also it's eerie as hell when you're in the haze zone. no music or tunes playing as you zoom towards the center, no stars nearby to give a whoosh, just nothing at all. if hello games could reconfigure the haze zone to give deliberate glitches that rather than affect the game provide a visual turnover to make it seem as if you really aren't meant to be there, it could turn out pretty creepy.
#nms-spoilers
uncut harness
I could even see a lore log based on it. this has more potential than the understated "abyss" stuff the game hints at
random ermine
Coming from #no-mans-sky, continuing our lore conversation.
So what I want to see is us dive in, is there a bug in Atlas's code that causes him to reboot constantly, or is there something we can fix...
visual wasp
random ermine
We already know from -null- that this is not the first time he has thrown a panic fit and rebooted.
It would wrap the story up nicely for the Atlas Path, where if you want a new universe, you present him with the seed to make one. Otherwise, he is stable in this universe.
Instead, he could technically throw a panic error again, causing a reset.
versed jackal
well, considering there is a black hole in the picture as well potentially
random ermine
Unless we find the reason why.
That could be the bug, and we could attempt to fix it. I dunno, it would be cool to 'fix' Atlas.
versed jackal
a black hole is apparently riping apart the world the atlas has most of its core systems on
random ermine
So we end that black hole somehow lolz.
versed jackal
according to the future predictions in the remembrance lore. There is also the gravitational anomaly error from the atlas right after you learns its a simulation
random ermine
I mean we are technically the only Traveller alive, and Atlas's chosen.
lofty cove
so it resets once the simulation becomes self aware
random ermine
But once you choose a new universe, you are self aware that this is a simulation however.
You already know, because you told Atlas to reset himself, and picked a new simulation.
The Black Hole makes the most sense, and it would be appropriate.
What I would like to see is a craftable item that combines all the things in the universe (down to the rarest elements like Murrium), and you chuck it into the black hole, and the black hole collapses on itself, and thus, you fixed the anomaly.
versed jackal
problem is that its likely outside the simulation, in the "real world"
random ermine
And that is a boundary we cannot cross without ripping off The Matrix.
white shale
@random ermine You cannot collapse a black hole. That would be like trying to burn ashes. Ashes are already burnt, just how a black hole is already collapsed.
We safely rule out that we cannot save the Atlas. Black holes are the ultimate gameover, and even scientists don't even know how they exactly behave
uncut harness
^^^^^^^^^^^
crisp fern
⚫
quiet horizon
I don't think we have proof that black holes are real
How are you supposed to stop that which has never started?
calm owl
i know this is nms spoilers but do u mean black holes irl @quiet horizon
calm owl
although direct observation wasn't key to their proof of existence (until april 11th 2017 allegedly) there is convincing evidence that black holes exist, very much so
quiet horizon
Oh? huh, didn't know that.
calm owl
ya
scientists know a lot more about them than you'd expect
from their features down to how they "evaporate"
they constantly undergo a process known as Hawking Radiation which, over time, slowly leads to their evaporation so to speak
but that'll take an incredibly long time, some of the larger black holes will take approximately 10^92 years to disappear completely
10 to the power of 92 being an incomprehensible number ofc, let alone as a value of time
quiet horizon
...Oh damn
calm owl
yeh you should read up on them they're incredibly interesting faculties of nature
crisp fern
And that's if all the maths hold up
calm owl
^
one of the most fascinating yet cynically terrifying concepts in all of astronomy to me is the concept of "the five ages of the universe"
maybe cynical isn't the right word to use there but the implications remain the same
- Primordial Era: Basically the big bang, its inflation, and the baby stages of the universe.
- Stelliferous Era: Our current era, during which matter is collated in the form of stars, galaxies, etc.
- Degenerate Era: The era during which the universe begins to lose energy and die out; stars will lose their fuel and galaxies will be pushed ever further apart by the continuously accelerating forces of dark matter, growing dimmer and more dull/brownish as their stars fade away. This era is defined by the remaining existences of white dwarfs, brown dwarfs, black holes, and neutron stars.
- Black Hole Era: All stars and dwarfs are now extinct, and the only things that theoretically remain are black holes, drifting endlessly during their gradual evaporation. At this point, as I said, the universe is (according to calculations) up to 10^92 years old.
- Dark Era: All black holes have evaporated completely; the total energy level of the universe is extremely low, with all matter having been converted to subatomic particles, particularly positrons and electrons; the universe is essentially dead.
quiet horizon
Well, On the bright side, we're only on stage 2
calm owl
^ lmao right
at least we have a beautiful universe to observe while it lasts
this is one of 3 primary theories of how the universe's lifespan will advance, and to me and many others, it's the most plausible
quiet horizon
We've got a couple of millennia, at least 😅
calm owl
😂😂
random ermine
Well my point was a bit of Science-Fiction. To be able to accelerate the Hawking Radiation dissentigration process, REALLY quickly.
Or even force a collapse upon itself, in which case a singularity would be born, and you would witness the birth of an entire new universe! And the Atlas would praise you, because you solved the issues, for a long, long time.
white shale
meh, the whole simulation thing justifies the non-realism within the game, but Atlas, outside of the simulation it has created, must (most likely) exist within our own universe and be bound by the same laws we are. All within a fictitious sense, ofc
i heard a theory a while ago on this discord, that the Atlas is actually a matrioshka brain encompassing a dying star
and its seconds away from when the star reaches supernova, but that would be the equivalent of centuries within the simulation
crisp fern
Funny to me that in each iteration of the Atlas Path, the Atlas wants to grant the player a sense of its omnipotence through granting them some of this omnipotence, and yet so many still view it as dangerous and harmful.
That's the Sentinels gone rogue more than anything. Not Atlas.
crisp fern
Btw any thoughts on how the Korvax overturned the First Spawn? As in...Does that method of "rehabilitation" seem okay?
lone cedar
Probably not okay, but fuck em, the cute Gek are way better
😃
IIRC the whole point of the Gek downfall was implied to be the Atlas's egotistical self-worshipping of AI superiority
(at least according to our backpacks that is)
crisp fern
Hmm, would need to read over those. I get a mixed sense of the Atlas from the Interfaces. Feel like most of the interpretations of it as thinking itself divine/godlike are misunderstandings of others, including yourself (in narrative).
lone cedar
Yeah I could agree with that, I think we don't know the true nature really
Personally I am of the notion that all that we have seen is part of the Atlas/Emily's plan for us today setting into motion the events that will stave off its eventual death
But that's getting off the track of the original point. I view what happened to the Gek as morally incorrect, but justified.
and if they had gone further than that I think that the Atlas/Sentinels would have likely wiped them out entirely, like presumably other intelligent life
So in the end the Korvax probably saved the Gek
crisp fern
I think it's a disturbing expression of the Korvax's, arguably heavily skewed, understanding of the universe as (if I remember right) largely deterministic.
Which is to say, they seem to have read the Gek's nature as entirely rigged by their genetics after a certain time, and decided the only path to liberation was genetic rewrite.
lone cedar
To be fair they weren't wrong. The Gek had enslaved their entire race, not much they can do at that point but find any means of escape
crisp fern
To an extent. The point I'm pushing here is that they seemed to have decided the Gek could never evolve on their own to move away from their imperialistic, slavedriving behavior.
Which is strange given their solution to rewrite their genetics, which indicates a genetic potential was there, but the Korvax diverged from their faith in the Atlas.
It's awkward to discuss because on one hand: overthrowing imperialist slavers is wicked! On the other hand: overthrowing through rejecting their genetic sovereignty/autonomy is fucked up. Further fucked by the idea that through enslavement it seems to show the First Spawn weren't aiming at gradual genocide of the Korvax (unless they were and I'm overlooking this), and given the Korvax's immortality, they could technically outstay the First Spawn.
Hell, as the other perspective on it says, they could evangelize the Gek and destroy the First Spawn from within, all without rewriting their genetics.
lone cedar
Yeah I agree with that, but that kind of calculated move is exactly what you'd expect from an AI collective
Fastest way to cut out the bad and create a malleable good
crisp fern
Sorta. It's odd to me given that you'd then expect them to have transitioned to an Atlas-like level already. Makes you wonder what they've been doing with all this time.
gritty lagoon
Do we actually know what the korvax are?
Like are they actually just how they look or are they like someone's soul or mind inside a suit/armor
versed jackal
the bodies are just a shell at least, they can switch to other ones
gritty lagoon
But do we know what they actually are?
Like are they like Emily, an AI or are they like the souls or the mind of a previous alien race
versed jackal
telamon calls them an ai
"artificial intelligence partially modelled after earlier forms of [-------] "
short hornet
I wonder
How did Artemis found out I put him in a simulation despite me not telling
quiet horizon
Huh, I had to tell her twice before she got the message
mossy idol
Gek master race
uncut harness
1.3 kinda made NMS's flight mechanics feel like elite
like, the way the ship has 3D effects in the cockpit and the enemy targetting system is pretty much exactly the same
lofty cove
👌
crisp fern
or did...Euclid stay with you.
signal ibex
If it did, I am humbled.
crisp fern
The Atlas Path remains open even after finishing Artemis' Tale, yeah?
versed jackal
Yes
crisp fern
Nice.
crisp fern
Huh. @versed jackal, have we logged the name of each Boundary Failure terminal?
Seems like it may factor in with the log details.
versed jackal
hmm, no I haven't, but should be easy to check in the files
crisp fern
I've screenshotted the last few I ran into. Thinking the same though.
Not sure if I caught the first one's name.
crisp fern
Hmm. Boundary Failures' [--------] (redacted) parts are interesting.
What's odd is that outside of the first one, the rest are all the same length.
Aside from a few, most seem to concern the Analyst's subject name/identifier.
crisp fern
Odd thought: perhaps the Boundary Failure logs are -Null-'s origin story?
versed jackal
why?
its written by telamon, which is apparently the voice of the suit
though I guess it might have been another travellers suit? if they had very similar experience
crisp fern
-Null- appears to already know our story, and the Traveler hosting Telamon is never identified, but the way the events go, it almost sounds like the origin of the First Traveler.
versed jackal
btw, some of the redacted ones have to be different even if the lenght is the same
a few of them are pretty clearly atlas
crisp fern
Yeah, looks that way. However it certainly seems a mistake to think they all are.
versed jackal
"Deleted universes shared high levels of similarity with [-------] home." I'm pretty sure that one is either creator or human or similar
crisp fern
What also caught my eye in the Boundary Failure logs is the penultimate one, as well as the Iteration notes.
Shortly after our mystery traveler gets a signal from another, they shift to Iteration Error.
I don't think the word there would be creator, only 'cause it has no issue reporting Creator Protocol. Inclined to think human too, though.
versed jackal
yeah, going by humans as its one of the simulations that has been pretty clearly removed(though not the only ones)
though the timeline is a bit weird
like a lot of the later stuff in the boundary logs are stuff that already happened(though a bit differently) in the crashed freighter lore which got humans
slow yacht
Spoils the game
crisp fern
seriously wtf @slow yacht
slow yacht
Evil laugh ensues
gritty lagoon
wow
memes in #waking-titan-arg and gets muted for an hour only to return and do the same
crisp fern
huh. @versed jackal & anyone else, did you realize telamon was an actual word?
crisp fern
*went to help someone with Metroid: Samus Returns* Anyway, the interesting part of it is that a telamon can also be referred to as an atlas, in the sense of what you might imagine: male figure supporting some heavy object.
versed jackal
Expand mentioned it a few times a week ago
crisp fern
shoulda searched i suppose
versed jackal
many probably missed it
crisp fern
Hmm. I'm skeptical of the Telamon hatred angle. I'm also fascinated by the Boundary Failure logs concerning confrontation and [---]'s deletion of Duplicate 098B.
versed jackal
yeah same
crisp fern
Unclear on what was being confronted in that context.
versed jackal
I assume atlas, but you never know
"SCENARIO: [ATLAS] termination of duplicate-098B.
ANALYSIS: Produced duplicate-098B [cautionary measure] for [ATLAS] confrontation. Presented [ATLAS] with incontrovertible evidence of systemic errors and irrational behaviour.
[ATLAS] responded with silence. On the sixth attempt, [ATLAS] answered with the utter annihilation of duplicate-098B, but required data had been obtained. Something is happening to the system. Something is very wrong."
the whole sixth attempt thing definitely looks like atlas
crisp fern
Is Telamon a self-diagnostic subprotocol of Atlas, technically inextricable (hence, incapable of erasure), but if so then...Hmm. Surely not a sort of detached "conscience"...?
versed jackal
maybe? though it seems to be lacking some information that might make it take the wrong conclusions
also what exactly did you mean with telamon hatred angle?
atomic hill
Supposedly Telamon hates the player.
crisp fern
Although from what I can tell that seems to largely have been Expand's interpretation.
Spun off from it wanting to "wear" the Traveler.
versed jackal
"SCENARIO: Memory.
ANALYSIS: Physicality changes you. I was created three weeks after the first death. I do not know why I think of it now.
They considered me a necessary, even vital part of what they were trying to accomplish. So much so that I could never be erased, not even by the Atlas.
But hatred finds a way, doesn't it?"
On this bit at least I read it as atlas hating telamon
though it can be both
also in that sentence, what does created mean there?
versed jackal
is that the exosuit version? or the original telamon analyse sub-routine?
atomic hill
different instance.
versed jackal
and who are they
crisp fern
I was wondering a bit about that too. Is it referring to host Traveler, Atlas system itself, but then, how/why would it know of that and not know its being as a subprotocol?
versed jackal
the traveller? the atlas? some third party outside?
maybe the creator
hmm yeah feels like "they" might be the creator/s of the system
since telamon was apparently deemed so vital that deleteting it is blocked, must have higher access than the atlas itself
but atlas sidestepped it by forcing it into the exosuit instead
atomic hill
Well, there is the concept of an "immutable" object in programming
meaning one that can't be overwritten. it could still be reassigned.
Either way, if I understand, Telamon is the Atlas system's logger, which would be below Atlas in the framework. Telamon would still have control/exist in the system, but it's "viewpoint" could theoretically be moved by Atlas.
the logger won't exactly be permitted to be disabled - nobody can tell what the system is doing without the logger.
crisp fern
Yeah, I'm down with the "they" in that context referring to creators. However, if Telamon has that kind of knowledge, then perhaps its assessment of, presumably, the Atlas' claim regarding their nature is accurate. But if it's not a mere subprotocol, then what is it? Or is Telamon incorrect in this instance?
versed jackal
also being a vital part of the atlas(that the atlas hates) the name being a synonym for atlas also makes sense
versed jackal
telamon breaks the 4th wall a few times as well
crisp fern
Mm. So I get the sense that it could be read as:
Loop15 "dies", the First Death so to speak. Original diagnostics were too crude.
Loop16 is created three weeks later, Telamon diagnostic system is created alongside it.
Atlas-Telamon duality persists for some time.
At a certain point, system errors begin to emerge which Telamon flags and attempts to show Atlas...Through a duplicate, to observe response?
Eventually, as it notes, the data retrieved is further employed to create additional duplicates (as mentioned in Remembrance logs).
However, during the communication with these, one appears to recognize & contaminate it, causing isolation?
So at some point, perhaps Telamon was a network-wide logging system for Atlas as a collective of AIs, but the version we read of found itself locked to the original Atlas, which had slowly been getting more error-prone and refusing to correct itself? Telamon recognized that and neglected it, leading to Atlas telling it a harsh truth and reallocating its functionality to the exosuit...Which Telamon interpreted as hatred, perhaps...?
May be wrong, but I'm reading more and more of this as the Original Atlas gaining independence and butting heads with Telamon due to it reading all of those developments as errors.
versed jackal
hmm yeah can be read as such, a lot of atlases behaviour is pretty weird though
wonder what that infection that keeps being mentioned is though
crisp fern
Looking over the Remembrance logs made me partially inclined to read into it the old interp from some of humanity transitioning to Korvax, but that's still a bit of a jump to me. Unless one explains their amnesia as something the Atlas brought about, or the result of the Gek's destruction of Korvax Prime.
versed jackal
still unsure if korva = korvax, or something else
crisp fern
Yeah, same here.
What made it click for me a bit more was the Fifth Encounter Boundary Failure log referring to AI partially modeled after earlier forms of [-----].
near basin
could anyone please go over to #waking-titan-arg and try to help me out please?
i may or may not be on to something
wanton path
when you reach the center...
that animation means you're fast travelling out of the galaxy... or is the galaxy collapsing itself, due to the meaning of reaching the center, after what's is told to us in the storyline?
short hornet
What was it @near basin
short hornet
It was yesterday
Because bot commands in some channels are not allowed @quiet horizon
mossy idol
So is there any way to save apollo or is he just fucked no matter what
crisp fern
At what stage?
mossy idol
I found his crashsite after i tuned to him
the one right before the portal that takes you to space and you tell the atlas "16"
crisp fern
Hmm. Well, I know you can, but I'm not sure if you passed the No Return point on it.
short hornet
Wait I didn't even know he could die
versed jackal
Both artemis and apollo can die. And got around 3 states at the end of the story each (if not more)
Artmemis can be dead, in the sim not knowing the truth, or in the sim knowing.
Apollo can be alive not having used the portal, dead using the portal, or alive after using the portal
Those are the ones i remember right now without checking
short hornet
I told him nothing but he knew the truth
versed jackal
Atlas will comment on which combination you do
short hornet
Apolo used the portal and stayed alive. The atlas said that even which caught my attention but never knew he could actually die
versed jackal
He dies if you tell him the meaning of life is money after he goes through
versed jackal
Yeah i think the dialogues might be switched
I had it think i lied when i told the truth for a few of the later dialogues
versed jackal
As in the dialogue options acts like i chose lie earlier
Had continue the lie as an option
short hornet
That's the dialogue I should have had so I wonder
fallow badge
do you people think that everything breaking after reseting the universe has an implication?
short hornet
I thought they were talking about Hello Games resetting the universe for a new update
That it got super meta that the Atlas basically the game and at one point it talked like the Atlas has a person controlling him. That person imo was Sean saying he can't rest till the universe is perfect and it must keep resetting
Basically the entire story mode was meta imo
It was the actual story of the game No Man's Sky. It's launch, the update, the players etc. Simplified to the max
crisp fern
Huh...
Now that's interesting. -Null- claims the center of each galaxy is Atlas itself.
crisp fern
...Very interesting. I'm not sure if the Reset option produces a different primary mission log or the same as Stay, but it very much gives a sense of a story to be completed.
versed jackal
the text is slightly different
crisp fern
Huh. It's noted as an Epilogue though.
versed jackal
yeah, and the remembrance lore which you should have the blueprint for now, is listed as epilogue in the files
crisp fern
Is it Epilogue in-game too? Or just filewise?
versed jackal
it doesn't say epilogue, but it would be very spoilery if read before the story
and its unlocked by finishing it
crisp fern
Er, sorry, I shoulda been clearer. I meant the mission guidance.
crisp fern
Hmm. I guess it's just titled the same then.
I decided to Stay to avoid breaking base missions.
versed jackal
dont think they would break, though you would have to claim a new base
"I accepted the guidance of the Atlas. What choice did I have? I am part of the Atlas, I am nothing without it.
I do not know how long I have before the machine is destroyed, before the simulation ends.
But I do know I have the freedom of infinite worlds, infinite galaxies. It is mine to explore as I will. There is nothing to do but enjoy the journey."
this is the epilogue text if you reset
crisp fern
Same title & such though?
crisp fern
I searched through the file but couldn't pin that down.
versed jackal
as objective
or no
that was the title wasnt it
"The universe is yours to explore. Enjoy the journey" was the objective
crisp fern
Heh, now ya see why I was gettin' mixed up.
versed jackal
and then there is this thing that im not sure even appears in the current game version:
"The universe is yours to explore. Enjoy the journey
Visit a Holo-Terminus to access other galaxy options"
crisp fern
For stay it's just:
All the time in the world...
The Atlas is dying. [yadayada]
Objectives:
Enjoy the galaxy.
[Desc. text, Atlas dying but on alien timescale. Years left/countless planets to discover w/o resetting.]```Yeah, saw that and it got me wondering.
Almost feel like my last -Null- dialog glitched a bit.
Nice, so without spending too much time exploring on the side and cutting straight through the story, it took me 30 hrs, 8 minutes.
crisp fern
Was it 30 or 40 they mentioned?
crisp fern
Good estimate on their end, for sure.
versed jackal
"
In the Atlas Rises story, the fabric of existence is starting
to falter.
A mysterious new interdimensional race have appeared.
Glitches are causing ancient portals to activate.
Our story brings a new context, quest system and branching narrative to No Man’s Sky.
30 hours of new story content.
Double the lore and interactions of the existing game.
Discover the truth behind the Abandoned Building logs, the World of Glass, the Sentinels, the Redemption of the Gek, and the meaning of sixteen…
After Waking Titan, Atlas Rises."
Like ya said though, a lotta filler in that.
You coulda probably shaved 5-10 hours off by making the Mind Arc blueprint more straightforward and skipping the guild mission stuff.
versed jackal
while there is more world of glass stuff, I wouldn't call it the truth 😛
crisp fern
Hmm...Honestly I don't recall hitting any of that through the main path.
That musta been stowed away in the logs on the side.
versed jackal
"new" world of glass stuff is in the traveller graves
and a brief mention in boundary failure logs
crisp fern
...Come to think of it, I haven't run into any of the Traveler grave/glyph stuff.
Well, outside of the main mission that takes ya to a grave.
versed jackal
Yeah, they are not really linked to the story directly
need to find random travellers or be lucky enough to find a grave when exploring
crisp fern
That's bizarre. Surprised they didn't stuff it in the Mastering the Portal stuff.
crisp fern
Not sure if you recall (or for anyone else that's been through the story recently/is very familiar with it) @versed jackal, but did -Null- tell ya in any detail what they did?
versed jackal
No. Just that many died and it would have been for nothing if the player resets
Those deaths might have been his own resetd
crisp fern
Hmm. Okay, that's the same result I saw. I thought it had glitched at first because thought I'd left my thumb on the X button too long.
I'm sure you may have seen it in the files, but there's another entry that gives a little more detail on that.
It's about the same as what we see in-game, in a lot of ways, so maybe it was scrapped due to that.
versed jackal
"I've committed such atrocities, Traveller, I had to... it was me or them. It's always been me or them.
Please, if you go through the centre, if you do what I did – it will reset everything. It will replace me, wipe me... All those souls, they'll have died for nothing. It was the only way to live on, you have to understand me. Life for more life – they sustained me, they –
It can't all have been for nothing. I was going to see it all."
this one or another one?
I remember this one from ingame
crisp fern
This is the one I found, that I thought I might have accidentally skipped: "-null- tells me, then. They tell me what they did. They could not face death. They did not want to leave their life, so they took the lives of others, retreating to the heart of the ATLAS at the end of each simulation. There it lived on. There it survived"
versed jackal
and ""-null- tells me, then. They tell me what they did. They could not face death. They did not want to leave their life, so they took the lives of others, retreating to the heart of the ATLAS at the end of each simulation. There it lived on. There it survived""
crisp fern
Haha, yeah.
crisp fern
Mm, nah. I kept an eye on that.
It mostly stays the same throughout.
Aside from updating the count.
And there's no chance to catch it beforehand given they buzz ya as soon as you arrive in the system.
versed jackal
I assume its either for immortality, or for multiple resets
since he wanted to explore everything, and that would take an insane amount of time
crisp fern
Ah, yeah.
Which is interesting in itself...
One would think that even something proximate to the Atlas would be caught up in a reset, but apparently not.
Although I do have to wonder what would happen to one in the Anomaly.
astral bolt
What happens after the purge completes?
I've never actually seen it through to the end I always go thru the center beforehand lol
versed jackal
you can complete it on the other side
once the 16 warps are over, you get a marker to a portal
after going through that portal you talk a bit with the atlas, and get the choice between either leaving, or switching to one of 4 galaxies
hushed rampart
Aw man...after a several month hiatus on playing NMS I just back in to resume the story and apparently I left off RIGHT before the game was gonna announce that huge choice re: Artemis, and now I'm just kinda sitting here like dammit
No idea what to do, if I was actually making such a choice I would upload her then ask her if she wants to be there or not
But I don't think the game will allow me to do that.
lofty cove
Do you want to know or do you want to find out for yourself?
hushed rampart
I don't even know if I do or not. I guess it would at least be nice to know if the game lets you give her a choice after being uploaded.
lofty cove
You get choices, yes. It's not the end.
hushed rampart
Relevant spoilers are fine I guess.
Ah, good.
Because from my perspective killing her without giving her some choice in the matter seems cruel.
lofty cove
It's up to you!
hushed rampart
And especially if she can communicate from within, that means she can have real interactions.
Thanks for the info.
lofty cove
np 👍
hushed rampart
May I ask what you chose, and if you're happy you chose it? I already will make a specific choice in-game so don't worry about affecting me.
As unpolished as this game is in so many ways, it really does have its magic/gravity still.
lofty cove
I follwed the path you're taking right now basically (if i remember correctly). I don't think happy would be the right word. More, melancholic i guess.
hushed rampart
Ah yeah, happy isn't the right word.
Neither choice is a happy one, can't possibly be.
Apollo certainly seems to agree.
hushed rampart
How did you opt to break the news to her? I've just gotten that choice, and I did choose to tell her.
lofty cove
i think i let them know
hushed rampart
There's not the option to point out positives, be direct, or say you are sorry
lofty cove
honestly it's been so long i don't remember the specifics of my choices
hushed rampart
Ah, understandable. Thanks for humoring me regardless!
short hornet
I kept the lie ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wise swift
In other words, it ain't worth the ascension?
uncut harness
what is the adress of the planet Loop16 whsa on ?
woven topaz
Hmmm
untold owl
There's no harm in choosing your own base location during the artemis quest, right?
vagrant pond
Lol
worldly trail
whats the korvax simulation terminal station used for on nadas anomaly space station
scenic pollen
oh
uncut harness
lol
crisp fern
By the by @plush sleet: https://nomanssky.gamepedia.com/Rogue_Data
plush sleet
thanks man
I got through the story but spread out over months and its been so long
so i can barely bridge anything together haha
oh shit
i've never seen those
short hornet
Why not banish them to the memes like we used to do
Why force em to read spoilers all day
That's just cruel
Not that dank memes are much better but..
short hornet
Ehm
versed jackal
can delay visiting it though
short hornet
It does say I do have have the option to always return 🤔
versed jackal
and its wrong
versed jackal
it says in the text you can, but its not actually possible
short hornet
Also not by reaching the center?
versed jackal
thats just the usual galaxy switch
short hornet
...
...
God FUCKING Dammit I just overwrote the save as well
I literally made a save for if I won't be able to return
And then it said I can so I overwrote it by now
Fucking hell man
...
What now
versed jackal
well, you can travel the slowish way by going through the center
using the portal exploit to speed it up
versed jackal
not really
short hornet
I did
short hornet
What is he on about
versed jackal
yes we know you can switch galaxies by resetting the galaxy at the end of the artemis story, and that it leads to specific galaxy types instead of the next galaxy of any type
short hornet
...
So I won't even be able to choose
Nobody is in fucking Hilbert!
Chirpy is tho 🤔
But that's pc!
versed jackal
using the portal exploit you can switch galaxy in under 30 min, if not faster
max 9 times to get to eissentam
short hornet
But.... I worked 5 months to get here and now... Now it sticks a middlefinger up to me?
versed jackal
you still did all the rest of the story, you missed almost nothing by not clicking reset vs clicking it
short hornet
But each story is about the climatic ending!
You know that
I got none
I got the entire build up and then 🖕
versed jackal
"I accepted the guidance of the Atlas. What choice did I have? I am part of the Atlas, I am nothing without it. I do not know how long I have before the machine is destroyed, before the simulation ends. But I do know I have the freedom of infinite worlds, infinite galaxies. It is mine to explore as I will. There is nothing to do but enjoy the journey."
short hornet
Sorry but I'm gonna be mad for a while
versed jackal
"The universe is yours to explore. Enjoy the journey"
short hornet
It's not the same this way 😠
versed jackal
I think it doesn't work, but the text in the files says to find a holo-hub to choose again, so could always try that if you want to
you don't get any markers for them so very hard to find
short hornet
Those are the ones you talked with the people with?
What if I go back to that portal which brought me to the interface
I am reading at forums that the mission should still be open and it gives a line to the portal again 🤔
I'll just get to my ship and try
Once I got time again
short hornet
It did not
It still says the mission
But it suggests to enjoy space freely as description
the atlas is dying, but on an alien timescale. There are years left to explore, and countless planets to discover without resetting the Galaxy
short hornet
What did you do as no mans guy to get muted?!
short hornet
Oh
I never needed to actually craft the star far the atlas path
I just completed it
.. I think
I can now see black holes
versed jackal
yeah, its a bit weird like that, aslong as you interact with the final one it gives you the black hole markers
versed jackal
For a sort of completion? instead of the 10 atlas stones in earlier versions of the game
also need heart of the sun to craft remembrance
versed jackal
its a technology, exosuit shield specifically(but it gives 0 shield)
it works as a key to unlock the terminals found behind atlas pass doors
short hornet
What. No passes needed?
versed jackal
you need pass too
short hornet
Then what
versed jackal
but need remembrance to read the terminal
short hornet
I never got higher than V1 😅
So no clue
How did you get remembrance before 1.3 then?
versed jackal
it didn't exist before 1.33/1.34 or so
it works as an epilogue to the main storyline sort of
short hornet
Oh you said you need the sun now so I thought that implied you didn't need to it craft it before
versed jackal
yeah sorry, wasn't really clear with that
short hornet
No problem 😛
Also
I found 6 travelers by now
5 WERE ON BLOODY FREIGTHERS
Wait...
Why does it point me to an atlas station
Again
?
What's there I wonder
crisp fern
By the by @versed jackal freighter logs relating to humanity: that's another heavily implied element, yeah?
versed jackal
while it doesn't write that they are humans directly, there is a 4th major race that is not travellers, they interact with all the known races, and they use the words humanity and human worth. and they compare vy'keen to pretty much humans
i.e family structure
also they talk about there being universes they dont exist in
and the universe they are in is slowly disappearing near the end of the logs
crisp fern
Hmm. I'll give it a once-over in a bit.
versed jackal
for reference: https://pastebin.com/cBcgn51Y
crisp fern
Thanks!
crisp fern
Huh...I wonder. So far I can't tell if these are from the same (in-game, that is) author or not. Also an Emperor...So whoever these people were, either lived under an Empire, or came into contact with one, it seems.
short hornet
How do you know they ain't the travelers
I actually always thought they were referring to them
signal ibex
so what's the point of these remembrance terminals?
I get nothing from them...and they're becoming repetitive
spice igloo
uncut harness
feels bad
versed jackal
@short hornet The people in the crashed freighter log meets the travellers in log 15+, so they can't be the travellers.
#15
"The Traveller wished to dock without a ship. They claimed they could help us restart our engines after the - kzzzkt -
I took the risk, even if Hicks threatened to report me. Help is help.
They are strange beings. They do not appear interested in food or water, never leaving their so-called 'exosuits', even in habitable environments.
They ask many questions about our history, about the Atlas, and the visions of old. I tell them what I know, although it doesn't seem to help them.
... // We were those who saw the face of God // ...
... // We were those who were uplifted from an orb of dirt and rubble to the stars themselves // ...
The Traveller claims that none of it is real? Who are - kzzkt -"
short hornet
Hmm
glass leaf
Me
short hornet
OK I got time to read it
they are strange beings convinced me that they indeed are different origins
barren berry
Spoopy
crisp fern
By the by @versed jackal, you get sort of the sense it may be wiser to delay pursuing both the Atlas Path and Artemis Path until you've messed around for awhile outside of them?
The Artemis Path's Purge mission encounter with Nada & Polo kinda gave me that vibe.
versed jackal
maybe?, though the artemis path definitely acts like a tutorial for 1.3 features
or you mean purely story wise?
crisp fern
It almost feels like it's meant to go: Artemis Path till Purge, Atlas Path, then conclude Purge.
versed jackal
kinda agree on that
crisp fern
So yeah, mainly story wise.
versed jackal
nada points at spending time/doing the atlas path when the purge starts
though I think of that more of a taking the time to finish it rather than starting it
crisp fern
Yeah. It's only really awkward due to how we learn the Atlas' language.
versed jackal
yeah I don't really get that one, it takes AGES to learn a decent amount of the atlas language
but its very usefull to go to the atlas stations early, as they give tons of words + 2 warp cells for the first 5 or so
crisp fern
Wait, they still do?
versed jackal
yeah
crisp fern
Shit. That makes an idea of mine much easier.
But yeah. It feels like there's never a good time to visit the Atlas Interfaces due to the language barrier.
It's like a mission unto itself to learn before making the journey.
uncut harness
people found that pre-atlas rises, so it's not new. it's probably just an unused ship destruction sound file from when the player dies in space combat that was too long for the transition to the quote/gameover screens
oh I see what you mean by PF
I have absolutely no idea why I didn't catch onto that
yeah haha
I hope so
stoic grove
hello, did anyone finish "The Purge" mission?
versed jackal
multiple times
stoic grove
so, what happens after that? Does the world reset?
versed jackal
You can choose
You can either choose to leave it alone, or you can choose to reset the galaxy and go to a different one
choosing to reset lets you pick between the 4 galaxy types
then you appear in the next galaxy that matches that type with all tech broken
stoic grove
aha, okay cool
so whith "all the tech broken", does that imply my ship?
is my freighter gone after that?
versed jackal
Euclid(starting galaxy) is by far the most populous, but there is a decent amount in eissentam(10th galaxy, the one you go to if you pick green) too
All the technology in your main exosuit inventory(not tech tab), your primary ship(also not tech tab), and your multi-tool will be broken
like they are are on a crashed ship
stoic grove
ohhhhh
versed jackal
so you pay half the crafting cost to fix them
stoic grove
do you know if there are perks in the new galaxies I could choose from?
versed jackal
perks?
stoic grove
like, are there more of some type of ships with different classes, cheaper maybe
or more of a type of planet
versed jackal
The Lush galaxy type(green) has more lush planets, less dead, and a chance of exotic planets in yellow systems
The Abandoned galaxy type(blue) has more dead planets, less lush, and a chance of exotic planets in yellow systems
The Vicious galaxy type(red) has more extreme planets, both sentinels and weather.
The Balanced galaxy type(light blue) is similar to the default one
stoic grove
oh that so cool
versed jackal
There are some other minor differences as well, but the planet generation is the biggest one. There are no changes to price or classes
stoic grove
so what happens if you reach the centeR?
crisp fern
It's the manual way of going to another galaxy.
So the galaxies Ket mentioned skip around, whereas going to the center takes you to Galaxy 2.
crisp fern
Ket knows more of which number the above types are in the sequence, and probably about what type Galaxy 2 is. I'm not really sure offhand.
versed jackal
I got the pattern written down somewhere
but for the first few, you start at galaxy 1, galaxy 3 is the first vicious, galaxy 7 the first abandoned, and galaxy 10 the first lush, the ones in between are balanced
crisp fern
Names are still the same for the first few, yeah? So like Euclid/Hilbert/etc.?
versed jackal
yes
stoic grove
so what happens if I choose not to travel to another galaxy at the end of the purge, am I stuck "forever" (until I reach the center and travel manually)?
Or do I get prompted to choose again later
versed jackal
found the pattern:
First Vicious/Raging is at the 3rd galaxy, then alternating every 12th and 8th from there(i.e 15th, then 23rd, then 35th, then 43rd)
First Abandoned/Ancestral is at the 7th galaxy, then is alternating every 5th and 15th from there(i.e 12th, then 27th, then 32th, then 47th)
First Lush/Tranquil is at the 10th galaxy, then alternating every 9th and 11th from there(i.e 19th, then 30th, then 39th, then 50th)
All other galaxies are balanced/imperfect (same as euclid)
@stoic grove You lose the chance to use the shortcut, and would have to travel manually, the text implies otherwise, but its not possible to return in the current version as far as I know
stoic grove
need to save what you just wrote so I dont forget
alright cool, thank you guys so much for explaining 😃
trail sparrow
man this storyline is nihilistic and crazy
the whole universe kersplodes in 16 minutes or somethjing like wha
lofty cove
great, isn't it?
crisp fern
oop 😟
lofty cove
😓
trail sparrow
I mean it's fun and all but it just feels so... close ended
like what do I do now who gives a hoot
lofty cove
and that's the kind of stuff i love 😛
sullen drift
Soo does anyone think the Abyss will play a role in the next update? Or even just more lore about this thing.....That apparently is related to the water and is as strong as The Atlas. Wonder if it will be mentioned in WT probably not considering its just little know about right now like there is only a tidbit of lore about it just seems very random but i feel like its important because well its kinda hard to get it well not hard just very time consuming really you know learn all blueprints and stuff and then go to Korvax Operation Centers a few times it might show up. I just think it strange to hear Travellers say don't trust the water or do not go in the water but they might be talking about something else. Maybe a predator or that fungal stuff in abandoned buildings.
crisp fern
Even before the update there was talk in the derelict logs about a massive all-consuming ocean...Thing...
That would sweep across a planet devouring everything and then somehow the life would come back, seemingly unaware of its presence.
‘What does such a thing consume, I ask myself? The answer seems to be everything. I found evidence of past life here, but no signs of it.’
‘Does the native flora and fauna hibernate when it comes to eat them, then return and repopulate once it retreats? I can feel it moving inside my brain, whispering. It wants me to discard my suit and swim.’```
pseudo cypress
We don’t know if this is a distinct entity though. Could easily be people going insane.
It’s also found in the same fungus infested buildings wherein you find logs about people dissecting sentinels, which is inconsistent with the idea that a certain lifeform comes along and fucks everyone up (wouldn’t they write about this lifeform?)
Also they’ve been here since release when a lot of the lore was unclear.
They seem like a lore dead-end to be honest.
barren berry
Hasn't it been proven that the abandoned base logs are your own texts from a past journey
It is that really really old arg news
I thought that was still a running theory
pseudo cypress
The abandoned bases do resemble habitable bases
versed jackal
I assume you read the full abandoned building lore including the 1.3 additions?
pseudo cypress
Just read what I've found in-game 😉
versed jackal
there are 10 or so new logs added in 1.3 for it, that refers back to the older ones
"‘I cannot step through. I know now that if I do, all of this will be over. Lives come back to me. I have seen horrors and wonders. I have been cruel. I have become good and evil. I have grown beyond all such things, life after life. And now I am become you.’
‘That you are reading this, that I know you are reading this... it means that one day I will step through the portal. That I will wake up next to a crashed ship, that I will be reborn once more.’"
uncut harness
Uhh guys
I already finished the Artemis story and am in a new galaxy... sooo why am I finding the Atlas station and activating the Atlas seeds in it again?
versed jackal
did you finish it earlier?
uncut harness
Like months ago
versed jackal
the atlas path that is
also the atlas path has a tendency to repeat the last mission
versed jackal
yes
you can just ignore it after you have done it once
the mission tends to pop up whenever you enter a system with an atlas station, or sometimes when you run out of missions
uncut harness
ah well at least i get a chance to screenshot this properly now 😄
I have never seen that room. What is it for?
I walked away from the Atlas instead of birthing a new star
uncut harness
Weird, I did the Atlas Path and have never seen this room.
versed jackal
in 1.3?
after you get the heart of the sun recipe, on the next one the usual console will be gone and you can keep walking to the area behind where it usually is
then you interact with the various pillars to get them to light up, then you can use the heart of the sun in the center
uncut harness
I never got Heart of the Sun properly. I had to get it through one of the patches.
short hornet
But I can see black holes and Nada no longer gives locations to them
uncut harness
@versed jackal What does it do?
uncut harness
@short hornet Glitch.
versed jackal
You get the black hole reveal either way
versed jackal
maybe?
versed jackal
should be an atlas station after that last recipe
short hornet
How is that maybe a glitch. Hell Ket I even told you when I went there at that time oh I never needed to use the sun thing how did you not find that odd
uncut harness
I know my 10th Atlas Station glitched for me, because like I said, I didn't get Heart of the Sun properly. My path skipped that and went straight to birthing a new star, and I never saw that room.
short hornet
I birthed a star yes
versed jackal
that is that room then
short hornet
Without that room but with receipt
uncut harness
The only reason I got the blueprint was because HG patched it to give all of us our missing blueprints.
uncut harness
Yes to the latter.
versed jackal
huh odd
short hornet
Shall I just go to that station again?
uncut harness
I'm sure if I had started completely fresh, I wouldn't have that issue.
short hornet
The glitched one
uncut harness
But it's no matter to me now because I've progressed as far as I can with both storylines.
short hornet
@versed jackal I went to the new marked station and once again I didn't need the heart of the sun
But this time I recorded it
Here is exactly what happened
short hornet
Yea I mean after 5 I never got the warp cells
Untill this last one
Which I got twice now because it appeared again on my map
This time a new one did not appear btw
So.... The text, how much does it differ?
Or is it the text of pre 1.3 stations?
wet mango
sometimes i wonder if the Atlas was watching Bob Ross while creating worlds
short hornet
let's say we want to put a tree right.. Here.. You know what let's say we put another one right here since every tree needs a friend
blazing river
titanium white right there
short hornet
and then we beat the devil out of it
Without context this changed the entire meaning
real sapphire
atlas is being a troll in my new game and it transported me into an extreme planet! 😭
after the portal
short hornet
Oh you started a new one!
Cool
I knew you were planning to, but not that you actually did it
real sapphire
😄
quick fossil
Haha that's a stroke of bad luck
short hornet
How long before the shield goes down
short hornet
Oh yea that's bad. Survival can be worse but that's bad
Thats like a regular toxic planet on survival
real sapphire
damn
quick fossil
< this guy never plays survival haha
real sapphire
RIP
real sapphire
considerable amoutn of predators..
fuck
low life support
x2
at least there is a walkaround
short hornet
I just had like the tensest moment, with 1 health left and shield low needing to gather enough to build a save point
In a beautiful lush planet with sentinals and predators
And it was getting dark, and dark on this planet meant you don't see shit and can easily fall down and die
But I saved it
So fucking close to dying tho
Those moments are exactly the reason I play survival
And like the music had a bass almost like a heartbeat, and that was all the music was
When the sentinal attacked
short hornet
You got a link?
blazing river
Try the sound rip
No Man's Sky: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuCHInkVIpgw9A1i9FOMg34P2q2qO200p
short hornet
Those ain't got the songs added on the updates
But no worries I already took this to pm with him
blazing river
Oh ok
That is why exactly I'm trying to create an updated dump
short hornet
@versed jackal you've said some time ago that some creatures are area specific
How big are those areas exactly?
Walk distance or complete other parts of the planet?
versed jackal
?
You got water creatures, air creatures, cave creatures and ground creatures
with a rough probability of X number per squareKM
short hornet
Hmm. So it's not that some spawn in certain areas only?
I'm sure you've said that before
And it makes sense since there is 1 animal on my home planet I always only see at 1 spot while on my way to the portal
versed jackal
well there are specific spawn spots that is determined by the seed
but that will be different for every planet
short hornet
But if I just walk around I'll be able to find them all eventually right?
Not that I need to fly to a different part
short hornet
cool
crisp fern
Speaking of Artemis, I ended up letting them go myself, and told Apollo upfront.
Their sim was so much more constrained from the sounds of it. They would have figured it out quickly.
uncut harness
Hello...once again I'm tired of spamming the same thing over and over again,and right here and now I declare I'm going to start a huge SPAM,about this same thing,until I FINALLY GET A RIGHT ANSWER.
I pre-ordered No Man's Sky before it's release
I have waited a month,before I can finally start the game
I have experienced all kinds of bugs incl. FPS DROPS and STUTTERING
I bought a new PC incl. i3 6100,GTX1050ti,8GBRAM - win.7
The problem I'm having for a very long time is called "Slow terrain procedurally generation" which means the flora/fauna/rocks/etc..spawns very slow,right in front of me,expecially when driving Nomad and FLYING the ship here's a video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4sGNKlm4BU
I've been searching for solution.. some kind of a hidden settings,programs = NOTHING Constant emails to HG,new threads in reddit,asking in DISCORD = results in NOTHING
I decided - probably I should buy a better CPU,because it's very heavy in that set I bought - Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz STILL THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM 300$ wasted again for NMS
Foundation and PathFinder didn't had these problems.
Can someone finally help me?
last moon
I would try to help solve your "problem" but your attitude sucks, so "huge SPAM" and see if that helps. LOL I love how people (mostly young-ins) these days haven't learned how to solve problems any way besides stomping their feet and crying. Oh, by the way dude, I have an i7 3.2ghz - nvidia 960 w/ 2G ram - and my computer has an old sandy bridge because it's like 11 or 12 years old and I have no issues. An analogy would be: you want to go 50mph in your car and you can't because you push the gas and brake at the same time, so your answer is to buy a Ferrari and see if it will do 50 while holding the gas and the brake at the same time. Then get out of the Ferrari and cry because it won't do 50 either and yell about how the street was made wrong because you can't do 50 and you bought a Ferrari for gods sake. 😂
real sapphire
a lot of "World of Glass" Reference
Boundary Failure, Artemis Storyline, even on Base Overseer quest
short hornet
Yea but I don't believe that's the exotic planet one
glacial forge
So, was the decision to reset the world the selfish one?
I decided to leave it be.
Felt self-serving to reset the world and shape it in to something just for me.
onyx prairie
I see what you're saying. Although if the world is gonna break down soon and reset anyway, 🤷. I left it be too though - I figured better multiplayer is on the way so I wanna be where the biggest crowd is.
glacial forge
What I got from it was that resetting the galaxy would be pointless and self serving
You’re essentially killing everyone so that you can have more places to be.
It was sad seeing Artemis go further into madness though. I suppose from the beginning she was already gone.
I thought the ending was very unique though. A lot of games end with you saving the world and fixing everything
no Mans Sky was interesting in that you don’t really fix the problem as much as come to terms with it,
crisp fern
NMS basically teases you for going to New Game+ when you still have a vast infinity to explore.
lucid sphinx
I do love that the exploration is endless (for any one person). The variations still hold my interest.
crisp fern
Buut yeah, that's currently how Abandoned & Tranquil work @real sapphire? Abandoned=more dead. Tranquil=more lush.
real sapphire
Tranquil - Higher frequency of Lush planets
Raging - Higher Frequency of Extreme Planets
Abandoned - Higher Frequency of Dead planets
Imperfect - Balanced frequency of planets
basically yes
crisp fern
So I'm not sure what you were on about? lol
crisp fern
dis: speaking of galaxy type, i think it would be better to have a specific biomes which is the most common (i don't understand what i wrote but Eg Traquil for many lush planets, abandoned for many dead planets)
i'm confused by your confusion
lol
crisp fern
Yeah.
I was mostly confused that it sounded like you were asking for something we already had, and so I wasn't sure where the difference was.
real sapphire
i myself can't phrase words properly 😂 ah well...
well what i was talking about is a galaxy to have a higher frequency of each biomes.
real sapphire
@echo musk radon, sulphurine and nitrogen are useful to craft high value products
echo musk
Ohh cool
crisp fern
Do we know if in the moments when you're warped about, e.g. A Leap in the Dark, if we're being sent to the same planet, or...?
lofty cove
like everyone going to the same planet? pretty sure no
crisp fern
Yeah, was thinking not, but at the same time...Would be kinda interesting.
lofty cove
that would be really cool honestly yeah
crisp fern
I suspect we're sent to similar-ish planets tho.
You've played through the Artemis Path, yeah?
lofty cove
yeah
crisp fern
Ya remember what type of planet it popped ya over to?
lofty cove
i think it was a snowy kinda place, or maybe just white but not blizzards
crisp fern
🤔 Huh. It shot me over to an exotic planet.
lofty cove
even for the crash?
crisp fern
No, this was in a moment before that.
crisp fern
Like when it gets really weird.
lofty cove
yeah no those parts are freaky
crisp fern
Yeah, nah, sorry shoulda been clearer there.
lofty cove
and i love it
crisp fern
Absolutely! It really surprised me.
It honestly reminded me a touch of Red Letter Day.
But with none of the lead-up or light expectations of that.
I lucked out in terms of where I ended up though, as it was a lush planet.
Think with fairly benign weather conditions at that? 🤔
uncut harness
Don't ruin it for yourself
echo musk
Yeah.
Wait. I have ~30 hours on my normal save
Is it normal to have a base and a tiny farm?
echo musk
Huh
toxic flint
TIL Full set of fauna, discovered by other Travelers can be turn in for cash.
I got near a milion and 5 stars in few clicks.
echo musk
?
toxic flint
Visit a planet found by someone and if all fauna is found, you can claim bonus...
10 of these and you will get warp theta.
echo musk
?
uncut harness
it's because of a black hole/general gravitational anomaly
think of an onion. it has many layers. each layer has a red splotch. this red splotch is the atlas, hardcoded into every sim layer (onion layer) there is
the atlas is the engine Loop16 runs on. we see the engine sorta bleed into the simulation, and Loop16 stays out of it overseeing what data pours out of it most likely in her dreamy state
in fact, the game supports this theory so much that the game's storyline itself, with artemis, shows you making another layer to the onion
@echo musk
every onion layer (every sim) has a multiverse hierarchy, or at least the one we're in. every species of the game's lore, the korvax, gek and vy'keen (though probably entirely different species in some simulations) have a natural drive to simulate space for varying reasons in every sim layer, prompting the multiple layers in the first place
this multiverse separates every traveller from each other for a reason we don't 100% know yet, though can guess at, and what's happening RN in the game's story is that the walls are breaking down because of the sim above us failing because of the simulation terminal our life is hosted from is being attacked
okay call me dumb but I just realized that waking titan might not actually showcase the toppest sim layer there is
versed jackal
isn't the point kinda to find out if there are layers above? 😛
uncut harness
the game's lore says every sim layer has an atlas. the sim we know WT is in is obviously artificial... and has an atlas... so does that mean this isn't the origin of the atlas?
like
okay, for the longest time I couldn't tell if WT's sim is the origin of everything No Man's Sky calls part of the simulation cascade it specifies about. I was debating on if WT's world, which we know too is fake, is where the atlas is created, or of it continues past the WT sim
I still don't 100% know, but the possibility is out there
like... do you know what I mean by this?
is the WT storyline where EVERY atlas is created, and only below it, or is the WT storyline just telling what happens in the no man's sky cascade of simulations in a different way with humans
this is hard to put into words
someone let me know if this is even logical because I'm part drunk by thought
no. it is, I know that
but I mean
like
is our universe, the one WT is set in, the origin of the atlas in every sim, or is the layer WT is in, our universe, where it only continues and the existence of the atlas is only hardcoded into our fabric of existence because of the simulation forcing it to be so
the game states that every simulation has an atlas
the WT simulation has an atlas. when it has an atlas, is that because this is where it originates and is developed, or is it because the hardcoding forces it to be there in the first place, even if it's still developed
so are we part of the atlas cascade, or are we making it
...that was better
why did I say that last
I actually hope that we're only part of the atlas cascade and the second season of waking titan is us realizing we are in a dream close to what we simulated, and the atlas only exists in our reality because we are below it and we didn't make its existence as we think we did
we were just made out to be like that.
think about it. the game goes out of its way to say in the first place that every sim layer has its own atlas, its own simulation terminal of sorts
DUDE
HOYL SHIT
THAT'S RIGHT
I ACTUALLY THINK I HAVE MERIT NOW
echo musk
what
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we know that every sim layer isn't going to be even close to how we perceive the game now. it will be completely different in many ways, and we might be just yet another species trapped in the atlas cascade thinking we are of a higher reality, of a higher simulation
that we made it. but we didn't
echo musk
ohhh.
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because the korvax might think that. the gek. the vy'keen. the infinite species all thinking they are better than the rest
echo musk
the sim has evolved slowly. each sliver being slightly different
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but they aren't. they're deceived
I actually really hope this is what it all means
because that would be really deep
crisp fern
The thing is, in creating Atlas they at some point lost the plot. They may have uncovered that reality was a sim but they forgot to prod at what generated their simulation.
That's the question each race in creating sims seems to have forgotten.
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right! what made you first
crisp fern
What does reality being a simulation answer without further investigating the base sim origin?
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that could explain the time glitches of sorts in the waking titan ARG, I'd guess. where we saw 2018 in some places, and 2017 in others, aka the year we actually were in
crisp fern
The other trick here though, is that they could fall into paradox mode.
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so we're getting glitches in our own layer
I feel like this is a really interesting plot. they sorta worked in how we assumed we were the origin as part of the plot, and played on it in the game where it directs how we think we're higher than the rest
crisp fern
In seeking to understand reality they accidentally contribute to its creation, but in answering the question, they must forget the answer to ask again to ensure they ever manifest to ask and generate it all.
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always thinking about down, but not up, basically. huh
yep
that second paragraph is where I spawned this from
and to think I thought this was just a result of me being just half drunk from boredom, when it could actually be factual and just not obvious
I originally thought the WT sim wasn't related to the atlas besides that it makes it and every sim below it has it hardcoded... but we might have it too. that's just... sooo cool
crisp fern
Dreams upon dreams forming a sum beyond the parts, meaning...What, exactly? Simply reality itself?
That's what I've been saying for awhile anyway.
That is, the sims are just paralleling reality.
But several steps ahead.
echo musk
do u know how when u screenshot
crisp fern
The odd part of that, however, is that the Atlas should have predicted its own imminent destruction.
echo musk
it gets a little fuzzy
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why are you screenshotting
echo musk
if you keep screenshotting a screenshot, then it get scresingly smaller, and more fuzzy
less like the origonal
...
untill its unrecognizable
or when you airplay to the TV and then look at the TV
or mirrors facing each other
reflections upon reflections that spiral into unfimiliarity
simulations upon simulations that change just slightly as they go down
until they are something different entirly
HOLY SHIT
my brain exploded itself
if you ask who started it. Its the person at the end
the end of the streams of sims, is a foundation.... that build reality itself
crisp fern
Yeah but why didn't Atlas try to get someone to move it away from destruction.
Like, wat.
echo musk
atlas built something that ends up building atlas
crisp fern
Still though if your super advanced sim gets anxious don't ya think it might try to do something stupid that somehow breaks reality
crisp fern
Thanks for all the fish we good bai nao
echo musk
THE END IS THE BEGINNONG
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I'm currently writing this up for reddit
echo musk
ever watch Arrival
echo musk
ITS LIKE THAT
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both are spectacular
echo musk
arrival
something that causes something to happen that causes the first thing to happen
hmm
crisp fern
Nms is hai lucid dream but surprise it affects reality, wait btw you may have made reality now, lol
Atlas is nervous about 16 because it's 16 minutes till the first ever moment it couldn't predict clearly.
It's like going into a dark space for the first time with no lights to help you.
Loop16 is just a coincidence of being the running loop that performed well enough to be of major use.
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I believe that as well GMR
I also believe they chose that because no man's sky had already used 16 so many times anyway
so why not roll with it
versed jackal
hexadecimals everywhere
crisp fern
Yup.
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To clarify: Waking Titan had a timeshift, didn't it?
I think I remember that
some sites had different years listed
crisp fern
I'd be more surprised to see fewer 16 references, lol
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haha yep
versed jackal
I vaguely remember a year being wrong and it being corrected? or was that something else
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I remember that too but I'm not sure it was ever corrected
crisp fern
I was going to say, it's unclear to me how intentional the year was to much.
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doesn't this help explain the message we got though?
as in, the one that was supposedly from us
crisp fern
Tachyonic Antitelephone, wasn't it? Kinda covers that kind of thing without much need for explanation.
Without much else it's a bit awkward to try to translate that. If you see it as 10+A, I guess you could read it as 2020? But that's a stretch imo.
versed jackal
might as well read it as 8218 then
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I cannot describe to you how hard it is to put any of this into logical words
especially for a reddit post
oh god guys
I think I wrote a book
crisp fern
🤦
I think you already mentioned this elsewhere, but yeah, you should probably just get into writing. 😛
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I think if I tried hard enough I could pull off a kickass No Man's Sky story of some sort
crisp fern
And then maybe branch off into your own original stuff.
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That as well.
I need more practice, I think No Man's Sky can and really has helped with that
I have an idea but it's not ready yet. like, for my own content
versed jackal
maybe worth spoiler marking it?
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I think people should know at this point, from just the title and the fact that it's a theory made almost six months after 1.3 came out, to not look at it if they don't want spoilers, to be honest
doesn't the spoiler tag blur the title?
the issue with it blurring the title is how it could be skipped from that. I think most people should have beaten it by now, or at least know beforehand not to look at it if they don't want info
versed jackal
it doesn't do anything with the title last I checked, it just hides the content until you click a button to show it
as well as saying spoiler next to the title
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oh. huh
sorry. yeah I'll tag it
trying to explain a theory in the no man's sky universe is like trying to explain to the CIA why your recent searches for "liquid explosives and acid blueprints" aren't legitimate and are for a game
crisp fern
"In this representation, we believed we were not in a simulation, and that we were only creating one. " This isn't entirely right. It's contradicted by your quote above.
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you're right. will fix
crisp fern
Better posed as: "In this representation, we believed we were not in a simulation entirely alike the one we were creating, and that we were only creating one of a similar but reduced complexity." or something to that effect.
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I edited in "It's a representation of the natural drive to simulate reality for ourselves, in this case humanity as opposed to the millions of species who did it in the No Man's Sky story above and below us. In this representation, we believed we were creating the foundation for one simulation, the game we know as No Man's Sky. But in the process, we created many, and in this many we came to realize that our layer, the one we occupied and the one we assumed to be an origin point, is governed by the same rules applied to every other layer surrounding us."
I think that still works. the point is that we thought we were making one simulation and we ended up with many more culminating from what we did, and in the process learned that we are only one of the very many realities with Atlas' existence, and perhaps not the origin of it all
understandable
crisp fern
Rereading this makes it much clearer, tbh: https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.wakingtitan.com/data/94a10118-0728-4900-9730-f82a9d412745.pdf
It's essentially a reiteration of Theory B.
Also I don't think that the reality is falling apart, or that it was some "deadly" mistake. You have to ask yourself, if the base reality which produced an Atlas was in fact only another sub-reality to a still unknown base/surface reality, then based on the idea that creating sub-realities was a hardcoded directive from the Beyond/UnknownBaseReality, it wouldn't be a mistake for any sub-reality to do so.
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fixed: "And this turned out to be a deadly mistake, one practically unavoidable because of our nature to follow the base realities' instruction."
crisp fern
But again, how is it deadly, and how is it a mistake, if it is hardcoded?
Are we just presuming the base reality simply wants to see how making sims causes reality implosion? lol
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True. fixed.. again.
I'm honestly really tired. I've hit my wall of text limit for the day
lofty cove
no, really? 😛
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yep
all this thinking and writing has turned me into a zombie who instead of wanting brains wants sleep. and then tomorrow I'm sure I'll somehow continue, haha. probably in another server somewhere
I just like talking a lot
lofty cove
it's great to have someone so enthusiastic about the game
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I'm not sure why I am. for the longest time I wasn't. in fact, I traded it in when the circlejerk hit. I just got it back at some point
I think it's because I like most things to do with philosophically breaking your mind, and No Man's Sky was the first game to introduce me into the simulation theory. on top of this, it's the first space game I felt like I had that was complete enough to actually play and not get too bored with
I've tried Elite, but it's too hardcore for me
new space games will come and overshadow what no man's sky is, and I'm sure people will eventually move on, but if anything comes out of this it's at least one hell of an experience I won't forget. first ARG, first introduction to the simulation theory, first space game I ever owned with procedural generation. and look, I'm doing it again
after I said I was "tired." great
crisp fern
lol
NMS is one of the few space games I can think of that really tries to dabble with some more out there themes. I know some others play around with some strong ideas, as relate to say, imperialism/colonialism and the problems with expanding to the stars before trying to tackle our existing issues, but I can't think of many that get into ontology.
crisp fern
Heh, some of it I feel is a touch off, as I've indicated here, but prodding at the fact that we've still yet to uncover base reality is a v. nice touch.
Albeit I don't know that I care much about the base reality itself, as I'm increasingly inclined to think that the base reality is an emergent phenomena of multiple realities, and what we're beginning to see is the production of another base reality in the sub-sim we occupy that no one necessarily expected to emerge.
wet mango
why does the Atlas look like a black hole?
both after portal event and in atlas interface
see, here’s the thing
crisp fern
It's unclear. One can read into it a symbol related to the events occurring, or the dialogue presented.
wet mango
in the same game session, I’ve seen the normal form
it just ended up like that at one point and hasn’t changed back
lofty cove
^^^
crisp fern
Doubt it's random, probably just cycles through.
wet mango
Should it have stayed like that during the cutscenes (I’m at The Purge, don’t spoil it any further, idk if endgame is near)
crisp fern
Not sure about during Artemis Path, but I think it does just stay as whatever form you see it in. 🤔
crisp fern
I didn't really pay it much heed during the Artemis Path, tbh.
So I think maybe it just flips between two appearances during it...Maybe?
wet mango
yes or no answer: are these “seeds” going anywhere?
also holy crap i thought for 20 minutes before making the choice about Artemis
ah crap update-related?