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tranquil spoke
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it's possible it could corrupt your save

vale quest
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D:

tranquil spoke
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but kind of ridiculous if it does

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i can't use the "reload last save" feature anymore

pallid vine
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wait what? stacks cause crashes?

tranquil spoke
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my game stop saving

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if i do

vale quest
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I guess I should sell them but in this system they worth like 3mil

tranquil spoke
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i don't even see any point in having a lot of units

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except for buying atlas stones

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but those are pretty useless too

vale quest
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I might see an expensive ship I like

tranquil spoke
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eh

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just go to planet and find a crashed one

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for free

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;D

merry moon
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planets are big

tranquil spoke
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just free fly

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across the service

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you'll find a transmission tower pretty fast

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moons are even better

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looks like a parasite took over the things body

merry moon
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ew

tranquil spoke
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how many of you have found your v2 and v3 passses?

thorny fossil
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i havent even found a x1 pass yet

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

tranquil spoke
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the v1 is from the first space anomoly

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you find

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polo gives you it

obsidian jacinth
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ive done so many god damn colonial outposts and still not found a v2/3

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I want

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Sean plox

fluid igloo
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Am I the only one that discovered how to juke the Sentinel's fire within like 30 seconds of combat?

thorny fossil
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anewbie thanks, at the moment the atlas path just wants me to scan all the creatures on one planety

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i assume its not too long after that

tardy frigate
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i just avoid sentinels entirely

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even when i get a grav ball or something

obsidian jacinth
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So the 1070's and 1080's are so much cheaper on Newegg even in AUD

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like 200-400$ cheaper

tardy frigate
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i just use the melee-jetpack trick

tranquil spoke
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@obsidian jacinth im farming them on this tiny moon and have gone to about 100 outposts so far

tardy frigate
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easy as hell to get away

tranquil spoke
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and no v2 or v3

obsidian jacinth
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@tranquil spoke must be insanely rare

tranquil spoke
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i heard somewhere the v2 and v3 doors don't even unlock anything good

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but i want to see myself

vale quest
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@thorny fossil That's just a general tip. All planets have that

obsidian jacinth
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I want to buy a 1070 but I could wait another week or two for a 1080

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but I have never brought from Newegg

tranquil spoke
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microcenter seems cheaper than newegg/amazon now

thorny fossil
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@vale quest fair enough. How do i check where im upto on the atlas quest then. I've gone to space and scanned. no anomoly yet. I'm in my 3rd system.

tranquil spoke
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@thorny fossil it should show up in your 2nd system

obsidian jacinth
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Yeah but I am Australian. Buying a 1070/1080 from our micro center/bestbuy/amazon equivilants are like 1000+

tranquil spoke
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after you find the blueprints for antimatter

fluid igloo
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TBH I've owned my PC for a year, still haven't cleaned it yet ๐Ÿ˜›

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Don't even know what PSU it has ๐Ÿ˜„

obsidian jacinth
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is it a prebuild?

tranquil spoke
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the difference between a 980 and 1080 is so small

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you wont notice

obsidian jacinth
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between a 980 and 1080 is quite the difference actually its. The difference between the 1070 and 1080 that concern me

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its like only 30% and nearly double the price

fluid igloo
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Yeah, prebuilt

obsidian jacinth
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which isnt worth it in my book

fluid igloo
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inb4 prebuilt vs handbuilt debate

tranquil spoke
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you literally wont notice any difference

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when gaming

obsidian jacinth
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@fluid igloo Dear god

tranquil spoke
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unless the game you're playing is developed poorly

fluid igloo
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I've had enough of that argument tbh

obsidian jacinth
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its not a debate @fluid igloo. Prebuilds are just overpriced its simple.

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they're still fine

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just not getting what you desrve on the cash you throw at them

fluid igloo
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Honestly, I'd rather overpay and have it prebuilt then wreck my CPU or GPU

tranquil spoke
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how would you wreck it

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it's so easy to install

fluid igloo
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Very easily tbh

obsidian jacinth
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honestly its really not that hard to put one together

fluid igloo
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I mess up Legos

tranquil spoke
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legos are harder to play with

obsidian jacinth
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cpus and gpus dont break unless you try to break them

tranquil spoke
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than a computer

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the only way you'd mess up a computer

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is if you tried bending shit

obsidian jacinth
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bending the motherboard #cringe

tranquil spoke
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oh god

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why

obsidian jacinth
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like they flex but bending it really far

tranquil spoke
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one of my friends tried putting a new full sized mobo

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in his case

fluid igloo
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Plus I don't know how to solder so there's that...and the doggo fur

tranquil spoke
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you don't solder anything

obsidian jacinth
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you dont need to solder wtf

tranquil spoke
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wtf

obsidian jacinth
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there is not soldering required

tranquil spoke
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same thought

fluid igloo
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You don't?

tranquil spoke
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no

fluid igloo
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Oh

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lol

tranquil spoke
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the hardest thing you have to do

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is apply thermal paste

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to the cpu

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and you don't even have to do that

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if you use the stock cooler

obsidian jacinth
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its plugging things to gether

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together*

fluid igloo
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I might buy a bunch of cheapo parts to put together for the first time

obsidian jacinth
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litterally

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thats it

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what some youtube vidoes man

tranquil spoke
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thermal paste is literally the hardest part

obsidian jacinth
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they will show you actually how simple it is

fluid igloo
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That way, if I do break a part it won't break the bank

tranquil spoke
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of putting together a computer

fluid igloo
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Not atm, I have no money for PC building/upgrading atm

obsidian jacinth
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Thermal paste doesn't usually hurt unless you put too little on

tranquil spoke
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supposed to use the + method

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for applying paste

obsidian jacinth
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Dot method

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yeah

tranquil spoke
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dot method is inferior

obsidian jacinth
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nah m8

tranquil spoke
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it's not an even spread

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you can literally take a piece of glass

obsidian jacinth
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I actually got bored once and did a dick out of thermal paste

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works fine

tranquil spoke
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and test it yourself

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a dot is inferior

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to the +

frosty rampart
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wtf yall talking bout

obsidian jacinth
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there is litterally no difference man

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linus did a vid on it

tranquil spoke
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linus is a crazy person

obsidian jacinth
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heaps of people have done vids on it

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indeed

tranquil spoke
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the + method removes air

fluid igloo
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I'd do the + method tbh

frosty rampart
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HEaps of people had done vids on it, all of them with different results.

fluid igloo
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  • Is just more constructionally sound...
tranquil spoke
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theres even videos on youtube

fluid igloo
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But so does the dot though

obsidian jacinth
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@mint spear maybe only urs left airpockets

tranquil spoke
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showing why the + is superior

obsidian jacinth
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TOP GEK

tranquil spoke
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with a glass panel

stoic gazelle
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i lather it on an inch deep

frosty rampart
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It all depends on the heat sink+processor.

stoic gazelle
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and watch it spew over the sides like a smore

tranquil spoke
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the dot works

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but it's inferior

obsidian jacinth
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on gpu's it doesn't actually matter at all FUN FACT

tranquil spoke
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you are welcome to your opinion

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4 cpu's

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wow

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you must be a guru

frosty rampart
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A glass panel? seriously? that's a horrible method. For one, it's glass, not metal, and two, the viscosity changes as it heats up.

fluid igloo
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Oh great

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Sorry for starting this disagreement

obsidian jacinth
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jesus this is a shit storm

pallid vine
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oh awesome, my game just stopped saving

obsidian jacinth
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STOP

fluid igloo
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I just know that when I build stuff with wood, X usually serves better than a single dot of glue

stoic gazelle
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MaxframeRate can only go to 160 right?

pliant fjordBOT
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โ€‹โฌ† ๐ŸŽž [Audox] Dont Stop Party (Party Hard Soundtrack) [1:43] - 50 weeks ago

tranquil spoke
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@stoic gazelle why would you go over 120?

stoic gazelle
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i dont need to

obsidian jacinth
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because 144hz master race

stoic gazelle
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its just whats in my config

fluid igloo
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TBH even 60 is a bit much for me

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I like around 45 to 60

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine does your game freeze up when you try to save?

obsidian jacinth
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Is it too.... cinematic.. @fluid igloo

fluid igloo
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No

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It's just an unrealistic goal for my rig

pallid vine
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it hangs a little bit yeah, but then goes on like normal

obsidian jacinth
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tbh honest the human eye can't see past 24f.....

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JKS

pallid vine
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but the current save doesnt update

tranquil spoke
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you have the corrupt save bug

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theres a fix for it

frosty rampart
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There is no right method for all processors and heat sinks. If you want to get down to it, it depends on the makeup of the processor+heat sink metals, the overall resting temperature, the viscosity and brand of the thermal paste, I could go on, but there are many variables for just one method to be right.

tranquil spoke
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but you'll lose a little bit of progress

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@pallid vine if you want the fix let me know

obsidian jacinth
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@fluid igloo M8 if you're amurican you can build a pc that can do over 60 for under 1000$

elfin tundra
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Okay I just stocked up on carbon, thaumium, plutonium, zinc, and hemedite to mass make warp fuel.

fluid igloo
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I agree @frosty rampart

elfin tundra
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and spent the last 30 mins warping from one spot to the next trying to reach the center of the univers,e going through every black hole

pallid vine
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i am currently validating steam files for it

fluid igloo
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@obsidian jacinth The thing is, my PC should be able to run it at 60 FPS as is

obsidian jacinth
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@elfin tundra How much plutonium does you has?

elfin tundra
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and I seem to be no closer than when I started

frosty rampart
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Me personally, I just close my eyes, glob on the whole tube, and hope for the best.

tranquil spoke
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@frosty rampart actually there is a general concensus of the best way to apply 90% of pastes and it's the plus method

obsidian jacinth
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TOP GEK

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WHO CARES

frosty rampart
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We do. Kind of the reason we're discussing it.

tranquil spoke
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it results in an even spread of the entire transistor layout

elfin tundra
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When I started I had 1-2k of each material

obsidian jacinth
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nice

tranquil spoke
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and reduces air pockets

elfin tundra
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Is it even possible to get to the center of the unvierse?

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or am I wasting my time

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because I've been warping non-stop for a while

obsidian jacinth
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you can get to the centre of the galaxy fine

pallid vine
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so after i validated steam files it seems to have fixed it

obsidian jacinth
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you need the tau sigma and thetha upgrades

tranquil spoke
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@elfin tundra people are reaching the center of their third galaxy so far, not sure about the universe though

fluid igloo
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I know wood glue is generally better with a thin X then a thick dot of glue

obsidian jacinth
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makes it much easier

fluid igloo
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Wait

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This game has Galaxies AND UNIVERSES?

elfin tundra
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What happens at the center of the galaxy? Anything special

obsidian jacinth
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no galaxies

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One universe

fluid igloo
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Oh

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I was going to say

tranquil spoke
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@elfin tundra go to spoilers channel if you want to know

obsidian jacinth
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technically galaxies and dimensions

fluid igloo
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Eh

obsidian jacinth
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based on the names of the ones been to

swift bison
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No

frosty rampart
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The main takeaway in all this is, unless you're looking to get to the top percentile in the lowest temps, the application of thermal paste doesn't matter in the leastm if you're not a moron.

elfin tundra
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My ship is fully pimped out, got all upgrades for my suit and got a killer multitool

tribal oak
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wow piracy is kind of lucrative

fluid igloo
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I doubt I'll even reach the center before I have all the upgrades

elfin tundra
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and have enough money and mats to last me the voyage if I had more patience

full stirrup
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AAHAH

elfin tundra
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but after playing for two days I've had fun but kinda getting tired of it.

full stirrup
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FINALLY

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ALUMINIUM

frosty rampart
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Oh is that how you get black holes? Ask for a shortcut?

fluid igloo
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My first sit down with the game I had spent 7 hours without realizing it

elfin tundra
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it just seems like you go to star to star to star to black hole to star to star to star

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and it gets boring. I want to get to the good stuff

fluid igloo
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Honestly, I haven't even left my planet yet

tranquil spoke
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it's faster to follow the atlas story

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to get to the center

elfin tundra
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I tried for a long time too

fluid igloo
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I've gone to a space station but not to my home planet's moon

elfin tundra
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I just endedup at these wierd red orbs that gave me atlas stones

frosty rampart
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I'm putting the game down for a while until some of the boring gets patched out. Even blazed, I'm finding it a bit bland.

elfin tundra
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and after the 4 th one I said screw this and decided to try to adventure

tranquil spoke
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nothing happens so far when entering the next galaxy

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which is disappointing

pallid vine
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aaand back to not saving

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine i can tell you how to fix it

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kinda..

robust owl
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aye. does anyone know if theres a mod to create a wider veriety of plants?

pallid vine
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what is causing it do you think?

tranquil spoke
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i don't know what causes it initially

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but i know what breaks it

robust owl
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@tranquil spoke i mean ive seen about 5 mods already

swift bison
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Yeah, but not that advanced mods

robust owl
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eh worth a try

swift bison
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Wider variety of planets requires newer models i think

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine if you use the "reload last save" or "reload previous save" buttons it will corrupt the game somehow and you wont be able to keep saving

swift bison
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So yeah, thats gonna take some time :P

pallid vine
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you have to be kidding me

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine if your current save is broken and doesn't allow you to keep saving you will have to delete the saves

frosty rampart
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Took a look at things onder the hood, this thing runs on spaghetti code.

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine are you playing on PC?

pallid vine
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yes

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine using cloud for saves?

frosty rampart
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Not just a few tangles here and there, this game is one big ball of yuck

swift bison
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How so?

pallid vine
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i believe so

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine alt+f4 to close your game, load it up and try to save

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if it works

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you don't have to delete anything

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just never use the reload save buttons

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always alt+f4 to reload the last save

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until they fix it

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if when you load up the game and try to save it locks up for a second then continues normally

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you'll have to delete the latest save file

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and continue from your previous one

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there is apparently an experimental patch

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that fixes the corrupt saves

pallid vine
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did this happen to you also?

tranquil spoke
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yea

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like 6 hours into my play session

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i found out it was the reload save buttons breaking the saving

elfin tundra
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okay so the center of the galaxy doesnt seem all that interesting to me

pallid vine
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i opted into the beta / experimental patch

tranquil spoke
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i just make sure i save a lot now

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and keep backups

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on google drive

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and use alt+f4 if i need to reload from a previous save

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the intro is only like 2s for me

swift bison
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Woah

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I wonder if the patch will fix everythibg

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For everyone

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Probs not yeah

tranquil spoke
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the intro is almost instant

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actually

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yeah

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theres no delay there

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maybe it's the fast action mod im using

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idk

robust owl
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yeah mines long too

tranquil spoke
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the engine display screen

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takes longer

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than the star display

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nope

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it's on my HDD

obsidian jacinth
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ssd drive does make sense lol

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SOLID STATE DRIVE DRIVE

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ok

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oh my

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any of you guys tried mods?

tranquil spoke
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i use 5 mods

obsidian jacinth
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I am going to install a few now

robust owl
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is there a mod compile site for nms? i might check a few out

obsidian jacinth
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yes

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there is actually

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also a subreddit

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/r/nomansskymods

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i think

tranquil spoke
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instagram filter remover, increased resolution mutliplier (1.5x), chromatic abberation + vignetting + scanlines remover, and fast actions,

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i can link you to them if you want

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game looks 100x better

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and fast actions is a great time saver

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no one wants to hold down a button til it activates...

robust owl
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i dont mind that part. i just hate the long notifications and achievments

obsidian jacinth
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yeah those are good mods to use

pliant fjordBOT
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โ€‹โฌ† <Diddoe> [MOD] NORMAL GALAXY MOD - CLEAN BLACK [posted 12 hours ago, 14 comments, score: 31]

mystic frigate
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@robust owl are you finally able to play?

tranquil spoke
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i use 130 fov too

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which helps a ton

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i don't know why companies are obsessed with 60fov in fps games

obsidian jacinth
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ikr

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so whats the point of internal resolution multiplier?

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Doesn't the game already have one

tranquil spoke
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it makes the game less "blurry"

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the one that is built in

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is a pile of shit

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1.5 makes it look like it should

obsidian jacinth
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ok

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at the cost of a bit of fps depending on ur rig

tranquil spoke
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i didn't notice any fps difference on my system

obsidian jacinth
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ah

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gg

tranquil spoke
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i7-4790K, 16gb ram, r9 380

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pretty basic rig

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1080p

obsidian jacinth
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i7-3820 32gb ram gtx 960

tranquil spoke
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it's a voxel game

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best thing for it

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would be an amd APU

robust owl
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@mystic frigate was afkish. and YESSS

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๐Ÿ˜„

tranquil spoke
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instead of a dedicated gpu/cpu

obsidian jacinth
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yeah lol

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I haven't had any crashing issue surprisingly

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or really any major stuttering

robust owl
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there we go got some coffee going now i can try these modsout

obsidian jacinth
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only a lilttle when I spawn in after starting the game for about 10 seconds

mystic frigate
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regarding FOV, console games are designed with a lower FOV typically because they assume you are sitting on a couch far away from your tv

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instead of right in front of your screen

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and this is a console game ๐Ÿ˜›

obsidian jacinth
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like us PC nerds

tranquil spoke
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i mean.. they just had to change the freakin settings file

obsidian jacinth
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those console gamers are so cool compared to us with their blurry graphics, 30fps, 900p, 60fov swaglords

tranquil spoke
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before building it

mystic frigate
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yep but console ports never do

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they should but they never do

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its dumb af

obsidian jacinth
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barely

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only a couple

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and still sometimes they market that and it doesn't stay at 60 stable

fluid igloo
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TMW you're just mining and you accidentally aggro a Sentinel ship in space

obsidian jacinth
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shoot it

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make it go boom

tranquil spoke
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i just found a herox formula

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time to go anhero

fluid igloo
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Uh

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I actually don't care about HD ๐Ÿ˜› ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

tranquil spoke
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i played quakeworld for a decade

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low resolution barely bothers me

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but low fov

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wtf D:

unreal hemlock
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You can increase FOV in text editor.

fluid igloo
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The FOV seems fine where it's at

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I think I set it to 90 maybe?

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Or maybe I didn't even change it

tranquil spoke
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you can't see all the ship panels

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at 100 fov

honest basalt
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Nintendo games are pretty famous for being able to hit solid 60 on the Wii U

half crag
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hi

obsidian jacinth
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just put the mod on that removes chromatic shit and scan lines etc

tranquil spoke
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consoles are the cancer of the gaming industry

fluid igloo
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No they aren't

unreal hemlock
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Literally if you're not used to the FOV, you can change it beyond 100 in text editor. Find the tkgraphics file and you're gucci

fluid igloo
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Games are games are games are games

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No matter the tool used to play them

tranquil spoke
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there is literally zero reason to buy a console

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over a PC

obsidian jacinth
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is 130 fov good?

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ill change it to that

tranquil spoke
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130 fov is best

fluid igloo
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Except not everyone has $1000 to drop on a PC?

obsidian jacinth
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what file am I looking for?

tranquil spoke
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for both foot and ship

unreal hemlock
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Fifa is a reason to buy console :P

tranquil spoke
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@fluid igloo i put together my rig for $600

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which is significantly better than any console

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and will last me for years

fluid igloo
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I bought the WiiU for Mario Maker and Smash 4

obsidian jacinth
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my graphics card cost almost that #Australian Money

unreal hemlock
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And yet a console costs only $349

lilac frigate
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Exclusives would be my reason as well. I bought a WiiU for the exclusives, skipped on the PS4 and Xbox One because at that point they didn't have many yet. But my next will be a PS4 as well, simply due to games that aren't on the PC

eternal helm
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Better game variety on PC

stoic gazelle
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so after nvidia update y esterday, my nms doesnt know wtf to do

lilac frigate
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So they can perfectly coexist

stoic gazelle
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the one thing it messed up was now i cant get above 2fps in ships

eternal helm
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Unless you like a console for a few exclusives.

tranquil spoke
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@lilac frigate that's entirely my point, people make console games specifically instead of just making them for PC like they should

mystic frigate
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dont all the EA sports games have bullshit microtransactions now though

tranquil spoke
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consoles are cancer

robust owl
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is there a mod that takes out the constant objective reminders?

stoic gazelle
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someone mentioned something that dismantled into gravitino balls, does anyone remember?

eternal helm
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But really most everyone owns a PC. Why not spend a couple hundred more and make it your gaming device too.

fluid igloo
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Actually, this is the first PC I've ever owned

obsidian jacinth
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im in the tkgraphics file

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what am I looking for

fluid igloo
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I have no regrets buying the WiiU tbh

inner vector
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ugh, running at a playable 27fps

unreal hemlock
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@tranquil spoke and the reason is for PC you need to optimize for. Many different architectures where as with consoles it's only one particular architecture. It makes sense.

tribal oak
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you should really be able to sell from your ship to traders...

mint spear
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meh hacked my Wii U

inner vector
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wonder if I should dial back my res

mint spear
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free games

obsidian jacinth
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@inner vector what are your specs

unreal hemlock
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@mint spear piracy isn't a good thing :/.

obsidian jacinth
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YO IM IN THE TKGRAPHICS FILE WHAT DO I LOOK FOR

mint spear
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oh i know

inner vector
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2600k / 980 FTW ed. / 32gb ram / 2560x1440

eternal helm
#

What I find humorous is the Intel HD people that "refuse to buy a new PC to play this game" when all they need to do is buy a graphics card.

obsidian jacinth
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why the fuck are you gettng 30fps

inner vector
#

i'm only running 2 mods

tranquil spoke
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@unreal hemlock optimizing a game for different systems/architectures is a software issue not hardware and these days it's insanely easy to release games that support almost everything

unreal hemlock
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@obsidian jacinth the stuff in that text file literally is self explanatory.

inner vector
#

quick actions and chromatic removal

lilac frigate
#

@fluid igloo The WiiU is a sales failure, but the games that are available on it... Most of them are definitely worth getting. I have more playtime on my WiiU than I had on my 360 / PS3

mint spear
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Xenoblade X was great

obsidian jacinth
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@unreal hemlock Thats funny I looked for FOV with CTRL+F and couldnt find it

mint spear
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one of the best Wii U games

fluid igloo
#

Actually, IMO the Wii U is superior in everything but a pure hardware standpoint

inner vector
#

something is hogging my cpu tho while I'm running the game

tranquil spoke
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@unreal hemlock the biggest mistake Sean Murray made was creating their own engine for this game

unreal hemlock
#

@tranquil spoke im a computer engineer, it's not insanely easy. It costs a shit ton of money to optimize for different architectures. A shit ton.

inner vector
#

still

obsidian jacinth
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your cpu is a 2600 yeah?

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You should upgrade that

tranquil spoke
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i've been a software engineer for 18 years

lilac frigate
#

@mint spear I've gotten light carpel tunnel because I've binge played it during the christmas holidays, that should say something ๐Ÿ˜›

inner vector
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its OCd tooo

mystic frigate
#

oh shit who's dick is bigger, whip em out boys

mint spear
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heh

inner vector
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can we measure dick size by steam games?

unreal hemlock
#

Exactly so you should know. The amount of architectures you need to take into account. Don't be naive.

honest basalt
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Optimizing for every single possible configuration is time consuming

mystic frigate
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lol grinn you win that one

full stirrup
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by every AAA game that you dont own

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your dick is better

obsidian jacinth
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oh i found it

mint spear
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i get 65 to 80 FPS in no man's sky

honest basalt
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SLI, Crossfire, Eyefinity, etc.

inner vector
#

hmm, thats fair i guess

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whats your specs @mint spear

honest basalt
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These are all niche market features, and as such aren't always supported well

mint spear
#

oh lets see

honest basalt
#

Something that less than 1% of your players will have

obsidian jacinth
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maybe this mod will kill my rig

mint spear
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i7 5820 @3.30 16GB ram and a AMD R9 295x

tranquil spoke
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@unreal hemlock support for different architectures is an engine problem and is incredibly well documented now.. the issue is people keep trying to re-invent the wheel and release games on poorly designed engines

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there is nothing "hard" about it

honest basalt
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There's not a lot of good 'all around' engines though

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UE4 does UI crap

obsidian jacinth
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no it seems ok

honest basalt
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no engine does UI well

obsidian jacinth
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hmm what should I use to measure fps

tribal oak
#

i am now dangerous

honest basalt
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So you have to third party stuff

inner vector
#

nice @mint spear

tranquil spoke
#

70%-80% of a games budget goes into marketing/art

inner vector
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my new build should be much better

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but this 980 should be doing fine

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that is, if the game were optimized

unreal hemlock
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I'm not gonna argue with someone who is tunnel visioned on 'pc master race lelele'๐Ÿ˜

tranquil spoke
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how am i tunnel visioned?

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you literally couldn't give me a single reason why anyone should buy console games besides architecture issues

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but all the issues are insanely well documented

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and easy to fix

merry moon
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is that the real sean murray

honest basalt
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Actually, marketing is usually handled by the publisher

tranquil spoke
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no it's not

unreal hemlock
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No I never said that haha.

full stirrup
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no

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im the real one

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all my murrine shuld be the proof

honest basalt
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It's rare a studio pays for its own marketing

inner vector
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can someone take a pic of their binaries folder for me?

tranquil spoke
#

Sean Murrary ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ - Today at 10:56 PM
@tranquil spoke and the reason is for PC you need to optimize for. Many different architectures where as with consoles it's only one particular architecture. It makes sense.

obsidian jacinth
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Yo whats a good program to measure fps

tranquil spoke
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actually you did

inner vector
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need to see if a mod left some gunk in there

merry moon
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do you care if my versions pirated

unreal hemlock
#

I said the issue with developing for a PC is that you have to take multiple architectures and configs into consideration whereas with console it's all the same across the board for millions of people who own the exact same console.

inner vector
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steam version

honest basalt
#

Most of the cost of game development isn't hardware/software/anything like that

inner vector
#

i dont @merry moon

honest basalt
#

It's actually paying the developers

merry moon
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@obsidian jacinth fraps, msi afterburner

mint spear
honest basalt
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And building upkeep/leasing/etc.

tranquil spoke
#

you don't really seem to get it

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but it's ok

inner vector
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as long as its the steam version

mint spear
#

best thing ever

obsidian jacinth
#

oh wait no I hasa program nvm

merry moon
inner vector
#

ty

unreal hemlock
#

No software will ever be fully optimized in an environment where multiple configurations exist. That's simply impossible and in such a world from a business perspective I'd choose developing on console over pc every single day of the week.

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Unless I'm already a billionaire and don't care.

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Like valve.

inner vector
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k, i'm all set

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not sure whats tanking my fps

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maybe my pc needs a good cleaning

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nite players

full stirrup
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@inner vector dont forget, use the micro$oft approved soap and water

merry moon
#

the game needs a cleaning thats whatll fix your fps

obsidian jacinth
#

interesting playclaw doesn't work with nms

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I use it for crosshair overlay on planetside 2

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which is allowed

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well I used to

tranquil spoke
#

software can only be optimized so far before it provides zero benefit

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hardware has little to do with it

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this is why we have minimum system requirements

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on games

unreal hemlock
#

Yet software needs to work on the hardware it's designed for innit

tranquil spoke
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you don't design software to target specific hardware (outside of input controllers)

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that's just retarded

honest basalt
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You sometimes need to

tranquil spoke
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to imply

unreal hemlock
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You kinda do with the consoles. And that's why we get shitty pc ports.

tranquil spoke
#

....that's my entire fucking point

honest basalt
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There's some older hardware that requires specific tweaks to be able to use certain methods/render things properly

unreal hemlock
#

Designed for console, ported to pc, runs like shit on pc because 'poorly optimised' when in fact perfectly optimized to run on the intended platform.

tranquil spoke
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if your pc port runs like shit

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then you're completely designing your infrastructure WRONG

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unless your pc doesn't meet the minimum requirements

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of the software

merry moon
#

-popcorn-

honest basalt
#

Keep in mind, most ports aren't done inhouse

unreal hemlock
#

^

honest basalt
#

They get contracts from the lowest bidder to port it

mint spear
#

great idea......not

honest basalt
#

Red Button Games is an example of a studio who does ports

tranquil spoke
#

that's because people are idiots

honest basalt
#

as well as Flying Squirrel? I think it was

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I think that's their name

mint spear
#

you get to take the heat if whoever ported it fucked up

tranquil spoke
#

requiring another company

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to port your game

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is an engine issue

honest basalt
#

Some companies who port for contract are pretty good at what they do though

tranquil spoke
#

with modern engines you can pick which platform specifically to target

honest basalt
#

Flying Squirrel tends to do a good job

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Red Button, not so much

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Like getting cryengine running on a console

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One of my friends works there and had to deal with that mess

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Works at flying squirrel, that is

tranquil spoke
#

if you're designing your own game engine

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and being expected to release games

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instead

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you're an idiot

honest basalt
#

Not really.

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Case in point, Epic Games

tranquil spoke
#

you shouldn't work at a game studio

honest basalt
#

Or Valve

tranquil spoke
#

if you're designing engines

vale quest
#

My new 48 slot!

honest basalt
#

Or Cryengine

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Crytek*

tranquil spoke
#

those are all game engine companies

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all the games built ontop of the engines

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are basically just tech demos

honest basalt
#

Get to be a big enough company, and you can make your own engine through a seperate team and have another make games

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Lumberyard by Amazon being another example

tranquil spoke
#

did you not read what i said

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D:

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game studios specifically

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should not make engines

honest basalt
#

You don't have to be an 'engine' company, or a 'game' company and only do one

tranquil spoke
#

you should have a separate studio for creating engines

honest basalt
#

Is what I'm saying

tranquil spoke
#

if you're a small team you shouldn't even attempt to make an engine

honest basalt
#

You obviously shouldn't overreach and make your own engine as an indie that's fully featured, and then make a game at the same time

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That's definitely a misappropriation of resources

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But if you're a giant company with a wide umbrella, you can throw money/people at the problem and not care

tranquil spoke
#

those companies are not game studios specifically

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that's my point

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they have a completely separate team

honest basalt
#

Keep in mind, No Man's Sky's been in development for awhile

tranquil spoke
#

for making the engine

honest basalt
#

We don't know how long that's been engine, and how long that's been game dev

tranquil spoke
#

clearly all their time has been spent on the engine

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saying otherwise is naive

honest basalt
#

Not really.

tranquil spoke
#

and hilarious at the same time

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look at any ludum dare

honest basalt
#

Development hell is a very real phenomenon

mint spear
#

tfw hello games cuts 80% of the content

tranquil spoke
#

the amount of content people produce

mint spear
#

someone has a petition

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lol

tranquil spoke
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in ludum dare competitions

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is usually equal to or greater than the amount of content

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in NMS

mint spear
#

im still pissed of at the stuff they cut

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let alone the shit performance

tranquil spoke
#

you could literally take an existing game engine

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like unity3d

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and follow tutorials online

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and remake NMS

mint spear
#

i have a theory it was for the ps4

tranquil spoke
#

within a few months

honest basalt
#

It's very very easy to get stuck in development hell and stop making progress

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By going "Oh we need to do this", then "Oh that too."

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This is known as feature creep

tranquil spoke
#

any sane developer

honest basalt
#

Keep that going long enough, and you run into tech debt

tranquil spoke
#

will have a list

honest basalt
#

Nope.

tranquil spoke
#

that they go through

mint spear
#

they would have a list

honest basalt
#

Game dev is a bunch of drama

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I've worked in the industry

mint spear
#

and wouldnt cut most of the features

tranquil spoke
#

the companies you work at are shit

mint spear
#

^^

tranquil spoke
#

if they don't have feature lists

honest basalt
#

Most producers/managers are "Do this" "This is now a prioritity"

tranquil spoke
#

that are ordered

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by the lead developer

honest basalt
#

Oh, sure, there's lists

tranquil spoke
#

at the beginning of the project

honest basalt
#

but the priorities continually change

tranquil spoke
#

if your priorities are changing

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you have a bad lead

mint spear
#

most producers managers? well if sean is the head then he proves how shit everything is

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no communication

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nothing

honest basalt
#

Look up game companies through glasssdoor

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And be sad

tranquil spoke
#

i have no intention of looking up shitty game studios

honest basalt
#

Most of those stories are true

#

Look up the big companies too, like id studios

robust owl
#

so much better now! stupid actions being stupid

honest basalt
#

Lots of bad management everywhere

mint spear
#

wonder who really is at fault here

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sony or hello games

tranquil spoke
#

when did they first announce NMS?

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wasn't it 2008?

mint spear
#

nah the dev files date abck to then

honest basalt
#

It was at some VGX

mint spear
#

2013

tranquil spoke
#

that's 8 years of development time

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it's pathetic how little is done

mint spear
#

i followed form the beggining, hell even post launch i was like

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@tranquil spoke the thing is, we prob had those things shown off in the trialers

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most of it was cut

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id unerstand a dev cutting 1 or 2 things

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but its a whole list of, well everything that has been promised or shown

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or both

shut kettle
#

I think a lot of the issue, is how rabid the fans got

mint spear
#

maybe thats a good thing

tranquil spoke
#

i think the issue is the developers

mint spear
#

the backlash may teach something

shut kettle
#

the whole issue with jimquistion?

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death threats and ddosing people who dont like the game?

#

thats not good lol

mint spear
#

yeah but the backlash will teach people now hopefully

#

as a director of marketing company, this really stinks of publisher involvement

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i.e sony

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id understand hg communicating for game issues

tranquil spoke
#

the number of bugs still in the game

mint spear
#

but all the issues with the whole "missprint" on the box

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that was them

tranquil spoke
#

makes me think it's just incompotent developers

mint spear
#

also remember, many pc games were shat on before to match the quality of console

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and considering well, sony brought hg out

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idk

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just a theory form a proffesional experience

shut kettle
#

I can't speak the bugs, ive been pretty lucky and havent had any yet

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or any ive ntoced

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speak to*

full stirrup
#

the worst and only notable bug i saw

mint spear
#

considering the marketing for it, no way in hell could hg afford that

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nor are they markting experts

full stirrup
#

was i used pulse drive to get to a space staition, and it didnt stop

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and i lost control of my ship

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and had to restart the game

tranquil spoke
#

i've found about 80-90 different bugs now

mint spear
#

i wish flying wasnt handheld

tranquil spoke
#

just by playing the game

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and not intentionally looking for them

mint spear
#

i didnt encounter any bugs luckily

full stirrup
#

if i count minor bugs

mint spear
#

just poor performance

full stirrup
#

i would say ive seen 5

mint spear
#

and crashes

full stirrup
#

in 50 hours of playing

tranquil spoke
#

there are so many game breaking bugs

#

it's hilarious

shut kettle
#

Can you give me an example?

tranquil spoke
#

the most notable is the save corruption bug

mint spear
#

yeah thats shit

full stirrup
#

yes, its real funny when you dont install the right drivers and the game is broken :^)

tranquil spoke
#

they couldn't even get a basic serialization system working

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before release

pallid vine
#

soo it seems like some ppl had their save file fucked by the beta / experimental patch

mint spear
#

i hate the launch shit into atmosphere thing

full stirrup
#

thats like saying "UHM I TILTED THE CARTRAGE AND NOW THE GAME IS BROKEN HOW LAME IS THAT"

tranquil spoke
#

ship completely disappearing off the planet

mint spear
#

lol

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yeah

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flying away

tranquil spoke
#

only way to get it back is to use bypass chip

#

is pretty major too

mint spear
#

there is absolutely no excuse for a dev to releade a game in this state

#

no excuse

elfin tundra
#

Can you reach the sun?

tranquil spoke
#

like i said, the only thing that makes sense is incompotent developers

full stirrup
#

i n s t a l l t h e p r o p e r d r i v e r s

elfin tundra
#

Cause I am on a collision course for it and have been for a while

mint spear
#

i think both are at fault

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install proper drivers
still doesnt work

full stirrup
#

t h e g a m e r u n s f i n e f o r m e

pallid vine
#

the best time to get launched into space is when you are flying around trying to do the slot upgrade ship game and you dont have everything fixed but have cargo of value in your ship to get the attention of pirate ships

tranquil spoke
#

@elfin tundra don't think so, it's probably just a texture

mint spear
#

sorry your not representative of peoiple who do have issues

full stirrup
#

w h y a m i t a l k i n g f a g g o t s p e a k

mint spear
#

infact the latets driver caused even more issues for people

tranquil spoke
#

another big bug... blueprints not showing up when you find them

mint spear
#

ouch

full stirrup
#

i wonder if planet E3 still exists...

mint spear
#

it does

tranquil spoke
#

how poor does your testing team have to be

mint spear
#

except it was scripted

tranquil spoke
#

to miss blueprints not showing up

#

i mean... comeon

mint spear
#

yeah

pallid vine
#

yeah that one is fun @tranquil spoke , i started screen shotting every blueprint i was getting so i could prove to myself i wasnt going crazy when they didnt show up

tranquil spoke
#

if you pay attention

#

you will "find" words

#

you already have found

#

as well

#

but theres no "already known" for them

full stirrup
#

i wish there was like, a dictionary

#

where you could see every word you have learned

tranquil spoke
#

the total lack of a custom waypoint system

#

or a way to mark and return to systems you've been to

#

is the biggest thing i hate about this game

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so far

pallid vine
#

was about to mention that same thing @tranquil spoke

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i would like to be able to have a filter and or clear way points

tranquil spoke
#

and the non-random race generation

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of npc's

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on planets or stations

#

and the complete lack of wandering npc's

#

what the hell is that about

#

why is there no gek out mining shit

#

theres animals everywhere

#

why no humanoids?

shut kettle
#

i mean it seems like you dont like the game in gneral lol

pallid vine
#

b/c players might mistake them for another player and have a meltdown

tranquil spoke
#

i like the concept of the game

mint spear
#

it seems a lot of it was cut

tranquil spoke
#

but it lacks

mint spear
#

at least the more inteligent npc's

tranquil spoke
#

so many BASIC things

#

that should be there

#

especially for a $60

#

game

#

the procedural generation isn't impressive

pallid vine
#

yeah, this is much more like a 19.99 game at most

tranquil spoke
#

theres free tutorials online

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you could follow

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and make the same thing

#

within a few days

pallid vine
#

like i would love to trade the shit blueprint tagging system that doesnt work very well for a waypoint control system

merry moon
#

my favorite review from steam was "An mile wide but an inch deep."

tranquil spoke
#

also, explain why there are only 3 or 4 upgrades

robust owl
#

well. i im pretty sure they fucked everyone into thinking it was gunna be procedural generation not just reskins. which is all it is. the same 10 plants or so reskined

tranquil spoke
#

for gear

#

is that a joke

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it's like they didn't even play the game

#

while developing it

#

to see if everything works and is fun to play

elfin tundra
#

If I just keep flying via pulse drive will I get anywhere

tranquil spoke
#

they should just release the sourcecode

#

and let modders take over

#

completely

full stirrup
#

aw fuck

#

i never knew black holes did THAT to my ship... back to aluminium finding i go

tranquil spoke
#

also why is there no procedural terminal puzzles?

shut kettle
#

thats

#

actually a cool idea

tranquil spoke
#

i have a list here

#

with 10 answers

#

that's the total number of unique puzzles i've found

#

maybe sony told them to keep content out of the game

#

so they could release paid DLC

#

or the random number generator they use

#

is horrible

pallid vine
#

its such a cool universe

shut kettle
#

Ive been enjoying it

#

the game is more or less what i expected it to be, and im pretty happy with it

#

and i think its got a lot of room to grow, and if the Devs are commited as they say they are then im totally stoked to see where it goe

pallid vine
#

i am such a masochist i can put up with a lot of lies and w/e but shit like my safe files getting jacked is too much

hardy compass
#

yeah screw that

tranquil spoke
#

@pallid vine i'd make a tool to fix them but i don't have time to reverse the saving function

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though i doubt the serialization is very complex

pallid vine
#

i mean that seems like dangerous thinking, @shut kettle , this idea that the devs that allowed people to think all of these fts were going to be in the game and really at some point seems like outright lies in some cases, would somehow grow this game into something more, i know that is positive thinking and all but it can juse lead to more let downs

shut kettle
#

I know im in the minority, but i really havent been let down, Ive been enjoying the game, and i guess what im trying to say is im excited to see where it goes,. and even if it doesnt change much from what it is now, i like it

hardy compass
#

What do you enjoy about it?

pallid vine
#

i suppose you could have an outlook that it couldnt get worse? but with such public vagueness i can only expect more of the same trash

shut kettle
#

I like the whole going through space, winding up on weird planets mining stuff and then selling it

tranquil spoke
#

the game just feels like a massive tech demo

#

which took way too long to build

#

i would be impressed if this game was released in 2002 - 2004

pallid vine
#

in less than an hour into the game it felt like i had paid to beta test this game

tranquil spoke
#

but even then

#

it's really lacking

hardy compass
#

@shut kettle but there are not doubt better games that do the same, what about NMS does it for you?

robust owl
#

mf. payed money to learn a new recipe and i learned one that i already knew. gg

shut kettle
#

The only thing comparable i can think of (off the top of my head is starbound) and i hate that style of art

tranquil spoke
#

you could go get Freelancer

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and have more content

#

than NMS

hardy compass
#

or Elite

#

or EVE

mint spear
#

the money for it would be worth sometime

hardy compass
#

or hell even the X series

mint spear
#

in upcoming patches the game might turn a full 360 degrees and impress us

pallid vine
#

there was more content in MUDs that i played when i was 12

shut kettle
#

I thought EVe was bad, but i never played Elite ive heard its good

mint spear
#

i couldve got any other game tbh

hardy compass
#

gees you could play Traveller and get a better experience

mint spear
#

but i already played over 2 hours

#

you mean 180 degrees

#

lol

#

or was that just a meme

hardy compass
#

lol

pallid vine
#

yeah, its been over 2 hours so i am stuck with the save file corrupting trash

dreamy birch
#

It's funny for being so procedural, a few hours in to playing and the patterns are glaringly obvious

tranquil spoke
#

@pallid vine did you do the fix i told you about?

mint spear
#

meme

#

cuz its a meter wide and an inch deep

hardy compass
#

@dreamy birch Im ~45 hours in and it doesnt get better

mint spear
#

they should make up for it or they will get more hate tbh

pallid vine
#

i tried a little something, i deleted storage.3.hg and mf_storage.hg then started it up and after the intro loaded from prev save, i forgot if that is what you mentioned

#

i also opted out fo the beta / experimental patch

tranquil spoke
#

you just have to delete your most recent save

#

and never use the reload save buttons

#

until they fix it

raven urchin
#

hey, did anyone use win 10 here ?

tranquil spoke
#

i do

raven urchin
pallid vine
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it seems to be working now, but i fucking hate having to spend extra time checking and be peranoid

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine the saves rotate in order

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in which they get overridden

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which i think is where it gets corrupt

dreamy birch
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@hardy compass right? The planets don't even feel different for all their variation.

hardy compass
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I dont have windows 10, 'cause you know... I dont hate myself

tranquil spoke
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or they aren't wiping out the previous file

stoic gazelle
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ugh

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cant find anything that dismantles into gravitino ball

tranquil spoke
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w10 is better than all the other versions of windows

stoic gazelle
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sucks cus im on gravitino ball planet, zillions of the buggers

tranquil spoke
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once you disable all the shit

hardy compass
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@dreamy birch and the building are all the same, I recall about 8 of them

stoic gazelle
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yeah, i prefer win10

tranquil spoke
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theres a tool now that lets you instantly disable all the logging and shitty apps

robust owl
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i have win 10 and 7 on the same comp :p

stoic gazelle
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@tranquil spoke Yeah, i use that ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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so, those weird fps issues

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after nvidia update

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for a laugh i let the geforce experience thing set my settings

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shit is legit, way over 100fps now

raven urchin
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i should try it

tranquil spoke
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i haven't had any issues with crashing in NMS on w10

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with my rig

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just corrupt save file

stoic gazelle
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no crashing on my rig either

tranquil spoke
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and the crash was with a bugged multi-tool terminal

stoic gazelle
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just weird fps issues when i get in my ship

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drop from 60+ to exactly 2fps

tranquil spoke
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i'm guessing

hardy compass
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no crashes for me, just awful frame rate

tranquil spoke
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they use an array

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to randomly pick blueprint

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to give you

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when you use a multi-tool blueprint

pallid vine
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like how lazy can these be, the good old 1 5 3 7 5 9, why cant they at least change up the numbers? leave the same boring pattern

stoic gazelle
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lol

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i usually get diff numbers?

tranquil spoke
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and the terminal i used used an overflowing index

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@pallid vine because they don't understand the RNG

hardy compass
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no its not RNG, its "procedural generation"

tranquil spoke
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same thing

mint spear
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kek

tranquil spoke
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it would literally take about 2 minutes

hardy compass
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I was be facetious

tranquil spoke
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to implement "procedural" number puzzles

mint spear
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๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‘Œ procedural generation lies

hardy compass
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Todd and Peter are proud

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the holy triad of lies will soon combine their forces

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and the world will be reborn

tranquil spoke
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^i bet they just read this page

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and copied a ton of the "tutorials"

hardy compass
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you cant hate, they're a "small team"

tranquil spoke
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actually that would be giving them too much credit

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the tutorials on pcg wiki are really detailed

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the ship crosshair bug is hilarious

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why is it so hard to center the crosshair?!

hardy compass
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center it on what?

tranquil spoke
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you haven't seen this bug yet?

hardy compass
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nope

tranquil spoke
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when you enter your ship

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sometimes the crosshair

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will be off center

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so you'll be looking out the side of your ship cockpit

hardy compass
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10/10 game of the year

tranquil spoke
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that "NMS has gone gold!" tweet

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is the most hilarious thing ive ever seen

robust owl
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^

hardy compass
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to me NMS is quickly becoming a long winded, unfunny joke

tranquil spoke
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i wish someone would decompile it already

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or reverse some of the functions

robust owl
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its like. i really do like the game alot. but. wtf did they do for 4 years

tranquil spoke
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probably took baths in that pre-order money

pallid vine
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pretty awesome, show up at a crash site i havent been to before, and no ship is there

tranquil spoke
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@pallid vine you sure you haven't been there?

hardy compass
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I'd say those 4 years were spend realizing what happens when your ambition over shadows your skill

tranquil spoke
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if you followed a beacon

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you could have visited it already

pallid vine
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yeah, each of my last ships get left there and i always do the little mod deal to get a blueprint i already have

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that one had no prev ship and unused interactions

tranquil spoke
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i can't even be bothered with those beacons anymore

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i figure if there is some magical blueprint i don't have

hardy compass
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those red beacons?

tranquil spoke
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the chance of it being useful at this point

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is non existant

pallid vine
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i only do them to mark that area i guess, and maybe get one of my blueprints to show up again that i should already have

keen arrow
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I hate people that are complaining about the game .

tranquil spoke
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why?

keen arrow
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They will fix it and make it better

tranquil spoke
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complaints are justified

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it's the same as critizing a movie

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or food

pallid vine
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why, we are not personally attacking you

keen arrow
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No not you guys

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I'm talking about people on youtube

hardy compass
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I can only make judgements based on my current view

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I will not wait for someone to "fix it" later

keen arrow
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One guy was reviewing it and he was still in his home system

tranquil spoke
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youtubers are after whatever will get them the most views

pallid vine
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you went looking for ppl that were complaining?

tranquil spoke
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jumping on the "this game is shit" bandwagon

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is a good way

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to increase viewer count

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with no effort involved

keen arrow
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True

pallid vine
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if i had the time on my hands i could search youtube or w/e and find people complaining about anything

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i dont think it would bring me to hate them, maybe judge them a little bit

hardy compass
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I think Worth A Buy was had the best review of NMS so far

tranquil spoke
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theres so many EASY to implement things

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that they just didn't bother with

keen arrow
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I'm gonna check out his

tranquil spoke
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it's insane

keen arrow
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Noogi

robust owl
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one of that biggest things someone needs to mod is a stack/transfer all option imo

tranquil spoke
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you know the hilarious part?

pallid vine
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yeah, like dozens of missed chances to make the game just a little bit more barable

tranquil spoke
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i'm like 99% sure now that the planets

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are just repeated noise

hardy compass
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@keen arrow I dont think you'll like it, but I found it enjoyable

tranquil spoke
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after you cover a certain distance

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you'll start getting the same geometry

pallid vine
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oh yeah, i did that @tranquil spoke on a pretty open bare plaent i melee jet jumped all the way around back to my ship