i agree
#guild_community
tribal marten
jovial stirrup
how tf can a person click trees for like 5 years
potent ibex
I haven't done any professions
tribal marten
its a good question tbh,
jovial stirrup
and then go click stones for another 10 years
tribal marten
and the answer is
warm pine
Sorry ice but it's not a strategy at all, the system actually in place is really dumb and too grindy for the outcome
tribal marten
vc with friends
sage granite
"ah yes. my guild has more of our banners. we are so cool."
we are just watching digital numbers go up like every other aspect of wynncraft
jovial stirrup
exactly
ornate flint
I played Wynn for 6 years without any vc with friends lol
potent ibex
Also war count is dumb and degraded because there has been like no use under those wars. There hasn't been legitimate action or anything that was reason/guild politics driven in the past year. All of it has been brain dead warring free for alls within an alliance.
tribal marten
lmao war count
sage granite
i require an invitation to join the guild 'AVO' in the form of a minecraft command, in the purpose that i may partake in these 'wars' so that i am able to increase my warcount and in doing so i can pursue my goal to get on the player leaderboard for warcount, which was my original goal of joining the guild 'AVO', so please humor my request by letting me in.
tribal marten
ah yes that number you can only see on a bot and only other turboo virgin guild tryhards care about
ornate flint
Yes, let the hate flow through you
tribal marten
anyways. hopefully guilds are better in 1.20
potent ibex
Well there is really no purpose in a war if there was nothing driving it, like a reason for it in the bigger picture called guild politics
ornate flint
6 month beta testing ftw
winter island
guild politics
qq for president
potent ibex
If it doesn't contribute to the guild political climate, it has no drive
tribal marten
surely you can find something better to roleplay over
winter island
guys vote qq for president
potent ibex
Anyways the new update will surely give a rebirth to guilds
tribal marten
yep
potent ibex
After many years, guilds are getting a rework
half musk
lunch is over
ornate flint
I want to see some sly deals and some broken alliances
potent ibex
It will be a lot more strategic now 😍
winter island
they should make alliances bannable
jovial stirrup
the new update is fucking poggers
tribal marten
im just going to harness the power of fishe
jovial stirrup
they fixed everything all at once
winter island
no but
ornate flint
Oh yeah guilds are getting a new rank called strategist
potent ibex
Personally I do not like when staff intervene in guild affairs.
tribal marten
you can only add so many guilds as aally
winter island
because alliances means its dull
tribal marten
lmfao ice
half musk
?
sage granite
e
winter island
when do staff intervene in guild affair
sage granite
the whole world is in an alliance right now?
tribal marten
send link
winter island
the whole world is in an alliance right now?
@sage granite yes
sage granite
and you call it dull
tribal marten
wtf yes
sage granite
well its cause its bound to happen
potent ibex
Well, staff have done a great job essentially keeping out
half musk
but like :/
sage granite
are you saying you want ww3
tribal marten
yes?
half musk
if you want competition just attack someone?
tribal marten
just attack them pepega
sage granite
yep
ornate flint
I wanna yeet some guilds off the map
potent ibex
Well, in this political climate it is not that simple. Everyone on the map is allied, if you attack one guild, it becomes EVERYONE'S problem
half musk
brug then leave the alliance
warm knoll
guys whats the oldest claim on map rn
warm knoll
path to ozoth's spire is at like 73 days
tribal marten
political climate my ass
sage granite
mountain edge ano at 96d
half musk
you think you can keep any terrs without allies???
potent ibex
Post-Federation days were the golden times. Alliances were at a minimal, and third parties were pretty separate. Everyone had their own foreign affairs.
tribal marten
it's like sixth graders in a classroom saying "hey wanna be friends?" "sure
winter island
which means the only way to survive is to stay in the alliance
ornate flint
Political climate can eat a butt
potent ibex
You can keep territories without allies, however with the current guild climate, no.
ornate flint
At least with guilds
potent ibex
Right now one alliance has complete control over the map, all guilds on the map are allied.
jovial stirrup
hero beta when
tribal marten
but why would you want to do guild wars lmfao
tribal marten
hb guilds will either be rly fun or rly unfunn
ornate flint
New system good
tribal marten
hoopefully guild wars are less of a snooze fest
jovial stirrup
hopefully they are what war should be
ornate flint
Not champion
potent ibex
I would honestly say mega alliances benefit the small guild. People argue that it makes it impossible for small guilds and it is just to help the larger guilds -
In an actual competitive climate, small guilds would be at a loss. Mega alliances have typically always catered to small guilds as well and gave them a shot and a voice, and you see more established guilds take a cut because mega alliances are typically democratic and not competitive.
tribal marten
i feel like guild wars atm only get done because other people do them
ornate flint
Apparently you don’t even need to war to weaken a guild tho
tribal marten
yea just tax the shit out of them
half musk
examples: taq and inx
jovial stirrup
please tell me you arent saying mega alliances are a good thing
tribal marten
who and who
half musk
it's true tho, as a small guidl your war team will always be significantly weaker than competitors
winter island
inx is bast's guild
ornate forge
artemis def helped eden lel
sage granite
inx is flora's guild taq is new art guild
potent ibex
Okay, so I'm actually not for adding more territories by any standard.
The map is already not competitive, adding more territories only further inflates xp and simultaneously makes less competition as there are more resources :/
half musk
an alliance puts you on the map
strange sundial
Smaller guilds could be on the map if bigger guild aren't to greedy
potent ibex
However tbh, this update won't help with the matter of keeping third parties out of individual affairs. Taxes, trade routes, and borders will now make everyone a participants in every map affair.
winter island
wtf taxes
tribal marten
ez no trae rooute
winter island
taxes wtf
jovial stirrup
you guys do realise the whole problem rn is that no one is greedy anymore and everyone become all cuddly cuddly and friends
winter island
^
half musk
?
jovial stirrup
that is the reason there has been a mega alliance for like a year
winter island
^
jovial stirrup
and the map hasnt changed at all
sage granite
sanctum died
potent ibex
Also mega alliances can still exist, the ally slots are only for exclusive tax rates on certain guilds.
potent ibex
As far as I'm aware
half musk
it's guaranteed communal growth
plucky cedar
I would honestly say mega alliances benefit the small guild. People argue that it makes it impossible for small guilds and it is just to help the larger guilds -
In an actual competitive climate, small guilds would be at a loss. Mega alliances have typically always catered to small guilds as well and gave them a shot and a voice, and you see more established guilds take a cut because mega alliances are typically democratic and not competitive.
what guild is a small guild in Artemis?
winter island
lmao no
half musk
why would people want to leave
half musk
taq is
tribal marten
why would people want to do guildss
jovial stirrup
taq is small?
ornate forge
eden joined artemis when we were like lvl 30 lmao
half musk
yes
jovial stirrup
they had 17 members online yesterday
potent ibex
Artemis has taken in a lot of small guilds, in which have grown since their arrival.
jovial stirrup
yes to avoid conflict
winter island
mega alliances suck
potent ibex
With Federation, there were tons of small guilds throughout its course
jovial stirrup
cuz again
plucky cedar
you could say. Helped small guilds. not helping
potent ibex
Hey look guys I'm not a fan of mega alliances either
jovial stirrup
they literally killed guild politics
narrow thunder
Didn’t federation exist to get rid of a different alliance?
maiden umbra
No ice is right
winter island
is bc nobody wants to war
@tribal marten yep because war is boring and sucks
tribal marten
yep
maiden umbra
Mega alliances are 100% better for smaller guilds than a competitive environment
tribal marten
that's why the alliance has not chaanged
winter island
if warring was actually fun i think mega alliance wouldnt me as big of a problem
jovial stirrup
maybe they are better for like 3 or 5 small guilds
tiny sequoia
aye does anyone know if consumables will be gone in wars?
jovial stirrup
but all the rest you dont hear about cuz they stay fucking small
narrow thunder
I think a 1v1 is better odds than a 12v1 but maybe that’s just me
tiny sequoia
nice
winter island
rip
potent ibex
Well mega alliances are not in place because everyone does not want to war.
If you look at the events that lead up to a mega alliance, typically there is a scare followed by a rush. People will then flock to the alliance for mutual protection, and then a mega alliance has formed.
tiny sequoia
why rip :v
tiny sequoia
they were broken as hell
maiden umbra
The only new guilds that thrived during the period after federation died was TGR and ILQ, which had to cuddle up to the most powerful guild on the map, Fox to even get 40 million exp
maiden umbra
So mega alliances are much better
potent ibex
I don't think either are ideal, but realistically, the map is suppose to be competitive.
Mega alliances in my opinion definitely favor the smaller guild versus a competitive environment that would cater to the established.
jovial stirrup
cath has literally said there is a mega alliance rn bcz nobody wants to war
maiden umbra
40 million exp is a tiny amount actually
maiden umbra
Because I’ve been in the guild game for 3 years
winter island
40 million xp is like a few minutes in bulb
jovial stirrup
who tf cares about the small guilds when the whole guild system is unfun
tribal marten
hopefully guild wars are not a snooze fest
limber river
ornate forge
lul
jovial stirrup
its so dumb
half musk
I don't understand what's the fun part that you want
tribal marten
remove them
ornate forge
competition
half musk
if it's war just go war no one will stop you
potent ibex
In a competitive environment, established guilds can have a much larger monopoly on the map. In mega alliances, everyone is kept in check and because it is a democratic process, smaller guilds have an equal say in the map.
potent ibex
I'm not a fan of mega alliances btw
jovial stirrup
the fucking mega alliance
tribal marten
lmfao
jovial stirrup
that has all the strongest guilds
winter island
if it's war just go war no one will stop you
@half musk if you go war on alliance, which is literally everyone rn, then the alliance attacks you and you lose all your claim and xp
sage granite
linny its just mindless repetitive grinding just like profs and li runs and itll get changed
limber river
the good ol complain about mega alliances in the meg alliance
half musk
ok but in a competitive map you have nothing
potent ibex
^
tribal marten
ye p
winter island
yeah ban alliances
potent ibex
In a competitive map, it allows for more established guilds to achieve an even greater monopoly
visual haven
lmao if they keep the way territories work you have to do hundreds upon thousands of wars to keep the good territories
jovial stirrup
okay imagine you have 10 guilds from 1-10... 1 being the strongest and 10 weakest... 1-5 form an allaince and 6-10 form an alliance
who wins
maiden umbra
Suggestion: if you want to make guilds fun, don’t focus on warring. Wynn in comparison to other rpgs as to what they do with guilds fucking sucks, make alternative more friendly ways to level up, the warring community should always stay a niche competitive environment
visual haven
no way they have the talent to make something fun hundreds of thousands of times
half musk
like a guild that wants to war every now and then is always gonna be trumped by established guilds with dedicated 24/7 war teams
maiden umbra
^
limber river
the point of update is too change that
maiden umbra
the point of update is too change that
@limber river the issue is it won’t
jovial stirrup
you need more than one alliance u pepega
limber river
god yall play right into the meme of guild updates will complain about every update
half musk
a guild with 3 people shouldn't be able to take out a guild with 20 active warrers
tribal marten
lmfao
maiden umbra
Well I mean yea
jovial stirrup
if there are 4-5 alliances on the map that would be great
winter island
ban alliances
jovial stirrup
NOW THERE IS ONE
potent ibex
I'm personally not a fan of mega alliances because it isn't competitive, and really it does favor the newer guild. It is democratic, each guild has equal say in the map, thus the smaller guilds have a say in the map and other's claims.
winter island
just ban alliances
maiden umbra
But unless wynn puts a territory cap then people will still find a way to hold the entire map as one alliance
tribal marten
ok see hopefully the territory system is good enough that the big guilds cannot expand much
potent ibex
I believe smaller guilds most definitely benefit more from a mega alliance than a competitive environment.
limber river
oolong the point is that they want people who dont have 24/7 war teams to enjoy the game
or enjoy the guild aspect
jovial stirrup
I'm personally not a fan of mega alliances because it isn't competitive, and really it does favor the newer guild. It is democratic, each guild has equal say in the map, thus the smaller guilds have a say in the map and other's claims.
@potent ibex do you think all smaller guilds got in the mega alliance, you are just looking at the 2 or 3 that did
half musk
ok you can still enjoy it! go war! again no one will stop you
limber river
lmao avo be like
tribal marten
lmao
winter island
avo had 80 terrs yesterday
maiden umbra
That’s the issue warring shouldn’t be considered the main point of the guild aspect it should be a niche competitive environment that’s optional to leveling a guild
winter island
they are on crack
ornate forge
who wars for enjoyment tho lol
tribal marten
nobody
potent ibex
Yes, many small guilds have been let into mega alliances, I've been present in all of them in the past like 4 years
sage granite
^
jovial stirrup
ok you can still enjoy it! go war! again no one will stop you
@half musk you cant they removed the strategic part with mega alliance, no moere fun
maiden umbra
Warring is a nice pastime
tribal marten
uh
potent ibex
Many of the established guilds today, including my own, got their start in a mega alliance with the mutual support of other guilds.
earnest vine
you can enjoy wars because you talk to your guildmates, it's not the war itself
tribal marten
your statement is flawed
limber river
so what is your guys solution oolong
potent ibex
Elaborate
tribal marten
limber river
keep wars boring?
tribal marten
maiden umbra
Ye
limber river
im shocked yall really complaining about this
potent ibex
How is that flawed?
tribal marten
what
visual haven
I'd say just add in personal rewards to warring
tribal marten
¯_(ツ)_/¯
visual haven
give like gear or some shit to people with certain amounts of wars
maiden umbra
Small guilds being present in mega alliances doesn’t mean large guilds can’t be? Mega alliances support teamwork
jovial stirrup
it doesnt fucking matter if small guilds benefit, mega alliances ruin the fun.. therefore they should be gone
maiden umbra
It’s not flawed at all
limber river
but why have mega alliances when you can have smaller alliances
visual haven
they can't keep wars fun for how often you'd have to do them
jovial stirrup
It’s not flawed at all
@maiden umbra bruh the whole map is one big team
limber river
mega alliances arent there for teamwork or shit, they are there since people dont want to war
jovial stirrup
i really like how it has changed a lot over the past 6 months
limber river
why do people not want to war? because its boring
tribal marten
me too
potent ibex
No one is disagreeing with you. I am not for mega alliances by any standard, I'm just saying that smaller guilds benefit more from mega alliances than from a competitive environment contrary to popular belief
limber river
theres a lot of small guilds who dont have access to mega alliances
half musk
so did lxa
jovial stirrup
how many guilds have we never heard of ?
potent ibex
If you look at many of the established guilds today, they got their start from a mega alliance that offered mutual support.
ornate forge
eden
jovial stirrup
A BAZILLION
maiden umbra
@jovial stirrup wars should not be the only way to have fun in a guild, it’s Wynn’s fault for not having that. I’ve been saying this for atleast a year that warring shouldn’t be the main point of guilds
jovial stirrup
even if it isnt the main point
plucky cedar
why do people not want to war? because its boring
@limber river boring because FFAs are boring
potent ibex
Seriously, look at many of the guilds around today, they got their start from a mega alliance where support was offered
half musk
if you want to become established and compete on the map, you're gonna have to put time and effort into it
plucky cedar
and not worth it
potent ibex
I agree
limber river
i dont see why making wars more interesting, guilds more strategic, and territories more relevant is something bad
but ofc artemis got issues with that lmaoo
half musk
as long as it doesn't discredit the time and effort put into established guilds then im all for it
plucky cedar
lets be honest here. FFAs are almost useless for big guilds
jovial stirrup
anyways im losing brain cells, i hope in the update its impossible for mega allainces to exist and everybody returns to being greedy barbarians
sage granite
but ofc artemis got issues with that lmaoo
what
tribal marten
yep
maiden umbra
It shouldn’t but the reason why it does is because in the light of a competitive environment people want to last as long as possible and will stick to people they know can carry them through it
half musk
bulb moment
limber river
"time and effort" i just grinded 700mil in glowbulb in 3 hours
ornate forge
lmao
potent ibex
they fucked over years of effort
winter island
"time and effort" i just grinded 700mil in glowbulb in 3 hours
@limber river wtf
jovial stirrup
3 hours damn
visual haven
only 700 mil??
tribal marten
lmfao
jovial stirrup
lONG time
maiden umbra
That’s what ice means by invalidating years of work
maiden umbra
At this point level is completely fucking useless
tribal marten
so why play guilds
jovial stirrup
fRENDS
maiden umbra
Because you can get to 51 in less than a day
potent ibex
Not only glowbulb, but do y'all realize that territory xp was never consistent? I wish they would have just set territory values instead of making it player dependent.
What I hate most is that they have added even more territories which have inflated the amount of xp - yet it simutaneously decreased competition??
Some of the greatest guilds to ever exist are only level 50 and they existed in a guild climate where only Wynn province had territories.
half musk
ok this argument for 'why play guilds' contributes absolutely nothing, just accept everyone here is committed to guilds and wants to it be better
maiden umbra
Because some people enjoy it and because guilds have created something that extends beyond just Wynncraft @tribal marten
limber river
oolong you seem to think wars are great as they are
potent ibex
The level leaderboard is completely invalidated
maiden umbra
^
tiny sequoia
wait someone thinks that wars are even acceptable rn 👀 ?
tribal marten
i think they are making it much easier to get xp and emeralds in 1.20 anyways ice
limber river
it was invalidated when hax used alt warring, or when tnl war glitched with lava lake
maiden umbra
Not Exp
tribal marten
from the emerald bank/levels
half musk
i fucking hate wars but i think a mega alliance is a natural response to an environment like this
tribal marten
yeah that's probably true
tiny sequoia
^
maiden umbra
Xp is not affected by trade routes
jovial stirrup
guilds are just complete utter trash rn because of a bazillion reasons lets hope they fix it
tribal marten
because nobody wants to war, mega alliance
limber river
yes to this environement it is, but the next one they hopefully shouldnt
tiny sequoia
Oolong spits straight facts
potent ibex
Best thread ever created - https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/are-you-fucking-kidding-me.270995/
👏
maiden umbra
Oolong speaking truth
half musk
sure! but the competitive map will just make it harder for small guild to establish themselves
limber river
will it though? if its hard to hold big areas then small guild just take the bad stuff
establish themselves there
potent ibex
I am not for mega alliances, but contrary to popular belief, mega alliances favor the smaller guild rather than in a competitive environment
half musk
yeah ok it'll be more fun when there's not 20 guilds vs 1, I agree but at least now you have to option to join the 20 guidls and they'll help you grow
potent ibex
The map isn't about to be about fairness and equality - it is a competitive map.
tribal marten
ice you keep repeating that but i really dont see how it is true. smaller guilds need to have 24/7 activity to keep territories if they are not in an alliance
potent ibex
Exactly my point as to why alliances benefit the smaller guild
tribal marten
yes it would be cool to have another alliance
potent ibex
Because mega alliances block anyone outside from owning anything
It is either join or die
tribal marten
yes
potent ibex
I'm not saying mega alliances are good by any standard, they plague the guild climate
tribal marten
right that is the problem
jovial stirrup
my brain is going to die soon
potent ibex
Its dumb, I'm stopped playing Wynn because there is no war content atm
jovial stirrup
cyall
tribal marten
war content?????
ornate forge
pce
potent ibex
Yes
nocturne valve
e
maiden umbra
Wars are boring basically
sage granite
its getting fixed next update why are you still arguing current guild system bad
potent ibex
Right now we have a mega alliance with like no opposition, so there is absolutely no war content that is essential.
limber river
because some monkeys saying "lets make a new mega alliance with newupdate
sage granite
what where
maiden umbra
because some monkeys saying "lets make a new mega alliance with newupdate
@limber river Rene discord
tribal marten
there is actually a discord against that happening
potent ibex
No one is making a mega alliance with the new update. The only one that would potentially be around is Artemis which already exists, and I doubt.
limber river
i think artemis will go into hestia nifl and valk, taq and phi die
sage granite
i doubt artemis will survive 1.20
hazy bloom
They just should restrict having more than 5 guilds in 1 alliance
limber river
ingo i think ingame they will
potent ibex
Artemis is made up of different, individual alliances. We will have to see.
ornate forge
yeah but that only stops in game
potent ibex
Also that isn't fair for you to say that about Phi or Taq smh
tribal marten
i think htat it would be optimal if big guilds could not safely expaand after a certain point
limber river
dont tell me phi is active ice
potent ibex
dayum
limber river
theyve been dead for months
maiden umbra
They just should restrict having more than 5 guilds in 1 alliance
@hazy bloom that doesn’t matter you don’t need to be allied ingame to have an alliances in discord, that’s the way it’s been going for the past 5 years
limber river
they have 1 captain who reclaims
nocturne valve
mhm
potent ibex
Well community & war activity are different. I think guilds are too war-focused and there has to be more insight on the community side of things.
maiden umbra
^
ornate forge
phi w/o oolong and pogge is kinda bruh
tribal marten
there aare quiite a few community guilds?
cloud pier
lev i will kiss u
maiden umbra
There are but wynn doesn’t support community as much as it supports war
potent ibex
Well, I would hope that all war guilds are also community guilds
ornate forge
<3
maiden umbra
Which breeds a toxic environment
nocturne valve
;o
potent ibex
War relations should never get in the way of community relations. Firm separation is needed.
tribal marten
no need for waar
solid sandal
wise words
maiden umbra
@tribal marten if you Glowbulb once every day as a guild, after a while will you have fun?
Will that always be fun?
potent ibex
Well it is true that glowbulb completely invalidated years of holding territories - like why even hold territories if you can make astronomically more by bulbing?
tribal marten
wdym?
potent ibex
But they nerfed it thank goodness
maiden umbra
Will doing the same thing over and over again be fine?
tribal marten
i mean that you only need to grind glowbulb for member slots.
solid sandal
oh come on now guys
no glowbulb cave argument in here
maiden umbra
Would it be fun?
limber river
thats why i thin kresources will be instrumental
winter island
oh come on now guys
no glowbulb cave argument in here
@solid sandal yeah but its a valid argument
maiden umbra
That’s the issue with wars and the community side right now
winter island
smh
nocturne valve
doing the same thing over and over again gets really boring
limber river
all territories become relevant with resources
maiden umbra
all territories become relevant with resources
@limber river tf will worm tunnel produce
nocturne valve
just like what happened with wars for me. Enjoyed warring for a bit then it just got boring
tribal marten
yep
limber river
whatever is assigned to it
warm knoll
@limber river tf will worm tunnel produce
@maiden umbra my children
tribal marten
yes
sage granite
seeing as people have 1690 total and a bank page full of le some people would probably do it
potent ibex
How guilds function and the entire war feature is being entirely reworked. It will require patience. We will have to see where it takes us.
shut perch
@maiden umbra dwic said all terrs even worm tunnel will produce something
half musk
yes finally we rid the world of ffas
warm knoll
Dwicey leaking 
limber river
yeah territory production doesnt equal prof spots
warm knoll
me when salted takes worm tunnel from me for the 5th day in a row
hazy bloom
@hazy bloom that doesn’t matter you don’t need to be allied ingame to have an alliances in discord, that’s the way it’s been going for the past 5 years
@maiden umbramods could have spy alt accounts
maiden umbra
There’s not enough content for guilds at all, community or war. What both kinds of guilds do is expand their sights to other servers and games because wynn gets boring
Look at Imperial
sage granite
purge ffa only attack allies.
cloud pier
dont kill me but if it werent for broken territories the strongest guilds would be the ones who've played for the longest and not the most actively warring ones
maiden umbra
So if the guild update only focuses on wars then it will fail what we’ve been asking for
warm knoll
@maiden umbra
mods could have spy alt accounts
@hazy bloomthere are some mods already in alliances
salted also took lutho from me
so naturally my response was to take over the entirety of the area surrounding his hq and set all the taxes to max
Lmfao
Gg
his economy is ruined now
solid sandal
wtf ocu
tribal marten
nice
warm knoll
solid sandal
that's so rude
warm knoll
so was taking lutho
Oculism join my guild we need a monster penguin like you to take the whole map.
jovial stirrup
intresting
limber river
pally badges guild bank all add some other things to guilds
jovial stirrup
okay so the fact that you took all terrs around it probs means that any terr can be a trade route
warm knoll
no
maiden umbra
Do they add another feature that everyone can participate in and have fun with?
warm knoll
Some aren’t trade routes
limber river
but i would much rather have guilds be a resource/trading management minigame
warm knoll
I mean
jovial stirrup
TELL ME MOR E
warm knoll
They aren’t all interconnected
potent ibex
tbh they should have made territories set xp values long time ago, too late now.
SE should have never been added in my opinion because there is already no competition why would you add even more territories
solid sandal
guilds are becoming civilization
warm knoll
Some routes are longer than others
hazy bloom
salted also took lutho from me
so naturally my response was to take over the entirety of the area surrounding his hq and set all the taxes to max
@warm knoll doing guild wars on the beta server?
half musk
tell me how light realm connects now
warm knoll
He's a gm lol
solid sandal
man i gotta get in on gm wars
ornate forge
whats a gm
maiden umbra
If the answer is no, then guilds will continue to move to other servers and Wynn’s guild community will slowly dwindle down until one guild holds the entire map for the rest of the server’s uptime
jovial stirrup
@warm knoll hero beta within two weeeks????
warm knoll
no
potent ibex
The reason why mega alliances work and are so present today is because there is so much territories to go around
solid sandal
hero beta soon (tm)
hazy bloom
whats a gm
@ornate forge game master iirc
warm knoll
I don’t know when the hero beta will be
ornate forge
ah ok
jovial stirrup
damn
potent ibex
Hero beta isn't even confirmed, right?
hazy bloom
I don’t know when the hero beta will be
@warm knoll just open it now, we dont care about bugs because it gets reset afterwards anyway
warm knoll
there’ll be one, salted’s confirmed it
solid sandal
yeah
hybrid zephyrBOT
solid sandal
THANKS TATSU.
warm knoll
oh
jovial stirrup
hazy bloom
Since when is there a lvl system on this server?
tribal marten
pog champ
solid sandal
there has always been, they just forgot to mute tatsu in this new channel
hazy bloom
Ah
warm knoll
Salted forgot to disable tatsumaki here.
solid sandal
well guys better get leveling here 
warm knoll
Only the levelling part ,
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🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
tribal marten
damb
limber river
ice my ideal situation would be like this. ANO Hq's troms, takes jungle and exapnds into nesaak. But once into nesaak, they start having too little resources to effectively defend. Then DXI can HQ nesaak, and take that pocket from you, while putting very hard defenses on the smaller amount of territories
shut perch
ono
solid sandal
commands are auto locked to a bot channel, but level up messages need to be disabled for unique channels
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Yes
potent ibex
Well yeah, resources are going to change how things function
warm knoll
Herb cave.
solid sandal
i think people shouldn't expect their old territories or alliances to stand after 1.20
warm knoll
I took all of his territories specifically to deprive him of resources in general, not just to lock down all the trading routes
jovial stirrup
so
warm knoll
It'll be hard if even impossible to hold as many terrs as like fox and ern hold rn
jovial stirrup
hq drains resources
tribal marten
yes i really hope guilds are just chaos
jovial stirrup
?
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Rip
limber river
I hope that scarcity will breed war, and that it will also cause guilds to choose what they really want... not just buffer "because"
potent ibex
We are probably only going to focus jungle, as you said in that hypothetical example, when 1.20 comes out tbh
solid sandal
yeah the more territories you have the harder they'll be to hold
sage granite
oh god its sam.
jovial stirrup
wait what can you do with recourses though?
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O yes its me
warm knoll
Sure thing Mr sam I'll leave ocean to you
shut perch
warm knoll
i call dibs on RTD
limber river
yes ice you choose jungle, which leaves nesaak open to a smaller guild to effectively hold it
solid sandal
i'd wait for calling dibs and see which areas are the best ones to claim or get
final token
@warm knoll also worm tunnel
limber river
i think it will be the same situation with many artemis guilds
warm knoll
as long as I get durum isles you can have the rest of the ocean
You can have worm tunnel too.
tribal marten
i call dibs on olux left half.
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@warm knoll bro but my ocean 😩 😩 😩
jovial stirrup
ah shots very symbolic
ornate forge
gimme RoL
limber river
can ESI reach out to ternaves from almuj etc etc
final token
Ok just pay me tribute
sage granite
i dib on ahmsord for kyn.
hazy bloom
ice my ideal situation would be like this. ANO Hq's troms, takes jungle and exapnds into nesaak. But once into nesaak, they start having too little resources to effectively defend. Then DXI can HQ nesaak, and take that pocket from you, while putting very hard defenses on the smaller amount of territories
@limber river But we also want troms as our HQ
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😳
potent ibex
Well, I imagine many guilds are going to cede some territories to get a grip on the system first
warm knoll
that can be arranged
solid sandal
depends on where trade routes are
potent ibex
And then see what happens from there
jovial stirrup
@warm knoll what can you even do with resources ?
warm knoll
Have fun fighting ano over troms hq lol
ornate forge
upgrade defenses
limber river
yeah but that leaves all the others also get the chance to get a grip on it
potent ibex
I'm not going to discuss our foreign policy yet, not this far from the update
solid sandal
war tryhards,, ,, , ,, ,, ,,, ,,, , ,,,, ,, ,, , ,,
sage granite
avo will be taking ahmsord-kandon btw.
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I take any kind of tribute
half musk
lol.
warm knoll
bad chicken meat it is
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OOLONG
jovial stirrup
i call wagni
sage granite
hooflong
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Give me tea.
solid sandal
wtf foreign policy
oh no the channel went serious
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^
tribal marten
@warm knoll i will take bad chicken meat as an alliance ooffering
warm knoll
I'm waiting for changelogs and beta to try to decide where to hq
tribal marten
yea
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Tf is wrong with my phone
hazy bloom
We want troms and maybe 1 or 2 territory next to it
potent ibex
As someone said, people should not expect the same territories and alliances to hold up after 1.20
solid sandal
until 1.20 this is just shitpost channel lmao
jovial stirrup
darling dibs
tribal marten
shitpost and argument channel
jovial stirrup
bla still
warm knoll
sorry linny but I will not give you an offering
shut perch
👁️ 👄 👁️
tribal marten
wtf
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O
tribal marten
i will obliterate you shoots.
warm knoll
instead you will offer me ironman btw guide
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I c
tribal marten
shots*
jovial stirrup
its kind of ded rn though so bigsad
tribal marten
oh.
warm knoll
.
potent ibex
See as for Troms, I'm not even sure how this is going to work out. Is Ragni's pigmen ravine tunnel a trade route, or no?
jovial stirrup
u staying in tnl sam
sage granite
dunk-on-guilds-channel.
warm knoll
epic sauce
tribal marten
yep.
solid sandal
if i've understood how it's going to work correctly, you'll want to prioritize holding a couple territories with good resources- and expanding is going to be exponentially harder
jovial stirrup
how is tnl doing?
jovial stirrup
cuz u have ugly fucking banner
limber river
@solid sandal thats what i get too
limber river
if someone makes like a ternaves stronhold, will esi be able to relciam without a long tax battle etc
tribal marten
itll be fun
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its been so long
jovial stirrup
IM SO HAPPY
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since fun chaos
hazy bloom
Imagine if one guild just made a line through the whole map
potent ibex
Sam loves destruction
ornate flint
Beta testers are gonna be so far ahead of others in terms of strategy and whatnot
tribal marten
yep
solid sandal
probably not
jovial stirrup
depends on how hard HQs are to take
final token
I am chaotic evil when it comes to guilds
limber river
sam better stream hero beta 4 me pls ty
solid sandal
considering you can just gather all data from beta
solid sandal
and then everyone knows
jovial stirrup
yo sam
final token
Whats up
jovial stirrup
is tnl disc public
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yea
ornate flint
Yeah but they won’t have actually played and gotten a feel for it
warm knoll
alright time to offer no feedback on the beta so nobody knows what's in it
potent ibex
Artemis may still be present during this time, I wouldn't be surprised if the general consensus in Artemis was to hold on for a bit as everyone gets a grip on the new system. Who knows 🤷
jovial stirrup
send inv in dms pls
tribal marten
i am going to release territory data in hb
cloud pier
its literally sam!!!!!
odd oxide
alright time to offer no feedback on the beta so nobody knows what's in it
@warm knoll why must you make us suffer like this?
limber river
lets just get artemis to fall apart with update how about that
warm knoll
depends on how hard HQs are to take
It'll be uh... really hard to take HQs from what we know
solid sandal
i'm planning on doing a lot of beta info hreads
limber river
hq 20% harder, + all the guild defenses people can pile on
odd oxide
Ok ok quick question
shut perch
yes
solid sandal
sounds illegal
jovial stirrup
cuz like how hard is it to create HQ
odd oxide
How do housing systems work?
warm knoll
Lol we all know artemis is gonna break after this you guys are hardly even allies you just barely tolerate each other :holyshit:
final token
its legal
potent ibex
See the thing is, for the first few days, things will be shaky because nothing is set and no one knows how this system functions.
limber river
sam took away my rights
ornate flint
HQs will be hella hard to take over, but it’ll be rebalanced in the beta to make it even harder I’ll bet
final token
LMFAO
tribal marten
yeah
final token
SHEEPN STOP
warm knoll
Bart if you steal the altar thread from me I will break your spine
solid sandal
housing is entirely different from guilds
final token
DONT BRING THAT VC UP
tribal marten
agreed
odd oxide
Uh oh
limber river
i should have recorded that my god
solid sandal
ok go ahead mr REE
odd oxide
Artemis is breaking?
warm knoll
excuse me
solid sandal
is it?
odd oxide
LET'S HOPE NOT
limber river
sam tried to repeal the emancipation proclaimation to take away my rights
odd oxide
I really don't want artemis to break
odd oxide
NOOOO ;-;
final token
Its already breaking
limber river
if you want artemis to stay around you a carebear
odd oxide
Wait what
solid sandal
it's a miracle artemis has lasted for as long as it has
potent ibex
Artemis is still alive, although I think it won't survive much longer into the update. At best, I think a general consensus could be present to wait a bit b4 pulling the plug
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^
odd oxide
if you want artemis to stay around you a carebear
@limber river wdym?
solid sandal
it's been what, 1 year and a half?
limber river
if artemis was coherent there wouldnt be 3 suballiances
warm knoll
my name is Professor Tinky Winky for your information my dear student
I'll be sending your disciplinary letter to your counselor shortly
potent ibex
During half of Artemis's existence, they were not the sole alliance on the map.
final token
it passed Federation on the 25th or so
warm knoll
Half of artemis hates each other
potent ibex
Sentinels was around for a good chunk
odd oxide
I mean even if artemis breaks the suballiances will remain right?
final token
I counted since feb 1st
shut perch
i love all of artemis
potent ibex
Federation was the longest mega alliances with complete dominion on the map
final token
which is when sentinels war was
odd oxide
Artemis is great
half musk
i love you
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me 2
solid sandal
yeah and from what i've understood, the bigger and more commanding alliances are, the less fun everyone's having
limber river
cal when will dxi and ano become allies
final token
I love myself
shut perch
i love you oolong
potent ibex
suballiances will probably exist, but those are not a problem by any standard
odd oxide
@shut perch nice pfp bro
jovial stirrup
this chat is going to break speed of sound soon
limber river
you can give me twain house like you did to your
"protectoate"
jovial stirrup
what the ufck
shut perch
we did when dxi had elkurn for a whole 3 minutes
warm knoll
holyshit elkurn
potent ibex
wdym sheepn
half musk
😅
solid sandal
i'm looking forward to next update that will probably make alliances consist of a few guilds within a specific bordered-off area
limber river
dxi gonna hq elkurn you already know
ornate flint
Artemis lasting will depend a lot on how hard it is to take over HQs from small guilds that don’t have a lot of territory
hybrid zephyrBOT
shut perch
wb HC?
potent ibex
Isn't Elkurn AVO?
shut perch
cheatin?
ornate flint
Yeet
solid sandal
damn tatsu going off
odd oxide
I really need to get my ass ass in to level 105 asap
limber river
all my homies hate avo
solid sandal
low level though, shame
hexed charm
Can I level up too please
limber river
jk pls no
potent ibex
LMAO SHEEPN
half musk
aight let's go
hexed charm
Make me level up
half musk
let's duel
odd oxide
Lux Nova is chill tho right?
limber river
theooshort
hazy bloom
@hexed charm lvling up is lame
shut perch
sheepn doesnt duel he rap battles
final token
pay up
ornate flint
:sadface:
potent ibex
LXA and ESI my homies
odd oxide
@potent ibex eyyyyyy
final token
I dont allow such toxicity in my nice guild politics channel
all my homies need to crush ANO for lying to me about Nesaak
ember cloak
Me when Im Epic
final token
2 years ago
ember cloak
EPIC
hazy bloom
all my homies need to crush ANO for lying to me about Nesaak
@final token I will help you
unborn relic
pew
shut perch
hi cakes
half musk
Cath moment?
unborn relic
hey cal!
edgy gyro
Pew
trim wedge
Pew
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Lee
unborn relic
pew
final token
Can I vore you
edgy gyro
Oh
unborn relic
pew chain pls
hazy bloom
I will blackmail Artemis to give us Troms
solid sandal
guys pls
unborn relic
pew
odd oxide
Ano is cool tho so is esi
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im cooler
hazy bloom
(Just joking)
solid sandal
wait ingo what guild are you even from, not warrior cult right
odd oxide
@final token TNL's banner is cool
final token
its not LOL
jovial stirrup
you guys know the feeling that you sometimes want to try like a new guild but dont want to leave current one
re
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we spent 63.5m
tribal marten
yep
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on banners
edgy gyro
T8 banner sucks
shut perch
tiny sequoia
it was when it was lvl lower lmao
edgy gyro
I miss having Nitro
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Can we fix the T8 banner 😩 @ Salted
ornate flint
Ironman btw
odd oxide
you guys know the feeling that you sometimes want to try like a new guild but dont want to leave current one
@jovial stirrup i love lxa so far and it's my first guild
tribal marten
warm knoll
I don't know this feeling please describe it to me in great detail
tiny sequoia
i miss TNL tier 7
ornate forge
t7 da best
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Salted fix T8 or give banners some perk like HQs
solid sandal
i have considered looking around other guilds but it's not gone further than joining their discord server and lurking in the local class builds channel
jovial stirrup
I don't know this feeling please describe it to me in great detail
@warm knoll its like taking durum isles
solid sandal
lmao
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😔
tribal marten
bro who looks at guild banners
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ME
warm knoll
amazing
ornate forge
guild banners are the only part of the guild that matters
tribal marten
the guild people,
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after wasting 63.5m linny
ornate forge
everything else is frivolous bs
odd oxide
bro who looks at guild banners
@tribal marten new players
ornate flint
Guild banners are good money sink
jovial stirrup
yes cuz it looks like afucking turd you retard
ornate forge
whats tnl bank
odd oxide
I saw lxa's banner literally everywhere when i started so it became my goal to join lxa and here i am
ornate forge
o nice
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I dont hide my bank lmfao
warm knoll
I look at guild banners and in the next 3 seconds forget what I just saw sorry
jovial stirrup
yo what guilds yall in rn?
solid sandal
guild banners have an antimemetic effect
odd oxide
I look at guild banners and in the next 3 seconds for get what I just saw sorry
@warm knoll the thing is, people see banners, not remember banners lol
unborn relic
ANO stands for Awesome Neanderthal Octopi
solid sandal
you forget them the moment you take your eyes off em
edgy gyro
TNL stands for Totally Not Lying
limber river
until you accidentally disband it again
odd oxide
Pls i like the state of the world
final token
no u dont
warm knoll
ok
final token
its boring
unborn relic
ERN Erratic Righteous Nappies
potent ibex
tbh I'd hand Nesaak to u if you were more trustworthy 😭
final token
tf
odd oxide
Btw I'm still new to guild politics and all so can anyone catch me up to the history of guilds?
tribal marten
oh god
potent ibex
I'm very trustworthy ❤️
solid sandal
do not ask that
edgy gyro
Give me Nesaak
solid sandal
do not say "history of guilds"
odd oxide
Yes
final token
maybe ill throw a summary in here one day
jovial stirrup
sam u realise u are beyond bad right
jovial stirrup
please dont
ornate flint
Look at the guides on guilds lol
jovial stirrup
you'll mess it
limber river
lets get dxi on nesaak
ornate flint
The guild collection
limber river
the nice third party huh?
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Ever shut it go back to Imp
shut perch
Ice i gave you op on a parkour map for 1 second and you blew shit up
odd oxide
Just dm me the summary as well when u feel like it
edgy gyro
LXA - Lighthearted Xenophobic Armadillos
jovial stirrup
never sam
potent ibex
SMH
unborn relic
LEE
jovial stirrup
dont bully me
odd oxide
LXA - Lighthearted Xenophobic Armadillos
@edgy gyro lmao
jovial stirrup
U WERE THERE TOO FOOL
potent ibex
TNL - The No Lives
jovial stirrup
YES BUT THE BANNER IS A TURD
solid sandal
guilds? cringe
ty for listening to my ted talk
jovial stirrup
JUST GIVE IT AWAY AND JOIN BLA
odd oxide
TNL The Necrophiliac Lovers
jovial stirrup
BEST LIVING ANIMALS
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Ew
edgy gyro
Empty Salamander's Igloo
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tf
solid sandal
o_o
warm knoll
odd oxide
odd oxide
So you like necrophilia @final token ?
jovial stirrup
the number of guilds sam has destroyed is unseen and probably a record that will never be broken
odd oxide
@final token TNL - Yhe Necrophiliac Lovers
jovial stirrup
Mood
limber river
YO
potent ibex
huh