Ragins Train Sets

[terse sandal]

You want their 2cc variants?

[lone patrol]

Idk, are they in the set? I’m just wondering tbh

Are they actually within the scope of this?

[terse sandal]

No, I mean, they're already in great societies metro pack

I'm not sure why you want them added here

So I'm just asking

[lone patrol]

Idk, and NYC subway / Chicago L already has a set albeit outdated

Also this set is more generic

[terse sandal]

NYC subway set is not outdated, it's just mostly complete

[lone patrol]

My bad

[terse sandal]

There are only R211 and R40s lacking, if I remember correctly

I'm its author btw :D

[lone patrol]

Nice

There are no plans to add R211s right?

[terse sandal]

And I have sprites for MBTA and some other systems, so I asked @strange quiver to leave them up for me to implement

[terse sandal]

There are, actually
I just haven't been around to doing them, until recently

I will try to push an update this week or the next one

[lone patrol]

Just an idea, and you don’t need to accept it or anything, but you could add generic Great Society Metro inspired trains (higher speeds for longer intrastations, less capacity) if there aren’t already similar ones

[terse sandal]

Back in 2018-2019 (times of active NES: NYC development) irl R211 were only a mockup

[lone patrol]

Also no one has done recreations of or networks inspired by US networks in OTTD yet right? Like the NYC subway or WMATA

I guess this game doesn’t have as many fans in the US

[terse sandal]

You mean, metro networks?

We just don't have that much freedom for underground tracks

[dim pulsar]

Post-war America = car brain

[finite mountain]

@strange quiver Off the topic of the generic trains set, just wondering, for the Great Societies Metro Pack, mainly the MARTA set, do you plan on adding MARTA's new Stadler Metro/CQ400 trains when they enter service?

[lone patrol]

You’re not wrong

[terse sandal]

Yet I do not understand how it is relevant to the topic

[lone patrol]

Fair

[strange quiver]

To GNARTS? Yeah, but they'll have to wait as I'm a bit burnt out on american stuff atm

[strange quiver]

I do, I just want to wait until a final design is announced

And I have the motivation :3

[strange quiver]

We can have a little anti-car talk, as a treat :3

[dim pulsar]

It may be the reason why “this game doesn’t have as many fans in the US”

[terse sandal]

I am not sure it is right to assume so (that the game doesn't have enough US fans); you're judging it from being on this server, which mostly consists of europeans, so you're not accounting for the bias

[strange quiver]

Tbf, this server (which isnt region specific) being biased towards more europeans could be some evidence of that

Generally Americans make up a fair portion of internet users, so if there arent many here, it does hint that americans arent as into openttd

[dim pulsar]

Sorry for any confusion, I just found Europe is a lot populous than North America. Maybe that is one of the reason, but there is higher possibilities in areas with high density of railways to have rail fans, and vise versa, so this is the logic of what I have said.

[strange quiver]

Although the active openttd community is a fairly snall sample size, because if we go off NewGRF devs as an example, theres a strong bias towards them coming from Newcastle Australia, since me and GarryG are from there

So it could be there are a proportional amount of americans, theyre just not active in the community

[terse sandal]

It's actually pretty hard to deduce whether this statement is true since we're only accounting for active players on the server, and most of active people here are pretty much the same folk we know nationality of. Yet this certainly cannot mean that there are more OpenTTD players from EU than NA (it could, but it's yet not proven)

[strange quiver]

Yeah

Actually, does that survey thing the devs were doing count country of origin? Because thatd be really interesting

It doesnt seemingly

Tbh we should do a survey of that at some point because I'd actually be curious to know

My guess would be the largest portion of the community is in the UK

Maybe US/Canada after? And then maybe the rest of europe

[terse sandal]

Don't forget Asian regions too

They may have communities you're not aware of

[dim pulsar]

Oh, there is a way to prove.

https://survey.openttd.org/summaries/2024/wk08/14.0-RC1#info.configuration.language.name

So maybe US players are more than assumed…

[strange quiver]

True!

Ik theres a separate korean and russian site iirc

[strange quiver]

Thats not necessarily accurate though, as some countries like Australia/Canada/NZ will often just choose US english without much though

Pretty sure my game is in US english

Its also interesting how there seems to be a large Russian community

[dim pulsar]

By the way, has Ragin met Garry before IRL?

[strange quiver]

I have not!

We probably will at some point, since IK he goes to steamfest, which I occasionally pop in to

[lone patrol]

Meanwhile, I’m in the US and use UK English (in JGR it often shows that US English is less complete with missing by translations. Also UK is default)

[strange quiver]

Yeah, thats true too

So thered be some bias towards US English amongst JGR players

[lone patrol]

You mean UK

[strange quiver]

Yeah, aaa

[strange quiver]

oh also, starting on my Australian pack

took some of Fairy's PGT code, and first bodge, it works

had a hard time working out how the reversed template worked, but managed to sort it

I assumed you just reversed everything in the template, but nah, you just invert the arrangement of sprites

now I've got to go through and add more detailed switch names so I can understand how it all works

[strange quiver]

I think I'm gonna take the sensible option, and not try and decode Fairy's PGT code because I do not have the knowledge to do so

so I guess I at least know how to go about rebuilding something akin to PGT

so should I start with EMUs or DMUs first?

Or high speed trains? 🤔

[mint cargo]

Begin if EMUs/DMUs, as you already drawn ones for American Subways, could modify some of existing sprites to make "generic" Australian ones, like Victorian Railways Harris one

[strange quiver]

I think I probably will start with DMUs tomorrow

Since theyre first on my google doc, and it'll make giving everything ids easier

Downside is most of those sprites will need to be drawn from scratch 😦

[mint cargo]

Understand. Just curious, did you not plan any new stock for GNARTS?

[strange quiver]

I have plans to add more to it, I'm just taking a break from it because I'm a bit burnt out on it

Next batch of stock is already planned, and there'll be a line based on BART/WMATA/MARTA/PATCO etc

And then a light rail/interurban line roster

[mint cargo]

This would be interesting. Make in your time

[strange quiver]

Yee :3

If you do have any suggestions btw, feel free to lmk

Because it really helps me keep motivated

[strange quiver]

okay, so I'm sitting down to start the DMUs, and first up is the CPH railmotor, which has got me questioning how I want to go about it

so they're a bit weird, like lot of Australian DMU's, they're technichally railcars, but they also had separate trailer cars

so my options are, code them the same was the DMU's were in PGT, or code them as railcars (akin to the single car units in GNARTS) and have a separate passenger wagon to go with them

or just code them as railcars and don't worry about the trailers

I'm kinda edging towards coding them as railcars, and maybe only worrying about the trailers later on, since most of these railcars operated without them most of the time

okay, so apparently there's photos of them doing an Amtrak Midwest, and putting whatever car they can find in the middle

I might just code them so you can put whatever you want in the set?

[strange quiver]

I just find the fact they took a spare interurban car and slotted it in funny tbh

complete tangent, but I was doing some research, and apparently the NSW Railways built a prototype railmotor out of an american suburban carriage?

with the strangest crew layout I've ever seen?

although I suppose it works, since American suburban cars (at least the older ones) only had end platforms, and doors couldn't be cut into the side due to their construction

apparently it was a later batch car, so they just chose this weird layout for fun then

[twilit grove]

id say treat themj as a railcar with a trailer

[strange quiver]

I might code them as both and then see how it goes

[mint cargo]

I would Love see some of early Sydney Cityrail Double Deck Stock. This is a thing that sometimes i notice a lack of early double deck trains, as mostly aare modern. Maybe a idea for a generic or even some fantasy early bilevel trains

[strange quiver]

I plan to include them!

As a sydnsider it'd be sacrilege if I didnt

[strange quiver]

hey, does anyone know how I'd code it so when the player reverses a vehicle it uses a specific sprite?

[finite mountain]

Maybe Tony Pixel might. Idk

[twilit grove]

Oh hey a fellow Australian

[strange quiver]

I might shoot him a message sometime then

[strange quiver]

Yee :3

[terse sandal]

switch (FEAT_TRAINS, SELF, sw_something, vehicle_is_reversed) {
  0: sw_something2;
  spriteset_my_spriteset;
}

...

item(...) {
  graphics {
    default: sw_something;
  }
}

[strange quiver]

thanks, I'll try and see what I can do

it might be a bit difficult because I have a fair few switches for each railcar, so integrating it might be a bit difficult...

[terse sandal]

just add it to the switch chain or place first

[strange quiver]

yeah, Ik, I just have to work out the specifics

most of my code is bodged together, and my coding knowledge/experience is very minimal, so yeah...

and also my switch chains look like this

[terse sandal]

but what changes on vehicle reverse?

[strange quiver]

it should use a reverse sprite

[strange quiver]

so there are some cars like these that have details on one side

rn if the player reverses them, the switches that control the head/markerlights breaks and displays them the wrong way around

[terse sandal]

That's why I just draw headlights onto the spriteset as an additional row and don't bother writing 5 more switches to compose the stack :)

[strange quiver]

Yeah, I might switch back to that tbh

it just makes doing liveries faster, since it means I can avoid copying and pasting on the sprite sheet

[terse sandal]

I would've used code to compose sprites but it is too cumbersome atm, so I see less problems in copying it once and changing 8-10 pixels

[strange quiver]

it's less that, and more it avoids making mistakes

it's easier to avoid messing up a livery if you're doing fewer sprites, and it's much easier to fix

[strange quiver]

okay, so I tried integrating it with the switch at the start, and end of the chain, and it seemed to have no effect at all

Fairy said she'll have a go, so I'm gonna go back to drawing and avoid single unit railcars for the time being

or maybe not... I do wanna draw those Vulcan railcars 😦

[strange quiver]

Fairy wrote some code that works

but now I'm trying to fix the 7 template not working, since vehicles move to a different position when flipped, and I've been trying to fix it for the past 1.5 hours and I can't fix it and now I have a headache >:////

so if anyone has the time, I'd appreciate someone else having a go, because it's making my head hurt

[glossy compass]

Some lengths just do that regardless

[strange quiver]

Yeah, seemingly

Hopefully theres a workaround, because otherwise its very, very annoying

[strange quiver]

spent today filming a video, and then spent this arvo working on a 600/700 and 620/720 railcar hybrid. I think it looks good? but at the same time, idk

maybe it'd look better if I did the liveries

also I need to draw and work out how to code a sprite for the headlight being off on a middle car

also, if anyone's curious I've gotten a decent roster done so far, although I'm just putting them in game solely to verify the sprites look good. I do want to properly code everything later once the issues I've had are fixed

[twilit grove]

what about deb sets

[strange quiver]

they're on the to-do list

I'm just focusing on 'suburban' DMUs atm

[twilit grove]

fair enough

will freight locos be done eventually?

[strange quiver]

yh, but as a separate pack

[twilit grove]

smexy

[strange quiver]

yee :3

[twilit grove]

better do my boys the 81 and 48 class right

[strange quiver]

I plan to!

I've actually already got an 81 class sprite drawn (with liveries), I just need to put it into something

[twilit grove]

could i see it pwetty please

[strange quiver]

apparently I never did the liveries

but it still looks good imo

it just needs to be lengthened since I use a different sprite template now

[twilit grove]

slap a big old 81 on it

[strange quiver]

tbh, when I add it to a proper set I might

that's one of the things I really like about the freightcorp liveries

one I really wanna add is the 90 class which had the same

I guess when I do locos in these liveries, I'll probably just do the class number only

I could probably make some random switch to have randomised numbers, but I'm lazy and also it probably wouldn't be worth it

[twilit grove]

honestly that would set it apart from other grfs

[strange quiver]

yeah, but It'd be a lot of work 😦

[twilit grove]

true

just the class number would be fine

[strange quiver]

yeah :3

which is what I'll do

[finite mountain]

Do you plan on making the 44 class?

[strange quiver]

of course!

I love my goofy ALCOs :3

there was one sitting on blocks near where I used to live actually

and it made me laugh every time I passed it on the train because it looks like someone stole the bogeys

[twilit grove]

Lol

[strange quiver]

Important decision. Do I add this design of suburban railcar, or the alternative budget version?

these are unbuilt suburban DMU designs by Comeng in the late 1970s btw

[vestal minnow]

Yes so alternate history scenarios can be made

[strange quiver]

exactly >:3

[strange quiver]

I'll probably only do the first design btw

also I did an adelaide 2000 class which looks quite cool imo

it's technichally only motor cars, but that's just because I cbf setting up the code for motor/driving trailer cars, and this is coded as a modular mu anyway

also it's quite liberally based off of some of the sprites in JP+, because otherwise I'd struggle to get that cab right

[strange quiver]

first batch of DMUs for GOPs are done

I just need to get the code finalise, do the liveries, and add proper purchase/running costs

also if anyone can spot the fictional/unbuilt cars you get a cookie :3

I'm also not sure when I'll release GOPs, I might wait until these cars are all properly sorted, or I might wait until all of the diesels are done, we'll see

[frosty sand]

Woot!

[finite mountain]

Any plans to make the Vlocity DMU's?

[strange quiver]

That was last nights project actually!

got a few more dmus to do, and then I'll start working on liveries

[twilit grove]

will we be able to add cars to them>

[strange quiver]

of course!

theyre coded as MUs

[twilit grove]

sweet

cant wait for this set

[strange quiver]

good to hear >:)

[mellow loom]

VLocity are 160km/h aren't they?

[strange quiver]

in operation? Yes. Design speed? 200kph

Also, I'm going to bed, and camping, but before I head off for a bit here's what the set currently looks like

got a few more DMUs to do (Walker Rail motor, HPT, Diesel Tilt Train and a few more fictional ones), and then after that I'll do liveries and put it on Bananas

hopefully next week I have the motivation/time to do it all

also requests/suggestions are very much appreciated!

[dim pulsar]

So there is no further development in "Project Generic Trains", this set will overtake?

[strange quiver]

Effectively

Although its better to think of it being the same idea as PGT, just done differently

[dim pulsar]

Thanks for information, hope you have a good camping 🙂 (You took your computer to campsite?)

[strange quiver]

Nw

And nah, I'm going on friday

Its just tomorrow I'm quite busy too and might not have time to work on anything either

[strange quiver]

okay, I'm back from camping, and I got the final two express DMUs done

so now I'll be focusing on liveries and costs to get a playable version out

idk how much of a difference using Train_Flag_Tilt for the tilt train will make, but hopefully it's worth using and not completely broken

[dim pulsar]

Tilt is functional

[strange quiver]

Good then :3

[twilit grove]

what about the x2000

[dim pulsar]

Did X2000 once appeared in Australia?

[strange quiver]

It'll go in the electric express train tree

[twilit grove]

yeah it got tested back in the 90s i think but nothing came of it

[strange quiver]

Yee, countrylink borrowed one in the 90s

[strange quiver]

Beat me to it 🙂

[twilit grove]

lol

imagine electrified sydney to meblourne or even canberra with x2000s

that would be nice

[dim pulsar]

Would that reduce air traffic?

#openttd-development message

[strange quiver]

idk, but there's a good reason that Qantas and Ansett were staunchly against the VFT

[dim pulsar]

VFT?

Searched for it, 1990s thing.

[strange quiver]

bullet train proposal from the 80s

it was a combined venture of the CSIRO and Comeng, but it never got the funding, so it never went ahead

[dim pulsar]

TGV-Like

Concentrated power

[strange quiver]

yee, it was based on the first generation of TGVs

[dim pulsar]

But yes, I think it is hard for "unpopulous" countries such as Australia to develop a high speed railway network

[strange quiver]

not really?

our main hurdle is the airlines, who don't want to lose their Melbourne-Sydney-Brisbane flight corridor

which is the 1st and 6th busiest in the world iirc?

and most of the reports on HSR here indicate that they'd lose 20-30% of their passengers to it

also most reports indicate a positive cost-benefit ratio, so yeah...

and even the VFT's reports back in the late 80s were the same

[dim pulsar]

Because, for example, the reason why China and Japan pioneer in high-speed railway is their populations are highly dense

Maybe it is my stereotype that "Australia is a whole big countryside"...

[strange quiver]

yeah, and tbf, it is true

but Sydney and Melbourne alone have around 40% of our population, add in Brisbane and other regional cities on the route like the Gold Coast, Newcastle, Central Coast, Canberra, Wagga Wagga etc, and you're well over 60% of Australia's population in a 1200km long line

Australia isn't a dense country, but our population is highly centralised

we're one of the most urbanised countries on the planet after all

[dim pulsar]

In that case, it will be fine.

By the way, I think the place Garry lives is in particular inconvenient for Garry who cannot drive because of very few buses

[strange quiver]

yeah, we just need to stop commissioning god damn report and bloody build it already >:/

[strange quiver]

yeah, iirc he lives in Cardiff, which isn't great

although we're both from Newcastle, and I can personally attest that buses there are horrid

[dim pulsar]

Killingworth

[strange quiver]

oh god

yeah I can see why he might have a complaint with buses then

[dim pulsar]

This is what Japan used to do and what China is doing.
Less complain, more practice

[strange quiver]

yeah, and it's what we need to do

hopefully we end up doing it, because jfc we just need to get it done

[dim pulsar]

But this must accompany with rapid development, or there is nothing to push "practice"

So hard for developed countries

[strange quiver]

yeah, I guess

idk what will push the commonwealth to get on it

there's also the whole states thing. Normally it's NSW who's keen on it, Vic is normally lukewarm on funding it, while QLD is staunchly opposed to foreign trains because they're assholes

[twilit grove]

seriously in the last couple of years they have gotten even shitter

the 48 only comes 6 times a day

train to sydney is nice though if it was faster

[strange quiver]

tbf, it's 7 times :3

[twilit grove]

still it sucks

[strange quiver]

yeah

my old bus home was the 136, and that thing stops at 5 on weekends

so youre night out in Newy ends at 4 if you wanna be home

otherwise the next bus is 9am the next morning >:////

[twilit grove]

where i live it takes an hour plus to get into town by bus which ends at 5

we need more lightrail

[strange quiver]

I'm guessing you're from newy too then?

[twilit grove]

correct

[strange quiver]

yeah, the government looked into it but deemed any expansion in the near future not economically feasible

which, sure, but public transport in the Hunter Valley is shockingly bad

also the urban sprawl

[twilit grove]

are you serious

[strange quiver]

(I'm an urban planning student btw, so I have to study all this)

[twilit grove]

bunch of idiots

[strange quiver]

oh no 😦

there seems to be an odd amount of people in the Openttd community from Newcastle

[twilit grove]

ripped out a perfectly good trainline, replaced it one to one with a lightrail line which goes an extra 20 meters and refuse to expand it

[twilit grove]

ik its funny how many there are

[strange quiver]

yeah, I need to do a proper deep dive on that at some point

I did one a while back and it seems even TFNSW thought it was bullshit

my favourite part was one report that said in academic terms 'why the fuck are you doing this Gladys' in reference to not re-using the corridor for the light rail

[strange quiver]

it also might just be that there's a disproportionate amount of gunzels from newy

Ik on my youtube anything to do with railways in Newcastle does better than Sydney content

[twilit grove]

its a severly underated city

what we need though is light rail to the junction and the beach, and more infill stations/a local train on the sydney line

[strange quiver]

yeah, very much so

also we should restore rail service back to Belmont, Toronto and Cessnock in conjunction with densification and investment into the local bus network

[twilit grove]

definently

i think a really smart idea would be lrt on the fernleigh

[strange quiver]

oh yh

I started looking into it for a video, but a tram-train system for the hunter region would be ideal imo

we don't need the high capacities of Sydney, but we still need a good rail based backbone for the region

[twilit grove]

yeah, id say a good system would branch off along darby street to the junction, then along glebe road all the way to adamstown, past the station and to kotara

then maybe a branch along to belmont and the stadium

[strange quiver]

yeah!

there's actually an old coal line that branches off near Tighes Hill Junction and goes past the Goninan Works that imo we should re-use

it's just a case of elevating it above the road and putting an elevated station out front, and boom, easy stadium rail access

[twilit grove]

exactly

but the government is just too cheap to do anything regarding public transport

[strange quiver]

too cheap, and all the money goes into Sydney

which tbf, makes sense considering it's population growth

but it sucks that we're making all the same mistakes in the Hunter, so all the problems will repeat there

just this time on a flood plain that's worse than the Hawkesbury-Nepean

[twilit grove]

honestly i still cant get over the removal of newcastle station

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'm still not happy about it

and the fact that the new interchange has less capacity and space for growth, it's not great

[twilit grove]

i know, good luck trying to fit extra platforms in the current space

[strange quiver]

yep

although I guess any long term higher or high speed rail proposal wouldn't be able to use either tbh

they'd probably go through Broadmeadow

[twilit grove]

yeah, but it is still shortsighted if they ever want to increase frequencey on any line or add a new one

[strange quiver]

yh, very much so

although the current guys at TFNSW aren't exactly known for smart planning

[twilit grove]

i dont think they have been for a while

[strange quiver]

the old railcorp guys were pretty good imo

but that's because the people at the top rose the same way they always did, starting as cleaners and working up

today TFNSW is run by Europhile trust fund babies

only reason Railcorp/Cityrail failed so much in its final years was because of lack of funding and the NSW ALP being corrupt as fuck or incompetent

[twilit grove]

yep, maybe if they were still around we would have electric freight still running, and actual decent intercity services

[strange quiver]

oh yh, and the good ol' neoliberal privatisation thing

Yeah, the 86 class locos were done so dirty

[twilit grove]

i wish i got to see them in action

[strange quiver]

if PN weren't tight asses, and Railcorp weren't expected to turn a profit they'd still be around

[strange quiver]

tbf, they're technichally not retired

a bunch keep getting re-activated because PN still needs them

if you need to do work on the ESR, TFNSW can't exactly use their 48s

I think it's 8606 and 8649 that have been re-activated?

and I think another is on the way

[twilit grove]

i have seen them around at clyde and chullora, but its not the same as seeing them haul big mixed freight or coal trains 4 at atime

[strange quiver]

true 😦

we must retvrn!

[twilit grove]

srsly

the things i would give to go back in time and experience the railways in its golden age

[strange quiver]

yeah 😦

I just want Comeng back tbh

return to the era of every new train being cool af

[twilit grove]

fr

and also the return of proper freight trains

[strange quiver]

tbf, if anything our freight trains have gotten bigger/larger

never diss my beloved 90 class 😦

[twilit grove]

nah but they have gotten fewer, i really wish i could have seen the darling harbour and rosehill yards during their peak

imagine how busy they would be

[strange quiver]

yeah, it would have been an impressive sight

although atleast a lot of archive footage of them in operation has been preserved

[twilit grove]

yeah i love that

but its just not the same, back when we had a real railway

[strange quiver]

true :/

on another note, I've been working on liveries today

Id love to show pics but apparently discord isnt working >://

there we go

[twilit grove]

those look nice

[strange quiver]

Thanks :3

[frosty sand]

Ooh, new trains!

[strange quiver]

Too many new trains!

[finite mountain]

Will it be only DMU's and railmotors in this pack or will there also be EMU's and locos in the pack as well?

[strange quiver]

Just railmotors and dmus

Emus and passenger cars will come next

This sets wont have locos tho, as its designed to be an add on when playing with other stuff

[strange quiver]

good news, all the suburban DMUs have their liveries done

now onto the inercity roster

[strange quiver]

another batch done

and now it's only these guys left, but I'm tired, so I'm gonna go play fallout instead

[frosty sand]

Woah that’s a lot of trains! Nice going.

[strange quiver]

Thanks!

By the time ive got passenger cars and EMUs in itll be massive

[strange quiver]

it's finally done!

and as a demonstration of my poor self-control, I added the XPT-E

it doesn't have an ID, so if you use it, expect it to break in the next update

I'll post it to Bananas tommorow, as tonight I'm going to search for bugs

but if anyone wants a go now... your feedback is appreciated

[strange quiver]

found one bug, guess who forgot to add the electric tag to the XPT-Es effects? :(((

[mellow loom]

That’s a classic, I had a British Mk3 sleeper coach recently that thought it was a steam train

[strange quiver]

Oh god

At least in terms of bugs, these ones are easy to catch

[untold viper]

Victorian N-type and H-type carriages? 🥺

[strange quiver]

Theyre on the list :3

Ill probably even include the H type cab cars they never built

[untold viper]

Finally I can have real-ish consists
AuzTrains only has NSW carriages

🤤

[strange quiver]

Yeah, I occasionally sent in stuff for a victorian Auztrains set

But I'm just gonna do them for this since I prefer generic ish company colour sets

[strange quiver]

Oh btw, if anyone has any specific passenger cars they want! Lmk

Im doing research to work out what to include

Ive got lots for post 1900, but not many for the 1850-1899 era

[untold viper]

HCMT?

[strange quiver]

Yee! Its already on the EMU list :3

[strange quiver]

God damnit

[untold viper]

Do you have Overland carriages?

[strange quiver]

Of course

Those are surprisingly old

I expected them to be from the 60s or something

But theyre from 1949

[untold viper]

Fuckin hell
They are comfy though

[strange quiver]

Ive heard

I still need to go on it sometime

Their website also has a bug where it lets you book infinite infants with you for free (on the ghan and IP its only 5)

[untold viper]

V/Line has subsidised tickets which you can book for $3.60

[strange quiver]

So I wanna get tickets for a few thousand infants to see what happens

[strange quiver]

Ooooh

Do you need to live in Victoria or something to get them?

[untold viper]

Don't think so
But I did Southern Cross -> Ararat on a VLocity then Ararat -> Southern Cross on the Overland for $3.60 ($7.20 full fare)

[strange quiver]

Ill have to look into it then

I really wanna go to Victoria, just for whatever reason I've never been

[untold viper]

Where are you from?

[strange quiver]

I live in Sydney

I'm originally from Newcastle tho

Like a disproportionate amount of this community for some reason

[untold viper]

You can get the XPT to Albury then V/Locity from Albury to Melbourne which will save you a lot of money
Or just Jetstar lol

[strange quiver]

I could

Might try later this year, since I have friends in Melbourne I can stay with

I just need the money/time off uni

[untold viper]

Our regional trains have a fare cap ($10.60/day, same as metropolitan) so it's awesome for gunzels

[strange quiver]

Yeah!

That guy on twitter is always organising gunzel trips because of it

[untold viper]

As someone with basically zero income it has been one of the best things to ever happen

[strange quiver]

I could imagine

We need it in NSW 😦

Although our non-countrylink trains are still cheap anyway

[dim pulsar]

NSW has "pension discount", according to Garry

[strange quiver]

Ah yh, concessions

[dim pulsar]

This door is disability friendly

[woeful halo]

Good
I will try this out alongwith Iron Horse!

[strange quiver]

Just make sure to send me screenshots :3

[strange quiver]

just got home from filming a video, but it got me thinking how to do the EMUs for GOPS

some Sydney trains back in the day had mixed single/double deck cars, so what I'm thinking of doing is renaming the existing MU cars to 'Single deck MU car'

so that way it'll be the same, but add a new 'double deck MU car'

so for trains like the sputnik, you can use the single deck cars for an all single deck train, but if you use the double deck MU cars instead you'd get something like this

only issue is how would it work with the livery overrides? because I'm guessing I can just add a second one specifying a new car, which should be straightforward

but I'd also have to work out how to integrate it with the existing EMU code

I have youtube/uni stuff to work on in the meantime, but I might set up an experiment to see how it works later this week

if anyone has any opinion or tips for doing this, lmk, because it might be more complex than I think

[mint cargo]

I think would be interesting have the two options of MU cars, as if you play in early days, you could just use existing EMUs and them retroffiting if double deck coachs, and could be two different MU Double Deck, let´s say one for early EMUs up 1970s? and other for today EMUs. Other idea i have could be for use if loco-hauled consist maybe?

[untold viper]

Yeah I love being able to pick and choose my lengths and specific makeups of my consists

[strange quiver]

your latter idea is what I was just thinking on the way home from the shops

I plan on including a few double deck coaches as part of the loco hauled roster, so I might just make it so you can add them into some of the suburban EMUs instead of the normal MU trailer

[strange quiver]

e.g. you can put the MU trailer in, and it acts like a normal single deck EMU, or you can wack a tulloch trailer in, and you can do this

code wise it'd be a lot simpler

[valid scroll]

the parameters for changing running costs don't seem to work atm

[strange quiver]

I'll take a look then

They seemed to work when I tested them

[valid scroll]

fyi, the parameter works in the subway set

[strange quiver]

yeah... that seems to be the case

I wonder why it's broken, because it's the same code in GNARTS

holy fuck I'm stupid

no wonder it bloody doesn't work

I forgot to specify it should apply to diesels in the code

which is why it works on the electric trains in the set

it's an incredibly easy fix, but I'll have to save it for later today since I have class

[earnest meadow]

someone should make a YouTube channel about these 💀💀💀

[strange quiver]

I gotta include references to cool people :3

[lone minnow]

Is this set focused on any set country or train type? Because i have 2 trains that i think would be cool to sure but they are pretty crazy and not too sure if they would really fit in lol

[strange quiver]

Not really? I plan on making a set focusing on most countries/regions at some point

[lone minnow]

Ah

[strange quiver]

What trains are you wanting?

I can probably make something small if you want

[lone minnow]

The Seattle Monorail and ACE 3000

And well

the ACE 3000 is the exact opposite of small

Also, this set looks really interesting. Gotta check this out when i wake up tomorrow ( It's 2AM rn )

[strange quiver]

I could probably do them

[lone minnow]

Oh nice

[strange quiver]

The ACE 3000 will probably go in a loco pack at some point, but the seattle monorail could easily go into GNARTS

[lone minnow]

Surprised NARS doesnt have the ACE due to it being American

[lone minnow]

certainly

[strange quiver]

I might whip something up in the coming days and post it here

Both are pretty easy to draw anyway

[lone minnow]

Nice

Also, not too sure if you know this or not, but the ACE is actually a steam train ( Just letting you know just so you don't forget the smoke lol )

it certainly doesn't look like one lol

[strange quiver]

Yee, I know

[lone minnow]

Ah nice

[strange quiver]

Its a pretty easy code change to convert it anyway

[lone minnow]

Ah alr

Didnt expect it to be really easy tbh

[strange quiver]

Nah, they're pretty boxy which makes them easy

[lone minnow]

Ah

I'm assuming boxy vehicles are just easy to make in general

[strange quiver]

Yeah, at least for me

[strange quiver]

that's one done then :3

might do the monorail after class if I can get one of my assignments done

[lone minnow]

Very nice looking

[strange quiver]

thanks, it'll look better with a few liveries

[lone minnow]

would download the mod but i don't have my pc rn

[lone minnow]

yep

[strange quiver]

all good

[lone minnow]

yea lol

[strange quiver]

when it's done I'll post it to Bananas probably

as a 'misc pack' of stuff that's cool, but I don't have any larger sets to put them in atm

[lone minnow]

Yeah that makes sense

Surprised that one NARS extended set never added the ACE tbh

forgot the actual name of it

[strange quiver]

NARS add-on

tbh, they probably planned it, just never got around to it

[lone minnow]

Yeah that one

maybe

[strange quiver]

got around to doing the monorail, I just need to do liveries

but that'll have to be for another time because I'm pretty tired

here's the GRF if you want to play with it

it has both the ACE 3000 and seattle monorail in it, I'll finalise the pack later this week

[dim pulsar]

Is it programmed as trains?

[strange quiver]

wdym?

[dim pulsar]

I mean there are GRFs having monorails coded as trams

[strange quiver]

oh, yh, it's coded as a train

also, doing the seattle monorail was quite fun, so I might actually do a full monorail set at some point...

[dim pulsar]

That's good

[strange quiver]

iirc the only decent monorail set we have rn is the 'a new monorail set' which is a few years old now and not super expansive

[dim pulsar]

By the way, I think there is no monorail IRL capable of speed as in the game

Then I don't know why Chris Sawyer chose monorail as an upgraded version of conventional rails (and predecessor of maglev)
Maybe monorail was a hot topic in 90s...

[strange quiver]

yeah, not really iirc

they'd be too unstable, and monorails aren't really suited to longer distance traffic which would justify higher speeds anyway

[strange quiver]

no idea tbh, maglev I can get, monorail, nah

[lone minnow]

looking good! Also, what track set is that?

[strange quiver]

Ufibys track set and bridge set

[lone minnow]

Thanks

they look nice

[strange quiver]

Nw

[strange quiver]

got the liveries done :3

[lone minnow]

looking good

Love that second monorail one. Gives off heavy retro futuristic vibes

( That's why i suggested those 2 vehicles btw lol, because we have little retrofuturistic looking vehicles )

[strange quiver]

true...

I guess I'll add them to the fallout train set I've got on my to do list then...

on another note, I've gotten a fair bit of work done on the EMUs for GOPS

I also have a transperth C series done, I just havent coded it in yet :3

[lone minnow]

fallout train set?

[mint cargo]

A Retro Future or Alternate Historu Train Set would be a nice thing.

[strange quiver]

It's only something I've looked into

but whenever I spot something cool, I add it to the roster

it'll most likely be heavily based on Fallout, but less specifically it'll be retrofuturistic, so lots of chrome and nucler power and the like

I'll probably won't get to it for a long while though, since it'll need lots of fictional designs, since the games don't have many in them

[lone minnow]

fair enough

[mint cargo]

@strange quiver i have some concept arts and fantasy stuff photos that maybe be interesting for a Retro/Alternate stuff. Some streamliner designs, broad gauge, alternate electric and diesel engines concepts. Interesting i could DM them for you.

[lone minnow]

I would say you could do the aerotrain, but that's already in NARS so no need

[mint cargo]

Some real-life stuff could be the PRR S1, New Haven Comet and M1 Coal Turbine from C&O

[lone minnow]

Although they could add the...aerotrain ( the other one )

[mint cargo]

And the New York Central M497 too

[lone minnow]

ye

[strange quiver]

Ooooh, I'd be very interested

[strange quiver]

Doesn't mean I cant do my own version ;3

[strange quiver]

Oooh, yes

[lone minnow]

true

[strange quiver]

Of course

But itll have to be nuclear powered or something dumb

[lone minnow]

Another good idea would be the bennie railplane or the Schienenzeppelin

Ikr there's NRT tram tracks for Suspended monorails

[strange quiver]

Ill have to look into them

[lone minnow]

alr

[strange quiver]

Ik fallout 4 has a suspended monorail, but idk if I'll include them

I only really wanna do train types tbh

[lone minnow]

That's fair enough

Not really how easy it is to use NRT

[strange quiver]

It wouldnt be difficult, I'd guess itd just be specifying a different track/road type

Same as with train sets

I might just save doing suspended monorails for a separate set

[vestal minnow]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_sled

Any interest in making rocket sleds?

[strange quiver]

Maybe as a meme set

I dont really have anything to put it in atm

[mint cargo]

I always imagine the M497 as a Fallout universe high speed train, but be a full set instead on only a railcar. Articulated design and powered by Fusion Nuclear at 300 kph...

[mint cargo]

i will separate some stuff and send later for you

[strange quiver]

Thats kinda what I was thinking tbh

[dim pulsar]

Good morning, I think Australia is turning to its winter. When I saw Garry's forum posts in March, he was saying "must be losing weight as hitching up pants so often", and I thought for a while, wearing pants in March? And I suddenly figured out, it is just a different semi-sphere 😂

[strange quiver]

Northern hemisphere moment

Forgetting our seasons are inverted :3

[mellow loom]

To be fair there are parts of the northern hemisphere (hi from the UK) where it's long-pants weather almost all year round 😂

[untold viper]

Currently enjoying the cold over here

So fucking happy that summer is gone

[lone minnow]

I'm Floridian, what is "Winter"?

[dim pulsar]

snow, down coats

[lone minnow]

ah

sounds cool

[strange quiver]

Not always, at least not where I live 🙂

[strange quiver]

Im so happy to be able to put my AC into storage

I want my floor space back

[twilit grove]

Nah summers the best

Long days, good surf and perfect weather

[mellow loom]

Summer in the UK just means the rain gets less cold

[woeful halo]

Ah yes

[strange quiver]

Yh, but I hate cooking constantly 😦

[twilit grove]

Fair enough

[dim pulsar]

“No” for India where the temperature can be 45 degrees

[woeful halo]

It's 42 here

Literally feels like melting

Though Southern China has similar temperature at times

[dim pulsar]

42 in April?

Southern China at the same time could reach at most 30-35

[strange quiver]

I have created something so stupid

yet perfect

what do you get when you combine an F40ph, an AEM-7 and a rake of Superliners? a stupidly tall wall made of stainless steel that moves at 160kph

I need more cursed ideas like this

[lone minnow]

Kind of reminds me of those massive German WW2 concept trains ( Breitspurbahn )

despite it being cursed i actually, kind of dig it?

it's certainly unique

[finite mountain]

How about this?

[glossy compass]

Make it tilt in the corners

[strange quiver]

I was thinking that while drawing tbh

[strange quiver]

Oooh, I'll have to do that sometime...

[strange quiver]

Thats even more cursed

[vestal minnow]

Was this an actual concept at some point?

[finite mountain]

Well, the EMD GF6C is an actually real locomotive. This is what it looks like btw

However, I'm not sure if the concept image I posted was an actual real concept or not

[strange quiver]

Im pretty sure it is

I've seen it before, and it has the right style

And if a gunzel did it, they'd put it in an actual livery

[mint cargo]

that are the actual concept from EMD in 70s, there's even a dual cab version plan for Mexico. The original concept would be a nice add since the BC Rail version already have in NARS.

Would you like cursed electric engines, presently the 1966 EMD Proposal for Pennsylvania Class DDR, 6,700 hp

[strange quiver]

Ooooooh

When I do a loco pack, thats going in

[mint cargo]

Take a look in that material i send to you for inspiration, there´s other cursed engines too.

[strange quiver]

Yee, I have

Theres some cool stuff in there

[vestal minnow]

https://www.railpictures.ca/upload/in-september-1996-via-rail-had-launched-the-testing-of-two-ic3-flexliner-demonstrator-sets-on-some-of-their-routes-throughout-ontario-these-new-units-were-designed-and-built-by-adtranz-which-was-a

This would be an interesting trainset for a Canadian alternate history set

[strange quiver]

Oooooh

It would

Ill add it to the list

If anyone does have any imported or fictional designs for a north american set lmk because there are so many gaps in the EMU/DMU roster!

[twilit grove]

whens the auz freight set coming?

[strange quiver]

Not for a while tbh

[twilit grove]

aww

[strange quiver]

Its a large project, and I'll need the motivation for it

But I might do sooner, idk

[lone minnow]

There was one time an ICE crossed America

could maybe make an Americanized version of it where the plans actually went through to use it

can't really think of any older American EMU's

and even less DMUS

[frosty sand]

The X2000 came to America too

Don’t tell anyone but I wish we got that instead of the TGV-based Acela 😛

[mellow loom]

The X2000 always feels like a baby TGV to me anyway

[dim pulsar]

I think X2 would fit more, since tilt trains can go faster on low-standard lines

Which is the reality of america without dedicated very-high-speed rails

[frosty sand]

The Acela tilts

[dim pulsar]

Oh...

[frosty sand]

Cars only, not locos

Except on Metro-North tracks, where clearances are too narrow to tilt without possibly sideswiping other trains 😛

[finite mountain]

Maybe you can make the Amtrak AmericanFlyer aka Acela concept train

[valid scroll]

Canada randomly had some ex-TEE trainsets for a couple of years

[vestal minnow]

https://cohost.org/VancouverTransit/post/134311-british-rail-and-its

We also had these during expo 86

For demonstration purposes

[valid scroll]

Toronto had these in commuter service for a bit

Montreal had EMUs from the 50's until a couple of years ago

[lone minnow]

Oh nice

[lone minnow]

I also feel like it's design is just a bit more unique

Or hell since some of these trains are fictional i think maybe Ragin could do a combo of them

[glossy compass]

Cursed

[mint cargo]

For a fantasy DMU, how about this for some sort of modern high speed railcar

And this "Amtrak" HST like maybe for a fantasy NA set

[strange quiver]

Yee! That ones already on the list :3

[strange quiver]

Thats basically the same as an acela, so it'll be integrated with it tbh

[lone minnow]

ah nice

[strange quiver]

I might add that to my list

[mint cargo]

For a more early designs, i have been think about this one. The Propose for conversion of mostly Los Angeles Pacific Electric Rwy into a full subway system. I imagine have this design as some sort of "modern interurban", for a alternate history here interurbans are modernized to commuter/subways

[strange quiver]

I could also add that one, I do want a full line of high speed trains for it

[strange quiver]

Oooooh, that can go into GNARTs

[mint cargo]

I have some fantasy designs, not necessary NA, but could fit. Share some ones

[strange quiver]

Ive got an interurban roster planned for that

[strange quiver]

Feel free, I love seeing them

[mint cargo]

They are from here: http://www.railfaneurope.net/liveries/index.html

This have make me think about a americanized version of BR Class 158.

[strange quiver]

Oooh, I'll add some to my list as future items

[strange quiver]

Cursed

[mint cargo]

More cursed is better...

A Interesting topic to see, is what type of stock the interurbans would use today have they are mantain. This could be what a modern american interurban car look´s like...

[strange quiver]

Oooh

Tbh my plan for the interurban line is that it shifts into modern light rail vehicles over time

But that might make a good option for a future vehicle...

[mint cargo]

This remind me of this prototype car, the FRA SOAC (State of Art Car) from 1970s, to test new tech from the at time new BART system, to older systems as NYC, Chicago and Philadelphia. https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/SOAC:_State_of_the_Art_Cars

SOAC Subway Car

[strange quiver]

Thats on the list too!

Ive got a roster which is advanced cars like that

So BART, MARTA, PATCO, the SOAC etc, I just need to draw it

[mint cargo]

That give me a idea, how about make a fictional version but for mainline commuter. Imagine a regional passenger gás turbine higher speed train inspired on BART fleet...

[finite mountain]

Oh yeah. Those were part of the old Northlander service for the Ontario Northland

They would retire the sets in 1992

[strange quiver]

well...

Comeng actually designed something akin to that for WAGR in Perth

I didn't include it in the GOPS DMU roster first time around, but I'm gonna add it at some point

so something similar based on a BART car would be viable...

[frosty sand]

We still have interurbans

Norristown High Speed Line in Philly

Chicago South Shore & South Bend is also an interurban

[strange quiver]

Yee

The nortistown high speed line is weird, because idk where to include it

I generally dont like having one offs in the set

If I introduce something to the player, there should be a replacement

And idk if there's enough for a third rail interurban roster

[dim pulsar]

Is "high speed" high speed? i.e. is its max speed >= 200 km/h?

[mint cargo]

When reality is more strange than fiction. Never imagine that something like that are planned.

[earnest meadow]

this is basically an articulated light rail vehicle

which we have

i imagine the LACMTA A line being the closest to an modern interurban system

[earnest meadow]

i'd imagine them more similar to Keisei rolling stock, actually

[vestal minnow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Coradia_LINT

These trains were trialed in Quebec last year and I think considered for transit elsewhere in Canada at some point (don't quote me on this)

[strange quiver]

Oh fair

Ive already got them on my list since iirc I saw something about that

[finite mountain]

Don't forget, they are also used on the Ottawa O-Train Trillium Line

[mellow loom]

Kinda trippy seeing an Arriva livery on a non-British unit, especially something that looks pretty modern like that... I've only ever seen it on old UK Sprinters etc, nothing newer than a Class 175 I can think of

[vestal minnow]

https://globalnews.ca/news/10458312/alberta-passenger-rail-master-plan/

This would be interesting to follow

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but with plans like that, it takes a while before we see a train design

[vestal minnow]

Definitely

No plans yet, they are just starting the study

[strange quiver]

Yeah, so we'll see what they do

[strange quiver]

Oh btw, I've been fairly burnt out on drawing as of late, and I've been focusing on uni/youtube stuff

So thats why I havent posted/drawn much as of recent, but I'll do more in the coming weeks

[mellow loom]

I find I draw in bursts, I'll go crazy for like a month or two and then do nothing for a year 😂

Eg 2022 and this year so far haha

[strange quiver]

Im fairly similar, although for me it comes in bursts from month to month

I also do a lot that requires creative energy which burns me out faster so aaa

[dim pulsar]

I am worse, always have a huge plan, initialise the project, and abandon it 😄

I should appreciate other team members (colleagues?) pushing me :3

[strange quiver]

Im also guilty of that 😦

Dont look at my google drive full of grf ideas

[mellow loom]

Yeah I find planning too much means I don’t actually do anything cause I’ve done the challenging part already of figuring it out. Better to just crack on sometimes

[jovial bough]

One railway imported sncf engines too iirc

(Im from quebec)

Like a dmu

Kept the buffers aswell

[vestal minnow]

Where in Quebec is this?

[strange quiver]

Oooh, do you know what type of DMU that is?

[jovial bough]

it travels between these

its a scenic one

[polar sparrow]

I feel you. I maintain several Google Sheets of idea projects chock full of stats. I even have one for monorails, but it's not well organized.

I'd love to see a generic monorail set that replaces A New Monorail Set with some better graphics and specs.

[valid scroll]

they're ex-DB class 628.1

[untold viper]

Where are the N-type carriages

[strange quiver]

Yeah, I'll do it eventually, I'm just lazy

[strange quiver]

Ooh perfect

[strange quiver]

Undrawn, too much uni work 😦

[untold viper]

Shaking and crying rn

[strange quiver]

Blame my current assignment

And 8pm and I'm in the library looking for a specific book on urbanism 😦

[polar sparrow]

whats the book?

[strange quiver]

Everyday urbanism

Im writing a paper of Jan Gehls urban philosophy and I'm trying to find alternative views to new urbanism

Theres so much cool stuff in here like this, I just cant find what I need 😦

[woeful halo]

Architecture student hmm

[strange quiver]

Nah, I'm an urban planning student :3

[woeful halo]

The same thing more or less

[dim pulsar]

8 PM? still early.

Nothing written in PM is considered late.

[strange quiver]

Kinda?

The difference is hard to explain, and I've spent too much of tonight reading/writing 😦

[strange quiver]

I would have stayed in the library for longer but it closed at 9 😦

[dim pulsar]

That sucks

The library here closes at 10 during holidays, 12 during early semester, and 2 during finals

And you won't find much vacancies even late night

[strange quiver]

It might be open later when exam season comes around

But it doesn't matter too much, since most of it is online anyway

[vestal minnow]

My university library closed at 8, midnight during exams

Although it may be a pandemic related staffing shortage

This was 2021-22

[strange quiver]

It very much could be tbh

[vestal minnow]

I graduated since then so I'm not sure about nowadays

[valid scroll]

library at my first uni was open 24hrs during exams I think? second uni had one that was open until 3

[strange quiver]

ah fair

[strange quiver]

maybe just my uni is a bit weird

[mellow loom]

Lancaster Uni in my day used to close around midnight all year round, although that was over a decade ago now

Christ, I left 12 years ago, that feels weird to say - feels like yesterday, but I've been a graduate 3x as long as I was a student

[strange quiver]

Im not looking forward to when I'm in the same boat 😦

Also, random question

But has anyone got anything they want drawn?

I wanna draw some more sprites but cbf to work on GOPs

[mellow loom]

How are your kettles?

And what scale is this set again?

[strange quiver]

I dont really do steam locomotives tbh

[mellow loom]

Ah shame, if you drew a Merchant Navy at the same set as BRTrains and Iron Horse so I can repaint it for BRTrains then we'd be friends forever 😂

[strange quiver]

All my stuff is the same scale as NARS and Iron horse

[strange quiver]

Ah fair, I need to learn someday, but today I'm too lazy 😦

[mellow loom]

Maybe a GWR railcar?

[strange quiver]

if you can get me pics, I'll give it a go

[mellow loom]

Actually maybe the LMS articulated one is more fun?

That's the GWR one

[strange quiver]

I might give both a go tbh

we'll see how I feel

to start I'm gonna work on some Budd Metropolitan/Cosmopolitans

[strange quiver]

two goofy goobers done

now I'll give that LMS railcar a go

[frosty sand]

Ooh, if you’re doing Metro-North can I request an FL9 and Bomber set? (Bombardier push-pull coaches with cab car)

[strange quiver]

I probably could

Which bombardier cars are they btw?

Because theres a few

Also I drew the weird Budd emu thing I found a while back

the logo on the side is Illinois Central, and the date is 1965, so I put it in the same liveries that the Highliners wore irl, and the Sourth Shore line one

so it's a generic suburban Chicagoland EMU

[frosty sand]

Metro-North calls them Shoreliners but they’re similar to NJT Comets: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoreliner

[strange quiver]

ooooh, I can do those

I'll probably just call them 'comets' or something and have the NJT, ConnDOT and MTA liveries all in one, since that simplifies things for when I do GNARPS

I might also do EMU versions just for fun :3

also partially because holly hell there are so few electric units for a north american set when compared to countries like Australia

[frosty sand]

Comet seems like the most suitable name

Also Amtrak Horizon cars are very similar, as are some MBTA coaches

[strange quiver]

Oooh, yh

I can also do those guys

Ill do the horizons as a separate car tho, since they'll need to be balanced differently

[strange quiver]

okay so I sat down to look at my GNAPS plan, and doing the coments might be a bit more complex since I want all the variations between the 1, 3, 4 and 5 models...

I might do that LMS coach first...

[strange quiver]

also I'll need to do those MBTA MBB coaches too, since they're cool

looking at my coach list for GNAPS just makes me want to draw 😦

I might prioritise that over the next GOPS update tbh

I wanna do all those goofy Budd-Comeng designs

although at the same time there's still gaps in the roster that I wanna do more research on to see if I can fill with unbuilt designs

so if anyone has access to Budd, Pullman Standard, or St. Louis car drawings, lmk because I need a resource like that and the only one I can find is the RR Museum of Pennsylvania

also I need info on pre-1920 passenger coaches, since I have very little info on them too

if anyone has any suggestions, here's my current plan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T-2gMkOa8LwOPkOZA4G8iJuU4BF49ZbfiN0j6YyzVVs/edit?usp=sharing

[strange quiver]

here's the latest version with all the stuff btw

and the LMS railcar that @mellow loom asked for :3

[mellow loom]

Nice, you've done a decent job with the cab I think considering how few pixels you have to work with there!

[strange quiver]

Thanks

I basically just nicked the cab off one of the trains in GOPs and modified it so it wasnt too hard

[polar sparrow]

You'll have to do some digging on Internet Archive, but I believe a lot of the annual sales books from Pullman are archived there. I found them when I was doing my research for 2CC Trams several years ago.

[polar sparrow]

This may be of interest: https://archive.org/details/centuryofpullman0000barg/mode/2up

https://dp.la/search?q=pullman+cars

https://pullman-museum.org/pshs/pshsGetCollection.php?recordStart=1&collection=TENNECO

https://images.indianahistory.org/digital/collection/dc012/search/searchterm/Trains--Pullman cars./field/subjec/mode/exact/conn/and

http://www.pullmanproject.com/

[lone minnow]

I don't think there's an older BART in this modpack yet

could be cool

[strange quiver]

Oooh, I'll have a look when I'm home tonight

[strange quiver]

Theres not! But I should actually do that!

[lone minnow]

nice

[polar sparrow]

Misc. St. Louis Car Co photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/wustl_archives/albums/72157604060019155/

[earnest meadow]

it exists in a related set, the Great Societies Metros

[lone minnow]

haven't heard of that set yet. I might have to check it out

[earnest meadow]

you can get the BART cars individually

#developer-updates message

[strange quiver]

it's only IRL colours though!

I will do 2cc versions for GNARTS at some point

[strange quiver]

oooh, that one I already found, but it's a fascinating look

[vestal minnow]

https://corpo.viarail.ca/en/projects-infrastructure/train-fleet/corridor-fleet

Would it also be possible to add the new Siemens venture trainsets?

[mint cargo]

@strange quiver, i have some sugestions of multiple units that are built for Brazil by Budd and Hitachi. Begin, this is the São Paulo to Jundiai Railway Budd Series 101, enter in operation in 57. 23 units are built, and they usually operation in formation of six cars. This site have the layout of consist cars too.

And the second one, is this EMU of Hitachi built for Porto Alegre Rapid Transit in 1985. They are in formation of four cars and 25 units are built. They are name Trensurb Series 100. Still in operation today.

If you need any more information of photos of both units for help you make i can share you.

[strange quiver]

I plan to!

If I didnt I think one of my friends would kill me

[strange quiver]

Ooooh, both are actually on the list for a south american set I have planned, so I'll do both at some point

I might actually write that roster today tbh

[mint cargo]

I Can help you if some EMUs as well engines and railcars from here, we have very diverse stocks, from US style diesel freight today, Germany Export early Electric and Steamers, English built diesel multiple units and railcars as well some Little Joes that came for Paulista / São Paulo FEPASA Railway as well.

[mint cargo]

I as imagine you could make a South America narrow gauge in similar line to one of Iron Horse. As could be for narrow electric units, like this one built by GE of Brazil in middle 60s. This is a 1,00mm GE EFS Series 2100 built between 64 to 68. There´s a broad gauge 1,60m variant too, but not articulated.

[strange quiver]

I'll let you know because I'll have to work out how to do it

I might do it all as just 'standard' gauge similar to how I've done GOPS because thats just easier

But if theres a lot of stuff, I might do a narrow gauge roster in it too

[strange quiver]

oh btw, I did some gallery cars. I'm splitting them into Budd and Pullman designs, which is why some liveries (like C&NW aren't there)

turns out the code for driving trailers is pretty simple, so I was able to work it out myself.

I'm gonna do them more like iron horse, and less like NAPR though. So when the train reverses it won't swap the locomotive

[strange quiver]

Decided to do the comet 1s today

And theres like 10 liveries >:///

I was close! Theres 11 for the comet 1&2s

[finite mountain]

Maybe you can do the Multilevels next

[strange quiver]

I probably could, but I'll focus on the comets first

[strange quiver]

too many liveries 😦

Ik MARC didn't operate any, but Rapido trains sold a livery of one so I've included it anyway

they look really good in the actual colours

[strange quiver]

I increased the size of the CC stripe on the MBTA car and it made the purple a lot more visible

[twilit grove]

small looking tangara

[terse sandal]

Have you checked them out in NAPR?

[finite mountain]

Yeah but those are only available in the NJ Transit scheme

[mint cargo]

Now that i give a look, have some similarities the front view

[strange quiver]

oh btw, between assignments today I decided to do the P54s and MP54s

which tbh, I'm really happy with how they turned out

[frosty sand]

Nice!

[strange quiver]

Thanks!

Im gonna give some double deckers a go tomorrow

[vestal minnow]

Can you also add the bilevel? Used for various commuter services such as west coast express or go trains

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_Express

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_BiLevel_Coach

Would love to see more operators represented in openttd

[strange quiver]

I really wanna do them at some point

I just need to be in the right mood

[strange quiver]

So I'm sitting down to work on the GNAPS roster, so I asked ChatGPT for some potential names

And it gave me 'commuteMaster' which is so stupid I love it

Thats gonna be what the Budd/Comeng double deck DMU thing is called in the set

Also if anyone has any name or train idea suggestions lmk because they're helpful

Also I did a DMU version of the Metro/Cosmopolitan cars, because I thought it would be cool

[polar sparrow]

Cosmoliner has a nice ring to it

[strange quiver]

Ooooh, I'll have to use that somewhere

[dim pulsar]

Using loco-wagon instead of multiple units for commuters?

Oh, pushpull

[strange quiver]

any chance that anyone knows any good sources on the development of the Bombardier Multi-level?

Because I'm working on them atm, and I'm trying to work out if Comeng had any involvement

because they look very similar to the Kawasaki 1990 cars for the MBTA, which I know for a fact are based on Comeng designs, and the Multi-levels are similar enough to make me think they're based on them

also for anyone curious, here's a 1987 drawing of a Comeng double decker for the MBTA :3

Kawasaki ended up winning the contract in 1989, but the final cars they built are near identical to Comeng's proposal

and a fair few Comeng engineers were advising Kawasaki in the late 80s as they had to work together on the C3 cars for the LIRR (also based on Comeng designs)

hang on

[strange quiver]

Bombardier introduced the Multi-level in 2006, but they bought out Comeng Dandenong in 2000

it was mostly granville that did the LIRR and MBTA stuff, but... Dandenong would have had the rights to the designs most likely

[strange quiver]

Did the multi-levels btw :3

[finite mountain]

Which paint scheme is this based on?

[strange quiver]

The Cimrail one that Bsquicklehausen uses on his multilevels for cities skylines :3

So its a fictional one

[woeful halo]

How do you draw sprites this fast?

It legit takes me way too much time

[strange quiver]

I draw them once in cc1 with all the shading and details

I then copy it as a layer and recolour it to anything else I need (e.g. silver, grey, cc2, orange etc)

[finite mountain]

Also, do you plan on making the ALP-45 at some point? None of the other North American train packs have it

[strange quiver]

I then layer it on top and erase the parts I that should have the other colour

Its why once I've done a single sprite, I can do hundreds of liveries in no time

[strange quiver]

I do! It'll go into my north american locomotive pack

I might just add it to my misc pack for the time being tho

[strange quiver]

I have to go to bed now, but in the morning I can show you how I lay out my work flow and the like

Its pretty straightforward tbh

[woeful halo]

It took me half a day to finish one single livery of a locomotive

[strange quiver]

Well, its a good excuse to try my method then :3

[strange quiver]

Doing all these was maybe an hour or two of work for me? Including coding so yh

[strange quiver]

Also, you should show me :3 (I like seeing peoples work)

[woeful halo]

Sure if you want to

[strange quiver]

Ooooh, is that an indian loco?

[woeful halo]

Questionable shading techniques but okish

Yes

[strange quiver]

Neat :3

Ill message you in the morning and Ill show you how I do my thing

[woeful halo]

It has a small hood , which caused me the most pain

[strange quiver]

I really wanna see an indian set at some point

[strange quiver]

Theyre not too difficult once you get used to drawing them

[woeful halo]

true

At least India never used sharknoses

those are notoriously difficult to draw

[vestal minnow]

Yes push pull trains

The last car can be used as another cab to control the train

[frosty sand]

The MBTA bilevels are taller than NJT multilevels and don't have the quarter-point high-level doors. They came in three orders from Kawasaki and two from Hyundai-Rotem, in all the same dimensions but updated tech over the years. There's an excellent MBTA roster here: http://roster.transithistory.org/

Fun fact, the MBTA 900 series bilevels suffered a lot of yard derailments when they first arrived. It turns out that the trucks were too stiff -- they need to pass a test where you put the truck on a drop table and lower one wheel several inches. The wheel on the opposite corner of the truck (L1 to R2, for example) needs to maintain a certain weight load. When they tried this on the 900 series car, the wheel lifted off the rail entirely!

[terse sandal]

Wanna see some? ;)

[terse sandal]

legend stuff

It's also a big pity I drew them and I can't use them because they're freight-only

[strange quiver]

I'm gonna die when I have to do those 😦

[strange quiver]

oooh, I'll have to have a look at that

at some point I need to do the MBB coaches too

[strange quiver]

that sounds like an issue tbh...

also, I'm gonna put that tutorial on how my drawing process works in here, since a lot of people might find it useful

So, for my sprites, I generally start with a few things. The Dos Pallette, my reference sheet, roof sheet and pantograph sheet (if need be). I need to update them, but in general, if I'm starting a loco or something, I'll look here if I need to do a cab, grab a specific roof, or swap out a pallette

then I boot my template and save it as whatever I want, drawing everything on the same template means I can just re-use the same code pretty easily

When I start drawing, I draw it only in CC1, and when I'm done the sprite looks something like this. This is with the roof and lights layered on top btw

I keep the roof as a separate layer because it often doesn't need to be re-coloured, and it makes it a lot easier to copy it to another sprite in future if need be. It also means I have a good reference for where the side of the car ends

When I want to do liveries, I first look at what I want to do, and get a list of colours I'll need

I'll use a NJT Multi-level as an example. So for this I'll need CC1 for the purple, CC2 for the red, an Orange layer, and a Silver layer

I'll then copy my original CC1 layer and paste create new layer copies based on it named with the colours I'll need, like this

Now I find the darkest CC1 pixel on the sprite and use the 'select by colour' tool (I use gimp, so it might be called something different in your program). So here it's selected all the pixels of the same colour, which are the darkest CC1 colour

next, I go to my reference sheet as mentioned before, and find this section. It has a bunch of different colours aligned in 8 colour pallettes

the reason I've done this is because the company colours all have 8 colours each, so each one has a corresponding colour in silver, black, white, yellow, orange, brown etc

[strange quiver]

So then I find the colour I selected here

In this case it's the 2nd darkest blue on the CC1 pallette, so I then pick the colour I want for the sprite based on that

In this case, I'm putting it in CC2, so I'll pick the CC2 green next to it

I then go back to my sprite and with the CC2 green and use the bucket tool in 'fill whole selection mode' and click on the colours I selected earlier, which it then makes the correct green

[strange quiver]

Repeat this for the entire pallette, and for all the colour you want, and you'll have a selection of layers arranged like this

Next step is to copy the layer that you'll use as your 'base'. So the colour that will take up the majority of the sprite. In this case, the majority of the NJT cars are silver, so we'll copy the silver layer and paste it as such

Then we take which detail we want to start first, and copy that layer. In this case we'll do the purple stripe, which we're doing in CC1. So we'll copy that layer and paste it underneath like this.

Then, we select the upper layer, and use the erase tool to erase the pixels that represent are blue stripe, like this.

bloody upload you shit >:/

Then you simply merge the upper layer on top of the bottom layer to combine them. In this case by selecting the silver layer and pressing 'merge down'. After which it should look something like this

So now they're both one layer, so you can just repeat what we did before for the CC2 and Orange sections, and when you're done you'll have something like this

At which point you're pretty much done

the advantage of this method is that once you practice it, it takes no times to do highly detailed sprites

[strange quiver]

since all the detailing is on the base layer, when you re-colour it, all the new layers have it too

so when you add the livery bits like stripes and stuff, it carries over to them too

so with this method you can do complex liveries, like this in less than 20 minutes

You even have the original layers as a fall back, so if you make a mistake, you can just repeat the same erasing process to undo it

[strange quiver]

So yeah, only requirement now that you've followed my tutorial is to show me your sprites >:3333 (I love seeing other peoples work)

[frosty sand]

That’s a great tutorial! Would love to see it on the wiki so it doesn’t get lost here forever 🙂

[dim pulsar]

Yes, splitting to different layers is something I didn't thought of but pretty useful

[strange quiver]

I'll have to do that at some point then :3

I never put anything on a wiki before so it might be a bit of a struggle to work out

[strange quiver]

yee, legit as soon as I started doing it my workflow improved massively

if anything, the main benefit is that I can do any livery that anyone requests really quickly (it's why I'm always open to livery suggestions)

[woeful halo]

sure :0

[strange quiver]

Did some more sprites :3

This time the Budd-Comeng double deck design from 1974. None were built, but I like showing off cool unbuilt designs :3

Here's the drawing I worked off for those curious

[strange quiver]

also, livery suggestions are very much appreciated when it comes to stuff like this (I'm lazy, so you asking makes me want to do it)

[lone minnow]

Not too sure how this could be done, but some versions with graffiti would be cool

probably just colored decals or something lol

[strange quiver]

It would be a cool idea, but if I dd it for one, it'd be justified to do it for all

And thatd be a lot of work imo

[lone minnow]

That's true

[strange quiver]

Yeee...

[lone minnow]

maybe just versions with a stripe in between the windows and above both sets of windows

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/warehouse/v1.0/content/public/1f6d43be-b937-47c2-9b9d-36a590e90c86

Perhaps something like this this too?

If the railcar was never made might as well make some wacky liveries lol

Ooh found a good one