Ragins Train Sets

[turbid bronze]

narrow guage large lads need a tweakin

[strange quiver]

Riiip

Gimme a sec and I'll fix them

Out getting pizza rn

[elder orchid]

I can get you a whole ass roster of all the unique stuff lol

Electric Freight & Switching
• Class A – Steeplecab electric
• Class B – Boxcab electric
• Class C – Articulated electric freight motor
• Class D – Rebuilt articulated electric
• Class O – Light / industrial electric freight motors

Non-Trolley Electric
• Tri-Motor –Diesel, electric, and battery powered locomotive all at once.

Passenger Electric
• Standard interurban motor cars / MU cars
• Streamliner electric MU trainsets (3-car sets)

General Categories
• Electric freight motors
• Electric passenger motor cars

[strange quiver]

tbf I need a lot more than that

I generally need to know their stats, links to find more information, manufacturers etc

also with a lot of that style of interurban stuff, it's going to have to be somewhat amalgamted because they're often very similar

[strange quiver]

okay I have no idea why this has broken...

it uses the exact same code as the standard gauge version

[elder orchid]

I can get stats and info links. The IT stuff was all home built.

[strange quiver]

easy, well the more info means it's more likely I can do it 🙂

worked out the issue, fixing it now

[mental musk]

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=c2fa960110b609f8&udm=2&fbs=ADc_l-aTuuAJ5fCRiMSMSikFOrGF6bdyujK3KN_bbLSQcwMis7fgHPo1G5VQ8tXla0gZ4RMombIFF45EFyhMh1WONYBk4TOjneIBQtPu0CObG12-XL1UWwTFXmeD9rwYQowiTZPs133i8Kkhrnomu2a-dPwlb0titd5X28lYq43etI6Iq7w3sfGbbRxF6azQJrIk08V9i11FMefLQHoYRAiFaXD5qzeQUI7kedJh18n2Pg0JWXuJEwg&q=iowa+traction&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjo95-UysmSAxXwhf0HHV1VOxsQtKgLegQIGxAB&biw=1920&bih=911&dpr=1#sv=CAMSVhoyKhBlLVJjNWxFZm14TkN6c1FNMg5SYzVsRWZteE5DenNRTToOOFRieC0wUXVDd1JPNU0gBCocCgZtb3NhaWMSEGUtUmM1bEVmbXhOQ3pzUU0YADABGAcgx5qk-g0wAkoIEAIYAiACKAI

Iowa traction maybe?

I may be wrong, but looking at the roaster it seems that thay keep previous owners fleet numbers on some of thair locos and electric motor coaches

[strange quiver]

yee, it's on my radar

[strange quiver]

Kinda tweaking the SRA livery to see if I can make it more flexible and I think this works

left is new, right is old

previously white was CC1 and the body was CC2, but I changed it so the body is CC1 and the stripe is CC2

looks good on the V-sets

[severe elbow]

love it

[signal gate]

@strange quiver (when you get back to wagons), I've made the Horse refits copy-pasteable https://grf.farm/iron-horse/4.11.1/html/code_reference.html#CoveredHopperCarType1

[strange quiver]

oh perfect, that's really helpful

thanks!

[haughty pollen]

Will you keep both as variants?

[elder orchid]

Yes the shovelnose! Last interurban ever built.

It ran 3 cars as needed too so a bit more coding would be needed to add the single, two, and three car configurations

[strange quiver]

nah, I don't have id space to include both liveries

[mental musk]

Don't I spy jacobs bogeys on both of these?

[versed sparrow]

Yep that's correct

The red one had a top speed of 110 mph

Although i do wonder how they can achieve that

[signal gate]

"marketing"

[versed sparrow]

Yeah prob

Ok so they did achieve 110 mph but due to the north shore rule and safety so they were limited to 90 mph

[strange quiver]

doing some more livery testing and this works really well for the SRA scheme

[versed sparrow]

Wouldn't it be funny if these were coded as trams and have a top speed of 110 mph 🤣

[strange quiver]

also added a random switch for the red/grey roof ones

couldn't decide which version to include so now it's random 🙂

[versed sparrow]

I love these

[strange quiver]

also just realised doing the SRA scheme this way means it works better with these curtain vans

[elder orchid]

Not on the ITC ones.

I’m gonna get a Google Docs folder set up with interurban stuff for ya @strange quiver

[strange quiver]

easy

[elder orchid]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xP7Jmn9jzFRJbCUTMfci-eSet5-xTVP_/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=102392822041749449777&rtpof=true&sd=true
I’ll get the prototype reference photos kinda added tomorrow

Could be trimmed a bit I suppose lol

[strange quiver]

needs perms to view it

[mental musk]

90mph is still CRAZY fast, both for an interurban and for it's times...

[strange quiver]

haven't posted about it much, but I have been going through and updating some of the old subway car sprites

accidently did an R42 when doing the R44, so now there's both

also turns out the R68s were delivered as single cars, so that's been corrected now

[elder orchid]

Fixed it!

[strange quiver]

found a better way to do the V/Line orange liveries and put it on the X classes

also the new system I've been using for NML makes doing new liveries so much easier

[strange quiver]

might tweak these more actually... but that's tomorrows problem

[dawn veldt]

not sure if a note was made yet, but i noticed Iron and Cole show up blue in the hoppers for NARP. using AXIS 2.3.0

[strange quiver]

yee, already fixed it 🙂

[strange quiver]

NZ liveries seem to work well

[severe elbow]

if nzheart was an emoji i would be using that rn

[strange quiver]

we should add one lmao

[mental musk]

love the orange one

[strange quiver]

new flat wagons using far too many sprite stacks

the base flatcar has the stakes, bulkheads, and cargos layed together

so it's only a few sprites, but... it means the same few sprites can be used for 4 new wagons

[haughty pollen]

Now you're getting it

still not as bad as the JP+ container wagons 😛

[strange quiver]

oooh? what did you do for them?

[haughty pollen]

7 layers 😅

wagon, 4 separate containers, handrail, taillights

[strange quiver]

lmao, imagine doing 7 layers, not me...

god my container wagons are gonna be stacked a concerning amount...

[signal gate]

if you do double stacks you need a mask layer

for the well

or you slice the container, but that's silly

[strange quiver]

yee, that's something I'll have to tackle at some point

I do have some ideas of how I wanna do it, but rn I'm gonna try and get the open wagon code done

[mental musk]

maybe add diffrent shades and colours (rusty/brown, black and gray) of the flat bed, in an randomised matter?

[strange quiver]

that's the plan (except for the randomisation)

[mental musk]

randomisation would make consist formation easier

(in my opinion)

[strange quiver]

I'll consider it in future, rn the priority is just getting the barebones working

[strange quiver]

annoyingly, my stupid idea for doing open wagons has worked, but somehow I've stuffed the stack order for specifically certain cargoes and flipped vehicles?

oddly enough, it only seems to want to work with sprites that I stole from horse? if I stole it from JP+ it stops working?

[haughty pollen]

Huh strange

which JP+ sprites did you steal? I already stole some cargo graphics from Horse

[strange quiver]

yeah it's 100% stuff I knicked from JP+

[signal gate]

the pink is quite similar to the Horse mask layers

[strange quiver]

basically everything except those large pipes and logs

the base sprites for the open cars are directly knicked from horse, but that's just for testing

[strange quiver]

yee, it's because I knew I would stuff something and this makes it's obvious

[signal gate]

ah ok

[strange quiver]

maybe you guys might be able to spot something obvious

I'm stumped

everything else works everywhere else

it's just when it sees non-horse stuff it's doesn't draw the front of the car?

[haughty pollen]

So is the Horse and JP+ stuff different somehow?

[strange quiver]

it shouldn't be, that's the thing

oh actually...

they are on two separate sprite sheets?

but that shouldn't change anything?

but the load for the bulk cargo is also on a separate spreadsheet and it doesn't work either

[haughty pollen]

I don't fully understand your code, why do you have separate CargoStack and RearStack?

[strange quiver]

tbh idk either atm

I think I did it ages ago and just haven't changed it

lemme simplify it and see if it helps

[haughty pollen]

Yeah you should only need one stack switch

My container wagons used to have some weird nested thing but I simplified it too

[strange quiver]

actually... all the ones that don't work involve a recolour, so it's something to do with that?

[haughty pollen]

Seems likely, but I thought that was a solved problem

[strange quiver]

maybe you can't draw sprites over a recolour?

changed the draw order and it's fixed

so I guess you can't 🙁

yep, stops working with my other wagons too

[signal gate]

Horse probably isn't a good reference point here, the Horse cargos are drawn at compile time, not in layers

[haughty pollen]

Oh that's right, the sprite stacks needed to be split up to work with both CC and cargo recolour https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPengines/blob/3353126d0fe7fab8537607d94769c8202e59447c/src/freight/open_toki25000.pnml#L382

[strange quiver]

hnnnnnnnnnnnnng

alright, I'll get on that then

I'm not sure that's the fix, since I use the same code with my open hoppers and it works fine

I think the issue is more that I'm drawing another sprite on top of one that is being recoloured

[haughty pollen]

Ohh that makes sense, the JP+ open wagon does it much more simply, the cargo sprites get cut off at the bottom instead of adding a separate layer for the front wall, which is why I didn't have that problem

[strange quiver]

yeah...

that's annoying

and idk if any other set has done something similar to me, so idk if there's a solution

I'm hoping there is one otherwise I have to re-do my plans for stuff

[haughty pollen]

I could do some experimentation

I've been wanting to code my covered metal carriers soon anyway, which would involve exactly that issue

[strange quiver]

ah perfect then

let me know if you can find a work around, it'd be really helpful

[haughty pollen]

ok, maybe this weekend 🙂

[strange quiver]

🙁

valid

but yh, I didn't realise how late it is so I need to sleep lmao

[haughty pollen]

Good idea, sleeping on it often helps

[strange quiver]

yeeeee

worst case, tomorrow I can work on more locomotives lmao

at least they're simple

[vestal minnow]

https://www.trains.com/pro/mechanical/passenger-cars/amtrak-offers-first-look-at-airo-equipment/

New equipment for the Amtrak cascades unveiled

[mint cargo]

@strange quiver could you add again the "goofy" stock on NARP Locos and EMUs, i really like use that "Amtrak Superliner EMU", but not find them on new update as some other ones. Or you planning made a separate release on them?

[strange quiver]

I'm still deciding what I want to do with them

priority for the most part is real stuff

[mint cargo]

Understand. Is that i really like the new ones and want to mix them if existing networks i have been building and use the fictional stock too. Ok

[strange quiver]

yee, we'll see

priority atm is moving to Australian stuff anyway

[strange quiver]

new narrow gauge WA locos just dropped

seemingly they're a dual-cab version of the earlier MPI MP33C

[strange quiver]

got tarps working aaaa

these were really annoying because I needed a second stack layer on top of the normal open car stack that detects cargos that require a tarp

now I just need to tweak the tarp colours

also I need to weak the base open wagon sprite so it's not just a direct rip from horse lmao

[turbid bronze]

Looks awesome. I can probably live without livery recolours on the wagons themselves a little bit with stuff like tarp or loaded cargo variations.

[strange quiver]

well you'll get them regardless lmao 🙂

[turbid bronze]

hahahah

[strange quiver]

although they're just gonna be basic, so CC1, blue, brown, red, etc

[turbid bronze]

I mean, I want them all but yeah

[strange quiver]

I did also notice that if you zoom out, on one angle the base is visible too

[strange quiver]

well it should be pretty easy

[strange quiver]

I'm gonna need to sus out how to deal with this first...

[turbid bronze]

looks like layered sprites don't all get consistently remapped to the zoomed out levels

might actually be an openttd bug tbh

[strange quiver]

tbh probably

[turbid bronze]

are all the sprite layers the exact same sprite size?

[strange quiver]

but when I get around to it, I'll just change the base layer to something a less obvious

[strange quiver]

yee, same size same template

and it's only this angle and zoom level that has the issue

[turbid bronze]

coz stuff like this usually uses sampling to decide in a 2x2 grid of pixels which one pixel will represent the four

so if they're different sizes it could not consistently line up

[strange quiver]

that could be it then...

not much I could do to fix it then

[turbid bronze]

it should be consistent per layer though, not random

I'd probably just double check the final sprite sizes in game for that angle

if they are all the same it feels like it's a bug that should be fixed

[haughty pollen]

It's always been kinda inconsistent, at least for different vehicles in the same train. One fix would be to just get rid of the magenta pixels

[strange quiver]

yee, that's what I'll do

but yh, it's probably an openttd bug so there's not much I can do

[strange quiver]

filled up on fairy bread and I've had my fill of Gran Turismo 4, so I'm gonna do some code cleanup and do liveries

[turbid bronze]

enjoying unemployed life while it lasts?

[strange quiver]

no, I just bought too many 100 and 1000s 🙁

I bought half a kilo of them from costco

[turbid bronze]

Lmao

free will maxing

[strange quiver]

yeee

although I might be starting on monday, depends on how long it takes them to get the paperwork done

[turbid bronze]

born to goof, forced due to economic circumstances to lock in

what a mood

[strange quiver]

tbf I like working

[turbid bronze]

I mean so do i

[strange quiver]

I like my funny job where I start fights with developers and politicians

[turbid bronze]

but i'd rather have the money and not work 😛

[strange quiver]

valid

I think even if I had the money I'd still work

otherwise I'd go insane

[turbid bronze]

yeah probably

I'd probably do different work though

probably start my own business to build high performance networks and compute/storage solutions for non profits and other orgs trying to ball on a budget

[strange quiver]

that's valid

I'd proobably do the same thing I am now, but that's because I like planning stuff 🙂

[strange quiver]

yee, that's valid

[turbid bronze]

but I do enjoy my job

[strange quiver]

and that's what matters

at least in my opinion lmao

[turbid bronze]

the money helps

[strange quiver]

yeee

god it's gonna be nice having money from this new job

if I play my cards right I could easily be top tax bracket by the time I'm 30 which is exciting

although getting to 30 isn't so exciting, but meh

[strange quiver]

lots of colours 🙂

you can pretend to be WAGR and paint everything yellow for no discernable reason

[elder orchid]

650k a year? Damn….

[strange quiver]

What? no? Top tax bracket in Australia is 180k

[elder orchid]

Ohhh

Still

Not bad at all

[strange quiver]

yeeeeeeee 🙂

[turbid bronze]

get dat bread

[strange quiver]

just gotta make senoir planner lmao

[elder orchid]

I’m kinda dreaming I can pull off 100k+ out of law school but who knows these days. Need to buy model trains and all lol

[strange quiver]

just depends on the market where you are

I'm just lucky there's a massive shortage of planners and no one does it lmao

[signal gate]

@strange quiver maybe not now, but do you want to use FRAX classes? 👀

[strange quiver]

iirc I already am

or at the very least I've been basing my cargo labels off it

[signal gate]

(I was reading the open wagon code)

[strange quiver]

ah fair

the cargolabels came directly from horse iirc

[signal gate]

there's CC_BULK and friends in the cargo switches

[strange quiver]

oh, yh, I'll have to fix that then

[signal gate]

what sprite is shown for CC_BULK? (in the current code)

and what sprite is shown for CC_COVERED? (in the current code)

[strange quiver]

Its bulk recolour

[strange quiver]

Generally its a tarp

[signal gate]

wonder what switch_generic_recolour does

is it a list of labels?

[strange quiver]

Iirc it is, with a fallback to blue if its not recognised

[signal gate]

blue to look like a tarp?

[strange quiver]

Nah, blue as just a fallback to make it clear its not working

And then I can fix it

[signal gate]

does that mean every bulk cargo label has to be added and supported 👀

[strange quiver]

Yee, but its only once so its not too difficult

[strange quiver]

primer only 44

I should do it...

[strange quiver]

goes hard in game

might do a few more liveries while I'm at it

[haughty pollen]

I like it, has old amtrak vibes

[strange quiver]

I guess

although I've got no idea why they did this, guessing it was just because they ran out of paint?

also there was this 44 which was funny

a friend told me that after repainting, staff put VR logos on it because they thought it was funny, but had to take them off because the managers got upset

but yh, 44s look good in different liveries

[mental musk]

white primer?

We use brown

[mental musk]

reminds me of an story of an 3-colour SU45.

Guys at the depot had to finish out cans of yellow and red paint.

But the loco worked briefly in this paint job becouse the bosses did not liked it becouse thay thought it does not complain with the visual identity

https://wrphoto.eu/data/media/35/19990905_Wegliniec_SU45-154.jpg

[haughty pollen]

Huh, I never knew the 44 got painted like that, it does look very VR-y

[strange quiver]

yee, it was only a one off, and iirc it was a test for a freightcorp livery

[severe elbow]

Brown? We use green

[mental musk]

brownish-red

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTspRGhWCdS0OncZyaBQ0i1SPww2-v_ikAJ-Q&s

https://ilostan.forumkolejowe.pl/foto/67473.jpg

[strange quiver]

NSW 442/SAR 700, NSW 80, and NSW 85 classes done

with added disclaimer so you don't break it 🙂

[strange quiver]

base sprites for the NSW 81, VR G, and AN BL class done

[strange quiver]

quick one, but 42220 done

it was a rebuilt with a new alternator and creep control system as a testbed for lightweight SD50 series locomotives, and the later NSW 81 class locos

tbh I kinda don't know what to do with rebuilds since often the difference is minimal

rn I've got their IDs separate, but then sorted into the correct place in the roster (so 42220 comes after the 80 class), but I might change it so they appear after the locomotive type they're rebuilt from?

[haughty pollen]

Nested variants 😛

[strange quiver]

maybe...

[strange quiver]

"We have F40s at home"

[turbid bronze]

uh oh, fucky wucky

[strange quiver]

ah fuck what have I done

I stg it was working the other day

okay I've seemingly borked something that I'll have to fix tomorrow

for some reason the purchase sprite isn't updating overtime, and all the issues that I reasonably could have assumed caused it are fine

[haughty pollen]

Wrong length on the commuter car MU wagon, not sure how outdated this is though

[strange quiver]

oh ffs, I worked out the issue

I exported the pantograph layer with the roofs, so it's overlaying on top of the actual roof layer

[strange quiver]

odd, what train is that? I'll see what I can do

[strange quiver]

fixed

[turbid bronze]

\o/

[haughty pollen]

NARP Multiple Units v3

[strange quiver]

are those the MU wagons?

they don't work with single cars, they only work with multiple units

if you want a longer train, you need to add more motor cars

[haughty pollen]

Ah well, the fact that they look like they match misled me 😛

I found an alternative solution

[strange quiver]

yee! I'll have to change it to something more obvious

[strange quiver]

that works!

what coaches are they?

they look like end platforms?

[haughty pollen]

American Coach from ORP 🙂

[strange quiver]

that'll do it lmao

I really do need to start doing coaches for ORP again

thankfully a bunch should be easy to carry over

[strange quiver]

82s done

[strange quiver]

WAGR S Class and Comalco R1005/1006 done 🙂

also I'm a normal woman who is normal about this Rio Tinto livery

[knotty talon]

Ah so found 2+ year old chat about the differences between the ADK and ADB cars in that multiple unit as I was wondering if it had been done already. From what I remember of them, the ADB had 2 doors and the ADK had 4, the ADB was a bit shorter in both length and height. Apparently, and this is based on wikipedia, the two cars were built by different companies (K by Commonwealth Engineering and B by the Midland Railway Workshops). After service in Perth, they were bought for use in Auckland where I only rode them twice as they were underpowered for my train line, then to Maputo in Mozambique where they afaik are still in service.

[turbid bronze]

god that looks so good

I'm a sucker for yellow/orange/red in liveries.

G&W's black and orange still holds a close place in my heart

[strange quiver]

yee, it goes hard

shame G&W isn't a thing here anymore

[turbid bronze]

yeah sold to aurizon or something

I stopped dealing with them by the time that happened

once upon a time used to look after their telling bones

[strange quiver]

pretty much

[strange quiver]

oh no 🙂

also, new orange loco done (GML10)

[turbid bronze]

I liked dealing with them honestly, the company I worked for however 😭

[strange quiver]

I imagine it's how I feel when it comes to dealing with politicians

[strange quiver]

also had a go at this BHP livery

kinda wild that what is basically a V/Line N class spent time working ore trains in the pilbara

also I guess you can do a cursed GO Transit livery

[strange quiver]

new big stinky done

Clyde A32D, basically a naturally aspirated DD40A in an F-unit body

it was one of the considerations for the CL class contract, but eventually they bought the AT26C (basically an SD40 in an f-unit body)

also it's another example of clyde doing weird stuff with model numbers

technichally a twin 16-645 should be A52D or A42D, as A32D would indicate twin 16-567s

[turbid bronze]

BIG STINKY

[frosty sand]

Women only want one thing -

[strange quiver]

it's true 🙂

[turbid bronze]

we want big stinking diesels, big fat stinking diesels

🎶

[strange quiver]

will need more tweaking, but Tasrail Za class done

[strange quiver]

TGR Za and QR 2350 class done

these are basically a BR Class 37 but in a narrow gauge hood body

QR bought 12, but hated them due to poor reliability and ride quality, so they retired them early and sold them to TGR in the 80s

[turbid bronze]

why is that something I keep seeing

bought something british
hated it

[strange quiver]

because most british manufacturing sucks lmao

although tbf, these were manufactured in Queensland, just to a british design

it was only a short period in the 60s or so when british locomotives in Australia/NZ were competitive, before/after they were really crap

[strange quiver]

iirc these were the last british derived locos for Australia actually

[strange quiver]

omg her...

I swear TGR stuff in the AN scheme just goes hard

also apparently for an early british diesel, these were pretty good, lasting from 1950 until 1988

[turbid bronze]

I love it

[haughty pollen]

Nice, looks like a baby Class 20

[strange quiver]

tbh it kinda is

it's around 5m shorter than a class 20 lmao

I'm gonna have do it on the 4 template or something

[turbid bronze]

Chibi train

[strange quiver]

just a little guy

[strange quiver]

decided not to do the little guy, did fat guy instead

90 class done

you can haul so much coal with these bad boys

[strange quiver]

Proposed Clyde version of the NR class done

basically just a NSW 90 class but after a round of ozempic

also I really need to get onto more Australian themed wagons, I think I've got a fair amount of the locomotives done

doing a quick count I'm already at ~40 or so locomotives

[grave cedar]

idk if this is a my or your problem

[strange quiver]

What version of the game are you playing with?

[turbid bronze]

update your shit

your openttd or jgrpp version is out of date

[strange quiver]

Much less diplomatic then what I'd say, but yes

[turbid bronze]

😛

[grave cedar]

jpgrrp 0.67.1

[turbid bronze]

yeah

update your ish 😛

[grave cedar]

is there a way of updating without having to download it again?

[turbid bronze]

we're at like jgrpp 0.70.1 now

[strange quiver]

No, but its also like 20mb

[turbid bronze]

you just download a zip file and drag and drop it over the top

[strange quiver]

And you can just replace the files in the directory

[turbid bronze]

yee

[grave cedar]

ok now its working

thanks

[strange quiver]

Easy :3

[nova sable]

Hey man I can't find NARP on the ingame bananas client

I can find the extra addons but not the pack itself

[strange quiver]

it's there for me?

[nova sable]

I started a game in 1930 and don't have muh steam locos 😭

I guess I just have to grab iron horse but thanks for the clarification

[strange quiver]

oh there aren't any yet

it's only diesels/electrics atm

it's playable, but it generally relies on another set like iron horse to fill the gaps

[nova sable]

cool beans

thx

[dawn veldt]

US set has some decent steamers, ya its an old GRF but gives steam engine with animated wheels!

i like the animated wheels

[mental musk]

you mean NARS or American Transition Set?

[nova sable]

the GE U34CH has a price of 0

[wind valley]

literally just called US Train Set in bananas

[strange quiver]

Yee, known bug, already fixed in latest version

[vestal minnow]

https://www.railexpress.com.au/government-announces-229-6m-in-funding-for-high-speed-rail/

Who will see high speed rail first, Australia or Canada?

[strange quiver]

well we'll see 🙂

[strange quiver]

yummy passenger coaches

you can fit so much horse hair in these guys

it rots the roof out but it's fiiiiine

[turbid bronze]

delicious

[mental musk]

isnt the front loco on the 4th train backwards?

[haughty pollen]

That'll be the flat end of a Class 44 or similar

[mental musk]

ok, i understand

nice coaches btw, both on the photo and on Your sprites

[strange quiver]

I should do an Australian version of the charger lmao

[haughty pollen]

I'd like to see Aussie Talgos as well lol

I made a concept drawing once to use F59PHI and Talgo combinations similar to the Cascades for the Sydney-Canberra service

[strange quiver]

wtf? and you haven't shown me?

[strange quiver]

yee, that's something I wanna do

[haughty pollen]

Lol this was back in high school, not sure if I still have it 😂

[strange quiver]

Clyde engineering worked with Talgo to try and develop and XPT competitor, but it never went anywhere funnily enough

so it's something that was on the radar

but every time Talgo tried to sell in Australia it was always rejected for poor ride quality lmao

[strange quiver]

fair enough 🙂

[haughty pollen]

More like, our tracks are too shitty for these fancy European trains

[strange quiver]

well the XPT's use bogies derived from french passenger cars, and they ride really well sooooo...

tbf our track quality is fine (at least in NSW), just not for high speed operations

but for us good suspension is a lot more important than in Europe

[strange quiver]

you can move so many sweaty victorians in these guys

re-did the H-types 🙂

I don't think I mentioned it last time, but I also included a switch to check if there are 3 or fewer H-types in the consist, so you can recreate stony point services

also I'll do more liveries later, just not tonight because I'm not bothered lmao

[mental musk]

werent these coaches de-motorised MUs?

[strange quiver]

yee, they were

[mental musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKzHWKSCrxg

this really gives the we dont have enough diesel railcars, so we will run BIG diesel loco with 1 or 2 coaches on an tetrairly line vibe

[strange quiver]

Pretty much tbh

[turbid bronze]

pricktorians

[strange quiver]

V/Line R-types done 🙂

[strange quiver]

DEB sets done 🙂

[strange quiver]

did some tweaking to make the front rounder

was never happy with the way it was, so this makes the front look more accurate

might just quickly do the 600/700s and 620/720s now

[strange quiver]

Silver Fern's done 🙂

also now with push-pull code

[haughty pollen]

Ooh, these are nice

could be adapted into Eastern & Oriental Express coaches too

[strange quiver]

that's the plan, although I'm gonna do it later as I'm about to head out

[nova sable]

some of the mail cars are OP for their period (far higher top speed)

[strange quiver]

Context?

[nova sable]

give me a few minutes im generating a heightmap 🙃

but when i use your set with iron horse i just feel like there's no reason to use anything except the budd mail cars

[strange quiver]

Ah fair

Yh I'll be tweaking them at some point

I've got a spreadsheet to calculate stats now

[nova sable]

do y see the problem now 😂

[strange quiver]

Tbf thats the speed they could do irl

NARP stats are more based on real life as opposed to horses more fictional stats

[turbid bronze]

Running with Horse you’re always gonna have NARP stuff outperform horse

Like, may as well just mentally cross that hurdle bright and early

Or do what I do and disable wagon speed limits

[mental musk]

maybe break tham into 2 or 3 generations, each with better (faster) chasss?

You can difference tham with the look (one stainless, the other one painted)

anyways, what is the difference between lightweight and stream liner and classic?

[strange quiver]

Style

[mental musk]

parameters are the same?

[strange quiver]

Nah, but not too different

[nova sable]

yeah i hate wagon speed limits all my homies hate wagon speed limits

[mental musk]

it adds an new layer to the gameplay

to separate slower goodstrains from faster passenger trains

[haughty pollen]

I think the issue is more that it refits to way too many things

it should be limited to express cargos only, right now it seems to carry anything covered

Or even just mail/valuables only if you want to be strict

[turbid bronze]

I play with a high enough slope grade and freight weight multiplier that the high tractive effort trains are an absolute necessity, I don’t really need artificial speed restrictions on wagons. These days I tend to build freight on dedicated lines anyway but share the same right of way as the passenger lines.

[strange quiver]

Yee, I think with my newer wagons its more restrictive

I'll have to check

[severe elbow]

woah more kiwi stock

[reef gate]

These run on Narrow Gauge?

[knotty talon]

Oooo nice :D. I've been on one of them once on a special trip from Ferrymead Heritage Park in Christchurch to Lyttleton and back. At some point in the mid-late 2000s they ran some peak time suburban trains in Auckland too.

[nova sable]

unfortunately as i have shown the mail cars completely defeat that purpose

[steep echo]

The mail cars are kinda realistic

[mental musk]

yes, but thay are limited to lightweight, and usually less-than-car loads

[nova sable]

including the part where they can carry a bunch of bulk cargos?

[steep echo]

Maybe not that

You could just not use them for that though ofc

[strange quiver]

Yeee

[reef gate]

Nice luv me some Narrow Gauge

[haughty pollen]

Found a bug with the Meteor Power Van

the articulated part follows the livery for diesel passenger coach instead of locomotive

For consistency you could make both the power van and matching coaches follow the DMU livery

[strange quiver]

oh yh, that's because I didn't know what I was doing back then

I'll fix it when I update it

[strange quiver]

Silver Star's done

[mental musk]

love the generator van

nice touch

it will be present 100% of times, or only with locos without HEP?

[strange quiver]

always present

locomotives in Australia generally don't have HEP

[mental musk]

does the tempreture ever get there under 0 celsius?

I do not think so

But in summertime AC must work full throtthle!

[mental musk]

evan ones designed specially for passenger service?

[strange quiver]

Yes, especially inland and in southern/mountainous areas

also these cars are from NZ, which is really far south

[strange quiver]

yh, but that's a club consisting of two locomotive classes, we only really do mixed traffic here

[severe elbow]

woah

[strange quiver]

tweaked the code, now the power van only appears if you have more than 3 cars

[mental musk]

neat

makes sense

blue QR loco paint job?

[zenith harbor]

a bit late to this one but i'd expect canada first since they already have the planning stage started with many consultations already complete

and i believe they already have approval from first nations/indigenous from a while ago which makes it a lot easier to build quickly, however pushback from farmers, especially in quebec, is causing some issues i believe

nvm turns out australia is also in planning phase and i just didn't do my research lol

[strange quiver]

Yee

[strange quiver]

Yee, our plan is to be operational by 2035-2037

[strange quiver]

🤔

[mental musk]

gives me BART vibes

[haughty pollen]

I suspect it's more of a SMRT thing

[severe elbow]

Looks very smrt

[earnest meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-homer-simpson-smart-smrt-gif-7702892707732591860

[strange quiver]

Yee, c151

Just wanted to test to see what it'd look like

[flat void]

Skokie OHLE 3200s when

[strange quiver]

When I draw the 3200s I suppose

[strange quiver]

🤔

[versed sparrow]

Would be real funny

Pls add this worst version of the 2000 class

[mental musk]

why it was the worst version?

[turbid bronze]

I miss the orange

[strange quiver]

Yee, superchook is planned

[mental musk]

on this photo it looks like an knockoff of an japanese ltd express MU

[versed sparrow]

Worst performance

[haughty pollen]

It's basically a red hen railcar from the 1950s with some extra shit bolted to it to "modernise" it, but just made it heavier and slower

[strange quiver]

new goober spotted at auburn 👀

funnily enough I was thinking of re-doing the XPT so...

[mental musk]

i must say, it looks glorious in this paint job

[strange quiver]

yeah

I'm a normal woman with a normal interest in locos in SRA candy

[mental musk]

is this still candy livery?

Not enough orange

[civic ether]

is that part of the refurb?

[strange quiver]

that's what the original livery was

[strange quiver]

nah, probably an end of service thing like what they did with the V set

[haughty pollen]

Found another bug, EP4 is invisible (but the identical EP-3B is fine)

[strange quiver]

odd.... lemme see what's gone wrong

gonna have a guess and say I forgot to set the repeat template lmao

fixed, up on github

[civic ether]

yeah gotcha, that's cool

[strange quiver]

👀

[strange quiver]

XPT's done 🙂

did them in a way that doing the XPT-E and XPT-DM versions should be a breeze

I'll also do an electro-diesel third rail version, and dual-mode OHLE/3rd rail version too for the 3rd rail addon

[haughty pollen]

The toyland background is certainly a choice 😛

[strange quiver]

I'm trying to annoy the reddit people 🙂

[steep echo]

As one should

[dawn veldt]

toyland grass is a nice showcase option!

[haughty pollen]

Another bug, the EF-3B NH livery is not compatible with third rail

[strange quiver]

poooo, let me see what the issue is

easy fix, idek how that bug slipped through

[haughty pollen]

Some of your strings don't cancel the recolour, so it's making the rest of the text white

[mental musk]

my friend dont go mad

it is said that every programme over some emount of lines of codes has at least one bug

[haughty pollen]

I'm reporting everything I find 🙂

[glossy compass]

That string is track provided

And that should no longer be possible in vanilla

[haughty pollen]

Even other vehicles from the same set don't do it, it's a bug in the vehicle set

oh wait, it's a dual power thing, lemme see

yep, other dual power vehicles do it too

[turbid bronze]

Looks like only the vehicles using prop 34?

Looks like it’s only dual mode stuff that lists the multiple railtypes.

[haughty pollen]

That would make sense

[turbid bronze]

The other examples you’ve shown where it doesn’t happen don’t even show the railtype. That window isn’t composable by the grf author, so it’s gotta be the prop 34 multiple railtypes stuff. I’d say it’s either a railtype string bug or a bug in JGRPP/OpenTTD itself which tracks with what Brick said

[haughty pollen]

Yozora had a look at it, says he'll fix it in JP+ Tracks

[strange quiver]

That's easy if its a JP+ bug, I don't have to fix it then :))

[haughty pollen]

Just found out I've been missing the NARP wagons pack, I could have had streamliners and gallery cars this whole time 🫠

[haughty pollen]

Now the locos can finally run at full speed and I'm no longer having capacity issues

[strange quiver]

Shame, all those unused passenger coaches :(((

[haughty pollen]

Oh I'm only in 1960 so plenty of good stuff still to come 😉

[nova sable]

can we get a parameter to turn off the wagons

[strange quiver]

Just don't add the wagon grf to your game?

[late pewter]

Average costumer service job:

[severe elbow]

she aint wrong though

[nova sable]

i will do that next time sorry

[strange quiver]

Goober

All good lmao

[meager swallow]

this might sound like 2 dumb questions but - I'm mainly looking for steam and diesel trains to create long freight trains.

I currently have ORP passenger set and ORP modern locomotives - loaded in that order.

Q1: What do i need to download for the freight wagons - any other good train sets that would work well with this would be appreciated.

Q2: How do i get the liveries to show up in game as their real ones? While there is say 5 of the same diesel train, I can only see 2CC or it will be an orange livery option. Or do i have to make groups and colour them that way?

[zenith harbor]

i'm not sure for Q1 as i've never used ORP before but for Q2 yes you will have to make groups

[haughty pollen]

Iron Horse with wagons-only mode

And yes you'll have to use group liveries, it's a fully 2CC set

[meager swallow]

@haughty pollen any particular track sets i need to use? - I'd like to keep swedish rails 0.8.1

[haughty pollen]

That should be fine - IH shouldn't load its built-in railtypes if the engines are disabled, I think

[turbid bronze]

Honestly I just leave horse on, ORP and NARP leave a bit to be desired before 1940/1950 unless you wanna run a lot of electrics.

[strange quiver]

so I'm thinking about how I wanna do the Bradfield/Standard/Tulloch trains for Sydney

Option 1 is the same as before, where they're coded as 3 separate trains

but option 2, is they're coded as a single train, but each car has a random change to be a bradfield/standard/tulloch based on the year

IRL these trains were effectively the same stat wise

plus doing it this way would mean you get that randomisation we saw IRL with their consists

[strange quiver]

also it would be cool to include a random chance for the bradfields to get their rebuilds 🤔

[haughty pollen]

As long as there's still a choice between single and double deck trailers 🙂

[strange quiver]

Of course 🙂

I'll do up the tulloch DDs soon

[golden prairie]

Ik this is kind of unrelated to openttd but what would have the tilt train trials in nsw have looked like if the hpt went into servicee?

[strange quiver]

Pretty much what your pfp is

But the SRA wasnt keen on a tilt train option for the HPT

At least going off the documentation I've seen through my research

[golden prairie]

oh thanks

[strange quiver]

Yeeeee

I'll do a bunch of HPT variations for this set tho

[golden prairie]

Also were the dk v sets initially planned to replace the entire fleet of u sets or was it just to increase capacity

[strange quiver]

Both

But the order was cut short and which is why when the U sets were retired they had capacity issues (and eventually ordered the G sets)

[meager swallow]

I feel like im being annoying but @strange quiver

1. Is there an easy way to see which trains are supposed to have the original livery?

2. Do you guys have a CC NewGRF or something? cause in the images here, the trains look more vibrant than in my game.

3. Is there a specific trackset is should be using?

And I also feel like I'm either missing trains or I'm searching for them incorrectly. Sorry, I'm trying but not a train expert and its definitely a me problem, these look so cool in the screenshots, but don't look as good when im trying to set them up 😭

[haughty pollen]

Yes, Ragin uses NewCC

And it should work with any railtype set, but preferably one that has 3rd rail and narrow gauge

[strange quiver]

Ye, what jake said

My trains are coded such that they should be compatible with most tracksets (e.g. they have fallbacks) but I mostly test them with JP+ tracks and U&RERMM

[meager swallow]

kk thanks!

[strange quiver]

Always happy to help

Long term design goal is for liveries to be easier to understand btw

I want it to be easy to make good looking and IRL liveries

But that takes time

[meager swallow]

i'm here for the long haul, so ill eventually understand it - i enjoy the variety, exactly what ive been looking for

[strange quiver]

All good then 🙂

[strange quiver]

NSW 1100 Class done

basically an RDC but smaller

[mental musk]

I like it

Buuuut... Doesnt the front of the sprite look too japanese?

reminds me of some smaller JP+ railcars

[severe elbow]

i fail to see how else it would be drawn

[late pewter]

It's not like you can make a flat-faced railcar with a gangway that distinct when you don't have the pixels for it

[strange quiver]

pretty much

[strange quiver]

done the standard, still gotta experiment with how I wanna do the random one

the issue I have is that the bradfield trailers are only 15m long, so they'd be 6/8

so that's gonna be fun to deal with...

for now I'll just leave them coded as individual trains

[strange quiver]

Harris's done 🙂

also got the Standards/Tullochs/Sputniks done, but they're all similar so I haven't shown them off lmao

but 4 EMUs in one day is pretty good

[haughty pollen]

Looks like the front car has a lower stripe than the rest 😉

[strange quiver]

oh wtf

[turbid bronze]

Those look so nice

[strange quiver]

thanks

also the livery is fixed

[strange quiver]

also they have random variations as either 2 or 3 door cars

[strange quiver]

I feel bad for not leaving comments in my code sometimes

but I'm trying to reverse engineer some of the JP+ code for pantographs and none of it has comments 💀

at least it makes my theft take some effort

[haughty pollen]

The train flip code in JP+ MU is all auto generated from a template

[strange quiver]

ooooooh?

is it customisable? might make stealing it for my needs easier?

[haughty pollen]

You'll need to ask @dusk umbra about it 🙂

[strange quiver]

sure, I'll go ask them about it

[strange quiver]

poggies, I managed to graft a new pantograph code for EMUs that should work better for stuff like the QR NGR and electric tilt train

just gotta see if I can find any bugs, but it seems to work great

[strange quiver]

roof needs detailing, but the Auckland ART EMUs are done

main thing is just verifying that this new panto code works

[earnest meadow]

i see this being used in a north american esque system of some sort

[strange quiver]

yeah, I could imagine it tbh

but it is a narrow gauge ac emu

[haughty pollen]

Kinda gives me the feeling of a cross between QR and WMATA

[strange quiver]

I see that lmao

[strange quiver]

okay this code needs a bit more tweaking because when two MUs are combined, the MU trailers in the middle get a bit fucky

they don't treat themselves as two separate MUs as other trains do

[strange quiver]

oh yh, I'm kinda stuck, so if anyone wants to lend a hand...

trains 1-3 are solo, and act as I want
train 5 is made up of two 5 car MUs, and it should have 4 pantographs total
by comparison, 6 & 7 are a single and paired MU that use my existing MU code
I've got literally everything I want working, just putting two MUs together isn't working right

I want it so when two MUs are between 3-4 cars long, they have a single pantograph, and when 5+ they have a pantograph on the 2nd leading and 2nd last vehicle
but I also want them to respect each MU, so they follow the same rules even when combined

here's the code snippet

and obviously the full thing is on my github

the midcars section of the code controls the MU trailers

I'm gonna work on this more later, but I'm kinda stuck so if anyone has any suggestions lmk

the main thing I'd want is to be able to control it such that the MU cars between each dual-headed engine act separatley, but using various combos of SELF/PARENT switches hasn't seemed to work

[strange quiver]

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah

works perfectly

autoflipping on everything works great

haven't been able to find any issue so far tbh

guess I'll do the tilt train now to see how it looks on something else?

code is obviously on my github btw, it would be good for british style AC EMUs if anyone wants to nick it

[strange quiver]

🤔

code looks to be working great too

a 2-car tilt train is kinda cursed lmao

[haughty pollen]

Nice, will you do tilt graphics? 😛

ducks

[strange quiver]

Haha no 🙁

[severe elbow]

cool limited express

ive always tried to play with this set like i do with jp+

[strange quiver]

Well hopefully that'll be more viable 🙂

Especially now with gauge and multi voltage support

I'm kinda tempted to do a bunch of QR EMUs now that I have the code for it

[strange quiver]

need thoughts

for some reason, on wikipedia, the Adelaide 4000 class are listed as gauge convertable to standard gauge

I don't think that's actually the case...

but the bogies they have are designed for use from standard to indian gauge

so should I add a standard gauge version of the 4000 class?

[turbid bronze]

Guess so?

[versed sparrow]

I guess ?

[turbid bronze]

I never really got too far into the weeds with what SA was doing with those new trains

I imagine there was some degree of hedging their bets

[versed sparrow]

SA officials on something with some of their decisions

[turbid bronze]

they do like meth in SA afterall

[strange quiver]

looking into it, seems when SA electrified those lines, they also added gauge convertable sleepers

so it's likely something they're going to do in future

would make sense

[turbid bronze]

Yeah they did lay new sleepers come to think of it

[strange quiver]

so a standard gauge version is technichally realistic

[versed sparrow]

A very big box

[strange quiver]

we love the big boxes

[turbid bronze]

BIG BOX

BIG STINKY

[versed sparrow]

Sar class 700

Also first time seeing his hideous thing

[versed sparrow]

It's no stinky

[turbid bronze]

stinky in this case is a good thing

its amongst some of the highest praise I can heap on a piece of large machinery

[strange quiver]

it's nice looking 🙂

[strange quiver]

you clearly have a type

[turbid bronze]

with machinery, yes

I do not like my women to stink however.

[strange quiver]

valid lmao

also kinda tempted to do the Hitachi...

but I also know I'm gonna be insane and do the weird pantograph arrangements they had

[strange quiver]

okay, Hitachi panto randomisation code done and it seems to work. 1972, 1974-1980, and 1981+ shown

also could someone help with the random switches? I have them set up like this:
//Backwards Down 1974-1981 random_switch(FEAT_TRAINS, SELF, switch_Hitachi_PantoDown_Mid_Rw_Random, TRIGGER_VEHICLE_SERVICE){ 1 : spriteset_Hitachi_SinglePantoDown_r; 1 : spriteset_Hitachi_DiamondPantoDown_r; }

I want it so they only update on service, but they seem to just update automatically even outside of a depot? am I doing it wrong?

only just realised it's probably because I've got all the random switches feeding into a switch that controls the year...

don't suppose there's a way to trigger the year update by service is there?

[haughty pollen]

There should be a way to do it, other sets like UKRS2 update graphics on service

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'd imagine there would be a way

I guess I'll have to poke people for it

I'll look at some other sets to see if they have something similar tommorrow

[haughty pollen]

you might need to use date_of_last_service instead of current_year

[strange quiver]

Ooh, that'd be smart

I'll test that tomorrow night

[mental musk]

pantograph position was modified druing overhuels?

[frosty sand]

I use date_of_last_service in Danish Trains, it works great 😄

[strange quiver]

Yee

[strange quiver]

Easy then

[topaz fractal]

Hideous?

[strange quiver]

Comeng time 🙂

[mental musk]

Comeng nice together

[elder orchid]

@strange quiver I think the NA MU set has an issue where the MU trailer car doesn’t adopt the texture of the leading locomotive.

[strange quiver]

Do you have an example?

[elder orchid]

I was using the washboard EMU with it and the trailers stayed green.

[turbid bronze]

just remember you have to use the NA mu trailer with the NA set and the ORP one with the orp locos

dunno if its set to throw an error if you get that one wrong like some sets do

[strange quiver]

MU trailers only work with multiple units

The washboard is a single car

If you want it to be longer you'll need to add more washboards

[haughty pollen]

That confused me too, and will continue confusing others 🙂

There are two obvious solutions:

• Add coupling restrictions to prevent the MU car from being attached to single units
• Just make the MU car work with single units

[strange quiver]

Yeah... I'm gonna have to sort something out

I might include something in the buy menu

[haughty pollen]

What's wrong with just making it work?

[strange quiver]

But I hoped it would be obvious as the only vehicle that it applies to are the double headed ones

[strange quiver]

Wdym?

[haughty pollen]

Just make the MU wagon become a matching single unit

[strange quiver]

I'll think about it

[haughty pollen]

That's not obvious enough unfortunately, plenty of sets that use MU wagons don't use double headed units

[strange quiver]

I'm not a fan of that idea since imo the MU wagon is only for making individual MUs longer

Not adding additional sets

I'll just have think about addressing it

[haughty pollen]

The other option is coupling restrictions, like the 2cc set uses

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but I did that before and I wasn't a fan

Id prefer a softer approach tbh

[elder orchid]

Isn’t the Pullman washboard a EMU in that set?

[haughty pollen]

No, I don't think the washboard has been in any NewGRF before

[haughty pollen]

I think MU wagons are the most acceptable usage of coupling restrictions

[strange quiver]

I'll see what I can do

[strange quiver]

defo didn't post about this in the wrong chat lmao

but hitachi with front doors done

[mental musk]

walk-through cab cars?

[strange quiver]

pmuch

first few had them, but they didn't seal properly so they removed them from the rest of the fleet

[crystal crag]

I am vaguely reminded of the Dutch Koploper, which had cab doors as well but we got rid of them

[strange quiver]

yee, probably a similar history

although iirc they got rid of those doors after a refurb halfway through their service lives

for these, only the 1972-1974 built cars had them new

[crystal crag]

yeah, we removed the doors in 2005 because not often used and had technical problems

[strange quiver]

any built between 1974 and 1981 didn't get them (and any they had them, had them removed)

[crystal crag]

Sad, I never got to walk through one of those

[strange quiver]

fucked up

they should bring them back for you 🙂

[crystal crag]

They should!

[mental musk]

i just love the concept of an walk-through cab car

[severe elbow]

Eh, too versatile

[zenith harbor]

get J trec to replace the front doors with one of theirs since some of their trains use a design similar to koploper afaik

[strange quiver]

also this is such a good shot

like I need to do a koploper at some point...

[strange quiver]

you can break so many spines with these bad boys

[mental musk]

suspension?

Never heard of it

[versed sparrow]

Xtrampoline

[steep echo]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-trampoline-gif-5255758

[strange quiver]

I was quoting that in my head the entire time lmao

[elder orchid]

Looked again. It is an EMU, but not coded as an MU in the game. Really expensive to run lol.

[crystal crag]

Came across a cursed train idea in a dream that I feel y'all would find funny.

Basically, imagine a cab unit like an F7, only a bit longer... And with the engine compartment replaced by a passenger compartment (assuming putting a smaller engine in the nose) to serve as a railbus for very infrequently used lines.

Specifically, passengers would enter through one of the cab doors with the driver's seat in a small compartment like in an actual bus

[strange quiver]

wdym? It's coded as a single car? so it doesn't support the MU trailer

[strange quiver]

I hate that...

[crystal crag]

:D

Converting old A & B units into cursed passenger railbusses and wagons :3

[elder orchid]

Yes. Along with a few other ones in the EMU set

[strange quiver]

yee, that's intentional. They're single cars IRL

[strange quiver]

I could see it, but it's still cursed lmao

[crystal crag]

It's incredibly cursed but also like, cursed in the sense of "This feels like something a railway company might actually consider"

"Our locomotives and wagons are showing their age, but passengers barely use our line anymore"
"Let's convert one or two of our old locomotives into new passenger units so we don't need to buy new for the few passengers that ride this line."

[strange quiver]

I could see that

I'm surprised no one has actually done it

probably because the effort would just be too much

[mental musk]

wait an moment, this sort of existed

I know that a couple of RDCs were equipped with F-unit style cabs at one ends, and operated initially as limited expresses, later on secondairly lines, due to uncomfortable ride at high speeds

https://rapidotrains.com/media/images/rdc-amtk27-gerryputz-800.jpg

moreover, this was bi-mode!
on 3rd rail tracks it could work as an electric train

[severe elbow]

These were ordered by the new haven

[haughty pollen]

Huh, these are neat

[dawn veldt]

never saw those before, theyre unique looking...

[mental musk]

If I am correct some were preserved and can be seen in an railway museum

[dawn veldt]

earlier diesel was better cause everything looked different and unique.

now its all the same shit basically, its boring

[severe elbow]

it all fell apart in the late 50s

[dawn veldt]

unfortunately...

[severe elbow]

some of the earlier hood locos do look really cool though

i personally love the look of U34CHs in erie lackawanna purple

[dawn veldt]

i really liked the C40-8s theyre terrible inside but look nice on the outside

[strange quiver]

Tangara done

Tangaras translate really well into openttd scale

[strange quiver]

had a go at doing an S-train livery for it, looks really good imo

(for context DSB considered buying Tangaras for their S-Train network)

[haughty pollen]

That would have been interesting

[elder orchid]

Rodger Williams!

[strange quiver]

4D done 🙂

separated into a different train this time

[haughty pollen]

Ah, the fake tangara

One of the doors isn't black 😉

[strange quiver]

oh ffs

fixed btw

[mental musk]

I wonder what were the differences between tangara and 4d, apart of the gauge?

[strange quiver]

4D internally was basically a Chopper COMENG

it was a bit of a freak

[strange quiver]

random thought, but I always thought it kinda unrealistic how cities suddenly love you in openttd if you plant a load of trees

but also working in local government for the past year, I've realised that's probably accurate

we do love trees

[vestal minnow]

Trees improve environmental quality and aesthetic appeal so the council loves it

[severe elbow]

But how can you build things made of wood if you love trees

[flat void]

use dead trees

and dangerous trees

you can't love trees if a withered oak snaps in the fifth tornado this year and squashes you like a cockroach in your own house

[elder orchid]

Having another “I’m an idiot” moment. On the U.S. sets, is there a way to disable the need for different AC/DC electrification? The electrified track defaults to AC. Also any way to get off company colors?

[strange quiver]

They only operate on different voltages if you use a track set that supports them. You'll need to use another track set or disable it in your trackset

I also have no plans to provide non-cc sprites

[elder orchid]

Thanks now i feel like less of an idiot lol

[elder orchid]

No worries I saw the Reddit post image and was like “that’s cool”

[strange quiver]

all good lmao

[elder orchid]

May have a new error actually. Seems all the third rail stuff is stuck in a custom metro depot and track. Won’t run on any other track either.

[strange quiver]

What track set are you using?

[elder orchid]

U&ReRMM 21.6

[strange quiver]

Enable other trains being able to use metro tracks in that grfs settings

[elder orchid]

Enabled already. The issue is every third rail train in the sets seem to only open on some mysterious metro track I can’t track where it comes from.

[haughty pollen]

Iron Horse perhaps?

[strange quiver]

Could I have some screenshots?

[haughty pollen]

You can use the console command dumpinfo railtypes to figure out where each railtype is from

[elder orchid]

Hidden in one of the Iron Horses. And thanks, that’s actually really useful.

[haughty pollen]

Try swapping the load order of Iron Horse and U&ReRMM

Also wdym "one of the Iron Horses"? Are you running multiple versions?

[glossy compass]

This won't help unless using U&rermm3

[strange quiver]

struggling for trains to draw, anyone got any suggestions (Australian trains only btw)

[haughty pollen]

We were just discussing these earlier, have you done that one? #openttd message

[strange quiver]

I did ages back, but I could re-do it

[strange quiver]

goobers

kinda wild I now technichally have two danish trains in an Australian train set

but yh, if anyone has more suggestions for trains to do lmk, I'm gonna go play ace combat now 🙂

also if anyone has any examples of animated objects, let me know because I have something I wanna test

[mental musk]

hmmmmmm some NOHAB-esque trains count too?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/DSB_NOHAB.JPG

[strange quiver]

Only Australian trains atm, and I've already done the A/B class

[frigid drum]

Once you've done all Australian trains, how bout Japanese ones? 😛

[left cipher]

opening a trenchcoat want a 211? first ones free

[strange quiver]

Look I'd love to, but I think JP+ has already got it covered

I do wanna do a south African train set at one point tho

[mental musk]

still a couple missing from JP+

[mental musk]

well, my friend the genealogy is like that
EMD F (or maybe E?) unit -> Some australian 1 cab clone -> some australian 2 cab clone -> NOHAB

https://www.nohab-gm.hu/en/en05_1.html

[vestal minnow]

Queensland has a restored train that runs on solar power?

Solar panels were put along tracks and stations to power the train

I saw it on Great Australian Railway Journeys

[mental musk]

isnt it an converted diesel railcar?

[dawn veldt]

i guess it only runs duuring the day then eh?

[strange quiver]

NSW train

But yh, I know the one you're talking about

I've already done the DEB set which is very similar

I'm gonna do the original diesel version only tho 🙂

[vestal minnow]

It’s a good series, it is shown on my local knowledge tv channel

[strange quiver]

I'll have to give it a watch at some point

[strange quiver]

gonna do those railmotors now, but if anyone else has any suggestions lmk

seems suggestions help me get motivated

I guess I'm really externally motivated

[golden prairie]

Whats the lore behind these

[strange quiver]

it was a proposed rapid transit network for Auckland in the late 1960s that didn't get off the ground

nothing much really

[golden prairie]

Oh sick I thought it would've been electrification of the auckland suburban netwrok or smth

What would the routes have been?

[severe elbow]

Probably would have integrated the suburban network

[strange quiver]

that's what it was, but also a new tunnel through the CBD

[golden prairie]

like the cbd rail link of today?

[strange quiver]

here's the route map

https://collection.motat.nz/topics/67/a-platform-for-the-future-auckland-rapid-transit

https://www.archives.govt.nz/discover-our-stories/auckland-underground

further info too

[golden prairie]

Very interesting thank you

[strange quiver]

nw

[strange quiver]

also been testing doing flag objects

I did also do those railmotors

[strange quiver]

I do wanna test to see if I can get these animated, I think that would be a cool feature

just need to sus out the code for it

[haughty pollen]

Pretty sure it's similar to animated side rods

[strange quiver]

I assume so, but it doesn't seem to like it when you provide switches as the sprite

Iirc there's some other way that's required

I did try and use sprite stacking but it rejected it

[strange quiver]

🤔

cc: @turbid bronze

kitchbashed horse sprites mix with new wheels and animated jackshafts and it looks pretty good

[turbid bronze]

TRAIN

😄

Finally the steamer curse has been lifted

[mental musk]

this might interest You

https://scontent-waw2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/470171081_1113365153472637_4663464687373715244_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dd6889&_nc_ohc=cXQhOSK1vJQQ7kNvwGcDx0_&_nc_oc=AdoUwx86GV396qY3aY2Yk14RI7TYCKGWH5HH3sYflu5kj3WdnFqqoN6yQsPiUux9Y3U&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-waw2-2.xx&_nc_gid=XPUlHtyaad0vbHFdLHprcA&_nc_ss=7a30f&oh=00_Afy3_Ff6wbbCMr5Ea9MgfaFh37QJ4bVNhSIH9LNcCGob2g&oe=69CEB4BB

https://scontent-waw2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/470137613_1113365136805972_1362015447704154144_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dd6889&_nc_ohc=vqSoEe6Db7AQ7kNvwGJeTKZ&_nc_oc=AdrmL1Gc3GHltjlq7mkxNPTKdQL5woJk8KE40JVbBfhnuBRV_HhzlXMp7Bv16b6FqVU&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-waw2-2.xx&_nc_gid=wK3fCWVGVC8KbOQe9bkN6A&_nc_ss=7a30f&oh=00_AfwS668XsK4yNgXQnhvZS5aFQwgzWvTgge9mdkzXpHIW8Q&oe=69CEB98A

[haughty pollen]

Silver fern was done not too long ago, also ew facebook link

[haughty pollen]

A steamy boi 😍

[mental musk]

that link was an link to an album featuring an awful lot of photos of japanese export stock

also for Australian and NZ markets

[strange quiver]

tbf is was more laziness

but yh, it was good practice for understanding how steamers work

[mental musk]

2 frames for animation should be enough?

in the steam loc

[severe elbow]

i like looking through these pictures sometimes
http://tabinori.net/kaigairail/wlgdl.html
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lwdemery/albums/72177720321807087/

[strange quiver]

yeah, but i have 4 to make it more circular

it just looks better for not much more effort

[strange quiver]

also, while it's on my mind. The plan for all my Australian stuff is that by the next update you won't have to rely on horse at all

but my research on steamers is still somewhat limited, so the steam set will only be from 1880-end of steam

[turbid bronze]

\o/

I'm still gonna run horse anyway but I'm really looking forward to having more options 1900>1930/1940's

It'll be a good milestone for the set though being able to run standalone

[strange quiver]

but I'll also need recommendations. I currently want:

• a dozen or so steamers for both narrow and standard/broad
• at least one steam from each state/territory

So send me reccomendations and I might do them 🙂

[turbid bronze]

The bigger and stinkier the better

[strange quiver]

yee, and it'll always be compatible

[strange quiver]

I do kinda wanna try a garratt...

[haughty pollen]

You gotta do the SAR 520 for South Australia

[strange quiver]

can do 🙂

it would actually be a good one to do since it can then form the basis of the T1 later...

[haughty pollen]

My thoughts exactly 😛

[strange quiver]

yeeee

also, testing liveries

kinda fucked up that the Candy livery looks good on a steam locomotive

not gonna include this long term, but it's a fun test

[turbid bronze]

choooo chooooo

[haughty pollen]

Candy looks good on everything

[civic ether]

QR BB19 1/2(I think?) and the C17 would be cool :)

[strange quiver]

I can probably do that

Whats the BB19 1/2 btw? I can't find info on it?

[civic ether]

I could have made it up

I’m gonna be so real

[strange quiver]

Lmao, all good

Well I'm gonna try and do a few QR ones, so if you think of any real ones worth including lmk

[civic ether]

I think I meant the 18 1/4

Whatever the static display at Ipswich is

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Queensland_BB18¼_class_locomotive&wprov=rarw1 and this one

[strange quiver]

Oh yh I can do that

[civic ether]

Cheers!

[haughty pollen]

How about a QR DD17? I got pulled by one at Zig Zag a many years ago, complete with Thomas face

[strange quiver]

Oooh I could

They're similar to the earlier D17s too

So I could easily do both, and that'd give me both a pre and post war tank

I will probably need to identify some earlier steamers from 1880, and some freight locos too

[civic ether]

QR C17s were a general purpose nonexpress

Mail, freight, suburban

[strange quiver]

Ah well thats easy then

[golden prairie]

Oh yeah one last question about the HPTs

Was it envisioned that they would have sleeper carriages?

[strange quiver]

Yee, it was

But when they were cancelled they ordered XPT sleepers instead

[mellow loom]

Looks like the particles are coming from the wrong articulated part?

[strange quiver]

Ah yeah, I'll have to tweak that

[mellow loom]

I say leave the particles and move the chimney

[strange quiver]

I suppose thats one way to do it

[strange quiver]

But I'll just move the particles lmao

Idk why discord decided to send those hours apart

[strange quiver]

NSW D50/CR K Class done

might weak it a bit to make the loco longer, but when it's 6/8 the consolidation wheels look a bit odd

although tbf 6/8 for just the loco is oversized

[haughty pollen]

Now that's a workhorse

[strange quiver]

yeah

kinda wild they build 200 of them, but only 3 are left lmao

also the British army nicked some during WW1 and tried to scam us to buy worn out locomotives for more than the original price

[mental musk]

reminds me of the QR steam loco in TRS2004

[versed sparrow]

Yipeee steam goobers

[strange quiver]

I think these are a bit overscaled, but the LBSC terriers are done

NSW imported 10 from the UK for suburban working in Sydney, but due to a variety of issues they didin't like them, and most were quickly relegated to secondary duties

[strange quiver]

NSW C30 tank engines done

these guys hauled sydney suburban services from the early 1900s until electrification, after which they were dispered to country branch lines, as well as Newcastle and Wollongong suburban trains

I really need to do some American suburban coaches to go with these

[strange quiver]

NSW Z12 Class done

these are funnily enough based on Metropolitan Railway A Class locomotives

also having these be animated does so much to bring them to life

[turbid bronze]

keeeeeeennnn

[strange quiver]

Yeeeee

Tomorrow I'm gonna try and get some more freight locomotives done

But I'm making decent progress

[strange quiver]

NSW Z19 class done

it also means that now the set is ready to go (at least for standard gauge) from 1880 as planned

it will need some more locos to fill the gaps, and better liveries, but it's a good spot to be in

[strange quiver]

should I include this chunky boy?

giant goofy saddle tank thing

funnily enough it's a banker lmao

[strange quiver]

also these entered service in 1892, but the last one was retired in 1983, so I think that would make them one of the longest serving steam locomotives?

[turbid bronze]

That’s hilarious. Do it.

[strange quiver]

fiiiiine

it can be one of the two tank engines I wanna do today

I really wanna do the SMR 10 class

they were in service until late 1987 and hauling 1860s designed non-braked coal hoppers lmao