JP+ Group Development Zone

[pure mantle]

so there is a problem of some kind, it's just not telling me

or at least that's what I assume

...oh I see what you mean, it the grf file is there just fine

it's just the script doesn't tell you it's actually done so I thought it was halfway through

[tidal perch]

Eh that's intended

It's for instant debugging

[pure mantle]

oh I see

[tidal perch]

If you look at the build script you'll see a goto command there

[pure mantle]

so you fix you want, go back to the console and then just press a key again

[tidal perch]

Ja

[pure mantle]

ah

that's confusing 😛

[tidal perch]

😄 you should prob read the build script

[pure mantle]

though only to an outsider, who I guess doesn't normally compile newgrf files

and an outsider too lazy to read the build script and figure it out

which is really quite a small window

lmao I was there for like 5 minutes holding down a key wondering "man, this sure is taking a weirdly long time"

[crude phoenix]

You shouldn't even need to compile it, the GRF is in the repo already 😉

Never mind, it wasn't in there

[frozen prawn]

Hi

https://usoden.hatenablog.com/entry/32509309

Your welcome

So when

[crisp stone]

Probably after I recode the 103

Maybe I should do that today

[tidal perch]

hehe

[crisp stone]

I’ve got to split it into the variants and also there’s a lot of replacement graphics for it

Just need to whip myself into doing it

[bleak karma]

103 series in Hokkaido.. hmm something is suspicious

[crude phoenix]

Yeah I was wondering about that

103 is DC, Hokkaido is AC territory

[shrewd wren]

Usoden dayooo

[nova bay]

Wikipedia doesn't say they had ever been used in Hokkaido

[bleak karma]

shh

[frozen prawn]

There was a test case when they make non power 103s go into Hokkaido with a loco

[pure mantle]

I thought the UK's situation was bad with mainline third rail in the south but Japan takes it to another level

what's up with kyushu being in AC and the rest of that part of Japan being DC?

I already knew about gauges and grid frequencies but I didn't think it'd be like this lmao

[crude phoenix]

Newly electrified regions were done in AC because it’s better in a lot of ways

[pure mantle]

right I see

[crude phoenix]

Some lines in the north were DC first, then converted to AC later

[pure mantle]

and the shinansen are 25kV why?

[crude phoenix]

25kV is the global standard for high speed rail

[pure mantle]

I guess they were already going to standard gauge as well

but then they made everything else 20kV?

[crude phoenix]

Narrow gauge doesn't need as much power

But the only place the 20 and 25kV networks actually meet is the Seikan Tunnel

originally it was 20kV for narrow gauge AC trains

but then it was upgraded to dual gauge and 25kV for Shinkansen

and they intriduced the EH800 locomotive which can do both 20 and 25kV

[pure mantle]

I guess that's all true but now you have 5 different electrification systems which you'd think be a little inefficient

not mentioning the whole 50Hz/60Hz thing

[crude phoenix]

Most modern locomotives are multisystem and can run under all the voltages and frequencies

[pure mantle]

well I guess if they're willing to just throw some more money in a quadmode locomotive then it works fine

I think the only equivalent we have here would be the eurostar

[crude phoenix]

If you look at this carefully, you'll see there are actually more multisystem locomotives than pure AC ones #981523481122471957 message

[pure mantle]

what's the code?

of course most trains I imagine don't need to cross all of the boundaries

[crude phoenix]

In Europe it's not too different, multisystem TRAXX, Eurosprinter and Vectron are everywhere now

[pure mantle]

true but the difference is in Europe that's a problem between countries, we didn't do this to ourselves (generally) 😛

besides things like two modes in france and the UK

[neon light]

class 92

[pure mantle]

the class 373 was 25kV 50 Hz, 3kV DC, 1kV DC, and 750 V DC third rail (because we thought running high speed trains from a modern TGV mainline onto a third rail regular intercity mainline was a good idea)

[neon light]

well they kinda had to until HS1 was finished

[pure mantle]

no no HS1 didn't start until years later

[neon light]

they still had to run them on 3rd rail regardless

there was no other way into london

[pure mantle]

they built a £100m plus custom terminal for that at Waterloo, then only approved HS1 some time after the line had opened

and then after like 13 years of use abandoned it

and it was only slowly brought back into service ten years after that

I was only including things that were more than 2 modes, so class 92 doesn't count

[neon light]

ah

[pure mantle]

we do have a lot of bimodes though yeah

like the thameslink 700s and actually the 717s too, even though they don't go south of King's Cross (the Northern City Line is DC too)

then we have the class 374 which has 25 kV 50 Hz AC, 15kV 16.7 Hz AC (ah germany), 3kV DC, and 1kV DC all pantograph

[kindred karma]

used for crash test

https://news.mynavi.jp/article/trivia-427/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDL8PrP7Cc

speaking of hokkaido rishiri whennnnnn
engine swapped kiha 40 (kiha 400) with 14 series sleeper and kiha 182 (kiha 183 middle car)

[nova bay]

Is this kiha 400?

[kindred karma]

yes

[frozen prawn]

https://x.com/jr39405/status/1849262372776784087
Oh wow

ホリ鉄（要年齢確認車両製作所） (@jr39405) on X

#見てみたかった幻の車両を上げる
209系の元祖の元祖

Twitter · Oct 24, 2024, 1:31 AM

[neon light]

oh, interesting

[kindred karma]

its looks like shitpost but its not

https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/d0200

[ember heron]

Japan is a strange country

[frozen prawn]

make it le
make it le
Experimental 209

[nova bay]

Is 14 series coaches still not included?

[crude phoenix]

No, those aren't close to done yet

[shrewd wren]

JP+ Tracks progress

[mossy night]

I love the new snowy rails

[bleak glade]

also the tuffs of grass on the depot is chefs kiss

[neon light]

these are great

[digital river]

the simutransification of OpenTTD is progressing

[rain ingot]

What's the difference between the one without snow on the ballast and the one with snow?

[shrewd wren]

Wooden weathered/concrete sleepers
Wooden track gets fully covered to create hokkaidish feeling

[mossy night]

https://youtu.be/J1exP8GprZ4?si=YahTkquDr3_CJHfH

Have you made this Shinkansen?

[nova bay]

This is not real shinkansen, but some kiha with magic shapes and liveries (like what Japan always do)

[ember heron]

Japan has a ridiculous amount of different train models

[amber totem]

And that’s why I’m glad I did the Shinkansen 😉

Finite number of those

[shrewd wren]

What about JP+Buildings tho

You love Japan?
Draw every building 😆

[tidal perch]

eh, no

[mossy night]

Xd

[mossy night]

That ever existed

[tidal perch]

Steal models from A-Tourism and render them

[amber totem]

Each sprite represents a million buildings, seems a fair compromise

[shrewd wren]

Houses from daimyo era

For early 10th century starts

[tidal perch]

capitalism isn't a thing back then

[shrewd wren]

Isekai'd to make Meiji restoration a few hundreds years before

[tidal perch]

Chocolate? 🤪

[amber totem]

Already done a Meiji building 😉

[shrewd wren]

radio kaikan plz plz

[pure mantle]

i've seen a real 0 series shinkansen (what that train is meant to look like) and I've never been to Japan

once again the national railway museum in York ftw

you can go inside it as well

[mossy night]

i think its the only one in europe

[pure mantle]

only one outside Japan

[mossy night]

i thought there was one in taiwan?

[pure mantle]

checks online oh yeah looks like there is one there

only one of two outside Japan

[mossy night]

yeah

i think the outside of japan thing is one of those myths

or confusions

like the union jack vs union flag thing

[pure mantle]

I mean, it was true until very recently

it seems like it didn't open that long ago

according to its official website the renovation project for the one in Taiwan was completed in December 2019, so it would've still been correct when I went to see it

looks like a pretty nice museum in its own right, though focusing less on trains and more on explaining the other parts of a railway, while the NRM just has a ton of steam locomotives and a whole working turntable and some other stuff

[mossy night]

i wish NRM had the shit stuff

i know there's another museum up in durham or something but that's harder to get to

[magic ridge]

Like things that aren't big shiny express engines and more like dirty shunters?

[mossy night]

More or less yeah

I mean

Classes 37, 47, 20, 142, 101

A jinty and a pannier too

Also a 35, 42 and 52

Big shiny expresses are good, i just want both

And ofc gronks

[magic ridge]

THERE'S NO CLASS 37 THERE

Isn't that like one of the most widespread ones ever

[mossy night]

I don’t think so no, there’s a 20 tho

[mossy night]

Not sure, certainly produced in large numbers

[magic ridge]

It's one of the first things I think about when I think of UK railways but I have never been outside of Heathrow so I don't really have the full picture💀

[mossy night]

Honestly

At this point i know way more about Danish stuff than i do our own

Probably know as much about ours than i do Swedish

[neon light]

there is a 52 in the NRM

and a 20

and a 108, which is close enough to a 101

[mossy night]

Is it in the currently closed off area?

The 108 too

[neon light]

idk i havent been since like 2018

[mossy night]

Probably yes then

A huge portion of the museum has been shut a while

Iirc last time i went, and the time before, both this year, it was only really the main hall and the place with many carriages that was open

From the train i had seen what was the 108 probably outside the museum

But it wasn’t publicly accessible so it doesn’t count

[neon light]

the NRM does own a 37

although its currently visiting other heritage railways

[crude phoenix]

Why are we talking about the NRM in here? Please stay on topic

[nova bay]

some "weirdness" of trains still exist in 80s japan. Passenger-freight mixed trains. Doors are open when trains are running. The rear of coaches is open, there is only a rope to prefent fall down.

[kindred karma]

old type coach door is manual

[shrewd wren]

Final stage before the release

[neon light]

very cool

[tidal perch]

hmph

translations 🙂

[shrewd wren]

Not yet, I'm changing the lang file every time I take a breath

[shrewd wren]

While I'm making the last task before bananas release, I'm asking you for some testing.
Version 0.2.0 has its id's, names and labels set, and they won't be changed anymore, so it's safe to use in your main saves. Any bugs, mistypes, visual glitches reporting is appreciated.

[mossy night]

These are beautiful

[buoyant swan]

we're so back

[royal nimbus]

I noticed the code seems to lack alternative_railtype_list meaning it won't work with dutch trains and maybe some other set to idk

[shrewd wren]

If I would copy this list from SETS, things should be compatible right?

[royal nimbus]

yeah I don't think there would be any problem with that idk about IH labels tho since I do actually implement the HST one

[limpid python]

Those tracks look awesome

[peak cargo]

ooooh, where would we find the test grf?

I'd love to give it a go

[bleak glade]

download this file https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPplusTracks/blob/main/JPtracks.grf

[peak cargo]

perfect, thanks

[peak cargo]

I had a play around, and I've only got two bits of feedback

1. The set doesn't seem to have any way of detecting whether or not you have a vehicle for that track type available, so you have to manually toggle track types you don't need off. I'm presuming that's something that might be a hassle to do so its not the biggest worry
2. The parameters for selecting the pylon/fence type are quite confusing. They use the term "wooden" and "concrete" in the parameter menu, but in the buy menu they're not named as such, so its not perfectly clear what refers to what.
3. changing the aforementioned parameters for the AC/DC track doesn't seem to work either, only changing the DC track type seems to have an effect (I have currents disabled)
4. The chronological order for centenary poles is a really cool idea, but it might be good to have a description of when they change and what to (e.g. <1909 wooden poles, 1909-1959 Metal Poles, 1960> Concrete poles)
5. It also might be useful to have a parameter to control when this change happens, e.g. setting wooden poles to last until 1930 or so.
6. Also it might be useful to add the wooden pylons into the list of selectable pylons when not using the chronological option
7. An option to disable the SC Maglec and underground universal tracks would also be appreciated too
8. I don't think this is meant to happen with the linear induction motor tracks

also for some reason changing the pylon style for the Modern Standard Gauge AC track also changes it for the Wooden Standard Gauge AC/DC track

[wild geode]

The woodern standard gauge refers to the ties not the pylons, you're just selecting the fence/pylon for that particular track.

also be aware if you're downloading straight from github you are pulling it from the oven before it's done cooking.

[shrewd wren]

Perfect, thank you

How should I rename wooden and concrete options?

[peak cargo]

I know, I was saying its not clear what its refering to in game, since they're not called that in game

[peak cargo]

I know, that's why I'm giving feedback

[peak cargo]

Tbh my gut instinct would be wooden and concrete. It works, other sets do it, and it describes what they are/do

[royal nimbus]

I took a look at the alternative labels and they looked good, just don't forget to close the issue

[shrewd wren]

So it's better to add concrete/wooden to the names in the building menu?

[wild geode]

Consistent naming is good either way

[peak cargo]

I'd say so

something like this maybe? (ignore my poor editing skills)

that way the name remains somewhat relevant in all eras

some sets will have the first track type you get be "branch line", which always irks me if its the only track type you have at the start

[shrewd wren]

This should work, I like it as well

[peak cargo]

perfect then

[bleak glade]

yeah that definitely helps with differentiating between the railtypes

[peak cargo]

also I just realised you guys used a different track type for your Shinkansen tracks

seems it works with iron horse, so I'll add compatibility to my sets too, thankfully I've only done one proper high speed train

also I think there's a typo in the docs, in the readme is says the shinkansen trakcs are SGAE, but in the code they appear to be SGAA

[royal nimbus]

The reason they work with IH is IHBA so I would consider using that instead since SGAA would be an incorrect use of the railtype standard which says speed class (second position) shouldn't be used by train sets. Using the IH label also makes it work with more sets potentially

[peak cargo]

yeah, that's what I've done

although the issue I've encountered in my MU wagon isn't availabe since its tracktype is just set to "RAIL"

so now I'm trying to find a workaround to make it available regardless of track type

[shrewd wren]

I use universal tracktype for mu_car

I'm also making a tweak in JP+Private, where if tracks are loaded, there's only 1 mu_car for every emu

[peak cargo]

damnit, I only just spotted that

[peak cargo]

do you have a sample of that code that I could pinch?

nvm, I got it :3

[shrewd wren]

Oh it's quite complicated
mu_car
train
define

The reason you should make this fallback to others mu_cars, is that track sets don't usually do universal tracktypes

[peak cargo]

yeah, I know

I just copied the "TR_UNIVERSAL" you used, and put this in my track type table "TR_UNIVERSAL: [_AAE, RAIL]"

My stuff is pretty basic, and I only deal with one track gauge, plus third rail and OHLE, so that should cover any issues I encounter

[shrewd wren]

cheater 😜

[peak cargo]

you call it cheating, I call it efficiency 🙂

[tidal perch]

@shrewd wren I noticed that random bits in terms of rails uses position-based pseudo random. Is it possible to replace catenary poles based on position (retrieved from random bits), so that some have the weight for line tensioning?

Hmm, I think two bits aren't enough to retrieve useful information from them 🤯

        switch (variable) {
                case 0x40: return GetTerrainType(this->tile, this->context);
                case 0x41: return 0;
                case 0x42: return IsLevelCrossingTile(this->tile) && IsCrossingBarred(this->tile);
                case 0x43:
                        if (IsRailDepotTile(this->tile)) return Depot::GetByTile(this->tile)->build_date.base();
                        return TimerGameCalendar::date.base();
                case 0x44: {
                        const Town *t = nullptr;
                        if (IsRailDepotTile(this->tile)) {
                                t = Depot::GetByTile(this->tile)->town;
                        } else if (IsLevelCrossingTile(this->tile)) {
                                t = ClosestTownFromTile(this->tile, UINT_MAX);
                        }
                        return t != nullptr ? GetTownRadiusGroup(t, this->tile) : HZB_TOWN_EDGE;
                }
        }

Well

😥 it's not based on pure xy coordinates

[shrewd wren]

Sadly yes, these are possible only as objects or waypoints

[tidal perch]

I have an idea 🤓

case 0x45:
return blahblahblah tile index -> ||dslfjlskdjflksdjflksdlfjsdliflsdjflksdjflkjds|| x y coordinates

[shrewd wren]

I don't think railtypes have 0x45

[tidal perch]

No

[shrewd wren]

Reworked Keio 5000 (I) and 6000 Series

[thorny current]

pretty

[amber totem]

Even prettier on those tracks

[frozen prawn]

Have you guys think of making

this

DA PSD

[tidal perch]

Could you please stop using the acronym? I know it means "platform screen door," but it's really hard for other people to properly understand, especially when you add something irrelevant (for example here you added "DA").

[frozen prawn]

[crisp stone]

Eventually yes

[frozen prawn]

[regal flame]

are those rails be able to add in already exist game?

[regal flame]

why there are no cargo locos in the depot?

is that bug?

or i'm doing something wrong?

[nova bay]

These trains above are from old Japan Set

[regal flame]

do i need just to update them?

i don't have any electric trains on dc

[nova bay]

It is not the thing like “update”. The new JP+ aims to be independent from Japan Set.

[nova bay]

Because the old Japan Set code every electric train on AC, if I recall correctly

[regal flame]

and what i need to download so that's they are working correctrly?

jp+ and remove japan set 3?

[nova bay]

Currently don’t remove Japan Set 3

[regal flame]

okay

[nova bay]

But the problem is, the new JP+ is still under development. I have the under-development version for now, but it is hard to get, you sometimes need to compile for yourself

[regal flame]

so only compile version is working for now?

[nova bay]

And something big is going to happen, when you will no longer need Japan Set. But it is not today.

Some repositories have the grf file, others you have to compile by yourself.

[regal flame]

when if it's not a secret maybe it does make sense to wait and not start a new world

[nova bay]

I think, maybe, it would be the same time with xUSSR 0.9 🙂

[regal flame]

31 of november)

[tidal perch]

yes, with the potential of breaking your game

[regal flame]

ugh(

[tidal perch]

that's the universal answer for "can I add A new NewGRF to an existing game?" 🙂

[regal flame]

sometimes it works

[tidal perch]

sometimes

[crude phoenix]

You can download JP+ Engines 1.0.0 Alpha now for testing. JapanSet 3 is no longer required https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPengines/blob/acdc/jplw.grf

It is NOT compatible with any previous releases of JP+ Engines though 😉

[wild geode]

YOOOOOOOO

[tidal perch]

😮

https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPengines/tree/acdc
it's on a different branch 🙂

[crude phoenix]

I should figure out how to get rid of those outdated branches eh

[tidal perch]

google "how to remove github branches"

[kindred karma]

@amber totem should i translate shark nose and asahi as 200番台/2000番台 and F90 - F93編成 or keep it consistent to english

[amber totem]

I think consistent/simplified works best

The naming, numbering IRL is more complicated, but simplifying for gameplay and keeping the coder’s sanity makes sense 😉

Thanks for looking at it

[regal flame]

is there already compiled version?

[tidal perch]

There is

It's in the file branch

[regal flame]

i'm blind i think

[tidal perch]

Acdc, and in the file menu look for files that ends in .grf

You're on the right branch

[regal flame]

ahhh okay

thanks now it works

[tidal perch]

was going over the strings, found this

STR_CONCAT_3:{STRING} {STRING} {STRING}
# 对于一些语言，这里的空格可以被移除，但是不适用于中文：Hatsune 39 Type -> 初音 39 形
STR_TRAIN_NAME_SHORT:{STRING} {STRING}

[tidal perch]

@amber totem ] just saw you pushed a few commits. Are the strings for JP+ Buildings ready?

[amber totem]

I still have a few buildings I'd like to add, so there will be some more changes

Likely it'll just be strings for names of buildings, which the lang file largely is currently

[tidal perch]

I see

[tidal perch]

AI's seem to be a bit hostile 🙂

[shrewd wren]

JP+ Tracks released!
#developer-updates message
I've learnt a lot of new stuff in photoshop while I was working on this grf, so it wasn't a waste after all
Hope you'll enjoy it!
For the next updates I'll go heavily into graphics department, adding new depots, improving "fake narrow ballast fence"™️ and making all the tracks auto generated with photoshop linked files

[peak cargo]

I'm looking forward to it!

[tidal perch]

translations are on the way 😉

[timid spire]

I hope there's will be the JP+ Tram Which includes Toden Arakawa Line.

[amber totem]

Yea, that would be good

[nova bay]

The key problem is to find some volunteer who wants to do this for free 😆

[tidal perch]

hmm

https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/13147

[shrewd wren]

Nothing to see here, it was fixed right after it was discovered 😛

[rigid salmon]

theres no jp+ road set avaible right?

[crisp stone]

One day in the future the answer will be yes

Alas, today it is no

The chefs are cooking ACDC updates to follow JP+Tracks release today 😉

🎸

[shrewd wren]

No highway to hell yet

[crisp stone]

Nope, You've *not * been thunderstruck

[neon light]

my units arent appearing on the track type they are meant for

and the only track set i have enabled is the new trackset

[crude phoenix]

The trainsets haven't been updated to support the voltages yet

[neon light]

ah thank you

ill wait until that has happened then

[amber totem]

Not so much of an ACDC update for Shinkansen, but a chance for it to drop the tracks that were bundled with it!

Main changes made in the update where recoding the whole thing to reduce the graphical glitchiness caused by long sprites

Wanted to include more coupled Shinkansen too, so the recode made this easier as the previous implementation of coupling made it quite prohibitive to do

[tidal perch]

😮 modular strings for jp+mu?

[crisp stone]

Oh yes

Maybe I am starting to tidy the horrible horrible language file ahaha

Sadly JP+MU's langauge file is so so so so old

It was made before JP+MU was called JP+MU

Just kept getting more and more and more

[shrewd wren]

Modular liveries and train names are also superb
One Shonan string for dozens of trains

[crisp stone]

I love it

[neon light]

whats the remaining train sets that need updating

[crisp stone]

I want to re-do all the livery things

[crisp stone]

Engines and Wagons

And that one will be big

[shrewd wren]

And private

[neon light]

ah cheers

[crisp stone]

RUMOR has it that Engines and Wagons will not require JapanSet3 to be loaded!

[neon light]

wehey

[crisp stone]

You'll be able to play JP+ without JapanSet3

😮

[wild geode]

[tidal perch]

gehehe

translations

[crude phoenix]

Engines and Wagons might take a little longer but I'm definitely aiming to release before Christmas 🙂

[neon light]

i feel like private will take a while to complete

unless you arent doing all private companies

[shrewd wren]

I want to cry in bed every time I open private's code

[neon light]

just waiting on iwate galaxy railway 7000 and ill be happy

[crisp stone]

I think that might be more a JP+ Multiple Unit refit than a JP+ Private

[shrewd wren]

It's just fixing here and there that needed, but finding and testing sadly takes much time

[crisp stone]

Infact

I think I I have a IGR 7000 somewhere

I'll have a look at the 701 series

It was supposed tobe a refit of that

[neon light]

the aomori railway units aswell

701 and e721 refits they can be

[crisp stone]

Quite a few people got a 701 series aye

I feel like the 701 was one of @bleak karma 's box EMU projects 🤔

[rain ingot]

NATS was a mistake

[nova bay]

OpenTTD in 2020s is evermore thriving than before, I am glad I encountered openttd in the right time 🙂

Like, I can’t imagine playing only the plain Japan Set

[crisp stone]

When I first used JapanSet many years ago I never imagined that a Japan themed game could get any better....I was wrong!

[tidal perch]

We're only missing the infrastructure and landscape now

😄 no jpplus stations today

(ill complete a station set one day)

[rain ingot]

Roadstops

Buses

JP+ will never be finished

[neon light]

i would like more building options than just urban rual and tokyo

[shrewd wren]

JP+ has no goal, only way

[neon light]

there will always be more private companies to do

theres so many

[tidal perch]

Sure

[tidal perch]

@shrewd wren duplicate strings here

also bug in the english langauge file. STR_PARAM_PYLONS used colour code LTBLUE which makes it look a bit strange in the settings menu.

-STR_PARAM_PYLONS:Select {STRING} {STRING} {LTBLUE}catenary pylons style
+STR_PARAM_PYLONS:Select {STRING} catenary pylons style

[tidal perch]

found another bug here, snow in desert scenario

[shrewd wren]

Can't understand what's considered the bug here

Ah it's desert got it

[wild geode]

Maybe not using the green screen terrain would have been useful for this 😛

[shrewd wren]

Inokashira line Keio 1000 series
||Antidepressants, coffee, Christmas lights and a blizzard outside. Perfect for drawing||

[torn tree]

Great work😉

[neon light]

is this a known wrong sprite on the 381?

its only the correct sprite on this diagonal

[late snow]

eyo thats the sprite I was supposed to finish and then just didnt because I had things to do

[crisp stone]

it is isnt it

[pulsar solstice]

There is no "JP+ MU" on narrow gauge depot

it is only in standard gauge...

is there anyone that knows what it is?

[crude phoenix]

are the JP+ MU engines available?

[tidal perch]

yeah I can confirm they are not available

😮 running the MU nml file through nmlc there seemed to be a lot of unused strings

[crude phoenix]

Hmm, could be a railtype related bug

@crisp stone should investigate

[pulsar solstice]

do you mean these ones?

[pulsar solstice]

yeap, maybe it is right

I tryed to use JP+ track set and removed because it feels too complicate

[crude phoenix]

Yes, those are showing up just fine

did you remove the track set while the game is running, or start a new map?

[pulsar solstice]

after then this situation is occured

hmm, i don't remember but maybe i removed when game is running

I'll try to re-install all of them

[crude phoenix]

try starting a new map with JapanSet Tracks and see if that fixes it

[pulsar solstice]

nop, it is new map

without jp+ tracks

[crude phoenix]

if you don't want to use JP+ Tracks you should use JapanSet tracks instead

[pulsar solstice]

yes I know and there's japanset tracks only

[crude phoenix]

ah, that should work then, I'll need to do some testing

[pulsar solstice]

maybe my openttd file is too old and complicated

updated and updated for several years

[crude phoenix]

No, that's not how things work

[pulsar solstice]

re-installed all of them and it's same

[crude phoenix]

Seems like a bug in JP+ MU, when it was updated to work with JP+ Tracks it broke compatibility with JapanSet Tracks. Recreated the problem with only these two loaded

[pulsar solstice]

oh, I see.

[crude phoenix]

Either wait until it's fixed or use JP+ Tracks instead (you can use the parameters to simplify the choice of tracks)

[pulsar solstice]

Ok, Thanks.

and, is this also bug?

with JP+ tracks, there're no private MUs

Private MUs are only in "Narrow Gauge line(electrified)

[crude phoenix]

looks like you loaded both JapanSet tracks and JP+ tracks, you should only load one

[pulsar solstice]

Nop, There's no JapanSet tracks

[crude phoenix]

Hmm, I think JapanSet Trains is providing that railtype and messing things up

[pulsar solstice]

I'll try to disable rail tracks on JapanSet Trains

[crude phoenix]

Get rid of JapanSet Trains and update to the latest JP+ Engines https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPengines/tree/acdc

it's not on bananas yet but it's close to ready for release

[pulsar solstice]

It works when this option is disabled

[pulsar solstice]

Is Japanset Train not necessary

?

[crude phoenix]

Not anymore with the latest JP+ Engines 🙂

[pulsar solstice]

Oh, I didn't know that

[crude phoenix]

Oh good, that works too

[pulsar solstice]

I tryed to load JapanSet Tracks with disabled JapanSet Train's option, and it doesn't work.

I think JapanSet Tracks are messing up these things

anyway thank you for support

[shrewd wren]

Yes I forgot to add NAAN to the fallback array for universal track type 😅

[tidal perch]

@amber totem: @misty coral found that E7's articulated wagons are not working. I checked the code and you seemed to miss getbits when handling articulated wagons 🙂

[amber totem]

Will look into this

[shrewd wren]

With JP+Private Companies released #developer-updates message
JP+Tracks SilentPatch
Fixes:
Precombined sprites for both narrow and standard gauges gfx (nice switches)
OpenGFX snow compatibility
Show hidden narrow ne slab track
Costs rewamp
Menu strings fix

[tidal perch]

oooo

[amber totem]

Weird. I can't replicate this 😕

[tidal perch]

hmm

lemme try

[amber totem]

I've modified the articulated part anyway

Lemme pass it to you to see if that helps

[tidal perch]

it's working fine

[amber totem]

Was this what happened to you before as well?

[tidal perch]

I think it should be this one: #981523481122471957 message
but that's E5 & E6

also string code bug here. I think you accidently added {BLACK} somewhere

[amber totem]

I've seen other grfs that do this as well, so probably just the game highlighting the first string only of a set of modular strings

[tidal perch]

yeah removing {BLACK} results this

[amber totem]

Ah, the & part! Yea, that looks better

[arctic cargo]

Hello! I wanted to report a problem with JP+ bridges and JP+ tracks, when using the SC maglev track the bridge sprites become the default ones.

im on JGRPP 0.63.0 btw

[crude phoenix]

I know what's causing it, JP+ Bridges doesn't actually support the MONO and MGLV railtypes

[arctic cargo]

Are there plans to fix this or nah?

[crude phoenix]

We'll sort it out, we don't want incompatibility between JP+ sets 🙂

[arctic cargo]

Good, thanks!

[crude phoenix]

Even if I have to rewrite the majority of JP+Bridges

[tidal perch]

yagl? 😎

[restive meteor]

How do I choose which track to use in JP+ Tracks?

[neon light]

like you would any other trackset?

[restive meteor]

Yeah, but is there a gameplay difference between wooden and concrete ties, etc?

[neon light]

a speed difference

between those 2

[restive meteor]

But there are some types that have the same speed but different ties

I guess that's just cosmetic?

[neon light]

pretty much

[shrewd wren]

I had a thought on making progression like
100/130/160 for wooden/concrete/slab tracks accordingly
But this would probably have resulted in everyone using slab tracks everywhere

[neon light]

160 on 1067mm hmm

[shrewd wren]

There are some limited expresses that have a max (not operating) speeds of 160

[neon light]

and operating speeds are preferred

[nova bay]

*were

[tidal perch]

woah

[nova bay]

Which feature of JP+ Shinkansen makes it need OpenTTD 14+?

[amber totem]

Do you use an older version than that?

[timid spire]

Awesome I saw the JP+ Tram I hope there's Toden Arakawa Line Trams are in works?

[amber totem]

Yea, it’s on the to do list

[nova bay]

There is a person on forums using a mobile version (<14.0) of openttd and cannot find the new JP+ Shinkansen

[amber totem]

Looks like you can update this on bananas which is good. Changed it to 13.1 which I think had a variants update which this set uses

[nova bay]

Thanks, and I guess that person according to their profile photo is from Mainland China, where it is hard to access Google Play with its Beta Tester. I guess their openttd is from some application market that does not “mirror” these beta test versions.

Thanks, it is just the case that not everyone shares these new versions equally easily… not everyone has a computer, children there are generally discouraged and restricted by their parents to have and play on a computer.

[crisp stone]

@neon light see you've spotted your beloved Iwate Galaxy Railway gift huhu

[neon light]

yes haha

[nova bay]

More KiHa 😋

[crisp stone]

Always more!

789 series might help with your Hokkaido when I finish it in the new year 😛

[late turret]

hello i have found a bug whenever opening the road sation tab it like completely crashes my game when clicking on jp+ station building

[crude phoenix]

Which JP+ GRF specifically?

and what's your OpenTTD version?

[late turret]

i have the 14.1 version of OTTD on steam

i just have the JP+ cargo station

[crude phoenix]

JP+ Cargo Stations doesn't provide any roadstops. JP+ Trams and JP+ Suspended Monorails do

[late turret]

oh the jp trams then

[crisp stone]

Could you perhaps send a copy of your savegame?

[late turret]

i like cant open it

like it just borked the entire save

[crude phoenix]

Crash confirmed

JP+ Trams provides a non-track roadstop tile, and I suspect vanilla can't handle that. Works fine in JGRPP though

[royal nimbus]

jp+Trams is also missing a space in the name

I couldn't find anything in the specs for that so probably that

[late turret]

is there a way to make this compatible with vanilla

[royal nimbus]

I thought nml would handle that tho

[crude phoenix]

Wait for a fix or just be careful to avoid clicking on the station buildings category 😛

[late turret]

ok

ill prob just use default stuff for now until its fixed

[royal nimbus]

it crashed for me too

0.60.2

[late turret]

nml does handle non track tiles for train stations but not for the road stations which is odd

[crude phoenix]

that's outdated, works for me in 0.63.2

[royal nimbus]

works for me now that i updated

[crude phoenix]

Just tested, it also works in the vanilla nightly versions

[tidal perch]

I thought that road stations must be traversable?

[crude phoenix]

Turns out they are

[amber totem]

Nothing I see in the nml spec to prevent this unfortunately, so only available advice is don't put this station building the middle of tracks

[crude phoenix]

Might be better to code it as an object

[tidal perch]

hmph

[nova bay]

Merry Christmas!

[amber totem]

Yea, that would prevent this picture, but they would lose part of their function, which is to increase station catchment area.

Making them rail station non track buildings instead has its own issues too

No wonder people haven’t made road stop buildings yet😅

[amber totem]

Released an update to remove this building for now, since there is a crash for some people caused by it

Good news is that it seems to be fixed in the nightly versions

[rigid salmon]

@crude phoenix idk if is intentional or not but you should delete the warning of Japanset3: Trains bc is no longer required

[tidal perch]

oof, I need to update the strings

[crude phoenix]

I knew I forgot something lol

[tidal perch]

😮

[rigid salmon]

i have a question, this parameter is really neccesary rn?, bc of this point
also JP+ Shinkansen has it too

[crude phoenix]

Some people might still choose to run JapanSet 3, as there are still a few trains that aren't in JP+ MU yet

[rigid salmon]

I see

[frozen prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/692413660840198195/1320288872135000065/v0.1.0.png?ex=676b0894&is=6769b714&hm=a082195cd3b3b64a1c71194bb2e3dea48a1e3509914678f62eb1fa597f54fb5c&
I am here to suggest Hiroshima Tramway

[crude phoenix]

Maybe they'll get redone eventually, but in the meantime you can use the old Hiroshima Tram set https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1201729#p1201729

[arctic cargo]

Hello! I wanted to say two things, first and foremost i'm in love with the new JP+ buildings, the houses look adorable.
Second thing is more of a suggestion, while using JP+ tracks I find it quite easy to accidentally build standard gauge track since the icons for narrow and standard are the same. I was wondering if it would make sense to implement some other visual indicator besides the name? Maybe a red SG or something along those lines.

[mossy night]

How close are Japan set 3 vehicles to being fully replaced?

[crude phoenix]

There's a handful of MUs left, latest update just added the e351

And Engines still needs to add the M250

[shrewd wren]

I'll try making the first letter with another colour

[timid spire]

I hope there's JP+ Bus Set and JP+ Truck Set for sure

[crude phoenix]

Someday

[mossy night]

Ahh so its probably a case of only a handful of updates

[amber totem]

Defo on the to do list

[frozen prawn]

[tidal perch]

hmm

[neon light]

iyotetsu update when

just all that they have, train and tram

[plush cliff]

so there seems to be a bug where JP+ private for narrow gauge EMUs dont seem to be appearing when using JP+ tracks

[pulsar solstice]

Disable tracks on JapanSet Train. It will be appeared.

Is there any plan to add Yokosuka-Sobu Rapid service Livery on 113 Series?

https://p.potaufeu.asahi.com/a2ca-p/picture/26597487/c26fab0db3686ab1fe94c885e5edc6be_640px.jpg

With double decker green car

[plush cliff]

i tried it and it still missing

[pulsar solstice]

Are you using JapanSet Track?

[plush cliff]

nope

just JP+ tracks

[crude phoenix]

can you send a save?

it works fine on my end

[crude phoenix]

I'm sure it'll be added someday 🙂

[plush cliff]

oke

[crude phoenix]

You seem to be using an outdated version of JP+ Tracks that's not on Bananas

that's likely your problem

[plush cliff]

ah alright

[pulsar solstice]

nice!

[neon light]

i am very happy 😄

time to use it on a long valley map

[ashen perch]

I came here to ask for this track type

[tidal perch]

Isn't that already in JP+ Tracks?

[neon light]

wouldnt that just come under linear?

[rain ingot]

No this is guided rubber tyre

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Sendai-City-Subway_Tozai-Line-Series2504.jpg/1280px-Sendai-City-Subway_Tozai-Line-Series2504.jpg

Linear is this

[neon light]

yea but its close enough no?

openttd wise

[rain ingot]

??

Absolutely not

[wild geode]

Near enough is not good enough in OpenTTD.

To the labor camps with ye

[neon light]

noooooo

[rain ingot]

It's not even the same technology

[rain ingot]

Wouldn't want people to run kihas on this now do we

[neon light]

i mean

the people want the choice

[rain ingot]

No

There are lines you shouldn't cross

Next you're suggesting allowing normal trains on maglev tracks

[shrewd wren]

It's in the plans, has its id reserved and almost drawn.
It awaits Sapporo metro update for JP+ Private

[bleak karma]

A Monorail rubber tyred metro

[wild geode]

million years gulag

[rain ingot]

That's clearly the same as standard gauge linear motor

[bleak karma]

It may seem that way to some

[rain ingot]

So we've learned

[kindred karma]

literally only 7 trains

unless you count prototype

is jacobs boogie possible in openttd

[royal nimbus]

Kinda

[crude phoenix]

Sure, but all GRFs I've ever seen just cut the bogie in half

Making it actually overlap would be a pain to code and probably glitchy too

speaking of which, the DMT in JP+ Engines kinda does that

[tidal perch]

I read that "DMV in JP+ Engines" 😝

[ashen perch]

here the smaller ones from hiroshima

[shrewd wren]

Astram and other similar networks would be implemented as trams

There goes a lot of systems like Yurikamome, Osaka nanko line and many others

[ashen perch]

I coded this little bad boy as a train

[shrewd wren]

cursed 😛

[peak zinc]

OK, so I jumped onto this train and I have an good idea

how about making an crossover episode with xUSSR in the form of and Sakhalin train addon set?

Some Kihas 58 (?) briefly operated there, under the designation K-1 or K-01 if I recall correctly

[nova bay]

And D2

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ソ連運輸通信省D2系気動車
sadly no English, but this is also imported from Japan

[peak zinc]

YES, but sadly these don't run anymore too...

[buoyant swan]

XUSSR and JP+ could not be further apart in scale

But as part of JP+ it could be cool

[peak zinc]

The crossover episode everybody wants but nobody expects?

[peak zinc]

not so true...

compare russian and japanese loading gauges

[buoyant swan]

Scale, as in openttd scale

XUSSR uses the longest sprites of all trainsets in game

[peak zinc]

||Which makes it hard 2 use||

[buoyant swan]

JP+ uses something closer to the original

[peak zinc]

but the sakhalin trains are smaller than most in russia

becouse the lines have smaller loading gauge and track gauge

[buoyant swan]

Real life scaling is different, I think you're misunderstanding me

[peak zinc]

yes, I do understand that

in the JP+ set shinkansens are similer in size to the 1067mm trains

but IRL thay are much larger

IRL thay seem larger than most 1435mm trains, thay seem comparable to US or russian trains

[buoyant swan]

Their loading gauge is wide yeah but I think it should either just be an addition to JP+ or an addition to XUSSR lol

[mossy night]

^^

Crossover between grfs don’t work

Unless they’re to the same scale

And alignment, andy

[gusty stirrup]

Yeah the Soviet trains are absolutely massive compared to other sets

[crude phoenix]

The newest JP+ Engines has a D51 in Sakhalin railway livery 😉

[hallow dune]

i've played around with jp+ tracks a bit and my only complaint is that the shinkansen tracks can't carry high speed trains from most other train sets, despite having "disable currents" parameter enabled, but i'm not sure if this is the fault of the train sets for not setting the proper labels.

[shrewd wren]

I'll look into it

[peak zinc]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/911_dl.JPG

Series 911

perheps whan we will be getting 1435mm locos...

also some DE10s (?) were for 1435mm gauge too if I recall correctly. and MAYBE some electric locos converted to maintanance duties on lines where the mini shinkansen runs?

also

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Chichibu_railway_deki507_20110606.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bBDv5rZ0Zfk/maxresdefault.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Meitetsu_Type_Deki_305.JPG/460px-Meitetsu_Type_Deki_305.JPG

More private railroad locos?

[neon light]

DeKi locos my beloved

we need more chichibu

[peak zinc]

Isn't the DeKi designation crused?

De (==Mo) is electric car

Ki is diesel car

For me using only De (without any other fuction classiffication like Ha = 2nd class or Ro = 1st class) would be much more sensible

[peak zinc]

Thay re-use letters, for a couple of meanings...

oh, no...........

although I have seen evan some smol shunters 2 axle ones with destignations DeKi...

[crude phoenix]

Those are all on the list for sometime in the future 🙂

[crude phoenix]

There was the 912 which was a regauged DD13

I'm not aware of any regauged electric stuff but info is hard to find

[peak zinc]

educated gues...

[pale timber]

I was told there's Iron Horse support planned for JP+ tracks, is there an eta on that?

[wild geode]

It works right now

It's only metro that has issues currently.

[crude phoenix]

Not fully, the IH metros don't run on the JP+ third rail tracks

[pale timber]

right, I forgot to specify metros, sorry

[shrewd wren]

I'll try to patch it up today

[shrewd wren]

@pale timber Done. Grab an update from bananas

[pale timber]

Tysm!

[shrewd wren]

A small evening-tea grf I've made
Adds just 2 roads and nothing on top

[tidal perch]

hmm

Can road tiles read its one way status?

[tidal perch]

At least road stops cannot read that

[shrewd wren]

Don't think they can.
But it doesn't matter, one-ways are for dedicate avenues anyway

[crude phoenix]

Aw yes the scramble crossings and the + signs

[hallow dune]

jp+ roads and jp+ buses soon? 👀

[crude phoenix]

No one said anything about buses 🙃

[shrewd wren]

These are two different roads. + is for "district" roads

[shrewd wren]

And no one said soon 😛

[peak zinc]

https://www.pkp-jazda.pl/jr-jazda/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017-7.jpg

https://www.pkp-jazda.pl/jr-jazda/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017-2.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmCZrzGiuVI

I wonder if You know the types?

[crude phoenix]

We have that one - JR Shikoku 8000

[peak zinc]

Just as I thought

I have seen photos of these, but in other livery

https://www.pkp-jazda.pl/jr-jazda/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Kontakt.jpg

hmmmm. I wonder what is this

Some art installation, but about what?

all these photos were from an polish railfan club trip to japan a couple years ago

Sadly It is not possible to view photos from google photos albums....

https://www.pkp-jazda.pl/jr-jazda/galeria/

there were a couple more interesing photos

eg. some loco-hueled train

red electric loco EDsomething
And blue coaches with reclining seats

And...

An sticker/decail of an DACHSHUND dog on the side....

[kindred karma]

fujikyu 2000 (JNR 165 Panorama Express Alps)
nichijo
HTR600RW

https://www.nichijo.jp/product/kidou/htr600rw.html

https://mcdb.sub.jp/ct/02_mcr/nichijo/htr600r/htr600rw/

[kindred karma]

post box
KuMoYuNi 74

[peak zinc]

meme time!

Panorama coach in Poland be like:

https://memy.pl/show/big/uploads/Post/200703/15221400254216.jpg

[crude phoenix]

I don't see how this is relevant to JP+

please keep it on topic

[peak zinc]

OK

I will not litter this topic

[peak zinc]

Hmmmmm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_High_Speed_Rail

Wikipedia says that some DD14s and DD16s were reguaged for 1435mm for operation on Taivan...

Also, how about liveries from export versions of shinkanses that were exported to Taivan and PRC?

also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_Change_Train

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_on_Train

[crude phoenix]

I thought about doing the gauge change train once

Maybe prototype/experimental stuff will get added to JP+ Shinkansen someday

[peak zinc]

I really wonder what locos thay wanted to use with the 2nd proporsal...

[crude phoenix]

I think it would have been a cargo EMU similar to the M250

This was an early proposal for a cargo Shinkansen

[rain ingot]

Ooh did they quit when they found out there's no market for fast freight, only for consistent freight?

[crude phoenix]

Probably something like that

[peak zinc]

YES YES YES

I love it!

[wild geode]

Gib

[crisp stone]

Please don't add this

[shrewd wren]

I agree with everybody here

[crude phoenix]

It's a Shinkansen so it's not my job 🤷‍♂️

[crisp stone]

That's the spirit 😛

[kindred karma]

too much construction cost

[rain ingot]

Wdym

[kindred karma]

https://web.archive.org/web/20130801092524/https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/s/article/2013072990070009.html

According to Ishii, JNR created blueprints for freight handling stations and acquired land in four locations: Shinagawa Ward, Tokyo; Aoi Ward, Shizuoka City; Nakamura Ward, Nagoya City; and Settsu City, Osaka Prefecture. However, the construction costs of the Tokaido Shinkansen, which were initially estimated at just under 200 billion yen, ballooned to 380 billion yen due to rapid inflation, and although the company received a loan of 80 million dollars (equivalent to 28.8 billion yen at the time) from the World Bank, it was forced to abandon freight transport.```

google translated

[rain ingot]

Oh they wanted to build an entirely new line

I was thinking of eating up capacity on the existing line

Didn't know this

[bleak glade]

I klnow night freight was considered on the shinkansen too but they realised they needed that time to run maintance and test trains so freight couldnt fit in

didnt know about the seperate line either

[kindred karma]

passenger and and cargo is supposed to run on same line (shinkansen) unless you meant tokaido shinkansen was originally extension of tokaido main line

[peak zinc]

likely thay ment to run goodstrains elongside passenger trains on the same tracks, but with overtaking sections due to diffrent speeds

Also the stations itself would have been an bit investment

[nova bay]

Some limited expresses are operated on “freight line” in a quad-track line system

Again, because conventional line trains in Japan are not as fast as 1435-regions. A few can make 130km/h. Mostly 95-120.

[peak zinc]

Still, with good scheadueling and high horesepower motors express trains can cover long distances quickly

It's mostly to operate as fast as possible for most of time

[nova bay]

It’s not the case outside of metropolitan areas, especially in Hokkaido. Esashi Line (Dounan Isabiri Tetsudo) has a official speed limit of 100. Someone post a video about riding the train. Speed capped at 70. And trains could be often delayed due to heavy snow. Sounds not like Japan.

[peak zinc]

Sounds like Poland today

Due to snow some trains had up to 11 hours delay!

[merry token]

Talking about the freight Shinkansen, here is a livery repaint idea on twitter.

https://x.com/usoden_0/status/1841351694413889876

日 本 鉄 道/u s o d e n (@usoden_0) on X

好評につき貨物専用新幹線誕生
#ウソ電

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 5:37 AM

[peak zinc]

https://www.tt-board.de/forum/data/attachments/415/415925-4e5d203049004fee8a7354522dd35c29.jpg

Ideas for alternative 0 series paintjobs!

Or... What can one make with company colours

Were there IRL any 0 series with the dot on the nose (like the white-red one here)

[bleak karma]

the very first 0 series trains actually had these translucent nose cones

[peak zinc]

WOW

I guess thay moved to non-translucent due to costs

[mossy night]

Why?

[peak zinc]

I also wonder why

[crude phoenix]

No coloured nosecone that I'm aware of, but there was this design with stripes around the headlights

[peak zinc]

Wow, thay apeer to be more variations than I was aware of

[nova bay]

I am curious about can non-Japanese JP+ developers actually write (not in the way of drawing) kanji

[peak zinc]

I don't think so, it seems to be an hard-to-learn alphabeth...

Not similer to anything used in Europe...

[crude phoenix]

I only know katakana lol, just enough to be able to google stuff like コキフ

[peak zinc]

God, this looks like egyptian hierogruhps to me...

(I do not want to offend anyone)

[rain ingot]

I know some Japanese, which includes some Kanji

I once passed the JLPT N4 exam

[rain ingot]

Also I recommend looking up what Hieroglyphics look like because you've obviously never seen them

[shrewd wren]

For me it's like 311 kanjis that I can write that I've leart for now (anki helps with exact number lol)

[rain ingot]

I'd probably manage 50-100

[peak zinc]

Couple years ago I learned cyrylic script

it took me one week

it is easy

[peak zinc]

God... How many are there?

[pallid shell]

about 2k used in newspaper and such, much more in literature

[rain ingot]

I would've known about 400 at the time

But I forgot most of them

Reading is a lot easier too

I just don't really have a reason to study Japanese nowadays so I haven't for many years

[crisp stone]

Its so easy to forget I found

I passed the same stuff for school back in the day, had Japanese about 5 hours a week + home study

Now I'm useless

[rain ingot]

Imagine having fun languages in school

[pure mantle]

I've pretty much forgotten how to speak my own native language

though I can still understand it

it really just takes practice, I'm sure I could get back to a native level if I lived there for year

[shrewd wren]

I had a German language teacher who used to throw a piece of chalk at students

[amber totem]

Stop talking, or I’ll start chalking!

[peak zinc]

I had german

I was the only person in the class that genuenly wanted to learn that language

The class was nougthy and bascily made teaching impossible

In fact once thay made the teacher CRY

[pure mantle]

the chalk chucker

[mossy night]

Sounds like French class in the UK

[nova bay]

steam + snowplough?

[crude phoenix]

Old style snowplough is planned

[bleak karma]

https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/キマロキ編成

[kindred karma]

royal train

[peak zinc]

https://cdn3.railf.jp/img/news/2020/12/201201_200_180711.jpg

https://rail.hobidas.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/t0.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/seam_z2-Ar8/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLBmV1lqMfc7DyYpMnckl6MAT57ANQ

I have got no idea what the 1st one is

the 2 nad 3 are tobu railroad limited expresses (series 1720 Deluxe Romancecar and series 100 Spacia)

[shrewd wren]

These are already in JP+private

[peak zinc]

it may be hard to find something that still isn't in this set!

although...

traffic screensaver vehicle picture collection still has some interesting things...

EH66?

an 2 section loco with cabines like in EF66-0

but the drawing/sprite is SMOL

[neon light]

first one is tobu 200/250 series

[neon light]

this hanwa line 70 series is bugged

[peak zinc]

hmmmmm

[peak zinc]

After purchase series DD51 looks like an default SL

[nova bay]

there must be something wrong...

[peak zinc]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/7/7c/ED95_1_Impression.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20231218110252

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/6/62/ED30_1_1963.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20231218235253

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/8/89/ED30_1_2005.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20231219001546

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/9/98/ED54_2_1926.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20231217112415

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/e/e4/DD53_2_2006.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20231213230020

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/d/da/DD50_2_5_1975.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20231215080440

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/4/46/DD54_33_2013.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20231229031745

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/8/83/DF93_1_1960s.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20231215110422

enough for today, but there are some cool locos missing

[crude phoenix]

That's an ED55, we have that

many of the others are on the todo list

[peak zinc]

perheps the most interesting of imported electric locos...

EC10 or whatever it was called (that smol gray one) is interesting too

[crude phoenix]

Ah, that's some code that broke because you're in year 5000000

[peak zinc]

I generically use that to check vehicles in sets

[crude phoenix]

I can fix it, it probably doesn't have a fallback set properly

usually they'll default back to the original livery after 9999

[peak zinc]

so, it's something like year 2k bug

That the variable comes back to lowest setting

[shrewd wren]

You can completely avoid this "bug" by making "default:" instead of "x..9999" in livery switch
At least for the new engines, as I don't think it's worth it to fix anyway

[peak zinc]

it's not an bug, it's just the way it is programmed

[crude phoenix]

I know, most other engines have a default fallback

[shrewd wren]

ah nice

[crisp stone]

howd you do that

[neon light]

its on jgr s3

i found it

[neon light]

well thats a bug

year is 1970

415 also appears under it

unless this is a problem on my end

[tidal perch]

hay lads https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/359

[restive meteor]

What is the best weight multiplier for freight for JP+?

[nova bay]

This might be the case when using JP+MU and JP+Shinkansen “Japan Set Removal” at the same time…

[crisp stone]

If you tell me where I’ll look into it

[crisp stone]

Love it

[neon light]

Tobetsu Rapid #49 JNR Northern District

[crude phoenix]

Most freight wagons are already double their realistic capacity for gameplay purposes, so I tend to stick to 1 or 2x

[amber totem]

Thanks for reporting. It’s something to do with the IDs of these particular trains

[neon light]

ah

[amber totem]

Gonna remove this parameter in the next update

With the launch of Tracks and the update to Engines, JP+ shouldn’t really be used with JapanSet Trains

[peak zinc]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/8/84/Shinkansen_Class_941_Profile.png/revision/latest?cb=20171214084832

Emergency relief train whatever it means

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/0/0c/E926_S51_2023.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230805055240

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/e/ed/STAR21_S5_1990s.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230810000314

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/7/7e/E954_S9_Publicity.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230831142800

I have seen this thing on the television whan I was little (about 2005?)

It not only freaked me out, but also I thought that the airbrakes are pantographs...

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/a/a8/SuperHikariModel.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230927073943

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/8/86/SuperHikariModel.png/revision/latest?cb=20230927073519

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/a/a8/SuperHikariModel.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20230927073943

Super Hikari

ealry design concept for 300 series

[nova bay]

I am pretty sure 711 isn't 1435 gauge...

[peak zinc]

Good luck finding sources about that that are not in japanese...

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/1/15/Shinkansen_Class_1000_calendar.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171207143125

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/0/01/E991_Chūō_1994.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20180320135730

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/8/8c/ED38_1_2017.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240322152435

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/4/49/ED31_3_2023.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20240322021928

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/5/54/ED32_1_1981.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20240322023639

[late snow]

my man, instead of spammin gthis channel with images of japanese trains, you can just go onto github and request these trains

keep this channel clear for like actual JP+ related activities

[peak zinc]

I try to post photos of those that are not included yet

[late snow]

request them on the github of JP+

[peak zinc]

and yeah...

it seems that the number of locomotive and MU classes in Japan is HUGE

[late snow]

they will forget or miss looking at them if you put them in here

github is like the thing for that

and please put like several trains in 1 github issue and do not make 1 github issue per train

[peak zinc]

later adjusting all parameters for gameplay will be an nightmare...

I will stop trainposting for now

[crude phoenix]

Yeah the spam is not necessary, I'm already aware of most of them and they're on a far future todo list

One off prototypes and obscure private locos just aren't a high priority 🙂

[peak zinc]

that locomotive wikka also notes some never build standard gauge prewar designs, both steam and electric...

also I wonder what is with that EH66...

Unbuild design/proporsal?

Somebodys fantasy?

[crude phoenix]

First I've heard of it, so presumably someone's fantasy

[peak zinc]

I posted the drawing somwehere in this topis

[crude phoenix]

I did see it yes

[thorny current]

old Shinkansen designs really look like thunderbirds shit

[peak zinc]

thay are much cooler than the current ones...

[neon light]

Osaka metro 1000 type has some pink pixels below the rear coach in this rotation

[calm zephyr]

is it possible to introduce low-grade versions of the electrified railways in JP+ Tracks? low-grade railways are the only ones which don't have the full-tile ballast, and right now there's only wooden, concrete, and slab versions so it's impossible to get electrified railways which do not have the full-tile ballast

[shrewd wren]

Narrow ballast setting will be a thing, but it requires to finish my modular photoshop track constructor first

[calm zephyr]

alright

[nova bay]

I don't wanna spam, but http://eclipse.star.gs/railroad/kumamoto/misumi3.jpg
More KiHa

[mossy night]

Yellow trains always look cool

[peak zinc]

anything can became an technical maintanance train, just paint it yellow!

[open falcon]

Found a misaligned sprite (in an otherwise outstanding train set) 🙂

[peak zinc]

if we could get an jumping up and down sprite behaviour it could look cool, as an train running on old, poorly maintained track

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/36420d0e-0591-47b7-a1d2-174ec7ac4b72/ddlvvn3-8f81501b-3a36-4405-af4d-9bef0d9d1c88.jpg/v1/fit/w_623,h_441,q_70,strp/ef65_and_5coaches_by_semihiro51_ddlvvn3-375w-2x.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NDQxIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvMzY0MjBkMGUtMDU5MS00N2I3LWExZDItMTc0ZWM3YWM0YjcyXC9kZGx2dm4zLThmODE1MDFiLTNhMzYtNDQwNS1hZjRkLTliZWYwZDlkMWM4OC5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9NjIzIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.zbVi_ksfB10btXGxCKYCg1jRT8T2QLs5YrG_2qqngGs

on uneven track coaches jumap or sway on sides like ducks

[crude phoenix]

That might be better implemented in a patch rather than a NewGRF

[tidal perch]

That's possible using newgrfs 🙂

animation_counter % magic number, 0 -> xxx, 1 -> xxx

[crude phoenix]

Yeah, but it would be a lot of work for such a gimmicky feature

[shrewd wren]

Trains already kinda bounce when zoomed out

[peak zinc]

yes, ideed, but such effect on 1x view would be cool

[peak zinc]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61dvBk4M8cL.jpg

now that looks smart

[crude phoenix]

Probably the least cursed fake livery

[arctic cargo]

Are there any plans for more JP+ objects like schools, hospitals and station buildings?

[crisp stone]

Yes

[amber totem]

There’s no shortage of plans, just time

[arctic cargo]

Good to know! Thanks

[arctic cargo]

Not sure if you are accepting things like this but I drew Hino station and thought y'all might want to use it in some future GRF, if you are interested tell me and I'll send you the appropiate file and make a snowy version.

[crude phoenix]

This is cute 🙂 I'm sure we can find a place for it eventually

[arctic cargo]

Good! I'll make the snowy variant tomorrow then

[peak cargo]

that looks really good btw

[kindred karma]

ndc series
third sector generic ass dmu

[arctic cargo]

Thank you! It was really good roof practice and im quite happy with how it turned out.

[arctic cargo]

Here is the snowy version as I promised

[pure mantle]

where is my flying car shikoku shinkansen

including a hoyo strait bridge, as if the rest of the plan wasn't bonkers enough

what really distresses me though is that they've included the insets at the bottom right for remote islands...

[peak cargo]

tbf, they normally do that to show that this is the only map, and there's not a second set somewhere else

[pure mantle]

oh yeah and I think it's just their standard map as well

this is from far beyond the days of computer design so those customisations aren't trivial (see the old style of romanisation too - "Sinkansen" and "Koti")

i've shown this before but this whole book (which i've spent some time splicing all 50 sections together into a 200MB file...) is excellent

even if the colours are a little washed out (this is a map of the frequency of all the railways in Japan in 1989)

[torn tree]

Guys, I found a problem. Many popular Newgrf do not seem to pay much attention to the production of sleeping trains.

Although I know JP+ has done a very good job of examining the blue train.

But from my personal point of view, is there a way to make the history and culture of the sleeper train well represented in openTTD?

Such as sleeper trains from Tokyo to Kyushu and Hokuriku, and sleeper trains from Ueno to Hokkaido?

[rain ingot]

What do you have in mind?

[mossy night]

Sleeper trains are cool yeah

They’re something i plan to include in my set too

[crude phoenix]

I plan to eventually include more auto-formations for famous sleeper trains such as Ginga and Hokutosei

[nova bay]

The rear car of 20 series is like a "bald head"...

[torn tree]

What is the name of the famous sleeper train from Osaka to Sapporo? (The train went to Sapporo instead of Tokyo via the Hokuriku region) I forgot a bit, but the body was a very advanced green and yellow, which is very similar to the Chinese sleeper train livery.

I remember back in the day JP+ made content about this sleeper train, but I don't know why I can't see it anymore.

[crude phoenix]

The green and yellow one is the Twilight Express, it's a WIP 🙂

It was in original JapanSet but I haven't finished redrawing it yet

[torn tree]

Wow, thank you so much

[torn tree]

Well 👌, I'm very pleased to see that JP+ is moving in a more holistic direction.

[gusty stirrup]

In the North American passenger set, there are sleeper cars, passenger cars with lower capacity since beds take up more space than seats. Slower age speed also

Same with the Soviet set

[torn tree]

The xUSSR lacks dining cars, and I have to mention that the sleeper train system in the former Soviet Union and Russia is very complicated.

However, xUSSR still produced many famous sleeper trains, such as the "Red Arrow" sleeper train between Moscow and St. Petersburg, and the "Sochi" sleeper train between Moscow and Sochi.

[gusty stirrup]

Yeah remember watching documentaries of sleeper trains Moscow-Beijing/Vladivostok and their different qualities of sleeper car service depending on travel class

[torn tree]

I know that. A lot of Chinese railway fans are looking forward to getting this train back in service.

[torn tree]

There are two trains from Beijing to Moscow, one is the K3/4 train operated by CR, which passes through Mongolia. One is train K19/20 operated by RZD, passing through Harbin.

And......

The K3/4 train is very old, using type 18 passenger cars, built in five batches from 1955 to 1995, and the current Beijing to Moscow train seems to use more of the type 18 passenger cars made in the fourth batch.

In 2012, China Railway negotiated with the Russian railway, proposing to replace the old 18 passenger cars with 3 groups of about 40 to 50 advanced customized versions of the 25G passenger trains manufactured by Qingdao Sifang Locomotive Factory.

Russian Railways refused the request, saying that it could not refuel the newly built Chinese air-conditioned power generation cars in Russia.

However, the K19/20 train that RZD is responsible for passing through Harbin uses the newer 61-4179/61-4186/61-4147 passenger cars manufactured by Tver Locomotive Works.

In fact, there are only two differences between the train to Moscow and some railway buses in China: ①K3/4 has no air conditioning. ②Superior soft sleeper with shower facilities.

[shrewd wren]

We appreciate that JP+ gets a lot of attention, but please refrain from talking about non-addon-development topics here.
It is hard to scroll up later for searching the important info about bugs, unique info or features that community wants us to implement.
Thank you in advance 🙂

[torn tree]

This newer batch of 25G coaches is now used on the K23/4 international train from Beijing to Ulaanbaatar.

OK sir.

I will pay attention.

[buoyant swan]

Yeah guys please stay on topic... this isn't a place for info dumping unless you're working on this newgrf

[late snow]

Can I ask the non JP+ people here what you think of the 211 series?

[buoyant swan]

Yes here let me help you

The 211 series (211系, 211-kei) is a suburban electric multiple unit (EMU) train type introduced in 1985 by the Japanese National Railways (JNR). It is operated by East Japan Railway Company (JR East) and Central Japan Railway Company (JR Central). It was formerly operated by West Japan Railway Company (JR-West) in Japan.

Design
The 211 series was developed by JNR to replace older 113 series and 115 series trains. The 211 series incorporated regenerative brakes and stainless steel body construction.

Variants
211-0 series (basic version with transverse seating)
211-1000 series (cold region version with transverse seating)
211-2000 series (basic version with all longitudinal seating)
211-3000 series (cold region version with all longitudinal seating)
211-5000 series (JR Central version)
211-6000 series (JR Central version with single motored car)
Joyful Train variants (JR West version)
Operations
211-0, 211-2000 series
Tōkaidō Main Line and Ito Line: Tokyo – Numazu/Ito (From 1986 - April 2012)
Tōkaidō Main Line: Hamamatsu – Maibara
Chūō Main Line: Tachikawa – Shiojiri
Shinonoi Line: Shiojiri – Shinonoi
Shinetsu Line: Shinonoi – Nagano

[nova bay]

Is it LLM?

[rain ingot]

I don't use it

[open falcon]

Do you coordinate with zyliety on the forums? Seems they’ve released a new Japan object set.

https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1273169#p1273169

[arctic cargo]

Looks cool! Wonder if they'd be interested in implementing more stuff. I'd love to draw more JP+ style buildings.

I had a lot of fun drawing Hino station

[crisp stone]

We do 🙂

Alot of his buildings are also in JP+ Buildings

When I sit down and do JP+ Stations, so will his stations 👀

[tidal perch]

hehe jpp stations

[amber totem]

All the new single houses in the latest JP+ Buildings were by zyliety

[open falcon]

Glad to hear it 🙂

[upper arrow]

JNS Forum (the folks that run a Japanese model train forum) are now running a server with JP+ equipment.

https://discord.gg/BWXHZtPBa8

[crude phoenix]

Oh, Toni Babeloni is there, he was one of the original JapanSet developers

[wild geode]

Wonder what happened to Sanchimaru,

Him and Toni made tonnnnnnes of the original sprites

[finite ore]

So what is the like, current "best" Japanese Town Name GRF? There's several that say they provide Japanese names, and one that is a JP+ Grf but says it's not recommended for use; which one has the largest amount of names?

[tidal perch]

opinions?

[tidal perch]

I see a JP+ townname NewGRF on Bananas hmm idk

[shrewd wren]

seems kinda bright

[tidal perch]

yeah I figured that out too

[bleak glade]

The JP+ Showcase game does use that JP+ Town Names GRF. I would think that either Tin or Kale would know more as they setup that current newgrf list

[shrewd wren]

better
Need to see this in game 😛

[tidal perch]

oof

[arctic cargo]

This looks quite gorgeous

[tidal perch]

im cloning the repo! im cloning the repo!

fd -x rm {}
nice

[arctic cargo]

Is JP+ stations already in the works?

[tidal perch]

I have a WINS station set, but it is not JP+ Stations

I put too much stuff in it, autoformation, passenger detection, etc etc

and it's mostly for me to test out the limitations of a station set

so yeah

[arctic cargo]

Cool!

[tidal perch]

https://preview.redd.it/w8y5le33giw51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0448fa81a481e68c162f9d7abca4452cb54b53ac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AlX2dCrZAU&t=4s

[crude phoenix]

The JP+ one has the most amount of names, but it’s a random generator that makes up fake names

The other ones use real lists and can run out on large dense maps

[peak cargo]

Oooh, more jp+ stations?

Those look really good btw

[tidal perch]

im not sure. I'm pretty much just drawing random sprites for now.

[tidal perch]

maybe I should draw one based off Aberdeen SkyTrain station

[tidal perch]

CC for platforms?

[tidal perch]

PSD maybe

[tidal perch]

such

[shrewd wren]

expressways to drive your r34 on (bridges are wip)

[buoyant swan]

hell yeah

[late snow]

What in the simuscape

[arctic cargo]

how?

[shrewd wren]

These are just graphics, vehicles don't drive diagonally

[neon light]

i wish

[arctic cargo]

figured that might be the case but how do these work? are they overlapping objects?

[neon light]

could have much neater looking roads