Ragins Train Sets

[steep echo]

I just sleep sometimes in my chair

[strange quiver]

yeah, that's exactly what I want

[strange quiver]

you're strange >:/

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Old

[mental musk]

You find him old?

Maybe try diagnosing me

||Over 99% of my internet time is on desktop, I find mobile internet not convinient to use||

[strange quiver]

tbf, I'm the same

[mental musk]

I hate the entire mobile first movement in website design...

HUGE icons and pictures, little to no text...

And low quality articles

[strange quiver]

yeah, I hate it

[mental musk]

Make Internet Great Again

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Old

It’s probably 50-50 for me

I like being in bed watching YouTube

[mental musk]

on an TV or laptop? (good)

Or on an cellphone (what the fuck...)

[steep echo]

On my phone

I don’t use a laptop in bed because I’m not a psychopath

TV would just be inconvenient

[mental musk]

How You can watch youtube on mobile...

Your yeyes and hands will hurt...

And the sound quality or, accually lack of it...

[steep echo]

My hands are fine

My eyesight is well above 6-6

I don’t really care about sound quality when I’m not critically listening to music

When i was little i had one of those CRT TVs in my room

It was black and white and the screen was about twice the size of my phone screen

I think I’ll manage

[mental musk]

How can you listen to such a screeching voice?

[steep echo]

It just doesn’t bother me

Also maybe my phone speakers are just better

[severe elbow]

other than the gauge, yea

[strange quiver]

I got a new chair and holy fuck its so good to have some back support finally

[mental musk]

Wellcome back, Chairman Ragin!

https://tenor.com/view/take-a-bow-the-office-michael-scott-gif-7303242777894021063

[mental musk]

https://www.cfd.group/temp-pictures/locomotive-bb-60001-504_660.jpg

[strange quiver]

Oooh, interesting little thing

[mental musk]

The one in the back is evan more interesting

[vestal minnow]

Which locomotive is this called again? Seen it before

[severe elbow]

ACS-64

[vestal minnow]

Ah right

Siemens

[finite mountain]

If only the Quebec City Windsor Corridor was electrified

It would have been so cool to have these on VIA Rail

We could've had our own Northeast Corridor

[mental musk]

well....

GO Transit ALMOST bought almost brand new E60s

If thay did that thay would have to electrify at least one of thair lines

[severe elbow]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/zirocket/14908956224 why does this actually look good

[mental musk]

indeed this looks good

[strange quiver]

Cause it does 😦

[severe elbow]

shame they dont deserve it

[mental musk]

https://imghoster.de/image/ZLwKH

nice!

[signal gate]

AI is getting really good eh 😄

[finite mountain]

While I'm okay with the bi-mode locomotives for the GO electrification project, I really hoped that we had gotten Stadler FLIRT or KISS EMUs

But then again, they aren't electrifying the full length of every line so bi-mode locomotives isn't bad

[mental musk]

there are also bi-mode MUs

But I guess that thay want to use the coaches that thay currently have with new locos

[vestal minnow]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DFIIk7Xh8Cz/?igsh=MThrNnZmZWNmMm5zZg==

Imagine if we had trains that could do this

[mental musk]

http://emupages.ru/trains/9710-vision.jpg

http://emupages.ru/trains-9710.htm

just as a f-ing lot of strange and quirky things, this originates from russia

[severe elbow]

i wouldnt trust a .ru link personally

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I clicked on it

It’s fine

[dim pulsar]

This is interesting

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Similar to the 4DD

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effectively 1.5 decks

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The fart sniffer express

[mental musk]

but these contain the most bizzare designs

[severe elbow]

yea no thanks

not on a .ru

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[lone minnow]

Found this thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_State_Railways_PC_class

Not too sure sure if it fits or not though

[strange quiver]

it'd fit in a middle eastern set, which I wanna do at some point

[lone minnow]

ah

Probably one of the most well know Middle Eastern locos if i'd have to wager

[strange quiver]

yee, I guess :3

but I'm mostly interested in the diesel era stuff

[lone minnow]

that's fair

I agree

Central Asia and the Middle East are very overlooked in terms of vehicle history

[strange quiver]

yeah, its why I wanna do a set focusing on it at some point :3

[lone minnow]

ye

would be cool

[severe elbow]

would turkish railways fit into this

[strange quiver]

I guess?

Tbh a middle eastern set would be everything from turkey to iran to Pakistan tbh

Only one I'd be hesitant of including would be Israel because of the political situation there

[strange quiver]

showing off my stuff for a video, and I took this for the thumbnail

I've drawn too much 😦

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always 😄

and why not

[strange quiver]

I need to be stopped 😦

[strange quiver]

btw, I forgot to finish the F class

so that's next update then

no gronk for now 😦

[turbid bronze]

Disappointed you didn’t call it Generic Oceanian Rail Pack so the acronym could be gorp

https://tenor.com/view/gliznorp-alien-cat-bald-green-gif-7415781222793666173

[untold viper]

https://tenor.com/view/real-aussie-patriots-albo-this-post-was-fact-checked-gif-18155792714411641156

[strange quiver]

bloody could have told me that!

also, video I did is done

https://youtu.be/UPdp-VwndLI?si=DVUwm5m8lid_WaSG

it's going here because I'm too lazy to ask for the content creators badge

[frosty sand]

<@&213327499357061121> Get this person a role 😄

Video is quite nice, I enjoyed the explanations of how you think about your design choices and why you did certain trains.

Maybe a future side quest for grf development will be fixing the exhaust effect offsets? They’re all lined up at the front of the train, not over the exhaust stack. 😛

[haughty pollen]

Wait, you're that youtube channel? I've definitely seen some of your videos then 🙂

Have a role 😉

[strange quiver]

yeah... I need to do that

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oh no, I've been identified 😦

[strange quiver]

tbh this 600 class livery goes hard, it's very "we have British rail at home"

British rail should have bought ALCOs, don't @ me

[severe elbow]

class 16 says hello

though i would have liked more modern hood locos

[strange quiver]

true

[strange quiver]

yeah, an EMD GT26 would go hard in BR schemes

[severe elbow]

oh fr

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closest we get is the C Class in this SSR scheme

god I love the C class

[severe elbow]

my fav american built loco has to be the U26C tbh

[strange quiver]

that's fair, tbh I've never been a fan of that era of GE locomotives

I prefer the sharp angles of the equivelant EMDs

[severe elbow]

fair enough

ones built for the usa are probs u34ch, ep5 and fl9

[strange quiver]

yeah, we stan the FL9

goofy ass locomotive

[steep echo]

Gave me Belgium vibes

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Such Alco

The shape of them is…pleasing 🙂

[strange quiver]

ooooh, I didn't know you did one of those

typo in the docs though, it's a DL531 IRL, not DL351

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Oops 🤣

[strange quiver]

tsk tsk tsk

also it's kinda interesting how in Horse, the Narrow gauge stuff tends to be Australian/Kiwi locos, and are smaller than the standard gauge stuff

when IRL, typically Australian locomotives are the same size, if not larger, than their British counter parts

[signal gate]

Yes, reality distortion

[strange quiver]

don't speak to me or my son ever again

wait no I have the perfect photo

don't speak to me or my son ever again

[strange quiver]

the great part of being involved in history circles is that I know a lot of historians to ask questions

I made the goober mistake of asking why they didn't do a chop nose 45 class

turns out they did and it looks cool 😦

they tried giving one a Pilbara cab?

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Very weird

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Kinda like T class variants

[strange quiver]

yeah, although tbf, those came out of the factory like that

[strange pivot]

Some were modified later I think

[strange quiver]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were

iirc the P classes were built out of the original flat tops?

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Pretty sure

Thinking of T and P classes, have you done the Y class?

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I have not 😦

but I need to

[strange pivot]

Today I saw a strange consist with it

N set transfer from Bendigo

[strange quiver]

The Australian motive power dice strikes again

why not have an N class and Y class work the same train?

[strange pivot]

Normally the few Y classes just run around southern cross all day shunting

I think the last time one went out was to rescue an EMU

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probably

[strange pivot]

They don’t need the power

[strange quiver]

tbf, they're just not powerful enough for anything but shunting

and the branch line work they were originally meant for is all but gone

[strange pivot]

Only 5 coaches per loco hauled trains usually, so just an N up front

[strange quiver]

I know, it's just a funny combo

[strange pivot]

Another recent one, the second one broke down

[strange quiver]

I also love the Y Class because when VR placed the order with Clyde, they wanted the EMD 6-567/645 engine, but EMD didn't want to supply them because they didn't design them for locomotives, only for power stations

so they had to bodge together one that would work in locomotives, all the while fighting EMD to try and get the engines in the first place

[strange quiver]

tbh double headed Ns goes hard

[strange pivot]

You probably know the history of every loco in Australia

[strange pivot]

They used to run them for horse races and things

[strange quiver]

don't out me like that 😦

I got the rare double autism, so I know far too much about trains and planning

[strange quiver]

makes sense

[strange pivot]

I just like trains cause I went on them a lot when I was little

[signal gate]

Double? 😛

[strange quiver]

I was kinda the opposite, I didn't grow up around them, and the only times I got to see was when I went to visit relatives

but it does mean I'm quite fond of the few trains I saw growing up

the NSW 90 Class, Hunter Railcar, and V set are probably my 3 favourites :3

[strange pivot]

I really like N’s though because I never saw them much

[strange quiver]

yeah 😦

I've only been at my new job a month and I've closed to memorise all our relevant planning documents

and I've already looked too much into the history of railways in that area so aaaa

[strange quiver]

tbf, they're pretty good

also they're weird, being one of the few locomotives in Australia to be equipped with HEP

only others iirc are the NSW XPT power cars

and the Comet power cars

[strange pivot]

The HEP isn’t that reliable though, often they put a power van too

Especially in the heat

[strange quiver]

there's a reason most other passenger trains defaulted to a power van :3

that and it was practice because the first generation of locomotives didn't have HEP, and we don't really have dedicated passenger locomotives here, everything is mixed traffic

[strange pivot]

Yeah HEP was the easy way

[strange quiver]

at least if you're only hauling passenger trains, which the N's were basically only designed for

although in the early Vline days they did occassionally work freight

[strange pivot]

Ah I meant to say the power vans

Were easy for the train companies

[strange quiver]

I know, but I'm not gonna turn down a chance to spread more information about trains :3

also, going back through photos of weird consists...

look at the boy

he's helping :3

[signal gate]

now I just want to know what Double Autism is 🙂

[frosty sand]

And how to acquire it 🙂

“Hello sir one autism upgrade please”

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lol

I have been on a quest about neurodiversities

you might say I tunnelled obsessively

[strange quiver]

I just have too many special interests 😦

[signal gate]

AUDHD 😛

[strange quiver]

oh no, I do not have ADHD

my problem is focusing too much

[strange quiver]

45 class done I suppose :3

[strange quiver]

okay so apparently they tried rebuilding a 48 class with the cab of a 82/90 class

they never finished it though

also apparently they wanted a different engine in it too?

[strange pivot]

..why?

Better visibility for freight duties?

[strange quiver]

Maybe?

I haven't found that much info on it so I can't say

[frosty sand]

How do I buy coaches for the HPT, XPT, etc.? The high speed coaches refuse to couple to it, and buying more engines is just engines

[strange quiver]

They just use the MU coaches

[frosty sand]

I don’t see MU coaches… are they included in the grf?

[strange quiver]

They should be?

Dont tell me I messed up the dates for them

It should be the first id in the passenger cars

[frosty sand]

Also, the Tulloch Double-Deck coach can’t couple to Tulloch MUs, although it does work with Sputnik and S-Sets. I haven’t tested with the Standard as there’s no start date where both are available haha

[strange quiver]

Ill have to double check

The latter is justified tho, since irl the double deck cars came after the sputniks

But yh, I'll check the code this arvo as I just left for work

[frosty sand]

Yeah that’s not a bug, just an explanation of why my bug report is not as thorough as it could be 🙂

[strange quiver]

All good :3

But yh, I swear everything should be working fine with the MUs coaches

I distinctly remember fixing their intro dates and setting them to last forever

[frosty sand]

I don’t see them. Do they rely on a track set I’m not using, maybe?

[strange quiver]

They just set to rail iirc

What track set are you using?

Also what year is it in game?

[frosty sand]

No rail GRF, I’ve tried 1950, 1980, and 2000

[strange quiver]

Strange

That's normally how I test everything

So it should be working

[frosty sand]

Hmm

I tested 14.1, JGRPP, and nightly vanilla, with no other GRFs — nothing

[strange quiver]

I'll have to check when I'm home then, I must have messed something up

[strange quiver]

having a look now, and I can't find any issues

works fine for me, track type is set to TR_UNIVERSAL, but that's listed as "TR_UNIVERSAL: [_AAE, RAIL]" in the rail type table so it's compatible with JP+ tracks

just in case someone else wants to track a crack at it/or I can't fix it :3

[strange quiver]

found the bug, I set vehicle life to vehicle never expires, not model life

[strange quiver]

also the tulloch carriages seem to work fine?

unless you mean the Tulloch Double Decker EMU or Tulloch Interurban, which I should probably change so they can couple...

at least for the double decker, not the interurban

[frosty sand]

I was testing with the Tulloch double decker EMU. Is that not what they’re intended for?

[haughty pollen]

The Tulloch trailers were originally mixed in with single deck rolling stock, and later mixed with the silver S-sets. The Tulloch double decker EMU was a prototype and kind of its own thing, but a very similar design. I agree it's a bit confusing the way it's coded now though

[frosty sand]

Uh oh, am I the player that hauls coal wagons with HSTs due to lack of roleplay knowledge? 😛

[signal gate]

the correct player

[frosty sand]

I definitely looked at the sprite and the manufacturer name and went “these match”… but I was FOOLED!

[silk nebula]

The coal wagons with iron ore or is it all purpose iron horse gap filler.

[strange quiver]

Iron horse is the gap filler atm

[strange quiver]

Yeah, I'll probably have to change it

Not sure what to tho

If anything the tullochs are meant to be more of an easter egg, so maybe I leave it and just don't mention it?

[silk nebula]

Interim solution for you being slightly too lazy to make a bi mode version of the new regional fleet is to often an electric that can be towed by a diesel off the wires.

[strange quiver]

Yh, but thats just not done irl

I'll sort what I want to do with bi-modes in future anyway

[silk nebula]

Ok was supposed to be a short term solution.

I am frequently incompetent.

[strange quiver]

You're fine! Dw

Ideas are welcome :3

[haughty pollen]

Bi-mode trains aren't that hard to code anyway

[strange quiver]

I know, I'm just lazy

And I dont like including a train without anything to replace it

Tbh I could do dual mode versions of the HPT and XPT alongside them too

They were proposed...

[haughty pollen]

I like how you included a lot of proposed/never built trains 🙂

Found a bug in one of the Chopper set liveries

[strange quiver]

The downside of being into research 😦

[strange quiver]

Oooh, thats odd

Idk what could be causing that, I'll check this arvo

[haughty pollen]

I know that feel, same thing happened with JP+ Engines 😅

[strange quiver]

Its too hard to say no when you find something cool 😦

[vestal minnow]

https://www.instagram.com/share/BAHKh1GkRO

[strange quiver]

staged, I know people who work there

if it were real, half of the parts would have been nicked and ended up in some weirdo's garage

I went to a friends who maintains them, and she had box full of new old parts for the U-set interurban trains she "found" at work

[strange quiver]

how on earth did I miss this

no wonder what livery is broken

fixed, gonna wait to post v9 until I can add more stuff, or for another bug to be reported

[haughty pollen]

They're certainly an improvement over my old 2CC sprites 🙂

[strange quiver]

yeah, although they did make a good reference at least :3

at some point I'll have redrawn a fair bit of 2cc set, so I'll probably make than into a psuedo 2cc 2 at some point

[haughty pollen]

I had a Tangara as well but I never finished it

[strange quiver]

I think I saw that on the forums?

I ended up using it as a reference for my own iirc

here it is

[haughty pollen]

Oh nice, I see you're well versed in the deep lore 😛

[strange quiver]

yeah!

if I wanna draw something, one of my earliest steps is finding if someone else has done it, and then seeing if I can improve on it

[haughty pollen]

I think this is every S-set ever drawn

[strange quiver]

probably tbh

what's the top one from btw?

[haughty pollen]

The original Australian standard gauge set from back in the TTDPatch era

[strange quiver]

oh fair, is there a download link for it somewhere?

I didn't know it existed

[haughty pollen]

This was the only Australian set back in 2007 when I started playing

Here, found it thanks to good old GRFCrawler https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=14371

[strange quiver]

fair enough

it's interesting how just set design over time has changed

seems most sets from that era all were real world colours

[haughty pollen]

IDs were limited back then, you could only directly replace vanilla vehicles

[strange quiver]

ah fair

weird to think that was the case, especially with what we can do today

[haughty pollen]

Art styles have evolved a lot too, despite not having any more pixels to work with

[strange quiver]

yeah, that's something I've noticed too

a lot of older stuff seems rather flat/blobby compared what most of us do today

[steep echo]

Standards have gone up a lot

[strange quiver]

yeah, true

also, I've sat down to sus out how to include bi-modes, and it's possible

I don't like including a train without any predeccessors or replacements, in fact its one of the main rules for anything I make

but if include the Dual-Mode XPT and HPT, that covers the 80s and 90s

and then with the NRF entering service in the 2020s, that just leaves the 2000s and 2010s that need something

I also generally want at least one new train per type per decade

I could do a dual-mode velocity, but that feels like low-hanging fruit, and I already wanna do an all electric one

I could also just scrap that and make it dual-mode only, and the come up with something more original for an intercity EMU

[mental musk]

MUs with coaches of diffrent liveries - IRL this can happen, but is rare

[soft stump]

Not that rare for MUs to be painted in different colours for different cars

Here a lot of them have advertising decals

[mental musk]

yeah, often coaches could habbve been swapped between sets

or entire new sets could be build from coaches that were not in use

[haughty pollen]

That did use to be common on older Sydney trains, but there's currently no way of intentionally doing it in this set, apart from the Tulloch trailers

[strange quiver]

Yh, and code wise I'll probably keep it that way

Since there really isnt a way of doing it without complicating the code, and keeping CC

[haughty pollen]

Yeah you'd either have to do livery refits or Horse-style variants. Lot of extra code either way

[strange quiver]

yeah, exactly

also it's not something I'd use, and idk if many people would use it anyway

[mental musk]

so we can consider multi-livery MUs an bad feature

[strange quiver]

more a future I'm not interested in including

[mental musk]

https://gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/concept-trains.jpg

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/043/904/891/large/nikita-pavlov-lab-insta-liveries-smaller.jpg?1638559455

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/043/904/771/large/nikita-pavlov-proposal2.jpg?1638559134

[strange quiver]

oooh, those are neat

[mental musk]

http://trainz.pl/_download_tabor/_download.jpg

I recall seing this ^^ MU render somewhere else

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/1-futuristic-train-csa-images.jpg

https://i.redd.it/41uymqtlwgb61.jpg

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5c647bc99b7d150fe925ea5c/5707909b-8773-40ec-b5d6-99dfbc47edc4/1933+train+ball.jpg

https://media.sketchfab.com/models/6c4e110d9d5b4b07bbed673d0767d750/thumbnails/8bad977a5421488eba6cff3d86512e71/b251a7a9bc314d1faf97b7d75e1a3579.jpeg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxKazaNWHeAwRiTbFnlr9qmoJqSw8VSCJtXg&s

Yarmolchuk ball monorail aka SHELT

As You might think it originates from russia...

Like most of dumb things...

WHY does the translohr (AKA combination of drawbacks of trollaybusses and streetcars without any advantages) originate from France?

[strange quiver]

yeah, goofy things

[strange quiver]

don't ask me

[mental musk]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Tram_clermont.jpg

God

WHAT WERE THAY THINKING?

generally is a lot like an trollaybus, but instand of an automotive steer axle it has an smol roll that rolls on the guiderail, and the electric poles are like in an streetcar (one pole in the cenentary, the 2nd one in the rail)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/TranslohrGuideRail.png

as the guide rail has an specyfic shape it is expensive to manufacture

moreover, as the side wheels (rubberred type) ALWAYS drive in EXACTLY the same path, the asphalt wear is much higher, compared to trollaybusses

and that is only the beginning of the long list of drawbacks...

[haughty pollen]

This thing is actually in the old monolev trainset

[mental musk]

yes it is!

That's the place where I leared about it!

[haughty pollen]

But it's kinda off topic for here

[strange quiver]

I do wanna do a monorail set at some point

but it's on the list of "things I'd like to make if I get the time"

a list which is too long

[mental musk]

I may help You

[strange quiver]

main thing is the research that I'd nee help with

but either way, it's a long, long term project

[mental musk]

I truely start wondering how will the european subset look like...

PS

POV: Translohrs are NOT monorails

[strange quiver]

probably quite generic tbh

[strange quiver]

they'd still be in the vein of what I'd include

[mental musk]

but how would You define europe?

Would You limit yourself to the 1435mm part only?

or go to 1520mm places like russia, Finland or Armenia?

Europe ends on the Urals and Caucassus

[strange quiver]

I'd just do geography tbh

so it'd be anything west of Poland minus the UK

but it's not something I've thought about too much since I don't plan on doing a european set for a while

priority right now is Australian/New Zealand and American stuff

and then whatever sets I can re-use sprites for

[mental musk]

so Europe without the eastern block? 😭

[strange quiver]

so African and South American sets probably

[strange quiver]

pretty much, because their rolling stock designs are so distinctly different

[mental musk]

Yugoslavia operated A LOT of western made trains

And evan assambled tham locally on licence

[strange quiver]

and Europe already has a lot of different items of rolling stock

[strange quiver]

true, but still

[mental musk]

may You describe?

[strange quiver]

they'd probably be lumped in with western europe in that case

[strange quiver]

they tend to be larger, with harsher lines, and they often use multi-segment locomotives

while western european designs tend to have softer lines, and are only ever single units

[mental musk]

for me the difference between western europe and 1435mm eastern europe is smaller than between 1435mm eastern europe and 1520mm eastern europe

[mental musk]

good point, why twin locos never took off in the west?

I know that switzerland had a couple of tham

[strange quiver]

it's just preference a lot of the time

[mental musk]

usually every half can operate separetly

so thay are just 2 single cab locos with the same running number and suffixes A and B

also often there are either double locos with design based on single ones (ET41 and EU07) or the other way round (VL65 and VL85)

[strange quiver]

yeah, that's very distinctly a soviet thing

western railroads tended to just order single units

and if I were to do a soviet set, it's something I'd have to factor in

[mental musk]

thay copied a lot of US things, including B-units (busternaya syektchya)

In contrast of 1435mm eastern europe that worked more like western 1435mm

[strange quiver]

I guess

[mental musk]

POV: Czechoslovakia made best electric locos in the eastern block

some evan made thair way to Italy!

https://scontent-waw2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/473677487_122211292748034565_1629379840841536902_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=Kbm3hThjDMAQ7kNvgEDxZgQ&_nc_oc=AdjLrjkgfM8163fEtHkRXHAOcmdznR5UfxZT8GP3u5itctz9wDECCoccq31DV_u_lvX7o02LGHsOfhTYC1Yp-qOi&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-waw2-2.xx&_nc_gid=AY0Up4hCqvwELVT27JfWXAn&oh=00_AYCCfOf8F-_EDfs36Yb58Fj7aGJsEBafvO84n0BYupB7Sw&oe=67A90CDB

(not this, this type not entered serial production)

https://www.albertbahn.hu/kepek/nagy/olasz/laveno/img_0238.jpg

[strange quiver]

yeah, czech electrics were pretty cool tbh

[strange quiver]

also, thinking about this, I could do a combined South American, African, Middle Eastern and South East Asian set

since all those regions tend to use very similar locomotives and rolling stock (within reason)

and I'd be able to re-use a lot from ORP

I just don't know what to call it

Developing world Trainset? Forgotten world train set?

has anyone got any opinions? I've tried writing rosters for each of those regions but the issue has always been the gaps, but doing this should fill them nicely

my concern is potential style clashes if anything, and I don't want a name that's insensitive or crap

[haughty pollen]

South Africa has a lot of interesting trains, there's probably enough there to make a well-rounded trainset

[strange quiver]

yh, but there's still some gaps, especially with multiple units

but yh, otherwise there's plenty there, and if I did their locomotives, it'd cover basically all of GEs export offerings

[haughty pollen]

Oh yeah not a lot of MU variety there

[strange quiver]

Also Comeng was heavily involved in the South African market, so I already have an in for researching the more niche details

[strange quiver]

yeah, but there's a lot of variety in South America and SE asia... but not many locomotives in those regions

so combining them should make a well rounded set, and a lot of South African diesels were also sold to railways in SE Asia and South America

[haughty pollen]

South America has a lot of interesting stuff too, Brazil used to have a lot of electrics back in the day

[strange quiver]

yeah! and some of them were similar to models sold in the US domestic market, so I can re-use those sprites for the North American set

[haughty pollen]

You're really planning to do the whole world huh

[strange quiver]

Don't tempt me 😦

but my priority is always stuff where the sprites can be re-used, or easily modified to fit

[haughty pollen]

Don't overextend yourself 🙂

[strange quiver]

I know 😦

my brain likes to be productive and its aaa

I work and study full time, plus do youtube, and openttd stuff, and I help run one of the largest furry conventions in Australia 😦

[haughty pollen]

You might know about my first GRF, the Generic European Set, kinda similar to what you're doing but for Europe

I had big plans for it but got stuck and gave up

[strange quiver]

ooooh, yes! That's one of the big inspirations for my stuff

[strange quiver]

unfortunate, we need a big company colour european set tbh

but yh, I'm gonna bodge together a roster to see if a combined SA, SE Asian, Middle Eastern and African set could work, and if it does, I'll start laying the ground work to actually build it

[haughty pollen]

Some of it made it into the 2cc trainset, but yeah the artstyle is inconsistent there

[strange quiver]

yeah, that's one of the issues I've had with 2cc

tbh in a few years once I've done my immediate projects, I'll probably have most of 2cc set re-drawn, so it might be worthwhile making an updated version of 2cc set

[haughty pollen]

I look forward to it haha

[strange quiver]

Hopefully I don't die before then aaaaa

[mental musk]

Whaaaaat?

The generic european set was drawn by our Glorious Emperor?

https://tenor.com/view/take-a-bow-the-office-michael-scott-gif-7303242777894021063

@strange quiver If You are interested I could make You lists of more signifect (by count, popularity and the influence) locomotive and MU classes of PKP and DR (GDR railways), diesels and electrics era

naming would have been difficult...

On the DR some classes were renamed twice...

Eg. E44 become 244 and later 144

[strange quiver]

you're more than welcome to, it's just it's not something I'll work on for a long while yet

[mental musk]

V180 became 118 and later 228

Also weither to include or not types thet ended up as single prototypes or small series, but were important in technological developtment in trainsets, is an difficult question...

[strange quiver]

I normally give them an id, but just put them on the low priority list

[strange quiver]

also, bodged together a roster, and it seems a combined South American/Asian/African/Middle Eastern set would be viable, and have no gaps

so it might be how I go about doing it

it also gives me an excuse to do a bunch of indian locomotives

[mental musk]

my friend....

TropicSet 2.0?

[strange quiver]

oooh, tbh I might steal that name

[mental musk]

aren't thay larger, more powerfull and more high tech than other tropic countries locos?

[strange quiver]

it'd basically be a replacement, just excluding Australian stuff

[strange quiver]

yeah, but stylistically they're similar, and can fill the more powerful roles

[mental musk]

hmmmmm an new arctic set also would have been nice...

Scandinavia, Canada, Russia

maybe Mongolia, Alaska, Majuhria (part of China) and Hokkaido

[strange quiver]

I guess? but someone would have to do that

China, Japan and Russia already have sets covering them, and I wanna focus on regions that don't have anyone working on them

[mental musk]

||1435mm eastern block||

[strange quiver]

yeah...

[strange quiver]

Also it gives me an excuse to add the unbuilt Thai XPT

I need to stop adding so many XPTs to everything 😦

[mental musk]

God, thay really pushed the 43 to it's limits

[strange quiver]

tbf it's a class 43 in styling only

Comeng had to do a lot to get it to work in NSW

the entire locomotive structure and bogies had to be redesigned

its why dimensionaly an XPT and Class 43 are different

[mental musk]

Can we have an 43 at home?

[dim pulsar]

I should ride some remaining IC125, as soon as possible, but I don't know which railway company is using them on which lines

[strange quiver]

I think scotrail has a few left?

but yh, all the main line operators have gotten rid of them iirc

other option is you go to mexico or nigeria :3

[mental musk]

The IC125s seem to be as everlasting as the EN57

[strange quiver]

fuck that means I technichally have to include an intercity 125 in this set

[mental musk]

just re-use the graphics!

[haughty pollen]

I rode one in Scotland (very briefly, literally just across Edinburgh lol)

[mental musk]

there are also loco-hueled mk3 coaches

[strange quiver]

I will! I have the XPT interurban sprite which was close to the original class 43 design

[mental musk]

I know that some operated tiwh 90s and 68s

[strange quiver]

yee, and I can re-use them from the Australian Passenger set, since VR wanted to order some

[mental musk]

well...

Also remember that UK uses imperial system and Australia metric...

Even converting the design to metric is difficult, as sometimes You have to round up, smetimes down to get the parts working correctly, like in the original

[steep echo]

Uk is metric now

At least officially

[strange quiver]

yh, but that's a given, and Comeng had a lot of experience working with American designs from Budd

[dim pulsar]

Oh, Scotland...
I would wait until it gets warmer, and add it along with Wick-Penzance 24h speedrun

0802 Wick - Inverness 1227-1248 - Edinburgh 1633-1700 - Kings Cross 2139-2345 Paddington - Penzance 0750
I hope I could make it, but it might be off topic...

[haughty pollen]

This thread sure loves getting off topic 🙂

[haughty pollen]

Some EMUs have auto-flipping pantograph cars, some don't (K-set, chopper, some single deck stuff too)

[severe elbow]

is this really a bug?

[strange quiver]

Its a known issue, I'm just not sure how to fix it, but its on my todo list

Problem is that pantograph code is complex and I suck at coding

I actually tried copying some of the code for pantographs from JP+ but gave up because I couldn't get my head around it

[glossy compass]

I wouldn't copy from JP+ since that also deals with reversing without turning around which makes the code way more complex

[strange quiver]

Tbf so does the code I'm using, and it's something I'd wanna keep

[glossy compass]

Oh I didn't know I can see why you find it hard now

[strange quiver]

Especially since I want all EMUs to be operatable at 2 car srts

[strange quiver]

Yeah... But even the simple code still breaks my brain

For whatever reason code stuff just never clicks, I guess my brain is just wired for different stuff

[glossy compass]

What is it meant to look like and how are the parts coded?

Dualhead, articulated or just cars?

[strange quiver]

Wdym?

Theyre coded as normal MUs that the player can change the length of

Theyre not articulated

[glossy compass]

So just as single cars?

Dualheaded flag not set?

[strange quiver]

I think it is? I'm not sure as I'm on the train to work atm

[steep echo]

Would we be able to pull code from this set to have reversing stuff @glossy compass or would it be unreasonably complex?

[glossy compass]

I think that's quite common so I wouldn't be surprised do you have the source code anywhere?

[strange quiver]

Source code from a few days ago is here if you wanna take a look tho

[glossy compass]

The code isn't compatible

[steep echo]

Fair

[glossy compass]

Thx

[strange quiver]

I'd be more helpful, but yh, I barely understand it myself, and I'm on the train to work atm

My train is taking me to a terrible place called "cronulla"

[severe elbow]

sounds similar to 'cholera'

[strange quiver]

Maybe for a reason...

[severe elbow]

probably

[glossy compass]

I only really managed to find one more bug

odd lenght ABB DDs reverse the pantograph on the middle carriage when they shouldn't

[strange quiver]

Could you get me a screenshot?

Ill have to fix it tomorrow since I'm only getting back late tonight

[glossy compass]

Sure

[strange quiver]

Annoying, I'll check if its a code or sprite issue when I can

[glossy compass]

I think it is code

[strange quiver]

If it is then I probably won't be able to fix it :/

[mental musk]

@strange quiver Also an question: Schould I include on my lists of more significent classes gronks (slow shunters) and narrowgauge units and technical trains?

[strange quiver]

You can if you want

[mental musk]

you prefer an spreadsheet or an text document with tables with data about the locos?

I would like to add descriptions

[strange quiver]

idm

[strange quiver]

thinking about this again

tbh I could expand it to include trains from countries that independantly wouldn't be able to justify a full roster, but aren't neccesarily developing countries

South Korea might be a good candidate, since it normally would have a limited locomotive selection, and it has a lot of EMD export models

so if I include it, I get a fair few interesting electrics and high speed trains

it also can't really go in any other set, because if I were to ever do Asian sets, Japan and China would have to be on their own because of how much stuff they have, and including Korea in either of them is likely to start a fight... but a combined Asian set would just be too big on its own

[mental musk]

Alsthom and Toshiba

||BTW DPRK too?||

China and Japan seem to have MUCH MUCH more 100% indingenous designs, compared to Koreas

[strange quiver]

probably not, since their equipment would fit in a soviet/chinese set

[mental musk]

not all

[strange quiver]

basically the scope of this set is any country that individually wouldn't fit in another I guess

[mental musk]

thay also copied an japanese diesel loco

and made (on the basis of czechosloavak designs) thair own designs of electric locos

[strange quiver]

yh, but a 2-3 examples like that can just be included as bonuses

[mental musk]

for such an country suprisingly large amount of indingenous designs!

[strange quiver]

yh, but they'd still fit in a Chinese/Russian set imo

idk, it's not something that I feel like fits with this project

[mental musk]

BTW

Wanna see something hmmmmm interesting?

https://jnsforum.s3.amazonaws.com/monthly_09_2013/post-133-0-41516100-1380552316.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255192663628578979/1277714851703034030/FH5UqYqVkAc8cHX.jpg?ex=67a70aef&is=67a5b96f&hm=b684f639816ef3c6f40f759572c4b295af801d726a8e78482dccc4a04c12232b&

https://jnsforum.s3.amazonaws.com/monthly_10_2013/post-133-0-30038600-1380898125.jpg

[strange quiver]

that's really weird looking

[mental musk]

the first pic is south korea

[mental musk]

wish I knew the designation..

I would dig more photos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctXIYV1MCms

https://preview.redd.it/south-koreas-cursed-passenger-train-kwan-kwang-ho-v0-qrrzdo8htaad1.jpg?width=618&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e7dd4868a9d859541a0d604a8ada2ccdd88d020

https://preview.redd.it/south-koreas-cursed-passenger-train-kwan-kwang-ho-v0-sgltpm8htaad1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c65a2e1db1b934d5b4f3250e695e56657cca2bc1

[strange quiver]

yeah, could be something fun to include

[mental musk]

https://en.namu.wiki/w/관광호

[mental musk]

We have Shinkansen at home

loco is likely rebuild 7500 series

the coaches look a lot like JNR 24 series....

[strange quiver]

yeah, probably

it'd defo an EMD behind that

also, I'm thinking of just sitting down to draw the entire EMD export catalogue at some point, since it's not that many locomotives, and it means I have them for a bunch of future sets

and it means that if someone wants to use them, they have a base to work off of...

[mental musk]

but what if You count all subvariants?

[strange quiver]

there aren't many in the main catalogue

it's basically high nose/low nose and 4 axle/6 axle

[mental musk]

Motor variants (horesepower), gering (top speed and traction), presence or lack of installation for heating passenger coaches...

[strange quiver]

I'm just doing the sprites, not the actual code

it's a base to work off of

[mental musk]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f49ff25e-0aa3-4ea3-846d-1ba121afbb32/dgrjtw2-24c80561-a5fd-4c22-8918-a0d967f22e60.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2Y0OWZmMjVlLTBhYTMtNGVhMy04NDZkLTFiYTEyMWFmYmIzMlwvZGdyanR3Mi0yNGM4MDU2MS1hNWZkLTRjMjItODkxOC1hMGQ5NjdmMjJlNjAucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.KJVCVgkeI2ORVZq2lBV-ErqfLthxz7azOeF48fqO9HQ

[strange quiver]

oooh, thats cool looking

[strange pivot]

Looks like a maintenance vehicle

The cab design mostly

[steep echo]

Just reminds me of the EA

[strange quiver]

I could also include Taiwan in this project too, since its locomotive roster is mostly EMD export locomotives, and electrics from South Africa

and then that opens up a bunch of oppurtunities for EMUs and high speed trains

[earnest meadow]

JP+ tracks voltage differentials is a thing too

[strange quiver]

Ik, but I'd never include that as a feature, if its OHLE I'm not differentiating betwen type

[strange quiver]

:/

is this something you guys would actually be interested in?

I don't wanna do it because I'd only wanna differentiate between DC and AC OHLE, which means splitting the electric locomotive tech tree, and that either means gaps, or lots of duplicates

if people are keen on that, then maybe one day I'll do it, it's just not many track sets actually support it as a feature

maybe it could be a feature if I did a european set tbh...

[mental musk]

but make it turn-off-able

[mental musk]

whaaaat....?

Electrics from SuidAfrika?

I know that thay used american build electric locos and
british electric locos and electric MUs

[strange quiver]

yee, they got around

[strange quiver]

of course

[crystal crag]

Personally I'd never use it

I know it appeals to plenty of people though

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'm sorta half and half

I would use it, I just wouldn't know how to balance it

and doing it adds a lot of work, at least with the projects that I make

[crystal crag]

I don't think there's much balancing beyond "what did this loco run on" and keep it at that, though yes that will leave gaps and overlaps but at least no complaints about "hey this didn't run on X"

I don't think it's worth working on until a set is "complete" so you can retroactively add it once there's nothing else to do

[mental musk]

in that extra zoom uk set the EM2 runs on AC

IRL it runned on DC

gamebalance

[strange quiver]

yeah, I guess that's the way to do it

but I also prefer to plan everything out to start with

[haughty pollen]

None of the UK sets make the AC/DC distinction. IMO it would be nice to have more sets that do that. In fact quad-voltage was my original goal for the Generic European train set, but it would probably make sense to reduce that to 2 voltages. Especially if Iron Ibex ever gets made, which is also planned to have the AC/DC distinction.

[signal gate]

Ibex AC / DC means I could basically produce the roster in playable sections

especially now we have vanilla wallclock

[strange quiver]

fair. I'm fine with doing it, I just need to know it worth doing, and for track sets to support it

and I need a region large enough to justify it, which is why I'll probably only doing it for a european set

[strange quiver]

Also good news, I'm looking at EMD export locomotives for references, and the G16 model seems basically the same regardless of country

all of these are identical, bar the Brazilian one that has a dyanmic brake radiator on the nose

[mental musk]

https://tenor.com/view/josip-broz-tito-yugoslavia-gif-27616694

Yugoslavia...

weren't some exported to Taivan too?

[haughty pollen]

I still need to do that one for the Hong Kong set haha

[mental musk]

cool liveries

[strange quiver]

Well I'm doing the base sprite as a modders resource if you wanna use them...

iirc some of the Hong Kong EMDs were actually built in Australia by Clyde

[haughty pollen]

I'll have a look at it if I resume work on HKTS, the current sprites are based on 2CC set and could use some improvement...

[strange quiver]

fair fair, well if there's anything I do that you want to use you're more than welcome

[haughty pollen]

thanks, good to know 🙂

[strange quiver]

I'm probably gonna do some Hong Kong stuff to fill gaps in the Australian roster anyway

since Comeng, Clyde and Goninan all were involved in the Hong Kong rolling stock market

and I have some cool unbuilt designs they proposed for Hong Kong that I wanna include

[mental musk]

as an bonus You can include this

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Q0gAAOSwE5Ng~858/s-l1200.jpg

https://storage.canalblog.com/51/08/982534/132329346_o.jpg

Alsthom 6Y2, for Peoples Republic of China

bonus fact - it seems that it operated (propebly not only) on the same line as X2000, Re460 and ER20...

Hong Kong <-> Canton or something like that

that line seems to be an magnet for european stock in China...

WHY?

[glossy compass]

Whilst I understand that I would rather have you support multiple voltages for when you're playing with tracksets which support it. I don't really see a problem with recommending not using such a trackset for gameplay purposes but not supporting it means I can't play as realistic and it looks very bad with tracksets that provide multiple voltages.

[mental musk]

generally for me differenting diffrent electric systems in OTTD is an bad feature

[glossy compass]

It gets more interesting in multiplayer tbh, in single player I don't really see a point in splitting my network up into two

[strange quiver]

probably not, it'd be outside the scope for anything I'm working on

there aren't any sets it'd go in, nor is it common enough to be made as a modders resource

[mental musk]

alsthoms really got exported to A LOT countires

[strange quiver]

I'll think about it, if people want it I'm all ears, my concern is just implementation

[glossy compass]

Fair

You wanted AC and DC only?

[strange quiver]

yh, but not in the same way that American export locomotives were

[mental musk]

yeah

thay had tones of variants...

[strange quiver]

That's probably what I'll do, doing anything more specific seems like a hassle

[glossy compass]

Fair

[mental musk]

but that schould be balanced

IRL AC is more powerfull but a bit more expensive

While DC is cheaper and considered better at routes with a lot of stops (for some weird reason)

[glossy compass]

Is it actually considered better or just that they got electrified first and kept their systems?

[mental musk]

I have really read somewhere that for commuter lines DC is conisdered better

But why?

[strange quiver]

only benefit is the electrical equipment is slightly less bulky, since its a lower voltage, and you don't need a second rectifier for the VVVF drive

[glossy compass]

the advantage of AC being long range isn't as important maybe?

[strange quiver]

otherwise, AC is superior for basically everything

[mental musk]

on AC you put the transformers less frequently

[strange quiver]

unless you're doing a short metro line, where clearances are an issue, then do AC

[mental musk]

and AC electric lines are more difficult to steal

[strange quiver]

also yh, DC is a lower voltage so it can be closer to lineside structures without safety concerns

[mental musk]

that's why some DC lines in Slovakia got converted into AC in 2000s!

[mental musk]

You can still distribute the electrics around a couple cars...

Eg. instand of having only motors and trailers

You can have male and famale motors (same amount of each type /train) and trailers

Or have some of the equiptment in trailers

If You look historically, at least in europe MUs apeard later on AC lines than on DC lines

[strange quiver]

well yh, but most EMUs are like that regardless

only EMUs that are all motors are either Metros, or High Speed trains

[mental musk]

Oh, I know

All motor car config is rare

I know that some japanese limited expesss/romancecar MUs had like that

If I am correct

[strange quiver]

probably tbh

[haughty pollen]

DC is more expensive for long distance tracks because you need thicker wires and more transformers

[glossy compass]

//We define the railtype table using standardised labels from https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Standardized_Railtype_Scheme. Making sure the second position is always "A". 
railtypetable {
    RAIL: [SAAN, RAIL], //Regular rail, prefer standard label
    SAA3: [MTRO, SAA3, "3RDR", "3RDC", ELRL], //Metro, MTRO is before standardised labels due to it being more specific
    ELRL: [SAAE, ELRL], //Dual voltage, for trains running on ac and dc tracks
    SAAA: [SAAA, SAAE, ELRL], //AC 
    SAAD: [SAAD, SAAE, ELRL], //DC
    IHBA: [IHBA, ELRL], //Highspeed AC railtype from Iron Horse
    TR_UNIVERSAL: [_AAE, RAIL] //Universal track from JP+ tracks for MUs
}```

An adapted version of your railtype table for multiple voltages

AC and DC locos / MUs should use SAAA and SAAD

[signal gate]

ach those nml fallbacks 🙂

nvm

[glossy compass]

not having them is way worse and you've shown that classes aren't better

[signal gate]

yeah they're in Horse too, they just make the spec confusing

[glossy compass]

hmm fallback cargo labels is possible but incredibly dumb

[signal gate]

most authors aren't going to understand that nml is wrapping action 7s (or whatever it does)

[glossy compass]

yeah

[signal gate]

anyway, wrong channel 😛

[steep echo]

I’m guessing 25kv like Croatia did at the same time?

[mental musk]

https://www.tuvie.com/wp-content/uploads/amtrak-p-trak-concept-train-by-tara-sriram2.jpg

https://www.tuvie.com/wp-content/uploads/amtrak-p-trak-concept-train-by-tara-sriram4.jpg

p-trak

concept of smol railcars with autopilot

likely to run on-demand like taxicabs?

[signal gate]

so many funny youtube videos debunking pods

[mental musk]

I also find these ideas dumb

[signal gate]

I heard a more radical idea about pods, but it's mad

they could have rubber tyres, so they can go on roads and highways

and there could be different sizes

[mental musk]

taxis/microbusses with autopilots?

likely autopilots would never be smart enough to drive on pblic roadways

while highways are easy

city roads

not so much

[signal gate]

have you met people? 😛

[severe elbow]

why wouldnt you want to seperate the pods from everything else?

[signal gate]

Excellent trolling 🙂

[severe elbow]

awful efficiency

[signal gate]

Pods are just for billionaires, right?

[severe elbow]

i wouldnt say billionares have been to luton before

[signal gate]

Maybe Elon will

[severe elbow]

but its luton 🤮

[earnest meadow]

if this got added to openttd coop players would gobble it up

[mental musk]

why?

[untold viper]

7 hours? It better have a fucking toilet

[earnest meadow]

(photoshop)

ideas for a fictionalized japanese roster

[mental musk]

what got changed?

This looks 100% legitmate

I would not spot that this photo got doctored!

[crystal crag]

I can find this exact image on google so I don't think anything actually got edited

[severe elbow]

it is edited

the cab is wrong

tobu 9000 (?) with something else as the cab

[mental musk]

likely tha cab cames from something called 3600 series, judgeing by the number...

Could be 3000 series or 3650 series too though...

[crystal crag]

Ah so the original source is a photoshop. Right I thought you meant that you photoshopped it

[earnest meadow]

never underestimate Japanese train enthusiasts

[mental musk]

Likely the best country to be an railfan?

[strange quiver]

tempted to include the GT46AC locomotives used in Mongolia into the third world set too

at the very least so I can re-use parts of the GT46C-ACe sprite

weird to see an Australian inspired locomotive in mongolia tbh

[mental musk]

hmmm Mongolia...

2ZAGAL time?

(USSR and USA designs combined)

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/6008c73e-4b70-44e2-b005-7c966e3c7801/dazef7c-daca6f63-e476-4711-95dc-11d0b4342799.jpg/v1/fill/w_675,h_337,q_75,strp/2zagal_mongolian_diesel_locomotives__by_futurewgworker_dazef7c-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MzM3IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvNjAwOGM3M2UtNGI3MC00NGUyLWIwMDUtN2M5NjZlM2M3ODAxXC9kYXplZjdjLWRhY2E2ZjYzLWU0NzYtNDcxMS05NWRjLTExZDBiNDM0Mjc5OS5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9Njc1In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.xELNr0nQk587jHasuLQegUouumjvMFyhQ2Fq4GOVh7M

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F4ndxlyxgmmv71.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5aead6a714ff4be5c6972824a297570b5f6ff5eb

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/6008c73e-4b70-44e2-b005-7c966e3c7801/dazeddg-22a80fa6-f73b-4829-ba34-db58072fce3b.jpg/v1/fill/w_675,h_337,q_75,strp/2zagal_mongolian_diesel_locomotives__by_futurewgworker_dazeddg-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MzM3IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvNjAwOGM3M2UtNGI3MC00NGUyLWIwMDUtN2M5NjZlM2M3ODAxXC9kYXplZGRnLTIyYTgwZmE2LWY3M2ItNDgyOS1iYTM0LWRiNTgwNzJmY2UzYi5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9Njc1In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.v4rFlObpFJnfvNfd7lQjJEvRRqpZoHIQmGUB5KZy2_M

the version with the TE116 (?) cab looks great!

[strange quiver]

maybe...

those feel more suited to a dedicated soviet set though

and this I'm going more for stuff that appears in most places

or could reasonably appear in most places

[mental musk]

funnly enough the railroad history has somewhat returned to it's inflancy

Smaller manufacturers in diffrent countires creased operation

And just a couple big firms sell variants of the same designs to diffrent countires!

[strange quiver]

I love the age of neoliberalism

[mental musk]

So You say that You love the modern world?

[strange quiver]

no 😦

[mental musk]

irony? sarcasm?

[strange quiver]

Neoliberal economics have been such a disaster that if I found out it was created by the soviets to destroy the west I wouldn't be surprised

[mental musk]

Yes thay are an disaster...

||Sorry for off topic!||

[strange quiver]

it's all good, this topic goes off topic all the time

[mental musk]

weird seing somebody agreeing with me on political topics here...

http://www.railfaneurope.net/liveries/fantasy/Orbis/Orbis.gif

Orbis HST Operated by fictional carrier, "Orbis Express", the articulated class 501 is the mainstay of the Orbis fleet, capable of operating at speeds in excess of 400km/h, these railsets are powered on every axle, the two power cars that provide the motive power use a multi-voltage supply. Technology in these sets is more airliner than high speed train, lots of CRT displays replace the standard cockpit features. passengers sit in airliner seats as well, seat headrests contain video screens, like many modern day airliners. because the train uses 5 axle wheel sets, the axles are built in 3 sub sections, having a leading axle, 3 main axles and a trailing axle, the 3 sections joined together to form an articulated wheel set, thus allowing the train to round steep curves.

*Mark Wilkes (e-mail [email protected]) *

CRT displays.... Those were the days....

there are a lot of cool drawings on railfaneurope.net

[vestal minnow]

https://www.instagram.com/share/BBrV82M7y4

I love seeing wdtx1408’s locomotive mockups

[strange quiver]

yee, I've seen a bunch of them

[strange quiver]

those go so hard

[vestal minnow]

Nice to imagine what would have been

[mental musk]

hmmmm some times ago I thought about making such docoted photos by myself...

POV

https://www.instagram.com/wdtx1408/p/DBJ95S_PeOH/

Ludimlla looks glorious in every livery

[glossy compass]

Reposting incase it got missed

[strange quiver]

oooh, I'll use that if I ever end up doing it

hmmmm

actually, I could maybe do it with the third world set tbh?

[strange quiver]

trying to do the EMD G16, and it's weird because I've scaled it correctly, and it looks strangely long

if I have it the same height as passenger cars though, it feels too tall

maybe it's just because it's missing the greebles?

might have to shrink it, it just doesn't look right

I think I'll sit on it for now, maybe it'll grow on me

[signal gate]

something between these two probs

IRL the G16 is an odd shape, if you really look at the overall gestalt

it's pretty close in side view to a UK class 66 or 59, except the cabs

I would move the bogies in, there is a pilot plate / step that should be at least 2 pixels, maybe 3

[strange quiver]

I'll give that a go after work tomorrow, since you're probably right

[strange quiver]

also this is really useful

I'm gonna release these as a modders resource so I'll include the variants with and without dynamic brakes

idk what version I'll include in the third world set though

[signal gate]

the EMD trucks feature here

[strange quiver]

also random thought, but US narrow gauge stuff post 1960 is pretty sparse, so I could probably use the Export line to fill those gaps in a north American Narrow gauge set

[signal gate]

counter-intuitive, but to get the right feel, the brighter pixels are at the bottom of the trucks

[strange quiver]

fair fair

tbh I normally just use the same chassis for everything, but I probably should have some different bogey designs

I might nick those Class 66 ones actually...

[strange quiver]

good reference

[mental musk]

G16s were low, becouse thay were designed for operation in small loading gauges

I swear that thay would work pretty sweet in the UK

[mental musk]

based on the 59? ||The SD40-2 in an other carbody||

[signal gate]

might have been an SD50 in actuality, but eh

wikipedia says it's an SD40-2, but I think some of the electronics vary

[strange quiver]

well it's model number is "JT26CW-SS", so it's an SD40

[mental musk]

mongrel

Like the EU06.
Custom carbody
Bogeys similer (the same?) as Class 85
electrics like E6 or whatever that export loco to zuidafrika was called

[strange quiver]

if it was based on an SD50, it would have been JT36CW-SS

[mental musk]

now here, how we define the SD40....

By frame?

God, EMDs designations are crazy and unintuitive...

[strange quiver]

but it also has the later super series wheel slip control system, which was introduced on the SD50, so it's effectively a hybrid

[mental musk]

what was subsequent after F3?

F7 OF COURSE, VERY LOGICAL

[strange quiver]

also interestingly, it means its similar to a NSW 81/VLine G class

since they designated as JT26C-2SS

I'm guessing both have the dash 2 electrical system since that was stadard by the 1980s, and they just dropped the 2 on the 59s

also I know too much about the EMD catalogue so I must share the info 😦

[mental musk]

meanwhale in sweden 66s were classed as T66

T just denotes diesel loco

[strange quiver]

yh, but they still had an internal EMD designation

T66 was just the class number

[mental musk]

generally dashes (-) are avoided in class designations (railraod companies designations), becouse thay are ususally used between the class designation and the running number within class

Eg. EU07-001

[strange quiver]

yeah, but they're common for EMD model designations

[signal gate]

that

[severe elbow]

i thought it was 83s not 85s

[mental musk]

yes it is 83

I always get them mixed up

[late pewter]

Looking good

[mental musk]

somehow gives me PKP SM32, TEM2 and PRR E44 vibes...

[strange quiver]

returning to this, and I think moving the bogies fixed it

I'm gonna do the other angles now

[mental musk]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PI8AAOSwAslhspJj/s-l1200.jpg

E211

from the GDR

only one prototype was build...

in 1967

but in it's days it was considered very modern

BTW speaking about GDR

I started making the spreadsheet

diesel shunters and diesel roadswitchers already ready

[vestal minnow]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/DF8IafcR4_2

North American passenger rail services in the past

[finite mountain]

Makes you wonder where things went wrong

[mental musk]

capitalism

if the railroads were nationalised, most lines would still operate, in order to serve the locals

[signal gate]

the passenger railroads were nationalised

[not really]

[vestal minnow]

Map of rail services in the same area today

It’s just the blue lines you see on the map and several major cities are not connected

[mental musk]

hub and a couple of spokes

[vestal minnow]

Chicago remains a major hub

[mental musk]

so, if in USA somebody cannot drive (eg. due to health reasons or police took his licence) and cannot/doesn't want to fly (due to health reasons)

How he can travel between cities?

[vestal minnow]

In the us, greyhound buses are the main option. Amtrak is extremely vulnerable to delays as freight trains are prioritized

From what I heard, most people take trains in North America for the sake of taking trains, except in the Northeastern US or the along Windsor to Quebec City (also containing Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal) corridor in Canada

[mental musk]

What an strange country...

Such long distances on busses must be torture...

for such an large country I would always assume that logically main way of ground based mobility would have been sleeper trains, duh?

[frosty sand]

The US is not a logical place 🙂

[soft stump]

Buses aren't that bad tbh

I've done a 22 hour journey by bus and it's fine

[vestal minnow]

We have sleeper trains, they are the only passenger rail transport in much of North America. The blue lines you see are their routes

[vestal minnow]

If you zoom in the map here in Apple maps you won’t see smaller, more regional lines connecting towns unlike in Europe

Most train stations in large cities were either abandoned or demolished in the 1970s amid declining passenger rail ridership

[vestal minnow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9K1DWEaIajs?si=LgfkdVTuy-Nbta0m

[strange quiver]

yeah... queenslands a bit weird

[mental musk]

but... isn't this over engeneering?

one can make an normal crossover between standard and narrow gauge

[haughty pollen]

The point was to remove the crossover on the mainline, allowing higher speeds

Technically they're both narrow gauge because it's a 2 foot gauge cane railway crossing the cape-gauge QR mainline

There used to be a normal diamond but it forced the QR tilt trains to slow to something like 40km/h

[mental musk]

yeah, Now I see that it is in middle of nowhere (not suprising for Australia where distances are HUGE), not next to an station where trains will have to slow down...

[mental musk]

DR locos done, now DR MU's and locos used only in industry railroads

and yes, industral railroads had some interesting locos

https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/file.php?017,file=624852

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/LEM_25-002_der_BEHALA_Btf._Nalepastraße_03.05.92.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/L_2_der_BEHALA_Btf._Nalepastraße_03.05.92.jpg

fun fact - this industral electric railroad sheared trackage with STREETCARS

[soft stump]

IIRC the same thing happened here in Buenos Aires

[mental musk]

does Buenos Aires still have streetcars?

[soft stump]

Not really, there's a light rail line that does some street running but it wasn't part of the original network

[haughty pollen]

I think this is in GermanRV

[mental musk]

hmmmmm that's an very difficult question...

[vestal minnow]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/DGDrhXDs6rj

Happy Valentine’s Day from Via rail

[dim pulsar]

Herringsdorf industrial tram in HEQS XD

[mental musk]

Information for everybody - I compleated the GDR list
-DR's locomotives
-DR's motor railcars and MU's
-Industrial railroads locomotives (likely incomplete list...)

Tomorrow i will check some data once again

Schould I add berlin subways into the spread sheet?

@strange quiver DDR set whan? I can help You with passenger coaches too (and likely with goods carrying stock too)

[strange quiver]

I probably won't do any DDR stuff for years tbh

[mental musk]

to be honest I started wondering of making an GDR set myself...

but likely it would have literally 0 popularity due to being inferior and not compatible (more horse like scale and game balance) with GETS...

[haughty pollen]

It would definitely be popular if it was good quality, as nice as GETS is I think many players still prefer the more traditional artstyle. Plus it would be visually compatible with many other popular sets like Dutch, SBB, BRTrains and so on

[mental musk]

God... I know literally nothing about shading and I have never drawn diagonal images...

[strange quiver]

you're more than welcome to use my sets as a reference

[mental musk]

https://tenor.com/view/take-a-bow-the-office-michael-scott-gif-7303242777894021063

after I will finish the spreadshet I will post it here.

Feel free to forward it to the GETS dev's although I am sure that the list is incomplete and some data may be off...

At least it gives info on the more popular GDR's stock (and some of the less popular ones too!)

still, likely nobody would be interested in an set that starts in 1945 due to various ||political and eathical|| reasons and ends like in 1994 (merge of DR into DB)

[mental musk]

@strange quiver Good or bad idea? ^^^

[strange quiver]

tbh with my stuff I go with the "bad things never happened" idea

it's why I don't make mention of anything war related, which tbf is pretty easy with aussie stuff

but... you can just ignore the whole nazi thing even with a german set

just avoid alluding to them at all

[mental musk]

I still do not plan to include steam locos (eg. kriegsloks) just becouse thay had DOZENS of serieses (series? seri? serieses? what is correct?)

[signal gate]

Ibex, I hadn't given more than 1s thought to WW2 implications

and I won't

[mental musk]

there are some things that simple schould not apear in computer games

[signal gate]

probably, and for some stuff I'd agree

I changed FIRS from Heart of Darkness to In a Hot Country because I could forsee some bits of the internet glorifying colonial exploitation proudly in screenshots

[strange quiver]

tbf, you have the advantage that you're not doing real trains, you're doing trains inspired by real trains

so you can pretty easily scrub the fascist links away

[signal gate]

good point

it's just pixel trains eh

[strange quiver]

yeah!

Ibex is just central europe right? or western europe too?

[signal gate]

Alps

Switzerland, Austria, France, Italy, Slovenia, Germany

[strange quiver]

yeah.. it's something you have to be sensitive about

[signal gate]

strictly Lichtenstein, but that has no trains 😛

[strange quiver]

ah fair then, so not too much fascism to worry about then

[signal gate]

only a small amount

[mental musk]

I do not want to go into an political discussion

but fascism =/= ||hitlerism|| and is an broader term

[signal gate]

ultimately it's pixel trains in a pixel train game

you can include a train, or you can include a different train filling a similar role

[mental musk]

slight political offtop

Generally I belive that all radical ideologies schould be strictly banned

[signal gate]

I think that has a circularity problem, in that it's quite radical 😛

anyway, unless it's supposed to be 100% realism grf, you don't even have to exclude certain trains, you just pick different ones

[mental musk]

but popularity....

in 1945 kriegsloks were literally all around Europe and likely in some non-european countries too

And due to simple no-nonsense construction, wide aviabality and high pulling power were perfect for rebuilding Europe from ashes

we are talking about only an meccanical device

[signal gate]

VW beetles too

[mental musk]

the design was copied from the czechs

and the name volkswagen was invented by an Jew for another project...

[strange quiver]

nono, nazism was fascism, it's the example often used in political science

[signal gate]

anyway, I might have some toast

[strange quiver]

tbf you can still include them, just call them by their class number

[signal gate]

it is many years since I did a politics degree, but I learnt 3 things

[strange quiver]

even then, Kriegslocomotive only means "war locomotive" and plenty of locomotives shared that name

ie the Australian Standard Garretts or war time Tulloch suburban cars

[signal gate]

• how to analyse, categorise and debate political concepts
• why not to, generally, in polite company
• post-modernist and post-structuralist lolz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Exactitude_in_Science

^ pixel trains

we already have reality, we don't need to replicate it

[strange quiver]

tbf, the definitions in any social science are kinda floating like that

[strange quiver]

well, within reason

recreate the trains, just disconnected from the idology that created them (unless neccesary)

[mental musk]

it's like all squeres are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squeres

Unless in politics You cannot use strict definitions as in geometry

[signal gate]

in politics, the definitions are written by the winners

whereas geometry appears to have proofs

somewhat

[mental musk]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/electric/misc/PKPlok.jpg

coming back to trains

have I shown already to You this?

[strange quiver]

think so?

I like it tbh

[mental musk]

likely an early design model of the carbody of the EU11 or EU43 (1st iteration of the designation)

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fr/misc/SNCF_TGV_SE.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/misc/iow-tub-xpier-b-jp.jpg

and one more time, just as an reminder

I genuenly belive that radical ideologies schould be banned

I genuinely feel disgust every time I see an ||svastika||

END OF POLITICAL OFFTOP

[strange quiver]

I need to steal the cab of those for a larger locomotive

actually, that's just an EL/AN class

[mental musk]

legitmetly this does resamble something other for me

BR clsss 91?

[strange quiver]

tbf I feel the same way because those nazi fucks think people like me belong in camps so 🫠

[strange quiver]

kinda? or a class 43

[mental musk]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ge/electric/GE_picture_10_ES_002_Tbilisi_from_Poti.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ge/electric/TBILISSI_2.jpg

Strange ER2 type MU rebuilds in Georgia

While I like the first one...

The 2nd one not so much

[strange quiver]

tbh I like both

[mental musk]

it apears that there was another livery tooo

http://www.train-photo.ru/data/media/438/000015_2.jpg

another mod. this time with an front more similer to the 2nd gen (facelifted) factory made ER2. But it still does look somewhat weird compared to the factory made ER2s

http://www.train-photo.ru/data/media/438/image.jpg

Georgia is genuenly an intersting country railroad wise...

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ge/electric/MAKHINDZHAURI_.jpg

4E10 - an single section version of the VL10

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ge/electric/GR_4E1_002.jpg

4E1

https://treinposities.nl/tn5/8e/2c/0b/853835_142425_5_8e2c0b07e9f66fa9e7f8bdc7e29e073a3c0c71b14100d219cf402b3bb6947b1b.jpg

https://perspoor.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/db-202-geen-gegevens-bekend-2.jpg

prototype Henschel locos

too bad thay never entered production!

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/private/builder/Bombardier/12X/12X_it.jpg

prototype 12X type locomotive, not entered into production

Bombardier

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/private/builder/Bombardier/ET2000TT/et2000_3.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/private/builder/Bombardier/Meridian/445_DN1.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/private/builder/Bombardier/Talent/rail57.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/private/builder/Bombardier/Blue_Tiger/250_001_bt.jpg

some more bombardier prototypes

enough for today?

[strange quiver]

those one were actually designed by former Comeng engineers :3

[strange quiver]

plenty of goobers

[mental musk]

hmmm interesting, didn't knew that!

[strange quiver]

ABB (later Bombardier) wanted to get input from them since they had more experience designing double deckers

iirc it had nearly double the capacity for the same size vehicle, but bombardier decided not to follow up on it for whatever reason

[mental musk]

Goerlitz engeneers also had good expirience designing DD coaches

Coaches, not MUs

[strange quiver]

iirc it was in that weird period between what remained of Comeng being bought by ABB, and the closure of the Parramatta office

since that closed around the same time Bombardier bought ABB transport

[strange quiver]

well they were coaches iirc

the issues largely stemmed from the poor allocation of space meaning things took up more space than actually neccesary

[mental musk]

brain drain

[strange quiver]

not really, they were mostly moving everything over to the Dandenong factory, and the old guard at Comeng were approaching retirement

[mental musk]

The list!

For now without subways, but contains S-bahns!

a couple formats, if You had problems

[strange quiver]

I'll have a look when I'm home

Also

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FgujmpAHG/

Strange Austrian electric design

Seems like a good gronk idea for ibex @signal gate

[steep echo]

The Swiss did something similar

[strange quiver]

If you dont use it I will

[strange quiver]

No no, its a full electric locomotive

Not like the electric-steam swiss locomotive

[steep echo]

Ooo

[strange quiver]

Its so cool looking tbh

[signal gate]

Pax express engine I reckon, 1800 hp

[mental musk]

Italians constructed come electric shunters

[strange quiver]

It works!

[mental musk]

on the chassis of decommisioned stem locos

[strange quiver]

Probably around the early 1900s if I had to guess

[mental musk]

I can't remeber the series designation though

[dim pulsar]

Steam-shaped electric loco?

[mental musk]

@strange quiver Please raport what do You think about the DRlist

[strange quiver]

I'll hve a look now

[strange quiver]

it's a good roster, the problem is the locomotive classifications aren't ones I use for my sets