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#technology
wanton carbon
chrome skiff
it would fit perfectly in my case!
wanton carbon
is there a way to check how many hhd's/ssd's your pc can have in it as i think i might try and get an SSD for xmas that is like 1tb or something
chrome skiff
Your mobo has sata ports. If you have a open sata port /power sata then see if you have room in your case
storm osprey
if you know your mb you can just look it up
otherwise open up you case and physically count the ports
wanton carbon
oh yeah yeah i think i have about 2 or 3 more slots
sweet
need to try and find a ssd now loll
chrome skiff
newegg has good sales going now. Dunno if you use newegg or not
storm osprey
i think 4 sata ports is the min
storm osprey
do not get a wd grteen drive
get wd blue, make sure its 3d nand
or mx500 depending on price
compare prices with your stock within categories
wait, is this a main drive or nah?
wanton carbon
no
just for rust and probs the new cod
do not get a wd grteen drive
are they bad , i have an ssd from them already that has my windows install on it
storm osprey
i wouldnt get a wd green over a wd blue when the difference is probably 5-10 bucks
wanton carbon
oh wd blue ssd's look alright too
prime jasper
They’re good drives it’s mainly about prices
storm osprey
iirc green have less write cycle, id rather spend the few bucks more
chrome skiff
I think green drives have more power saving features built into them along with the write cycles but linus made a video even explaining the longevity wont matter to many users since not everyone benchmarks their drives 24/7 or moves huge files non stop. The sleep options can be countered in windows too. Id go for the black/blue but if green were like drastically cheaper id go for one. For games its fine
like sleep features
opaque saddle
I don’t think WD GREEN SSD is cheap to buy, as they don’t have DRAM inside, which means it has no ram cache and it will die faster as it is the way to work, In fact it’s the most expensive drive you might get due to “lower price”
opaque saddle
In terms of longevity, performance, warranty and the price points. You may be able to find a better ssd with DRAM with a few to 10 bucks extra
storm osprey
That’s what green vs blue basically is.
opaque saddle
I have to say tho, DRAMless SSD has given a really high price tag. Not only Green vs Blue. In real life, quite a few brandname DRAMless ssd has similar or higher price tag then normal SSD with dram
Like the BX500
storm osprey
I imagine that’s because they are newer.
storm osprey
Probably not since you can probably get a dram ssd for the same price.
opal gust
I’ve wanted to upgrade my graphics card on my pc since I got it currently I have 1050 card with fairly old components but I’m not sure what to upgrade to
An opinions?
prime ore
i think the 1060 6gb is good, kinda old tho
opal gust
I wanted to upgrade to a 2070 super but I wasn’t sure of the compatibility
prime ore
you are better off buying a new pc then
if you have an old motherboard and cpu that graphics card wont be compatible
opal gust
I can send the parts list on here so you can see it
prime ore
Just from part names i cant really see if they are compatible.
opaque saddle
@opal gust there is no compatibility issues with 2070 super. However please check if the card you wanted to get can fit into your case. (We ain’t sure how big is it). Because the new 3000 series GPU is out. Why wouldn’t you wait for 3060 if they have one?
If you have a spare 180 to spend a step further, is to replace your CPU (required to update bios)
prime jasper
I made a $1500 pc setup and I basically copied bitwits 3070 pcpartpicker list but I’ve tweaked it a bit. The other 500 is for things like keyboard, mouse, monitors, etc. honestly I’m pretty interested from the list I’ve made.
May save up for it idk
fuck I forgot to add a desk and a mousepad
ashen ether
There are no other PSU's available in this local store. Are non bronze 80+ still worth?
ashen ether
Like I said. There's no other option
prime jasper
I see
But why 500w? You going with a low end pc?
TURN AROUND
Every now and then I get a little bit lonely
And you're never coming round
ashen ether
I'm a first time builder. Went to the malls earlier to check stocks
prime jasper
Turn around) Every now and then I get a little bit nervous
That the best of all the years have gone by
(Turn around) Every now and then I get a little bit terrified
And then I see the look in your eyes
prime jasper
wow
@prime jasper i'm going for low end.
@ashen ether I didn’t say shit D calm down
you disrespect the bf4 community aye
ashen ether
@prime jasper $800 for total including periphs
prime jasper
Chill the fuck out both of you
ashen ether
Im only going for a 75hz monitor
prime jasper
Oh, sad
ashen ether
So, i was looking around earlier my plan is get a
R3 3100
B450
1650 super
prime jasper
800, i would go for a decent graphics card, and go low fir monitor and studd
ashen ether
16gb 3200mhz
prime jasper
stuff
prime jasper
dam
Well have you made a pcpartpicker list beforehand?
i could take a look for ya
ashen ether
And 3600 is overpriced
Yes, before I went to the mall i already had a list of what I will be looking for
prime jasper
well im crusing on the 3080
And what was the psu name in your list?
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080
ashen ether
I actually didnt buy anything eatlier. I'm still waiting for my money
@prime jasper was looking for an evga 500w 80+ bronze
prime jasper
well look after yourselfs guys, enjoy your night, whever your from if your not from austraila, where i am
night boys'
ashen ether
They didnt have any unfortunately
prime jasper
Shit well I say you’re out of luck. If anything just wait till they restock. I would never buy a non bronze 80+ it’s just too risky in my opinion.
ashen ether
Yea fortunately too my money isnt paid back to me yet
prime jasper
Damn
ashen ether
Probably getting the build next month
Otherwise I could have went all out without thinking twice earlier
prime jasper
Yeah but you would’ve definitely run into a shit ton of problems along the way if you went all out.
torn reef
can someone help me why my game is crashing when i am joining ballroom blitz monte grappa and some other maps
but its work on some map
prime ore
wich bf game?
torn reef
wich bf game?
@prime ore 1
prime ore
then i would not have an idea
chrome skiff
gore maybe repair your game files. if your pc is ok otherwise and its just bf1 id start there
prime jasper
Shit well I say you’re out of luck. If anything just wait till they restock. I would never buy a non bronze 80+ it’s just too risky in my opinion.
@prime jasper the +80 sticker legit means nothing
silverstone is a reputable brand
and its just simply +80 white
which is fine for 500w
storm osprey
sticker means something, idk anyone recommending silverstone psus either
prime jasper
dont think anyone would when you can get better ones for a bit more money
but they're not bad psus at all
storm osprey
which ones? because i can almost guarantee silverstone doesnt make their own psus (like 90% of the psu brands out there)
so their no generalization of their lineup
prime jasper
the sfx is series is pretty good
overall i would only buy them if there was nothing else since a evga br series psu is cheap and also good
and no silverstone dont make their own psus
as u said like 90% of psu brands
storm osprey
you can normally spend like 10 bucks more and get a much better unit
and whats wrong with tier list? no its not gospel but there arent many people going out making tier lists
prime jasper
you can always get a better unit if u pay a bit more
and i just personally dont like tier lists
storm osprey
the point is that you can pay a little more and get a lot better reasonably, this isnt some infinite scenario
theres clearly a point of diminishing returns, and personally not liking tier list is anecdotal and for what reason do you not like tier list?
storm osprey
🤷
storm osprey
water god damnit
molten bramble
#NotWrong
storm osprey
corsair has some really good psus but some really bad ones too
molten bramble
Even the link you posted would seem to disagree with that, only one bad one noted.
glossy plinth
comin from eprsonal experience
molten bramble
I've had great success with several in their lineup, certainly better than the BFG, EVGA, and Cooler Master in other applications.
storm osprey
in that post theres a several bad psus
molten bramble
Also tried Antec and Thermaltake
glossy plinth
@prime jasper get a AX1500i
storm osprey
looking at it again theres an even split of good, mediocre, and bad
molten bramble
No, there is an even split of lesser capability based on platform. That doesn't make them bad, that makes them applicable to the scenario.
storm osprey
but im almost willing to bet the highly rated psus are stupid expensive and you can get similar quality for cheaper
glossy plinth
i know that Apevia makes some really bad psus
molten bramble
"minor issues" is ambiguous and likely comes down to preferences.
Literally the only one listed as "bad".
storm osprey
i wouldnt consider tier c, d and e as minor issues
c tier starts at "cheap low end systems"
d is recommended for igpu only builds
glossy plinth
i heard that only corsair's CX line is really bad
molten bramble
Yes, we can read.
glossy plinth
but rest are pretty good
molten bramble
That doesn't make them bad, lol.
That makes them bad for YOUR application perhaps.
storm osprey
under the assumption this is for a gaming build anything under igpu is bad
molten bramble
That site/thread isn't about gaming builds though, it's about builds.
storm osprey
and c tier is good enough if you want a 1650
its kind of hard to say an LTT forum is for office pcs...
molten bramble
For example--an iGPU machine in SFF would be just fine with a low-end PSU to run my external cameras. Why would I need a 2080Ti for that application?
You need to set aside the bias and look at the list for what it is.
storm osprey
its also hard to assume i have the bias when im not the one that has had several corsair psus
molten bramble
I literally named off multiple brands I've had.
You're arguing for the sake of arguing now. Poor form.
storm osprey
isnt that ironic since i just gave 1 response back towards you in regards to bias?
molten bramble
No, it's not.
storm osprey
i think most would agree it is
glossy plinth
if you think seasonic psus are better than corsair
molten bramble
I suspect they wouldn't.
glossy plinth
you should prob visit a doctor
molten bramble
seasonic psus are better
@prime jasper Eh?
storm osprey
if you think seasonic psus are better than corsair
@glossy plinth its very likely the good corsair psus are made by seasonic...
glossy plinth
wait
prime jasper
they are
storm osprey
seasonic is literally one of the few manufacturers and they commonly provide the good psus to other brands...
molten bramble
corsairs overpriced
@prime jasper Pretty cheap prices for them here, where are you buying from?
glossy plinth
ive been ruined
prime jasper
not talking about psus in this case
overall their products are overpriced a lot
the psu prices are good tho
glossy plinth
corsair still superior
prime jasper
in the uk anyway
wanton carbon
overall their products are overpriced a lot
keyboards cough cough
prime jasper
their aios
glossy plinth
eh
storm osprey
ehh, i bet i can pick a tier in psu and id almost bet corsair is towards the more expensive end
molten bramble
I really tried to like their keyboards, but I am not a fan. Feels too clunky. This Logitech G Pro X I have is solid and has good key response without too much chatter. Different strokes I guess.
wanton carbon
i like my keyboard i have rn too
molten bramble
I do wish it had the ten-key though... that's annoying.
prime jasper
i dont like some of logitechs keyboards
glossy plinth
logitech only makes good mices
glossy plinth
everything else is like horse poop
prime jasper
i dont really see the deal with gaming mouses
glossy plinth
optical switches <3
prime jasper
this $10 one of ebay does the job in gaming
storm osprey
gaming keyboards in general are way too overpriced
prime jasper
agreed
molten bramble
I've enjoyed this G703 with the exception of the coating--it's wearing away too quickly and weirdly.
glossy plinth
dunno about that
storm osprey
commonly spend 100+ for laser etched keycaps and plastic builds
glossy plinth
corsair prices their keyboards better than other brands
wanton carbon
some arent
glossy plinth
even got mines at a good price
wanton carbon
some of their keyboard are like 220 pounds
storm osprey
which corsair keyboard is well priced?
storm osprey
thats 110 bucks...
glossy plinth
like razer huntsman elite
prime jasper
this guys probably managed toget himself a corsair cpu
glossy plinth
looks shitty and overpriced
fallen harbor
everything else is like horse poop
horse poop doesnt smell that bad
storm osprey
razer huntsman elite has optical switches and iirc doubleshot keycaps
wanton carbon
like razer huntsman elite
the huntsman elite is peng
glossy plinth
stale
storm osprey
looks roughly the same as corsair
glossy plinth
you need some glasses my guy
storm osprey
its a gaming keyboard, 90% of them are black rectangles with rgb
prime jasper
corsair just thinnk the better the rgb the better the keyboard itself
glossy plinth
corsair is superior
storm osprey
damn the huntsman even has abs keycaps
prime jasper
no i think hp is past corsair
glossy plinth
design looking like from 1990s
but black
well i think we can all agree that corsair is #1
wanton carbon
idk if its just me but that looks shit imo
glossy plinth
looks like shit in picture but way better when you have it irl
molten bramble
I've seen it IRL, it looks shit there as well. Personal opinion though.
glossy plinth
like
from what ive seen
literally no other brand makes good keyboards except corsair
molten bramble
The only redeeming quality about it is the macro buttons.
literally no other brand makes good keyboards except corsair
@glossy plinth That's just patently false.
prime jasper
good trolling session
wanton carbon
this looks more neat
prime jasper
agreedf
molten bramble
It's clean, but suffers the same issue as my Logitech.
prime jasper
which is
glossy plinth
you cannot tell me that is better than corsair's
molten bramble
Lack of ten-key.
prime jasper
@glossy plinth that is better than corsairs
glossy plinth
only good thing about razer is their mices
molten bramble
For some people, that's fine, but several of the games or applications I've used recently require ten-key or a re-map.
glossy plinth
their headsets and keyboards looks whack
molten bramble
The number pad on the right side of the keyboard?
prime jasper
oh
glossy plinth
i use full sized cause i like it heavy
molten bramble
ten-key is the common term, applies to desktop calculators/adding machines as well.
glossy plinth
get a 60% keyboard
prime jasper
whats that
molten bramble
So if you see a job description requiring ten-key as a skillset, you'll know what they're on about.
glossy plinth
too bad corsair doesnt make 60%
molten bramble
@prime jasper Lets make sure we don't use that language on this server.
storm osprey
the only thing i would consider buying corsair is psu, and thats on sale because you can normally get a seasonic psu for cheaper
molten bramble
We moved on to keyboards.
wanton carbon
i like corsair as a brand tbf , but their peripherals no
glossy plinth
we already established that corsair keyboards take the crown
wanton carbon
no
molten bramble
lol
storm osprey
statement above boils down to i wouldnt buy a corsair keyboard
molten bramble
I don't think that's what happened.
glossy plinth
pretty sure thats what happened
molten bramble
Cool story.
storm osprey
corsair is low tier meme brand for gamers basically
glossy plinth
every other brand bein gangsta until corsair comes in with a new product
molten bramble
lol
storm osprey
they seem good until you learn things and then figure out they are commonly good products but overpriced
their mice and keyboard division imo are bordering bad though
storm osprey
i like that even you admit their mice are bad
storm osprey
i felt bad because i recommended corsair mice and every one of them fucked up somehow within a year
anecdotal but damn, id rather not support that
molten bramble
I mean, you recommended the G403 and that search led me to the G703 and I've been happy.
Haven't had an issue with it, so there is some balance for you.
storm osprey
i went to logitech after corsair
molten bramble
the one thing I regret purchasing is the Powerpad.
This thing has been a pain in the ass.
storm osprey
whats wrong with it
molten bramble
Damn thing loses sync with the wireless mouse so I ended up just saying fuck it and leave it plugged in.
I am going to try the firmware update and see if that unfucks the problem.
storm osprey
thats disappointing considering the pad was what, 100 bucks?
molten bramble
Something like that
The mouse itself has been flawless functionally, just the pad had some sort of transreceiver issue.
wanton carbon
"one thing i am actually worrying about is if this powersupply is gonna be enough"
"shows the 1600 watt psu box"
torn reef
gore maybe repair your game files. if your pc is ok otherwise and its just bf1 id start there
@chrome skiff maybe its my pc because i have intel hd 530
granite kestrel
Who here knows about USB protocols
Let's say I have a USB-C device that needs 3.1 to fully function. Let's also say I don't have any USB-C input on my PC. Let's say I do however have a USB-A 3.1
Getting a C -> A adapter would be needed.
Would this adapter need to be 3.1, or would a 3.0 be good enough?
glossy plinth
ping @storm osprey
storm osprey
the fuck idk this stuff
wanton carbon
opaque saddle
@granite kestrel you need 3.1. As you said you need 3.1 to be fully functioning
If it’s USB mouse/keyboard device, it’s fine as long as it’s USB2 or faster. However, if it’s more demanding, such as, external drive, then the speed will be capped at USB 3.0 speed ( depending on how fast is it, I have a SATA SSD connected to USB 3.0 and therefore getting 250MB/S speed, instead of 500MB/S. It works but won’t be at full speed)
chrome skiff
@chrome skiff maybe its my pc because i have intel hd 530
@torn reef oh that can definitely be it :/ sorry
latent light
Core-to-core latency in Ryzen matters only during a L3 cache miss when the data exists in a "sibling" L3 cache. If you have a cache hit, you never leave the CCD so no impact on performance. If data is not in any cache at all, you have to wait for the RAM like usual. You want as much useful data in the L3 cache as possible because those cache misses are one of the biggest problems for performance. If you were to evenly spread out the cores in a CCD, each core has more L3 cache to work with compared to a CCD with all cores enabled. So while you may have a little bit extra headroom when threads are moved between cores, if they actually keep running the same cores for a little while, they will actually tend to be a little faster than the "crowded" cores because they don't have to compete with as many other cores for the cache.
latent light
Oh god
prime jasper
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
how can u fail that hard
That block was not on at all
With that leak 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
wanton carbon
lol
peak mural
that nearly made me cry
primal pier
That thing failed nnn
slate ivy
Anyone using G-Hub with a DE-QWERTZ Keyboard: Are you unable to change the light color of the < key aswell or is my keyboard just busted? the vanilla inlucded profiles are find so im wondering if it just somehow doesnt properly regonize the < key. Works fine on my G810 but doesnt on the Pro X
prime ore
I only us g-hub for my mouse and i have a normal europian keyboard with qwerty
so i wouldnt know
woeful sparrow
a
mild siren
My g hub stopped recognising my g502 hero
And when I decided to reinstall its stuck at installing after launching installer
manic solar
slate ivy
g hub is a buggy piece sometimes, when i have to coldboot my pc its breaks and i hve to completely reinstall it
fallen harbor
my friend has a ryzen 7 3700x on an x570 and sometimes when he starts up his pc, his processor will only run up to a speed of 500mhz and wont go beyond that unless he restarts the computer. Does anybody have any idea on why that might happen by any chance?
hazy veldt
slate rivet
what you broke now baby 
fallen harbor
what
wanton carbon
long time no see ando
fallen harbor
ola
lilac delta
Anyone knows decent wireless gaming earbuds?
glossy plinth
airpods
storm osprey
@lilac delta arctis 7
literally the only wireless gaming headset that ive heard people like, even some audiophiles
lilac delta
My 20 dollar in ears are better and louder than my 150 dollars logitech G935 wireless so I would use them wired then.
supple bane
i still cant recommended in ears for long term use, they are really bad for you imo
lilac delta
Don't need surround and DTS 2 if you have earphones I think
If I use dolby atmos, I need to use 'performance mode' in game tab or detailed EQ or...?
wanton carbon
i still cant recommended in ears for long term use, they are really bad for you imo
urmm i sleep with my earpods in
should probs stop that shouldnt i ?
supple bane
how the fuck even
wanton carbon
i listen to podcasts to help me sleep lolll
supple bane
after like 30 minutes with earbuds in my ear aches like crazy
yeah you dont need headphones to do that lmao
believe it or not, your phone has speakers on it
wanton carbon
tbf neither do i
opaque saddle
the things i bought with my money will always be in a good shape, like my desktop
but things that people gave me breaks easily, possibly well used and worn
opaque saddle
@bleak vector Please stay on topic, thank you
prime jasper
i9 9900k chillin with a £450 price tag
wonder what the 10th generation costs
let me check
oof
£589
very high innit
latent light
Bri'ish 'umor innit moite
storm osprey
i hate innit..
wanton carbon
ennit fam
wanton carbon
can hz lower fps ?
prime jasper
No lol
coarse nimbus
but can a psu increase my hz?
storm osprey
It’s Amd’s chance and honestly I don’t see them grasping it.
ashen ether
Went to local store
No 3300x
Will the 3100 be good for bf5 and bf6?
The 3600 costs around $210 lol
Not budget friendly for my $800 whole build budget
toxic pendant
nimble shadow
latent light
chrome skiff
as soon as it launched i went right to the combo deals and got a cpu mobo combo
storm osprey
looks like 5600x is really similar in performance to 10600k... and 10600k is cheaper especially if you go with kf
chrome skiff
Id also say that plateau of a couple of those games being on a 2080ti. Both teams have faster gpus so id wait to see how it handles those cards at high refresh
storm osprey
yea its weird seeing 2080ti and 3070 in there
these cpus destroy at csgo and valorant though
but it seems like most things it has a slight lead and sometimes intel wins with 10600k, though when 10600k wins its baaaarely
chrome skiff
Also just launching, amd will eventually come out with something bios related and the oc's on those chips should be great. We have no idea what ram he is using. I dont think those numbers make the chips look bad by any means but its an odd list regardless with a 2080ti and 1080p
coarse nimbus
Csgo being a benchmark game still 
storm osprey
some reviews are already saying OC is bad, seems like thats the common trend lately
well ryzen wasnt ever really worth a manual oc before either
chrome skiff
amd says all core speed is irrelevant and its how the cpu boost the cores it needs to game. So lighter games get better single core but game like bfv drop to its all core speed. depends on the game with amd
No people want single core performance or an all core oc. Amd cpus have ccd's I have 1 ccd at 4.3 at 1.117 volts and 1 ccx at 4.6 at 1.25volts. People dont try to put the effort in. Plus the umc on amd is amazing and you can get a lot of performance out of ram tuning
3733 cl 13 14 14 my systems single core is 531which is close to intels 10900 series
in r20
coarse nimbus
Ah yes the ccx and ccd ..of course
chrome skiff
I mean overclockng can be free performance why not make the best of it? My all core is 4.3 and gaming its usually 4.6 and on games like bfv its fluctuates between 4.3 loading in and in game its normally 4.6
storm osprey
sounds like the effort is pretty daunting compared to a standard cpu oc which is probably part of the reason i commonly heard its not worth OCing
chrome skiff
I mean most people ocing cpus put an offset/voltage and a multiplier. Intel oc's dont often talk about ring oc's and amd has a ton of thing you can do to tune the cpu. I dont expect everyone to do it but there is a lot of performance in how 3000 and now 5000 series can be tuned.
storm osprey
dont see gpu on this list but 5600x in general seems like a small step up over 10600k, sometimes matching 10900k but not always
the gap between 10600k and 10900k was never that big that people recommended a 10900k over 10600k for just gaming anyway
coarse nimbus
So for an extra$40 you get some more performance maybe?
storm osprey
So for an extra$40 you get some more performance maybe?
@coarse nimbus or you can be LTT and lie and say the 10600k is 300...
chrome skiff
I agree its where i looked too. I almost said well here were go this can be a 1060 for all we know (jking)
coarse nimbus
Kek
storm osprey
even though it hasnt been 300 for idk how long
storm osprey
and msrp is 260?
coarse nimbus
But can you buy it for that price xd
storm osprey
yea currently its 267
wonder what 10600kf costs..
277 so nvm xD
intel mb's are more expensive though
static sleet
Okay so i'm planning to get GTX 1650 SUPER, is it any good? and no dont tell me to save up for upcoming new card, my budget is limited
storm osprey
generally
chrome skiff
its 274 on newegg and you get avengers if that matters
storm osprey
so the price increase for 5600x in general sounds relative to its performance increase?
damn its like i called that long ago
static sleet
what do you define good? It will play battlefield 60fps roughly 1080p
@chrome skiff i gonna use it Esp to play red dead 2, also sadly my monitor max is 1367x768 so is it gonna be good to play red dead 2 on perhaps ultra? or high settings at decent fps?
chrome skiff
if you play like low or medium it will be like an 80fps card
With that resolution? Should be fine. You have to understand the game though rd2 at 1080p drop under 60 fps sometimes with a 2080ti. So if you keep your expectations in check
I wouldnt expect a rdr 2 60 fps experience
static sleet
so with that resolution what fps you expect? with that card
chrome skiff
So rd2 change what its presets are. You ultra presets might be different to someone else. I think you will play high or ultra and be close to 60fps
static sleet
Nice, also one last thing. may i discuss it with you in dms? so i can get back to it easily?
chrome skiff
If you have to sure
static sleet
Thanks, going in
chrome skiff
I dont the 5600x is a bad cpu but again
If you tune even a 3600 is it worth the price increase? Not to mention like we dont have 5000 series support on x470 yet. You can get top of the line x470s for 100-150 bucks
storm osprey
3600 is what? 190 right now too?
chrome skiff
mhm
so thats 30% increase just over the cpu
with 20% gains then again you can get stupid cheap old mobos
and thats stock for stock. Oc'd i think that video shows its not really that big
ofc farcry is like a huge performance difference but its always been like that
well 30% increase in cost and well out of stock for 99% of people lol
and again you have to have a b550/x570 right now cause there isnt bios for x470 or b450 that support 5000 series yet
storm osprey
watch 11th gen is just going to go back to normal intel vs amd scenario
but now intel has a logical reason to increase their i5 line above 300...
opaque saddle
the reason i bought amd is because intel builds desktop became unaffordable
storm osprey
well with ryzen 5000 series thats not the case
opaque saddle
the price is up
storm osprey
yea the more i read reviews and talk about this the less excited i am about 5000 launch...
chrome skiff
intel unfortunately stays expensive though. Amd will eventually drop they always do
chrome skiff
Lmfao
opaque saddle
like 50% price increased (3600 $199 at launch vs 5600X $299 at launch) for 25% all cores/33.7% single core RAW performance
chrome skiff
thats synthetically though. Some games show it but other games not so much. I just linked a video showing both cpus tuned and the gaps arent huge. Well apples to apples the 3600x was 250 bucks
opaque saddle
its like the case where people thinking getting a 2700x or 3600 for similar price. people always go for newer tech so 
when the intel 11th gen desktop processors came out will be the time amd getting price undercut her competitor
storm osprey
that would be nice, or launch the 5600
opaque saddle
and one more thing very important
storm osprey
assuming same situation as 3600 vs 3600x, the 5600 will be cheaper perform basically the same
opaque saddle
coz the new consoles came up the price will stay relatively high for a longer period
chrome skiff
But 2700x werent out of stock in the first 15 seconds. Also intel shifted their price though i7 10700k 378 msrp on launch? To amds 5800x? at 449
opaque saddle
I have spoken to the people who actually imported Intel processors from the a branded computer store. He said Intel has their MSRP set and ruled the retailer not to give discounts to customers
chrome skiff
Plus this is the first gen there is a compatibility issue at launch. 3000 series cpus launched with x370 and x470 support. 5000 series is only b550 x570 for noiw
opaque saddle
well if you can get it tho
chrome skiff
what specs
opaque saddle
its difficult
chrome skiff
I ordered my 5950x and mobo combo this morning. I skipped the individual cpus
chrome skiff
Oh i mean you arent in a bad spot where you....."need" too lol
storm osprey
yea, i kind of just want a reason to
opaque saddle
unless you can wait for earlier next year
sometimes it doesnt worth waiting for a few months for only 20-30 bucks off for a high end processor
chrome skiff
Well if you have gsync it also helps keep you in the game for those just incase drops
storm osprey
well theres definitely no reason to upgrade with a gtx 1080
chrome skiff
depends but i know what you mean
storm osprey
so im just gonna stick to getting a new gpu when i can and then look into cpu at that point
god knows how long it is till i get a gpu..
chrome skiff
would you go amd or you kinda sticking to nvidia?
opaque saddle
usually be 6 months for new gpu
storm osprey
stuck with nvidia because of gsync
opaque saddle
for the wait
chrome skiff
Wait your panel doesnt do the g/free sync?
storm osprey
only panels released after 2019 iirc that have gsync also support freesync
i got my panel in 2016
chrome skiff
I had an asus 1440p that was free/gsync once they roled out the suport. I wasnt in the need of gsync at the time though and still not really
storm osprey
when nvidia announced freesync compatible it wasnt retroactive
chrome skiff
Well it was? They listed a ton of monitors that were freesync now gsync compatible
once they said about the free/gsync stuff they had a list of monitors that would be supported
opaque saddle
adaptive sync you meant?
it kinda works but you have to do it manually. it doesnt work automatically
storm osprey
last i recall the retroactive list was small and talking about panels that recently came out
chrome skiff
This panels tn version was first but then ips came literally days after
This is my old panel
storm osprey
everything im finding now (though not a lot) says my monitor doesnt support freesync since i have the gsync module
opaque saddle
i got this one and now mainly using the 34" ultrawide 1440p
opaque saddle
it was a 260 USD IPS 1440p panel
chrome skiff
I mean thats pulling the short straw but i feel that nvidia supporting both amd would too. Strange
storm osprey
nvidia supports both post their announcement
chrome skiff
any chance there is a firmware update?
storm osprey
apparently something about gsync monitors having the gsync module stops it from supporting freesync
so there are different types of gsync
chrome skiff
One of those good ole marketing things right?
storm osprey
ive borderline thought about selling my monitor to get an ips freesync monitor
my tv supports freesync too
chrome skiff
Thats a shame my monior just says adaptive and when i turn it on my 5700xt reads freesync in wattman and my 2080ti reads gsync in control panel
storm osprey
i guess i can do a firmware update, see if i know anyone local with an amd gpu and test it out
because atm i would get a 6800xt over a 3080
chrome skiff
yeah I have some friends lining up the 6900xt and im ready to have a full team red pc. Last time i had a team red pc was 7950s
I have an lg 1440p nano cell ips and they go on sale for 399 a lot. its 27 inch and does both free and gsync. Its one of the most color accurate monitors i had and i came from an asus 1440p ips
recommended it to friends and i havent heard any complaints
only 144hz idk if 165 matters lol but range is 30hz-144 so it feels good all the time
chrome skiff
27gn850-b yeah
or thats normal ips I think nano cell is different. it does have an anti glare film on it that seems off putting but once you give it an honest try its not noticeable and it doesn't affect colors
and supports 10bit color depth at 144hz etc
storm osprey
im using a dell s2716dg which is tn
so anything is an upgrade
granted this is one of the better tn panels
chrome skiff
gotcha yeah that would be huge. ips came such a long way and its 1ms at "fast setting" with like 0 drop off. you can push it to .5ms but it becomes greyer on my panel
so I got what it was rated for 1ms ips 144hz
opaque saddle
it is really dark
chrome skiff
what is?
chrome skiff
I feel monitor is plenty bright it just isn't bright enough to support hdr content well but its only rated for hdr 400.
storm osprey
well i turned my tn panel down to 25% because it was too bright
even in the dark it still gets too bright
glossy plinth
never knew nyphon had a tn panel
storm osprey
well almost 5 years ago not getting a tn panel was expensive af and had bad response times
ips have really come along in the past 2ish years
chrome skiff
I went 1080p 1ms to 1440p 4ms and i didnt really notice it, but once i went from 4ms back to 1ms i felt it like big time
glossy plinth
i went from a 1440p ips panel to a 1080p tn panel
chrome skiff
interesting
prime jasper
Is 144hz really a big jump from 60
chrome skiff
yes
storm osprey
yes
glossy plinth
are ips panels really worth it
storm osprey
yes
storm osprey
thats only one aspect
ips above
tn above
so its not like prices are even a big difference
chrome skiff
Yeah the colors on ips are just great vs tn and now with 1ms and all the other bells and whistles it would be hard to not recommend one
chrome skiff
I mean the lg i recommended is like 93%? Its up there idk the exact number
glossy plinth
we can prob all agree benq makes ugliest monitors
storm osprey
meh, i like mute designs and benq/asus make "gamerfied" products but i dont care about that really
chrome skiff
Oh speaking of ugly the lg monitor has a gargantuan stand attatched to it. It will invade poland if you let it
storm osprey
performance per dollar is always my go to
lilac delta
HyperX Cloud Earbuds also good for PC?
lilac delta
In-ears
chrome skiff
I live in a different universe. I don't think at my pc when gaming I can do wireless or ear buds
storm osprey
why do you want earbuds?
glossy plinth
hes a mobile gamer
lilac delta
Headphones only have more drivers which doesn't mean better quality and they are less comfortable
storm osprey
what headphones are you using?
chrome skiff
me?
storm osprey
mathie
lilac delta
Logitech G935 wireless but currently I am using in-ears of 20 dollars
lilac delta
I would prefer earbuds wireless but I found none with decent battery life
lilac delta
It's good headset but I find headphones a bit heavy and uncomfortable for long game sessions
storm osprey
hyper x earbuds are 40 bucks?!
lilac delta
Alright 🙂
storm osprey
fuck that get koss kph30i
storm osprey
kph30i with yaxi pad is comfortable af
wanton carbon
i got some headphones
glossy plinth
it looks shit tho
wanton carbon
well i ordered them
glossy plinth
looks like the a different version of burger king headphones
storm osprey
glossy plinth
i just posted one that is far superior than the koss kph30i
storm osprey
nah
glossy plinth
like
theres 2 sides nyphon
theres the shit stuff and theres the good stuff
i think you already know which headset goes into which side
storm osprey
and corsair is the shit stuff
glossy plinth
r u ok
glossy plinth
i found this 90 dollar gaming chair
with that price i bet it'll snap in half within days
chrome skiff
Oh lort cheap chairs and cheap headphones. I have to avert my eyes >.<
mild siren
Is a 2nd monitor handy?
glossy plinth
since everything is gonna be cheaper and pc parts
mild siren
Asking people who have one
glossy plinth
my budget gamer friend gonna be like
storm osprey
depends what you want
glossy plinth
"haha imagine having a more expensive shitty pc than me"
chrome skiff
So the more expensive the shittier things get?
glossy plinth
i dunno
ever since he got his 85 inch tv
he compared it to my 75 inch tv said
"i have a better tv but your is more old and shity"
chrome skiff
Then get a projector if you are worried about size
glossy plinth
literally $4000 tv and compares it to his $1000 tv
chrome skiff
and i have 200 dollar 40 inch tvs?
glossy plinth
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mild siren
That’s in the same region as saying consoles are shittier than a 2000$ dedicated gaming pc
glossy plinth
@chrome skiff how much $ is considered expensive gaming chair
chrome skiff
I got a 200 dollar staples hyken for my woman and she said its the best ergonomic chair she ever had
glossy plinth
duh fuck
chrome skiff
My chair is.... nvm...
glossy plinth
like
wanton carbon
mesh chairs looks horrible
they dont look that bad , most look flimsy tho
glossy plinth
all mesh chairs looks shit
storm osprey
oh yea, water bases things on looks
chrome skiff
I mean maybe at 90 bucks you get a flimsy mesh chair idk
chrome skiff
The hyken is like known for its quality and price range. Plus mesh keeps my ass nice and cool. You wouldnt wanna get swamp ass would you?
storm osprey
i live in arizona, and thats the biggest reason we both went with mesh chairs
coarse nimbus
Gamer ass 
glossy plinth
chrome skiff
or gamer ass yeah
glossy plinth
far superior than a mesh chair
chrome skiff
he just said 90 bucks right
Who said 90 bucks for a chair then this guy whips out a secret labs
glossy plinth
ryzen 5000 series came out
chrome skiff
most of the chairs would come with tools alan key crappy wrench and a guide on how to build it
We talked about it much earlier. I got my 5950x inbound they didnt cancel it on me so im in the clear
glossy plinth
damn you already ordered one
ive spent the entire day looking for good gaming chairs
storm osprey
the top end 5000s seems pretty good, im just disappointed with the 5600x
chrome skiff
are you actually buying a 500 dollar chair water? If so id recommend a Steelcase leap when they go on sale. that chair has an 8 year warranty and you can buy parts for it to fix if something breaks afterwards
storm osprey
because its barely better than 10600k but it costs more
supple bane
wut
storm osprey
so the performance increase is basically relative to its price increase
supple bane
its faster than the 10900k?
supple bane
dude from what i heard its faster than the 10900k more times than not
storm osprey
its not like people were recommending the 10900k over 10600k for gaming in the first place...
glossy plinth
i hope the new amd graphics cards have stable drivers
supple bane
glossy plinth
hey look its granty
supple bane
storm osprey
wow 1 fps
storm osprey
csgo and valorant being extreme outliers
supple bane
wanton carbon
gta v IS OLDDDD
glossy plinth
they should test it on newer games
chrome skiff
gta v is good for proce to performance
glossy plinth
like Bright Memory
storm osprey
if those are ltt screeens im being skeptical about him since he said msrp of 10600k is 300 bucks
supple bane
my point is, the 5600x is NOT slightly faster than the 10600k
the 5600x is slightly faster/on par to the 10900k
wanton carbon
does anyone know what graphics settings the new consoles will be playing , a few friends in school claim its max settings
supple bane
i dont believe that.. just putting that out there
glossy plinth
prettty surei ts max settings @wanton carbon
storm osprey
outside of select scenarios on average its barely better
supple bane
maybe its right, but rn im sticking to my guns
chrome skiff
im on mobile if you wanna repost the YouTube vid I linked
storm osprey
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H9l6bk0Suw
wanton carbon
prettty surei ts max settings @wanton carbon
wtf
glossy plinth
send LTT vids
storm osprey
@supple bane theres a lot more sources showing 5600x competes with 10600k than outright destroying it
lilac delta
Razer Hammerhead duo or pro V2 for gaming in ears ?
storm osprey
again, for just gaming the differences between 10600k and 10900k were small to begin with, so 5600x beating a 10900k isnt some huge deal
glossy plinth
razer hammerhead
cause it looks really cool
looks like the gamer version of airpods
lilac delta
The wireless version yes but I doubt wireless earbuds are useful today for PC gaming since input lag and battery life is shorty as well
storm osprey
imagine if 10600kf were in stock for msrp
near rune
Why do you want earbuds for pc
Headphones are more comfortable and have better sound quality and bass
lilac delta
For me, in ears are way more comfortable than headphones and that's the only reason for me to take them since sound quality is basically the same and all headphones seem to be heavy and uncomfortable both on ear and over ear 😦
For example I returned logitech wireless 935 and still prefer to use simple wired in ears
Headphones might even have problems to produce high frequencies and more drivers than 12-20 mm is pretty useless
They offer the same (surround 5.7 OR 7.1, DTX 2) like any others but that's not useful with headphones.... barely hear the difference, only more unbalanced sounds even after EQ'ing
Battery life is 4-5 h for wireless earbuds atm, if they would charge in like 15-30 min I would use them but this is not succifient if you game 10-12 h a day
storm osprey
there are plenty of comfortable headphones, on ear or over ear (which you didnt mention)
i cant comprehend how driver size affects anything with producing frequencies other than smaller having a hard time with bass
but thats only a single factor in how audio sounds
surround in headphones is a joke, those are almost ALL virtual surround
most purists agree that EQ any audio quality is bad, especially at a digital level
buy the headphones for the sound signature you want
storm osprey
fuck yea, if the sapphire card is even close to the pulse for the 5000 series its gonna be good
chrome skiff
only 270 gigs? baaaa We have 100tb ssds
wanton carbon
i will hopefully have an ssd to put it on
storm osprey
what everyone expected in every title
latent light
Ryzen 5 5600X is 38% faster than the i5-10600K in CS:GO
coarse nimbus
I was just asking myself when can I get 700 fps in csgo with my 60hz monitor
storm osprey
i mean, its something for the pro csgo players that can actually benefit from it
latent light
Esports teams still gonna use Intel because sponsors lol
storm osprey
ah true
latent light
Even tho Ryzen is now clearly the better choice
latent light
wanton carbon
does anyone have experience with rust ?
idk if its lag but its like im stuttering all the time in game
zealous inlet
prob because of computer
wanton carbon
ffs
wanton carbon
fuck 1440p
storm osprey
coarse nimbus
thats low effort
lofty light
prime ore
ah yes intel inetragted graphics
near rune
Inetragted
chrome skiff
I had a stroke reading that
vestal prism
Do you guys think the 3070 Asus is just as good as the 3070 founders
Like should I wait for the founders 3070 to drop again or just get the 3070 asus
lilac delta
Anyone using logitech g935 wireless and how to make headphone less tighten over ears (too much tension/pressure)? (my head is bigger than avarage)
lofty light
Basically just opening up the top sadly
That headset is comfortable for me but generally probably not great for larger heads
slate ivy
@lilac delta put them over your monitor overnight so they "bend" themselves open, after about 4 nights or so they should feel better, did that both with my V-Moda M100 and V-Moda Crossfades and it worked like a charm
lilac delta
Is it normal my ear is touching the headphones a bit even tough it's called over ear?
slate ivy
yes its the same for me
i dont know the englisch name but the part of the ear where earings go trough is completely pressed down by the over ear cussions
lilac delta
Hard to tell difference between 7.1/DTS 2 headphones and stereo in-ears tbh
I like in-ears because of the comfort since headphones give me headache and are not comfortable at all
slate ivy
Inears i use at work
storm osprey
surround is virtual, its just crossfade
slate ivy
for meetings and shit i have Mi Buds S, for "portable" music i have oneplus bullets wireless z and for gaming i have the vmoda crossfade 2
storm osprey
a pair of headphones with good imagine and resolution would have better "surround sound" anyway
lilac delta
Anything more comfortable than PRO X WIRELESS logitech?
storm osprey
easily
sennheiser make incredibly comfortable headphones
though clamp force might be high at first they break in over time
turbid verge
coarse nimbus
How much are they asking for this
storm osprey
im gonna call 1k
coarse nimbus
Not sure if that's a bigger waste of money or the rog $630 3070 
wanton carbon
wanton carbon
sent this to nyphon XD
fallen harbor
im dark blue
wanton carbon
im light blue and white
prime jasper
I'm Red
wanton carbon
i would never use red , green . or orange in a pc
molten coral
white
wanton carbon
white is peng
near rune
Green saves power, then there shouldnt even be any rgb then
coarse nimbus
you know how people use pennies on a floor then pour epoxy over them to seal it, since pennies are so worthless? thats basically where we are at with intel cpus now?
chrome skiff
I mean their true value might not be much but they still cost a lot. I would still be really stunned if i saw someone using them as floor detail
red lion
Hey guys, can someone explain me why my bfv run in ultra settings, but can't run well on the low settings?
warm blade
it's strange but why do you need low settings? if it runs in ultra settings so use them
storm osprey
intel is cheaper, but not that much cheaper, its a weird spot atm which im sure they dont care (intel)
storm osprey
they were, now they actually cost more per fps than 10600k
sorry, i keep forgetting to mention that im looking at 1440p
but intel needs aftermarket cooler
its weird
amd clearly wins, theres no mistaking that, but the exaggerated "amd dominates intel" story line is a bit much
prime ore
i think it is mostly about the price you pay for amd, you get good performance for a few bucks less, intel is powerful but also very expencive
storm osprey
you know that changed with 5000 series right?
5600x is the cheapest amd cpu, pitted against the intel 10600k
5600x is 300
10600k is 260
10600kf msrp is 240ish
but now 5600x gets better performance
supple bane
Hey guys, can someone explain me why my bfv run in ultra settings, but can't run well on the low settings?
@red lion sounds like a cpu bottleneck
what are your specs ?
wanton carbon
that actually looks so cool
coarse nimbus
i thought 5000 series wasnt coming with a cooler?
chrome skiff
The low tier cpus still do. Its like 5900x 5950x i think 5800x that dont. The 3700x, 3800x,3900x did last gen. But this gen they dont. The 5600x and similar chips still do
red lion
what are your specs ?
@supple bane Ryzen 5 1600
Gtx 1660 Ti
8gb ram
storm osprey
wait so 5800x vs 10700k, 5800x is roughly 3-5% faster but costs more again?
glossy plinth
!!Nyphon
storm osprey
whaaat
coarse nimbus
yeah but its mobo costs less so you save money?? /s
storm osprey
they cost about the same
storm osprey
per youtube and youtube comments amd "decimated intel", "intel needs a miracle now"
likely and unfortunately intel will likely counter effectively with 11th gen
coarse nimbus
hey it was nice of intel to keep using the same samsung 14nm process for so long...2020 is when amd was able to pass it by with their new architecture 
lime raft
prime jasper
is it safe to increase my gpu fan speed
wanton carbon
is it safe to increase my gpu fan speed
@prime jasper yeah
prime jasper
What about to the max
chrome skiff
Fans are a dime a dozen. If you have to have it at 100% it wont be a problem. Just loud
wanton carbon
^
coarse nimbus
replacing a gpu fan...dime a dozen? 😓
wanton carbon
english pls
chrome skiff
Yeah? They arent corsair ml 140 pro's where they are 45 bucks a pop. I got triple fan replacement for my strix card for 12 bucks just cause i didnt wanna clean them. Gpu fans aren that bad or you can put an aio on it if you need to. Plenty of cheap options
prime jasper
what would the max core clock for a amd rx 580 series
wanton carbon
dont change that shit
are you on msi afterburner ?
if you increase it too much at a time your whole computer will crash or something
chrome skiff
I would do some research. Everyone has a different card and different air flow and stuff. Learn how to overclock and dont just set a number
wanton carbon
yeah ik but if u put it up too max it will fuck his card up
coarse nimbus
no..
prime jasper
if you increase it too much at a time your whole computer will crash or something
@wanton carbon yeah i know but im wondering the max core clock
chrome skiff
Crashing happens when overclocking. With msi afterburner its not gonna kill your card. I again adivise learning how to overclock first before doing anything. But msi afterburner ocing isnt going to kill a gpu. long term bad overclock or temp issues will first. Overclocking just "degrades" the life span. So instead of 6 years he gets 5. The newer cards are even safer
wanton carbon
coarse nimbus
drive crash=/=card blows up
chrome skiff
@lime raft does your 3900x make you unhappy with its performance? If yes then you can look into an upgrade. If no why spend the money