Ragins Train Sets

[strange quiver]

lemme check

Auz creek and drain objects v22

[finite mountain]

Cool. Gonna add that to my list of addons

[strange quiver]

South shore line EMUs done

livery needs tweaking, but otherwise should be good

[haughty pollen]

ooh nice, have you done/planned the Illinois Central bilevel EMUs yet?

[strange quiver]

I might... they wouldn't take too long to do

[severe elbow]

Substations fear this creation

[strange quiver]

South shore line must be popular with pantograph makers

Also I've been trying to research early DC electrification in the US and literally everything is just interurbans using trolley poles

That sort of stuff I wanna keep in their own set

So I might just make up a more mainline style early DC railcar just for gameplay purposes

[severe elbow]

Please main Sacramento northern for that 🙏

And do the steeplecab

[strange quiver]

Well I can take a look

I'd be looking for anything built from 1900-1908

[strange quiver]

Ids have been reserved for them, just need to do more research 🙂

[severe elbow]

They had 2 different ones later on

There’s a couple of the locos preserved and a unit as well

[strange quiver]

ah yh

well I can add them in the future

but I looked it up and they only started operation in 1918 so for now I'll have to look for something else

[severe elbow]

They interran with a trolley system (key system) which had funky units

They were a lot more vibrant in service

And rather large units of the IER, that diverged a different way shortly after crossing the bay bridge

[strange quiver]

yee, lots of cool stuff to look into 🙂

[severe elbow]

Yea I was more just noting what went over the bay bridge

Carried away there

I just find that whole operation interesting

[strange quiver]

you're all good, dw

[strange quiver]

this kinda works for an early DC railcar. Basically an MP54 but DC, and overall worse

only benefit is that it's cheaper

but yh, I really want some of the first OHLE equipment the player unlocks to be DC, because otherwise there really isn't a reason to use DC

also now that I don't have the attach control, you can do stuff like this, and it's kinda cool

works well since the wagons and MUs match in style

[signal gate]

attach control always

[mental musk]

I wonder if this rapid transit line still exists...

[mental musk]

there was really an DC variant of MP54, but for 3rd rail lines

[strange quiver]

I'm aware, it's already included

[strange quiver]

We love AI 🙂

Wickerliners were the trains the highliners replaced lmao

[mental musk]

To be honest this is the first time I see the name Vickerliner

I have seen tham called IC EMUs

[strange quiver]

yeah, but this is more unique

and I don't like naming the railroad in the name of vehicles

either way, wickerliners done

and now to fix the MU car sprite so @turbid bronze doesn't shoot me

[haughty pollen]

Funny, I used these in a Transport Fever 2 game recently, it was a well-done model

[strange quiver]

yeah, I used it for some reference material actually

and MU car is updated 🙂

[mental musk]

lovley roaster

btw

There were 2 sub-serieses of Metroliners?

[strange quiver]

yes and no

in 1976 the fleet went in for a rebuild, and at the same time Amtrak considered a new order of Metroliner IIs, but the order was rejected in favour of more AEM-7s

[mental musk]

all I know is that some were normal coaches and some were buffet coaches

[strange quiver]

so the Metroliner II in game is an amalgamation of the rebuild and unbuilt 2nd order

[strange quiver]

yeah, it's not something I'm including though

[strange quiver]

CN EMUs done

[strange quiver]

also these JP+ early OHLE looks really good in the snow

really gives that early interurban vibe

at some point I'm gonna need to fork it to make a proper US track pack

[frosty sand]

Since you already have NARP, I submit Yet Another American Railtype Pack, or YAARP

[strange quiver]

okay maybe...

but I'd probably want everything to be kept in line with my current naming scheme

so it'd be something like "NARP - Track Set"

[frosty sand]

Oh, I see the current scheme, never mind 🙂

[strange quiver]

lmao

also when I get onto my Australian stuff soon, I should experiment with doing a track pack for it

I do have some ideas for how to do it

and it would be good to provide a track pack that supports broad gauge

[strange quiver]

Highliner Is are hard

[haughty pollen]

Quite a distinctive shape

[strange quiver]

an annoying one to draw though

okay it looks pretty good

got it set up so you can have more than 2 cars too

I'll do the Metra livery and Highliner II tomorrow, but now I've gotta get ready to go to a friends place 🙂

[turbid bronze]

That’s so goofy

I love it

[strange quiver]

Thanks

It turned out better than i expected tbh

Guess who just witnessed a train get its pantograph ripped off? Lmao

[valid scroll]

how does that even happen?

[strange quiver]

Guy on the roof dropped his line onto the overhead, and a train came through and grabbed it which then took the pantograph off

2nd train came through and hit it too, but thankfully it was fine

[turbid bronze]

did you take it home

[strange quiver]

No 🙁

[steep echo]

weak

pantographs at the station are like ducks at the pond

or presidents in their countries i guess

[haughty pollen]

I would totally have grabbed that lol

I'd love to own a mangled piece of pantograph

[frigid drum]

Would have been a nice conversation starter
What's that on your wall?
Nothing special, just a train pantograph

[strange quiver]

Look I wanted to

But also its massive, I was going to my friends house, and I didn't wanna fight the ATSB for it

Also a friend who works at Auburn just messaged me they got a repair order for a waratahs pantograph lmao

[turbid bronze]

hahahah

did ya tell him where you can find it? 😛

just bend it back into shape she'll be right

[strange quiver]

Well she did ask lmao

[turbid bronze]

hahahah

[strange quiver]

I had two different friends ask me to get it for them lmao

The friend that works at auburn has a concerning amount of stuff shes "found"

She has the motor controller from a U set in her bedroom which she apparently "found" at work

[turbid bronze]

Uhuh

That doesn't at all sound suspicious

[strange quiver]

Yeah...

She's great though

[left cipher]

ive got a piece of new flyer xcelsior mirror from when i was victim of a hit & run in training lol

[strange quiver]

late night 100% sober drawing time

Metra livery done

gonna see if I can do the Highliner IIs now

[mental musk]

isnt the highliner 2 very similer to gallery cars?

[strange quiver]

yee, that's why I can just re-use the sprite

[haughty pollen]

I can't wait to mix Highliners and V-sets lol

[strange quiver]

sooooooon...

I'm looking forward to doing the American version of the V-sets at some point

[severe elbow]

Middle coach on a highliner 😭

[strange quiver]

goes hard 🙂

also found this add for the Highliner I calling it the first "double deck transit cars"

[severe elbow]

Very much not

[strange quiver]

despite NSW having prototypes 4 years earlier, and the first V set batch 2 years earlier

[severe elbow]

Not even in the USA

[strange quiver]

tbf the MP70s weren't still single deck

they're kinda in that weird middle area

although so are gallery cars like these

[severe elbow]

Oh like 1.5 deck

Like our 4DDs

[strange quiver]

yee, pretty much

[strange quiver]

Highliner IIs done

I think now I've done enough that you can do basically all of Metras operations

also I'm probably gonna wrap up work on this for the time being

rn I've only got the X2000 left to-do

I might also do some livery work, but we'll see

other people are also able to contribute to adding liveries btw. It's pretty simple but fairly tedious

[versed sparrow]

Can't wait to download this

[mental musk]

me too

[haughty pollen]

For fuck's sake, is that what I think it is

.:|:;

[steep echo]

Lmao

[vestal minnow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/openttd/comments/1q6cq34/doing_final_touches_on_the_spritework_for_my/

Ragin I saw your post on reddit

Looking forward to the release!

[severe elbow]

Oh my god

[strange quiver]

🙂

also had a thought

but if I do an Australian track pack, I'd want to include 4 different gauges (2ft, Narrow, Standard, and Broad) and both AC and DC variations of the latter, which on its own is a lot

but... I could also include a "light" variation of the main 3 gauges to take advantage of track weight classes which haven't been used so far

so the player gets a cheap track type, but they're then limited to fairly lightweight locomotives like the 48 or T class

I suppose it also raises the inverse, and having a dedicated heavyweight track type for stuff like the 90 class (and Pilbara locomotives), but I feel like that might be too much if anything?

I'll have to think about it

also I'm gonna integrate the third rail add on into ORP, and I'm gonna actually do the Sydney third rail units

but I'm not sure if I should code them purely as 3rd rail units, or 3rd rail + OHLE. Both would be realistic

I might just save the ids so I can do both, and then just include a toggle

[strange quiver]

also realising that if the 3rd rail addon includes anything that reasonably would have had 3rd rail pickups in that alt history scenarion, then the XPT-E and VFT with 3rd rail pickup shoes would be a thing

[turbid bronze]

this seems reasonable

[signal gate]

Axle load only affects the first vehicle currently FYI

So the use of it …. depends how much you care about it being flavour vs gameplay effect

[turbid bronze]

yeah axle load has always kinda struck me as entering 'bad feature' territory

[strange quiver]

ah rip then

[signal gate]

There is a PR that might make the restrictions apply

[strange quiver]

well tbf, there aren't many examples of it, so we don't know entirely if it's bad

[signal gate]

Same right now with gauge - ng trains run on RAIL

[strange quiver]

wdym? don't they run on a separate rail type?

[signal gate]

Compatibility is only evaluated for lead vehicle

[strange quiver]

oooh fair, I see now

[turbid bronze]

perils of dual gauge depots

I've stopped using dual gauge tracks in most of my play throughs

[strange quiver]

friends 🙂

also the pantograph code is set up so it's entirely random. Irl they didn't seem to have a preference with pantographs so this is a good way to represent it

[severe elbow]

Was it not per voltage?

1 for the higher and both for the lower

[strange quiver]

nope, these were DC only locomotives

[severe elbow]

ah

[strange quiver]

probably a dumb idea...

but in Australia, most states transitioned from buffer and chain to knucle couplers post WW2

so I might add a stack switch to layer the couplers on top, and have it change based on the year

[signal gate]

I was going to do the same in Horse, but in the graphics compile

to reuse chassis for different regions

[strange quiver]

yee

although I think I'm just gonna do the couplers only

since that'd be the only thing changing

[strange quiver]

Subtle detail, but I've got it so they start to transition in 1945, and they're fully transitioned by 1960

the intermediate stages do look a little goofy, but I think it's fine

okay, doing more research and it seems every state is annoying

Victoria switched to knuckles in the 1920s, and didn't order anything new locomotive posts 1945 with buffers

NSW ordered a mix between 1945 and 1970

NZ and WA used chopper couplers, so they're basically the same as knuckles

and Queensland was ordering new locomotives with buffers as late as the 80s

so I think I'll have to include a parameter to let the player choose

so I'm they they should be:
Buffers
Knuckles
Transition (slowly changes from 1945-1960)
Realistic (VR locos transition in the 1920s, QR in the 1980s)

Realistic will mean the biggest mismatch between rolling stock and locomotives, but... I think it'll be good to give the player that option

[strange quiver]

okay got it working, bit of a pain but it should be worth it

also an F unit with buffers is kinda cursed

okay found find final bugs and got it properly working

seems the basic code will be fairly tedious, but it'll be applicable to everything

so more than likely, I'll keep it in. I'll have to make sure the wagon pack has it for compatability

[strange quiver]

MP54D and NH&H Washboard EMUs done

wanted to have more AC and third rail EMUs that were introduced before the Cosmopolitan in 1973

also I'm gonna tweak the washboard roof because I'm not super happy with it

little better

[mental musk]

if I am correct washboard is just the nickname and proper designation is series 4400

[strange quiver]

yh, but this is more generic than the class designation

[strange quiver]

also, mostly spent this arvo on final bug fixes and code tweaks

so I think I'm at a point where NARP is ready for a public release

still I'm gonna sit on it for a bit in case I get any last minute motivation to do some stuff

might try and do the acela express tonight though

[strange quiver]

🤔

[strange quiver]

Jet train done 🙂

[haughty pollen]

I always liked using that in NARS Add-on, it bothered me that the graphics didn't match the NARS Acela

that won't be a problem anymore 🙂

[strange quiver]

Benefit of only having a single artist 🙂

[haughty pollen]

Have you done a UAC Turbotrain too?

[strange quiver]

Not yet, but I probably should

My motivation for American stuff is waning atm so idk if I'll get to it

[mental musk]

remember, my friend

Ambition is the last bastion of failure

[strange quiver]

What does that mean in this context?

[mental musk]

that one should not be over-abitious as this will delay the developtment of the project and may stress the developers nerves a bit too much

Sometimes it is OK to lower quality, or just move some planned features to future updates

[strange quiver]

Okay then...

[steep echo]

He’s trying to be nice

Just in a really autistic way

Something like “please don’t overwork yourself” woulda been better

[turbid bronze]

I got my big stinky diesels off you, you’re allowed out of the mines 😛

[crystal crag]

But what about the big stinky steamers

[turbid bronze]

Look, I tried, I begged, I pleaded,

[strange quiver]

sooooooooooon

priority is Australian steamers anyway

[versed sparrow]

Did someone said some aussie steam kettles ?

Pls add this knock off rust bucket

[strange quiver]

yee, that's one of the higher priority ones 🙂

[versed sparrow]

Although

I wonder when I can get my hands on it considering the unofficial android port takes a while to update tother newest version

[haughty pollen]

I don't think this set will have anything that requires 15.0

so it should work fine on android 14.1

[strange quiver]

it'll have some dual-voltage electric locos and stuff

so it'll require some

but there's not gonna be a release for a year or so anyway

[turbid bronze]

blue firs copper ore 😭

[signal gate]

Such tarps

[turbid bronze]

heh

[strange quiver]

Oh god damnit

What cargo is broke?

[turbid bronze]

Copper ore in Firs 5 In a Hot Country

[strange quiver]

Poooo

[haughty pollen]

I thought I fixed all that in JP+ Engines

[strange quiver]

I swear I fixed that

[strange quiver]

Yeah, I swear I nicked the fix from you

[strange quiver]

NSW 40 class done 🙂

I probably should do the american version, but I'm lazy

I did the sprite ages back and just never coded it up lmao

[strange quiver]

VR B class done

[turbid bronze]

Plowing through em

[mental musk]

now that's one weird Nohab

[turbid bronze]

time to update all my grf's then

I really should just PR your move.bat to copy instead so I don't have to keep compiling things 😛

[turbid bronze]

New stuff looks great Ragin, well done.

[spice kernel]

nah just heavily oxdized copper

[steep echo]

the fact that these sprites look so similar to mine shows i was doing something right xd

i dont really have a similar livery))

[flat void]

They've got scotch gauge right now which is about 300mm narrower than Broad gauge

[strange quiver]

thanks!

[strange quiver]

I really should do that lmao

[turbid bronze]

Scotch is narrower than standard gauge…

[signal gate]

if we were being anal, that's also narrower than broad gauge 😛

let's not though

[flat void]

oh right

https://tenor.com/view/brain-trash-spongebob-squidward-dumb-gif-17233216

[strange quiver]

turns out the old V4 set has a broad gauge track type

so that makes testing on my side easier

at least until I get around to making a fork of JP+ that has a broad gauge track type

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I’m gonna have a closer look at what’s required for it at some point

[strange quiver]

yeeee

actually, if you wanna help out more, it'd be helpful if you could bodge something basic together based on it

I vaguely know what I wanna do, I just wanna focus on trains atm

[turbid bronze]

JP+ has all ID’s assigned, so my thought was take something we don’t need, funilly enough scotch gauge came to mind, and use its ID’s with a parameter to replace them. Like how fourth rail is done.

But I need to make sure scotch gauge has all the electrification’s we want

[strange quiver]

oh I was thinking a whole new track set just based on JP+

[turbid bronze]

Otherwise I’m scrounging for ID’s again.

[strange quiver]

one that was specifically designed for Australian stuff

because I'd wanna new level crossing graphics and different overhead staunchions and stuff

[turbid bronze]

I’d rather not maintain another grf if I don’t have to. And track sets are a nightmare. I’d rather just piggy back off something else.

[strange quiver]

that's valid then

[turbid bronze]

I’ve got my fork of the North Korean rail set but yeah rail sets are a pain in the ass

I am going to investigate it a bit though.

[strange quiver]

all good, lmk how it goes

I'll post about it here if I get around to what I'm planning 🙂

[strange quiver]

apparently AN bought some T Classes

[turbid bronze]

God I love the AN green and gold

[strange quiver]

it's so good...

[turbid bronze]

Don't see a lot of it anymore. I'd catch the occasional still wearing the livery down in SA, but god it was rare.

that and the Genesee & Wyoming black and orange are easily my two favorite liveries for a loco

[strange quiver]

tbh I can't even remember when I last saw it

we never ever get the G&W around here anymore

and that'll go away now that it's part of Aurizon

[turbid bronze]

Yeah it become OneRail or some shit, was not long after that I stopped working with them

I used to handle their phones back in Adelaide but the business I worked for were a pack of cunts

[strange quiver]

ah fair lmao

and yh, they became onerail and then got bought out by Aurizon

at least if I'm remembering it correctly

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I missed the Aurizon buy out

[grave cedar]

so did Watco i think

[strange quiver]

not surprised

also working on this little goober thing

it's a pain to do because it basically has the cab of a GE Universal series but the body of a EMD

[grave cedar]

heres a photo of watcos H class

[grave cedar]

the goob

[strange quiver]

neat 🙂

[grave cedar]

did you merge the h and t classes in your set?

[strange quiver]

nope, they're planned to be separate

[grave cedar]

because of the weight differance?

[strange quiver]

somewhat

it's the weight and they serve different purposes

so the stats and the like would be different

[grave cedar]

noted

[strange quiver]

yee

[strange quiver]

QR 2170 class done

this QR livery is hard to do, so I'll probably have to work on it in future

also I do need to do a Driver only version of this, since it had a slightly different cab

[woeful halo]

Boxcars my beloved

I love boxcars

[strange quiver]

tbf they're from Iron Horse

[woeful halo]

I know

[strange quiver]

thinking about doing the Maldon-Dombart dual-voltage locomotives today

I don't have much info on them, but... I can make some assumptions

one of the issues is Comeng locomotives are generally based on Japanese designs, and the Japanese tend to use the same pantograph for DC and AC

I could copy that, but it would be rather boring. I think I might try and code them to be more like european locomotives, with a separate AC pantograph

[haughty pollen]

That would be neat, I drive past the spot where that line should have existed frequently

[strange quiver]

I'll make sure to do it then >:)

just coding the normal 86s atm actually

[strange quiver]

changed the order of CC1/CC2 for the SRA livery, and I think the 2nd image is better?

I think the less intense red of the first image is kinda better and more realistic?

idk

86's done at least. They're also coded to have a small chance to swap to single arm pantographs post 1997

also I really need to do my own hoppers...

I suppose making red CC2 does also mean other liveries are just as viable

[haughty pollen]

Did you change the shades? 1cc and 2cc should look the same if the shades are the same. Unless you're using NewCC two-tone

[strange quiver]

yee, I'm using newcc

[haughty pollen]

Ah, so the white part is 1cc and the yellow is fixed?

[strange quiver]

yee

[haughty pollen]

Nice, makes sense

[strange quiver]

ALCO C628 Australian version done

[strange quiver]

got it working and it's kinda cool 🙂 (AC vs DC)

there are some bugs but they should be easy fixes

okay got it working 🙂

I do also need to update some of the dual-voltage locomotives in NARP with this text box, but I'm not bothered to do it lmao

[mental musk]

I love it

really really like the style of this loco

this would be perfect addition to horse

[signal gate]

Horse has all engines needed forever

except Gronks

[mental musk]

😉

[steep echo]

Wellllllllll

[strange quiver]

NSW 44/SAR 930 class done

swap the couplers out for buffers and you also get a fairly accurate indian railways WDM-1

[strange quiver]

NSW 41 class done

I hope you like engine fires!

I love these so much because they were so poorly designed that they'd overheat, and then set themselves on fire

they were so bad, that afterwards NSW basically blacklisted any diesels imported from the UK

WAGR's X class at around the same time also had similar issues, but they were worse to the point of requiring a royal commission, and afterwards they also blacklisted british built diesels

[turbid bronze]

[turbid bronze]

just had a look at scotch gauge in JP+ tracks, there's three ID's in use and they're all DC electrified

so would need to steal some more from elsewhere

theres three id's being used for dual gauge which I personally never use but yeah

dunno what electrifications we'd need?

and whether we just want wooden and concrete ties and skip concrete slab?

[strange quiver]

well for realism we'd only need DC

[turbid bronze]

OK, that can work then

[strange quiver]

but to support the fictional stuff, it'll need at least 3rd rail, and maybe AC

[turbid bronze]

are the new broad gauge suburban electrics in SA all DC?

[strange quiver]

oh shit

nah they're AC

[turbid bronze]

ah fuck

[strange quiver]

so it'll need DC and AC broad gauge at a minimum, and potentially third rail

[turbid bronze]

so if we assume just wooden+concrete ties and no slabs we'd need eight ID's, non electric, two for ac, two for dc, two for ac/dc

[strange quiver]

could always nick them from the industrial tracks

[turbid bronze]

and then what, a ninth one if we want broad gauge third rail

[strange quiver]

I never use them personally

[turbid bronze]

never

I always do

[strange quiver]

tsk tsk tsk

[turbid bronze]

well, ISR at a minimum

I sometimes don't use the chips ones

but I do use the ISR ones frequently

but just thinking, we don't need rubber guideways or linimo?

[strange quiver]

well I'll let you do what you decide, since idm what happens to those

either way, long term I'll have to make a more dedicated track set anyway

[turbid bronze]

Scotch, dual gauge, rubber guideway, and linimo gets us 9 id's total

[strange quiver]

easy then 🙂

[turbid bronze]

Yeah wondering at what point forking the entire thing is a better idea than PR'ing more parameters but I really don't want to end up maintaining a whole ass track set and then having to backport yozora's future changes

😫

[strange quiver]

yeah...

[turbid bronze]

Track sets are big and complex

[strange quiver]

idk, that's why I was planning on doing a separate track set that's more dedicated to Australian stuff anyway

but that's a meh thing

[turbid bronze]

Yeah then you're stuck looking after it 😛

[strange quiver]

tbf it's not like I'm opposed to it 🙂

I'd need to make custom graphics for some stuff anyway, so it wouldn't entirely be a JP+ fork

but yh, I'll have to make a mockup soon-ish if only for testing purposes

and then I can expand it

[turbid bronze]

these are the three scotch gauge tracks, would we want the concrete slabs one or could we get away with just wooden ties and concrete ties?

[strange quiver]

tbh, if we're proposing an Australian Paramater for JP+, we don't need the slab tracks at all

[turbid bronze]

No not really

[strange quiver]

but yh, we don't need the slabs, there's no track like that IRL here

[turbid bronze]

I've never seen concrete slabs like that in SA at least

[strange quiver]

only place I've seen them is on parts of Sydney Metro, but it's still not common

[turbid bronze]

and I haven't seen much of melbournes trains, certainly not while sober, but I don't recall seeing anything like that either

[strange quiver]

yeah

tbh if we're making an australia mode, it might also be a good idea to up the speed limit on the concrete ties track to 160kph

since both QR and NSW operate trains at that speed

[turbid bronze]

Yeah could do

I honestly just disable speed limits most of the time but yeah

eh, lemme think about it

I'll do some pondering

[strange quiver]

all good, lmk how it goes

also, if I ever make a dedicated north american track set, having a low voltage DC option for interurban and rapid transit stuff

[signal gate]

Wild ideas occur

No nvm

[strange quiver]

hey it could be fun

also

ALCO DL531s (NSW 48, Silverton 48s & SAR 930 classes) done

coded as a narrow, standard, and broad gauge locomotive

not super happy with the side angles, but I can touch it up later if need be

[haughty pollen]

48 class my beloved

[strange quiver]

they're so cool 🙂

[signal gate]

well my idea was abstracting railtypes somehow

for 1x zoom, there's not much visual difference between some of the gauges

[mental musk]

werent some DL531s used in Greece?

alongside DL500s?

[signal gate]

most of the love for railtype grfs is for the visual appearance

not quite sure my idea can be done in the spec....but

if railtype grfs provided sprites, and the train grf 'installed' gauges and electrification

[turbid bronze]

not entirely visual, I like using different rails and building concurrent somewhat incompatible networks because it pushes the challenge back to fitting everything into limited space - buildable tiles being the true currency

[signal gate]

hard agree on that

[turbid bronze]

and making choices that may bite you in the ass fifty years later in the tech tree

I like in principle the AC/DC split, going heavy into DC early game because that's all you've got and then being stuck later on

[signal gate]

hmmm....I don't think there's a way to chain to another grf's action 3

[turbid bronze]

i also like the idea of doing dumb shit like building one entire island of a different gauge just for funsies

[signal gate]

back to Horsing

[strange quiver]

also idk if anyone's been watching the fallout show, but I've been paying attention for any trains that appear and in S2E1 there's a double deck metrolink train in the background

I'm hoping we see a few more train shots simply because it gives me inspiration for that fallout train set I mentioned a while back

[red stump]

are you guys in here making a Ragin purpose built JP+ tracks fork 🤔

[turbid bronze]

Idk, maybe, I really don’t want to maintain an entire track set though. But I also don’t know whether it’s appropriate to PR it back to Yozora either. Broad gauge would need like minimum nine ID’s so id have to do a parameter that reclaims like, linimo, dual gauge, scotch gauge, and maybe even the rubber tire guideways

[left cipher]

I feel like if youre doing something to make an austalian trackset real youd want it to be its own GRF for findability reasons, even if it is mostly just JP+ under the hood

[turbid bronze]

My intention at least wasn’t to make an entire Australian trackset though Ragin has some interest in that. I play with mixed loadouts of trains, and I like JP+ tracks more than anything else, so I want JP+ tracks support for the train grf’s I wanna use.

I also don’t want to inherit/lump myself with another entire grf (a trackset at that) to look after as I’ve already got enough half finished projects

[modest violet]

What we really need is that Peter PR to let track GRFs define more than 64 rail types, but then still only have 64 in a map at one time

[turbid bronze]

Look there’s a lot of things we need, but for now we deal with what we’ve got.

[modest violet]

And then just table the discussion for now on making a new menu/updating the menu for tracks, because the current PR isn't good imo

[modest violet]

Shhhh I want to dream!

[turbid bronze]

The current menu is useless for anything more than 30 active tracks as it is

Personally I’d like grf extensible top menu bar, I’d like things like eyecandy roads and log flume etc separated out of the road/tram button.

Roads and trams are seperate buttons but all rails 5ever and ever get jammed into one button?

[left cipher]

i stg it would all be fixed if peter would finish up his text filtering in dropdowns PR

[turbid bronze]

Not really, I personally don’t use text filtering elsewhere in ottd, I don’t use keyboards in mouse centric UI’s, I use my mouse.

I use keyboards in keyboard centric UI’s

[left cipher]

fair enough, id still like to see it implemented tho

[signal gate]

put the tracks in the train grf

and then disable if another grf provides

alkaline batteries included, can be replaced with lipo

[left cipher]

really dont think thats what this discussion is about

[signal gate]

no railtypes discussion ever is 😛

I'm old enough to have lived through the last 2 wars 😛

derailtypes

[red stump]

I would never use a keyword search for railtypes, just scroll down

am I the only one who's never had an issue with the railtypes menu? it could be more organized maybe but its just a scroll bar

[left cipher]

its fine with me but a lot of people seem to have issues

[red stump]

keyword search for objects and such is invaluable however

[signal gate]

I have no issues with the railtype menu

when I use JP+ (for testing) I find it completely overwhelming

[modest violet]

think its worse if you have a low resolution/high scaling but i play with stuff pretty small so its fine for me too

[signal gate]

and have no idea how any of you use that

but

[red stump]

I dont understand why scrolling down is such a skill issue lol

[turbid bronze]

Yeah we’re violently off topic now

[red stump]

blame andy

I would love a broad gauge selection for Ragin stuff however

[signal gate]

lolz in Horse wagons also

we get used to long menus

railtypes is probably better now the menu has the option to not be click-and-hold

[modest violet]

yeah agreed

[signal gate]

I find that I just don't know what a lot of this is

and the client doesn't provide much info

which a better UI could do easily

[turbid bronze]

You wouldn’t unless you’re running JP+ engines

[signal gate]

like....I don't even have any Scotch Gauge trains

[turbid bronze]

Yeah because you don’t have all of the JP+ train sets loaded

It’s not made for running with horse. It does however Just Work (tm) if you have all the JP+ grf’s installed

This also has nothing to do with Ragin

[signal gate]

OpenTTD could do a better job

yair fair point though

but can't some of the railtypes in JP+ yield to provide broad gauge for AU?

or something

[turbid bronze]

Yes we’ve discussed this

I haven’t decided what, if anything, to do about it yet

[modest violet]

Anyways, asking for an anonymous friend... hows those steamers going 🤣

[strange quiver]

:/

[turbid bronze]

hahahaha

[strange quiver]

soooooooooon

working on a basic diesel roster first

also apparently they made a single, 1067mm gauge VR T Class

which is neat

[signal gate]

that's boss

[strange quiver]

having more brain worms about trains in fallout, and apparently there were a few in fallout tactics

first seems to be a normal SD40, second is a GG1 without pantographs? and the third is some sort of dual cab GP40?

not something I wanna work on in the near future, but it's brain storming if I ever get around to doing it

although it will require more of NARPS to be complete since it'll rely on it

[turbid bronze]

Yeah New Vegas had a few trains, just generic F looking things

[strange quiver]

yee, basically a green and gold F-unit

[turbid bronze]

FO4 just has it's absurd looking retrofuturistic nuclear train things

and suspended monorails

[strange quiver]

yeah, which I'd have to decide what to do with

I'd probably have to draw it to be far more sensible

monorails shouldn't be too hard since it can just be re-done as a normal monorail

but yh, I'm thinking it'll most be generic-fictionalised versions of american locomotives from 1930-1980

[turbid bronze]

yes, but they have to be on steroids and possibly also nuclear for use between 2000 and 2077 when the bombs dropped 😛

just bigger and stinkier

[strange quiver]

tbh that's what I was thinking

IRL in our timeline the 1970s/1980s saw the fuel crisis and computerisation come to dominate modern locomotives

[turbid bronze]

2077? I'm getting mixed up with cyberpunk but the bombs dropped some time around that

No wait it was 2077

[strange quiver]

so I'm thinking for fallout, it'd be the opposite, where locomotives are same as in our timeline until the 80s, and then they become big and stinky

stuff like the DD40 becomes more normal

and then the 2000s is when nuclear reactors become small enough to be viable for railway applications

although I might keep conventional diesels for general freight/passenger use, and then giant nuclear things for heavy/fast freight

[strange quiver]

you goober 🙂

[turbid bronze]

I've been playing a lot of cyberpunk

[strange quiver]

tbh it would also be worthwhile thinking of postwar stuff too, since then it can work with wasteland

but idk how I'd depict refurbished older locomotives in Openttd

[turbid bronze]

speaking of which, punch card operated giant nuclear powered maglev freight trains

[strange quiver]

in Fallout 2 and New Vegas it is made clear that the NCR has some limited ability to construct new lines, and re open old ones, so presumably they'd also been manufacturing some locomotives parts

doubt they'd be able to make new locomotives, even by the 2280s

[strange quiver]

punch card operated?

[strange quiver]

valid

[turbid bronze]

yeah in the mission where you nick the basilisk the control tower is operated off punchcards

technology is interesting in cyberpunk

[strange quiver]

actually I think I might have to sit down and draw out a roster for this, because it'll almost entirely have to be made up

[strange quiver]

oh interesting then

[turbid bronze]

the freight maglev, nuclear powered apparently.

[strange quiver]

such a goofy looking thing

[turbid bronze]

and the trans continental passenger maglev, we don't get a good view of it in game since we find it in an underground station

[strange quiver]

ooooh, I love that thing

[turbid bronze]

But yeah I think a futuristic train set lifting influences from a few settings could be cool

[strange quiver]

true, but I do think I'd wanna try and stick to fictional stuff since it gives me more leeway

and I do vaguely know what kind of style I'd wanna do the fallout stuff anyway

also we're gonna need a town set with fallout style architecture

the lucky 38 in the lastest episode of fallout looked so good...

[turbid bronze]

I mean most of the architecture is just 1940's americana with the occasional futuristic tower or something

[strange quiver]

true

but we don't really have any town sets with those style of futuristic buildings 🙂

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I keep wanting to draw some but my attention span is frightfully short

[strange quiver]

tsk tsk tsk

get on it, then we can have interesting games that go past 2020

also for a fallout set, I'd have to work out what manufacturers there would be

I guess Chryslus would be the equivelent of GM?

idk what the eqivelant to GE would be

[strange quiver]

bloody X class and their stupid bug eyes

it's kinda annoying to do but I think this works?

the large front windows make it look like a sad puppy dog

nvm it's the autism creature

[turbid bronze]

Accurate

[mental musk]

the 2nd train looks like an armoured railcar
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Skansen_w_Chabówce_-_pociag_pancerny_01.JPG

Also note the coach in the 1st picture.... Reminds me of germean umbauwagen

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Umbauwagen_der_Gattung_B4yg_(75_911)_der_Museumseisenbahn_Hanau_e._V.JPG/330px-Umbauwagen_der_Gattung_B4yg_(75_911)_der_Museumseisenbahn_Hanau_e._V.JPG

oh, now I noticed that the GG1 is derailed and sits on it's side lol

indeed, GG1

[frigid drum]

Lore wise NCR has a functioning society in California, with car manufacturing, so trains should not be a problem too.
In new Vegas, there are trains that are operational and assigned to the Barstow depot.
They were abondoned due to escaped convicts with dynamite

Show sadly makes it looks like it's 2085 and not 2280s

[strange quiver]

is the car manufacturing mentioned anywhere? I don't recall that?

[frigid drum]

I got it from the video, video got it from fallout bible 5 by Chris Avelonne

[strange quiver]

oooh fair

I'll have to look into that then

guess I'll have to work out what NCR rolling stock might be then

tbh I'd imagine it'd be kitbashed stuff that IRL railroads made in house

[frigid drum]

Yeah scavenging manufacturing from what you can get

[frigid drum]

Monorails 😛

[strange quiver]

there will be many monorails 🙂

[mint cargo]

If i could suggest what models would be running on a Fallout timeline, i can imagine the GE U50, Cheseapeake & Ohio M-1, Norfolk & Western Steam-Turbine and Krauss-Maffei from Southern Pacific, but they run if nuclear reactors. They are still like 50s style vibe but not the obvious F-Series style too...

[strange quiver]

tbh they'd be something I'd look at

but everything would be largely fictionalised

[strange quiver]

doing final touches on the X class atm, and apparently the first series had the weird 16-567E engines

which were a 567 engine block with 645 power assemblies

not many locomotives got that

[strange quiver]

VR X class done

kinda cheated because the X class series 2 uses the same sprite as the series 1, but they're similar enough that's its fine

IRL the only change was an engine swap from the 567 to the 645, so it's reflected in game by a the engine being slightly more powerful

might quickly do the S class now since the Series 1 X Classes were very similar to them

at least internally

also I'll fix the livery error I just noticed

[strange quiver]

Clyde A16C (VR S Class, NSW 42 Class, and later GM Class) done 🙂

only been working on this for a bit, but I've started to get a decent roster going

[severe elbow]

8650 mentioned ❤️

[strange quiver]

we love 8650 🙂

[severe elbow]

Electric tri-bo locos my beloved

[strange quiver]

I need more of them 🙂

[severe elbow]

Done the GM10B yet?

[strange quiver]

no, idk if I will this time around

but we'll see

plan rn is to release NARP at the end of next week

[severe elbow]

Oh nice

[strange quiver]

so if I have the motivation by then, I'll add it

[severe elbow]

Have you done any of the qr electric locos yet either

Some of those are tri bo by my knowledge

[strange quiver]

not yet, but I want to do them soon

Australia doesn't have too many electrics so I can very easily get them out of the way

[severe elbow]

I very easily did the nz electrics in a few weeks

[strange quiver]

Yee

And I'll have to do them too at some point

[severe elbow]

There’s only 6 electric locos tbf

4 emus, 1 bi mode unit coming soon

It’s quite simple

[strange quiver]

Yee, it'll be quite quick to do

Especially now that I've got a lot of experience doing boxcabs

[severe elbow]

Works well with the jp+ voltages too since there’s only 2

And it’s all 1067mm

The realisation I’m going to have to draw mk2s

[strange quiver]

Yee

[strange quiver]

Have fun with those 🙂

[mental musk]

I do not want to derail this topic, but I have heard that in emergency situations railways are easier to maintain/reactivate than high-quality roadways that can support heavy truck traffic without often repairs

There is an story about conflict in Vietnam where 1 side broke the tracks, and the 2nd repaired them quickly and the situation repeated day after day after day.
Also, partially related, some say that in Hiroshima electric tramways were reactivated 2 days after the atomic bomb fell (this can be an propaganda story...)

[strange quiver]

Well fair enough

[finite mountain]

Know you're focusing on the Oceania stuff right now but here's a new train for the rapid transit pack

They just revealed these for Toronto

There's some more photos of them here
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1006925/ontario-investing-to-increase-canadian-content-in-line-2-subway-cars&ved=2ahUKEwiG6YmVwo6SAxUd38kDHVmVAaUQFnoECCoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0b6gb1J8E7AcjViVKBBGWF

[strange quiver]

ooooh fair

I won't do them now, but they'll go on the list

[earnest meadow]

I really like the design

[finite mountain]

Yeah so do I, but I'm honestly super surprised there isn't a single bit of stainless steel in the design

For a North American subway train, it just kind of feels unnatural

[earnest meadow]

MARTA's new Stadlers are like that too

[finite mountain]

Yeah, but it still, atleast to me, looks somewhat North American in it's design

This on the other hand looks straight out of Europe

[strange quiver]

new boy spooted 👀

[haughty pollen]

Blue Goose V set?

[strange quiver]

apparently so

[turbid bronze]

Couple of the bombardiers are off slightly

[strange quiver]

Oh shit they are

I'll fix that in a bit

[mental musk]

why this has colour combination and general design of some sort of japanese private railroad?

(KEIKYU?)

[finite mountain]

The livery is the TTCs newer livery that was introduced with the Flexity Outlook streetcars and was applied to all newer and some of the older buses

[finite mountain]

These are also gonna be the first subway cars since the G series to have a livery

I wonder what they'll refer to the new trains. I was thinking the Metropolis series (M series) but the M series name already has been used

[mental musk]

looking at the image, i suppose series 5500

or M-2 looking at thair scheme

[dawn veldt]

no if only toronto could put in more metro lines 🙄

they have thet size for quite a lot, but dont do it

which im surue they could cut down most of hte traffic with more transit

especially off the don...

[mental musk]

thay closed one of tham some time ago...

why...

[dawn veldt]

of course they would...

[mental musk]

thay axed the trolleybus, than this subway line... what will be next?

Amazingly the tramway still seems to be going strong

[valid scroll]

the scarborough line was always kinda fucky, it was basically a completely separate system from the rest of the subway system (different gauge, different stock, etc)

[mental musk]

regauging the line would not be expensive

[finite mountain]

Well, the main reason they closed it down is because they are expanding Line 2 into Scarborough

And since the old RT line was mainly used to connect Kennedy with Scarborough Centre, it would've become useless with the new extension being completed

[valid scroll]

its an elevated line and they would have to be widened, I'm not sure if the existing bridges can support it

[finite mountain]

Also the line runs mainly in retail and industrial sections without much residential development around it

The new extension will serve the Scarborough Centre Mall, one of the hospitals in Scarborough, and may connect with Line 4 in the future

And the area around the stops has more residential area around it compared to the SRT

[oblique bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8zaXeOaneY

[mental musk]

capitalism....

i was speachless whan i have seen the spetas plans

[strange quiver]

fixed 🙂

[turbid bronze]

Jeeze you plowed through these quick

[signal gate]

production rate: high

[turbid bronze]

someone delivered 80 crates of engineering supplies

[mental musk]

the purchase and running costs are to be scaled to be compatible with horse?

[turbid bronze]

roughly, but ragins stuff is more irl balanced than gameplay balanced

[strange quiver]

tbf it's mostly kitbashing

I've already done most of the parts, so I just need to copy and past off other stuff

[turbid bronze]

also warn me before you add electrified narrow gauge or i'm gonna leave jp+ tracks on unelectfied narrow gauge only and completely miss them lmao

[strange quiver]

I'll make sure to post about it 🙂

[signal gate]

nobody ever adds electrified narrow gauge, it's a myth 😛

[strange quiver]

I'm a goober though

[strange quiver]

actually I might do a QR electric tonight

I've gotta be up till midnight since a friend is crashing at mine lmao

[turbid bronze]

a friend eh

'baby come to bed' 'i cant i have to draw more tiny trains'

[strange quiver]

look I wish I was that much of a chad 🙁

[strange quiver]

I think I've gotten a little better lmao

[haughty pollen]

We all had an overly noisy phase 😅

[turbid bronze]

I think a bit of noise is good for texture but yes, the earlier example is a tad 'well done'

been in the oven a bit too long

[signal gate]

noise obscures shape 🙂

[turbid bronze]

If over done yes

but if the sprite already has enough detail in it then it's not even needed anyway

[signal gate]

then

now

[woeful halo]

N th diesel loco time ?

[strange quiver]

Soooon

It'll probably be next on the list

[strange quiver]

QR 3500/3600 and 3900 classes done

[turbid bronze]

I guess I’ll have to turn NG electric on in my grf list now :3

[strange quiver]

yeah 🙂

although when you enable it in a running game with JP+ it does seem to get a bit weird

[turbid bronze]

Yeah no I don’t make those sorta changes on a running game

[strange quiver]

coward

[turbid bronze]

I’ve broken too many saves before 😫

And embarrassed myself reporting them as bugs to JGR…

[strange quiver]

still

cowards break their saves without thinking about it 🙂

[strange quiver]

also working on doing the third rail versions of various locomotives

[strange quiver]

3R versions all done

and if you need a AC, DC and 3R locomotive, Comeng's got you covered I guess lmao

[strange quiver]

new kiwirail shunter dropped apparently

[strange quiver]

NZ DX Class (GE U26C) done

kinda hard to do the clockwork orange scheme, but this should do for now

[turbid bronze]

oh that's neat

[versed sparrow]

Pls add this abomination

[strange quiver]

what even is that?

it'd have to go in a future project, since I'm only focusing on Australian/NZ stuff atm

[versed sparrow]

Mexican version of a sd40

[strange quiver]

presumably narrow gauge though?

[versed sparrow]

Cool these could wait

[versed sparrow]

Ye it is for narrow gauge and also its Brazilian

This looks so weird

[strange quiver]

oooh yh

weird seeing an export loco next to a US domestic locomotive

[haughty pollen]

I'm pretty sure that is in the Tropic Set

[versed sparrow]

Oh wait it is

[severe elbow]

DX CLASS

My life is complete

[red stump]

am I missing anything here? of your new stuff

IH is in wagons only mode

ah comprehensive north american

[late pewter]

Rest in piss fca 🙏

Hope to meet everyone involved in it when i arrive at the fiery gates

[strange quiver]

Well the NARP locomotive and wagon set are missing

But they're not on bananas yet

[red stump]

Oh okay I thought they felt light

I'll hold off hah

[turbid bronze]

Yeah best experience is getting the grf’s straight from a fresh compile

Bunch of the Oceanian stuff is out of date and getting recoded from scratch

The NA stuff is pretty good though. And because Ragin pre allocates ID’s well in advance save game compatibility is really good.

[strange quiver]

At least it should be from this point on

I might have to bump ids around more, but we'll see

[strange quiver]

Yee, I'm gonna release everything on bananas by the end of this week

I'm just sitting on it in case I get any last minute inspiration

[red stump]

if there's a bit more menu sorting that would be the icing on the cake

[strange quiver]

wdym?

I do still need to work out how to do badges if that's what you're refering to

[haughty pollen]

You can use code to sort vehicles in the purchase list independent of their ID

that's why the vehicle IDs in JP+ Engines are an absolute mess lol

[strange quiver]

yee, but I'd also rather have the ids be nice 🙂

although that is my backup if need be

[turbid bronze]

I’ve been sorting my purchase lists by intro date more often then not, god I wish it would remember that setting though 😭

[haughty pollen]

I wish it would remember badge filters too

[turbid bronze]

I haven't been using badge filters much since ragins stuff doesn't have badges yet

and things like 'generation' wouldn't make sense in a horse+ragin game

[turbid bronze]

heh, we're gonna need some narrow gauge rolling stock at some point, horse wagons are very smol behind the new QR electrics lmao

[haughty pollen]

JP+ Engines wagons only mode?

[turbid bronze]

Maybe, could be fun.

Depends on how offsets etc go since Ragin has setup to use the weird horse offsets

[gritty bone]

could send the beta builds on github for feedback then release em on Bananas later on in the month=

[strange quiver]

tbf they're effectively already there

[strange quiver]

I knooooow

I've got how to do that planned

gonna do that relatively soon-ish

I really want those round coal hoppers

I'm a normal woman with a normal interest in coal trains

these AN cars goes so hard

[red stump]

I'm not sure how to put it, if you look at IH (even pre badges) it's pretty easy to navigate

With ORP I get lost sometimes

I'd need to take a look at it to give a good example

[strange quiver]

how so?

tbf I think I vaguely know what you're talking about, and it might be fixed in the newer version of NARP

I've tried to include more visual things to signify different locomotives

(ie visible shoes on 3r equipment)

[red stump]

at a glance, this all blends together for me

[turbid bronze]

These are the current .grf's btw

the other ORP ones are getting redrawn and recoded

[strange quiver]

oh yh that's out of date

[red stump]

ah ok, I just took whats on bananas

[strange quiver]

you can see part of the purchase menu here

[red stump]

like IH clearly separates freight/pax/mu

[strange quiver]

so things should be a lot more discernable

[strange quiver]

yee, and I do that too

[red stump]

okay very nice

[turbid bronze]

I've pinged you elsewhere kale with the current versions as of about two hours ago

[red stump]

completely missed that

alright I got eyes

now you're cookin' with gas

even the small selection of wagons look awesome

[strange quiver]

it does need to be expanded though

but I'm hoping to flesh out the ORP one more

[red stump]

wait are the voltages functional?

[strange quiver]

yee

[turbid bronze]

yup

[red stump]

goodness this is glorious

[strange quiver]

and in the new version of ORP so are the different gauges

[turbid bronze]

did you end up making broad fall back to standard? coz I'm not seeing any broad gauge locos

(even under standard)

[strange quiver]

kinda

[turbid bronze]

probably fine to just leave them off if you don't have the rails tbhhhhh

[strange quiver]

all the broad gauge locomotives are going to support standard regardless

[turbid bronze]

ah gotcha

so no point then

[strange quiver]

but... there is a separate BG only version that only appears if you have a valid track type

[turbid bronze]

yeah that's fine I reckon

[strange quiver]

would help if I had a broad gauge track type for testing though 🙂

[red stump]

Finally I can do shit like this

[strange quiver]

yeah >:)

[red stump]

you got anything on the sheet for fictional NA modern freight locos?

[strange quiver]

not particularly

oh wait

[red stump]

electric ones I mean

[strange quiver]

yeah, I have some ideas

but I'm gonna save them for in future

I do also wanna include some fictional AC/DC and DC locomotives since post 1950 there aren't any DC locomotives

[red stump]

yeahh

you could maybe come with some lore there, like more DC out west because of the milwaukee road

I wonder what the SP electrification plans were

[strange quiver]

yeah, that's sorta the plan

if the MLW kept their system, more than likely the NW US would be dominated by a 3kv system

so an AC/DC locomotive that can work train into/out of that area would be needed

[red stump]

very good

[strange quiver]

as far as I'm aware, it was 25/50kv AC

[red stump]

25kv AC transcon

man our timeline sucks

some great lore inspo though

[strange quiver]

yeah

that's one of the things I like doing fictional stuff for

it's nice to imagine the good timeline lmao

[turbid bronze]

not always, I swear I'm gonna raise a PR to change your move.bat's to copy.bat 😛

that said folks, it's really not hard to just run nmlc yourself

[strange quiver]

tbf you can 🙂

I really should do that at some point

[turbid bronze]

yeah I've just been lazy

[strange quiver]

I also need to work out how to have it replace the one in an active running game too so I can type "reload_newgrfs" to see a change instead of restarting

[turbid bronze]

plus I'm not infront of a windows computer and I don't want to find theres some dumb horseshit about copy and move taking arguments differently

[turbid bronze]

I mean that's what I normally do?

[strange quiver]

valid lmao

[strange quiver]

well fair enough

I swear there is a way you can just reload it

I do it when I'm testing with that nmlcreator thing

[turbid bronze]

i just copy over and overwrite the file and then do reload_newgrfs from the in game console

[red stump]

there are tears in my eyes, tears

its so beautiful

[strange quiver]

strange? my pc locks the file and won't let me replace it

[strange quiver]

that's why you've gotta pay attention in here

lots of cool new stuff 🙂

[red stump]

tons to mess around with here

this is all extremely cool

[strange quiver]

thanks 🙂

[red stump]

I think this allows me to do a 1980s NA alternative timeline scenario

[strange quiver]

it should

[red stump]

I need an excuse to give this a playtest

[strange quiver]

it still somewhat relies on Iron horse, but there's still fair bit of content

my current plan is for the next ORP update to be the first that allows a full playthrough from 1900 without relying on horse

and then I'll update NARP to be the same

[red stump]

you're doing the lords work

got a legend in the making here

[strange quiver]

I just like trains too much 🙁

[red stump]

I'm glad you like this specific niche haha

always hoped someone would make this

[strange quiver]

yeah

we love fictional trains and stuff 🙂

[haughty pollen]

I think I'm going to do another One Horse Challenge with all of this combined, should be fun

but first I want to do something with AXIS

[strange quiver]

you'll have so many horses though 🙂

[haughty pollen]

I'm gonna need a bigger map, even my current one is a bit too small with just Horse 😅

[strange quiver]

good problem to have 🙂

[signal gate]

Buy menu: Horse orders by role, then power and intro date

I explicitly choose default variants to have liveries that contrast their neighbour where possible

But IH is literally designed for “make the buy menu pleasing”, which is different to a survey set

[turbid bronze]

I've been sorting by intro date lately

especially with lots of horses available like when playing with ragins stuff

wagons I don't though. Split wagon+engine menu supremacy

[signal gate]

Isn’t it

[turbid bronze]

so many horses

horses for days

[signal gate]

Horse also has the advantage of unique names, not repitition of “Clyde” etc

Could badge the Ragin set manufacturer names?

[signal gate]

yeah I think that would be nice

visually the repeated manufacturer names are not suited to eye scanning

if a badge, the player could have them before the name, after the name, before the sprite

or hidden

[strange quiver]

valid, but at the same time, "JT42C" isn't identifiable either

I think when you're doing names like I do, the manufacturer name is helpful

or idk, I haven't thought about it too much

[woeful halo]

Nah I like the manufacturer names

Unless it's standardised as it is in India/UK with class names

[signal gate]

🤷‍♂️

I'm curious if manufacturer badges are even more useful in a survey set

[crystal crag]

Can badges put names in the namebox?

[signal gate]

if you want to find all the GEs or EMDs or whatever

[strange quiver]

a survey set?

[crystal crag]

Like, the way it is currently in Ragin's set, but have the manufacturer name be hidden on demand

[signal gate]

currently the badge string doesn't seem to show in purchase menu list

but that was something peter thought might be doable

for all those '(steam)' suffixes etc

[signal gate]

comprehensive representation of reality

like surveying a plot of land

Pikka's term not mine

[strange quiver]

ah fair

[signal gate]

hmm probably diagnostically valid for which neurodiversity cluster an author has also 😛

I have the red one 😛

[strange quiver]

tbh me too lmao

[turbid bronze]

Andy I'm sorry to tell you but you have a lot of the yellow ones too 😛

Problem with diagnosis in adults is you tend to learn through repeated beatings not to do the most extreme of behaviors that are then used for diagnosis 🙃

[signal gate]

overlapping symptom clusters

OCPD isn't autism

[turbid bronze]

but yes, it's a giant clusterfuck of comorbidities between adhd, autism, the traits that used to be split off into aspergers back in the DSM3 days, and yes OCD.

and anxiety and depression

[signal gate]

I have one autistic parent as well, which influences early learned behaviours

a chunk of my closest friends are fully diagnosed clearly autistic, because I know how to behave around them

[turbid bronze]

My dad is very ADHD, my mum is somewhat autistic. I'm like 20/80 adhd/autismo and my sister is very much 80/20 the other way.

[signal gate]

neurodiverse people are 9x more likely to have children with another neurodiverse person than a neurotypical person

and same for neurotypical

"according to survey"

[turbid bronze]

and she's fucking infuriating because she didn't get diagnosed into her forties and now uses it to blame fucking everything on and refuses to do any self development

[signal gate]

there's a badge for that

[turbid bronze]

'cunt'

[signal gate]

"my sibling has a label...and it's infuriating"

is a common story

"my sibling....is infuriating" shorter

[turbid bronze]

meanwhile I stopped seeing my shrink, stopped taking medication, got a life changing job on the other side of the country and lost forty kilos 🤣

[signal gate]

oh we derailed the nice trains topic?

[turbid bronze]

meanwhile my sister is teetering on the brink of being bankrupt and homeless any given month

[signal gate]

was it me?

yes I did it

[turbid bronze]

Possibly

[signal gate]

was me

[turbid bronze]

gold coin in the swear jar

anyways, thoughts: names: keep as is, IRL sets are inherently different to fantasy sets, and even in a fantasy set some fantasy manufacturers would be fun

badges for companies - would be cool, but i'd just turn them off

[signal gate]

someone ask peterer about optional badge text in buy menu

[turbid bronze]

would be cool, but i'd just turn them off

Would be interesting for composable names

much like composable piles of pixels in the purchase sprite 😛

I'd say get the badge badges in first before worrying about name badges

demonstrate to peterererer that we're actually using his feature first before asking for moar

[signal gate]

Horse 4 is better for not having all this

this is just simpler

[turbid bronze]

You'd say that, but I don't necesarily think it suffered for it either

So many vans, surely the van is redundant if it's repeated so many times

[signal gate]

and Express

everything is just "thing"?

[turbid bronze]

Its red so surely that's a given that it goes fast

[signal gate]

does it even need a name?

[turbid bronze]

but yes

[signal gate]

got a sprite

[turbid bronze]

you can reduce anything into absurdity

[signal gate]

which grf is this on bananas?

[turbid bronze]

One of the oceanian ones but they're the old grfs

ragin is allergic to updating bananananananananana make those bodies sing just as much as she's alergic to drawing steam locmotives

ducks

https://tenor.com/view/chair-hit-throw-rigby-gif-17178150

[strange quiver]

oh hell yeah congrats

I did the same before realising that didn't solve my body image issues and putting a fair chunk of it back on lmao

[signal gate]

near enough

[strange quiver]

I was actually working on steam stuff earlier, guess I'll delay it now...

[turbid bronze]

yeah this is like the 2nd time around, first was before dealing with the thing, except the thing wasn't the biggest issue I had and there were other issues to deal with.

[turbid bronze]

D:

[signal gate]

yeah ok so, this might be matter of taste, but the alt liveries would make the buy menu more visually scannable

[strange quiver]

fuuuuun :/

[strange quiver]

what would you suggest changing?

[turbid bronze]

but combining it with other major life changes has certainly helped

[strange quiver]

same

[turbid bronze]

Honestly at this point I don't think much needs to be changed.

[strange quiver]

transitioning has done so much more for my body image than weight loss ever did lmao

but also, it's made losing the weight so much easier too

[turbid bronze]

I don't necesarily think all of the problems horse had to solve are necesarily applicable to an IRL set

[signal gate]

yeah this is about design theory, not me trying to impose my solutions 🙂 feel free to ignore

[turbid bronze]

Horse is optimised to solve different problems, and uses different tools - gameplay generations, the fact it's mostly fictional.

[signal gate]

^ that's deliberately using colour and shape to create identity

[turbid bronze]

You can break up appearances in different ways

Yeah

Whereas the real world is messy

[signal gate]

if I set them all to banger blue

[turbid bronze]

Transition interestingly enough has mostly been a giant nothingburger for me

[signal gate]

then it's harder to parse ^^

[turbid bronze]

probably because I actively put it off for a decade

so by the time I had to deal with it, it was a forgone conclusion.

'well you did everything else and it didn't work, so suck shit'

[strange quiver]

tbf I'm always open to ideas 🙂

[strange quiver]

yeah, but like relred said, it doesn't work well with an IRL set

especially when I don't wanna give every locomotive a "default" livery that's the same

[turbid bronze]

I think badges long term will help, livery badges, manufacturer badges, yadda yadda yadda, but I suspect with how broad the scope of what you're doing is, and with how uncontrollable the real world is, you're going to be stuck with compromises.

[strange quiver]

yh, that's fair enough

[turbid bronze]

The breadth of scope is probably the biggest challenge

[strange quiver]

yeah, I am looking forward to putting badges in

[turbid bronze]

you have fucking hundreds of locos

[strange quiver]

just need to work out how first tho

[strange quiver]

yeah...

[turbid bronze]

Hey it's a good problem

Imagine how harsh it's gonna be for people who play with vehicle expiries turned off

(fuck em)

[strange quiver]

tbf I'm one of thos people 🙂

but that's only because I keep forgetting to turn it off when I'm done testing

[turbid bronze]

I need to go through RIMS and FRIMS and fix up their purchase graphics (moreso than my forks already do)

granted, it's rare you'll actually see them all together in game

[signal gate]

centred sprite supremacy

wonder if that should just be a player setting 😛