battlefield-2042

[trim nexus]

Like if you actually hate ea and dice

[hard jay]

I think we should relax

[trim nexus]

Don’t come to these communities then

It’s not rocket science

[tame crow]

you guys are in here getting gassed up over EA talkin. someone has to remind you folks of reality.

[hard jay]

Not a good argument

[fervent rose]

they never said they were putting in murder holes though, just a vague "calibre based destruction"

[trim nexus]

talking about new features
ERM ITS GOING TO BE BAD

that’s not productive

[fervent rose]

bf with siege holes would be so annoying

[civic mason]

I understand being realistic but I also don't see how being overly negative about the news helps either, I didn't feel like just constantly being so miserable that I struggle to wanna stay alive. Cautious optimism is the most effective mood to have, I feel

[quiet shell]

If it works like siege then the calibers are putting different sized holes through material that can be seen through

[hard jay]

Yeah can we leave destruction to explosives please

[tame crow]

I love EA. I love Dice. 2042 had no bugs and is the best game.

[rose fiber]

I think both sides should take a step back, stop either believing next game will be good or bad with info you have now

[fervent rose]

nah, gun microdestruction is sick

[trim nexus]

You started this btw

[hard jay]

If bullets can destroy things then they might as well remove buildings

[trim nexus]

Idk why you’re trying to make fun of me

[hard jay]

And make it like bf 1942

[fervent rose]

but r6 murderholes arent fun

[tame crow]

started what? being realistic. thanks.

[civic mason]

We're not saying that either, we just want the game to be good and are hoping for the best but preparing for the worst

Don't be an a-hole

[trim nexus]

God you’re stupid

Saying a leaked feature will be bad is not being realistic

[dapper night]

Yeah after 2042, but after Vince's interview it seems like they're know that they messed up big time and are trying to gain the community's trust back which is kinda interesting but I wanted to see their execution and the CTE first

[trim nexus]

Please explain to me how that is being realistic

[tame crow]

quizzing the details of it is

[trim nexus]

You actually have soup for brains

[tame crow]

you guys are gassing up over stuff you dont know yet.

[hard jay]

I don't think anyone here thinks bf6 will definitely be a good game, we're just hoping for the best

[civic mason]

https://tenor.com/view/good-soup-good-soup-meme-meme-adam-driver-gif-22924425

[vocal tusk]

1. No clue, need more game info to know

2. Again depends on what type of cover/objects can be destroyed or penetrated, and if small arms can destroy a wall, or simply penetrate it. Need to wait and see

3. No real info on Factions or customization. Id guess a system closer to BFV than 2042 tho...if they want to go the live service route, keeping skin sales via micro-transactions

[trim nexus]

No one is gassing anything up, we are just talking about the leaks

[civic mason]

Embed fail

[trim nexus]

And you Debbie downer come along

“It’s going to be shit”

Get outta here dog

[tame crow]

over simplified what i have been saying.

[tame crow]

no

[civic mason]

You're doing the same to us, tho

[fervent rose]

[hard jay]

Companies always say that they "listen to their communities" and "hey wanna "go back to their roots." Its just weightless words, we're gonna have to see it with our own eyes to know if its true or not

[trim nexus]

You literally typed “it’s going to be trash”

[hard jay]

I mean,its the most realistic approach

Its better to have low or 0 expectations than be excited

[trim nexus]

That’s not really having no expectations

[tame crow]

not really. i have played almost every product this company has put out for the longest time. i think what i am saying is quite reasonable.

wait and see. dont let this company gas you with their flowery language is my point.

my point on revive dragging is details need to be right or it will make medic worse.

that is all i have said. i will stop now because some of the forever online folks are breaking.

[hard jay]

Low expectations yeah

[trim nexus]

Saying something will be bad and not even seeing it first is brain rotten

I don’t even get having low expectations

Just wait for CTE

[tawny carbon]

Remember nothing been confirmed unless it’s by Dice/EA or Zampella. Take things with a grain of salt. Tom Henderson is a good leaker. But keep in mind. A lot of things still can be proven wrong. So far he been correct.

[civic mason]

This is not what we said nor were doing tho

[vocal tusk]

Henderson also said 2042 would have a FTP BR mode. 😛

[trim nexus]

First smart decision from EA

[tame crow]

"leaker"

[tawny carbon]

I laughed at that so hard when 2042 came out

[hard jay]

I think dragging will either be very situational,or it'll affect the revive time for medics which would make playing medic unfun

[rose fiber]

My guess is that microtransactions will still ruin next BF for me unless they somehow stick to skins that fit the game. But can't have the opinion whether it's good or bad till I see it.

[quiet shell]

Yeah and he later explained why he was wrong: DICE and EA completely changed course on the game in the middle of development after he was informed. And in some cases the devs weren't told until way later and had essentially wasted time

[vocal tusk]

Best way to cop out of leaking bad info

[trim nexus]

Yeah 2042 was supposed to be a BR

That’s why it had specialists

[dapper night]

That's what I mean about being "Cautiously optimistic" being interested a little but still being cautious

[tall jackal]

Omg so many people dont know this

[hard jay]

Having long revives in a game like battlefield would be tedious

[tall jackal]

And the engine update took some time I think 18 months

[trim nexus]

Ok but the guy literally revealed a in house teaser for the game

[fervent rose]

source: trust me bro

[trim nexus]

He’s more right than wrong

[dapper night]

I did that with Dead Space Remake when the game got announced

[tawny carbon]

Sucks of all 2042 was rushed to drop the game.

[tame crow]

he is not a "leaker" tho.

[trim nexus]

Yeah that’s what leakers are

You take their word for it lmao

[fervent rose]

henderson's not a journalist though

[hard jay]

Same with the dead rising remaster,i knew they were gonna find a way to ruin it.

[trim nexus]

What do you expect them to show employee details

[vocal tusk]

And also why leaks like this are not worth much, outside of speculation and discussion (As we are doing here). Im not expecting anything leaks state to be true, ill just wait for official news.

[tame crow]

all these "leaks" you see are strictly controlled

by the devs and companies putting out the game

[quiet shell]

It's what happens when EA hires the former CEO of Candy Crush to make a battlefield game and let nepotism rot the studio from the inside out

[hard jay]

Yeah to garner hype

[fervent rose]

if he is a journalist, he's an access journalist

[tawny carbon]

Official news is the best news

[tame crow]

rare you see actual leaks these days

[hard jay]

For real

Thought i was the only one

[trim nexus]

lol I’m curious

What’s an actual leak

[dapper night]

DRR from what I've seen is alright

[trim nexus]

And how do you tell them apart

This is fantasy

[tawny carbon]

Yea essentially.

[trim nexus]

Nintendo literally arrested people over leaking info

[hard jay]

They censored alotta stuff, I don't like that.

[trim nexus]

Rockstar lost like 15 million dollars

Leaks are generally bad actually

[tame crow]

yes there are actual leaks still

[tall jackal]

Something that was not intendend to release to the public

[tame crow]

but many are just hype "leaks"

[hard jay]

Okay when did he say that leaks don't exist

[fervent rose]

like the gta6 stuff was not intended for release

thats a straight up illegal leak

[trim nexus]

No im saying how do you know when something is controlled and when something is not

[hard jay]

He's saying alot of leaks are made by the company,or even the artist

[trim nexus]

You literally can’t

[civic mason]

Ohhhhhh love, is a long, loonnnng road

[tame crow]

you have a brain

[hard jay]

They have alot of "leaks" in the music industry too

[dapper night]

Ehhh for me the gameplay is what I was most afraid they will changed but they didn't changed a thing and it's still hard

[tame crow]

you got to use the brain lad

[trim nexus]

What valve is doing with deadlock is more of a controlled leak

[hard jay]

I'd just play the original at this point

[tawny carbon]

Rockstar got onto hackers real quick. Many companies shared their early development along side of the leaks of Gta6. Congrats for other devs sharing info, so they aren’t alone. Cuz rockstar was getting laughed at and meme on by their early development.

[trim nexus]

Specifically making people not sign any binding nda

[hard jay]

Team fortress 2 will always remain ONTOP!

[tame crow]

WELL HOW CAN YOU TELL???? HUH? HUH? HUH? lmao

[hard jay]

Deadlock DOA tf2 FEA

[tame crow]

This

[trim nexus]

I can tell because they literally are letting people play that game…

[fervent rose]

anybody can invite anybody, not exactly a "leak" at this point

[trim nexus]

I mean more of their “hey don’t talk about this”

It was for show

An actual nda would require a signature

[hard jay]

"i hate hero shooters!!!!" Dudes when valve makes another hero shooter

[fervent rose]

it's Valve though

[civic mason]

Tf2 was a hero shooter.

Change my mind

[tawny carbon]

NDA have to be very strict. Division heartland for example. Last playtest I was in. I enjoyed it. But can’t say anything about the game. I could easily get sued if it took that far.

[rain elbow]

It literally was though

[trim nexus]

I hope the BF6 CTE is like deadlock

[tame crow]

i mean hero shooter genre was getting stale. OW2 stinks. Look at Concord too lmao.

[hard jay]

Ermm...tf2 was a class shooter that inspired overwatch

Its class shooters not hero shooters

[tame crow]

yea TF2 not a hero shooter

[civic mason]

Nope, ur dum

Blocked.

[civic mason]

Blocked.

[tall jackal]

Its a class based hero shooter

Like 2042

[tame crow]

low iq cope

[fervent rose]

that nets someone a block? why are you on discord talking to people then

[hard jay]

The term "hero shooter" implies that overwatch created or popularized the genre,which they absolutely didn't

[fervent rose]

please also block me sir

[civic mason]

Half blocked, I'll just close my eyes when I see ur messages

[hard jay]

Tf2 outlived both overwatch and overwatch 2

[tawny carbon]

BF games is hero shooters. 2042 is not one due to weapons being unrestricted

[tall jackal]

Bro I love TF2

[civic mason]

Eh barely, idk how the bot situation is atm for TF2

[hard jay]

Tf2 has tens of thousands of players more than overwatch and its SATISFYING TO SEE!

[hard jay]

They actually fixed it a couple months ago baby

[tame crow]

OW2 is garbage. They ruined that game with their changes.

[civic mason]

And the botters haven't been able to crack the new patch?

Damn

[hard jay]

They made overwatch 2 as an attempt to reinvigorate their shitty game

[hard jay]

Nah,they gave up

TF2 ONTOP BABY!

[trim nexus]

Battlefield 6 clearly needs a MOBA mode to match deadlock hype

[hard jay]

Yeah bro

[trim nexus]

Wait now that I’m thinking about it

[civic mason]

Man why can't acti do that for Black Ops 3??

I'm mad

[trim nexus]

A player team vs commander who has AI and call ins mode would be fun

[hard jay]

We need battlefield to be a moba hero shooter battle royale,its what the players want!

[tame crow]

all they had to do is keep 6v6 and deal with resolving double shield meta problem.... they would have been in a better place.

[trim nexus]

FPS vs rts mode

[hard jay]

This is probably what the investors are discussing rn

[full burrow]

im guessing the only reason deadlock is so hyped is cos its valve

[hard jay]

It literally is

[patent pivot]

Just bring back commander, and I'll be in that position 24/7

[trim nexus]

It’s also like… a lot of fun

[tame crow]

valve release always gets hyped

[hard jay]

Actually ive seen alot of people shit on deadlock

[full burrow]

Mobas are inhenerly fairly boring/flawed

[hard jay]

But still,alot of valve fanboys

[tame crow]

LoL is boring

[tawny carbon]

I wanna see a command and conquer BF game

[hard jay]

They can't even make a pve mode

[full burrow]

Wild Rift (LoL on mobile) is actually really great cos its high quality but games are much quicker

[tame crow]

yea lol

[trim nexus]

Deadlock is obviously different

It has movement and aiming mechanics

[hard jay]

Its different because uh- because its valve!

If deadlock wasn't made by valve it would get utterly shat on

[trim nexus]

Are you actually making the claim that deadlock and LoL are the exact same thing

[full burrow]

Problem with PC mobas is the game time so soo long that if you fuck up in the first 5 minutes, you play like a pussy bitch for 30 minutes until you recover the gold/level gap

[fervent rose]

when good devs make games they get good reception, ye

whats wrong with that

[trim nexus]

Average battlefield conquest game is like 27 min

So who cares

[full burrow]

the game mode encourages "playing it safe" for like 40 minutes cos u can maybe claw back a win

[full burrow]

cos youre actually actively doing a lot in those 27 minutes

[trim nexus]

Malding

They didint get invite

[full burrow]

like I said, in mobas, you start loosing so you start doing nothing until you equalize the power gap, it gets boring real fast

[trim nexus]

This is so funny

[tame crow]

or you just play the ff angle

[trim nexus]

Are you not doing anything in deadlock?

You clearly Didint play

[hard jay]

Its funny when they get praised for fixing their game

[trim nexus]

Don’t know why you’re talking then

[full burrow]

I played a little

its a slow game

like a moba

[tame crow]

deadlock is not that interesting fr

[hard jay]

All i know is that tf2 fans absolutely hate deadlock

[full burrow]

so does smite btw

[hard jay]

Which im happy about

[full burrow]

not a new concept at all

[hard jay]

Im glad tf2 fans aren't moving to it

[fervent rose]

it's not a tf2 replacement

dunno why that would be your concern

[trim nexus]

TF2 fans not going outside because it’s a different experience than TF2:

[full burrow]

tf2 still going, damn

been a while since ive played that

[hard jay]

Name me a game that has the same experience as TF2

[hard jay]

Its a good time to come back since they fixed the cheating problem

[hard jay]

Just one singular game

[patent pivot]

Can't deal with cheaters if you play solo mode

[civic mason]

TFC2

[full burrow]

maybe it isnt a good time to comeback cos im not 12 anymore xD

[hard jay]

Thats a mod,try again

[strong snow]

Battlefield 6 leaks

[full burrow]

like I have great memories of garys mod too, but I doubt im coming back to it...

[civic mason]

It's not a mod it was a standalone game on source 2

[fervent rose]

why would people be trying to make the same experience as tf2 when tf2 still exists

[patent pivot]

Gmod can be fun with new weapon mods

And interesting maps

[tame crow]

tf2 still goated. i might play later fr.

[civic mason]

Tho it was shut down by valve because they were using thier assets without permission

[hard jay]

Tf2 is the only game where suicide is considered as a form of greeting or politeness

[amber kelp]

*lose in rock paper scissors
*explode

[hard jay]

Who's ur main(s)

Answer correctly

[fervent rose]

i was a chronic dabbler, could never main

but i never got too into tf2 compared to some people

[hard jay]

I play every class,but i play some more than the other

[tame crow]

idk i kinda go between medic, pyro, heavy or sniper.

[hard jay]

I'll give you a pass because you said heavy

And medic

[tame crow]

i dont really main. i mean i use to really hit spy a lot

[hard jay]

I used to hate spy until i decided to play him the intended way

I think content creators really ruined spy as a class

[fervent rose]

heavy soldier and demo probably got my most played

[hard jay]

Heavy,scout and demo for me

[fervent rose]

and scout too

[hard jay]

Mowing down enemies with a minigun NEVER gets old

[tame crow]

but yea i usually just play everything. change it up all the time. tf2 one of the only games where i do that more often than not. other games kinda settle into mains.

[hard jay]

Especially when you have kritz up your butt,oh boy

[hard jay]

I can't believe it took me such a long time to realize spy wasn't supposed to be focused on back stabbing

[soft plaza]

https://youtube.com/shorts/NA0shfMT_Hk?si=LW_qkZ07812fUg_1

[fervent rose]

playing one thing over and over never appealed to me, and tf2 is so rewarding with its variety

[civic mason]

You have a whole ahh revolver for a reason, ye

[hard jay]

Yes

[patent pivot]

I still play l4d

[tame crow]

l4d awesome

[hard jay]

Its actually so funny to see spies try to run away or attempt to stab you with a knife,like bro you have this powerful ass revolver that does 60 damage a hit

[tame crow]

this fr

[patent pivot]

You play it often?

[tame crow]

not too often

[patent pivot]

Why?

[tame crow]

idk other things i am playing

[soft plaza]

where can i post my clips and videos?

[patent pivot]

I have other things

And I still play l4d l

[tame crow]

plus my friends dont play it, we playing other games like LoL, CS, Dota or OW

[patent pivot]

Pfft friends?!

So funny

So cute

[hard jay]

I won so many 1v1's because people didnt expect me to pull out my revolver

"spy has a primary?! 😱"

Hes an underrated class, people just don't know how to play him because of YouTubers

[tame crow]

yea you always just see people with the knife it is content creator induced cringe lol

[patent pivot]

I swear, esport and YouTubers always play ultra sweaty

You know. High fov and rapid aiming

[civic mason]

Pull out the M44, from the video game BF2042

The channel of which we are currently in

[fervent rose]

its tf2, if you're not "rapid aiming" you're getting smoked

[patent pivot]

And that's one aspect why I dislike pvp

[tame crow]

tf2 > watching paint dry > 2042

[civic mason]

Nah I'd win

[tame crow]

yea they are a bunch of cringelords

[amber kelp]

we're complaining about high fov now?

[hard jay]

Another thing tf2 does that no other game has is that you don't need to be good at the game to enjoy it

[patent pivot]

I'm fine with 80 or 85 fov

[trim nexus]

I’m excited for a new single player for battlefield

[tame crow]

high fov i wouldn't put in the sweaty category

[patent pivot]

Anything stupidly above 100 is demonic

[trim nexus]

Hope it’s something interesting and not just set piece to set piece

[hard jay]

If its something above 120 then thats sweaty

[patent pivot]

I just want a solo mode

[hard jay]

I keep my fov at 105 or 90

[amber kelp]

they havent been interesting since bc2

[tame crow]

i max fov

[fervent rose]

I like 105

[trim nexus]

I can’t imagine going above 120

How tf do you see shit at that point

[fervent rose]

fishbowl in bf looks like shit

[trim nexus]

I want it to be like bf2 modern combat

Open world

[hard jay]

Yeah especially in a game like battlefield where its long distance combat with alot of foliage

[trim nexus]

And you can teleport and take over each person on the ground

It was a really fun mechanic

[amber kelp]

I do hope the single player at least feels like battlefield instead of being a faux-serious cod ripoff

[fervent rose]

yup, like in bfv especially that game was hard to see shit

[patent pivot]

You got 2 options :

1. Better solo mode for multiplayer
2. A campaign that plays like old battlefront games

[trim nexus]

It would be kind of crazy if they managed to make 32 unique characters, each in their own squad

[patent pivot]

Absolutely not

No more specialist

[trim nexus]

So when you swap characters you go on their own little story lines

[amber kelp]

sounds terrible

[trim nexus]

For singleplayer?

I’m talking what they did in modern combat

For the console game

Where you could take control over any soldier on your team

[patent pivot]

Meh

I just want respawning tickets for campaign

That's better than switching

[amber kelp]

yeah but you want story lines for all of them, which would just be a narrative mess.
I do like the idea of jumping from guy to guy

[patent pivot]

I'd rather have unlimited ticket spawn over one time death

[trim nexus]

Like imagine you’re playing in one squad, and they have their own little lines and back stories. Then Boom, you all die

And get teleported to the nearest other living team member

That would be dark lmao

[full burrow]

grand theft battlefield

[trim nexus]

No I meant more like that one meme

“I can’t wait to go back home to my family”

Gets sniped

[full burrow]

Youre pinned down on the frontlines so you switch to trevor who stole an apache for some air support

[trim nexus]

Kinda like how the halo games had team mates that followed you and got into your vehicles

They had some minor dialogue

[fervent rose]

see now this would actually be fun, you play in a battle but your POV keeps swapping based on the story.

[trim nexus]

That’s what I’m saying

[fervent rose]

mostly scripted but "dynamic"

[trim nexus]

Yall gotta see the vision

[patent pivot]

Meh

It's okay

[fervent rose]

"meh" what game has done that in a large scale war game

none!

[trim nexus]

True

[patent pivot]

Bruh idc

I just want to play multiplayer with bots

[fervent rose]

you just want a boring bot simulator

[trim nexus]

Well I do

[amber kelp]

one that I liked were the black ops 2 missions where it was an RTS but you could possess any troop

[patent pivot]

That's all I'm asking

[full burrow]

again, good ideas are easy to come by, the execution is the hard part, I would still they rather do something simple but do it well instead of reaching for the moon and giving us half asses shit again

[patent pivot]

And no

Ah fuck this

[fervent rose]

okay and we want a unique campaign mode

[trim nexus]

Ok I want that too

[patent pivot]

This won't get us anywhere

[trim nexus]

Both would be good

[amber kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-alright-i-get-it-i-get-it-enough-gif-19558825

[patent pivot]

I'm done

[fervent rose]

I want something better than multiplayer bots

[trim nexus]

And maybe fix the bug in solo mode

[patent pivot]

Have you played old battlefront story?

[fervent rose]

we have those, they are boring

[trim nexus]

Where if you crash you spawn under the earth

They still haven’t patched that

[tame crow]

multiplayer has already been filled with bots for years

[full burrow]

That sounds like men of war assault squad

[trim nexus]

No unfortunately not

[patent pivot]

Not an excuse

[patent pivot]

Think of it like this

[trim nexus]

I totally forgot about that

It was such a cool mission

[tame crow]

i just making jokes about how bad some of the player base are

[patent pivot]

Regular multiplayer map, but scripted storytelling

[trim nexus]

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about

Modern combat did the same thing

[patent pivot]

Do this objectives, next map sections opens up

[trim nexus]

I would like to see it again

[patent pivot]

Minus the characters switching

I don't want that

I just want normal spawn tickets

[trim nexus]

[patent pivot]

Pick a class and your loadout

Play these story objectives

If you die, you die

Respawn

[fervent rose]

thats not as interesting storytelling

[patent pivot]

Simple!

[trim nexus]

But with character switching you could swap to someone in a vehicle

[patent pivot]

Fucking hell

IDC

[fervent rose]

you want a boring campaign

[patent pivot]

I'd rather have respawning soldiers

[tame crow]

i never play campaigns. if i want a story i watch prime, netflix and the like.

[trim nexus]

Idk why you wouldn’t want to utilize what battlefield is famous for

Maybe it makes sense for Star Wars

[patent pivot]

I

Don't

Give

A damn

[trim nexus]

Brother

We’re having a discussion

If you don’t care then don’t comment

[kindred flint]

what in the spectrum is happening here

[fervent rose]

why are you getting so mad about this man

[trim nexus]

Like

Why are people so weird

[full burrow]

is the campaign gonna be a standlone purchase, multiplayer standalone with like a discounted bundle for both?

[fervent rose]

im guessing the only free thing is br

[tame crow]

i mean do you want something like galactic conquest in the old battlefront games

[patent pivot]

I was not also a fan of galactic conquest

Because I don't like strategy

[tame crow]

huh? bruh you are not a fan of gaming.

[full burrow]

cos while I understand that the campaign was generally part of the game, 2042 didnt have a one, and a lot of people might be pissed at high price tag for a game that includes a campaign they dont care about

[tame crow]

galactic conquest was goated

[patent pivot]

I don't like strategy

Just drop me off a planet

And I'll fight the empire or rebel

That's it

[fervent rose]

your desires to play against bots have been noted

believe me. we have noted it.

[amber kelp]

BF6 will not be complete if I cannot play a gimped version of multiplayer for 30 minutes then never touch it again

[amber kelp]

I really think BF single player would be better with a format that caters to its scale rather than linear, small, scripted levels

[full burrow]

they could also use the campaign to film a woke/progressive trailer full of diveristy and various identity stuff

[hard jay]

Then they'd put it in the multiplayer too

[fervent rose]

its just very hard to tell a scripted story when you have large open environments

[amber kelp]

(then dont tell that sort of story)

[fervent rose]

but what is a campaign if not scripted storytelling

[amber kelp]

a single player, fun experience with an overarching narrative.
Get creative with the format instead of making shitty call of duty. 1 was at least sort of getting there with war stories that focus on specific sandbox elements.

[full burrow]

Well the small scripted level I guess is a way to basically reuse multiplayer maps but build a campaign around that. you know use what you already made and show it with a story but I think I get what you mean.

Something like one map/location and campaign starts there on "day 1" of the war and shit is still pretty and calm and peaceful, and the progression is basically everything getting more destroyed/rebuilt/fortified/defended/counterattacked ect ect

[amber kelp]

Heres a thought, what if the campaign was you running the PMC. You have to make choices of where to go and what to buy (tanks, aircraft, guns, ammo, etc), then it cuts to modern combat style missions where you bring your equipment. Like total war but with battlefield gameplay

[civic mason]

Wha-

Bruh what even bought that up

Huh

Wha

Guh

[full burrow]

its called marketing

[amber kelp]

??

[civic mason]

I'm lost too bruh

[hard jay]

They're talking about campaigns

[amber kelp]

even so i have no idea why he went to that

[hard jay]

And this guy is saying the dudes who made the story can ruin the hard work of the dudes who made the multiplayer (if its good to begin with)

[civic mason]

Yeah but literally what prompted the word "woke" to be thrown out there?

Like

Why

[full burrow]

there was a joke earlier, that kinda reminder me of that

[fervent rose]

[civic mason]

Dude is literally making up someone to be mad at

I can't

[full burrow]

Im not mad

but um, are you ok?

[civic mason]

Alright fair enough

[hard jay]

Because if the campaign is woke then the campaign would be shit

Do you want me to translate it to spanishm

[fervent rose]

the word woke is dogshit

[amber kelp]

Since its set in 2027 and features extremely broad factions, I dont really see why you wouldnt have a diverse set of characters to play as right? Unless there is no facial customization then I dont see any reason not to.

[next onyx]

"Woke" doesn't even mean anything.

[civic mason]

OK

[fervent rose]

oh, it does

[full burrow]

I am the creator is of so much conversation

[fervent rose]

and it's a pretty nasty word due to that

hence, dogshit

[hard jay]

Sure

What is saints row then?

[next onyx]

It's just a dumbass word used by reactionaries to describe anything they don't like.

[amber kelp]

cringe

[hard jay]

Woke

[amber kelp]

reactionaries
ironic

[next onyx]

"Not good"

[full burrow]

ummm actually its a past tense word for waking up

I woke up

[hard jay]

Including diversity for the sake of including diversity

[fervent rose]

it's actually simpler than that, it's nothing more than bigotry

[hard jay]

[civic mason]

Saints row was bad due to shitty game design and story in general

[amber kelp]

[hard jay]

A woke story,yeah

Woke devs

[civic mason]

Not because it's "woke"

[hard jay]

Yeah like star wars

Its totally not woke guys!

[fervent rose]

star wars is not "woke" it's just bad

[hard jay]

Yeah okay bro

[full burrow]

nah star wars is woke ( in the good way)

[hard jay]

Its bad because its woke my guy

[full burrow]

so many colours, very non discrimanantory

[fervent rose]

explain how its bad then

go on

[civic mason]

Brother ya know saints row 2 had alotta gay shit in it, right?

Is that game woke?

[amber kelp]

people attribute the low quality of these stories to progressive ideals, but in reality its usually when these progressive ideals are handled in an amateurish or overconfident manner. Its more about how a subculture of creatives treats these ideals rather than the ideals themselves

[full burrow]

whooooah carby thats offensive

[civic mason]

Yea

[fervent rose]

its a tell when people wont define woke

[civic mason]

I'm tired if seeing the word woke being used so much bruh

[fervent rose]

if they wont define it, they're a bigot

🙂

[full burrow]

define woman

[amber kelp]

I wont get bogged down in semantics like a redditor

[civic mason]

Idk about all that but

[civic mason]

Yo mama

[amber kelp]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[full burrow]

FACTS

[civic mason]

My moooooooom!

[full burrow]

is also your uncle

lol jk soz

[civic mason]

Bruh

[fervent rose]

its not semantics when people dodge basic questions like explaining their dumbass dog whistles

[civic mason]

Nah but anyways, moving on from this shitty topic

[full burrow]

xD sorry I get really hilarious this time of night

[civic mason]

I mean what can they do for a good campaign?

[hard jay]

When did i say that including gays or anything that isn't a straight white person equates to wokeness

[civic mason]

The last good BF campaign was BC2, right?

[amber kelp]

according to "the tom" bf6's story is focused on modern military technology.
This could be very interesting, especially if their plot wants to explore the ethics that revolve around that tech.

[hard jay]

I recognise that theres some racist that use "woke" as a way to air out their racist tendencies,but it can be used in alot of places

[fervent rose]

basically the only good one imo

[full burrow]

we can sit here and come up with thousands of great ideas, it doesnt matter because its all about the execution

[hard jay]

Hardline was fun

[full burrow]

and even with the best idea and the best team we still run a risk of some dumbfuck going "nooo me no wait, me want money now, release game is okkk"

[civic mason]

Fair enough, sorry for insinuating you were any kinda -phobic, I shouldn't assume your character like that

[hard jay]

Woke and bigot are two words that are used incorrectly most of the time

[civic mason]

But anyways, moving on, what made BC2 and hardline so good?

[hard jay]

I don't know, they're fun and they didn't take themselves seriously

If they're gonna make it a half assed story,then make it fun

Or make it like bf1

[amber kelp]

generally the term "woke" is used in a "you know it when you see it" manner, and those terms are usually caused by someone recognizing a pattern (in this case, exceedingly poor games with similar traits), and not being able to put their finger on what specifically that pattern is beyond surface level observations.

[fervent rose]

bc2 worked because of fun writing

the banter was excellent in that game

[hard jay]

Yes exactly

[full burrow]

idk i think of woke as trying to fit into the current "narrative" by doing stupid as fuck things

[hard jay]

I'd rather a half assed story that doesn't take itself seriously rather than a serious story that nobody will remember

[amber kelp]

This comes down to the story being self aware or not.
A serious story will pull off its tone if it is self aware. Not like BF3 trying to be a serious political plot where no nations make decisions that are remotely believable

[hard jay]

Yeah,just like how you don't like it when people call everything "woke" don't call everyone a bigot

Both are as annoying

And immature

[civic mason]

Yeah sorry, just whenever I see the word woke I friggin explode cuz I have unfortunate experience with the worse kinda peeps using that word to describe anything that has a black or queer person in it. Sorry to assume the worse.

I do agree that over doing representation is bad too! That comes off as disingenuous and "pandering" for brownie points

I hope we're on the same page now

[fervent rose]

a mature person wouldnt use the word woke in the first place but we can move on

[full burrow]

yeah I get you np

[hard jay]

You can still make a diverse game without having it feel woke or forced

[kindred flint]

looks back in channel, oh its still being stupid

[royal swan]

Lol

The hell is going on

[amber kelp]

it is reverting to rationality dont stoke the fire

[civic mason]

Yeah, like borderlands 1 and 2.

[vital quail]

Need actual mods back smh

[hard jay]

The saints row series has the diverse cast ever

[full burrow]

NO LETS RIOT INSTEAD

[fervent rose]

we need a saints row 2 remake

[next onyx]

Describe woke.

[civic mason]

True, the writing didn't get shitty until the new one that sorta just insisted on itself

[hard jay]

You got koreans, Chinese,black,indians,brits, Europeans

[civic mason]

Ugh, I hate the new saints row

[hard jay]

And osama bin laden

[next onyx]

?

[amber kelp]

past tense of wake

[full burrow]

I actually really dislike borderlands games, they are surface level fun but WAYYYY to easy, and the fact that you cant up the difficulty until you complete the game means I will never get close to completing it cos its too fucking boring cos its to easy

[civic mason]

"i hope ya don't mind hepatitis"

[hard jay]

Yeah it even includes people that suffer from std's

Very inclusive

[royal swan]

I would like a game to be diverse when the choices come from a spinning wheel so it's less of a personal choice and more random.

[civic mason]

You cna clear BL2 fast af tho... And get to the harder difficulties. Idk I disagree I fockin' love borderlands

[hard jay]

Fallout of looter shooters,only one game in the series that people care about

[next onyx]

What I meant in what I said is describe what you mean when you just lazily call something you don't like "woke". It's such a thought terminating cliche.

[civic mason]

Yea

[fervent rose]

yeah instead of woke you could say in better words what you actually mean

english language ya know

[full burrow]

I know a lot of people like the game, but I struggle to complete games that really engage me, its never gonna happen with a gun equivalent of a hack and slash

[amber kelp]

rust moment

I do wonder if we are getting face customization in BF6, hope we do

[hard jay]

The only reason i finished tiny tina is because i played it with a friend

[full burrow]

and ive tested my hypothesis that borderlands is tooo easy in 2 ways, I tried playing using only one hand and did fine, and I also played using only the melee function

[royal swan]

I'ma be honest, I see it very pointless

[full burrow]

lucky bastard

[amber kelp]

its fun. Doesnt need to be much more than that.

[full burrow]

you have a friend 😦

[vital quail]

Face customization in an fps might be the most useless idea I've ever heard

[hard jay]

I guess its meant to be a game where you just turn your brain off and have fun

[civic mason]

Honestly I have a good idea for a BF campaign: war stories, but it's soldiers telling Hella exaggerated versions of what they went through and being sarcastic af about it, like ya know military humor and all that

[hard jay]

Yeah we play alotta games together

We played heavy rain and it was so fun

[full burrow]

yeah thats why I describe it as a hack and slash but guns

[hard jay]

It was like we were watching a movie

[full burrow]

and I dont rly like hack and slash

[hard jay]

Not even gow3?

Cmon

[full burrow]

but the open world and cool guns ands tuff attract me

whats gow3

oh gears or war?

[hard jay]

The only genre i really cinematic games

Like interactive movies

I hate these.

[hard jay]

God of war 3

[full burrow]

oh never played, but yeah doesnt appeal to me

I typically dont give af about story and cinematics

[civic mason]

While new GoW is good, imo, I find it funny how they turned it into such "Oscar bait" lol

[hard jay]

Oh shit like call of Juarez gun slinger

[full burrow]

only time I care about story is when the gameplay is already incredible and thats quite rare

[hard jay]

Thats actually a fire idea

[civic mason]

Never played that game, explain

[full burrow]

Cowboy telling the story, and you play the game, and your other friend is like hey dude cmon there wernt 20 guys there, ok fine there were 5 and then it changes to 5 enemies ect

[hard jay]

The story is about some old dude telling outlandish stories in a bar about his life as a cowboy

Its a wacky cell shaded run and gun cowboy shooter

[civic mason]

Ahhh cool

[hard jay]

And it actually plays out in the game,like he's telling stupid details and it happens in the game

[civic mason]

Yea just wacky shit, well maybe not too wacky but ya know, keep it to BC2 style humor

[hard jay]

Alotta old games had that

[civic mason]

Ahh kinda like Tina's Dragonkeep DLC in borderlands 2

[hard jay]

Call of duty, assassin's creed,ridge racer, driver san Francisco

[hard jay]

Yesss

[hard jay]

Nowadays you can't make a story game without good gameplay

Its like some movie rejects who think video games are too childish

And immature

I hate that shit

[civic mason]

Yeah the Oscar bait is real, bruh

[hard jay]

Goty bait

[civic mason]

Yo imagine

If you beat the BFs campaign

You get a cutscene of a new soldier waking up after a jet crash in some random field, and a shambling figure walks towards them

And then the figure sees the solider wake up, and then full sprints at em and the screen goes black... And then the game says:

[hard jay]

And then you see zombies running towards you

[civic mason]

PMC ZOMBIES

And then you play the secret zombie mode

[hard jay]

How would it work tho

Like dedicated small maps for zombies?

[civic mason]

Yea I'd imagine it's a custom level for an endless zombies survival mode

Where you can upgrade your shit n all that

[tame crow]

idk zombies just over done at this point

[civic mason]

Idc it's fun

[hard jay]

Best genre ever

[civic mason]

The Easter egg song is by slipknot

[tame crow]

idk we need a new beast form to reign for awhile

maybe communists

[next onyx]

Treyarch has perfected the zombies formula. Let them do it.

[civic mason]

What?

[hard jay]

Its hard to make a boring zombie game

Unless you're sony

[civic mason]

Hey, the last of us won multiple game awards

That means it's gud

[hard jay]

I guarantee you nobody ever replayed tlou more than once

[tame crow]

tlou overrated

[hard jay]

Not gonna happen

They censored the dialogue in DRR where the Vietnam vet was bashing communists

[civic mason]

What "beast form"?

[hard jay]

I think he means new trendy genre

Like how zombies were trending for a while

[full burrow]

nowadays I feel most "AAA" devs dont even care about story or gameplay combined what they do about graphics

[tame crow]

idk why they would censor that. i mean no actual person is being offended

[civic mason]

Then why did he say communists?

Lmao

[hard jay]

Like idk replace zombies with communists?

I don't understand it either

[full burrow]

lol

[hard jay]

[pine roost]

I kinda wish graphics obsession would stagnate a bit. Texture detail this, ray tracing that, games have looked better without this tech and it just leads to less frames and enforced AA and upscaling

[hard jay]

Yeah they gotta protect the 2 communists that actually play dead rising

[tame crow]

a joaquin get the helicopter moment

[hard jay]

It doesn't even look visually pleasing most of the time,just uncanny

[civic mason]

Wat, nah way more peeps like that play dead rising

[tame crow]

but yea idk i just played so much zombies and vampires it just gets stale for me

[hard jay]

Okay 10

[full burrow]

A bit? every bit update or engine improvements is all about graphical capabilities now regardless of performance impact, sooo many people run everything on low even if they can push a bit more

[civic mason]

Nah the same player base that plays new Vegas would also probs play dead rising

[hard jay]

Im just messing around,but i still think the removal of that one singular dialogue is unnecessary,i mean the dude is literally a psychopath war vet

Why tf would he care about offending anyone

[full burrow]

and yeah all this DLSS ect bullshit sucks too

[fervent rose]

true, at least for me

both of those are classics

[hard jay]

Oh yeah i kill innocents with a machete but I can't be mean to communists???

[pine roost]

What gets me the most is the damn upscaling requirement. It makes every image worse as it loses all sharpness and crispness

[hard jay]

I can mow down a corpse with a lawn mower but i can't be mean

[pine roost]

Tsushima and bf1 look better than most modern titles, just do more with what we have now >:(

[hard jay]

Ghost of Tsushima the best sony game since the ps3 era

[fervent rose]

bf1 next to cyberpunk looks VERY dated, but art style does matter a lot

[vital quail]

Can this yap session move to #general

[full burrow]

yeah, I dont think ive played a game in the last 6 years and been like, wow feels like im in the 2000 graphics wise but I have certaintly thought the gameplay or ai or whatever was ancient era dogshit

[tame crow]

functioning levels: zombies > communists.

so yea i guess zombies are more challenging for gameplay.

[hard jay]

Wdym VERY

Bf1 looks better than cp

[fervent rose]

uhh

sure.

[tame crow]

bf1 is immersive as hell

beautiful game

[next onyx]

Cyberpunk looks amazing.

[pine roost]

And… penny goes in the pot

[hard jay]

Cyberpunk is another overrated game

[civic mason]

For the love of God don't ever abbreviate cyberpunk, lmao

[hard jay]

Tlou and new Vegas tier overrated

[tame crow]

comparing the two is ridiculous tho as they are completely different

[tame crow]

what are you on about?

[next onyx]

New vegas is pretty damn good.

[full burrow]

tlou?

[pine roost]

Every time bf1 and immersion are in the same sentence I feel the urge to add a tally

[next onyx]

There's a reason why it's loved.

[hard jay]

The last of us

[tame crow]

well a fact is a fact. idk lol

[full burrow]

ahh ok, never played it looks too boring

but new vegas was elite

[hard jay]

Funny thing is tlou multiplayer was more fun than the actual story

That just made me realize

[pine roost]

I know, it’s just nobody can not mention it which I find funny

[full burrow]

that game looks like its made for the story not the gameplay and tahts just not my thing

[next onyx]

I need to play wolfenstein the new colossus again.

[amber kelp]

I like bf1 for the gameplay

[tame crow]

well a fact is a fact lad. I mean just accept facts today or idk dude lol

[hard jay]

Remember when single player games had a tacked on multiplayer mode that was fun as shit?

[tame crow]

bf1 is immersion heaven

[hard jay]

Bf1 had screaming

I like screaming in my video games

RUMANA RUMANA! AL QUNBALAAAA!

[civic mason]

Serious Sam player

[full burrow]

flashback to cod waw - BANZAIIIIIIII

[hard jay]

AC-130 ABOVE!

[tame crow]

i used to love that

so good

[next onyx]

Oh man

[hard jay]

Wtf happened bro

What happened to games like waw

Why can't we get shit like that anymo

[next onyx]

I can't play Serious Sam without being stuck in my head because I've played it on the hardest difficulty for too longm

[full burrow]

I had it on the nintendo wii xD

[next onyx]

Such good games tho

[hard jay]

[civic mason]

Oh right

[hard jay]

Only game that could rival bf1's immersion is waw

Legit the only ww2 shooter i like

[amber kelp]

any milsim

[hard jay]

Too boring

[amber kelp]

theyre designed from the ground up for immersion, they will clear any bf game

[pine roost]

That much I can agree with

[full burrow]

milsims are forced immersion

[civic mason]

https://youtu.be/AA1avIlelTU?

[hard jay]

Yeah

[full burrow]

not a natural feeling one

[hard jay]

It doesn't hit the same

[amber kelp]

what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[pine roost]

It’s not possible to not force it, since by its very nature a game that carries no risk to the player, hard to mimic the feelings of the character when you aren’t exactly in a similar situation

[next onyx]

Battlefield has never been designed with immersion in mind first.

They're arcade shooters.

[hard jay]

Eh

[full burrow]

its like star citizen - FORCING me to take a real in game shuttle to get from one place in this space spacion where the shop is to travel to the hanger to my ship for the sake of immersion

[hard jay]

I think bf1942 and bf2 were designed to be just that

[full burrow]

you spend 10 minutes waiting and standing for a shuttle becuase immersion

[amber kelp]

so... immersion.
Theyre milsims, theyre basically online reinactments.

[hard jay]

Boring

[pine roost]

Tbh I can understand your point

[amber kelp]

sure if its not your cup of tea thats fine, but they are immersive.

[hard jay]

A game doesn't have to be overly realistic for people to feel immersed

[pine roost]

Some games add mechanics for the sake of realism, but doesn’t necessarily immerse

[full burrow]

I dont disagree with you, but again thats forced immersion as opposed to just a game world created so well you feel a part of it

[hard jay]

Yeah

[amber kelp]

as opposed to just a game world created so well you feel a part of it
its exactly that

[hard jay]

They're realistic, doesn't necessarily mean they're immersive

[pine roost]

But then again, immersion is so subjective it’s impossible to define what constitutes as more immersive than something else

[eager spire]

I'mma keep it a buck, people who talk about immersion in PVP shooters are wasting their fucking time.

[full burrow]

yeah I think realistic is the world you are looking for, and it is different to immersive

[amber kelp]

The thing with milsims is that, while other games are trying to be a casual shooter that feels immersive, a milsim is focused almost entirely on just the immersion. People pick them up to be immersed, nothing else.

[hard jay]

Fricking

[amber kelp]

BF is never going to feel as immersive as squad, im sorry

[full burrow]

I can be immersved in fantasy game, a fantasy game WILL NOT BE REALISTIC

[hard jay]

People pick them up to play soldier and brag about it on the internet

Its like souls fans

People only play em to brag

[fervent rose]

???

[hard jay]

Gravity rush is a good example

That game is so good man

[full burrow]

yeah, I like hardcore stuff but I never got the appeal of souls

[tame crow]

imma keep it a buck, no

[pine roost]

Honestly I find it hard to ever feel immersed (well, my personal definition of immerse anyway) into shooters, since to me it’s just people fighting each other and I’m just thinking up how to win

[fervent rose]

25 million sold on Elden Ring

playing just to brag?

[full burrow]

that isnt hardcore its just very slowly repetitive

[fervent rose]

i doubt it man

its probably something people find fun

[full burrow]

Elder Rings looks good but I think it has good rpg elements too right?

[fervent rose]

yes but its basically dark souls 4

[full burrow]

the rpg side of dark souls appeals to me

[amber kelp]

sounds like a fairly egotistical view of these games.
elden ring is fun.

[full burrow]

but the combat doesnt, slowly waiting and chipping isnt fun

[eager spire]

Fromsoft games look cool.

[hard jay]

I'm messing around,but it does feel like it sometimes

[eager spire]

I cannot play them.

[hard jay]

Like how some milsim fans always talk about how games like cod and bf are little boy games...and im like bro

[amber kelp]

youre not really slowly waiting, youre dodging attacks and trying to find an opening.
Or you can summon a clone of yourself and stun lock the boss, world is your oyster

[hard jay]

Why do you think playing soldier on a digital video game makes you tough

[amber kelp]

yes many of them are painfully out of touch

[fervent rose]

Sekiro, then

[hard jay]

Corny asf

[fervent rose]

Best action game ive ever played

[next onyx]

Terraria infernum is beautifully difficult.

[fervent rose]

totally different pacing than dark souls

[hard jay]

My ass could never play a survival game solo

[full burrow]

I get that, but its normally a repititve-esque motion

[hard jay]

I'd fall asleep in the first second

Probably my least favourite genre tbh

[full burrow]

thats the brand new one?

[pine roost]

Heard plenty of that I will admit lol

[amber kelp]

maybe in the earlier souls games, never felt that much in ER

[next onyx]

Terraria isn't a survival game.

[full burrow]

real hardcore milsim players play in VR while sat on the toilet

[next onyx]

Its a modded difficulty.

Hard +++

But the fights are amazing.

[pine roost]

Honestly anyone half decent at a shooter would be able to play a milsim with ease

[full burrow]

yeah ER looks very good compared to DS, I have though of trying it sometime

[next onyx]

https://youtu.be/VqEUz3pPpkI?si=998zJmh11wr6favC

[pine roost]

But a sole milsim guy would struggle with quake haha

[fervent rose]

yeah but they arent rewarding

[full burrow]

ah nvm, I was thinking of a game that just came out on steam thats a souls like

[fervent rose]

the shooting part isnt rewarding at least

[hard jay]

Talk to me when you play DCS

Retired jet pilot simulator

[tame crow]

now that is immersive chairforce gameplay ngl

[pine roost]

Honestly I play them for the social experience above all else. Only milsims I play are squad and Arma. Arma it’s just friends messing around, and in squad it’s just fun times with randoms

[amber kelp]

depends on the game in question.
Hell let loose? Yes absolutely. Squad after the ico update? No chance

[full burrow]

you play rotmg?

Realm of The Mad God

[hard jay]

I've been playing project reality lately

[full burrow]

anyone got those constapation tablets "here wear this"

[pine roost]

But milsims just tend to enforce huge handicaps as a means to slow down pacing - ico as a prime example as nutter mentioned

[hard jay]

I like how project reality treats vehicles

Vehicles in pr feel like mini bosses you have to deal with,its fun

[full burrow]

Squad is a great game, I wouldnt desribe it as a milsim say compared to arma

I get why you could call it that

but choosing to base your stuff of off real stuff doesnt make you milsim

[tame crow]

i was waiting to an air force guy to absolutely pop off on me for the chairforce bit lol. everytime i mentioned it on discord there is always an air force guy malding about me saying it lol.

[hard jay]

Arma is the only game that i could really call a "milsim"

[full burrow]

omg im soo sleepy and im glad you said it again, cos now I get it xDDDDDDDDD

[pine roost]

It’s categorically a milsim, don’t quite see how it isn’t

[tame crow]

oh lmao

[hard jay]

Thats funny

[tame crow]

when i got the ping i was like bruh another air force guy lol

but then it wasnt

[hard jay]

I knew you were tryna get a reaction

[full burrow]

well no its a game that portays things somewhat realistically, but it doesnt make you press 1000 buttons to "simulate" real life

[amber kelp]

well, that is sort of the point right? People arent really playing these for the gunplay, other games are gonna clear in that regard. Theyre playing it to be immersed, so the game stops people from fragging out in a way that doesnt line up with that experience.

[tame crow]

i guess not as many active service or vet guys on here rn

[hard jay]

It sounded like it wasn't your first time saying that

[pine roost]

Yeah I agreed with you on that point earlier

[tame crow]

i know we had a guy in here the other day who was army

[hard jay]

You'd probably find them in an arma or squad server

[tame crow]

yea tbh they tend to like those more

[full burrow]

Squad golden days as I rememmber them were a long time ago before vehicles and mines and mortars and shit

when 2 men with a shovel sneaking to enemy rear fob was the POG

[hard jay]

Did vehicles and mortars make it unfun?

Thats my gripe with modern bf games

Except bf2

[full burrow]

not unfun, but definitely a bit more sweaty and more milsim mentality

[amber kelp]

Squad and arma are both milsims, squad just tones it down enough so you can play it on a dedicated server instead of hosting events.

[full burrow]

Like if you dont know what you are doing people are gonna be mad af

[amber kelp]

depends on the server.

[hard jay]

Its a little more welcoming in PR

But tbh i never played squad so i wouldn't know

[full burrow]

and some squads job will be running logicstic full time, which there is nothing wrong with that

[pine roost]

When anti tank was just better anti infantry

[full burrow]

but if no one is doing it then fl

gl*

[full burrow]

xD

[amber kelp]

luckily logi runs usually require one or two guys at max.
Better than older post scriptum where if the logi squad was ass your team was doomed

[pine roost]

The only time people won’t shout at you for choosing lat

[full burrow]

also hell let loose is a dogshit game

[amber kelp]

[full burrow]

annoying thing with squad is the marksman slot is same at AT slot, and people get mad if you dont take the rpg

[pine roost]

He’ll let loose lightens up a lot of those aim restrictions so I can see it being a little more engaging

[full burrow]

id play a source mod over hell loose

[pine roost]

Not going to correct that typo, that’s pretty funny actually

[amber kelp]

Hell Let Loose is really fun and immersive for about your first 20 hours then you realize how ass backwards almost every mechanic is and that the match is decided by one bored sl in a truck

[full burrow]

map design sucks ass

the maps look big and open, but every building isnt accesable and everything leads to the same few choke points

[amber kelp]

HLL doesnt just "lighten up aim restrictions", its guns are more simple than battlefield

[pine roost]

They did also raise the price a fair bit recently I noticed

[amber kelp]

yes jack up the price to celebrate their broken british faction :)

[hard jay]

Death stranding of fps games

[full burrow]

lol big F to anyone who bought that game

I mean if its your thing sure

but to me it looks like a box carrying simulator

[hard jay]

Ever played darkest hour ostfront?

[pine roost]

Also, was real surprised by the ‘resurrection’ of post scriptum. Dont know how it’s fairing now but I thought that one was long gone

[full burrow]

the Call to arms varient for ww2?

[hard jay]

Red orchestra mod

[full burrow]

im not if I played that one, but i did used to like WW1:S mod and RnL

[amber kelp]

the fact that it is even maintaining its playercount of 500 is a miracle. By all means that game should be dead

[full burrow]

ohh maybe I did lay RO but not much

dunno if I tried that mod

[hard jay]

I can't find post scriptum on steamdb

[pine roost]

Just made me realise that all these milsim games are often considered ‘hardcore’, yet they are the shooter games I feel the most chill in lol. Strange dichotomy

[fervent rose]

because "hardcore" doesnt mean the game takes more skill

anyone that believes that is lying to themselves

[amber kelp]

The new PS devs are smart, theyre focusing on fixing points of failure (mechanics that can lead to one player making a match fall apart), instead of falling into the trap of "more casual" or "more hardcore", and theyre working to fix these issues before bringing in a ton of players

they dont seem to have drunk the cool aid so I believe they have a chance

Also HLL is currently rotting so theres a void to fill

[pine roost]

Was tempted to try hll when it came out, but I just can’t be asked now

[full burrow]

one way of looking at "hardcore" or at least one factor is basically "needlessly" increasing difficulty

adding extra steps to get to the fun can seem hardscore

[pine roost]

Had fun squad leading in Squad, seems to be the only source of fun now that you can’t shoot things

[full burrow]

yeah I used to love squad, and when I played being SL was great cos I used to shot call in games a lot

but talking became hard when I was addicited to smoking

[hard jay]

Its barely alive unfortunately,its a shame because its what HLL wanted to be but better,it was a realistic but still accessible and fun shooter

[amber kelp]

"hardcore" and "casual" are mostly based on vibes tbh

[full burrow]

thats kinda true to a degree

I say I like hardcore games and what I mean by that is like games that actually punish you for making mistakes for example

[pine roost]

Suppose that’s a reasonable interpretation

[full burrow]

in some games its perma death, in a good mmorpg it would be full loot pvp

[hard jay]

Also has insane map variety

[pine roost]

But I also don’t really care about mistakes when they aren’t my fault due to the wack recoil guns have

[full burrow]

everyone has a nostalgia baby

[hard jay]

Wdym

[full burrow]

like an old game that we really like that didnt go nowear

and all we can do is live in the shadow of a dying memory

My nostalgia game was suppodely going to be be rereleased by another dev team who bought the rights and stared working on, they even put up a steam page

AND THEN ABADONED IT

[pine roost]

So like something that comes out but never gets any kind of sequel?

[full burrow]

in my case it was a lying shitty dev that promised they wernt working on a sequel and would support the game but instead killed the game a released a sequel which died

as well as other mistakes along the way

[pine roost]

Can’t say I’ve ever really had that

But there was one game I was super hyped for that didn’t make it to full release because of server costs during early access

[full burrow]

you heard of that concord game that recently thinged?

ffs cant post pictures anywhere by the looks of it

well its meme

100k peitions signed "please rerelease concord we were all busy that week"

[pine roost]

Yes, I played it and quite enjoyed it

But the character designs killed it

[full burrow]

lol fair enough

I only heard it about from the news that it was shutting down after a week

[pine roost]

Yeah it was basically just destiny crucible with more classes and abilities

But the price tag and character ugliness turned so many people away it died instantly

[zealous loom]

I'm interested in trying Marathon

[pine roost]

Whatever it ends up being lol

[zealous loom]

[full burrow]

are you fat?

[zealous loom]

[pine roost]

[zealous loom]

Nah tho fr

[full burrow]

only worried about your health and safety

its not a easy thing

[zealous loom]

I spend more time outside than on games

But yeah would be nice to see what a new Bungie game looks like

[hard jay]

I go gym daily

[full burrow]

oh game

[hard jay]

If it wasn't for the gym I'd probably look chungus

[orchid tusk]

oh so you like fitness?

[pine roost]

Name every treadmill

[amber kelp]

granted it also felt clunky and many of the characters just werent well designed gameplay wise

It had some neat ideas at least. The mushroom man probably takes the cake for the single wierdest weapon I have ever seen

[pine roost]

Only spent 8 hours playing it so I don’t get much of a chance to try lots of them out. Only ever played the sombra type one

[full burrow]

also never heard of marathon game until now

destiny is alright

[amber kelp]

who the fuck wants to get into a new bungie live service after 10 years of stupid shit with destiny?

[eager spire]

Marathon is apparently gonna be class based instead of a hero shooter now

[pine roost]

But it was the movement and ttk I was mostly in it for, and deadlock offers that now

With splitgate 2 hopefully after some changes to fill another void

[full burrow]

but the pve in desitny gets stale and the pvp is also very closed loop

[eager spire]

don't really know what a class based extraction shooter means, but.

[full burrow]

but destiny used to be my late night game when I wanted to shoot things but didnt need to try hard

[pine roost]

I’d assume like how delta force are doing it. Just some special abilities added to classes and maybe restrictions on carry able items

[full burrow]

Delta force extraction was ok

but the battlefield mode neeeds a ton of work before its even comparable

[eager spire]

the article i read said it'll have a "bungie twist".

which

doesn't mean anything, i think.

[full burrow]

maybe its like destiny classes or light/mid/heavy kind of character select set up

[pine roost]

The initial interviews made it sound like they wanted to incorporate the whole ‘destiny secrets’ thing, where they set up elaborate puzzles for the community to solve which unlocks stuff. And gave the example of a squad opening up some shortcut to other players and having their name marked down for it

Which doesn’t sound at all feasible

[full burrow]

who the fuck do they thing they are, victoria?

[pine roost]

Don’t know what you mean by that

But it’s a very destiny concept

Which might be their ‘bungie twist’?

[full burrow]

Victorias Secret

[pine roost]

Idk

[pine roost]

Still not following

[full burrow]

famous lingerie chain

but its not funny now 😦

[pine roost]

What on earth did that have to do with this conversation XD

[full burrow]

"destiny secrets"

i told you guys im hilarious, i cant help it

im also sleepy, undiagnosed and in withdrawl

so brain waves a little funny

[worthy inlet]

I want bungie to succeed, but there’s no way marathon is going to

[eager spire]

I'm withholding judgement

It seems like the internet collectively bullying them over making it a hero shooter made them change their minds about it

so.

it could be fine.

[worthy inlet]

It was never a hero shooter it was an extraction shooter from the start

Problem is I don’t think anyone wants that anymore

[eager spire]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/03/20/players-fear-bungies-marathon-may-be-a-hero-shooter-now/
https://www.ign.com/articles/bungie-shakes-up-marathon-leadership-removes-chris-barrett-as-game-director
https://insider-gaming.com/marathon-heroes/

[worthy inlet]

Players fear

[amber kelp]

a hero shooter is just a shooter with heroes, its not mutually exclusive with extraction shooter

[eager spire]

based on statements made by leadership at Bungie after Chris Barrett was removed as game director.

[worthy inlet]

It was initially announced as an extraction shooter like 2 years ago when it was teased

[eager spire]

yes

we know it's an extraction shooter.

I never said it wasn't.

However, they seem to have revised their phrasing from mentioning a playable cast of heroes to it being "class based".

[remote kiln]

well there it is cte confirmed

[sullen violet]

Is crossplay really that bad? I haven't had any issues myself at least. Also it gives you the option to play with your console friends 🤷