Ragins Train Sets

[strange quiver]

thanks for spotting that

and fixed

now VR signals

[strange quiver]

had to redraw the lights to be narrower because I wasn't bothered creating my own templates

but I think they work

[strange quiver]

and that's pretty much every signal style in Australia and NZ done

I do have a few more I wanna do, those being:

• Two aspect semaphores
• position light dwarf signals
• colour light dwarf signals
• metro/underground signals
• CBTC

but they're a future problem

[haughty pollen]

And these support multiaspect realistic braking?

[strange quiver]

if JP+ signals does, then these do

since I pretty much copied that code

[haughty pollen]

Ah, very nice

[strange quiver]

stil WIP, but here's the GRF if anyone wants to test it out

gonna do more signals tomorrow

[oblique bone]

can you make-

[mental musk]

you mean draw berlin S-bahn?

[oblique bone]

yuh if possible ( i dont force )

[mental musk]

I have tham in plans

No problem

although I still need somebody to programme my trains as I have some problems understanding the language

[fickle lodge]

Here are some information related to NYC subway R68A stock. ID 5840 from GNARTS should be the relevant vehicle.

[strange quiver]

Oooooh, neat

Thanks

[strange pivot]

you're missing a few victorian styles but it looks great

[strange quiver]

oh? which ones?

[strange pivot]

also, yellow over green is before yellow over red

not sure if you were listing it or it was in order

[strange quiver]

oh I know, this isn't fully based on the IRL aspects, it's "Openttdified" so more aspects can be used

[strange pivot]

we also have diagonal auto signals like this

[strange quiver]

because tbf, if I was just using the real aspects, I'd just be using the full speed aspects

[strange quiver]

I know, I'm just not including them because I'm trying to keep things somewhat simple

it's why the route signals don't have them either

[strange pivot]

yeah it could get a lot more complicated

still great to have an australian signal set

[strange quiver]

yeah, I could go full on when it comes to complexity

[strange pivot]

we also have banner repeaters, speed indicators, route indicators, gauge indicators haha

[strange quiver]

but I'm trying to keep it reasonably simple for gameplay purposes

[strange quiver]

yee, but those I'm also avoiding because of added complexity

but... I'm not opposed to looking into them in future

[strange pivot]

don't forget low speed signals :D

[strange quiver]

I know 😦 but same issue

added complexity that isn't super neccesary

[strange pivot]

I mainly play openttd like a model railway so I like complexity, but it sure takes time to do all that

[strange quiver]

well tbf, all my stuff is CC-BY

maybe one day I'll do something that covers all the complexities, but if someone else wants to use my stuff to make that, they're more than welcome

but I prefer gameplay orientated stuff, so that's why my stuff is designed mostly for gameplay first, and full accuracy second

[strange quiver]

new Comeng just dropped

tbh this livery goes hard, although I suppose you can already do it with my Comeng sprites in game

[strange quiver]

oh yh, signal set now out

gonna loop back and add semaphores at a later date

[mental musk]

I bet that this one is an technical train/MOW?

[strange quiver]

yee, for hauling a track inspection vehicle

[mental musk]

hmmmmm not enough locos?

To haul an defectoscope with an MU

btw:

EVERYTHING can became an technical service vehicle - just paint it yellow

[strange quiver]

well VR doesn't have any electric locomotives anymore

and it saves them leasing diesels

also diesels are bad in the underground

[mental musk]

if the line does not include long underground section you can haul the defectoscope with an diesel

Still, looks nice in this livery

[strange quiver]

yh, but they also wanna do it in house

it saves money leasing diesels

[mental musk]

I also bet that this set will be used for transporting diffrent itemns/tools etc. to construction sites

Commuter MUs have a lot of space inside and wide doors

just like mail vans

[strange quiver]

nope, just for hauling the track inspection vehicle

they have other wagons that are for haulage, but they're too heavy to use motor cars

[mental musk]

ok

I understand

But I am speaking not about towing an boxcar, but about carrying tools in the MU

[strange quiver]

Well probably then I guess

[mental musk]

https://images.cnscdn.com/0/b/4/9/0b49e1ec2180afc4b5dffbc0c3012379/original.jpg

First time seing this concept

[strange quiver]

oh yh

it's a bit funky looking

[fluid sluice]

are these available somewhere to use?

[strange quiver]

Not yet, I still need to finish the set

[frosty sand]

Fiat railcar on MBTA

https://www.trenidicarta.it/archivi/product-details.php?s_id=aln_668_mbta

[strange quiver]

Oh dear

On the list now

[somber bear]

Hey, can you add a common tag in bananas for all of your grfs? Maybe your name or whatever suits you.
I literally had to browse developer_updates channel to find all of your sets.

[red stump]

That would be helpful I agree

[glossy compass]

tags don't exist on bananas anymore

[strange quiver]

I'll look into it

[strange quiver]

Oh? Do they not?

[glossy compass]

No they were removed

[strange quiver]

Oh well rip then

[lone patrol]

Why were they removed

[glossy compass]

Miss use of something

[signal gate]

they were not useful

[glossy compass]

they were very good for acronyms

[mental musk]

super sonic bug

[strange quiver]

Yeee, thats an old bug thats fixed in the latest version

I just haven't posted it yet

[red stump]

alright so been doing a lot of testing for an MP scenario, having some weird things happening with third rail trains

[strange quiver]

Oh? How so?

[red stump]

so GNARTS works on both 4th and 3rd rail in SUKTS

but ORP only works on 4th rail

running IH in the same game and it's metros only work on 4th

[strange quiver]

Okay strange

[red stump]

they all work on JP+ third rail but then you can't run any train but third rail powered trains on that

[strange quiver]

I'll have to do some testing because I've never tried it with SUKTS

[strange quiver]

Yee, which is annoying

I normally play with U&RERM so thats what most of my testing has been done with

But yh, I'll test a few things, GNARTS might be borked since it was my first grf

The newer version should be fixed, but it's also still wip

[red stump]

I mean that one seems to work on all of them which is totally fine

I think rationally the mainline 3rd rail trains from ORP should work on 3rd rail but not 4th rail

not sure how its classified behind the hood

but if it worked on both that would be totally fine

I had similar problems when I was using them with SETS

[strange quiver]

Yee, well I'll take a look tonight

I'm out atm so I can't do too much atm

[red stump]

no rush just thought it might be good to know haha

[strange quiver]

Yee, I know

I'll just try and do what I can so you can run a game

Worst case, can just upload the new version of GNARTs with the old sprited as a backup

[red stump]

luckily no trains have been run yet haha

[strange quiver]

Yeee

Oh btw, do you mind sending me your grf list specifically so I can test things?

[strange quiver]

having a test, it seems the latest version of GNARTS and ORP 3Rail both can use 3rd or 4th rail in SUKTS

[glossy compass]

What label do they use?

[strange quiver]

railtypetable {
RAIL, SAA3: [ MTRO, SBA3, SCA3, SDA3, "3RDR", "3RDC", MTRO, ELRL], ELRL

they all use SAA3

[glossy compass]

That's wrong in a few ways and you might want two different ones one for metro and one for mainline

SAA3 is not in the actual list meaning it won't do anything it's currently just an identifier for the list you also shouldn't use the SxA3 labels in there since at best they don't do anything

The reason SUKTS is weird is that 3rd rail trails are allowed on 4rth rail but not the inverse and 4th is metro which in your list comes first which makes sense when wanting to make sure it functions like a metro but not for mainline 3rd rail

[strange quiver]

also MTRO is listed twice

but yh...

it seems to work though, and I just use SxA3 because I'm trying to stick to the universal track type scheme

[glossy compass]

When using that scheme SxA3 shouldn't be used

[strange quiver]

how should it look then?

[glossy compass]

Train sets do not care about the speed limit, and will always set the lowest speed class, i.e. A.

[mental musk]

I also would like to ask if these are 100% compatible with horse tacks?

as thay seem to be perfect horse expirience exhancers

[signal gate]

I think somewhere, something has gone wrong

compatibility is not determined by vehicle set authors

compatibility is determined by the railtype author

[mental musk]

but horse is an track set too

[signal gate]

this entire conversation shouldn't be happening 😛

[glossy compass]

METRO: [MTRO, (SAA4), SAA3, ''3RDR", SAAZ, "3RDC", SAAE, ELRL]
3RD_MAINLINE: [SAA3, ''3RDR", SAAZ, "3RDC", MTRO, SAAE, ELRL]

[strange quiver]

aaaaaaa

[strange quiver]

gonna be a pain, but I'll switch to that then

[signal gate]

it's the job of the SUKTS author to define how Ragin's trains work

this nml 'table' should never have been added

[glossy compass]

True but the vehicle needs to identify itself correctly which wasn't the case

If you want 3rd rail mainline you can't use a metro label since tracks will think that should be a metro train

[glossy compass]

Don't copy the () they are there to mark it optional depends on if you think going on 4th is better then 3rd if 4th might be more metro like

[strange quiver]

fair enough

[glossy compass]

Iron horse railtypes are still broken iirc ELRL doesn't work

[strange quiver]

also I put in this railtype table

and when using SUKTs, metro trains can still be used on 3rd rail mainline tracks

[glossy compass]

That doesn't line up with SUKTS code

Could you send the grf

[glossy compass]

thx

it seems to depend on sukts parameters and how many tracks it provides

works with the extra selection

so your side is correct

[strange quiver]

oh yh, I increased the amount of track types in SUKTS and it works fine

easy then

I'll carry this forward with all my other stuff then

[modest violet]

does this also then work with JP+ Tracks specifically the 3rd rail stuff?

[glossy compass]

it should work but iirc JP+ doesn't differentiate between metro and 3rd

[signal gate]

What even is metro?

[severe elbow]

oh god lets not ask rabbithole questions

[glossy compass]

Idk but people treat it separately

[mental musk]

it's called an subway becouse it is an SUBmerged electric railWAY

but in fact we don't have submerged lines in OTTD

[severe elbow]

subway and metro are different though

[mental musk]

(I mean stations, switches etc. only streight track)

[signal gate]

Was a genuine question

[mental musk]

waaaaaaaat?

[severe elbow]

like london overground is more metro compared to the deep level lines which are more subway

[signal gate]

Metro is

• elrl
• any 3rd rail
• specific 3rd rail
• 4th rail

My inclination is now to just delete it

[mental musk]

overground is an munipical overground electric railway

like S-bahn in Berlin

[severe elbow]

yea but it feels metro rather than subway

[glossy compass]

I have considered adding xMxx to represent metro for non sg 3rdr tracks

And something similar for highspeed

[strange quiver]

also, in a tengential note, NYC Composite, Lo-V, and AB standard cars are done :3

[mental musk]

another question

what is high-speed?

[glossy compass]

Nice

[steep echo]

When train fast

[mental musk]

Your definition of highspeed may vary

[severe elbow]

again please no more rabbit hole questions

[signal gate]

what's metro in the standardised scheme?

[glossy compass]

It doesn't exist which is why I propose xmxx

[signal gate]

is it not speed limit class U 'urban'?

[glossy compass]

No that's a eye candy one which isn't a part of the spec

[signal gate]

hmm

[glossy compass]

The speed limit class is a bit of a mistake

[signal gate]

so of the 4 available characters

2 of them are junk?

[glossy compass]

1 is 2nd position is necessary but it didn't have to be in the spec since it boils down to always use A

[signal gate]

speed is used by railtype, but not by vehicles

do labels have to be unique per railtype?

derailing this topic eh 😛

this should be in #add-on-development

[glossy compass]

Yes thats why we have the 'speed" class

[signal gate]

ok so the mistake was the idea that speed increments map to alphabetical progression

which is nonsense

Horse has made the same mistake mapping vehicle lengths to letters

[red stump]

"Metro" seems like a simplified scheme

I think it should just be defined by it being third rail

[red stump]

we mitigated this on my server by Yozura quickly updating JP+ tracks so diesels work on metro

so everything is all gucci mayne for now

[strange quiver]

new technology train done :3

[earnest meadow]

cuomo livery when

[strange quiver]

Cuomo livery?

[severe elbow]

i did not know those got that livery

[strange quiver]

Oooh, its getting that livery now

[wind valley]

blue stripe cc and yellow stripe 2cc, with white stripe separating?

[strange quiver]

Yee, thats how I normally do it

[strange quiver]

goes hard

gonna do the R211 now

[mental musk]

really nice

[strange quiver]

R211s done

gonna do the triplex before going to bed, since that one should be simple

but then it's basically just a handful of MBTA subway cars and GNARTS is finally done

[strange quiver]

nvm, I cbf

[oblique bone]

I have been summoned

[mental musk]

?

[vestal minnow]

Hey just came back from an overseas trip. What other additions have been made since April?

[strange quiver]

Tbh I don't think much, I've been busy working on other things :/

[vestal minnow]

Ok

Yeah we all have life going on

[vestal minnow]

Where are these from?

[strange quiver]

the photo that was posted above

it was an alt livery for the R143s

[strange quiver]

Pullman MBTA Orange and Red line cars done

kinda iffy on them, but I think they mostly look good

[frosty sand]

Heavy rail Green Line is so cursed, I love it 😍

[strange quiver]

I was just picking colours because I thought they looked nice lmao

[frosty sand]

The Boston Children's Museum used to have a mockup of a subway car that was painted yellow, and as a kid I was convinced there was a secret Yellow Line that nobody would answer my questions about

[strange quiver]

aawww

tbf, I suppose the buses are yellow

so I guess that's the secret yellow line

[frosty sand]

Especially the trolleybuses, rest their souls 🥲

[mental musk]

why thay axed tham?

Wiat

in Boston thay paint subway cars and streetcars the colour of the line thay run on?

Doesn't that make the rolling stock management more... difficult?

[frosty sand]

Trolleybuses are "temporarily" replaced with diesel buses awaiting battery buses. Yes, it's stupid.

Vehicles are painted line colours because none of the lines can share rolling stock -- the loading gauge is different on each one and there are no track connections.

[mental musk]

although calling green line an line is weird

It seems to be more of an network

Green subdivision would be better name

[severe elbow]

Sounds American freight line-y

‘Subdivision’

[untold viper]

I fucking loved Boston
My parents took my sibling and I there on a family US trip when I was 14 because we loved Fallout

[steep echo]

surely detroit woulda been better for that

[mental musk]

sort of there is

there is an Mattapan Line but it is an streetcar line

But on diagrams it seems to be drawn as part of red line subway ||WHY?||

[earnest meadow]

I think it was a Japanese subway car that it was supposed to represent

[wind valley]

because it only connects to the red line?

[mental musk]

but it is another line

one has to transfer

and likely it connects to busses

too

[frosty sand]

NJT Multilevel EMUs coming soon!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKSRqc-pzuU/

njtransit

Here's a first look at NJ TRANSIT's new Multilevel III MU cars testing at the Transportation Technology Center (TTC) in Pueblo, CO, marking a major milestone in the delivery of the next generation of the agency's rail fleet.

This federal facility allows for the new rail cars to be tested at their maximum speed of 110 MPH in a controlled environ...

Likes

845

Instagram

[mental musk]

Looking really nice!

• for walk through cab car!

[wind valley]

i live next to the morristown line, i can't wait to see these in service (and hopefully in the relevant grfs lol)

[red stump]

they need these so bad, I took a RARV train a week or two ago and the ancient comets they were using had to have all the gangway doors open I presume because the AC is toast

flying down the NEC at 80mph was loud as fuck lol

[strange quiver]

Oh hell yeah

I still need to sus out a way to code them tbh

I need to get around to stealing some from JP+

[finite mountain]

They look pretty cool

[strange quiver]

MBTA Pullman Aluminium cars done

They're coded as both single and multiple units

MBTA stuff is so annoying because there's so little info on them 💀

[mental musk]

maybe one of these next?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f8/66/b2/f866b2d1c0ca72a18ab6bc01004821dc.jpg

Series 4400 washboard

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Reading_9124_arriving_at_Norristown%2C_PA_on_November_30%2C_1968_(23898699335).jpg

Reading EXX class

Classes EPA, EPB, EPC, ECA, ECB, ECC

[severe elbow]

Only 3rd rail atm

[strange quiver]

I've already done both of them

iirc it was like 6 months ago

[severe elbow]

Which is why I say EP-5 and FL9

[mental musk]

hmmmm the EP-5 has an nice shape...

AND very similer to an finnish loco from 2cc

maybe just modify that sprite?

so, maybe the E60 (well... It has an couple of versions...)

In terms of commuter railroads they were used by NJT

and GO thought of using tham

https://rail.pictures/pictures/original/42716.jpg

Not all were painted in NJT livery

most were just patched amtrack

https://live.staticflickr.com/3791/13117757935_f4581e1537_b.jpg

[strange quiver]

yee, I need to do the E60s are some point

[mental musk]

looks crused...

and it seems that these were not renumbered

thus numbering is 958-963 and 967 and 971-973

How thay could have been that lazy...

While some people may not like unevan train lengths in OTTD

I hate whan there is no numbering scheme, just random numbers IRL

That must be an nightmare for railroaders

[severe elbow]

Not uniform = more interesting imo

[strange quiver]

Orange line Hawker-Siddely cars done :3

[strange quiver]

slightly adjusted the sprites because the shading was a bit off

[frosty sand]

And now you’re half-done with the Blue Line Hawker-Siddeleys! (Shorter, fewer doors, pantographs)

[red stump]

I know it might be redundant but

There's a lot of MTA rolling stock inbetween the R44 and and R143

and beyond, if you're working on GNARTS

[severe elbow]

R46

[red stump]

the 44 is still in operation

so it works

[strange quiver]

Yee, pretty much, but I'm saving those for when I do the OHLE subway cars

[strange quiver]

I know, but its all either very similar (R68s) or A division

Rn I'm just trying to get what was in the last version redrawn and coded in and then I'll worry about further additions

I still wanna add BART after all :(((

Tbh I suppose I could do the R68s today since they're so similar to the R44s, and that's the last B division car on my list

[red stump]

68s would be perfect I think that would fill the gap

[strange quiver]

I smash them out in a bit then

Iirc the only major difference from the R44s is a different colour of the stainless steel and a different headlight arrangement

[strange quiver]

R68s done (R44 for comparison)

[mental musk]

hmmmm you said something about BARTs?

Tokyo subway had some similer cars, so maybe You can just modify sprites from JP+?

[strange quiver]

I suppose I could, but I already drew BART cars and other similar vehicles a while back

so there wouldn't be a need

[mental musk]

wow, you work constantly, like an machine

[strange quiver]

my doctor describes it as an "unhealthy coping mechanism" :333

[strange quiver]

it's so weird seeing these trains naked

[strange quiver]

omg the MBTA sells some hard posters

https://mbtagifts.com/products/red-line-no-3-rapid-transit-car-fine-art-print

I need one of these...

also it's interesting that the early 1800 series had vertical headlights

also annoying the side view shows the cars being assymetrical, so I might have to bodge the windows to make them work as a modular MU

[severe elbow]

That does go hard tbf

[strange quiver]

I want one for my apartment so bad

be a great poster to have in the background of videos tbh

[severe elbow]

Do they do international shipping?

I wouldn’t have thought so because trump

[strange quiver]

maybe, when I put it in my cart it flagged my country as Australia and didn't seem to say they didn't

but if I decide to get anything, I have american friends anyway

[severe elbow]

That is handy

[strange quiver]

always handy to have a pet american :3

but yh, 1800 series done

so currently, there's only a few trains left:

• NYC Triplex
• Toronto M/H Series
• Breda A650
• Toronto Rocket
• Hitachi Miami Metrorail cars
• and the MBTA CRRC Cars

otherwise, the updated version of GNARTS is getting close to done

[finite mountain]

You plan on making the new CRRC HR4000s at some point?

[earnest meadow]

why so gray

[mental musk]

it's not dark nor dirty

It's authentic

[earnest meadow]

once you do the TTC H series you should use the Ankara livery as a option

[finite mountain]

Oh wow

I thought Toronto was the only ones who had H series trains

Of course there were plans to send our H series rolling stock to Nigeria for a metro system there but they just scrapped the trains

[strange quiver]

Yee, they're on the list, just not a priority atm

[strange quiver]

Because the R68s have quite a dark shade of stainless steel when compared to the earlier R44s

[strange quiver]

I don't see why not

[strange quiver]

https://fixupx.com/shittyeditsarc/status/1929149830011511208?t=44FVmpl-UFF2qDMYRLci0A&s=19

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[signal gate]

👀

[strange quiver]

Moose train idea 🙂

[red stump]

that pantograph placement is unique

[strange quiver]

I like it :3

[haughty pollen]

GG1 nose on a PA, it works somehow

[strange quiver]

Tbh as a big articulated loco thing

Or even maybe a 1940s era dual-mode it'd be interesting?

[strange quiver]

I think once I'm done with my current batch of stuff I wanna do, I might do some monorails...

since that's be a good, standalone set

and monorails are something that really should be fleshed out more imo

[haughty pollen]

That would be great, I think there's good demand for a more realistic monorail set

Someone just asked about that on reddit actually

[strange quiver]

funny coincidence then

but yh, idk if it'd be best to do it as something generic/iron horse-ish, or more realistic representing actual vehicles

I'll probably do more generic and have vehicles inspired by real designs, so that way I can have a far more fleshed out roster, but we'll see

also I'm only doing straddle monorails because 🫠

[signal gate]

replace Horse metro with monorail?

[turbid bronze]

maglev

shakes fist

that'll keep your networks seperated andy!

[strange quiver]

nah, I'd keep it separate and use the monorail railtype

[strange quiver]

and I'd probably do it with my styling so it fits better with my content :3

[strange quiver]

that's cool aa

[signal gate]

Last Air Bender

we might get a copyright infringement on that as grf name

[strange quiver]

I doubt any company would be petty enough

[signal gate]

I like the idea of Horse-ish monorail and maglev

but I like the idea of finishing Horse more 😛

[turbid bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-21960775

[turbid bronze]

both? Both.

[strange quiver]

omg andy finish horse already

[signal gate]

"some sprites left to draw" 😛

then the railtypes unfucking

[strange quiver]

://////

[signal gate]

Iron Llama though

[strange quiver]

sure, what ever

just as long as it's not british stuff

finish horse!

[haughty pollen]

It would be great to have something that resembles the Sydney monorail 🙂

though maybe not so limited in capacity and speed

[strange quiver]

tbh I was thinking of doing two broad types, one being people movers which are slow but really high capacity

ie the Sydney monorail, or stuff you see at airports

and then urban monorails, stuff like what you see in Japan, that are faster but a more normal capacity

[strange quiver]

so these might be 500 people for a small train, but limited to 30kph

[strange quiver]

while these might be 300 or so but can do up to 80kph

idk, I'll have to think about it and research real world designs

but also, the rule of cool can come in, and if I can't find a way to balance them, I'll just increase their speed

I do it with some of the IRL trains in mysets after all 🙂

[haughty pollen]

Oh that first one would be great for multi terminal airports actually

[strange quiver]

yeah, or even circulating people between terminal stations in a city

which tbf, is what they're designed for irl

[crystal crag]

You heard it here first. The next Horse set will be based on Finland

[signal gate]

now lost in finland trains

[mental musk]

mmmmmmm polar fox?

would be super nice

but I am 99% sure that finnish locos would not be enough to create an roastr in the desired size (unless you go for variants)

likely You will have to use designs from boarding countries to have more varied graphics

||https://i1.jbzd.com.pl/contents/2023/03/normal/uHCxIFHEZeIx49yI7gjCQ5wVs3HyW8CD.png||

likely the pic does not work?

https://i1.jbzd.com.pl/contents/2023/03/normal/uHCxIFHEZeIx49yI7gjCQ5wVs3HyW8CD.png

[turbid bronze]

perkele

[mental musk]

my summer grf

[late pewter]

Thats nice

Now i can build a quarter of a monorail line in + ten years, just like real life

[strange quiver]

Yeah 😦

[earnest meadow]

typical gadgetbahn

[strange quiver]

oh yh update, I seem to be like 90% done with my uni work

so I can work on trains again

but I'll need a break because I'm about to hit burnout, so it might be a day or two before I post anything new

[signal gate]

Iron Gadgetbahn

[strange quiver]

don't give me ideas...

[mental musk]

Gadgetbahns are not kosher for true railfans

[strange quiver]

I stg fucking seppos and their god damn assymetical subway cars wtf >:/

aaaaaa

gonna see if I have the energy to do the B-IVs

what a weird car layout

oh shit, they're also made up of single units and married pairs too, which I didn't know

[haughty pollen]

Oh damn I thought that was some kind of measurement/maintenance car at first

[strange quiver]

tbh the livery does look a little like it

oh actually, turns out PATH did something cool too

the converted PATH PA work cars basically just use the old Cityrail V-set livery

[haughty pollen]

Oh yeah, the resemblance is uncanny

I always liked using those PATH trains in Cities Skylines metro addon mod

[strange quiver]

oh? Which one?

[haughty pollen]

Ah, it was based on the PATCO Speedline, not PATH

[strange quiver]

oooh yh, I use that one often

I really need to do the PATCO trains...

[haughty pollen]

Those things look very sleek and modern for 1969

[strange quiver]

yeah! And they were largely automated too

I'm gonna do them when I start adding BART stuff too

[mental musk]

maybe these?

https://www.igcd.net/images/304/496.jpg

[strange quiver]

well that's just a washington metro train

it's already on the list

[mental musk]

I knew

[strange quiver]

B-IVs done :3

gonna try and do the Breda A650s tomorrow after work

but I've got duty planning tomorrow so I'm gonna finish late so aaaaaaa

[earnest meadow]

:3

[strange quiver]

Breda A650s done

not super happy with the sprites? but it's good for now

[earnest meadow]

where's the yellow head livery?

[strange quiver]

Ooooh

Any other photos?

I'll do it when I get home

[strange quiver]

goober done

[strange quiver]

Triplexs done too

might also do the SIRT ME-1 tonight since it's based on the AB Standard, and it'd be easy work

also means the entire SIR is done since I have the R44s and R211s

[severe elbow]

we love the SIR

[strange quiver]

it's so cool

I wish staten island was real 😦

[severe elbow]

same bro

[strange quiver]

ME-1s done :3

I'm quite happy with how the subway roster is looking tbh

might also do the Broad street B-3s soon-ish too...

[signal gate]

are they subway, metro, 3rd rail, 4th rail, interurban or rapid transit? 😛

such railtypes

[strange quiver]

technichally 4th rail

so if 4th rail is available, they'll use that, but if its not they'll be third rail

but again, it's only for compatibility with SUKTs

irl these are all third rail

[red stump]

They're just all third rail trains 🤨

[red stump]

I feel like I'm missing a lot of these somehow, is this the newest gnarts?

[signal gate]

like this?

[red stump]

If it has the capability of running on third rail then yeah

(As it does)

[signal gate]

or more like this?

[signal gate]

https://tenor.com/view/mindblown-omg-triggered-gif-13206512461464450436

[mental musk]

eurostars had that capability

But later system for 3rd rail operations was de-mounted from these sets

[red stump]

we know

[mental musk]

the coach with big windoes (vents?) in the middle was an buffet coach?

[signal gate]

we know

the mid train one?

dunno, maybe buffet

[mental musk]

yes the mid train one

I always wondered what it was

[signal gate]

buffet

[mental musk]

is that really that coach?

[red stump]

there is no eurostar in ORP

convo ended

[steep echo]

lol

[strange quiver]

Yee

[strange quiver]

There alwayd could be :333

[red stump]

True!

There is only one high speed option currently

[strange quiver]

Yeah! I do need to add more

I'm probably gonna steal the other HSR train from horse and modify that to make another VFT

[strange quiver]

okay, final batch of subway cars are:

• Toronto M/H Series
• Toronto T Series
• Toronto Rocket
• Miami Metrorail Cars
• MBTA CRRC cars

they're all quite similar, so I should be able to knock them out over the next two days

gonna do those MBTA cars now, and that completes the boston roster

might experiment and add this livery too

[strange quiver]

CRRC MBTA cars done

still iffy on them, but they work for the time being

[earnest meadow]

GNALRVS when

[strange quiver]

well... that is rapid transit...

so itd be this set too

[earnest meadow]

I like this livery better

[strange quiver]

I had a go at it but I couldn't sus it out

I'll give it a go another time tbh

[strange quiver]

the Toronto M/H/T series are annoying because they have 4 doors and it's difficult to get the windows right >:/

I am going to kermit violence

🤔

I have an idea

[haughty pollen]

Wait until you try to draw a 5 door car 😅

[strange quiver]

yeah...

the desire to do Hong Kong MTR trains because their cool, vs 5 door trains being a pain

tbf I did one with 6 doors for PGT and it wasn't the worst

really dumb tho

okay this works

I can do small doors for the M/H series, and wide for the T series

[mental musk]

@strange quiver Ragins streetcar set whan?

[strange quiver]

whenever I get around to it tbh

I do wanna do buses in the near-ish future tho

[mental musk]

cucumber time?

https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/79/1b/61276ac2d9c11_o_full.jpg

or maybe an platepus?

https://lovekrakow.pl/images/aktualnosci_zdjecia/1340x754/131410438769_10_MPK_NOWE_AUTOBUSY_035_KALI.jpg

[strange quiver]

nah, it's gonna be either Australian or north american RVs first

also didn't someone already make a polish bus set?

[mental musk]

there is an polish RV pack

[strange quiver]

there we go then

[turbid bronze]

woooo bus set

plz make them not huge

[strange quiver]

wdym?

[turbid bronze]

as in the sprites, lots of people make them the size of trains

they should be IMO a tad smaller

even if they're articulated etc.

[strange quiver]

fair enough

well I'm gonna have to sus out what scale to do

if you have a good example I'd gladly give it a look

[haughty pollen]

Same bus, 4 scales

[strange quiver]

but rn I'm thinking of using the same scale as mops or Egrvts

[turbid bronze]

Middle two are fine IMO

EGRVTS is too big I find

[strange quiver]

ah, yh, middle is the sort of scale I'd do

the one on the right is too finescale for me

[strange quiver]

yh, I have that opinion too

[turbid bronze]

third one I enjoy quite a bit, still a decent size

[haughty pollen]

Ikarus set has the best scale imo

[turbid bronze]

good, becaue I am the haver of correct opinions, so it's a good thing to have the same opinion as me.

😛

[haughty pollen]

GermanRV can feel just as chunky as eGRVTS

[turbid bronze]

Which one is Ikarus, third?

[haughty pollen]

Top to bottom:
LV4
GermanRV
Ikarus Set
2cc buses

[turbid bronze]

Yeah, I dig the size of Ikarus

[strange quiver]

tsk tsk tsk tsk

I'll see if I can nab the source of Ikarus set and have a poke around then

I still need to sus out how I wanna do a bus set

but the main thing I want is support for both LHT/RHT, and it's gonna be a bit more generic...

[haughty pollen]

I believe John Franklin was doing a NML recode of Ikarus set

[strange quiver]

so instead of real models, amalgamated ones that are better for gameplay, and mean there's a decent variety of bus types

[strange quiver]

oooh, I'll have to take a look then

[haughty pollen]

oh it would be great to have a generic left hand bus set

[turbid bronze]

Yeah so many busses are just rolling chassis that are locally constructed to whatevers required anyway

[haughty pollen]

I did have a go at drawing some aussie buses a while back

[mental musk]

wait

The rightmost is 2cc?

Not the quality I expected

[strange quiver]

yeah, exactly, but I'd also wanna do it with a parameter to allow for RHT too, since I know scenario makers would like a generic bus set to throw in for more variety :3

[strange quiver]

ooooh, those are really good

were there specific models you based them on?

also I love the idea the yellow representing the sign

[mental musk]

sometimes busses with doors on left operate in righ side traffic road networks

Express busses running on bus lanes with stop s in the middle in Latin America

Or used asian busses in the CIS

or Burma

[strange quiver]

also because I have problems, the Toronto M, H and T series subway trains are all done, including the Ankara livery

also an addition livery the TTC experimented with so you can have an M/H/T series train in an MBTA scheme if you want

[mental musk]

now time for toronto rocket?

[haughty pollen]

The double door one is a MB O305, the others are various models operated by Premier Illawarra

[strange quiver]

well it's one of two subway cars left on my to-do list

[strange quiver]

ah yh, I see that

I'll have to steal someone of you ideas when I get around to doing my bus set...

[mental musk]

trolleybusses?

[haughty pollen]

I even made a functional GRF

[strange quiver]

oooh, the scale looks good in game

but yh, we'll see what I decide on

[strange quiver]

yee, I'll include a bunch

[mental musk]

maybe include also trailers

Both passenger carrying and luggage trailers

[haughty pollen]

O305 was my first school bus so it holds a special place in my heart

[mental musk]

and microbusses (MB Sprinter etc)

[haughty pollen]

specifically this one

[mental musk]

VOV type bus?

[haughty pollen]

Aussie built but based on VOV designs yes

[strange quiver]

well they don't really exist in Australia

[strange quiver]

ooooh, neat

[mental musk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VöV-Standard-Bus

[strange quiver]

sadly I don't think I've ever been on one of those?

they were all mostly gone by the time I was in school

[mental musk]

VOVs were standardised carbodies build by diffrent manufacturers

A couple of variants existed, in 2 (some count 3, as late VOV2s were diffrent from early) generations

[strange quiver]

at least the bus museum in leichardt has a few

I really need to go to the bus museum tbh, they have so much stuff, and their website is a great resource

[haughty pollen]

Same, I haven't been there either

[mental musk]

Maybe You will be interested in this website?

http://transport131.com.pl/

shillvette drawings

while thay do NOT have excact proportions and thus are not suitable for 3d modelling, thay show the general view of the vehicle and it's liveyr

[strange quiver]

well yh, but tbf I'm not doing european buses

and I have plenty of references for Australian stuff

priority now is doing Australian/North american buses

even then, priority is still trains in the near-ish future

[earnest meadow]

school buses when

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337701432230805505/1318804710647402527/image.png?ex=68466a19&is=68451899&hm=a6fa6c34f824e2d601a633bff862225fc45d2eb9e0702a8812afaa83948482c2&

[strange quiver]

In the NA set for sure!

Although they'll be in the Australian set too

Albeit done differently because of how they're used here

[finite mountain]

Maybe you could add the work train liveries for the H and T series as well

Since they only have a single stripe added, it should be rather easy to do

[strange quiver]

oh yh, I could

I'll do it in a bit because I'm lazy atm

[strange quiver]

easy :3

[mental musk]

Just paint it yellow!

[finite mountain]

Found a render of the H5's when they were planned to be used by EKO Rail in Lagos for their planned metro line

It's pretty low quality

[mental musk]

why the plan got abolished?

[finite mountain]

They decided to get new trains instead of using the old H5's

So they just ended up scrapping them

At least some of the H4's are still around as part of the work trains

[oblique bone]

i feel illegal with this

[strange quiver]

I saw that! I'll add that livery at a later date because I'm too tired to do it now

[strange quiver]

Toronto Rockets done

also so many trans aaa

trains

fuck

[strange quiver]

Miami metro done :3

added a baltimore livery since they're basically the same

[strange quiver]

also might do 1-2 more, so if anyone has any final requests lmk

[finite mountain]

How about the Bombardier ART Mark I and Mark II used by the Skytrain?

The Mark I is also used by the Detroit People Mover and was formally used on the Scarborough Rapid Transit line in Toronto

[severe elbow]

I always forget Detroit has public transport

[finite mountain]

Yeah. They also have the QLine streetcar

Detroit is also the ones that bought our SRT cars after the line got decommissioned in 2023

[dim pulsar]

There was something like "People Mover" in the DTW airport in 2018

[vestal minnow]

Yes seconded the mark i

Would be nice to see the Vancouver skytrain represented in your set

[mental musk]

Atlanta also has something like thais

[strange quiver]

I could, but I'm trying to stick to the rosters I have atm

So traditional elevated and subway cars atm

I don't wanna introduce a train from a roster where it'll be a one off

[finite mountain]

Well in that case, how about the R62 and R142

[strange quiver]

I could probably have a go at those

Might do some NYC A division stuff and any other easy targets

[vestal minnow]

How’s this for a starter? Trying to draw mk1 based on ragins improvements

[strange quiver]

it's actually not bad

although I'd probably reccomend drawing it on a shorter template

those mk1 cars are ~13m long, so I'd probably do them on the 6 template

the 8 template I normally reserve for cars that are around ~20m long

[mental musk]

better than my tries

[strange quiver]

don't be so dismissive

it takes practice 🙂

[finite mountain]

I came across some MARTA concepts the agency made for the CQ400's before they came up with the final design

[severe elbow]

It looks good with the wiskers

[finite mountain]

Second one kinda reminds me of the Washington Metro 7000 series

[fickle lodge]

I have some data of MTR M-stock before their refurbishment. I hope they may help you.

The last photo was not mine, just attached here for your reference.

[severe elbow]

1432mm?

I thought they were 1435mm

[vestal minnow]

What do you mean by template?

[finite mountain]

There's also a couple concepts for the original BART cars and the newer ones

[mental musk]

I like the 3rd one

[mental musk]

likely such an smol differrence does not make any problems?

[severe elbow]

its still, intriguing as to why its different

[finite mountain]

I think the 2nd one is my overall favourite out of the 4

[mental musk]

Generally I was thinking about the 2nd one

Top right

[severe elbow]

you dont read left to right?

[mental musk]

I mean this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019109703453790298/1382075737636343829/Proto2.jpg?ex=6849d5d5&is=68488455&hm=30fb5c2606dbe61d27bc969edfe1b03b42cb50abdf251eeb679a8ff0ca3bed36&

[strange quiver]

On my template file there's a bunch of other templates of different lengths

8 is the full size one, while 6 is smaller

[vestal minnow]

Oh yeah I remember you posting that but my laptop claimed it was a virus

[strange quiver]

Yeah

That was weird

[strange quiver]

Oooh, I'll make sure to save that

[strange quiver]

Oooh

[strange quiver]

Those are cool

[vestal minnow]

Where else can we find templates?

[strange quiver]

well there are my templates

otherwise, I can just export them as pngs and send them over

[strange quiver]

oh yh, been going through and tweaking few misc things, one of which is finally updating the MU car sprite, so now it'll be different between each set

might swap some around since I've used the AB standard and the Tait

[mental musk]

wait an moment

[strange quiver]

maybe I'll swap the Australian one to something else

[mental musk]

depot menu clutter?

1 generic MU trailer like in 2cc would be an better choice

[strange quiver]

I guess I'll have to sus out which vehicle is the most iconic in each set

[strange quiver]

yh, but these are all separate GRFs

and I can't really have a single MU car for like 5 different sets

[mental musk]

how abut adding an small logotype/symbol which will indicate which is for which?

[strange quiver]

I could do it, but I'll have to experiment

[haughty pollen]

Yes, some distinction is useful even if it's just the GRF name in brackets

[red stump]

yeah this would be useful because if you use a few of your sets you just try one until it works haha

JP+ does this by just having an MU car for each newgrf and labelling them in the buy menu

so you dont have to guess

[strange quiver]

I'll try something like that this arvo then

I'll have a look at how JP+ does it too

[strange quiver]

tbh I think just having the GRF name in the title, combined with the different sprite works

it also avoids adding weird inconsistent badges to the buy menu

Also I think I'm pretty burnt out on north american metros, so I'm gonna save those extra trains for later, and work on another project for a bit

[strange quiver]

and it's out :3

[wind valley]

yey

[oblique bone]

So whats now planned?

[steep echo]

more content

[red stump]

This def does the job hell yeah

[strange quiver]

Probably monorails tbh

[finite mountain]

Oooooh cool! :D

I wonder what interesting monorail concepts can be brought to life

[strange quiver]

Well thats what I need to sort out tbh

[strange quiver]

also because I lack brainpower, I'm gonna go through and touch up some sprites that I'm unhappy with

I touched up the Tait a bit and a few small modifications made it look so much better

the third rail addon still has the old sprites which I think just look bad

[frosty sand]

It’s been really nice watching your skills grow over the course of this project. Your recent stuff is consistently excellent. 😄

[strange quiver]

thanks, I'm really happy with my modern stuff

I'm glad I'm finally over my excess noise arc

like wtf was I thinking with these :((

[finite mountain]

Btw, there's a bug where the SEPTA M5 isn't in the new vehicle menu

[strange quiver]

it appears fine for me?

[finite mountain]

Huh. That's weird

[strange quiver]

what configuration/track set are you using?

[finite mountain]

U&ReRMM

[strange quiver]

works fine for me

what year is it in game? these are the last trains introduced

[finite mountain]

Oops. My bad. I just realized the year I had set while looking at the pack was 2025. My mistake 😅

[strange quiver]

there we go then 🙂

[finite mountain]

I forgot to change it when I was checking out the new content

[strange quiver]

goober moment

[strange quiver]

Tait coaches done, but I'm a little iffy about them tbh

[strange quiver]

tweaking clerestory roofs a bit to get them to match better

I think making them flatter makes them mix with iron horse locomotives a little better

much better I think

gonna need to adjust the buffers to match iron horse though 🫠

VR E-Type coaches done

still somewhat iffy on them, but I think overall they look alright

[mental musk]

L class maybe?

https://trainworld.net.au/cdn/shop/files/aus-l08-auscision-l-class-l1156-v-line-all-tangerine-ho-scale-dcc-ready-sound-locomotive-205.jpg?v=1713945872

[strange quiver]

already in the set

[mental musk]

gr8

we already have the MUs, but to be honest now we need medium/light (not heavy) duty electric locos, especially faster (passenger) ones, becouse hose lacks em

EA class?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/NZR-EA-Wellington.jpg

or EW?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Electric_Locomotives_Near_Paekakariki.jpg

but the stats... these seem to be very slow

[strange quiver]

yeah, but there really aren't that many IRL examples of electric passenger locos in Australia

[strange quiver]

on the list

[strange quiver]

already drawn

[mental musk]

another option is to add an setting change train parameters from realistic to altered for gameplay with horse set

[strange quiver]

tbf that's what I've been doing already

the stats are occassionaly tweaked for gameplay purposes

[mental musk]

right now You do strictly trains that operated in New Zealand and Australia?

[strange quiver]

that's the rule for the oceanian set

either trains that existed, or were proposed, and occassional fictional designs where needed

[mental musk]

45 and 46 classes done?

[strange quiver]

46 class, yeah

45 class electric I'm saving for a future date

[mental musk]

with just one unit made it likely was not too successfull...

also how about an JNR-esque ltd. express MU

eg. QR ICE class?

[strange quiver]

nah, it was just experimental

it was meant to train drivers/maintenance crew on electric locomotives while they waited for the 46 classes to arrive

[mental musk]

the future that never came

[strange quiver]

already in the set

[mental musk]

I dubt more of similer sets (other serieses) existed

[strange quiver]

not really

the ICE's were replaced by tilt trains and IMUs

[mental musk]

and I guess, we have these already?

[strange quiver]

Kinda

IMUs I'm not sure I'll do since they're so similar to the SMUs

and the electric tilt trains I haven't done because I haven't sussed out the pantograph code for them

[mental musk]

these have weird door layout...

[strange quiver]

oh?

[mental musk]

most coaches have doors only at 1 end

[strange quiver]

no? only trains for proper long distance stuff tends to

otherwise there's normally one door per end of the car

[mental musk]

nevermind, my lack of knowladge

so the electric set is either compleate or almost compleate

Anything missing from the diesel set?

[strange quiver]

lots, but I don't have the desire to work on more diesels atm

[mental musk]

metro time?

[real sun]

Is it? I can't seem to find it in the ORP list

[severe elbow]

😍

[mental musk]

the smol windows over the vents in the machine room clearly show it's ||japanese|| origin

[severe elbow]

Why censor Japanese?

[strange quiver]

oh shit is it not

[mental musk]

just to make You click it 🙂 If You do not know from where were these imported 🙂

[mental musk]

maybe it's drawn, but not programmed yet?

[strange quiver]

apparently I haven't done it

I should probably get around to it tbh

[severe elbow]

It makes it seem like you don’t like Japan

[mental musk]

I do like it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4D_(train)

this one maybe?

[strange quiver]

already in

it's a variant of the Tangara

[strange quiver]

Had a go at NSW American suburban coaches sand I'm still iffy about them :/

good enough for now I suppose

[signal gate]

pleasing

[mental musk]

now we only need horse compatibility with standard track sets

horse + RTS sets + JP+track == ❤️

[strange quiver]

Thanks, I've been taking a lot of inspiration from the first two generation of coaches in iron horse

I think they match horse pretty well tbh

[mental musk]

I do not want to break the scheme once more buuuuut...

I would not consider 1000mm/1067mm track narrow in terms of this set

I would make tham an seprate category metre gauge
so narrow < metre < standard < russian < spanish

@signal gate

if we have enough slots...

[signal gate]

@mental musk wrong channel 🙂

[mental musk]

Yes, I just wanted to shere this thought with You 🙂

[signal gate]

try #add-on-development 😉

[oblique bone]

maybe yurop stuff too

[strange quiver]

Yurop?

[oblique bone]

Europe

[strange quiver]

Oh, nah, not doing european stuff atm 😦

[mental musk]

maybe eastern european?

[oblique bone]

As i know you told me you had some berlin sprites, may i get a look of them?

[mental musk]

I haven't started tham but I am going to start tham soon (tm)

[oblique bone]

A alright

[strange quiver]

one day, but that day isn't soon 😦

[glossy compass]

Adtranz X2 feels very weird

[mental musk]

sweeds tried hard to export tham literally everywhere

Poland (not sold)
USA (not sold)
Canada (not sold)
Australia (not sold)
China (WHOPPING ONE SET SOLD)

[glossy compass]

ASEA also tried to supply the 225 engines

[strange quiver]

How so?

[glossy compass]

I've always thought of it as made by Asea / ABB

[strange quiver]

Well I can change that

It might be a error on my part

But I'll have to check

[glossy compass]

It might make sense given the timeframe is different than in Sweden

[strange quiver]

Yee

Although the intro date is still 1989 iirc

[strange quiver]

Cursed idea?

[strange quiver]

tbh it goes kinda hard

[vestal minnow]

What are we looking at here?

[strange quiver]

loco hauled versions of the V-sets

[earnest meadow]

Metra if it was BASED

[strange quiver]

yeah :3

[haughty pollen]

Push pull V-sets? Hell yes 😍

[mental musk]

a lot like GDR build Goerlitz doubledeck coaches

https://www.htp.org.pl/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/fot.-4-24.jpg

(Version with control cab exists too and it had at least 3 (4?) cab versions)

[strange quiver]

well that style of operating is more common in europe

but I created them mostly so I could do something like the Kowloon through train

[mental musk]

Now we need the lok 2000 in matching style

[strange quiver]

maybe...

[haughty pollen]

I did the Kowloon through train in HKTS a while back

[strange quiver]

oh true, i remember seeing that

[haughty pollen]

That reminds me, long ago I saw a website with drawings of Lok2000s in American liveries like BNSF, representing an alternate universe in which they electrified

[strange quiver]

ooooh?

if you can find it, I'd be keen to look

[haughty pollen]

Here's some, but there were imaginary ones too somewhere http://www.railfaneurope.net/liveries/Lok2000/USA/pix.html

Ah, here's the fantasy page http://www.railfaneurope.net/liveries/fantasy/pix.html

I remember drawing some of my own fictional liveries on these templates

[mental musk]

I evan made some of these liveries whan I made an mod for this loco (re460) in another game

[full turret]

Is there a list somewhere of all the vehicles included in NARP Rapid Transit?

[wind valley]

Cab cars pog

[strange quiver]

Oh yh, I saw those and had a few in the list

I might include the Lok2000, but I'd want to "americanify" it a lot more

So it probably won't be exactly a lok2000

[strange quiver]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ARb0h0whRNbf8zt6wdXY-O1Pa2zIgEjDsbNkuVG6VGE/edit?usp=sharing

On this list under "rapid transit"

If its in green, its in game

[red stump]

I was just thinking of running v sets with locos in my current game lol

[strange quiver]

Well there you go then >:3333

I've got a little bit more I wanna add/fix up before I post anything tho

[strange quiver]

🤔

[severe elbow]

Peculiar

[strange quiver]

friend shaped

I need to follow up on this more, but it's an early drawing of the V-set

[strange quiver]

only did one livery, but it's kinda interesting

I'll have to sus out what other liveries to do

I'll probably add the PTC liveries?

[finite mountain]

Found a couple monorail concepts as well as 2 existing ones

Honestly, I thought there would be more 1950s and 1960s monorail concepts but apparently they aren't easy to find

[strange quiver]

That first one is an early BART design

But the others are on my list of inspiration 🙂

[strange quiver]

Yeah... Monorails only caught on in the late 50s so yeah

[finite mountain]

Yeah. It's from one the proposals to make BART a monorail. I got it from the BART website

[strange quiver]

Link?

[finite mountain]

https://www.bart.gov/50years/stories/7

[strange quiver]

Thanks

Ahhh

Okay

So that design above is the rail option

There was a different design for the monorail trains, seemingly the plan was for suspended monorails

[finite mountain]

Oh

I didn't include any suspended monorails cause there isn't any track sets to support that as far as I know

[strange quiver]

Yee, and they're better as weird trams anyway

I'm only gonna do conventional monorails anyway

[finite mountain]

Although, I think this BART concept I posted before could work as a monorail since even though it's cool, it would kinda look weird as standard subway cars imo

[strange quiver]

Oh yh agreed

Iirc lockheed made a monorail with a similar cab design

So I might chuck it in the generic set

[red stump]

off topic from this but

you ever thought of doing any dual modes?

[strange quiver]

Dual mode as in?

The north american packs will have electro diesel locomotives and MUs

And I do wanna do a dual mode XPT at some point

[red stump]

ye thats what I mean

perf

even an NA dual 3rd rail/ohle train could be neat

[strange quiver]

Yee, I wanna do that

[red stump]

like if NYC ever actually did the smart thing and ran through trains in penn station

[strange quiver]

But I've heard the code can get a bit iffy since it depends on how authors do their track types

[red stump]

yeah that makes sense 😛

[strange quiver]

Yeah!

But it also means I can do some dual mode units like the MBTA blue line cars

Rn I plan on coding them as just OHLE units

Also NH&H did have some dual mode electric locos which I'd like to represent

[red stump]

I did not know that

or do you mean diesel/3rd rail

[strange quiver]

Nah, OHLE and 3rd rail

Their EF4 locos had them

They're one of the locos on my list, although I'm not making a separate category for simplicity's sake

It'll just be a bonus that some electric locomotives have

[red stump]

yeah thats a good idea

it is just for special cases really

did not know that about the ef4's, but it makes sense

I assume maybe they ran them over the hellgate bridge or something

or no that was ohle

[strange quiver]

It was for something? Not sure what tho

I know the current metro north line the M8 trains use is partially third rail

And that was the old NH&H mainline

Also I'm gonna need to do the Cosmopolitans and M8s as dual voltage too ://)

I'm gonna redo the Cosmopolitans soon ish so I might experiment

[strange quiver]

Also just checking and it seems most NH&H electric locos were third rail too so I'll have to include that...

[late pewter]

Hey, may i suggest an design for an monorail?

[strange quiver]

Sure

[late pewter]

This thing, the Poços de Caldas monorail

Construction started 1981

Finished 2000

The monorail derailed on the first days of operation

[strange quiver]

Oooh, the design is similar to the ones disney has

I could probably include something similar to it

[late pewter]

And worked for a whopping three years before being abandoned

[strange quiver]

Riiiip

[red stump]

Makes sense since they run into grand central, instead of Penn station

Almost forgot

[strange quiver]

Yeah

[strange quiver]

Oh?

[red stump]

Almost forgot the m8s run on third rail into grand central

Anything like that would be fun though

[strange quiver]

Yeah, so hopefully I can do it

But we'll see 😦

[haughty pollen]

I once made a little extension to the 2CC trainset that added US 3rd rail stuff. Including the FL9, P32AC-DM, PRR DD1 and NYC S-motor. Unfortunately I lost the source code but I still have the sprites

[strange quiver]

Riiip

Well if you still have the sprites, I'd be keen to look since they make good references

[haughty pollen]

Sure, lemme have a dig

Oh yeah, LIRR MP70s as well 🙂

Hmm I had one with animated rods too

Ah here they are

[strange quiver]

Oooh, I'll for certain have to base my sprites off yours

[strange quiver]

The MP70 is so annoying because one of my core rules is I don't introduce a train type unless it has a replacement

And theres no other DD 3rd rail EMUs which is annoying

So I have to make some up

[haughty pollen]

MP70 is cool, it's like the American 4DD

[strange quiver]

Tbh I'm tempted to do a 3rd rail LIRR V set because that was something they considered...

[strange quiver]

Yeah! Its such a goofy looking thing

I love it so much

[haughty pollen]

I think an EMU version of LIRR's current double deckers would work

[strange quiver]

Yee, I'm gonna do an EMU version of both the C1s and C3s

[haughty pollen]

or maybe a 3rd rail version of the Metra electrics

[strange quiver]

Tbh that works too

Although idk if you'd do a low platform, third rail train

But I guess it could plug some gaps for players who for some reason have third rail, and want low platform double deckers

[haughty pollen]

Oh yeah I forgot about the platform height lol, I never pay attention to that in OTTD

[strange quiver]

Tbf I don't think most people do, but It's good to keep an eye on that for roleplayers

I do wanna try and have a decent mix of high and low platform vehicles in the NA roster tho

No region should be left out, even if it means making a few trains up

[strange quiver]

I have uni work to do, but I'm looking at the MP70 atm, and it seems it was a single unit

since there's headlights on both ends of the motor car

but then there was trailers

so I might code them as single units, and then have MP70 trailers separate...

they seemed to operate with MP75s too, so I might have the attach switch cover all the LIRR stuff so the player can mix and match

seems the trailers were called T70s, so that sorts the name issue

[strange quiver]

spent tonight updating my template with more space so now trains won't have a gap between them, like trains in Iron horse

probably should have done this sooner, and it's gonna be a massive pain to retrofit all my previous trains, but it should be worth it

but I'll only do it for sprites where issue is obvious, or I'm touching them up anyway

[finite mountain]

Got some more monorails for you. The second is a concept from LA Metro. Also, how could I forget the famous Disney monorails

[mental musk]

the first one is an image of the mad photoshop skills type

[finite mountain]

Metrorrey Line 4 & 6 monorail cars in Monterrey, Mexico

They're made by CRRC

Unfortunately, I can't find anymore monorail concepts

I tried searching up multiple north american cities to see if there were plans for a monorail system and there's nothing

Seems like the monorail idea wasn't as popular even in the 50s and 60s

[signal gate]

try the Springfield monorail

[finite mountain]

You mean the one from The Simpsons?

[signal gate]

👀

[finite mountain]

Not sure if Ragin's doing stuff based on TV shows and movies so idk

[mental musk]

A couple polish cities also were thinking or, were suggested by the industy about monorails in the 2000s and 2010s

there was also an proporsal of an PRT known as MISTER in Poland

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/q2JM3pBPNXkvyBXnJbhw7xHork6nRjiHgVJavJ3wubIIrXGN2CqzuEOQt3sgsHVdvuRBNf0dsSu1PB-xTUIZEd5B

btw

https://www.railtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Moscow-Monorail.jpg

Moscow Monorail, if I am correct only one in russia?

[earnest meadow]

MBTA blue line

[red stump]

did not know this

both running 600V DC lol

boston is so weird