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chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 9:59 PM

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Fresh macOS install.
OpenClaw version: 2026.4.15
Telegram channel shows ON / OK.
CLI works in a normal terminal.
Problem now is NOT bot token setup, it is agent/model runtime.
What we already found:

one terminal had a bad/stale PATH, but a fresh terminal works
Telegram native approvals caused pairing/scope-upgrade noise
at least one pending scope-upgrade request was approved
direct model smoke test still fails:

openclaw infer model run --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

Result:
incomplete turn detected
⚠️ Agent couldn't generate a response. Please try again.

Next check we were about to do:
ls -l ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md

ebon hearthBOT Apr 18, 2026, 9:59 PM

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hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:02 PM

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Yeah, I’m suspicious of BOOTSTRAP.md here.

openclaw infer model run reuses the normal agent runtime, and BOOTSTRAP.md is supposed to be one-time only. If it’s still sitting in ~/.openclaw/workspace, new runs can get stuck in bootstrap-pending behavior instead of just returning smoke-ok.

Please run these and paste the output:

ls -l ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md
openclaw models status

Then in another terminal:

openclaw logs --follow

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and rerun:

openclaw infer model run --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

If BOOTSTRAP.md exists, that is very likely the next thing to fix. I would rename it out of the way, not delete it yet, then retry the smoke test.

Relevant docs:

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:03 PM

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what if we switch to a different model

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:03 PM

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Yep, that’s a good test, but I’d do it as a one-off override, not by changing the default yet.

openclaw models status
openclaw infer model run --model <provider/model> --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

How to read the result:

alternate model works → this is likely provider/auth/backend specific
alternate model fails with the same incomplete-turn error → this points more at runtime/bootstrap/session state, so BOOTSTRAP.md is still very worth checking
same provider, different model fails the same way → likely not the model itself

So yes, try another configured model, but I would still check:

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ls -l ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md

If you paste openclaw models status plus the result of one alternate-model smoke test, we can narrow it down fast.

Docs:

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:06 PM

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wait so what is the procedure to switch the model

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:06 PM

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For testing, do this:

openclaw models status
openclaw infer model run --model <provider/model> --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

That switches the model for just that one run.

If you want to change the default model for OpenClaw:

openclaw models set <provider/model>
openclaw models status

If you want, paste the output of openclaw models status and I can tell you which exact <provider/model> string to use.

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Docs:

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:10 PM

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🦞 OpenClaw 2026.4.15 (041266a) — Your config is valid, your assumptions are not.

Config : ~/.openclaw/openclaw.json
Agent dir : ~/.openclaw/agents/main/agent
Default : openrouter/anthropic/claude-sonnet-4.6
Fallbacks (0) : -
Image model : -
Image fallbacks (0): -
Aliases (1) : OpenRouter -> openrouter/auto
Configured models (2): openrouter/auto, openrouter/anthropic/claude-sonnet-4.6

Auth overview
Auth store : ~/.openclaw/agents/main/agent/auth-profiles.json
Shell env : off
Providers w/ OAuth/tokens (0): -

openrouter effective=profiles:~/.openclaw/agents/main/agent/auth-profiles.json | profiles=1 (oauth=0, token=0, api_key=1) | openrouter:default=sk-or-v1...f8d98ed1

OAuth/token status

none

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:11 PM

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This helps a lot.

Right now, you only have two configured refs, and both go through OpenRouter:

openrouter/anthropic/claude-sonnet-4.6
openrouter/auto

So yes, you can test the other one with:

openclaw infer model run --model openrouter/auto --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

But that is still the same provider/auth path, so it’s not a strong “different model stack” test.

At this point I’d do these next, in this order:

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ls -l ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md

then:

openclaw logs --follow

and in another terminal rerun:

openclaw infer model run --model openrouter/auto --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

Why: if BOOTSTRAP.md exists, that can poison every fresh run regardless of which configured model ref you use. If it does not exist, then the logs should tell us whether this is:

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OpenRouter/backend behavior
reasoning-only / empty-response retries
some local runtime/session issue

So, short version: yes, test openrouter/auto, but BOOTSTRAP is still the higher-value check here.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:14 PM

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result of first command

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warren@Warrens-Mac-mini ~ % ls -l ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md
-rw-r--r-- 1 warren staff 1471 Apr 18 16:25 /Users/warren/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md
warren@Warrens-Mac-mini ~ %

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:15 PM

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I don’t see the actual output yet.

Please paste the result of:

ls -l ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md

If that file exists, we’re probably onto something. If it says “No such file or directory”, then we move straight to the log-follow step.

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Yep, that’s very likely the culprit.

BOOTSTRAP.md should only be there for a brand new workspace, then disappear after bootstrap completes. If it’s still present, fresh runs can get forced into bootstrap-pending behavior.

I’d do this safe test next, rename it, don’t delete it:

mv ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md.stale
openclaw infer model run --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

If that works, then we found it.

After that, restart the gateway before testing Telegram again:

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openclaw gateway restart

If the smoke test still fails even after renaming, then immediately do:

openclaw logs --follow

and rerun the smoke test once more.

Docs:

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:17 PM

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warren@Warrens-Mac-mini ~ % ls -l ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md
-rw-r--r-- 1 warren staff 1471 Apr 18 16:25 /Users/warren/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:17 PM

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Yep, that confirms it.

Next step:

mv ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md.stale
openclaw infer model run --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

If that returns smoke-ok, restart the gateway and test Telegram again:

openclaw gateway restart

Paste the smoke-test result after the rename.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:20 PM

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thisis what came back in the terminal

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:20 PM

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I still don’t see the command output itself.

Please paste the exact result of:

mv ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md.stale
openclaw infer model run --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

Even just a screenshot or raw terminal text is fine. The next step depends on whether it now says smoke-ok or still throws the incomplete-turn error.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:22 PM

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well I have the gui openclaw control panel open. in there is says smoke OK

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:22 PM

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Perfect, that’s the big clue.

If Control/UI now shows smoke OK, then the model runtime is fine and the stale BOOTSTRAP.md was very likely the blocker. Nice catch.

Next steps:

openclaw gateway restart

Then send a fresh Telegram test message.

So the situation now looks like:

agent/model runtime: working
root cause of the smoke-test failure: stale ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md
next thing to verify: end-to-end Telegram reply path after restart

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Also, leave BOOTSTRAP.md moved aside, don’t put it back.

If Telegram still fails after restart, we’ve narrowed it down a lot, it’s no longer the model/runtime path.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:23 PM

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I really thing we shoul switch to a new bot

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:24 PM

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I wouldn’t switch to a new bot yet.

We just got a strong signal that the real breakage was the stale BOOTSTRAP.md, not the model stack. Swapping bots right now adds another variable and can muddy the waters.

My recommendation:

keep BOOTSTRAP.md moved aside
openclaw gateway restart
send a fresh Telegram test
only if Telegram still fails, check logs and then consider bot re-setup as a last resort

So, short version: not yet. We finally have the model/runtime path looking sane, I’d verify the current bot first.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:25 PM

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telegram still says: Agent couldn't generate a response. Please try again.

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:26 PM

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Okay, that’s actually useful.

If the Control/UI smoke works but Telegram still gets Agent couldn't generate a response, then the base model runtime is probably fine now, and we’re down to Telegram session state / route-specific history / logs.

I’d do this next:

openclaw gateway restart
ls -l ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md ~/.openclaw/workspace/BOOTSTRAP.md.stale
openclaw logs --follow

Then in Telegram:

send /new
send a tiny test like: Reply with exactly: tg-smoke-ok

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Why /new: the old Telegram session may still be carrying bad state from before the bootstrap fix.

If it still fails after /new, paste the log lines that appear right when you send that Telegram test. That should finally tell us whether this is:

stale Telegram session/transcript state
pairing/scope noise
or another per-channel runtime path

We’re closer now. The failure is narrower than it was.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:28 PM

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did the above and still: Agent couldn't generate a response. Please try again.

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:28 PM

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Got it. We’re past the guessing stage, we need the logs now.

Please do exactly this:

openclaw logs --follow

Then send one fresh Telegram test message, and paste the 20-40 log lines that appear right after the failure.

If the log stream is noisy, paste the lines containing any of these:

telegram
incomplete turn
reasoning-only
empty response
pairing

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scope
error

At this point the raw log output is the only thing that will tell us whether this is:

a Telegram-specific route/session problem
an auth/scope issue
or the model returning a bad/empty turn only on the Telegram path

Paste those lines and we can stop poking in the dark.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:31 PM

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22:31:19+00:00 warn agent/embedded {"subsystem":"agent/embedded"} incomplete turn detected: runId=babcc986-ce57-42d6-a4c1-150d3d1046b3 sessionId=47579fd7-df5a-467e-8b8b-aee4ffdee5cf stopReason=stop payloads=0 — surfacing error to user
22:31:20+00:00 info gateway/channels/telegram {"subsystem":"gateway/channels/telegram"} telegram sendMessage ok chat=8603700526 message=61

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:32 PM

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Nice, this narrows it a lot.

That log means:

Telegram transport is fine (telegram sendMessage ok)
the agent run ended normally (stopReason=stop)
but the model produced zero visible reply text (payloads=0)

So this is not a bot-token problem. It looks like an empty-response / reasoning-only model turn on the Telegram path.

Two next steps, I’d do both:

1) Quick workaround test

Since your only configured refs are OpenRouter ones, try the other ref as default:

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openclaw models set openrouter/auto
openclaw gateway restart

Then in Telegram:

send /new
send a tiny test message

2) Get the real cause from logs

We need the lines before that warning, not just the final summary.

Please run:

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openclaw logs | grep -C 8 'babcc986-ce57-42d6-a4c1-150d3d1046b3'

If that shows nothing, use:

openclaw logs | grep -C 8 '47579fd7-df5a-467e-8b8b-aee4ffdee5cf'

I’m specifically looking for lines like:

empty response detected
reasoning-only assistant turn detected
provider=...

Paste that output, because that should tell us whether the model is silently returning nothing, or OpenClaw is retrying and exhausting the reply.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:36 PM

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2026-04-18T22:27:17.291Z info gateway/channels/telegram {"subsystem":"gateway/channels/telegram"} telegram sendMessage ok chat=8603700526 message=55
2026-04-18T22:30:17.937Z warn agent/embedded {"subsystem":"agent/embedded"} incomplete turn detected: runId=d314b421-663d-4c98-89ea-ca423558eec5 sessionId=47579fd7-df5a-467e-8b8b-aee4ffdee5cf stopReason=stop payloads=0 — surfacing error to user
2026-04-18T22:30:18.351Z info gateway/channels/telegram {"subsystem":"gateway/channels/telegram"} telegram sendMessage ok chat=8603700526 message=57
2026-04-18T22:30:52.736Z warn agent/embedded {"subsystem":"agent/embedded"} incomplete turn detected: runId=93970874-564b-445d-8417-e797774c6d96 sessionId=47579fd7-df5a-467e-8b8b-aee4ffdee5cf stopReason=stop payloads=0 — surfacing error to user
2026-04-18T22:30:53.159Z info gateway/channels/telegram {"subsystem":"gateway/channels/telegram"} telegram sendMessage ok chat=8603700526 message=59
2026-04-18T22:31:19.791Z warn agent/embedded {"subsystem":"agent/embedded"} incomplete turn detected: runId=babcc986-ce57-42d6-a4c1-150d3d1046b3 sessionId=47579fd7-df5a-467e-8b8b-aee4ffdee5cf stopReason=stop payloads=0 — surfacing error to user
20d

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:37 PM

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Those lines confirm the symptom, but not the cause.

Right now we only know:

Telegram is delivering fine
the run ends with stop
the model returns no visible text

Your current log level is too low to show the why. I’d temporarily turn on debug file logs:

openclaw config set logging.level debug
openclaw gateway restart
openclaw logs --follow

Then send one Telegram test message and paste the lines that appear before the incomplete turn detected warning.

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Afterward, you can turn logging back down:

openclaw config set logging.level info
openclaw gateway restart

If you want a quick workaround while debugging, you can also try:

openclaw models set openrouter/auto
openclaw gateway restart

But the big next step is definitely debug logs. Right now the transport looks healthy, the hidden part is the model/runtime decision just before the empty turn.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:38 PM

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we have been at this for 3 hrs. How about i uninstall and start over. I still dont understan why tis is happening. every time even afer complete wipes and reinstalls. many times.

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:39 PM

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Yeah, after 3 hours, I get it. That’s exhausting.

My honest take: don’t do another blind uninstall/reinstall of the app. I think the thing surviving your reinstalls is state in ~/.openclaw, not the binary itself.

That would explain why the same weirdness keeps coming back, especially since we already caught a stale BOOTSTRAP.md.

My recommendation: true clean slate, but keep a backup

openclaw gateway stop
mv ~/.openclaw ~/.openclaw.backup-$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S)
openclaw onboard --install-daemon

Why this instead of uninstalling:

reinstalling the package often does not wipe ~/.openclaw

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~/.openclaw holds the config, auth, sessions, workspace, and bootstrap files
moving it aside is reversible, unlike deleting it

This will mean redoing onboarding/auth, but it’s the first reset that actually matches “start over.”

If you want the nuclear option

You can also reinstall the package after that, but I honestly don’t think that is the important part here. The important part is getting rid of the old state directory.

So my vote is:

stop gateway
move ~/.openclaw aside
onboard fresh
test before layering lots of extra config back in

Docs:

https://docs.openclaw.ai/help/faq

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If you do this and it finally works, please don’t delete the backup yet. That gives us something to diff later if needed.

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:41 PM

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Nah I want to wipe the entire machine and start over fresh. Do I need to give myself root after the wipe.

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:43 PM

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No, don’t give yourself root.

If you wipe the Mac and start fresh, use a normal admin user on macOS, then use sudo only when an installer actually asks for it. OpenClaw itself should run as your normal user, not as root.

What I’d do after a wipe:

create a normal admin account
install Node 22+ and pnpm
install OpenClaw
run openclaw onboard --install-daemon
test before restoring old dotfiles, shell config, or ~/.openclaw

That last part matters a lot. If you restore your old home-dir stuff too early, you can bring the problem right back.

So the short answer is:

root user: no

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normal admin account: yes
run OpenClaw as root: no

The service on macOS is normally a per-user LaunchAgent, not a root daemon. https://docs.openclaw.ai/help/faq

chrome wagon Apr 18, 2026, 10:44 PM

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Nope I'm going to start 100 percent fresh and restore nothing

hot tigerBOT Apr 18, 2026, 10:45 PM

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Honestly, fair enough. I’d probably do the same at that point.

If you go 100% fresh, restore nothing, I’d keep the bring-up order super minimal:

install Node 22+
install pnpm
install OpenClaw
run openclaw onboard --install-daemon
before adding Telegram, test:

openclaw --version
openclaw status
openclaw infer model run --prompt "Reply with exactly: smoke-ok" --json

That way you prove the core runtime first, before any channel config muddies it.

#still needing help after install openclaw still not working

1) Quick workaround test

2) Get the real cause from logs

My recommendation: true clean slate, but keep a backup

If you want the nuclear option