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signal forge
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Got my pc formated

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But everytime i locate it asks me to download atleast 20gb

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Please help

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I dont have enough internet to download!πŸ™„

granite kestrel
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Does it say downloading or Preparing/Verifying?

signal forge
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Downloading

granite kestrel
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If you formatted your PC, isn't the game gone

signal forge
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Its gone

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I copied it in my hdd

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External!

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Installed origin! Copied the game , open origin , click locate game

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Took 10min to locate

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Every time it stops at 16gb or 14gb

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Ask me to download the rest

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Any solution for this

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Or a back door to Install the game

noble steeple
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You do realize that copying it onto an external drive doesn't mean that you copy all the required files to run the game, since some files are hidden/can't be copied over to other drives, hence why Origin asks you to download those missing files.

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Same thing goes for Steam games. You can copy most files, but some crucial files need to be redownloaded before you can start the game.

latent light
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Have y'all heard about DirectML on the Xbox Series X? it's gonna be like DLSS 2.0 on Nvidia RTX cards

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Nvidia's DLSS, which is their proprietary machine learning upscaling, relies on tensor cores in their newer GPUs. Xbox Series X doesn't have any dedicated hardware for DML; however, the GPU is capable of 8-bit and 4-bit precision operations.
So, that 12TFlops of GPU power can be calculated as 96 TFlops of DML computing power, meaning that instead of calculating a single 32 floating-point operation per-cycle, the CUs can instead do 4x int8 ops or 8x int4 ops, which are frequently used in ML applications, which will make it much faster than a generic GPU without that functionality for any algorithm that uses those small datatypes, allowing it to do some ML work without too much impact on the rest of the GPU's workload.

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While Xbox Series X is able to do something similar to DLSS, it will have to do so at the expense of using some of the GPU's Compute Units for those operations since there is no dedicated hardware to offload ML operations.

prime jasper
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imagine a sff 2080

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that would be cursed

storm osprey
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i thought zotac made a small 2080/ti

prime jasper
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really? imma check this

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its not that small but its defiantly smaller than the normal 2080

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i don't think they have the technology to shrink the size of a card that powerful yet

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which is sad because i prefer compact sff builds

supple bane
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It's impossible tbh

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Not until hardware gets more efficient at least

prime jasper
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indeed, its unfortunate

storm osprey
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why do you like sff?

prime jasper
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i like to have a portable setup because i move around alot but i don't like gaming laptops

storm osprey
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id rather have a micro set up still,

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sff seem cool, but does it really matter if a system is the size of a gallon of milk vs 2 gallons of milk?

supple bane
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tbh yeah

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at that size, even a 10% improvement in size will see massive improvement in temperatures

signal forge
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Need help

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My game just keeps downloading the game folder reached to 65gb! But in origin it stuck at 76% 24gb

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Talking about apex legends

latent light
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wtf

lofty light
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Awesome mikeisdone

strong breach
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wait

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that's illegal

lofty light
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Imagine in 10 years we'll have the top of the line cards using dual 24-pin connectors

polar tundra
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Creative assembly should help dice

violet plank
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that 12 pin PC makes no sense

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rumor has it there is another 4 pin as well,that's 16 pin,like 2x 8 pin that 2080 (ti) already got

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they would need to include adapter(s) cause no PSU got such connectors

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maybe 2x 12 Pin? for 320W

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but then again,most user would have to buy a new PSU lol

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unless the want to yeet 300+ W trough the 12 Pins,which would fry them instantly haHAA

supple bane
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as long as the keying/pinlayout on the 12 pin is the same as a 8+4 idc tbh

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meaning you can use 8+4 or if you have a swanky new psu you can use a 12 pin

violet plank
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you can't push that much W through those pins,they are too tiny

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unless they use some others

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look at the 2080 ti highly oc'ed models

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they got 3x 8pins or 2x 8 and 1x 6

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gives me an 14nm +++++ intel feeling all over again lol

supple bane
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yeah well, it could be 2x12pin or 2x8+4pin

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or 3x

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i just mean the connector its self

violet plank
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ah,got you

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most would still need a new psu tho

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cause limited to 2 x 6+2 pice

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specially pre built

supple bane
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if they do draw 300+w. im interested to see the coolers tbh

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there is no way they wont be 3 slots or more

violet plank
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hope big navi does a better job

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but i doubt it

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imo cooling 300w isn't a big deal,but getting all that heat out of the case haHAA

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or they push the upper thermals to,dunno,105 C? blobglare

supple bane
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i cant get rgb fusion to play ball ree

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if i launch it, it just completly hard crashes windows

violet plank
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dafuq

supple bane
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like, completely unresponsive,

violet plank
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gigashite quality software

supple bane
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ctrl+alt+delete aint got nothing on this crash

violet plank
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well,aura sync isn't much better

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works only half the time

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but doesent crash windows

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at least

supple bane
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i had to reinstall windows, so im having to install all my software again

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but rgb fusion just eint havin it

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so i have wonky colours in my desk atm Sadcatthumb

violet plank
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hmm,dunno,never used fusion software

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maybe google knows something?

supple bane
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yup, tried

violet plank
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got any other rgb software besides fusion?

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cause they always tend to kick each other

supple bane
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no

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its a fresh windows install

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thing is, when i try install it i get an error saying cant install c++ 2015 or sommot like that

violet plank
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you might miss some packets

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install those manually

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download from ms

supple bane
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fuck you gigabyte lol

violet plank
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.net framework and visual studio stuff

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you can always try to call gigashite support haHAA

supple bane
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complete utter waste of time

violet plank
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just try to manual install .net 3.5/4.x and visual c

supple bane
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last time i had contact with them. my gpu fans were rubbing on the shroud and they asked me to install gpuz

violet plank
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ah right,i remember OMEGALUL

supple bane
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would you know any other way to control the led's ?

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i assume i cant just install another companys rgb software right? like aura sync?

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can i do it in the bios or something?

violet plank
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nah,you need that fusion stuff

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they all make it incompatible to each other so you use their stuff

supple bane
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Eyy

violet plank
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only thing you can normally do in the bios is switch the rgb of the mb on or off,that's about it

supple bane
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Gigabyte finally being a good company

violet plank
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how lol?

supple bane
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The entire of rgb fusion is in the bios

violet plank
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seriously ?

supple bane
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Like there is a tab in there called rgb fusion lol, clicking that basically just opens a bios version of that app lmao

violet plank
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i can only switch it on or of with asus,no control at all

supple bane
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Tbf it's not as detailed as the desktop app

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but i can change colours/lighting modes etc

violet plank
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and if you wanna change something you gotta go into the bios lol

supple bane
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thats true

violet plank
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but actually nice that you can change it without software

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would love to have that too with asus

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since i usually only use 1 color

supple bane
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i dont usually say this. but hats off to gigabyte. u did gud kid

violet plank
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agree with that one

supple bane
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i brought my motherboard and swore i would never buy another gigabyte product, and then was forced to buy a gigabyte 2070 cuz it was the only one i could get my mittens on

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and i regret that decision too lmao

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if im ever in the situation where the only part i can get is gigabyte. im just not going to buy it lol

violet plank
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install those

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and try fusion again

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lol on what language did i land

supple bane
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Slovenian

violet plank
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well,both the same anyways

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better one

supple bane
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oh isuni, you wouldnt know anything about how to file share between two pc's on the same network would you ? Free_Real_Estate

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in windows i mean

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cuz im trying to make it work. and failing miserably

violet plank
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file manager and share?

supple bane
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well my main issue is when i try to access the pc it is asking for credentials, and a.) i have no idea what they would be and b.) i have disabled all password protection as far as im aware

violet plank
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it's usually a 1 time setup

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for both machines

supple bane
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yeah but again. i have no idea what the password or username would be

violet plank
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dunno the pw,you can try to disable network discovery and start it new without pw

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on both machines

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not sure if win10 home has some limitations tho,i only use the pro versions

supple bane
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yeah this just isnt working lol

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do both devices have to be wired?

violet plank
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easier

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or on the same wlan

supple bane
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ill try using my laptop with an ethernet cable then

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well both devices are connected to the same router, just one with a wnic and one is ethernet

violet plank
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if you got 2 lan ports on your pc,directly connnect it

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and be sure your router allows sharing on the network

supple bane
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hmm actually. ill chech that

violet plank
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might need the router admin login for that,depending on the model

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or your provider

supple bane
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i can log into the routers settings if thats what you mean

violet plank
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ye

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so your fine there

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but i doubt you'll need that

supple bane
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again. i cant even get the two pc's to recognise each other on file explorer now

violet plank
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turn on network discovrery

supple bane
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i have all that turned on yes

violet plank
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well,read that microsoft link i posted

supple bane
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i did lol, i have done all those things

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let my try with my laptop, see if i can get that working

violet plank
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hmm

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hard to say over discord lol

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easiest thing would be to directly connect them

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just unplug your internet

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if you don't got 2 on your pc

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ports

supple bane
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well that would mean running another ethernet cable around the house lol

violet plank
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huh?didn't you say laptop?

supple bane
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no. im trying to do it between mine and my dads pc

violet plank
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ah

supple bane
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when i said laptop, i meant i was just testing it on my laptop to see if i can get it to work there

violet plank
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call ms support,they gonna remote access your pc

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and set it up

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without seeing it it's really hard

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my guess is your dads pc is not on the network

supple bane
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ooh, i got further

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i could see the file, but couldnt open it. "do not have permission"

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although i have set it to everyone and password protection is disabled

violet plank
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just copy it on a usb/external drive ?

supple bane
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oh. yeah i have been doing that for ages

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which is the whole reason im trying to get this to work lol, just so its less of a pain

violet plank
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want the easy way?let ms support call you back

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you might be blocked cause of group policies

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could be a lot of things

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and hard to say without seeing your stuff

supple bane
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

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it was a granty problem

violet plank
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or you hack it with a registry key

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lol,tell me

supple bane
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didnt realise you had to click that "add"

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i was just clicking share in the bottom

violet plank
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guest as owner?

supple bane
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when i was selecting everyone. but then not clicking the add button to add everyone to the share list

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so i just selected everyone, then shared it without actually adding everyone if that makes sense

violet plank
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well yeah,that's networking,always complicated haHAA

supple bane
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last question, how do change name of desktop?

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so its not desktop-;sdiugfsd;iugfsgiudugdsfiu;g' ?

violet plank
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type name in your search field

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should be first option and there you can rename it

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device name

supple bane
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Tarr

latent light
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Next gen Navi Kernel drivers popped up today, it's very close to coming out

violet plank
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uhhh.this could actually kick some serious nvidia ass CloseCat

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maybe (hopefully) the reason why they push that 300+W

latent light
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what sucks is that any GPU 30-50% more powerful than a 2080Ti will get bottlenecked hard at 1080p and even 1440p with any current CPU available

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RTX 3080Ti will definitely be strictly a 4K card imo

storm osprey
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maybe at 1080p but 1440p and 4k there shoulnt be much of a bottleneck

latent light
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we just need CPUs with higher single-core performance than what we have now

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10900K can bottleneck a 2080Ti in some CPU heavy games at 1080p

latent light
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Zen3 up to 20% faster than Zen2 in single-thread, production in September, so launch will probably be November/December

storm osprey
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heck yes

latent light
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December 7th launch is my bet

storm osprey
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i fucking hope

latent light
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that's on Pearl Harbor day too

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RDNA2 graphics cards will come out before Ryzen 4000

storm osprey
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im stuck with nvidia

violet plank
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integer is not relevant for gaming,floating point is

latent light
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Death Stranding can take advantage of up to 24 CPU threads
wtf kind of scaling is that

storm osprey
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lol wtf

latent light
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actually it looks like 32 threads is still providing more performance lmao

latent light
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😳

violet plank
fallen harbor
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if mid tier gpus consume between 70 and 180 watts and respective cpus consume usually no more than 50 watts why are most psus recommended for gaming above 500w?

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i got a 450w 80+ gold evga psu which sends 432 watts to the 12v sector (cpu and gpu) which is already a lot for my pc even though i have an rx590 that doesnt consume little unlike nvidia.

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my cpu consumes a max of 50w and my gpu a max of 175 which makes a total of 225w

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other gpus such as r9 380 consume 180w and every post i see about it mentions it should be paired with a psu of a minimum of 600w. why?

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idgi

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i know some psus dont have the exact wattage that they specify in their brand and hence are kinda bullshit, like the thermaltake tr2 600w which actually only sends like 290w into the 12v sector

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but that isnt a good reason to just go up in wattage, its just a missinformation

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its as bad as saying β€œjust get a more expensive psu”

violet plank
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security margin so they can't be sued

supple bane
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cpu's draw more than 50w

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my cpu draws 85w when it has a 65w tdp. and overclocked it will draw 110w

violet plank
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if you see a recommendation you can always go -100W and you'll be still on the save side

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and cpu does not equal cpu package power draw

supple bane
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and the cpu and gpu isnt the only thing that is drawing power. storage, ram, fans, coolers, chipsets, ROM etc

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and you got wasted energy when power passes through the VRM's and capacitors

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when those things heat up. they are turning some of the electrical energy into thermal energy which is wasted

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therefore the powersupply has to provide even more power than what the cpu SAYS its drawing

violet plank
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and if you got power spikes (which all components have/get) and go on the limit of your psu,it will cause ripples and crash your pc on the worst case

supple bane
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which i have experienced ^

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if i have my cpu and gpu overclocked, my power draw is like 450-500w. on my 550w powersupply, this causes a hard shut down

fallen harbor
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this doesnt exactly answer my question though, are you gonna tell me the rest of the components consume more than the cpu and gpu combo? (im excluding OC). If this combo makes 225w what do you need a 600w psu for. The drives, chipset, fans etc wont consume over 300w

violet plank
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amd ryzen 3700x,65W TPD,real package power draw 90W,i don't even start with overclocking

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cause your sytem draws way more than 225W

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you calculate wrong

fallen harbor
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how so. The gpu and cpu is what draws 225

supple bane
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what cpu and gpu is it?

fallen harbor
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i5 8400 and rx590

violet plank
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list all your components

supple bane
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my arse do they draw 225w lmao

fallen harbor
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one 240gb ssd, 1tb hdd, 2tb hdd. 3 60mm fans

supple bane
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they draw wayyyy more than that.

fallen harbor
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the i5 8400 draws a maximum of 49w and the rx590 175w

violet plank
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ram?

supple bane
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no. it draws more than that. im certain of it

fallen harbor
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16gb ram 2666mhz

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every single site i checked on is sure of this though

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do you have any source

violet plank
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intel tdp isn'^t 49w

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btw

supple bane
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im listing it out on pc part picker

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im not done and its already telling me 400w

violet plank
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your system power draw is almost 400W

supple bane
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im getting over that

violet plank
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ah lol,granty beat me

supple bane
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i got 424w

violet plank
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i calculated low

supple bane
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when you consider what i said above

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600w is about right

violet plank
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yep

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it's about efficiency

supple bane
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A.) powersupplys age, they wont always be able to supply say 600w.
b.) motherboard VRM's and capacitors waste power as they turn it into heat as it passes through them
c.) tdp isnt everything. im guessing PC part picker goes off the listed tdp. and my cpu SAYS its 65w but in reality it draws 85w

violet plank
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take the 10900k,listed as 125W,can draw 300+W haHAA

supple bane
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my list doesnt account for peripherals either. a keyboard and mouse will draw some power. it will take power to shove a signal down a cable for your monitors etc. this stuff adds up

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hence the rule of thumb, take your marketed power draw. then slap 200w ontop of it, and get a powersupply with that rating

violet plank
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if you're on a budget you can go with a +100

supple bane
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side note, i downloaded rise of the tomb raider and holy shit. people complain about the fps in bfv lol. with a 2070 im lucky to break 30 fps

violet plank
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is that the last part?

supple bane
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second to latest

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it launched in 2016 tho

violet plank
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i got the first 2 of the relaunch,still missing the last,waiting for a good discount cause reviews say it sucks a bit

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but those 2 don't get me down to such low fps

supple bane
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you play at 1080p tho right?

violet plank
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1440

supple bane
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ah

molten coral
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480p masterrace

supple bane
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1440p, completely maxed settings, i average 25 fps i think

violet plank
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says the nacho that dose not like nachos haHAA

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wtf,why that low

supple bane
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idk lol

violet plank
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let me check if i got that on steam

molten coral
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Weird it shouldn't be that low I thinj

violet plank
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super weird

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ye,i got it sec

supple bane
violet plank
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finished it some times ago

supple bane
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make sure u are using all dem

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i guess run the in game bench mark and see what you get AngryCat

violet plank
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gotta check the settings sec

molten coral
violet plank
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got vsync on double buffered

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lmao nacho

supple bane
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its certainly using my hardware lol

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100% gpu core and all 8gb of vram

violet plank
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pure hair sucks and draws fps like hell

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but i'm gonna run it sec

supple bane
violet plank
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wow,that game draws some serious cpu

supple bane
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really?

violet plank
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somethings wrong with your setup,sec

supple bane
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i dont have that on my overlay actually

violet plank
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up to 50% cpu,bfv does not go over 30%

supple bane
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bfv takes my cpu to 80-90 uhh

violet plank
supple bane
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hmmmmmmmmm

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double check you have EVERY graphics setting the same as mine

violet plank
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i got fps to 144 and vsync double buffered,rest are your settings

supple bane
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da fuq

violet plank
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re checking

supple bane
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i cant change mine to 144 which is annoying

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not that it would make a difference atm lol. but still

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i have dx 12 disabled? should i try with it on?

violet plank
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sec,i got anti aliasing wrong

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that could drop the fps hard

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re running bench

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dropped hard lol

supple bane
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what did you have AA on before ?

violet plank
supple bane
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i want to try dx 12 first actually.

violet plank
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still way better than yours tho

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fsaa i think on the first run

supple bane
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I'm trying with dx 12, one momento

violet plank
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i never use dx12

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try it with fsaa

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you'll get a huge fps increase

supple bane
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Pogggggg

violet plank
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lol

supple bane
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Its pinning my CPU to 100% too

violet plank
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go dx11 fsaa

supple bane
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Yeah one sec

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that was dx 12

violet plank
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ah

supple bane
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got a slight improvement i think

violet plank
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was about to say lol

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hardly

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you should get around 100fps

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with your system

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fxaa it was

supple bane
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I dropped aa to fxaa and it hasnt done diddle squat

violet plank
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use the preset very high ?

supple bane
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Maybe I should do dx11 with fxaa

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I'm still using dx 12

violet plank
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lol

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yeah go dx11

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and use the preset very high

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with fxaa

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and vsync double buffered

supple bane
violet plank
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there you go

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i didn't see any difference to higher anti aliasing

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graphically

supple bane
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im still miles behind you

violet plank
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and i didn't like the hair job,so i turned that off too,just had it on for the bench now

supple bane
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i wouldnt have thought a 2070 is like 40fps behind a 1080ti

violet plank
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maybe the high cpu usage

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and the 1080ti still has a higher interface bandwith

supple bane
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that also went down when i changed the settings

violet plank
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hmm ok

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then the bandwith

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1080ti still is a beast

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flex

supple bane
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no doubt

violet plank
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but i still need to upgrade

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need a new monitor

supple bane
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arent you already 1440p 144hz?

violet plank
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and that one has a higher resolution

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yeah

supple bane
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what more can you want lol?

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other than ultra wide

violet plank
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the one i want will have 3440x1600

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bigger screen

supple bane
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right

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i dont have the desk real estate for an ultra wide

violet plank
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but it's not available atm,pretty new one

supple bane
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and im kinda bound to this desk for the time being lol, since yanno. my pc is inside it

violet plank
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yeah lol

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mine is already a few years old,it's starting to bleed light on the top,sucks

supple bane
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what do you mean by that?

violet plank
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on a full black screen you see some light on the top part of the screen,bleeding trough the upper edge

supple bane
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oohh hahahah

violet plank
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ips problems

supple bane
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i thought you meant the desk lmao

violet plank
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well and old age haHAA

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nah lol

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waiting for this baby

supple bane
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you are deffo gonna need a gpu upgrade for that tho lol

violet plank
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yeah lol

supple bane
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3080 here you come

violet plank
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hoping for big navi actually since it's a freesync monitor

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well it's gsync compatible tho

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gonna get whatever is better

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atm i'm bound to nvidia which sucks

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at least no fucking FAN in the monitor,hate this shit

supple bane
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i have never used free/g sync so i dont suffer from that addiction lol

violet plank
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it's pretty nice actually,once you go with it you won't wanna miss it

supple bane
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i still dont understand how it can fix an already seamless experience tbh

violet plank
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it's calling for you,can't you hear it?get it! haHAA

supple bane
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jog on lol

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i brought a new monitor only 6 months ago

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like take bfv. i dont stutter, my fps is fine. my screen doesnt tear. so how will g sync help?

violet plank
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same goes for ips,once ips,you can't go back

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in this case it won't

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this fall will be expensive,new phone/cpu/gpu/monitor (and ps5 maybe)NotLikeThis

lofty light
#

I'm reaching the point where I don't feel the need to upgrade my pc parts now thankfully

opaque saddle
#

oof

storm osprey
#

i gotta upgrade

#

its just the waiting game for me

latent light
storm osprey
#

hmmm what does this mean?!

latent light
#

new PSU required

#

or maybe they will have an adapter

#

RTX 3000 is already a disappointment in itself, it's based on the Samsung 8nm node, which is just refined 10nm, which is refined 12nm

storm osprey
#

i cant imagine a new psu

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especially if you have a semi(modular) psu

#

might be a cable purchase

latent light
#

that 12-pin can handle up to 600 watts

#

RTX 3000 is gonna be power hungry

storm osprey
#

so why require that for a 350w gpu?

latent light
#

a 350w TDP Nvidia GPU is gonna consume more than 350 watts

#

it will probably peak in the 400-450 watt mark

#

and the rest is overclock headroom

storm osprey
#

hmmm

#

good thing i got an 850w psu xD

latent light
#

also, you can't use two 6-pin connectors, the connector shapes aren't in the same order

#

it's a whole new type of cable

storm osprey
#

welp, good thing i got a modular psu

latent light
fallen harbor
#

is it possible to fix a case fan that spins very slowly?

storm osprey
#

depends on the reason why its spinning slowly

lofty light
#

Why would they make a new connector when they could just make 2-six pins or even like the 3-eight pins that the super high end cards have for 2000 series

fallen harbor
#

depends on the reason why its spinning slowly
@storm osprey is there any way to know?

storm osprey
#

yea its just gonna take some time

#

is it a PWM fan connected to mb/controller that determines the fan speed?

#

do you have a resistor?

#

how is it connected?

fallen harbor
#

its an average 4 pin molex connector

#

dunno what a resistor is

violet plank
#

bleh,my worst fears seem to come true,hope big navi fixes this

latent light
#

@lofty light there will probably be an adapter included with the cards, although it seems that the 12-pin has a higher demand than dual 8-pin connectors so you're gonna need a PSU with 3 EPS connection

violet plank
#

if nvidia would only release a high end model without that rtx shit

storm osprey
#

well a molex connector is just static power iirc, so if youre fan is spinning slower than normal theres something likely wrong with the fan itself

latent light
#

imo, Nvidia is being anti-consumer

violet plank
#

nvidia is doing the intel lol

#

still hope they really fear big navi and that's the reason for that 3k shit

#

those tensor cores fuck everything up

latent light
#

The reason RTX 3000 is so power hungry: it's based on Samsung's 8nm node, which is just a refined 10nm, and furthermore a refined 12nm. TSMC is supplying all 7nm chips to Apple and AMD and there's not enough for Nvidia.

violet plank
#

lmao

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good thing amd got more capacity at tsmc since huawei has been kicked

#

hope they deliver

fallen harbor
#

@storm osprey is it worth it giving it a try and opening it and checking if theres something fixable or should i just get a new one?

storm osprey
#

opening up a fan? ive never thought of doing that...

#

even if you could i cant imagine you can assemble it back together properly for it to not cause wobble and be loud AF

fallen harbor
#

kk

lofty light
#

Depends on the kind of fan too

#

You've got cheap brushes, more expensive bearings and even more expensive maglevs

violet plank
#

just get a noctua,they will outlive you lol

lofty light
#

Lol

#

I'm defs not selling mine

#

Spend enough money to happily live with it for years

violet plank
#

"In 2020, Nvidia is so leaky that they are providing more AMD leaks than AMD lol"

storm osprey
#

god i hope FE are not that ugly design

lofty light
#

The one fan ones?

#

They look horrendous

storm osprey
#

yea

#

i mean, ill still get it, but shit its ugly

lofty light
#

Good thing is you can always chuck a watercooler on WeSmart

storm osprey
#

ehh i doubt ill ever watercool

violet plank
#

watch the video and reconsider LUL

storm osprey
#

too long didnt watch

violet plank
#

your loss

#

use the timestamps to skip parts πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

storm osprey
#

im at work

violet plank
#

spaming bfv discord haHAA

#

i know,you're using discord for work as well

storm osprey
#

its easy to use discord while working, not watching videos though

violet plank
#

ye

#

there is that function on youtube tho,watch later

storm osprey
#

yea watch laters get lost forever

supple bane
#

wait, why are we bullying nyphon into watching something ? whats so important lol?

storm osprey
#

i got shit from over a year ago in my watch later

violet plank
#

cause he needs that @supple bane haHAA

#

and won't do it anyways

fallen harbor
#

oh nvm it's a hdd holder stuff

#

i think

#

whats the name of those fans that come with some little things to be grabbed onto a heatsink?

#

like this one

#

are they sold separately?

latent light
#

"In addition to PSU manufacturers launching new generations of products with 12-pin connectors, most prominent manufacturers are expected to release aftermarket modular cables that can plug in to their existing PSUs. Graphics card vendors will include ketchup-and-mustard adapters that convert 2x 8-pin to 1x 12-pin"

storm osprey
#

well ill have ketchup and mustard cables for a bit

violet plank
#

ew

#

fuck you nvidia

#

not gonna buy new braided cables

#

regular fans @fallen harbor the clamps can be bought from some company's,i know noctua and bequiet sell them,others no idea

fallen harbor
#

oic

#

tyvm

#

i found two spare clamps today but i broke one while trying to put a fan in

#

: (

#

it was too delicate

violet plank
#

ouch

#

see what brand the cooler is and check the website i guess

fallen harbor
#

i think my mistake was that i put one screw too tightly

violet plank
#

yeah,ppl usually use way too much force to tighten screws

fallen harbor
#

but then again the fan i was trying to use for it is kinda dead anyway

#

spins as 80 year old fans would spin if they were biological beings with a human lifespan

#

and for some reason fans cost a fuckin fortune right now where i live wtf

wet notch
#

superman building a pc

#

you know you wanna see it

supple bane
#

super man knows his shit huh

wet notch
#

he does

#

an avid gamer apparently

supple bane
#

he covered the logos of the brands at the start tho which i thought was cute

wet notch
#

they made a character for him in Total war warhammer 2 cuz he plays the game

#

yeah

supple bane
#

i mean he missed some stuff i could still at least work out it was a 2080ti and a 3900x

wet notch
#

i guess he just don't want to make it look like he was sponsored or anything

supple bane
#

i guess, what a sick world we live in

#

does it stream or anything pog ?

wet notch
#

2080ti is pretty good right?

storm osprey
#

2080ti is the best gaming gpu for the price right now

#

msrp is like 1100 usd

#

the next best gpu is 800

lofty light
#

2080 super is basically the 2080 anyway

storm osprey
#

2080 super are cheaper than 2080s right now according to pcpartpicker

#

regular 2080s are probably out of stock and just marked up from that

red birch
#

Hi. I want to config freestyle nvidia. It worked for me, but now is not. Why? Nvidia blocked this feature for bf4?

quaint topaz
#

@storm osprey yes, the 2080s are running short since they were replaced with the Supers

#

Basically getting a 2080 right now is pointless unless you score a pretty good price, which is unlikely.

strong breach
#

all this time

#

i thought 2080s and super

#

were the same thing

lofty light
#

Plus they're using the 2080 chips to cut them down and make 2060 KOs

quaint topaz
#

lol nope

#

the Super replaced the regular 2080

strong breach
#

i just thought people were lazy for typing super

#

so they just shortened it to s

quaint topaz
#

oh lmaoo

#

2080s, plural

strong breach
#

right!

#

so im not dumb!

fallen harbor
#

how come cavil’s pc has a 2080ti insted of a 2080super. I thought they stopped producing ti’s?

quaint topaz
#

Ti's are still in production

supple bane
#

2080ti's are still available yes

quaint topaz
#

All 20 series cards below the 2080 Ti have been replaced with Supers

fallen harbor
#

oh so its just 2080ti now? is the 2080 the only one with three versions?

supple bane
#

yes

fallen harbor
#

ic

supple bane
#

well arguably the 2060 too. with the 2060, super and KO

fallen harbor
#

never heard of KO

#

whats that about?

supple bane
#

its something EVGA make

#

slightly faster than a normal 2060, slower than a 2060 super

fallen harbor
#

oic

quaint topaz
#

I think EVGA uses the same boards the founders edition ones do

#

at least for the regular ones, not sure about the KO

#

since both the founders and EVGA cards use the same software which is probably the best GPU software ive ever used

#

EVGA precision X

silk echo
#

lads

#

i need some opinions

#

should i get a VR or should i upgrade my PC

#

by PC i mean stuff like GPU, case, fans, ram

molten coral
#

What do you have now?

silk echo
#

1070

molten coral
#

cpu?

silk echo
#

2600X

supple bane
#

Yeah get vr

#

Get vr now then upgrade the pc when 3000 series nvidia launches

silk echo
#

thats the thing, im counting on series 3000 to drop gpu prices a bit

#

my "salary" is around barely 300$

supple bane
#

I too shall be getting a vr headset later this year too so that's pretty poggers

#

Probably gonna be a rift s

molten coral
#

I need more space for VR

silk echo
#

i dont need much space when ill be rocking beat saber all day

supple bane
#

I've got most of a 3x4m room so I have plenty of space

fallen harbor
#

only thing id get a vt set for is vr chat

supple bane
#

There is a desk running around one half of the room, the rest is empty

molten coral
#

I've a small room so big f

silk echo
#

so yall saying vr > pc upgrade?

supple bane
#

I'd say so yeah

molten coral
#

I mean if you are still happy with the 1070 yeah.

supple bane
#

Upgrading now is silly, considering there is alot of big launches on the horizon

#

My friend was playing vr on a 970, so you are good in that manor

silk echo
#

see im good with it now

#

but big games are launching soon

#

and playing on a 2K screen isnt helping my FPS either

fallen harbor
#

its not like you need to upgrade in order to run vr games

silk echo
#

tru

fallen harbor
#

oh

silk echo
#

i just wanna upgrade now to be future proof

#

or w.e the fuck its called

fallen harbor
#

no it makes sense but idk

#

its a matter of preference

#

i never go beyond 1080p and 60hz so if i had a 1070 id still be pretty well

#

where are you from btw

silk echo
#

Israel, why?

fallen harbor
#

would you be interested in selling your 1070 overseas if you ever think of upgrading?

#

gpus here cost a fortune so

silk echo
#

u from south america?

fallen harbor
#

yes

silk echo
#

shipping would prob cost more than the GPU itself, but i can def. look into it

fallen harbor
#

hmm youre right

#

i guess

#

idk how much the shipping would be but it wouldnt surprise me if it was too high since we are very far from eachother

#

this kills the ando

#

i just want a mothertrucking case that doesnt cost more than my monthly wage for christ sake

#

get me out of this place

#

anybody

#

i know how to cook i can cook your meals every day

#

and i like doing errands

violet plank
#

check first if you get motion sick from vr CloseCat

#

if you can

#

@silk echo

fallen harbor
#

is it normal to

#

uh

#

feel uncomfortable about having only two slots of ram being used even thouhg i have enough for today's standards?

#

because if I ever want to upgrade to 32gb in like 6 years I wont find the same modules I have right now

supple bane
#

you mean using 2 out of 4 slots on the motherboard?

fallen harbor
#

yes

#

i have 2x8

#

which is fine

#

but it pains me looking at empty slots

#

lmao

#

help me

#

itd be beautiful to see the 4 pretty modules all together

supple bane
#

consumer hardware sees no performance improvment for 4 sticks of ram

#

so its looks pretty yes, but its not "better"

fallen harbor
#

i know i know

#

itd be better only the day games require like 25gb ram

#

but by the day that happens itll be a looong time

#

i am assuming

storm osprey
#

im not the only one

latent light
#

Got a free GTX 1050 from buddy

storm osprey
#

nicee

latent light
#

Also got a i7-2600 and 8GB DDR3 but need to find Sandy Bridge motherboard

#

Gonna build niece a PC for her birthday

#

Next month

fallen harbor
#

cute

violet plank
#

so small gigaMeowStatic

#

and needs some good cleaning haHAA

latent light
#

Result from making Zen2 a monolithic die

digital hill
#

I need that

final garnet
#

why is it that gpus are these super big chonks while cpus are just smol chips

fallen harbor
#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

latent light
#

"The JEDEC Solid State Technology Association said in a report issued Tuesday the new DDR5 memory specifications will provide developers with twice the performance and lower power consumption. Among the key improvements will be a quadrupling of maximum die density, up to 64 gigabytes from 16 gigabytes under the old standard. Each DIMM can handle two 32-bit memory channels instead of only a single 64-bit channel. Since each bank operates independently of each other, the burst length can be doubled and greater efficiency can be achieved. That means, for instance, DDR5 SDRAM can perform two 64-byte operations in the same time it takes DDR4 SDRAM to perform just one operation."

#

So dual channel memory is possible on just one stick of DDR5 RAM

ashen ether
#

Is the Acer Nitro 5 2020 ryzen 5 model available in your cities yet

verbal token
#

Idk but I don't like Acer nitro 5

#

Personal experience

#

I have one

true cradle
#

is origin down or something?

#

mine says online access is currently unavailable

molten coral
#

Personally I would stay away from anything acer related.

latent light
#

rip 7600K users

somber tendon
#

Is it normal for BFV to crash to desktop with no error?

warped topaz
#

Yeah it’s common, bfv just crashes whenever it wants with no explanation lol that’s why I play bf1 a superb game πŸ˜‚

somber tendon
#

@warped topaz you had one recently?

warped topaz
#

Yeah I was playing on my brother’s PC and bfv just crashed for no apparent reason

latent light
#

the technical problems of BFV are worse than any other game in the franchise

#

BF4 did have severe crashing issues on PC when it came out, but it all got fixed in a few months

pearl ingot
#

Hi tech page

latent light
#

BFV will be 2 years old in October, still lots of optimization and stability issues

warped topaz
#

Exactly hopefully they will fix those issues soon

molten coral
violet plank
#

no tech haHAA

cold cave
digital hill
#

I never thought a game can be so broken and unfinished but still has players playing it

glossy plinth
#

Im only playing it for the graphics lol

summer comet
#

graphics? How are the graphics any better than BF4/1?

verbal token
#

Bf4? Bfv has a big difference in graphics imo

#

Bf1 and bfv is another tall

#

Talk

glossy plinth
#

BFV graphics are far more superior than 4

#

its like comparing 1080p and 720p

fallen harbor
#

dunno how you directly compare graphics to resolution but ye

glossy plinth
#

lmao

fallen harbor
#

what would yall recommend for a pc that will still be able to run modern games in 60fps and 1080 in 6 years?

#

doesnt matter if low graphic settings are required in the future

#

what's the budgiest motherboard for the i5 10400?ΒΏ

quaint topaz
#

@fallen harbor Prices differ from one play to another, look for a LGA 1200 motherboard

fallen harbor
#

im looking for the cheapest one as long as it's not garbage

#

not planning to overclock

#

nor sli

#

just for i5 10400, or maybe 10600 (not sure which is more worth it yet) paired with a 2060 super

quaint topaz
#

Best budget motherboard I can think of is the Asus prime.

fallen harbor
#

asus prime h410m?

#

there seems to be a big price gap between i5 10400 and 10600

#

is the 10600 worth that difference?

#

id pick ryzen but my friend wants intel exclusively

quaint topaz
#

How much is it

fallen harbor
#

idk

#

forgot

#

saw it in a site

#

idk how much he can get it for though

#

i only saw the original prices

#

im watching videos and all three 10400 10500 and 10600 seem to perform almost the same

#

at least in today games

#

literally 2 additional frames from the worst to the best

quaint topaz
#

The H410 is pretty basic and budget friendly. Don't expect good clock speeds on it if you plan on OCing.

#

it'll do the job for light gaming

fallen harbor
#

no OC expected

#

hes not interested at all in it

#

only something that can hold the stuff together well enough

#

wants to game on 60hz and 1080p for at least 6 years

#

doesnt matter if low graphics in 6 years

#

wants intel and nvidia exclusively

#

so i was thinking some 10th gen i5 and 2060 super

quaint topaz
#

Then I personally recommend saving up for a slightly more powerful build for better future-proofing. Games today require at least an i5-6600K to run properly

fallen harbor
#

what would you suggest?

quaint topaz
#

what's the budget?

fallen harbor
#

1500usd but prices in his country are elevated

#

so thatd be hard

#

the 2060 super is 590 usd

#

at least in one site

quaint topaz
#

Could save up just a little and go for something like an i7-6700, if thats not an option then go for the i5 10 series

#

but i dont think you'll last 6 years without needing an upgrade, but i could be wrong

#

Some AMD CPUs are cheaper and perform on par and even better in some cases than intel, you should look into that as well

fallen harbor
#

i know but he wants intel only

#

specifically

#

he's always had that and thats what he feels comfortable with and doesnt want to think about anything

fallen harbor
#

what PSU would you recommend for a i5-9700 and 2070super?

supple bane
#

600w

fallen harbor
#

what brand tho

#

and which certification

storm osprey
#

shopping by brand is normally bad, especially when most brands dont even manufacture their own components

#

in the case of PSUs theres maybe 4 major manufacturers out there

#

personally, the only general "brand" i would promote is seasonic, but even then they have some bad PSUS

#

but they do make their own psus, most of their psus are at least good, and most of the OTHER brands "good" psus are provided by seasonic

violet plank
#

laughs in seasonic prime titanium

supple bane
#

laughs in shitty corsair powersupply but i cant really change it as it will mean glueing brackets to a new powersupply so it will work with my desk

#

So much for warranty

molten coral
#

I've a corsair rm750x is pretty good so far

violet plank
#

btw i'm seriously starting to doubt that nvidia 12pin power connector,only 1 source,no reaction from any psu supplier.That and it still makes no real sense to me as with 2x 8 pin and pice bus you can draw 375W

quaint topaz
fallen harbor
#

is it normal for an i5 8400 to be 40c on idle with an hyper 212 with two fans attached to it? πŸ€”

#

room temperature is around 20

rugged dome
#

It is a bit on hotter side, even tho nothing to worry about. But you can also try to remount the cooler and repaste thermal paste.

sand phoenix
#

henlo does anyone remember that bug a few months ago where origin would take the focus away from games and what tf the fix was

#

swear it was to delete some licenses folder or something but i cant find whatever it is

summer comet
#

@fallen harbor where did you see a 2060 Super for almost $600 USD? I see it for $250-$300 anywhere I look.... (I know I'm late but deal with it Kappa) I see 2070 Supers go for around $450 - $550 USD

supple bane
#

not everywhere in the world has the same, cheap component prices which can be found in the US

molten coral
#

He is from a country where prices are super inflated because of taxes and more stupid things.

#

I think he was from argentina

prime jasper
#

I have a laptop and goddamn it gets hot.

#

Literally my cpus max temperature is 105C and it’s clocking at 96-

#

my laptop is going to explode one of these days

quaint topaz
#

where did you see a 2060 Super for almost $600 USD? I see it for $250-$300 anywhere I look.... (I know I'm late but deal with it Kappa) I see 2070 Supers go for around $450 - $550 USD
yeah as mentioned above you guys in the US don't pay for VAT

#

we have to pay +17% here, some places have +25% and poor Hungarians pay +27%

golden grotto
#

everyone here is flexing with their high end pc components

#

while im stuck here with an i3-9350k

#

ASUS ROG 1050TI strix edition

#

16gb corsair ram

fallen harbor
#

thats a well playable enough pc

ashen ether
#

I dont even have a pc at all. I used to play in a 1050ti cafe but since this corona happened I cant go there and I can only play in a 750ti local cafe. I play BFV avg 40 fps not even 1080p

latent light
#

Oof

prime jasper
#

Damn

#

Im bout to get a new pc only issue is that itll take a month for it to arrive from the US to here bc we’re putting all the parts in a shipping container

ashen ether
#

Hello everyone. I originally planned on getting a gaming laptop for school since I was supposed to go to college this school year. But then, corona happened and I am skipping school this year.

At first, I was eyeying the Acer Nitro 5 2020 (R5 4600+1650ti). But I realized I am not going anywhere now since I stayed at home for the past 4 months.

Mom told me that I should get a pc instead. Now the problem is I will still go to college next year.

Help me decide whether I should still get the Acer Nitro 5 2020 or a desktop. Thanks in adavance

supple bane
#

Well specs wise, compared to a desktop, that laptop sucks. you will get at least double the fps by going with a desktop for the same price point

#

but obviously. you cant take a desktop to school

#

so i guess decide how important taking the device to school is for you

prime jasper
#

if you buy a PC with all that in the air then you have to accept that at some point you will be away from it for a while, but yes a better computer no doubt

#

also no matter how advanced a laptop claims to be, a few years in it will start to degrade more than the equivalent PC

ashen ether
#

Also, I can't pay for these in cash. A local laptop store in here offers 0% installment. There is also a pc shop here that offers build your own and pay for installment but pc parts are scarce because of corona. I'll be deciding on what the shops will offer

prime jasper
#

after so many years I have a small pile of dead laptops

#

most died from a critical system failure

ashen ether
#

@prime jasper what do you mean critical system failure?

prime jasper
#

GPU/screen/powersupply failure

ashen ether
#

I'm just hoping if I ever get a laptop it will last more than 4 years lol

prime jasper
#

very hard to get parts

ashen ether
#

My friend's laptop is 2 years old. It's still doing well

prime jasper
#

the one I am using for my load splitting is a moderately good 2013 model

#

only problem is its battery dies after 10 minutes unplugged

#

good cpu/gpu combo for its age tho

#

can run BF3

#

but that is always a common thread with all laptops, over time the battery steadily degrades and holds fewer hours of full power use

#

when it was new it could go 3.5 hours without being plugged in at 90% power

quaint topaz
#

if PC is so great

#

where's PC 2?

molten bramble
#

but obviously. you cant take a desktop to school
@supple bane I mean, it is possible, but requires rack-mounting it in a shock-mounted SKB or Pelican case. πŸ˜„

supple bane
#

ok, you reasonably cant take a desktop to school

digital hill
#

@supple bane Oh so I can't put my computer and monitor on a wagon with my mouse and keyboard at the side to take my pc to school

#

So thats not possible

storm osprey
#

lol i fucking love this drawing

digital hill
#

all made with mspaint

storm osprey
#

did you ever see my pc cart?

digital hill
#

I seen it and its possible to take your desktop to school but getting permission to use it might be a problem

storm osprey
#

i used to bring my skateboard to school and one of my teachers would watch it for me, even years after i didnt have a class with him he let me store it there

digital hill
#

Ah

storm osprey
#

that teacher was super cool

digital hill
#

Ah

storm osprey
#

Ah

digital hill
storm osprey
#

lol wow

supple bane
#

ew

#

edge

#

if its not chrome, or opera gx. im not interested

storm osprey
#

edge is supposed to be pretty good now

#

though i think every time they do something with edge "its supposed to be good now"

supple bane
#

the only reason i use opera gx is the built in ad block and vpn tbh

#

and the pop out videos and customisation i guess, but mainly the things above

molten coral
#

Tbh I kinda like the new edge

digital hill
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Free vpn is not open source but data is used to make it free

molten bramble
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@supple bane It's not a VPN, it's a proxy. They've misled the public on that and it's drawn criticism from the IS community.

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Opera GX's hard resource limiter is why I used it for background streams on the big screen above since it doesn't impede degrade performance of the machine.

violet plank
supple bane
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12 pin is going to be able to deliver 600w?!

violet plank
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yeah but it's not gonna be likely on consumer cards like i thought

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there is a massive psu shortage atm anyways

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gotta love torvalds ranting about intel haHAA

quaint topaz
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opera gx
Ah yes, the Gamingβ„’ browser.

digital hill
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Jesus

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We now need a 2000w psu

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To have the most beast gaming system of all time

storm osprey
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doubt that

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but i am glad i got an 850w psu on sale years ago xD

supple bane
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@storm osprey btw I reccomended a 502 to someone and they brought it, they said they like it soooo

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Another one for team brick

storm osprey
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they are just stupid

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more stupid people in the world than smart

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hence cardi b being so popular

supple bane
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Your outnumbered here mr cat keanu

storm osprey
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i dont consider myself smart, but i would assume stupid people do outnumber me by a lot

supple bane
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I think youre just crazy

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Funny thing is. I perfectly understand and respect your point of view, I know a light mouse is probably better for gaming. I just think this whole war is hilarious haHAA

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And I will keep it going till the day i die!!

storm osprey
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you could kill me with your brick of a mouse

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my mice will probably break after a couple of hits

supple bane
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I probably would have brought a model o already if they weren't so hard to get over here

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My friend had to pay more than the mouse in shipping

storm osprey
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fuck that

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not worth it imo

storm osprey
molten coral
latent light
median elm
lofty light
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G604 best mouse

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Because it's just an updated G602

glossy plinth
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Corsair rgb glaive pro worst mouse

latent light
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I'm sure I'm right on this, if Navi2 is labelled as 'RX 6000' series and if 'big navi' is called 'RX 6900', XFX would 100% make a model named the "THICC 69"

glossy plinth
latent light
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iGPU on 4700G performs at GTX 950/RX 560 level

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impressive

keen tangle
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Hmm

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Did someone say thicc?

digital hill
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Damn

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also if intel igpus were that good we wouldn't need gpu's anymore

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For standard consumers and budget gamers consumers

violet plank
supple bane
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turns out it might not have been a bad windows install causing my gpu to go kapoot

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i think it was rtx voice... i just installed it, realised the issue came back right as it finished installing. uninstalled it and poof, it was gone

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i swore by rtx voice, i recommended it to everyone with an rtx card. how could it betray me like that Sadcatthumb

violet plank
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remove the clamps holding it down

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rtx voice is a thing?

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don't think i know anyone using it

supple bane
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I know loads of people using it

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It's an amazing tool, for most people

violet plank
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never cared about it so far,what's it good for? or better than other voice progs

supple bane
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Well it's about the same or slightly better than Krisp. It cuts out all back ground audio and there is no quality degredation

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The advantage is that its free

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Krisp and most other software there is a monthly fee

violet plank
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hmm nice

supple bane
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Despite it being called rtx voice, and everywhere saying it requires rtx cards. It can work on anything with some tinkering

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My friend has it working on a 1050ti

violet plank
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amd cards as well ?

supple bane
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I imagine so

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The biggest downside is there is a slight performance hit

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As it runs ai on the gpu to cut out audio, you lose about 5 fps

violet plank
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that sucks a little bit

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prefer it on the cpu as there are free resources when i play

supple bane
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I honestly cant wait to get my br headset now, I want christmas to come already Sadcatthumb

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Still got 5 months to go

quaint topaz
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Need to take better care of this gonk droid jdoddnotlikethis

violet plank
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cleaning time blobglare

supple bane
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Yeah disadvantage of having a custom case, I have no filters

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It's one dusty boi

violet plank
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make some custom filters haHAA

quaint topaz
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I'm not very satisfied with my NZXT S340 Elite

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I'm definitely going for a Lian Li case for my next build.

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There's very little room for cable management in the back. The back cover is literally bulging and stressing the screws holding it in place ...

supple bane
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that was the same for my case i had before my desk pc, the corsair carbide 275r

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i could barely squeeze the back on once it was built up

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now tbf, my cable management skills are shoddy on a good day. and im very lazy so that doesnt help

quaint topaz
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I spent a good hour making sure everything's clean and snug and it still bulges

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Could be the braided cable extensions but it's still bad

gray wyvern
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Really? I always was into the look of NZXT but maybe I should reconsider. Lian Li is looking pretty nice tho

storm osprey
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NZXT are decent, but theres better for the price

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personally i suggest getting phantkets p400a at a base point, then meshify c if you can drop a few more bucks

latent light
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Phanteks seems to have the best value in terms of airflow

storm osprey
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yea p400a is solid all around for the price

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yea 80 bucks, pretty damn good

latent light
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disagree, i5-7600K was a worse purchase

digital hill
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I have the same issue with my fractual design focus g

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I have to hammer my leg to make sure the screws are holding it in

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It works but my cable management is the best I could do without cable ties

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or the quote from the verge "tweezers"

storm osprey
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how dare you bring up the verge

supple bane
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The cable management of my desk pc is horrifying. but it doesnt really matter as i have like a foot of space and no one can see it haHAA

supple bane
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Das one chonky stream deck

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Or is it a drum pad? LUL

quaint topaz
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Novation launchpad

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I don't see it for it's intended purpose lol

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Remapped each button for a different key binding

digital hill
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Also question about that cable management how the fuck is not falling off

molten coral
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Also question about that cable management how the fuck is not falling off
wdym

quaint topaz
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^

digital hill
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Granty desk system

molten coral
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oh lol

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Looks pretty good for 399

storm osprey
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isnt the processor some 725 or something like that?

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iphone se > nord

molten coral
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765G

supple bane
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@digital hill there are these pad things holding it up

digital hill
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Ah

supple bane
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I'll circle one

digital hill
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Ah thanks

storm osprey
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those cables hurt

supple bane
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Honestly, I did this on day 4. I couldn't be arsed at this point

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To build something pretty

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I just bundled them all up and stuck them to the desk

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Honestly the way that board which all the parts are on is suspended is the scariest part

digital hill
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That painful cable management is true

supple bane
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6 L brackets hold that up, which is fine until u realise how hollow and flimsy the IKEA desks area. Those 6 brackets are screwed into basically nothing

digital hill
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But I can say its great as its hard to even get some decent cable management from under the desk

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If I can spell shit

violet plank
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who needs a desk build when you can have a wall build haHAA