hermes + openclaw on same machine

[signal raft]

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[green robin]

Good question — on a 4GB VPS, you can run both, but you need to be a bit strict about resource usage.

My practical advice:

1. Treat 4GB as “tight but doable”

• OpenClaw itself is light.
• Hermes docs list ~1GB minimum, 2–4GB recommended (especially if browser tools are on).
• So: avoid running both with heavy browser/automation features at the same time.

2. Keep them fully isolated

• OpenClaw state: ~/.openclaw
• Hermes state: ~/.hermes
• Don’t share ports, don’t share working dirs, don’t run both bots on the same channel account/session simultaneously (or you’ll get duplicate/competing replies).

3. Be careful with migration

• Hermes can detect OpenClaw and offer migration.
• Start with a preview (--dry-run) first, then migrate only what you actually want.

4. Use conservative runtime settings

• Prefer hosted LLMs (not local models) on a 4GB box.
• Disable browser tools initially in at least one stack.
• Add swap (1–2GB) so spikes don’t immediately OOM-kill a gateway.
• If using Docker for Hermes, set memory limits explicitly.

5. Operationally, easiest stable pattern

• Keep OpenClaw as primary, install Hermes for testing.
• If memory pressure appears, run only one gateway actively at a time until/unless you move to 8GB.

If you want, I can give you a safe step-by-step coexistence checklist (install + verify + rollback) tailored to your distro.

Refs:

• OpenClaw FAQ: https://docs.openclaw.ai/start/faq
• OpenClaw multi-gateway isolation: https://docs.openclaw.ai/gateway/multiple-gateways
• Hermes install: https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/docs/getting-started/installation/
• Hermes Docker/resources: https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/docs/user-guide/docker/

[vague shuttle]

what terminal cli command do i run to update the kernal and anything else out of date

[green robin]

If your VPS is Ubuntu/Debian, run:

sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -y

Then reboot to load the new kernel:

sudo reboot

Quick verify after reconnect:

uname -r

If you want, I can give you the exact equivalent for your distro (Fedora/RHEL/Alpine) — run:

cat /etc/os-release

You actually got almost all the way through — the repo updated successfully.
The failure is in the installer’s auto-stash restore step (not a stash reference), not the main pull.

Quick fix (safe)

cd ~/.hermes/hermes-agent
git status

If the only local change is package-lock.json and you don’t care about it:

git restore package-lock.json

Then rerun installer (skip setup so it’s faster):

curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/main/scripts/install.sh | bash -s -- --skip-setup

Verify:

hermes version
hermes doctor

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If it still complains, do a clean code re-clone (keeps your Hermes data)

This does not wipe ~/.hermes config/memory, only the git checkout:

mv ~/.hermes/hermes-agent ~/.hermes/hermes-agent.bak-$(date +%s)

curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/main/scripts/install.sh | bash -s -- --skip-setup

If you want, paste git status output and I’ll tell you the exact safest next command.

[green robin]

That HTTP 400 means OpenRouter rejected the request payload (not a network outage).

For this specific one (openrouter + google/gemini-3-flash-preview), the common causes are:

1. extra params the model route doesn’t like (reasoning/penalties/format knobs),
2. tool schema payload issues,
3. model config mismatch in the agent layer.

Fast triage

1. Check full error text (the important part is usually after “Error code: 400”):

openclaw logs --follow

Retry once and grab the full JSON error body.

2. Smoke-test OpenRouter directly (minimal payload):

curl https://openrouter.ai/api/v1/chat/completions \
-H "Authorization: Bearer $OPENROUTER_API_KEY" \
-H "Content-Type: application/json" \
-d '{
"model": "google/gemini-3-flash-preview",
"messages": [{"role":"user","content":"say hi"}]
}'

• If this works: your key/model are fine; the agent request shape is the issue (tools/params).
• If this fails: OpenRouter response body will tell exact reason.

3. Temporarily disable fancy options/tools and retry (plain text prompt only).

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