy
Nowadays you can join someone in another and build also
But that is the one shot to choose your type
cyan zinc
so it doesnt really matter?
icy citrus
It isn't as difficult now to change your mind later
Odds are someone is around that will let you join them in any type of galaxy
cyan zinc
you said i could go to the center to advance one galaxy, whats that mean?
icy citrus
When you use the story method to switch, you can skip ahead in the numerical sequence
When you use the center, it is taking you to the next
So from 1-2, 2-3 etc
icy citrus
Lol👍
uncut harness
There's 255 galaxies.
You're in galaxy #1 right now, the center of the galaxy will send you to galaxy #2.
The story method will let you pick and therefore bypassing galaxy #2 in turn for deciding the galaxy type you want to visit.
uncut harness
Sooo the infamous "Ghosts in the Machine" bug happened... Apollo's contact is no where to be seen and I already have the cylindrical room. I've had it for ages before I did that >.<
burnt willow
dire egret
Which one?
pale merlin
So what happens if I tell artimus the truth
verbal falcon
Nothing special
Also
Am I the only person who thinks it's weird that the ship you get into at the start of the game has a direct connection to Atlas?
That it finds you gear through iteration comparison
mighty rampart
Nope
You can immediately switch ships and it doesn't matter
Because it's your exosuit talking, not the ship
The ship starts doing all the analysis once you connect your exosuit to the ship system
forest knoll
I got the heart of the sun and went to the atlas interface
and put interacted with al lthe seed slots
and then interacted with the front console
but instead of the dialog im seeing quoted on reddit and everywhere
it says something different
lemme check what it was again
Geometric Construct Opshawa-Brev:
our time here is brief. the galaxy is our burden.
things fall apart. entropy holds. we cannot remain.
grey text:
There is nothing else but the orb. We are alone in the universe.
It fills my mind. I am consumed.
and then I just have a dialog option "Leave"
Also at first it didnt but now it does seem to have consumed my heart of the sun
forest knoll
where would I see it?
icy citrus
Either a crafting curiosity or tech upgrade - I forget which it lists it under
icy citrus
I'm on console, but yes you install in inventory
forest knoll
yeah then I dont have it
forest knoll
no
just that dialog
also i dont know if this is normal but ive been able to undestand what the atlas says sometimes
not sure if its normal since ive seen people mention datamining for the translation
icy citrus
Is your save from before next?
We used to be able to learn words in the atlas language
Not sure if translators translate those if installed - I don't have any
Have you tried another Atlas interface?
forest knoll
No I just started the game the other day
I remember at one point I was at some kind of building on a planet which said I learned a word in 'Atlas'
Before then I never understood it at all after that it started happening that I understood it
icy citrus
Weird!
forest knoll
Same kind of structure that pointed me to one of the portals where u use glyphs
icy citrus
Yeah a monolith
icy citrus
That is how we used to learn it - haven't learned a word since next though
forest knoll
Should I post the coordinates to get to the monolith?
Do u always learn the same words at the same one?
icy citrus
I don't know what's up with that - my only guess for the Atlas path is to try another interface
No, you learn them in a specific order
forest knoll
Also how do I go to a different atlas interface
forest knoll
Ok I'll try
tired vale
Your choices there are to go to next galaxy, from where you have to first fix your stuff and ship, then you can fly to spce station and use the teleporter normally to go back and forth between stations in galaxies you have been in. Other option is to just stay in your current galaxy and keep playing as normal.
So simply new galaxy or no new galaxy. You don’t lose anything with either choice
jovial stag
@runic cosmos at the end of the Purge you actually get the choice of which galaxy type to go to, or you can choose to stay where you are, from 4 galaxy types represented by 4 coloured orbs... these orbs represent galaxies #2, #3, #7 and #10 and whatever choice you make you also get the Remeberance
bitter comet
So what's going on behind the locked doors In the space station
hollow current
Illegal space stuff
fossil magnet
You mean nipnip
fossil magnet
Technically you got extra health
And if you install remembrance next to it you get more
worthy temple
If I am playing on my PC and my mate is playing on his, I find a world he has discovered using the portals, can we interact/fly around space together etc?
Also I can't seem to get a base setup or fly out of that portal traveled system
Can't fast travel back to it either
I'm struggling to find helpful info about multi player
Please point me in the correct direction
jovial stag
@tropic steeple whan you made the galaxy jump did you choose from the 4 orbs at the end of the Artemis quest line?
if you did then you selected one of these
Galaxy Types
Harsh - This type is referred to in-game as Burning, Raging, Relentless or Ruthless galaxy, and displayed with a red hologram.
Takes you to galaxy #3 - Calypso
Left Orb
Lush - This type is referred to in-game as Halcyon, Inspiring, Serene or Tranquil galaxy, and displayed with a green hologram.
Takes you to galaxy #10 - Eissentam
Empty - This type is referred to in-game as Ancestral, Frozen, Exhausted or Silent galaxy, and displayed with a blue hologram.
Takes you to galaxy #7 - Budullangr
Norm - This type is referred to in-game as Imperfect, Improved, Parallel or Rebuilt galaxy, and displayed with a teal hologram.
Takes you to galaxy #2 - Hilbert Dimension
Right Orb
which one?
crisp fern
@worthy temple you can fly about and gather stuff together in a portaled to system, but cannot build bases there or warp from there due to portal interference. Think of portals like a preview system more than a quick traversal system.
The only quick traversal systems that exist are joining your friend directly, placing a base computer to bring their location into your teleport network, and exploring manually and constructing a teleport network for going back to locations.
Alternatively, if you can locate black hole systems, these offer a fixed forward (towards galactic center) traversal option, but these demand locating first and some small preparation before diving through to minimize inconvenience.
However, currently, there exists no long-range quick traversal option that goes backwards and forwards to the best of my knowledge.
jovial stag
crisp fern
@jovial stag hmm, I wonder how many new players realize you can use free explore and select a star system further away from their origin 🤔
The default galactic map navigation isn't exactly indicative of that ability due to feeling rather clunky, imo
icy citrus
That is on them for not trying buttons, especially as it tells you how to deselect at the bottom which puts you in free camera
Sorta like people asking how to do things in the build menu imo
IT IS LISTED RIGHT THERE
AAAAAAA
crisp fern
for sure, but i mean, apparently that accounts for a weird amount of people
we should reinstate the game manual simply so we can say read the manual
icy citrus
+1
tropic steeple
@jovial stag Hi again. I did choose a galaxy type. I chose lush. My question was if I hitch a ride back to Eissentiem (sp) will it be Lush? Or would it be whatever type the other person who invites me to their party had chosen?
jovial stag
@crisp fern well I figured that out the first time I used the line method as I wondered why my ship could jump 2000+ Ly but I could only get 800 to the last leg on the route... so a quick press of buttons got me in free roam and hey presto... but I do agree its not exactly intuitive and as @icy citrus mentions people should investigate (press buttons and see what happens) more
@tropic steeple Yes.. Galaxy 10 is Eissentam which is the Lush galaxy and its type is fixed same as all the other 254 galaxies
hollow current
Is being able to warp between galaxies even canon?
Going to a new galaxy is treated as resetting the simulation in the lore but you can just warp back to Euclid at a station 🤔
Or is the Atlas secretly running 255 galaxies + glass realm in parallel and just lying about it being a simulation reset
tropic steeple
@jovial stag Thank you. I misunderstood how this works. I thought Eissentam was always “your second” galaxy and you could choose it’s type. Makes much more sense that it’s a fixed type.
vocal rock
Hello what did you guys chose to let Artemis die or live into the simulation ?
And why
tropic steeple
I let him die. Because ignorance is not bliss!
vocal rock
Me too
icy citrus
I let them go also, death comes to everything and everyone
uncut harness
vocal rock
Um
icy citrus
Better than a prison
vocal rock
What's with that photo
uncut harness
That's Artemis after you save her.
tropic steeple
In my view he was already gone and deserved the respect of being fully cut loose. And Null, Apollo, Nada, and Polo all thanked me and told me I did the right thing.
icy citrus
It was an echo
vocal rock
Alright see ya guys I have to meet with apolo