here is my mac
#technology
opaque saddle
ripe heath
opaque saddle
only the imac and macbook 16" can run bfv
ripe heath
You might be able to do that with extremely low settings
opaque saddle
keen in mind that the thermo is a pain in this case
astral blaze
What’s the minimum power I’d need? I spec’d my Mac for music production but RAM is the biggest issue right?
Thermo?
ripe heath
@astral blaze The link I Sent will tell you all about it
astral blaze
Like for BFV to run on it
ripe heath
You can also buy an external GPU
opaque saddle
16gb is more than enough. unless youre doing studio recording
imac or macbook tho
coz you cant really run bfv on macbook due to thermo
but imac is good enough for that
astral blaze
Yeah mines got 64gb. It’s a 27” iMac, but not the Mac Pro
opaque saddle
which year
astral blaze
2019
ripe heath
@astral blaze Don’t buy a windows 10 key from the windows website but you should buy it off eBay
astral blaze
No I’m not
ripe heath
@opaque saddle why not
opaque saddle
if you are a student, you can get a free copy of windows 10 edu
nah go for legit sites
ripe heath
But u will spen like $100
opaque saddle
coz those ebay or not legitimate keys may not work after a few months
astral blaze
Oooo my girlfriend is in college, maybe that would work
ripe heath
Well it doesn’t really matter where u buy it
opaque saddle
it does, coz i know some of them microsoft may actually revoke the keys
ripe heath
But Designate enough space on your hard drive to run battlefield and Windows operating system and anything else you want on your Windows machine
astral blaze
I’ll see if I could get it through her student discount. So that windows 10 edu would work on a Mac? Or would I still have to get that key thing
ripe heath
@astral blaze Read the link I sent you from Apple
If you want your game to look better I recommend getting an external GPU to run when you are running windows
Like this
You buy the case then you buy a PC GPU And plug it into your Mac running windows and it will be like a gaming PC
opaque saddle
i mean you dont need to spend >100 bucks for a windows key from MS, you can get it for $11.4 for legit sites that are MS authorised
astral blaze
I like that boot camp thing
ripe heath
@astral blaze just do bootcamp
astral blaze
I shoulda done this 2 months ago when I first started working from home 😂 I’d be playing Battlefield all day
I’m definitely doing Bootcamp
ripe heath
K
You can play any steam or origin game with Boot Camp
Like I play city skylines On my Mac when I’m away from my gaming PC or PS4
So? Will u do it?
@astral blaze
astral blaze
Oh yeah I’m gonna do it
lofty light
Why would you need to buy a key tbh
Just use it unlicensed if you're a cheapskate
I've got two unlicensed windows VMS that I use because it's too damn annoying to keep buying keysb
opaque saddle
you can bring your old windows 10 key over to the new desktop tho
supple bane
my windows was inactivated for 6 months, i got a news graphics card and with that it was activated again, bargin
austere pawn
The hardware is part of the identification of the system or something
supple bane
yeah, but not in that way
when you enter a code it uses your hardware to make a unique key for your machine
and if you change hardware. the key will be wrong and it wont be activated.
but i changed hardware and it became activated. so i dont know how that works
opaque saddle
I think you have to sync your Microsoft account to the old computer
Then login to the new/modified PC with the same account
This is how you bring the key to the new PC
If you make slight changes to the PC hardware that will be fine
But some OEM keys will not allow that happening so it’s very unlikely allowing you to do so
violet plank
you can wait til the MS call center in india is on duty,those guys are very generous,like you get a valid new key in 99%,even if your key is not
worked for me even with OEM keys
works also with win7/8 keys
to a new upgraded win 10 key
patent shard
Hey! does anyone know what the key in nordylls war (i think thats how you type it) is used for
vale gull
i7 8700, rtx 2070, 16 gb ram
almost all medium settings and i barely got 70-80 fps
it generally drops to 45-50 fps
my drivers are updated and i dont know where is the problem
supple bane
is it 1x16gb or 2x8gb? @vale gull
lean cipher
my pc finally can handle a bf game
battfield 4
it can actually handle it lol
4 gb ram min
and i have 8 gb ram
i will get very good fps finally
molten bramble
Meh
violet plank
not impressed ? 
molten bramble
Snuh
violet plank
snuh? 
storm osprey
death by snusnu?
molten bramble
Gah
molten bramble
Original projected date was in June wasn't it? But then it was supposed to be pushed back?
violet plank
august actually
my guess is the just want to release the next gen before amd does release big navi
whenever that will be
maybe we get lucky and they will announce something tomorrow,but i doubt it,just server cards planed
err pro cards
storm osprey
yea people suspecting august like 2000 series was
storm osprey
fps depends on the game and "settings"
storm osprey
30 is minimum, i pref 60 but 30 is not really a problem for certain games
and those certain games normally choose graphics over frames for said reason
supple bane
30 fps is unplayable for an fps
Fine for a casual game. But definitely not something fast paced
I was watching some gameplay of mine which I accidentally uploaded at 30 fps and it was making me feel dizzy
left urchin
hi guys
supple bane
I wouldn't call it a great experience
supple bane
Ok?
storm osprey
congratulations @left urchin
lofty light
I play on GameCube
strong breach
Honestly thought
it's amazing that even on 2020 not all games run at 60fps minimum
digital hill
Well I like to thank the shitty core 2 duos for causing that
storm osprey
Well graphics will always increase so it’s just a matter of determining what they are going for
If we are getting ray tracing next gen that’s obviously a huge point of horse power
vestal prism
Aaa
Also guys
Can you help me I might make a gaming pc and I need some help
On what I need and what is good
opaque saddle
i guess @latent light shall make a list of budget/1000/1500/2000 bucks PC building list and save it and let people to share it
storm osprey
Prices changed all the time, not to mention needs and wants, games, resolution, etc
There’s a point of questions to be answered for a build I recommend you read those
vestal prism
Would you say the Dell G5 Gaming Desktop is good?
lofty light
Prebuilts are almost always bad
Especially from bigger companies like Dell
Honestly if you want a prebuild look at what your local computer shop offers
vestal prism
so ur saying I should just make one?
lofty light
That's what I'd do, you save money and make sure you don't get scammed
supple bane
are you going to be gaming @vestal prism ?
if you are going to be using your pc as a workstation, then yeah looks pretty good. but it only has a 60hz refresh rate from what i can see, so i wouldnt recommend it for gaming
vestal prism
Alr
What would you recommend for gaming that isn’t super expensive
Also how much do they usually cost
molten coral
144hz 1080p are around 200-300
opaque saddle
i got my 144hz 1440p ips for $255
storm osprey
@vestal prism pre builts even at a good price usually have worse quality components
youll get a 2080 that is a blower or single fan, youll get the cheapest ram possible, a poorly rated power supply, and a crappy micro ATX MB in a full sized case
supple bane
ppffhttt
lean cipher
should i get a built or pre built
supple bane
10600k has a 125w tdp
storm osprey
always build
lean cipher
what if i have never built one before
supple bane
then watch a youtube video
lean cipher
i could destroy the parts
storm osprey
that was the case with absolutely everyone at one point
its VERY hard to fuck it up
supple bane
its almost impossible to destroy computer parts
lean cipher
i actually did fuck something up
storm osprey
there was a video years ago where a builder did absolutely everything wrong and the pc still worked
lean cipher
i wanted to install new ram in my pc and i broke the ram
storm osprey
(intentionally built wrong, not the verge kind of wrong)
supple bane
i watched someone spray water onto a computer whilst it was running and even that took a while to die
storm osprey
@lean cipher well if you watched a video and they told you to line up the notches and you listened you would have been fine
supple bane
thats easy to counter. dont build on carpet, or wearing clothes that produce static
storm osprey
jayz2cents took an electric rod to his pc and it still worked
supple bane
i put my gpu power cable in upside down once and it was fine lol
storm osprey
west willow
with a pre-built you mostly get crap quality ones, even if it's technically a 3080 or something
storm osprey
prebuilts are basically "tick mark" spec sheets
16gb of ram, i7, 2080
ram is slowest frequency, bad timings and a brand you never heard of
i7 is an 7700
2080 is a pny single fan
strong breach
Verge would still approve that build
supple bane
according to userbenchmark, the i5 10600k outperforms the 9900k
but i cant find anything to back that up
prime jasper
hmm
supple bane
west willow
Call bullshit on that, userbenchmark isn't exactly the most accurate. Maybe in single-core but it stops there.
supple bane
hey, let a man dream 
storm osprey
6x12t is more than enough for me, as long as it gives bang for buck gaming performance ill end up getting it
supple bane
Only thing I'm not sure about with that chip is the price and the power consumption
west willow
True, I mean I have a 3600, just saying userbenchmark isn't that accurate
storm osprey
i could care less about power consumption, i bought an 850w psu for 100 bucks years ago
supple bane
Still need a beefy cooler
storm osprey
cooler is considered in price to performance personally
supple bane
Plus you are paying the same price as a very capable 8 core 16 thread
Which might be better in the long run
storm osprey
ehh, i thought the core count explosion is not going to be going forward
even for gaming very few games really benefit off 6c12t
violet plank
it will
supple bane
Depends
storm osprey
it will EVENTUALLY
violet plank
it will for sure
west willow
Eventually it has to, yes
storm osprey
but its definitely not going to keep this pace
west willow
who knows
storm osprey
and games havent even kept up with the core count pace either
violet plank
8 core will become the new normal,like 4 core was
west willow
it's a matter of time
storm osprey
16 core will become the new normal, but when? in 20 years?
west willow
8 core will be the standard eventually, but like Nyphon said, when?
storm osprey
consoles normally have more core counts though
violet plank
you know how bad consoles games are ported to pc 
storm osprey
people have been saying since ps4/xbox one that they were going to determine core counts going forward
violet plank
bfv uses all my cores and more than 16 gigs ram,your turn 😛
storm osprey
and it took till the tail end of this gen for that to become remotely the truth
bfv is not "the standard"
definitely the outlier
storm osprey
for 95% of gaming, i dont see 8c8t or 8c16t becoming NECESSARY till at least 2025
hell i would even say 2030
violet plank
the other thing,if the new gen gpus become so powerful as expected,the cpu's will start to bottleneck
lol dream on with 2025
give it 2 years
ma
x
violet plank
we can always bet about it
storm osprey
you think in 2 years its suddenly going to jump?
west willow
Not so sure about that, can't really push clockspeed and ipc that far anymore.
So maybe we'll just keep increasing core count instead
prime jasper
steam is not a very good indication though, lots of games are indie with very low requirements
you have to look at upcoming AAAs
storm osprey
im talking about what is necessary
violet plank
storm osprey
if you want to say that the unoptimized mess of bfv is "standard' and use that as an indication of what is necessary thats your decision
violet plank
20% already on 6 cores
west willow
True, I'm sure that includes a lot of older PCs that only get used occasionally for gaming
and just have steam installed with some lighter titles
storm osprey
even so, i bet new games coming out would run on 4c8t just fine
west willow
4c8t sure, although not all of them will be completely smooth
violet plank
if i look at cpu's sold around here,it no 1 cpu's are 8 cores since months,after that 6 cores,almost no 4 cores anymore
storm osprey
actually, they will run, thats basically a guarantee, just comes to a case by case basis on if the performance is good enough for you
if i look at cpu's sold around here,it no 1 cpu's are 8 cores since months,after that 6 cores,almost no 4 cores anymore
@violet plank whats being bought is a different story of what is the standard for gaming
violet plank
eu is fully amd ryzen land,no idea about the us
storm osprey
mid tier is now 6c12t, theres no reason not to get those when they were priced at 85 usd compared to anything else
its more of a "why the fuck not" than "this is what i NEED"
violet plank
i don't buy what i need rn,i want it a bit future proof too,as far that's possible to predict
if i would buy what i like,that would not make any sense at all
storm osprey
i guess we will just have to wait till 2025 and 2030 to see where things are
unless we get another explosion in core count that ryzen brought out 3 years ago i dont see 8c cpus being the "standard" in 2030
west willow
Think I'll just get a used ryzen 7 or toss out my current mobo when the time comes
violet plank
i'm on a 3700x rn,fit my needs perfectly,but gonna upgrade for 4000 when it hits the shelfs
could use some more ipc
west willow
Also depends if the B450 will support any Zen 3 chips whatsoever. Zen 2 didn't officially support B350 as well ¯_(ツ)_/¯
west willow
If I can't get a used Zen 3 a few years dwon the line there's a bigger chance I'll just get a new mobo altogether
Yeah, I think so
Mine has 32mb, but most only have 16
That's why there's no official zen 3 support
prime jasper
dont care, I can slap a 3950x and 32gb RAM into my board and ride off into the sunset until ddr5 gets out of meme territory
west willow
Same thing for the B350s and Zen2s
violet plank
if it runs it runs i guess
prime jasper
a 3950x in a b350 is questionable at best lol
violet plank
if ddr5 is the same as ddr4 at the start,there will be zero benefit
iirc ddr3 was even faster then the first ddr4 kits
west willow
@prime jasper Oh no, I didn't mean that. Just that Zen 2 wasn't supported on B350. Like the B450 an d Zen 3 now
So there's a chance there is still support for the B450 with a Bios flash
violet plank
the "official" support
ofc they wanna sell new boards/chipsets
oh,didn't realize the new a100 ampere gpu's need amd epyic cpu's
poor intel 
i assume the 3xxx cards will have pice 4 as well then
storm osprey
yes?
bfv can technically be ran off a 4c4t cpu, though you are likely to get stupid amount of stutter and low frames
3600 is the go to gaming only cpu right now
opaque saddle
The best budget cpu with low cost that is capable to handle large AAA titles
green lintel
Can I run bfv in my calculator?
wooden creek
I dont see why not
lofty light
Maybe if you had two calculators to balance the load
pine wing
@storm osprey Thanks ill have a look at pricing then
violet plank
wtf,did i read that right,for the i9 10900k to hit it's all core boost the cpu temp has to be below 70 degree C?lmao,do they include ln2 cooling ?
supple bane
pfht
hah
they wish
do they expect everyone to have a custom loop or something?
well saying that. if you can afford that chip, you can probably afford a custom loop
violet plank
pre sale is 600$
i highly doubt any aio can keep that chip below 70 C on all core boost
supple bane
its tdp is 125w but i really doubt thats accurate
my guess is 150+w
the 10600k also has a 125w tdp. and that cant be right
violet plank
even my 3700x goes up to 72/3 C on constant full load,and that's a 65W chip lul
supple bane
yeah again. it draws more than that
violet plank
250W all core is intels statement,if it's true,well...
supple bane
i have a 240mm aio and my chip draws anywhere between 95-100w with an overclock. and it doesnt go over 60 degrees ususally
violet plank
maybe they cut the power at 250W,i guess it could go way higher,but that would simply burn it into oblivion
280 aio and noctua d15 here
violet plank
i change them sometimes depending the case i use
not both at the same time lol
they have about the same cooling power
supple bane
the cooler i have is super overkill but i got it at a banging price so
a 240mm aio simply isnt needed for a 2600 lol
but it was the same price as an air cooler. was 50% off
violet plank
bit overkill yeah
supple bane
40 pounds
supple bane
deepcool
violet plank
ah,better
supple bane
deepcool l240
violet plank
better pump iirc
more quiet
and better cooling
but 40£,wtf,that's like for free for that aio
supple bane
there was also the next model up, the l240t for the same price. the rad looks nicer but the pump looks wank
first one is the one i have, and the second one is the nxt model up
also damn, the price is down again
violet plank
why are they so cheap in the uk ?
supple bane
130 pounds
violet plank
right,found it
supple bane
this cooler might just be really low end. but again, i only have a 2600. i havent been able to stress it that much
as i said. with an overclock it keeps it sub 60 degrees. which could be either down to a low tdp chip or my magic cooler lol
violet plank
i have to try the stock cooler sometimes
supple bane
oh with the stock cooler the overclock i run was unusable lol
violet plank
sub 60 is great
supple bane
instantly 85 degrees+ and rising
supple bane
oh that rgb one?
violet plank
yeah
violet plank
something like that
supple bane
wraith prism!
rough sinew
supple bane
one thing with this cooler which im not sure happens with other water coolers is the temperatures seem to spike as soon as there is a load but then settle
like i was idling at 29 degrees then, i opened task manager and it shot up to 40 and then settled back down
violet plank
normal for ryzen,at least 3xxx
and most thermal programs trigger that as well
best to use ryzen master to read out thermals,it does not trigger the cpu to spike
supple bane
yeah thats what im using
its what i use for overclocking too, because my bios has me confuzzled
supple bane
i probably wont buy a gigabyte board again on an overclocking capable chip
violet plank
gigashyte
supple bane
trying to get the voltage right in this bios is a nightmare. ive had this board for at least 6 months and i still havent been able to do it lol
supple bane
all i ask is there just to be a fucking box saying "enter fucking voltage"
and i could type "1.35" and be done with it
violet plank
imo asus has still the best bios for oc and tweaking
supple bane
but no, they have this crappy offset thing which i have no idea how to use
and even when i do just put some random offset on to see what it does, the voltage according to hwinfo doesnt change
violet plank
yep,that's gigabyte lol
violet plank
btw,this about ryzen temps,but i assume you already know that one
still valid
i still got my gigbyte gpu,the only one i ever had to flash a new bios 
supple bane
ive had to go ham on this gpu to get it to work lol
violet plank
dafuq lol
supple bane
firstly i had to bend the prongs at the back of the io plate thing
as they wouldnt fit into my case
and then i had to pull the bottm part of the shroud down as the fans kept catching
violet plank
wtf
supple bane
and making that horrific sound
supple bane
its mostly fixed now. its what i get for getting one of the cheapest 2070's there was
supple bane
windforce 2x
violet plank
thought windforce has always 3 fans
supple bane
violet plank
that's msi right ?
supple bane
oh windforce x2 sorry lol
violet plank
or what was the name of the msi fan thingy
supple bane
i wouldnt have had any of these problems if i had got the 5700xt. but i didnt want to risk the driver issues
with my budget i could have got a nice 5700xt or a cheap 2070. i opted for the latter
and i dont regret my decision at all. after constantly seeing 5700xt's fail
the card isnt all bad. obviously it was cheap. its quiet and looks ok
violet plank
was the same with mine,after i flashed a new bios it has never failed me,but before....
supple bane
and on an open bench it runs at a respectable temperature
not so much in a case. but that could also be down to bad airflow. not the card
violet plank
got no hands on experience on 5700xt's
only read about the driver issues
yeah,might be bad airflow
supple bane
a close friend of mine and nyphon brought 5700(xt) after the "fix" and both had problems
violet plank
you got your cpu as intake or exhaust ?
supple bane
i need to switch my fans around. but just cba atm lol. i have my rad on the front as an intake. and the top 2 fans also intaking with the rear fan as an exahust
i need to put the rad on the top as an exhaust. and all other fans as intake i think
violet plank
front intake for the cpu is actually good
supple bane
yeah great for the cpu. but im blowing hot air straight at my gpu
and my gpu is what needs the cooling. not my cpu
violet plank
as you said,try top exhaust
not much options there
2 front intake and cpu top exhaust
maybe a back exhaust
supple bane
i will. im still scarred atm from the last time i messed with these rgb cables and blew my motherboard up lol
violet plank
i remember
supple bane
ik its fine, and ik what i did wrong. but im still too scared to mess with them
violet plank
there is 2 versions of rgb,the stupid 12v 4 pin and the argb 3 pin 5v
just don't mix them anywhere else and you're good
supple bane
i blame deepcool for that tbh. for them making it possible to connect the power supply directly into the motherboard rgb connector lol
and making it so easy to do, as the cables all look so similar
violet plank
maybe that's why it's so cheap
supple bane
maybe yeah
violet plank
you could always get a rgb hub,easier (safer)
violet plank
but on the other hand,you'll probably need everything from the same brand then
there we go lol
corsair is the same shit
supple bane
another thing. i have the same fans all over my system (rf120's) 2 of them came with the aio and the other 3 i brought seperatly. and for some stupid reason. the 2 that came with the aio are male connectors and the other 3 are female
so im having to control 3 with the wired controller which uses the power supply. and the other stuff can be done of the motherboard
violet plank
maybe to daisy chain ?
supple bane
i emailed them about that, and they said it wasnt possible
violet plank
lol
supple bane
when i got these parts i was at a weird price point. i could get a really nice, but slower part. like a nice 2060 super. or a cheaper but faster part like the 2070
and the same thing goes for the case and all of my cooling system
sour sparrow
Anyone else has almost the exact same fps when playing on low vs ultra?
Playing at 1440p 3700 X and 2070 super
violet plank
depends on the map but yes,mostly not too much difference
sour sparrow
Ok
supple bane
i notice that going from ultra to low, instead of fps going up, usage just goes down
sour sparrow
Yeah
violet plank
low/high mesh 1440p 144hz = 144fps,same on high settings around 120fps
with some drops
supple bane
i have that issue with 1080p. if i try play at 1080p i get the same fps but gpu usage has dropped massively
sour sparrow
What specs do you have, Isuni
supple bane
which is annoying, as i would like to play bfv at 1080p to get that 144fps
violet plank
same except 1080ti
supple bane
basically the same then lol
sour sparrow
Yeah
violet plank
almost
supple bane
1080ti=2070 super roughly
violet plank
32 gig highly oc ram which get's me some better low 1% fps
violet plank
maybe cause the 1080ti has a higher bandwith,dunno
supple bane
yeah they are still different cards
violet plank
i do get drops on high below 120
like on huge maps
but i play on low settings anyways
except mesh
@supple bane
violet plank
to see my enemies better
sour sparrow
lol
supple bane
he likes to get to know his enemies before he blows their face off
violet plank
mesh high = soldiers more visible
violet plank
but that only works if everything else is set to low
sour sparrow
Ok
Do you guys also have this bug, where enemies further away than about 100 m are glowing orange?
It feels like cheating
violet plank
like real glowing ?
supple bane
oh i have something similar!
sour sparrow
YES
violet plank
weird
sour sparrow
White and orange
supple bane
but they are neon green not orange lol
sour sparrow
lol, no way
violet plank
cheaters!
sour sparrow
I don't get this all the time, but when it happens, it's really noticable
sour sparrow
YES
violet plank
i only get it sometimes with a plane when in scope,they appear in bright white
violet plank
wtf,i want that too lol
sour sparrow
And I also don't have it completely in one color
violet plank
supple bane
heheh
its not my fault you suck
saying that, i have never seen your stats or anything
violet plank
pffff
supple bane
you may well be better than me
violet plank
dunno,don't care much about stats
sour sparrow
Grant, which program do you use to show your temperatures in the top left corner?
supple bane
msi afterburner
violet plank
riva tuner with msi afterburner
sour sparrow
Maybe you post in stats, so we can all see
violet plank
i use the same
supple bane
i also mainly have played squad conquest. which is really easy to win with a good squad alone
supple bane
its on that message
supple bane
mhm
mild bough
My friend wants to buy a GPU, his budget is 150$ give or take
What GPU should he buy?
supple bane
Rx 570
mild bough
wow
he wants to buy a gtx 1650
i have to convince him
or is gtx 1650 good @supple bane
mild bough
I don't think he is gonna play battlefield
sour sparrow
Even a 1650 super can't beat the rx 570 in battlefield 5 if i recall correctly
mild bough
I just came here because here is where the pros are
sour sparrow
Why are we the pros?
mild bough
bruh
sour sparrow
This is a battlefield discord server
mild bough
granty, zen, nyphon and ace is the tech pros
so i come here when i have tech questions
Yes this is a Battlefield server, but the channel #technology is related to anything nerdy stuff, so like tech stuff and questions
storm osprey
you forgot grim and killa
storm osprey
well some people are just completely clueless about this stuff but will still recommend parts
errant cairn
Like me
I don't understand PC stuff, I just love tanks, if you want to know some stuff on a tank, just ask me
prime jasper
which tanks have built in coffee machines?
storm osprey
asking the real questions
errant cairn
I have no idea, I forgot what tank it was, all I know is it was a British tank, and it had a water heater for tea
prime jasper
British
lol of course it did
errant cairn
I think it was a Challenger 2 or something
prime jasper
I'm reminded of the USAF having these really expensive electric self-heating coffee mugs that cost the taxpayer so much money to replace parts for
storm osprey
a quick google search suggests acer swift 3
but thats out of stock
wouldnt we need to know the software he is using too though? i dont video edit but i assume certain software works better off more cores or higher IPC, even though i think AMDs laptop cpus are better than intels in both regards...
strong pine
anyone one see how quick ducky keyboard went out of stock?
storm osprey
why was that?
strong pine
what u mean?
storm osprey
why did ducky keyboards go out of stock fast...
molten bramble
???
lilac surge
Hey I’m wondering if I can stream from PlayStation 4, and I have discord on my phone. Help?
Ps if I can’t do that can I stream through camera
I’m new to discord so I’m a noob :/
molten bramble
@lilac surge Not sure what your question is trying to ask.
molten bramble
I mean, I guess you could, but that would be horrible. Why would you want to do that?
lilac surge
Idk because I don’t know how to stream from ps4 to discord which I have on mobile
See
I’m dumb
molten bramble
You can't.
lilac surge
Oof
That’s why I want to stream from camera
I’m just streaming to a friend so it doesn’t need to be 4K uhd or anything lol
molten bramble
You can setup a computer with a capture card, or something like a El Gato capture/passthrough.
molten bramble
Not going to be able to do it from your phone though.
I mean, technically you could if you're just pointing the phone's camera at your screen, but that's going to be beyond horrible.
frosty gust
I need help with my xbox
limpid vapor
@frosty gust what is it?
errant cairn
You can also try to connect to the servers, it tells you at the bottom of the screen in the corner, you might have to do it more than once. @frosty gust
past kindle
I need help with my PS4
errant cairn
Mmmk
past kindle
I can't play bf v online
errant cairn
Look up a bit
errant cairn
Look at what I told the other guy
errant cairn
Try loading up a different game then com back
past kindle
It doesn't work
autumn ice
Yo anyone remember athlon 64 x2?
latent light
Yes
digital hill
I own a pc with an althon x4 9750
opaque saddle
I used to have the 4000+
karmic copper
Why not? I have a couple nog these. I also using the Phenom X4 9550 for my HTPC with a GT 730
digital hill
Its a great xp machine but a terrible machine for modern operating systems
opaque saddle
Was using z8300 machines coz it only rated 2w (up to 4w TDP) while running a weather station server
digital hill
So why would a low powered machine run a weather station server I may ask
opaque saddle
Coz it uses 4w power only
The calculation can be offload to my main pc and console
However, it takes around 15 seconds to load up a graph or 5 second to refresh the page each time (every minute)
ashen ether
fast swift
what about google consoles
ashen blade
In between 300-500 USD
lofty light
Why not just stadia
digital hill
Why not ouya
lofty light
Ouya 
why'd the world have to do my boy so bad
fallen harbor
hello my nerdos
i am very outdated
has amd released any competition against the nvidia 20x series yet?
supple bane
yeah sorta
the 5000 series
the 5700xt is a direct competitor to the 2070/2070 super and the 5700 is a direct competitor to the 2070 and 2060 super
there isnt a competitor to the 2080/2080ti tho
fallen harbor
the 5700xt is a direct competitor to the 2070/2070 super and the 5700 is a direct competitor to the 2070 and 2060 super
neato
is any of those 5700s built for ray tracing as well or not?
i hope not i guess
supple bane
no amd card is ray tracing capable as of yet
fallen harbor
nice
fallen harbor
for me personally at least i guess
since almost no game uses ray tracing yet and i personally dont crave it either and it adds a lot of value to the card
id rather go for a powerful card that doesnt care about ray tracing
as for now
i keep hearing that intel works better with nvidia than amd gpus but i also hear it's a myth
how can i know who's right
fallen harbor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
supple bane
atm, most people are running ryzen cpu's with rtx cards iirc. so there is a lot of people missing out on performance if it was true lol
fallen harbor
ic
storm osprey
well for gaming, especialy high end cpus, intel still has the best performance, so maybe thats what they mean?
but you spend more to get marginal performance gains
latent light
Ryzen 4000 expected to have 15-17% IPC gain, could be even higher according to engineers
storm osprey
DOPE
supple bane
That honestly seems too good to be true to me
fallen harbor
huh can somebody explain this to me in dumb mode pls
prime jasper
its just rumors
storm osprey
@fallen harbor IPC is instructiong per cycle, basically how strong individual cores are
west willow
IPC is how many instructions a CPU can complete in a cycle, clockspeed how much cycles it can complete in a second. The more instructions a core can complete in a second , the faster it generally is.
violet plank
lmao,testing and "felt",the point when you now your read fake rumors
untold tiger
RX 5700 and 5700 XT are fast cards for the price, but Nvidia's software and feature-set still reigns supreme.
Certain 5700 XT's can overclock to come within pretty close striking distance of a 2070 Super - within 5%
If performance is your only concern, by all means go Radeon. Nvidia's driver support is far more frequent and better optimized, their software suites are objectively superior, and all Turing cards have built-in capture devices that support the new NVENC codec.
There's also obviously ray tracing and some of the new AI enhancements with the tensor cores. Also, DLSS is pretty lit.
lofty light
AMD drivers still occasionally come out with the worst possible support you'd ever see
Hmm, but I can buy a 5700XT for significantly less than a 2070 super
digital hill
You know whats gonna be sad the ps5 will now outperform the rx 400-500 series of gpu's
meaning now I can't call my pc a console killer for the ps5
lofty light
Things change 🤷♀️
fallen harbor
RX 5700 and 5700 XT are fast cards for the price, but Nvidia's software and feature-set still reigns supreme.
does it though? I have never had any sort of issue regarding the amd drivers
supple sun
Isnt it a good thing that consoles are starting to really compete with top of the line gaming hardware?
fallen harbor
high end pcs will be similar to consoles the year consoles come out, then consoles will get behind and will launch a new generation of consoles to catch up
Not with last gen at least
yes, the ps4 wasn't far from a high end pc back in 2014
supple sun
It wasn't far from but it didn't out perform
I'm just saying eventually we'll have much more affordable gaming hardware
fallen harbor
as far as i am concerned, the ps5 will have a significantly higher price at lunch that the one the ps4 had at its time
so it will be better but also more expensive
so idk if thats good or bad
supple sun
Idk
Sony is willing to take a loss on the console to sell games on their storefront and sell exclusives
Steam, epic, origin all take a cut of sales, so does Microsoft and Sony when they sell games digitally
digital hill
Though I think sony may stop exclusives soon
As on the pc they have been porting horizon zero dawn which was an only ps4 exculsive which is coming to pc
fallen harbor
i heard rumours about bloodborne getting to pc but tbh i fail to see that happening
anybody knows anything about that?
digital hill
No but I know horizon may be coming to pc
They have a steam page up and running
Also wanna know something funny after bill gates left microsoft, windows 10 got gaming features
digital hill
He stepped down from the board no idea
untold tiger
He left Microsoft like 15 years ago, lol
ember hatch
Lol
untold tiger
Also, Horizon is coming to PC next month I'm certain.
As is Death Stranding
But it's good that consoles are going to be in a more than competent position moving forward. We'll get to see a big jump in graphical fidelity and such altogether, since most game developers design games with the least common denominator still in mind. There only big exception to this was Crysis in 2007.
digital hill
oh yeah it caused many pc to die
untold tiger
And if RDNA 2.0 and Ampere leaks are true, computer graphics are basically going to be CGI level moving forward
digital hill
If its gonna be that realistic then won't that impose a problem in vr as how can you tell if your in a videogame anymore?
untold tiger
I mean, some of the playable tech demos from Unreal and Unity last year were basically that.
But now consoles are in a place where they'll be able to push that kind of tech, as the Unreal 5 PS5 demo has shown, so game development collectively will move in that direction.
What's cool is that even though Unreal bought out Quixel earlier this year, Unity will still be supporting the tech and receiving updates.
supple sun
Until games start consistently running at 60-120fps on console while looking stunning I'm not going to be too impressed
digital hill
its still stuck at 30fps I heard
supple sun
The console isnt
Just devs are lazy atm
Itll probably be a couple years before we see a triple A title on console running at 120 fps and it'll probably be a game that doesnt need much power to begin with
storm osprey
Games can do 60 FPS but devs will push graphics over that if they want to.
Not only that but TVs are pushing resolution over FPS too so resolution takes a lot of resources too
fallow rock
I do not have the tech, sorry
slate rivet
anyone use VDI? - WVD?
prime jasper
slate rivet
why?
slate rivet
ah
supple bane
latent light
We got enough people complaining to where AMD is working out a way to support Ryzen 4000 on 400 series boards
prime jasper
storm osprey
@prime jasper youre name is against the rules as a heads up
Rule 4: Username, Status & Avatars
Your username, status, playing status & avatar must be appropriate. Blank names & disruptive or unusual unicode characters such as zalgo aren't allowed.
violet plank
hmm,seems to be legit after all
with a 240aio
now intel is suggesting using a 360 aio for that cpu
violet plank
still ring bus design,no need for more
prime jasper
digital hill
why would you need 64gb of ram
supple bane
video editing
any HEDT workflow for that matter
running multiple VM's on the same machine etx
digital hill
Ah
fallen harbor
is it true that nvidia will release the 30xx series this year?
wouldnt that be too soon?
storm osprey
strong suggestion, nothing confirmed
word is 3000 series will launch by september
2000 series was announced in august, launched in september iirc
fallen harbor
didnt the 1000 series last like 3 years?
its only been one year since the 2000 series
i think?
storm osprey
its been 1 year since the super refresh
2000 series launched in sept 2018
1000 series launched in may 2016
storm osprey
nah, when i got into pc gaming the 970 was brand new and that was 2014ish
fallen harbor
You know whats gonna be sad the ps5 will now outperform the rx 400-500 series of gpu's
Isnt it a good thing that consoles are starting to really compete with top of the line gaming hardware?
I wouldn't say RX400-500 series are top of the line gaming hardware at all
prime jasper
always the same discussion every console gen release lol
latent light
PS5 is comparable to a RTX 2070 while Xbox Series X is comparable to 2080
storm osprey
well before ps4/xbox one werent consoles good bang for buck value graphic wise?
obviously top of the line pc stuff was still better, but consoles got close for much cheaper
prime jasper
consoles won't compete with PCs. If your really think of the target audience and the long run costs you'll know
consoles are cheaper cause they do not sell at a profit
they earn profit from services
storm osprey
i think this gen sold at a profit iirc
storm osprey
i dont see the masses liking anything more than 500
prime jasper
nevertheless PC is better in my situation cause 1- Don't pay for online, 2- modular, 3- buy games at insane discount prices, etc.
I don't really care for exclusives much either
storm osprey
not paying for online and modular are really the only perks atm, consoles get solid discounts now
prime jasper
- consoles always advertise high fps and graphics but the truth is you get either this or that
they say "up to" and people believe that's the flat out performance
latent light
Sony thinks their 5.5 GB/s SSD bandwidth will make the PS5 better than the XSX, although the XSX gpu is 40% faster
storm osprey
idk why consoles are saying they are going for 120hz, theres very few 120hz tvs out there
prime jasper
fast SSDs are great but at some point you don't need faster than X amount. As end consumers we should keep in mind that by the end of the day companies are trying to earn our money by any means
so doesn't matter if your prefer company X or Y
still competition is to our advantage
storm osprey
it does, because company microsoft has no exclusives..
prime jasper
yeah I misphrased that. meant it fanboyism doesn't matter. Preferring and opinions though are great
storm osprey
thats why i always own pc, ps, and nintendo console
prime jasper
I went from console to gaming lap to pc. Not gonna buy ps5 cause friends will probably buy and we have an apartment for everyday gatherings and gaming etc.
(not during this pandemic though)
storm osprey
i always wait about 2 years to get consoles
if they keep doing "pro" versions i might just always wait for those
molten coral
i dont see the masses liking anything more than 500
@storm osprey 500 is pretty much max I would give for a console.
Anything more and you are almost better off getting a PC
prime jasper
Yeah PCs are more than just gaming, everyone needs at least a laptop or a PC anyways
storm osprey
its interesting that ps is putting exclusives on pc now too though
violet plank
seen the lou2 ps4pro edition @storm osprey ?
storm osprey
fuuuuu noooo
violet plank
go look it up
storm osprey
fuuuuu thats so nice
violet plank
but pricey
storm osprey
its not gaudy like other special editions
storm osprey
why is it pricey? isnt that msrp?
violet plank
it's with the game,so not sure
storm osprey
its 400 usd from what i saw
and if that comes with the game thats a deal
i have the loud AF ps4 pro so i might try to snag this...
violet plank
and the controller is also edition design
would be nice to know if it's some kind of a new revision
storm osprey
ehh anything is better than first year pro consoles
violet plank
don't wanna buy a vacuum
molten coral
anyone got a link ?
violet plank
true lol
storm osprey
molten coral
looks good
violet plank
storm osprey
im borderline tempted to buy it
violet plank
with a short video
molten coral
same tbh
violet plank
me 2 lol
violet plank
might have a good resell value sometimes
molten coral
sometimes
prime jasper
More of a collector’s item I guess
prime jasper
What’s the best collector’s items in recent games?
violet plank
CP will launch with at least 1 3xxx card if the rumors are true
violet plank
i'm sure there will be a remaster for ps5,wait or not ...
molten coral
Quick unboxing video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCkL7AN8mck
I've it on my PC case
the helmets are pretty heavy as well
prime jasper
Oh those look sick
molten coral
sadly it doesn't fit on my cat's head
storm osprey
lol i remember that part
used ps4 pros in my area are selling stupid high too
hell on amazon ps4 pros are going for 500
hmmm, so sell ps4 now, and pre order a special edition?!
sand phoenix
fam whos buying a ps4 in the literal end of its lifespan wot
storm osprey
if i sell my ps4 for 300, get the TLOU ps4 pro for 400 (game included), i would have technically paid 20 bucks for the system
(tlou ps4 pro comes with steelbook of the game, which is 80 bucks normally, which is what i will get no matter what)
molten coral
My old PS4 from 2013 won't be even worth selling
It's a jet engine and 7 years old doubt anyone would want it for 100-150.
storm osprey
idk, theres a shortage in usa from what i can tell
amazon says theres only 7 left, gamestop has no stock within 100 miles of me too
molten coral
We don't have any shortages here
gray wyvern
still 500 hot damn
storm osprey
literally an hour ago it said 7 in stock
molten coral
499 heck
gray wyvern
I want to play ps games but like moneh
molten coral
I like money too
storm osprey
latent light
Tlou2 leak ruined it for me
molten coral
I'll get 3 times my monthly wage in 4 days so will be rich af for a few weeks.
Although i've to get a laptop, scooter and some other shit
and book my holiday for 2025.
storm osprey
tloupt > all of that
gray wyvern
tlou2 is kinda cringe
digital hill
Can't wait for scalpers just take all those remove the games and call it ps4 pro 1tb for 500 and last of us part II 80
untold tiger
It's supposed to be a 20+ hour game
So seeing outcomes without context doesn't really ruin it, especially knowing there's no plans for a trilogy - I expect everyone to die and I expect polarizing outcomes. I just need to know how they get to said outcomes.
Since the theme seems to be revenge combined with "how far is too far?"
They actually got criticized for forcing a happy ending on Uncharted 4, but that was done more so as fan service, and I think they mostly nailed it. These characters don't really deserve that treatment.
molten bramble
^ Has nothing to do with #technology , take it over to #general Thanks
digital hill
You know whats funny
consoles are more likely to be scalped but pc parts like cpu or motherboards are barely scalped even if there most important
digital hill
True
fallen harbor
yo
im having a problem
i used to own a h61mk with an i7 3770 and a r9 380, I got a new pc last year so I gave my old pc to my sister. That old pc used to have this problem where it just randomly stopped working, lost screen and audio but the PC was still on. I asked at a local and they said the mobo was too old and needed to get its driver updated, so I did, and my sister never had that problem ever again for a year
but just tonight it happened again, twice
I restarted it, plugged the vga onto the mobo and it detected a signal (which means the mobo wasn't recognizing the gpu I guess), I assumed the gpu might be dead, but then I restarted again and it did detect the signal from the gpu normally
and stopped detecting it again after like 10 minutes
idk what to think now because idk what can cause it now after updating the mobo's driver
fallen harbor
it happened all the time 3 years ago and never again last year, so why would it mean it's dead now?
i mean im not denying it but it doesnt sound very logical to me
digital hill
Was the gpu bought used or new?
fallen harbor
new
i was told that it had an incompatibility with the h61mk
driver wise
its not like i did it just in case
digital hill
Hmmm
fallen harbor
i updated it because some people told me it's a fact
so i updated it and it indeed never happened again for an entire year
but it happened now twice
so im confused
digital hill
strange as gpu couldn't cause it and it could be a cable on your pc
If the pc was still on after lost screen maybe the cable you used for video could be bad
other then that dying psu maybe
digital hill
Whats the psu?
fallen harbor
hmm i dont remember, i think it's a thermaltake 500w
i cant think of deeper details right now
might check later
tomorrow
is there any way to check if the psu is performing well?
digital hill
Well replace it with another psu
fallen harbor
i want to be 100% sure of what causes the problem because buying anything
these things are very expensive where i live
digital hill
Ah do you have another pc?
Older that just sitting in a corner doing jack shit and dusting away
digital hill
Yeah try to make a pc and use that psu as some sort of test if it does the same thing then its the psu but if it does not then it isn't
like no case you could use a screwdriver to turn it on
fallen harbor
i never knew how to do that 😦
digital hill
Its very simple watch this video on how to do that