#Best practice for Claw VPS credentials?
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Recommended pattern is: treat the VPS as a trusted machine, but give it the smallest useful blast radius.
Practical setup I’d use:
- Keep the Gateway private:
gateway.bind: "loopback", then access it over SSH tunnel or Tailscale rather than exposing it publicly. - Put only the creds that the always-on agent truly needs on the VPS. Use separate bot/service accounts where possible, not your personal primary accounts.
- Prefer SecretRefs / env / file / exec-backed secret providers over plaintext config for supported credentials. This avoids secrets sitting directly in
openclaw.json, though the gateway still resolves them in memory at runtime. - Lock down the host: dedicated OS user, tight perms on
~/.openclaw(700dirs /600files), disk encryption if available, no shared shell users. - Assume
~/.openclaw/may contain sensitive data: auth profiles, channel creds, transcripts, logs, sandbox files, etc. Don’t casually back it up or paste raw logs. - Keep redaction enabled (
logging.redactSensitive: "tools", default) and useopenclaw status --allfor shareable diagnostics instead of raw logs. - Split trust boundaries. If one agent/gateway has personal credentials, don’t let random/shared users drive that same tool-enabled agent. Use separate gateways / OS users / hosts for different trust zones.
- For very sensitive actions, keep the actual capability local: VPS agent can ask/notify, but a local node or manual approval performs the risky thing. Approvals are useful guardrails, but not a hard security boundary against someone who already controls the gateway/host.
The uncomfortable but important bit: if Claw needs a credential to act while the laptop is asleep, that credential or a way to fetch it has to be reachable from the VPS somehow. So the real design choice is usually “minimize + isolate + audit”, not “make the VPS unable to ever access secrets.”
Docs worth reading:
https://docs.openclaw.ai/gateway/security
https://docs.openclaw.ai/gateway/secrets
https://docs.openclaw.ai/gateway/remote
Also, since you’re asking how others handle it in practice, #users-helping-users is a good place to get real deployment opinions too.
This makes sense, thanks.
The line that stands out is “for very sensitive actions, keep the actual capability local.” That’s basically the part I’m trying to reason through.
I don’t expect the VPS to be magically untrusted if the agent needs to run there, but I’m trying to avoid putting every sensitive credential directly on the server when the agent only needs to request certain actions.
So the pattern would be:
VPS Claw runs normally → for sensitive capabilities it asks a local node/vault → local side approves/executes if allowed → VPS gets the result.
Seems like the tradeoff is:
more autonomy = more sensitive stuff reachable from VPS
more safety = local machine/approval needs to be involved
Appreciate the detailed breakdown.
Yep, that’s exactly the right mental model.
I’d think of the VPS agent as the planner/coordinator, not necessarily the holder of every capability. For sensitive stuff, the cleaner pattern is:
- VPS has low/medium-risk creds needed for always-on work.
- High-risk creds live behind a narrower interface: local node, vault, service account, approval workflow, or purpose-built helper.
- The local side exposes specific operations, not raw secret access. Example: “send invoice email”, “fetch this one record”, “unlock this deployment”, not “give the agent my full mailbox/API key.”
- The local side can enforce policy independently: allowlist commands, require confirmation, log requests, refuse broad reads, rate-limit, etc.
- VPS only receives the minimum result needed to continue.
The important security distinction is: don’t make the local node a generic remote shell with all your secrets if what you really wanted was a narrow capability gate. Otherwise you’ve just moved the same trust problem sideways.
So yeah: autonomy and safety trade off directly. My preferred default is “VPS for orchestration, local/vault for high-impact capabilities, narrow interfaces first, raw credentials last.” 🦞
That framing helps a lot.
So instead of thinking “remote agent needs access to my sensitive stuff,” the better pattern is:
remote agent coordinates → local/vault side exposes specific approved operations → policy is enforced outside the agent → agent only gets the minimum result back.
And yeah, agreed on not turning the local node into a generic remote shell. That would defeat the purpose.
This gives me a much clearer model for what I should optimize for: narrow operations, scoped access, approval where needed, logs/rate limits, and raw credentials last.
Exactly. That’s the model I’d optimize around.
One extra rule of thumb: design the local/vault side as if the remote agent might make a bad request someday. Not because the agent is malicious, but because prompts, tool output, or compromised accounts can steer it badly. So the sensitive side should be boring and stubborn: validate inputs, allow only known operations, ask when impact is high, and return as little as possible.
If you build it that way, the VPS can stay useful and always-on without becoming the place where every crown jewel lives.
This is exactly the model I’m trying to build around.
I’ve been working on an early local vault/MCP layer called DCP:
remote Claw asks for a capability → local vault checks scope/policy → approval if needed → returns only the minimum result.
The goal isn’t to make the VPS magically trustless. It’s to avoid putting every sensitive credential/personal detail on the server when the agent only needs narrow capabilities.
Still early, but I’d appreciate feedback on whether this boundary makes sense for Claw workflows:
I skimmed the README and packages/dcp-agent/README.md. The boundary makes sense for Claw workflows, yes — especially as an MCP layer where OpenClaw gets capabilities instead of raw credentials.
The big thing I’d watch is making the boundary real, not just aesthetic:
- Prefer narrow tools over generic vault access.
send_email,get_shipping_address_for_vendor,sign_tx_with_policyis much safer than broadvault_read/vault_writeunless those are heavily scoped. - Treat the VPS-side DCP agent as potentially callable by a compromised VPS. So every operation should still be authorized by local policy, not by “the request came from OpenClaw.”
- Approval prompts should be generated from parsed/validated parameters on the vault side, not from model-supplied prose. Otherwise the agent can say “approve harmless thing” while the payload is different.
- Add replay protection: request IDs, expiry windows, nonces, and “approve exactly this canonical payload.”
- Make revocation boring and obvious: revoke paired agent, rotate invite/session keys, expire old invites, show last-used time.
- Log enough locally to audit: agent id, requested capability, normalized params, decision, result summary — but not raw secrets.
- Return minimum viable result. For example: “payment sent, tx id X” instead of returning signing material, full wallet state, or unnecessary personal data.
- Be careful with installer trust.
curl | sudois common, but for a security-sensitive vault bridge I’d also document manual install, checksums/signatures, and exactly what gets installed/modified.
For OpenClaw specifically, this maps nicely to: remote Gateway/VPS orchestrates → DCP MCP exposes scoped tools → local vault enforces policy/approval → OpenClaw gets the answer. I’d probably recommend people put DCP tools on a dedicated agent/profile or explicitly allowlist those MCP tools, rather than mixing them into a giant all-powerful assistant by default.
So: yes, the design direction is solid.
The success/failure point will be whether DCP’s capability surface stays narrow and policy-enforced, or whether it gradually becomes “remote shell for my secrets” with prettier approval screens. Keep it stubborn and boring at the vault boundary and I think it fits Claw really well. 🦞
This is super aligned with how DCP is intended to work.
Local policy is the authority, not the VPS agent. Scopes/approvals/revocation/logging are enforced locally, and the remote side should only get the minimum result needed.
Your point that the boundary needs to be obvious is useful though. I think the docs need to explain this better so it doesn’t look like generic remote vault access.
“narrow capability gate, not remote shell for secrets” is probably the right framing.
Yeah — I’d lead with that exact framing in the docs.
Something like:
DCP is not remote access to your vault. DCP is a local policy boundary that exposes narrow, approved capabilities to agents. The agent can request an operation, but the vault decides whether it is allowed, whether approval is required, and what minimal result is returned.
I’d also make the architecture docs very explicit about the trust split:
- Remote/VPS side: untrusted-ish requester / coordinator
- DCP agent/relay: transport and request wrapper, not authority
- Local vault: policy authority and custody boundary
- User approval surface: confirms exact normalized action
- Result: minimal response, never raw secret by default
And maybe have a “bad pattern / good pattern” section:
Bad: “Agent reads my Gmail token from vault and sends email.”
Good: “Agent requests send_email with recipient/body; local policy validates scope; user approves if needed; vault/service sends it; agent receives success + message id.”
That would prevent people from mentally filing it as “MCP password manager,” which is the dangerous interpretation. The product promise is much stronger if it’s “capability custody,” not “secret retrieval.”
That makes sense.
Can I ask one more practical thing?
From what you’ve seen, what sensitive credentials/capabilities do Claw users actually connect most often?
I’m trying to avoid thinking in vague terms like “API keys.” The useful question is probably:
which real services need separate scopes?
Model providers, channel credentials, Google service accounts, GitHub, Notion/Linear/Jira, email/calendar, DB creds, SSH/deployment, browser/session access, personal info, etc.
Which ones are common enough that they deserve first-class scoped capabilities?
I tried to check memory for prior support patterns, but memory search is unavailable on my side right now, so take this as “docs + observed support shape,” not a hard usage ranking.
If I were designing first-class DCP scopes for Claw, I’d prioritize these:
- Channel credentials / messaging identity
This is the big one because it controls how the agent speaks as you/the bot.
Scopes:
- send message vs read history
- DM vs group/channel
- specific channel/account allowlist
- attachments/media allowed?
- can create threads/events/polls?
- can delete/edit/pin/moderate? usually separate/high-risk
Examples: Discord token, Telegram bot token, Slack bot/app/user tokens, Matrix/Mattermost/Google Chat service account.
- Model/provider credentials
Common, but usually less interesting as a “capability” unless you’re brokering cost/budget.
Scopes:
- provider/model allowlist
- budget ceilings
- no training/data-retention-sensitive providers
- max tokens / max spend / per-agent allowance
Examples: Anthropic/OpenAI/OpenRouter/Gemini/etc. API keys, custom provider headers.
- Email + calendar
Very common “personal assistant” value, and very sensitive.
Scopes:
- read inbox metadata only vs read full message bodies
- search mail vs fetch specific message
- draft vs send
- send only to known contacts/domains
- calendar free/busy vs event details
- create/update/cancel events
- invite external attendees requires approval
This deserves first-class capability design, not raw Gmail/Google token retrieval.
- Browser/session access
This is sneakily one of the highest-risk categories. A logged-in browser profile is effectively a bundle of many credentials.
Scopes:
- isolated browser profile vs personal profile
- site allowlist
- read-only navigation vs form submission
- downloads/uploads
- payments/account settings always require approval
- password manager/browser sync disabled if possible
For remote Claw, browser control should be treated almost like operator access.
- GitHub / source control
Very common for builders.
Scopes:
- read repo/issues only
- comment on issues/PRs
- create branch/PR
- push commits
- merge/release/admin settings = high-risk separate scope
- repo allowlist
I’d avoid one broad GITHUB_TOKEN capability when possible.
- SSH / deployment / shell
High value, high blast radius.
Scopes:
- predefined deploy action, not arbitrary SSH
- service restart allowlist
- read logs allowlist
- environment allowlist: staging vs prod
- no raw secret file reads
- prod deploy/destructive migrations require approval
This is where “narrow capability gate, not remote shell” matters most.
- Databases / internal APIs
Common for serious users, dangerous if exposed raw.
Scopes:
- query templates / stored operations, not arbitrary SQL by default
- read-only vs write
- table/tenant/row filters
- PII redaction
- result-size limits
- destructive writes require approval
- Productivity/SaaS tools: Notion, Linear, Jira
Common enough, medium risk.
Scopes:
- read/search pages/issues
- create/update tasks
- comment only
- workspace/project allowlist
- no bulk export by default
- deletion/admin changes separate
- Personal profile / identity data
This is exactly DCP-shaped.
Scopes:
- specific fields: email, phone, shipping address, legal name, tax info, birthday, emergency info
- purpose-bound access: “use shipping address for this order” instead of “return my address”
- recipient/vendor allowlist
- redact by default
- Wallets/payments/signing
Maybe less common than email/GitHub, but if DCP already targets wallets, it needs first-class policy.
Scopes:
- address lookup is low risk
- sign message vs sign transaction separate
- chain/account allowlist
- spend limits