also I'm going to do some fun liveries
#Ragins Train Sets
mental musk
Indeed
I really love the design!
mental musk
I wish they built them, they're so pretty 😦
from where do You get those concept drawings?
strange quiver
from where do You get those concept drawings?
depends
but a lot come from the history of Comeng by John Dunn, which I get access to through my uni's library
and the cityrail liveries done :3
frosty sand
This one looks like it’s had its face bashed in. Maybe a lighter pixel near the coupler would help, to bridge the gap? 🙂
strange quiver
This one looks like it’s had its face bashed in. Maybe a lighter pixel near the ...
wdym?
like an extra one below the headlight?
frosty sand
Yeah
strange quiver
I'll give it a go tomorrow then
it's an unbuilt proposal so I'm able to have more fun with it anyway 🙂
strange quiver
also random shower thoughts, but I really need to loop back and work on GNARTS again
I just know it'll be a pain because every sprite will need to be remastered and the entire thing will need to be re-coded
vestal minnow
Looking forward to what you have in store for us!
strange quiver
yee, he makes really good stuff
strange quiver
another random shower thought, at some point I should make a video tutorial on the basics of NML and making sprites for openttd
I've got the video making skills, and the basics of making stuff, so if anyones gonna make one it should probably be me
frosty sand
Yes! That would be very helpful.
strange quiver
I'm gonna do it solely so more cool grfs get made >:3333
frosty sand
An excellent reason
soft stump
another random shower thought, at some point I should make a video tutorial on t...
Would be really useful for me
vestal minnow
strange quiver
https://youtu.be/gVjT5QqYRP4?si=_dVslGjw6zM_vUR3
I saw that, it's something that I'll probably have to do a video on at some point because it looks like a really good plan
speaking of videos, there'll probably be less content here because I'll be working on a video script I need to finish up
but I'm also gonna look into that Amtrak XPT order more, because it's tangentially related to what I'm working on
vestal minnow
Wonderful!
Looking forward to what you have in store for us
Both in videos and in newgrfs
severe elbow
seeing as some prototypes have been made for this set, and although this was meant for hong kong, they were planned to be made by an australian company and i think they would fit
steep echo
seeing as some prototypes have been made for this set, and although this was mea...
Re 460 vibes
strange quiver
seeing as some prototypes have been made for this set, and although this was mea...
I could probably include them
Otherwise the electric loco roster is pretty bare
severe elbow
does no harm if you do add it
strange quiver
Very true
I might have to modify its styling a bit to match other Australian locos
But we'll see
strange quiver
just sat down to write about the VFT for a video, then I fell down a rabbit hole
and turns out there was a serious proposal to build Australian versions of the SNCF CC 72000 class for high speed service between Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne on a new high speed line
so I guess this is going in the loco pack now
severe elbow
if you can find any concept art id love to have it
strange quiver
if you can find any concept art id love to have it
it never got that far I'm afraid 😦
although I've let the other nerds I know to send me anything if they find it
strange quiver
also the VFT report proposed dual-mode XPTs
With the dual-mode XPT, HPT and Civity, it might be worthwhile to add dual-mode rolling stock to GOPs...
strange quiver
found new VFT art in a report >:3
this is from 1984, so before Comeng got involved, and you can see its clearly based more on the TGV than the later art by Phil Belbin
it also has a diner which is quite different to the one on the actual TGV, so I might have to include it on my one in GOPS
severe elbow
are you able to scan the entire image?
strange quiver
are you able to scan the entire image?
this is someone elses scan, I'm gonna do a proper one (with less glare) when I go into the state library next week
i might even try and find if there's a coloured one
severe elbow
ah cool
strange quiver
yee :3
mental musk
it also has a diner which is quite different to the one on the actual TGV, so I ...
a bit like swiss panorma cars (not much enough to call tham dome cars)
strange quiver
a bit like swiss panorma cars (not much enough to call tham dome cars)
yeah, kinda
also, I spent so much time today reading about XPTs, so I'm going back and updating my sprite for it
I added a lot more detailing, and the trailers now have guard compartments and buffets
also I'm gonna add some fun liveries, maybe an Australian National one
since there was a plan for XPTs on the Overland
strange quiver
XPT sprites re-done
added an Australian National livery, to account for the Bi-centennial HSR project
so now you can have a game in a universe where XPTs take over the overland route
VLine also controlled the overland too iirc, so I might do that livery too
it'd just be difficult since Vline does really operate anything like an XPT, so it'd hard to do
mental musk
the first sprite looks like NS
strange quiver
I can see that tbh
strange pivot
XPT sprites re-done
AN one is cool, definitely will use on a long regional route
Also, what’s a HPT?
strange quiver
Also, what’s a HPT?
higher performance successor to the XPT
it was ordered by the SRA, but they ran out of money, so in 1987 the contract was canned
but it was meant to enter service in 1988
mental musk
looked nice!
strange quiver
yeah :3
I'm gonna redo soon-ish because it could use a touch up
but... I'm tempted to wait because I'm going to view the HPT mockup and design concepts in the powerhouse museum soon-ish
strange quiver
oooh, I like it
strange pivot
higher performance successor to the XPT
Cool, never knew about it
There aren’t any electric locomotives in the pack right?
strange quiver
There aren’t any electric locomotives in the pack right?
there are in the loco pack, I've already done the 86 class
The loco pack is still quite WIP tho
strange pivot
Ok, I’ll check it out
strange quiver
I've not posted it anywhere yet, since it's still wip
strange pivot
Oh ok, looking forward to it though
mental musk
nice!
Looks a bit japanese...
Will You make the L class from Victoria?
That one that looked a lot like an Nohab with pantographs?
And maybe QR electric locos too?
strange quiver
yee, they're all on the list :3
mental musk
painting named szalona lokomotywa (The crazy locomotive)
Was anything with such an wheel arrangement ever build?
3-2-1 or 3-2-0
Looks vougly like an steampunk-ish swiss class A 3/5
but the wheel arrangement is compleatly diffrent
steep echo
painting named *szalona lokomotywa* (*The crazy locomotive*)
Was anything with ...
It would not be odd numbers
strange quiver
painting named *szalona lokomotywa* (*The crazy locomotive*)
Was anything with ...
we can tell you're european, because elsewhere we'd call it a 6-4-2
but to my knowledge, no locomotive was built with that wheel arrangement, since you rarely needed 6 leading axles
there were locomotives with them, but they were those giant PRR engines from the 1940s
steep echo
we can tell you're european, because elsewhere we'd call it a 6-4-2
Pretty sure it’s 6-4-2 anywhere
mental musk
we can tell you're european, because elsewhere we'd call it a 6-4-2
hmmm
Sometimes axles are counted, sometimes wheels...
And sometimes it is even more quirky
Polish State Railroads used lowercase letters for designation of wheel arrangement
eg. Pm were express traffic 2-3-1s (Pacyfics?)
strange quiver
Pretty sure it’s 6-4-2 anywhere
not in UIC, which is mostly used in Mainland Europe
they only count the axles
steep echo
In the 0-0-0-0 0-0-0 configuration i think always the wheels are cancelled
mental musk
wy We, Poles tend to do a lot of things in our own, quirky, not compatible with other systems ways...
(||Yes, ther are a couple of other nations that do that too, but hey, it is weird to be a part of one of tham...||)
steep echo
not in UIC, which is mostly used in Mainland Europe
Oh fair
strange quiver
hmmm
Sometimes axles are counted, sometimes wheels...
And sometimes it is even...
yeah, so that's similar to the UIC system
which is originally based on german practice
steep echo
Used to the old Swiss method so axle counting makes more sense to me tbf
mental musk
yeah, so that's similar to the UIC system
check this table
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Układ_osi_lokomotywy
k lowercase letter means an tanklocomotive...
Thank God electric loco designations are much more simpler...
(series numers)
1-19 - 4 axle 3kV DC
21-39 - 6 axle 3kV DC
40 and up other electric locos (everything goes, dual locos, locos running on other electric sytem, multisystem locos, but some DEBIL put EU47 which is 4 axle DC only here)
strange quiver
check this table
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk%C5%82ad_osi_lokomotywy
k low...
yeah, those loco classifications get complex
mental musk
what thay were thinking?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/OKa1-1_at_Railway_Museum_in_Warsaw.jpg
1 driven axle?
most likely just to pull 1 or 2 coaches on an brench line...
An proto-railbus
strange quiver
Yeah... For such a moden looking locomotive thats very strange
That wheel arrangement died out in the 1870s
finite mountain
Here's a new idea if you ever plan on making trams in the future. The UTA just ordered new trams from Stadler
This is also Stadler's first ever light rail/tram vehicle order in North America
vestal minnow
Here's a new idea if you ever plan on making trams in the future. The UTA just o...
Where in North America is this?
frosty sand
Salt Lake City, Utah
strange quiver
Here's a new idea if you ever plan on making trams in the future. The UTA just o...
yee, I saw that
I'll have to look into where it'd fit, because if its light rail in the Seattle or St. Louis sense, it'll go into a reworked version of GNARTS
otherwise, it'll go into a road vehicle set, whenever I get around to it
if the latter, that'd be years off though, since I'd wanna do Australian RVs first :3
strange quiver
Salt Lake City, Utah
one of my friends who's a former mormon calls its "white people wakanda"
strange quiver
watching this video to get some background on the X2000s US tour for my HSR video
and apparently Via Rail was interested
so I guess I'll have to do a via rial livery too
strange quiver
of course :3
mental musk
https://youtu.be/-0XpP3D6ZVE?si=HrhY4QVGMk5dbO2v
too bad that vid does not feature the IC3
strange quiver
too bad that vid does not feature the IC3
well they didn't exist back in the 90s
mental musk
well they didn't exist back in the 90s
not ICE3, IC3, that diesel train
hmmm
this loco seams interesting too
steep echo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGh9DntqsO8
Best train
mental musk
It apears that the designation flexiliner was ever used only in the USA?
glossy compass
It was the product name so I'm fairly sure it was used here too in a few instances but the rolling stock designation is generally more common
mental musk
product name usually refers to an entire range of diffrent types. eg. TRAXX
glossy compass
the Flexliner came in multiple variants too tho the IC2, something Belgian and the Spanish non rubber one,
strange quiver
random question, what sets do you guys normally use my stuff with?
I originally wrote the templates to be compatible with NARS, but I'm thinking of changing them to match Iron Horse, since that's more popular
and if Andy gets around to making moose, people will probably play with my stuff and moose together more
turbid bronze
NARS usually, but if you rebase around Horse I wouldn't object. Keep in mind he uses different vehicle offsets than NARS so might need some fiddling. I usually every few major releases or so make my own private copy of Horse using different sprite offsets so it works with NARS better, but mixing two sets that aren't made to mix can be awkward. Andy also uses different calculations for costs/etc.
Andy also handles MU's differently, adding unique passenger wagons for each MU in the variant group with the engines. TBH I actually prefer that approach than the magical MU wagons.
strange quiver
NARS usually, but if you rebase around Horse I wouldn't object. Keep in mind he ...
that's also a fair point, all my balancing has been based on NARS thus far
I think what I'll do, is I'll work out the sprite alignments for both, and then decide later
or maybe work out some way to include a parameter so the player can choose between them
I think long term, we're likely to see more sets based on Iron Horse, since imo it's become one of the "default" sets, so it's probably better that I ensure compatability with it
turbid bronze
Yeah, NARS is a very old set. I've kinda tossed around the idea of recoding NARS as a fork of Horse, but it hasn't gone beyond idea stage, I have enough projects already and Factorio is now consuming my life again.
strange quiver
well if you do end up doing that, it'd make the choice easier on my end
although I could also just make a fork of NARS with offsets that match horse pretty easily anyway
also I just got into factorio, and it was a bad idea 😦
turbid bronze
Yup. I do enjoy it from a systems engineering kinda point of view. I'm a network engineer by trade so factorio's belt madness scratches a certain itch
strange quiver
yeah, I've noticed all my friends in IT absolutely go feral for it
turbid bronze
Yeah, and it's interesting to see how different friends of mine in different engineering disciplines handle things, I'm networking so I love BIG FAT BUSSES, other friends in software engineering go feral for bots and circuits, etc.
strange quiver
I'll have to see what my friends do then, when I played I went for the big bus route
Planning is technichally a form of engineering? so I guess it makes sense
frosty sand
Add in my vote for Horse. I’m currently playing a frozen-in-1929 game with NARS locos and Horse wagons (and yes, the sprite offsets are a bit off)
strange quiver
horse it'll be then
I'll take care of it over the coming days, I just need to finish up the script I'm working on atm
it's at 10k words now and it's only about 80% done 😦
soft stump
random question, what sets do you guys normally use my stuff with?
Iron Horse because the wagons are amazing
soft stump
Yeah, and it's interesting to see how different friends of mine in different eng...
Im yet to buy space age but im a train person myself, I don't like those city block setups tho
turbid bronze
Nah I don't do city block, but I do like big fat busses and plenty of breathing room
mint cargo
I Usually play games mix if NARS engines, Iron Horse wagons and the passenger stuff i use your american and australian sets.
strange quiver
good news, I finished that script, and its 11500 words 😦
now I can finally work more on openttd stuff again
strange quiver
they normally top out at 20 mins
but scripts this long normally hit an hour
the ESR script was 10,500 words, so this one might top out at 1hr 20 or so?
I might cut some things though, the section on the XPT might be reduced and saved for a future video on it
strange quiver
it took far too long, but its done, all the alignments for GOPS and stuff now match Iron Horse, so now they're fully compatible
twilit grove
tuff
red stump
Ahhh so good
vestal minnow
I use your engines to pull napr cars, nice to imagine via electric locomotives
Alongside via cars
vestal minnow
good news, I finished that script, and its 11500 words 😦
How many pages is this?
strange quiver
How many pages is this?
32
vestal minnow
Wow
strange quiver
yeah 😦
also today I'm going to the state library to look at the dozen or so documents on the VFT that they have
so hopefully there's some good stuff in there
vestal minnow
My longest paper in university was about 15 pages
strange quiver
My longest paper in university was about 15 pages
tbf, that's typical
my uni has a limit of only 3k words worth of assignments per subject per term
except for thesis's
strange quiver
Hope we see something happen sometime in the future
Yeah, if only so it gives me more to draw :33
Also random thought while I'm on the train, it might be a cool idea to a modular housing set thing
So when it goes to place a building, it picks a few parts and randomly puts them together
So it might pick one of 3 bases, then a mid section, then a top
I might look into that idea sometime tbh
soft stump
I like the idea of modular buildings!
Buildings repeating is kind of a problem for big cities
turbid bronze
So when it goes to place a building, it picks a few parts and randomly puts them...
doable, but the parts would have to stay the same size. Cook up some examples and I'll code em
vestal minnow
Buildings repeating is kind of a problem for big cities
This small town of 2000 people somehow has five ikea locations on the same block
strange quiver
Buildings repeating is kind of a problem for big cities
yeah, which it might help fix
strange quiver
doable, but the parts would have to stay the same size. Cook up some examples an...
I'll let you know if I ever get around to testing it
I reckon that if it's doable, and doesn't require to much extra spritework, it might be a good avenue for getting more variety out of town sets
turbid bronze
Yeah no it's perfectly doable
Remember those two-part buildings in North American Building Set? I almost considered doing the compositing in-grf like that as well but at the time I was working in just NFO and couldn't quite wrap my head around it.
strange quiver
wait what two part buildings in NABS? I don't know about those?
strange quiver
oh, I didn't know they did that
turbid bronze
Well they don't, I hand assembled each sprite manually lmao
strange quiver
oh, well fairo then
strange quiver
oh also, spent today looking at VFT documents, and I got a proper scan of this image
I'll need to properly do the buffet for the VFT now that I've got a better look at it
I also found specification for the VFT power cars
which should be between 4000 and 7000hp each
which is surpsingly more than a normal TGV, they only top out at 4500hp per power car
I might set the VFTs power to around ~6000hp per power car or so?
strange quiver
apparently doing an almost entirely glass dining car is a lot harder than I thought
strange quiver
I think it looks good
also I just noticed that this art shows it with 2 pantographs, so I might have to do that
and there we go
I'm gonna need to follow up the VFT with more high speed trains, so what I'm thinking of doing is dividing them up by generations, sorta like how the french do it with their TGVs
IRL the VFT was meant to be followed up by the VFT North, which was to Brisbane
so I might add a train called the VFT-N and I might base that on the Skeiron from Iron Horse? and introduce it around 2000
after that there really aren't any other High Speed lines that would be viable in Australia, except maybe Melbourne to Adelaide, so that could be VFT West or South East?
that one I might make as a completley fictional design, if only to give more variety, and because part of the VFT program was setting up Australian industry to build high speed trains for future orders in Australia, as well as for export to SE Asia
I reckon a TGV style power car arrangement with the styling of the 100 series shinkansen might go hard tbh. Maybe I could have it be introduced around 2010 or so?
2020s generation I might do some sort of double decker, and call it the VFT Commuter for high speed services between Sydney, Newcastle and Canberra? and have it come in around 2019 or so?
idek what to style it off though
strange quiver
and there we go
I think I'll keep the gian dome cars as a defining feature for all these though, because no other high speed trains have it
crystal crag
What does VFT stand for anyway, is it literally just Very Fast Train, just like how TGV means High Speed Train in French?
strange quiver
What does VFT stand for anyway, is it literally just Very Fast Train, just like ...
yes
crystal crag
Fantastic
strange quiver
the name was brought to you by the same people that called their new fast express train "Express Passenger Train"
and their new, higher performance train the "high performance train"
crystal crag
"High Speed Train was taken"
strange quiver
"High Speed Train was taken"
that's also true
funnily enough, there were originally gonna call the XPT the HST, but decided to go with a new name because they wanted something more "Australian"
crystal crag
Now we need RQT for "Rather (or Really) Quick Train
strange quiver
Now we need RQT for "Rather (or Really) Quick Train
don't give me ideas
crystal crag
We also need the SFT, Super Fast Train
MFT, Moderately Fast Train for not-quite-high-speed services
strange quiver
you would have been fantastic in the CSIRO/Comeng marketing department in the 1980s
oh don't forget Queensland and their tilt trains
they called their electric one the "Electric tilt train", and the diesel "Diesel tilt train"
crystal crag
:D
I like silly acronyms like this but also I sleep now. Very cool to see your set going strong, keep it up
strange quiver
thanks nerd :3
frosty sand
I think it looks good
This is crazy, I love it
strange quiver
This is crazy, I love it
thanks
turbid bronze
I think it looks good
those are some bloody nice pixels Ragin, nicely done.
strange quiver
those are some bloody nice pixels Ragin, nicely done.
thankyou, although the base sprite is stolen off Andy
I just get too deep in the research to get it accurate
mental musk
I reckon a TGV style power car arrangement with the styling of the 100 series sh...
japanese 100 series was not operating in 2010
It was retired in 2002 or so (ealier than 0 series!)
But still, it looks sleek and modern and futuristic till today (just as some other retired shinknsesn)
It is beautifull, which can not be said about modern rolling stock...
strange quiver
japanese 100 series was not operating in 2010
It was retired in 2002 or so (eal...
well, yh, but if its fictional I can have fun with it :3
mental musk
Yeah
but bear in mind that 80s style bloxy designs seem to have an shy comeback whan in tocmes to automobiles
So maybe the design of trains in the future will change too?
strange quiver
but bear in mind that 80s style bloxy designs seem to have an shy comeback whan ...
Maybe, although I still think with some touch ups the 100 series could look modern
although idk, it's just an idea
mental musk
Maybe, although I still think with some touch ups the 100 series could look mode...
you do not need to
It still looks super modern
strange quiver
you do not need to
It still looks super modern
true
severe elbow
I think it looks good
this looks great
vestal minnow
In North America, having a second daily train sounds very good. Amtrak added a second train between Saint Paul and Chicago recently and it’s seeing good ridership. Then you see Europe or Asia and their dozens of daily trains between major cities.
vestal minnow
In North America, having a second daily train sounds very good. Amtrak added a s...
Rail services in Illinois and Germany at the same scale. Illinois is considered one of the better places in terms of rail service. Wish we had Europe level of services here in North America
vestal minnow
its good to see Amtrak's doing well
Yep
finite mountain
its good to see Amtrak's doing well
One things for sure. They are doing a lot better than VIA Rail here in Canada
Recently, the people at CN decided to make VIA trains travel slower on their rails cause apparently the trains were "damaging" rails or smth along those lines
If only we could take a page out of Europe and Asia's playbooks and nationalize the entire rail network
vestal minnow
One things for sure. They are doing a lot better than VIA Rail here in Canada
Yes. Plenty of state level investment into Amtrak systems as well
vestal minnow
Recently, the people at CN decided to make VIA trains travel slower on their rai...
We have poor track maintenance here in parts of Canada
We really need to get it together and fix them
mental musk
Recently, the people at CN decided to make VIA trains travel slower on their rai...
the system schould be nationalised
This will have a couple of benefits. Eg. one big pool of rolling stock, which could be better utilised eg. 1 loco could pull passenger trains in the morining and goodstrains in the afternoon
signal gate
Generally single-operator systems will tend to bias towards either freight or pax, for operational reasons
Splitting them can force a focus on both
In theory
mental musk
hmmmmm
I seem to think the oposite...
What was BR like?
strange quiver
redid my HPT sprite, and added a new countrylink livery based on a proposed XPT livery
I'm gonna split the HPT into two trains, the Instrastate version which will be Push-Pull with a driving trailer (this one), and an interstate version which will be a push-pull like the XPT
vestal minnow
Love the ability to customize the colours here, feel like we can specify amtrak or via liveries if you really wanted to
Imagine if we imported these trains from Australia
strange quiver
Imagine if we imported these trains from Australia
Well Amtrak did look into buying XPTs, but didn't follow through
I did a version of the XPT/HPT in Amtrak colours for CNAPS, but I'll probably re-do it soon-ish
theres a bunch of stuff I wanna touch up in the NA set atm
mental musk
redid my HPT sprite, and added a new countrylink livery based on a proposed XPT ...
the 3rd one from the top looks like it's having an larger front windschield...
mental musk
theres a bunch of stuff I wanna touch up in the NA set atm
electric trains?
strange quiver
the 3rd one from the top looks like it's having an larger front windschield...
it's just because it's got so much black, so it blends in
strange quiver
electric trains?
yee :3
mental musk
it's just because it's got so much black, so it blends in
looks like this...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Super-Yakumo_Series381_1car_Kuro380-7.jpg
which BTW still looks modern and fresh...
mental musk
for an island nation the railways are extraordinaily well developed there...
strange quiver
yeah, it's what happens when you like trains too much
strange quiver
redid my HPT sprite, and added a new countrylink livery based on a proposed XPT ...
Interstate version done
IRL these would have been the same train, and the "Intrastate" design was what the SRA actually ordered, but its my set so I can include whatever I want :3
mental musk
do the coaches differ?
Or only the set is longer and the cabcar is replaced with an 2nd loco?
strange quiver
they have the same coaches
but the interstate version carries slightly fewer people (80 vs 72) but its faster (210kph vs 180) and can has twice as much power (4500hp vs 2250)
but gameplay wise, they're probably interchangeable
mental musk
will tham have diffrent max speeds ingame?
So the interstate version will be better for longer routes
strange quiver
yee, that's their stats in game
and that's how I've tried to balance them
the Intrastate is better for medium distance intercity stuff, but the interstate is for long distance high speed services
strange quiver
Thinking about her again 😦
untold viper
I LOVE COMENG
strange quiver
I LOVE COMENG
we must retvrn
strange quiver
(How do you say that word?)
Comeng?
Com as in Commonwealth, and eng as in the start of Engineering
strange quiver
yee, its a hard G
strange quiver
I thought it was eng as in English
funnily enough I used to pronouce it like that for some reason
steep echo
yee, its a hard G
strange pivot
funnily enough I used to pronouce it like that for some reason
Me too, I still sometimes do by accident 😅
strange quiver
goober moments :3
strange quiver
Thinking about her again 😦
also I drew it
tbh I'm kinda iffy on it, but its good for now
I should also probably sleep, because it's nearly 1am so aaaa
finite mountain
Thinking about her again 😦
While I was searching this up, I found a painting someone made of this
strange quiver
While I was searching this up, I found a painting someone made of this
yee, that artist is actually a friend of mine
I stole their livery idea for my own purposes >:3
finite mountain
yee, that artist is actually a friend of mine
Oh. That's pretty cool
strange quiver
yee, I've actually got them working on stuff for an upcoming video of mine >:33333
strange quiver
That train reminds me of the British one
oh?
steep echo
But the UK tried making a double decker train
strange quiver
But the UK tried making a double decker train
are you talking about the SR 4DD?
steep echo
I did just look at images and they’re less similar than i remember
finite mountain
You know, I always wondered why the UK never tried making new double deck trains
steep echo
I couldn’t remember how to call it until you said
steep echo
You know, I always wondered why the UK never tried making new double deck trains
Too small loading gauge
strange quiver
also fun fact, back in the day when BREL and Comeng were working on converting the Intercity 125 into the XPT, Comeng invited the guys from BREL to Sydney to see if there's any Comeng stuff they would be keen on
finite mountain
Too small loading gauge
Oh right
strange quiver
also fun fact, back in the day when BREL and Comeng were working on converting t...
the main thing they were interested in was the V sets, so they organised a cab ride up the blue mountains line in one, partially to see how V sets performed, but also to see the line the potential XPT would be working on
and as soon as they got to Penrith, where the mountain begins, and they saw the slope, one of the guys from BREL asked one of the Comeng engineers "Is this a joke", followed by "An Intercity 125 cannot work a line that steep"
which was promptly followed by "No it isn't, and it will have to"
I've been reading about the development of the XPT a lot and I just love how the guys from BREL didn't realise what Australian conditions were like before they began supporting the XPT
(the Blue Mountains line has a maximum grade of 1 in 30, and the steepest grade in NSW is 1 in 19, the steepest in the UK is 1 in 33)
vestal minnow
Not sure why this is in my recommended but Sydney is getting a new airport and rail line?
frosty sand
Why ask the one Australian you know, when Google exists?
strange quiver
Why ask the one Australian you know, when Google exists?
It gives me excuses to ramble :333
strange quiver
Not sure why this is in my recommended but Sydney is getting a new airport and r...
Yee, it opens in 2026
I actually dont live far from the northern terminus of the line so its cool watching it get built
strange pivot
Melbourne is also getting the metro tunnel, opening early next year
vestal minnow
Here in Vancouver we are building a subway but it only goes partway to the university
Which means the thousands of daily student commuters will still have to transfer to buses to complete their journey
strange quiver
Cross river rail
funny joke 🙂
strange quiver
it only just occured to me while proof reading a video
but the XPT trains have the same power to weight ratio as the double deckers in Sydney
which is a very strange thought...
also interestingly the XPT locos and passenger cars weigh more than the Class 43s and Mk3 coaches
I'm guessing thats because the Class 43s have basically no crash protection by comparison, and the MK3s as shorter and narrower than the XPT cars
vestal minnow
Last time I took the R4 bus it just broke half-way
Fellow Vancouver resident here?
cold scarab
yep
strange quiver
found a new goofy locomotive design
3 segment, 6 axle passenger locomotive for AN?
dim pulsar
This channel is very much about fictional trains
strange quiver
This channel is very much about fictional trains
true?
dim pulsar
maybe
strange quiver
yes :3
red stump
found a new goofy locomotive design
streamlined diesel electric single cab with a B unit 6 axle passenger locomotive?
in reality, would never work - but would it be cool? absolutely
mental musk
streamlined diesel electric single cab with a B unit 6 axle passenger locomotive...
You described the american E-series LOL
red stump
Which did not work
Although I guess a more modern version is what I'm thinking
Like if a Siemens charger had a b unit 5 axle version
mental musk
for me the B-units are dumb
red stump
(There's a reason that doesn't exist)
mental musk
why don't just connect another cabbed loco?
red stump
Exactly
Or just be like Europe and double cab everything
I do like the permanently coupled Russia/Chinese style electrics though, but they're never used for pax for a reason
frosty sand
Which did not work
E units worked great, when diesel engines were weak, trains were long and heavy, and the locomotives themselves were somewhat unreliable 🙂
mental musk
I do like the permanently coupled Russia/Chinese style electrics though, but the...
in USSR/Russia?CIS there are used on passenger trains, whan dedicated passenger locos are not aviavable
dim pulsar
There is some coupled diesels (2*3040kW) to haul fast passenger trains in china...
red stump
E units worked great, when diesel engines were weak, trains were long and heavy,...
E units were fine but the six axle passenger loco didn't age well basically anywhere
frosty sand
This is wild speculation, but I wonder if two-axle trucks couldn’t handle passenger train speeds in the early diesel era. E units have an unpowered axle. It could also be a horsepower problem and the extra axle is just for weight distribution — F units have one prime mover and E units have two.
vestal minnow
strange pivot
When the Sydney monorail closed they sold the cars for 3k AUD each on gumtree (like fb marketplace)
strange quiver
in reality, would never work - but would it be cool? absolutely
you've gotta remember that Australian Nationals operations were unlike most railroads in the world
the Indian Pacific does 3,000km in a single run
so in that case it kinda makes sense
also AN did request a lot of weird, high power locomotives
mental musk
When the Sydney monorail closed they sold the cars for 3k AUD each on gumtree (l...
Sydnay had an subway?
strange pivot
Sorry, meant monorail, not metro (edited now)
strange pivot
has anyone got any requests?
no N and H set carriages right?
strange quiver
no N and H set carriages right?
I've done the N types, I lumped them in with the Z types though, since they're so similar
I still need to do the H types though...
also the R types, since I'll need them for a video
strange pivot
cool, some of my favourites
severe elbow
has anyone got any requests?
how many electric locos have been done
strange quiver
how many electric locos have been done
not many tbh, just the 86 class
severe elbow
you could do some kiwi electric locos with a 56ft and mk2 for coaches
strange quiver
you could do some kiwi electric locos with a 56ft and mk2 for coaches
sure, I could do that tommorrow
strange quiver
there's a few proposed ones tho :3
Comeng proposed one for what would become the EF class
but yh, I might prioritise the EF
severe elbow
Comeng proposed one for what would become the EF class
i would like to see some of these propositions if any concept art was drawn
strange quiver
I forgot how much I like the EF class, they're so good looking
strange quiver
i would like to see some of these propositions if any concept art was drawn
gimme a sec then
in the meantime, have Comeng's design for the Silver Fern Railcars
severe elbow
I forgot how much I like the EF class, they're so good looking
its the first sprite i drew lol
severe elbow
in the meantime, have Comeng's design for the Silver Fern Railcars
interesting
strange quiver
its the first sprite i drew lol
oooh, neat :3
strange quiver
any chance for higher resolution?
no, unfortunatley :/
it's on my list of drawings to track down and get high res scans of, and I have some inklings of where it might be
I've just not been able to get in
twilit grove
god there are so many cool prototypes and designs ive never seen
strange quiver
god there are so many cool prototypes and designs ive never seen
you don't know how true that is...
vestal minnow
I love how we can explore alternate history scenarios where certain prototype trains entered full scale uses with your set
strange quiver
yeah, that's what my favourite part about making stuff is >:3
strange quiver
I'm actually in the mood for another locomotive, has anyone got anything they'd want?
flat hare
the Kiwi Stadler maybe? 🙂
strange quiver
I could tbh...
apparently Stadlers also gotten a contract for new shunting locomotives for Kiwirail
flat hare
oh nice i haven't seen this yet
strange quiver
apparently it was announced in feb, just it hasn't got a lot of attention
so onto the list it goes!
mental musk
apparently Stadlers also gotten a contract for new shunting locomotives for Kiwi...
I really like the fact that thay decided to go for an simple and good-looking bloxy utilitarian design instand of angry turboplastic!
strange quiver
these bloody things are painful to do
but I think I've gotten the shape right
Kiwirail made this livery just to fuck with me I stg
the silver fern is in different positions on each side!
strange quiver
there we go
mental musk
Kiwirail made this livery just to fuck with me I stg
the shape is ugly too
strange quiver
the shape is ugly too
I like it 😦
strange quiver
coded it btw
mental musk
it would have been an such an nice clean shape like BR class 58!
what could have been...
imagine this but in kiwirail livery...
basicly same shape, but with better looking front
@strange quiver
strange quiver
I could imagine it, but the loco pack will have enough dogbones :3
I could do an 82 class in a Kiwirail scheme
mental musk
speaking about weird loco rebuilds
You all know the M62?
?
oh my God...
not ugly, but it would have been much better if thay retained original cabines
@strange quiver
strange quiver
god that thing looks strange
mental musk
indeed
but there are more strange rebuilds in Poland...
google modernizacja EN57 as there are a lot of rebuilds of this class of MU
I wonder why anything has to look so angry and scary this days... Or like an plastic worm...
But it seems to change eg. Stadler Flirt 3 is an design that I do like
strange quiver
yeah, I should probably do the FLIRTs at some point
especially now I'm more knowledgeable about nml
woeful halo
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/M62_diesel_locomotive_from_L...
The Chinese have a great joke about M62s
mental musk
The Chinese have a great joke about M62s
it is said that the designers of DF4 and M62 were cloning thair ideas both ways
just as with Bejjing Jeep and UAZ 469
strange quiver
tempted to do one more loco before bed
Not sure if I should do a VR C or X class...
mental musk
Did thay had any naming convention or just slapped random letters?
severe elbow
EF class done
looks brilliant
strange quiver
Did thay had any naming convention or just slapped random letters?
just letters 😦
strange quiver
looks brilliant
thanks!
mental musk
tempted to do one more loco before bed
draw an snow plogh
I do know that most likely not a single one operated in Australia, but thay are soo cool!
Would love to see one in action in person from close!
strange quiver
draw an snow plogh
probably not, I'd have no need for one
even in NZ, they don't use them 😦
strange quiver
yeah, snow is pretty 😦
vestal minnow
strange quiver
https://www.reddit.com/r/highspeedrail/comments/1gkt920/drilling_for_sydney_to_n...
seen that, I'm actually watching it closely
I'm hoping the business case comes out before I film so I can put it in my video
vestal minnow
Hope you get a high speed train to ride on soon!
strange quiver
well the CEO of the HSRA seems to have indicated a contract going out in 2027, and a build period of 10 years, so an opening of ~2037
when I'll be 36 >:/
strange pivot
Nice, but no blue and gold VR :(
strange quiver
Nice, but no blue and gold VR :(
its the top one!
strange pivot
Oh, thought that was company colours lol
Looks a bit too bright
These coaches would go well with it too, no idea what they are though
Owned by SRHC
strange quiver
Oh, thought that was company colours lol
it is! All my stuff is done in company colours
strange quiver
These coaches would go well with it too, no idea what they are though
looks like an S/Z type
the C classes go well with the Z types in game
although IRL, they typically worked freight trains
and in game they're designated as heavy freight locomotives
strange pivot
Yeah, they still do, though I’ve never seen one working freight
Not really a Victorian thing I think
strange quiver
Yeah, they still do, though I’ve never seen one working freight
how? I see them all the time
strange pivot
Actually, once I saw one doing freight
strange quiver
theres 4 that work coal trains along the main western line in Sydney
strange pivot
I live in Melbourne
strange quiver
maybe they're not working around melbourne anymore
I guess SSR has most of them nowadays anyway
strange quiver
yeah, that seems like something they be doing
strange pivot
Never seen an SSR one
strange quiver
most are still in the green trains livery actually
the ones that work near me, 2 are in green trains, one is in that Clyde Engineering livery, and the other is in the proper SSR livery
strange pivot
Interesting how so many locos just have the old company’s livery and they just remove the branding and put on their own logos
strange quiver
Interesting how so many locos just have the old company’s livery and they just r...
its cheap at the end of the day
strange quiver
yeah, although its more just laziness
I'm not complaining though
I wish some stuff was still in candy, but no 😦
strange quiver
Going past clyde on the train and the depot was full of 81s, and an WAGR L class which is far from home
The L class is basically the same as the VR C class, just a different cab, so I might do it tomorrow...
Funnily enough, my train just passed those C class locos I talked about before
Theyre at strathfield atm working a coal train up north seemingly
Idk why theyre taking coals to Newcastle, but its a job
mental musk
wasn't L class an electric loco?
strange quiver
nice, I just saw some C44aci's
neat :3
strange quiver
wasn't L class an electric loco?
the VR one was
the WAGR L class was an Australianised SD40
just like the VR C class, altough the WAGR L had the convention spartan cab style nose
strange pivot
wasn't L class an electric loco?
That’s what I thought ragin was saying at first and got confused
mental musk
I wonder if thay ever meeted on an line or station?
strange quiver
A WA and VR L Class?
probably tbh
the WAGR ones stayed in WA until privatisation in the 80s or so
but thats also when the VR L Classes were retired
okay so apparently VLine leased an L class in 1983 for Service between Melbourne and Albury, and the last VR L class ran in 1987
so they would have met in service
also random thought, but since NZ imported some BR MKIIs, it might be worthwhile to chuck the BR MKIIIs into GOPS too
since VR wanted to import some in the 80s
it would make things awkward though, since the BR MKIIs were introduced in the 60s, and the MKIIIs in the 70s, but if I did it based on when they were imported, then the MKIIIs would come in the 80s, while the MKIIs would be in the 90s
strange quiver
good news, they're basically the same past the cab
only difference is the C class is slightly longer
but otherwise, their ass ends are the same
so I can just reuse that part of the sprite
strange quiver
Also appanrently VLine wanted to purchase some L Classes from WAGR outright, but were told no, and that lead to the VLine G class being ordered, which is neat...
I guess I can put it in the VR liveries then
strange pivot
Vline L classes would be so cool
Wish we still had more V/Line locos other than N and Y classes
strange quiver
and they're done >:3
strange quiver
Wish we still had more V/Line locos other than N and Y classes
yh, shame they went too feral for the VLos
also, in the mood for another locomotive
anyone got any request, preferably something like a boxcab, because hood units take so long to do
steep echo
Mostly joke
If you haven’t already
DSB MZ III
Bunch of them were shipped to aus
steep echo
It’s a powerful loco too
strange quiver
I'll have to sus out where to put it
strange quiver
yeah, that's one of the problems with imported stuff like that
does it go in the original date, or the import date
steep echo
It’s easy to find when they were imported
Danish stuff is extremely well documented
I’d personally go with import date but I’m making my set realistic
Either way a 3900hp diesel that is fast will be nice to have
165kph
steep echo
Damn
strange quiver
but yh, I'm trying to think where the put them, because if I do 1972, they'd be pretty powerful, so they'd go in the heavy freight role?
steep echo
Irl they saw mixed use
strange quiver
Irl they saw mixed use
not in Australia though 😦
steep echo
And yeah, when they were made they were the most powerful diesel loco in Europe i think
strange quiver
yeah, which also complicates things
I think they'll go in the heavy freight role at 1972
so they'll be introduced just after the SD40-2, and before the VR C Class
if I put them in normal freight, or mixed traffic they'd eclipse everything else in terms of power
steep echo
Xdd
strange quiver
And yeah, when they were made they were the most powerful diesel loco in Europe ...
any chance you know what their export designation is btw?
real sun
Any plans to do one of the electric locomotives used for coal up in central QLD?
strange quiver
Wikipedia says J30C-2, but it doesn't specify what series thats for
strange quiver
Any plans to do one of the electric locomotives used for coal up in central QLD?
yee, I could probably do one of those later today, or this weekend
steep echo
any chance you know what their export designation is btw?
Their class? No idea
steep echo
Wikipedia says J30C-2, but it doesn't specify what series thats for
Wdym?
strange quiver
and they're done >:3
these are GT26C's for instance
I try and use them in my stuff instead of the class designation since it's more generic than class designations
strange quiver
yeah
strange quiver
oh I know, but what was the designation for the MZIIIs
steep echo
They’re visually distinct from the i/ii and the iv
steep echo
oh I know, but what was the designation for the MZIIIs
They all woulda got one even if they never went there?
strange quiver
They all woulda got one even if they never went there?
its just how EMD exports work
although I think J30C-2 is accurate, at least for the MZIIIs
since they typically go up in 4, and J30 would indicate a 20 cylinder 645 engine
although there aren't any others to compare against since most export locos had either 8, 12 or 16 cylinder engines
steep echo
I have no idea
I don’t really look into the engines or whatnot
I do need to find something out but it probably requires asking Danes
That’s, what is the power of an MZ (i don’t recall which but the info is out there) engine without the turbocharger
One of the MY locos was fitted with one and I’d like to include that if the power is significantly different
strange quiver
it probably wouldn't be too difficult to check, just find an example of something with the same engine, just not turbocharged
but you can just knock maybe 10% off the total power output to get a proper guess
steep echo
Oh shit
The early MZ locos only had 3300
But that’s still a nearly 3000hp engine in a loco that, when first built, had about half of that
I’ll look now
strange quiver
I'd be curious to know too
but also looking at the wiki page for the 624, the 20 cyldiner E3 engine only put out 3600hp, so I wanna know how it apparently put out 3900
also I think the J30C-2 designation is wrong, because nothing else with the 20-645E used a roots blower, so it should have a turbocharger
and in that case, the designation should be JT30C-2
strange quiver
oh?
steep echo
Kørte 29/12-78 fast i sne ved Fiskebæk. Gravet fri en uge senere. 645E GM-dieselmotor ilagt 1979.
Got stuck in snow
Freed a week later
Then a powerful engine shoved in it
steep echo
The website says 1950hp, but that’s just the power of all of the late model MY locos
steep echo
Oh i think i confused you xd
I thought you’d kept up with my autism
The MZ III that you guys got will have 3900 yes
strange quiver
my brains just too fried from drawing all day, and too much kebab last night after the pub 😦
steep echo
But my brain went thinking about the MY II that had an engine of the MZ type put into it
But without the turbocharger
strange quiver
oh fair
mental musk
hmmmm
I do not want to litter the forum
But do You want to see an project (related with games and vehicles, but now with OpenTTD and with 3D graphics) that I finished recently?
strange quiver
sure?
mental musk
good city builder
be facto
crossofver between factorio, cities skylines and tranpsort fever
it is an difficult game though
strange quiver
yeah, it seems cool tho
strange quiver
decided to do the QR 3900 class
not sure if the front is good, so I might re-do it
also I have the issue of how to go about doing the 3500 class, since they're near identical
I could just use the same sprite but with different stats? or I might try and work out how to differentiate them artificially
also I've now done all the 1980s era mixed traffic locomotives, which wasn't intentional
mental musk
decided to do the QR 3900 class
it does a bit resamble japanese electric locos...
mental musk
I could just use the same sprite but with different stats? or I might try and wo...
You can add some fictional liveries like with stripe or with cabs in one colour and traphesus on the side in an other
And/Or differate the parameters - eg. make one of tham an limited express loco with 160 or os km/h
strange quiver
it does a bit resamble japanese electric locos...
funnily enough, the 3900s are the only QR eletrics from that era that weren't based on japanese locos
the earlie 3100s were based on Hitachi technology, while the 3900s were based on ASEAs tech
mental musk
ASEA was big on exporting locos or tech to build tham!
Polish class EP03 was made by ASEA
strange quiver
You can add some fictional liveries like with stripe or with cabs in one colour ...
well the 3500s were freight locos, so they were geared differently
mental musk
and some EMU class
strange quiver
but yh, we'll see what I do with the liveries
strange quiver
Polish class EP03 was made by ASEA
oh fairo
mental musk
EW54
Also Yugoslavia and romania made electric locos on ASEA licence
Spain was the only (as far as I know) european country to build electric locos on japanese licence - classes 251, 269,279,289
Poland build locos on brititsh EE licence, although some types used also soviet patents
Let's not forget about Czechoslovakia! - it was once the WORLD'S LARGEST manufacturer of electric locos
with it's own destingtive design and high technology
It all started with an swiss licence...
strange quiver
Spain was the only (as far as I know) european country to build electric locos o...
yeah, I've seen those
I'll make sure to include them if I ever do a european loco pack >:3
mental musk
I'll make sure to include them if I ever do a european loco pack >:3
yeah, very european
Czechoslovakia was interesting in many ways. It is worth noticing that some types had carbodies with panels made out of laminate. Years before such idea become popular!
and look at this design!
back in the day thay had to look like spaceships!
civic ether
theye look really cool
civic ether
Let's not forget about Czechoslovakia! - it was once the WORLD'S LARGEST manufac...
Kinda reminds me of Bulgaria once having a pretty big computer industry
mental musk
Kinda reminds me of Bulgaria once having a pretty big computer industry
nice to know, I haven't heard that yet!
signal gate
Czechoslovakia was interesting in many ways. It is worth noticing that some type...
Livery is….sharp
Colours pop
dim pulsar
I must visit CZ at some point, after I get schengen visa
The second densist country in regard of railways
woeful halo
it is said that the designers of DF4 and M62 were cloning thair ideas both ways
Makes sense tbh, DF4 is from the same time roughly
strange quiver
CR NJ Class locomotives done :3
strange pivot
Nice
mint cargo
Hi @strange quiver, are you planning make the North American Engines again?
Or you are focus only on aussie stuff now
strange quiver
Hi <@216730832122019841>, are you planning make the North American Engines again...
yeah, I'm just in the mood for Australian stuff atm
I'll do more north american stuff in future
lone minnow
Was looking at the Switchcars IGCD and found this...thing that might work for a mod
It says it's based on an SVL Turbojet train but when I search that up the results look nothing like it so it might be fictional
Switchcars has some incredibly cool deepcut vehicles in it
Just a couple of fun super obscure vehicles I found
It also has a couple of near futuristic rail trains and maglevs you can take inspiration from
In game this is actually said to be a freight locomotive despite it looking more like a bullet train to me
strange quiver
those could be fun for some near future stuff
lone minnow
those could be fun for some near future stuff
mhmm
there's more but I don't think they're on IGCD so i'll have to screenshot them in game
strange quiver
there's more but I don't think they're on IGCD so i'll have to screenshot them i...
all good :3
also, I drew the NSW 46 class
I used Andy's Stalwart as a reference, because its quite good
lone minnow
also, I drew the NSW 46 class
I like those liveries
Shunter ( names are randomly generated in this game )
strange quiver
Shunter ( names are randomly generated in this game )
oh they're cute
lone minnow
Railbus
lone minnow
oh they're cute
yeah this game has some great near and far future designs
lone minnow
its cute :3
ye
steep echo
It says it's based on an SVL Turbojet train but when I search that up the result...
maybe but both soviets and americans built jet trains
lone minnow
maybe but both soviets and americans built jet trains
true
doesnt look like the black beetle ( I think that's the name? ) either tho
strange quiver
Tangent, but I was going through archive photos of the 46's to see if there's anything interesting
and there's a bunch of 4633 from 1971 after it had been shot at
good new, none penetrated, which means they're bulletproof
strange pivot
A lot of trains have bulletproof windows to protect against rocks mainly
strange quiver
yeah, and the side panels tend to be quite thick for crash protection
crystal crag
there's more but I don't think they're on IGCD so i'll have to screenshot them i...
You can actually get the sprites from the game ever since they included mod support. I've got all the vehicle sprites saved to my PC because they're neat
lone minnow
You can actually get the sprites from the game ever since they included mod supp...
you play Switchcars?
crystal crag
haven't in a while, but enjoyed it when I did
lone minnow
haven't in a while, but enjoyed it when I did
same
I might start playing it again though
crystal crag
It says it's based on an SVL Turbojet train but when I search that up the result...
crystal crag
Yeah
Switchcars did a sprite rework at one point so that might be why the page no longer matches what it's called
lone minnow
Switchcars did a sprite rework at one point so that might be why the page no lon...
maybe
mental musk
trains powered by aeroplane engines are an old invention that never really took of...
The first aerovagon killed it's engeneer druing one of the test drives...
steep echo
trains powered by aeroplane engines are an old invention that never really took ...
To be fair
They were never meant to take off
strange quiver
tbh, as a meme i should put the jet turbine powered RDC into my North American set
mental musk
make it extra expensive to run
there was also an thing called bombardier jet train but it was basicly an turbine...
strange quiver
there was also an thing called *bombardier jet train* but it was basicly an turb...
yee, it's also on my list :3
mental musk
it's gonna go in the dumb ideas section
||Hyperloop||?
Atmospheric railways made more sense
although every single time an atmospheric line is build
It gets converted to normal motorised operation some time later LOL
mental musk
BTW
Have You hered of swissmetro?
note cool CGI
And lack of windows...
Someone said that TVs will repleace tham...
An dystoian vision...
strange pivot
the people are surprisingly well-made
mental musk
perheps real actors slapped onto the animation with the use of greenbox
strange quiver
going through and trying to sus out freight wagons, and there's some cool stuff
for some reason VR used a bunch of old steam locomotive tender bogies for these car wagons
also man its sad looking at a train full of brand new Australian made cars
I just want holden back 😦
mental musk
for some reason VR used a bunch of old steam locomotive tender bogies for these ...
becouse it does not snow there
In Europe it was common to convert tenders into snowploughs
strange quiver
becouse it does not snow there
In Europe it was common to convert tenders into ...
I think it was more that in the 60s they were retiring a bunch, so they might as well re-use the bogies
VR did that a lot
strange quiver
VR did that a lot
they re-used the bogies from Swing door suburban stock for their Y-Class branch line locomotives
do I include bomb vans?
maybe as a hazardous goods box van?
mental musk
they re-used the bogies from Swing door suburban stock for their Y-Class branch ...
what?
EMU bogeys went to electric locos?
strange quiver
yeah, they work
civic ether
Explosives vans would be cool
Some WW2 era QR North Coast Line kinda beat
Wartime railroading
strange quiver
sure :3
did QR even operate any though?
I'm not sure because researching anything QR is a pain
civic ether
Dunno, they might have been imports from the states or the UK tbh
strange quiver
I'm gonna generecise a bunch of stuff anyway, so I can make it work
civic ether
All I know is that a lot of wartime traffic was moved on that narrow gauge
strange quiver
All I know is that a lot of wartime traffic was moved on that narrow gauge
true, but maybe they didn't have dedicated stock for it
Ik the NSW and VR explosive vans were for civil stuff
civic ether
Very likely
strange quiver
military stuff iirc was just transported using normal wagons
actually, NSW did have dedicated tank transporter wagons...
severe elbow
EMU bogeys went to electric locos?
dont see why it wouldnt work
may as well reuse them if they still work fine
strange quiver
actually, NSW did have dedicated tank transporter wagons...
I could add these
maybe if you transport vehicles with these, it'll be a grant or centurion or something
dim pulsar
I guess the VR discussed here is some Australia rail company, not Finland one
strange quiver
I guess the VR discussed here is some Australia rail company, not Finland one
it is, it's Victorian railways
tbf, both VRs were a bit weird, and use broad gauge
so they're not too different
crystal crag
maybe if you transport vehicles with these, it'll be a grant or centurion or som...
there's a sherman sprite somehwere on the TT-forum that I can dig up, i asked the artist for permission to use it at one point and got it, but haven't put it in anything yet
mental musk
hmmmmmm
flatcar with an battle tank will be
industral equipment transport?
or an tank car? 🤣
signal gate
what cargo classs? 😛
frosty sand
CC_WEIRD for sure
strange quiver
tbh I was thinking of just doing vehicles or something
strange quiver
there's a sherman sprite somehwere on the TT-forum that I can dig up, i asked th...
oooh, might be a good one to steal
although Australia never operated the sherman because we're weird 😦
NZ did tho
strange quiver
I should do more QR locomotives, the 1200 class looks like if the British made an EMD F unit
they also build a variant as a hood unit
which feels like one of those odd experiment that the Santa Fe did with their F units
soft stump
I should do more QR locomotives, the 1200 class looks like if the British made a...
I love how this locomotive looks
strange quiver
its such a vibe
I have a job application I need to do, but I might do both later today...
strange quiver
I have the bloody operating manual for the Budd Metroliners in my downloads folder, and for whatever reason it appears whenever I search for "resume"
and the amount of times I've nearly submitted that to a job application is concerning
I'm a dumbass
regardless, now its train time
strange quiver
do it, Melbournes suburban trains are pretty cool
but aren't you working on a danish set or something?
steep echo
It started off as Danish
Then it became Scandinavian, then Scandi and Switzerland
I’ve just accepted that I’m just gonna add whatever i want to it
While keeping a focus on Germanic Europe, France, Italy and former Yugoslavia
Weirdly enough, my reason for wanting to make the aus stuff is nostalgia
I used these trains a lot as a kid
strange quiver
fair enough, well good luck
and if you need any resources, you're free to pinch from me
steep echo
Xd
Thanks)
I had considered treating my set as a sort of spiritual successor to the 2cc set
But then people would start expecting me to make stuff
strange quiver
yeah, that's fair
tbh I'm tempting to do a redrawn version of the 2cc set, but it'd be a lot of work
steep echo
It would
All my stuff is 2cc so people can just pretend
I think the only country that i will strictly not make anything for is the UK
I mean
I’ll making the classes 47, 50, 86 and 87, because they operate in Hungary and Bulgaria, but they won’t get UK liveries
strange quiver
yeah, I'm the same, I do wanna do sets based on a lot of countries/regions, but the UK is probably the only one I won't
solely because if someone wants a UK sets, they already have so many options
steep echo
It is already very well done
Yeah
I’m the same with the Netherlands
Well
I’ll draw some Dutch carriages and maybe one or two other things
But only because my scale is different
strange quiver
yeah fair
I do wanna do some european stuff at some point, but it's a long way off for me
steep echo
Time scale is fucked in my head anyway
If you draw stories to my scale they’d be accepted in my set xd
strange quiver
wait wdym?
steep echo
I use a non standard scale
It’s based on the SBB set but vehicles are longer
Aside from length the drawing rules are practically the same as the SBB set
steep echo
I always liked the bigger carriages of the SBB set so in took that and made it a bit more
strange quiver
yh, that's fair
strange quiver
QR 1200 and 1250 class done
the QR livery is really hard to do, so I might retweak it at some point
strange quiver
Also, these were a pain to draw, but... the VR L Class, and NZR DG and DF classes have similar noses
so doing them should be pretty straightforward now
crystal crag
I should do more QR locomotives, the 1200 class looks like if the British made a...
I like these. They remind me of the fake A/B-units I made for my UK set
strange quiver
I like these. They remind me of the fake A/B-units I made for my UK set
oh? what were those again?
mental musk
I like these. They remind me of the fake A/B-units I made for my UK set
can You show tham?
strange quiver
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Blue_tiger10.11.97.jpg
its probably just the colours tbh
crystal crag
Do it. I love me my silly trains
crystal crag
This brand of "Mostly Realistic but also really 'wrong'"
crystal crag
I've been adding dumb goober trains to my lists
You need to draw some US locos but modify them to have a cab on both ends, UK-style
strange quiver
You need to draw some US locos but modify them to have a cab on both ends, UK-st...
that's a horrific idea
tbh idek how that'd work, since they normally have quite big noses?
mental musk
really nice!
mental musk
tbh idek how that'd work, since they normally have quite big noses?
like class 58 with noees
crystal crag
is that released?
it's very much WIP but mostly playable
crystal crag
that's a horrific idea
that's exactly why you should do it. And if that means very little space between the noses... even better!
strange quiver
that's exactly why you should do it. And if that means very little space between...
sure
it'll have 2 cabs, but it'll have a smaller engine to compensate
no more V16s, we're doing inline 6s
crystal crag
A mockup made from some random drawing I found online
It's funny how this looks cursed if you know what's wrong, but doesn't look awful
Same as my A/B UK Units. if you don't know anything, it doesn't seem too weird
crystal crag
you'd only be able to fit a tiny engine in that thing
Make it a shunter
strange quiver
sure, that's a dumb enough idea
strange quiver
so I was reading up on the development of the QR 3100 class locomotives and found this quote
In another lesson on the Hitachi way of doing things,
Richardson recalled the occasion when the Hitachi
negotiators kept requesting they leave the meeting to ring
Japan for clarification on this or that detail. But Richardson
discovered later that no overseas calls had been made
through the Comeng switchboard, only local ones. He
quizzed the Hitachi manager as to what was going on:
He quoted a Japanese phrase which he said meant: ‘He is the man behind the curtain’. This mystery senior man had
come with the party from Japan but we would never see
him, even though he controlled the discussions. They had to
refer anything of any importance to him so he would make a
decision and they would go back and either start from square
one or carry on. He told me that was the way they did things.
‘The man behind the curtain’ is not emotionally involved in
the discussions that are taking place with you
They said they needed to run details by the guys in Japan? but it turns out they were running them past a mystery man from Japan who they weren't allowed to know about?
who the fuck was the mystery man that Comeng was forbidden from knowing the identity of?
not long after, hitachi broke off their relationship with Comeng, and never said why, so did they find out something they weren't meant to know about?
vestal minnow
Never been to Sydney or Singapore so can’t speak for them but had good experiences riding the mtr in Hong Kong
Renowned for its efficiency and reliability
strange quiver
Never been to Sydney or Singapore so can’t speak for them but had good experienc...
Well mtr runs sydney metro so..m
Also y'all are gonna go feral when i show what I found today
I just need to get home and take the photos off my sd card
vestal minnow
Well mtr runs sydney metro so..m
Oh really? That's interesting
Know they run lines in Sweden also
strange quiver
her
they had so much cool stuff
also lots of different livery proposals, which I don't need for my research, but they'd be helpful for Openttd...
also I got to see the boys in train gaol
strange quiver
wasn't able to get a good photo, but I also found out I way underspecced the Push-Pull HPT in GOPS
I gave the Tri-Bo powercar 2250hp, apparently it was closer to 4200hp net
strange pivot
they had so much cool stuff
Where’s this?
strange quiver
Where’s this?
powerhouse museum discovery centre, castle hill
it was a private viewing though, none of this is on display
strange pivot
Seems cool
strange quiver
it was, I'm gonna go back another time for more projects
strange pivot
Though id have to get the XPT, three trains and a bus to get there
Maybe I’ll visit when I go to Sydney next year probably
strange quiver
no? it'd only be one train effectively
since you can just get the metro to norwest
strange pivot
I live in Melbourne
strange quiver
but yh, the HPT stuff requires a private booking, and the main museum is only open on weekends
strange quiver
I live in Melbourne
oh, I thought you meant on the Sydney end
strange pivot
Yeah i saw, just metro from central
strange quiver
yeah
mental musk
something like that apeared in the OG Cities in Motion
strange quiver
NSW 442 and 80 class locos done
the sprites are very similar so I did them together, only difference in game is their stats are slightly different
IRL they're very similar locos
they'll need SAR liveries too since the SAR 700 class is the same as the NSW 442 class, but that's tomorrow's job
after this, I think it'd just be the NR and 81/G/BL classes left and then most of the mixed traffic locos are done
so then it might be ready to go
the roster thus far is already looking pretty solid
might add the N class/GML10 to that list too before release
although the N class and GML10 are so similar I'll do them together, so they'll be easy
severe elbow
any other kiwi locos?
mental musk
well...
That's a lot of locos!
Do the stats differ ingame for locos aviavalbe to purchase at the same time?
strange pivot
might add the N class/GML10 to that list too before release
Never heard of the GML10, they’re really nice
strange pivot
well...
That's a lot of locos!
Do the stats differ ingame for locos aviavalbe ...
Yes, they differ
strange quiver
well...
That's a lot of locos!
Do the stats differ ingame for locos aviavalbe ...
Yee
strange quiver
Never heard of the GML10, they’re really nice
Well it was a prototype
Its basically just an N class with a 12-710 engine instead of a 12-645
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