on 4:3
#technology
lean cipher
storm osprey
for csgo right?
lean cipher
siege
storm osprey
i didnt know that was a siege thing
and csgo they do 4:3 just because thats what they are used to afaik
lean cipher
yea
quaint topaz
Disadvantages of playing in 4:3 outweigh the advantages imo.
lean cipher
true
quaint topaz
You get a stretched view at the cost of losing fov.
lean cipher
yes
but with every advantage there is a disadvantage
anyway
i am gonna try and find parts
i already have the idea
yo the rdna big navi is so cool
but those gpus will cost a fortune
even the 3080
like will it literally cost 3000?
quaint topaz
Again, rumors.
No official word from nvidia has come out yet regarding release date or pricing.
But no doubt if pricing is well over $2500
latent light
RTX 3000 series pricing will probably be in line with 2000 series pricing
quaint topaz
2080 Ti pricing started at 1200 USD
lean cipher
but now its less
quaint topaz
Obviously yeah
storm osprey
3080 im guessing will be around 700 usd msrp
quaint topaz
3000 Series cards would be much more expensive considering their "leaked" stats.
quaint topaz
3080 Ti probably around 1500 USD I would say
lean cipher
so thats 1800 CAD around
lean cipher
well now cuz of covid
the exchange rate is rlly low
0.71
lol
we will se when it comes out
storm osprey
i expect 3080ti to be higher if leaks are true
id be surprised if 3080 jumped more than 100 bucks if at all
molten bramble
Supposedly Ampere production costs are less and therefore total cost for purchase would come down.
latent light
Unless they want to keep high margins
storm osprey
^
general consumers wont know that, they would just be happy if prices stood the same for more performance compared to 2000 series at launch
molten bramble
High margins is what cost them a significant customer base on the 2000 series and ended up getting them sued as well.
It seems they're looking for an expansion of the userbase/higher adoption rate. Their last SEC 10-K nods a bit to these issues. The way to get a higher adoption rate and increase demand is to lower the price. The consumer base should respond accordingly.
Otherwise, the majority of the new consumer base that could be capitalized on will wait until the 3000 series drops, and then start buying up 1000-2000 series cards instead since their prices should lower.
There is no way to capitalize on that type of user then. Better to sell at a lower price in volume than to make no sell at all and the consumers eat up backstock.It's all economic theory in this case, but I wouldn't be so sure MSRP is going to outpace the 2000 series cards.
storm osprey
they got sued for high margins?
is that a thing?
shouldnt a lot of things be getting sued? (cigarettes' for example)
molten bramble
They got sued due to a claim of inflated pricing, AMD got sued for the same thing (with more merit).
It boiled down to them claiming that supply wasn't available to meet demand due to the bitcoin mining craze, which is why the series went so high in price.
That reality was that the supply was and could have been available further, but they scaled back production to maximize profit supposedly.
Essentially, they took advantage of what the consumer might constitute a crisis, if true.
storm osprey
ah so that isnt directly tied to just outright selling your product at a higher price to make more
molten bramble
Then, allegedly in doing so, they engaged with partners and competitors to keep those prices fixed.
That's illegal.
storm osprey
right that makes sense
molten bramble
Apple got sued for the same thing years ago with the e-book fiasco.
storm osprey
right, i thought you were saying "they got sued for having high margins"
molten bramble
The high margins were the tell.
latent light
@molten bramble at launch MSRP, Nvidia made 128% profit off each RTX 2060 sold and 170% profit off each 2080Ti sold, AMD made 90% profit from the 5700 and 110% from the 5700XT
storm osprey
right, high margins are not illegal
latent light
Pretty crazy
storm osprey
but how they got them were
molten bramble
The cost to create a 2080Ti isn't $1,300.
I don't remember how much it was, but there was a report where someone worked backwards from the retail number and figured out how much it cost.
@storm osprey Exactly
AMD got slapped on the pee-pee for the same thing.
In fact, I think their suit might still be ongoing.
latent light
Intel has done much worse things than Nvidia anti-competitive and anti-consumer wise
molten bramble
I mean, all the major corporations have.
Do anything to make the dollar, until you get told no.
latent light
Intel illegally paid European retailers to not sell AMD products from 2001 to 2004
Then they got sued by the EU for $1.45B
molten bramble
$1.45B for that company isn't really that much of a penalty though
molten bramble
The amount of revenue they make a year, let alone profit
EU really thought they gave Intel a black eye, instead Intel is over there having a beer 😄
latent light
AMD is growing so much just from Ryzen sales
Ryzen 4000 mobile has already made them billions
quaint topaz
AMD has the chance to dominate both CPU and GPU markets.
Not that there's a whole lot of competition out there anyways. 
latent light
CPU market is the most competitive it's been since 2005
latent light
Although AMD is currently outselling Intel 10:1 globally in desktop processors
molten bramble
Excerpt from a part of that report--they'll remain dominate in the GPU space, especially with their AI incursions.
latent light
Intel still has more mobile sales but Ryzen 4000 mobile just came out so expect that to change
Ryzen 9 4900H consumes half the power of the i9-10980HK while being roughly the same in performance
That's a huge deal for a mobile CPU
Means a lot more battery life and way less cooling requirements
Hence why Ryzen 9 mobile is able to stay cool in a ultrathin laptop
mild bough
Going to wipe my disk on my Mac, how long time should it take?
pale bolt
bricked mac lmao
jk
do shift+cmd+r
it will open the wireless mac installation menu with bootcamp, disk utils, etcv
also try cmd+r
mild bough
Oh okay thanks, @pale bolt I'm trying it now
molten bramble
Did you not look up how to do this prior to doing it?
mild bough
nope
latent light
lofty light
@mild bough that error you got means you wiped the disk and didn't put an os back on it
CMD option R will load up internet recovery which will let you download and install the latest software it can support
mild bough
Thanks guys, you helped me 🙂
lean cipher
I went to look at a benchmark 8gb ram rx 580 and intel i5 8400 and the FPS was at 80 at ultra settings and mine is 40fps at low and I have the same specs. What is the issue?
What’s funny is that I always get the low frames at the beginning of the game. It gets better towards the end where I get 100 fps
I just don’t understand
supple bane
what ram do you have?
lean cipher
8 gb @supple bane
but this is not for bf5 its for bf1
bf5 i know i dont have enough ram
bf1 i think i have enough because the benchmark i looked at had the same specs as me
latent light
BF1 isn't as affected as much as BFV when it comes to memory channels
My friend had a Pentium G4560 with 8GB single channel and he played fine at 60 fps
But BFV was a stutter mess compared to BF1 for him
opaque saddle
well i remember my pc was getting fps bounce on FH4 coz i was using a slow SATA hard drive although using the recommended settings
with 3600 and 2070s
as far as i know the loading part is really write/read intense in games
even though maybe the map is loaded but it shows the models partially in front of my screen
latent light
Especially if you have a HDD with 5400 rpm and a small cache, you'll see lower performance
Next gen consoles will utilize PCIe 4.0 SSDs which I'm excited for because game developers will finally make use of SSDs in games
opaque saddle
seems my 60 dollars 4TB barracuda is faster than the 2tb one
unless his desktop has a storage problem, shall ask him to find out
one thing i aint excited for is TLC or QLC NVMe ssds on it
hopefully the SLC cache is large enough
latent light
PS5 SSD is 825GB at 5.5 GB/s bandwidth while Xbox SX is 1TB at 2.5 GB/s but I can tell you that the Xbox has a way more reliable drive
tropic prawn
I use external storage for dumping media in, have had it for years. Thinking about buying a huge HDD for media storage
latent light
Early production PS5 will have overheating problems, not only for the APU chip but also the SSD
vale gull
can anyone help me about those settings? i actually dont know how to setup
opaque saddle
wouldn't know much more about the stats since they dont really have those for tear down
as i said i use Seagate Expansion Desktop Hard Drive and shuck it
inside the $60 external drive is a 4TB seagate barracuda
lean cipher
i dont know if its hdd limited
i have a hdd of 500 gb
and ssd of 120gb
but i dont know why this is happening
its not my ram
latent light
I heard that those 2TB-4TB Seagate drives are unreliable and have high defective rates
errant cairn
Huh
lean cipher
updating my drivers
maybe that is the problem
thats probably why i have such low fps
prime jasper
always good to be up to date
storm osprey
amd apparently makes up 90% of cpu sales last month
lean cipher
for the ryzen
impressive
but with the 10th intel gen coming out i think intel will go back on top
supple bane
maybe
they wont control everything, budget will likely stay with amd, but intel might take mid range and high end gaming back
HEDT and server id say will stay with amd tho with threadripper and epyc
supple bane
i5 10600k has me the most excited
supple bane
its not bad
storm osprey
i5 10600k has me the most excited
@supple bane same
lean cipher
so i might get the i5
storm osprey
ill wait till 4000 series ryzen before i decide what to get though
supple bane
imo all i9 chips are pointless for strictly gaming
lean cipher
why does the i5 excite you?
storm osprey
^
supple bane
because the 9600k is already an awesome chip. so im excited to see what they do with that line
storm osprey
@lean cipher generally speaking higher clock speeds benefit gaming more than core count (asssuming a minimum core count)
storm osprey
6c12t is more than enough and will likely be the bang for buck gaming champ
supple bane
an i9 10900k will outperform the i5 10600k hands down, but it wont be far off and it will cost hella more
lean cipher
i should get that then lol
yeah
thats true
what about an i7
?
maybe go in the middle
not too low not too high
supple bane
as i said. the i5 9600k is an awsome chip. it would do fine paired with a 2080ti im pretty sure
storm osprey
2080ti will likely be comparable to 3080
and cpus dont just stop a gpu from working
lean cipher
what else do they do
storm osprey
for 1080p they are likely the limitor of frames
lean cipher
ah
storm osprey
you wont get 100% of a top end gpu at 1080p if youre cpu is lacking
cpu cant keep up
storm osprey
once you go 1440p+ you are more gpu dependent and that % cap is smaller
lean cipher
it will hit max frames
storm osprey
i7 will likely hit more frames since it should have higher ipc
9700k gets better fps than 9900k for said reason
lean cipher
so if i get 3080 when it comes out and i get i7 it will also hit max frames as well?
or close
supple bane
you dont need a 3080 to hit max frames lol
lean cipher
well i want the new gpu
supple bane
also define "max frames"
storm osprey
lets say an i5 with a 3080 will likely do 95% of what an i7 and i9 can do
storm osprey
theres a ton of variables to answer that question..
storm osprey
uhhh depends
supple bane
oh yeah it can lol
lean cipher
yes
storm osprey
not all gpus are top of the line
1060 with an i5 cpu would likely hit its max potential
storm osprey
and the price difference between the 2 cpus would be huge for very little gain
lean cipher
so i5 9600k would
storm osprey
(this is why the 3600 is selling so hot right now)
lean cipher
does that even exist i5 9600k?
storm osprey
3600 doesnt get the best performance, but it gets damn close for waaaaay cheaper
9600k exists
lean cipher
for i5?
supple bane
its 6 cores 12 threads
storm osprey
6c12t
supple bane
nobody does lol
storm osprey
yes, 10600k will be 6c12t that you can overclock
storm osprey
intels nomenclature isnt that bad honestly
they just have a lot of products
hard to see in dark mode
lean cipher
so i5 10600k paired up with the 3080ti will it max performance?
storm osprey
likely
lean cipher
and i9 for sure
storm osprey
game by game basis
lean cipher
yes depends on the game
storm osprey
assuming 10th gen i7 and i9 cpus are like 9th gen
i7 will generally be better because of IPC, while some cpu dependent games will like the i9 more
storm osprey
(i really dont even know if there are many, if any, i9 favored games)
but the % difference between an i7 and i9 is even smaller than the difference between i5 and i7
lean cipher
i just want my pc to hit 140 fps
storm osprey
so the extra cost is basically just throwing away for just gaming
lean cipher
so what should i buy
storm osprey
i just want my pc to hit 140 fps
@lean cipher at 1080p?
storm osprey
with low settings?
lean cipher
yes
i play low and i get 140 already
on my standard pc
so with a great pc i will get 230
storm osprey
yea i was gonna say, any midtier gpu would be able to do that
storm osprey
yea likely a 3080 would push 200+ fps
last i played r6 at 1440p with low settings my 1080 was getting around 110 fps
storm osprey
for 24" its the sweet spot
lean cipher
but i think that playing 1080p on battfield
is good on high settings
and i dont play on high settings
i play on low and its ugly
i dont enjoy it as much
like the graphics r beautiful andi want to enjoy them
so thats why i want a good pc
one for r6 and other games
a pc that can play pretty much any game
and also the new flight sim is coming out
did you hear about microsoft flight sim 2020. the graphics r stunning and with a good pc i will be able to enjoy them
for that game, on high settings, i will need a 3080 lol
storm quarry
.
lean cipher
THE PROBLEM IS FIXED
i just needed to update my drivers
and not i am getting 140 fps in bf1
🙂
i will now higher my settings to medium-high
lean cipher
i dont understand
when i join a lobby with lower people i get better fps
why
when i am in full lobby i keep having those issues with frames
latent light
@lean cipher sounds like your CPU is being overwhelmed
If more players causes fps issues, it's a CPU problem
supple bane
To any chair nerds out there. I'm thinking of either the corsair t1 or the corsair t3. They can be had for the price. But I wont be able to sit in the t3 as it isnt sold locally. I would be buying blind compared to the t1 which I can try out at a local store
So do I go with the more updated version which I wouldnt be able to test or go with the older one which I would be able to try
lean cipher
@latent light how do i fix
i just updated it today
and installed the new drivers
its an i5 8400
opaque saddle
Although intel has better way single threaded performance, seems majority of intel users now switched to Ryzen helps AMD to complete with Intel. I guess when intel will be better advantages once it’s fully migrated to 7nm in the future
Still many people are now sick of intel’s expensive products and requiring to get a new motherboard if they decided to upgrade their cpu
latent light
Ryzen 3rd gen IPC is currently about 8% ahead of Intel, the only advantage that Intel has is clock speed, at the cost of nearly double the power consumption
It's pretty insane that the upcoming i3-10100 is basically an i7-7700 except lower power consumption and much better IMC for $100, which there is also the new Ryzen 3 3100 which is also the same price but only consumes 40 watts stock boost clock under full load and can overclock to 4.2 GHz with just stock cooler
Pretty insane efficiency for a 4c/8t CPU compared to the i7-7700 that launched just 3 years ago
I7-7700 consumed 130-140 watts under load
lean cipher
@latent light how do i fix cpu problem i dont think my cpu is bad
supple bane
i think its a ram issue not a cpu issue
lean cipher
Anyway it’s always at the start of the game
Every time at the start
And then throughout the game it gets better
molten bramble
To any chair nerds out there. I'm thinking of either the corsair t1 or the corsair t3. They can be had for the price. But I wont be able to sit in the t3 as it isnt sold locally. I would be buying blind compared to the t1 which I can try out at a local store
@supple bane Spend the coin, buy a Herman-Miller (even used). It's worth the money in the long run for your back/neck/posture. Don't make the mistakes I made at a young age, lol.
Specifically the Aeron, although the Cosm is good as well for some people.
I currently have a Vertgear SL5000, a top-of-the-line 'gamer' chair, which isn't good for spending long periods in front of a computer. The webbing of the Herman-Miller (the one I use at work, and just purchased for home) is a much better purchase and breathes.
I spend roughly 16-hours a day in front of the computer on average. COVID-19 convinced me to pick one up for home as well since I telework daily now.
supple bane
I dont have the money for the hermanmiller chairs. 250 pounds is the most I'm going to spend. I dont really spend that long at my pc. Certainly not 16 hours. Most of the time I wont sit for more than 3 hours
molten coral
Herman miller is expensive, I mean most of them start at 1k even refurbished is still around 6-700 Euro here.
Definitly not something everyone can buy
molten bramble
Worth saving up for in all honesty, but I understand you might have a budget to keep to. Keep it in mind for the future nonetheless.
The point is to find something with proper ergonomics and sidestep the hype of 'gaming' chairs. They do nothing for us physically and in some ways can exercerbate other issues.
I spent something like $400 on this Vertagear a year ago (which is excellent build quality and materials, don't get me wrong) and regret that purchase. I should have just bought the HM instead, for my physical need.
molten coral
I avoid everything with ''gaming'' like the plague
Mostly because it's overpriced most of the time you can find a better quality item for the same price.
supple bane
its just the looks man lol, the corsair t1 looks bad ass, especially in all black. and i know that its comfortable as ive sat in one. and as i said, i dont really spend that much time at my pc so amazing support and good posture isnt top priority for me.
any chair will be an upgrade from my current one tbh. there is no neck support and the bottom cushion is completely flat and compressed to the point im just sat on the wooden base plate
or at least it bloody feels that way, after just 30 minutes of sitting on it, my arse aches lmao
prime jasper
why dont you go to the office store and test things out?
supple bane
i have
for me, an office chair costing 250 pounds is about as comfortable as the chair im looking at. and im taking a massive hit on visuals and im losing adjustable armrests (which is a big thing for me)
storm osprey
staples hyken
latent light
I had a chair with the mesh back, it's made of strong thread
storm osprey
staples hyken is mesh back and seat, ive had one for a year now and no problems
buoyant geyser
guys, i have a stupid dull PS4 question, would appreciate some clarification via PM if possible! 😄
molten coral
Just say it here?
buoyant geyser
sure i didn't want to bother the chat!
so.. my brother recently got a new ps4 and gave me his old one.. I want to go ahead and reformat his old ps4 to free up space in the storage but i'd just like to make sure that if i do that he doesn't lose any of have saves in his new ps4 under his account.. i mean logically thinking about it, he wouldn't lose any of his saves if i'm just reformatting his old ps4, right?
molten coral
If he got all save files backed up in the cloud, he should be able to redownload them to his new PS4 somewhere in the settings.
buoyant geyser
okayy got you
molten coral
Just let him try that first before you reformat his PS4 
buoyant geyser
hahah
well he's been playing on his new ps4 for almost a month now
and he signed on using his own Ps4 account and etc on his new ps4
molten coral
I mean if he is already playing on it for a month it should be fine to reformat it.
He should have all the files on the new PS4 by now
buoyant geyser
random question here.. is it worth getting the BF1 Revolution with all the xpacs for $5 on PC? I've heard BF1 servers are very populated
molten coral
For a fiver? Absolutely, that is a steal lol
molten bramble
Paying too much.
lean cipher
why do i always get low fps at the start of the game in bf1 and then it gets better
i know you said that it was a cpu problem,
[but i dont think my cpu is bad
for this game
little horizon
Help , My GPU and CPU stay on 60% usage , both of them , they rarely spike to 70-80%
While playing BF1 on Ultra
Ram usage seems ok, 9-10 GB
And whenever i get around 70 fps the game starts to get so fucking choppy
supple bane
@little horizon what are the specs?
little horizon
GTX 1660 Super , 1600AF , 16GB ram @supple bane
latent light
Make sure ram is running in dual channel mode, should be in the 2nd and 4th slot on motherboard
little horizon
It is
latent light
Download CPU-Z and go to the memory tab and look for channel mode
little horizon
Dual channel , yes
latent light
XMP profile in BIOS?
ashen ether
Im getting close to getting a laptop. Most probably I'll get a Acer Nitro 5 1650ti. Probably next month or Last week august.
Are there any better laptops $1000 budget
storm osprey
i thought amd cpus were killing it it laptops
supple bane
@ashen ether unless you really really REALLY need a laptop for gaming. dont buy one
get a desktop
you will get so much more for your money
ashen ether
@supple bane for school mate. I never wanted a laptop in the first place. I was using school computer back then, the app I was developing got deleted by some rword student.
Thats when I realized I needed a laptop
supple bane
oh ok, yeah for school is a good use for a laptop lol
ashen ether
I wanted an AMD cpu but there's nothing on the $1000 line
R7 3750h are more than $1000
in my city ofc
supple bane
do you NEED it for gaming too? because for what you need, you could probably get more out of notebook
higher res screen, more storage etc
ashen ether
yes also for gaming ofc. My best bet rn is the acer nitro 5 since it has a 1650
Costs $900 when I saw it in the mall
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422598689928773632/672220755475300372/IMG_20191110_114311.jpg
@supple bane
supple bane
4gb of ram!?
good look gaming on that lmao
oh up to 32gb
you NEED to get at least 8gb if you want to game on it
ashen ether
I know, if i ever get that laptop i'll get another stick ofc
Also, i forgot to mention the shop offers free 4gb stick if you get it
So you actually get 8gb
wintry spruce
I think 32 gb is kinda pushing it too far, even with today's games
16 gb is the standard rn imo
verbal token
@ashen ether don't buy Acer nitro 5
I have it
And a lot of people have temperature problems
I'm having 90 degrees on cs
And other games
60 degrees idle
ashen ether
Nitro 5 has different specs tho
verbal token
If u paste it could get a lot better
Ik
I have on e
And I repaste
And got better temps
ashen ether
i7 8750 is powerful than the i5 9300
verbal token
But if u buy and get the Temps like that
ashen ether
so its gonna require more power
verbal token
Search for Acer nitro 5 temp problems
verbal token
Do what u want
But I've warned u
And mine is not the only model with that
But if u do and get it
ashen ether
Also from what I read, L340 is so thin that it doesnt have enough room for exhaust
verbal token
But it's just the tenps
ashen ether
Maybe, I'll get it and buy a cooling pad
verbal token
I have one
ashen ether
But tnx. I'll be doing more research
little horizon
I need help , my CPU and GPU are both staying at around 50-60% usage. I have no idea why. And if lets say the fps goes down to 70-80 the cpu usage gets even lower and the game starts to look choppy as F. The parts are a GTX 1660 Super , 1600AF and 2x8 GB of RAM
supple bane
cpu usage is fine, the gpu usage is low tho
try switching dx
if you are using dx 11 use dx 12 and vise versa
west willow
ryzen 4000 won't be officially supported on B450 boards btw, only on x570 and the new ones
little horizon
@supple bane the cpu usage just got a little bit higher
the gpu usage got even lower
im about to uninstall it 😄
supple bane
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slate rivet
good gaming laptop with an i7 for £1200 ? DM me pls
opaque saddle
why dont you go for amd 
slate rivet
laptop sir 
opaque saddle
yeah laptop
they have 4900HS tho
which means G14 can perform or faster than 9th gen i7/i9 due to thermo. my old 8750H could run at 2GHz all cores while gaming which is a shame.
molten coral
I just wish laptops from around 1500-2000 wouldn't look like absolute ''gamer'' garbage
latent light
Ryzen 4000 laptops came out a month ago and they're the best choice across all price ranges
quaint topaz
I just wish laptops from around 1500-2000 wouldn't look like absolute ''gamer'' garbage
This.
molten coral
I really want a Dell XPS 15 but I've read a lot of reviews by now and so many people have problems with them.
quaint topaz
The whole "GAMER" aesthetic looks like shit imo.
Slap the word GAMING into the device name to add an extra $400 for nothing lul
molten coral
I've one from work which works perfectly fine but a lot of my co-workers have issues with their model.
quaint topaz
Predator 21x
what's the point in calling it a laptop when it crushes your knees the moment you put it on your lap
sand phoenix
supple bane
that laptop would probably get better temperatures than my full sized gpu lol
well. saying that, when ive tested it just on an open bench it only reached 80 degrees. but in a case it will reach 85-86
so it could be blamed on airflow. but even then, thats not a temperature i want to run my card at
pallid silo
Can this monitor fit onto this?
Monitor: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00B19T7QC/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_7cYTEbRWW1HKX
Stand: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01C5Z9R6A/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_ldYTEbJA9SE3H
supple bane
yes
molten bramble
VESA can be 75 x 75 as well.
pallid silo
Sweet! :D
forest token
ASUS VG248QE VESA Wall Mounting : 100x100mm - source: https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/VG248QE/specifications/
yes it will
west socket
Hey guys
Is this a channel for brainstorming how to get DICE the proper technology to add a 2x xp multipler?
digital hill
DId you guys hear amd will not support zen 3 on b450 motherboards
latent light
Yeah but that can change
If they were to put Zen3 support on X470 and B450, they'd have to drop Zen and possibly even Zen+ support because of the small BIOS ROM capacity
digital hill
True
latent light
I think it's dumb that 300 and 400 series boards only have a 16MB BIOS ROM when motherboard manufacturers were told AM4 was supposed to support 4 generations of CPUs
digital hill
Yeah
latent light
Intel released a patch for their CPUs where they fixed some exploit concerning undervolting CPU to create backdoor to hack Intel SGX, mostly concerning cloud services but they released it by common channel, blocking the ability to undervolt CPU by normal end users, so if you update you can forget about undervolting
pallid silo
Anybody know how I can sell a monitor due to this lockdown? I'm selling my 1440p 144hz display due to going back to 1080p 144hz (I prefer higher fps as I play battlefield mainly)
ashen ether
Meanwhile, Intel still milking 14nm
latent light
Looks like the new 4 core/8 thread $120 Ryzen 3 3300X is slightly faster than the R5 3600 in games that are more single-thread dependant
rough monolith
ㅇ.ㅇ
latent light
Due to boost speed
pallid silo
Apparently the ryzen 3 3300x is like a 7700k
supple bane
it is
it smashes it in workstation and matches/comes very very close to it in gaming
latent light
Also consumes half the power
3300X 85 watts under boost
3100 only consumes 40 watts under boost
latent light
35w
Mobile can be anywhere from 15w to 45w
45w is for i9 high performance laptops
Pretty funny that a 4c/8t Ryzen consumes the same power as a 2c/4t Pentium
supple bane
im pretty sure this will become one of the most sold chips
because its around the same price as a 2600, consumes half the power and has faster SCP
so its a no brainer really, for gaming at least
latent light
There's still the 6c/12t R5 1600AF that goes for $85 when retailers have them in stock lol
1600af has been selling really well
quaint topaz
lol
latent light
Yikes
quaint topaz
pple
latent light
1.1 GHz base clock is bad
Boost is probably under 3 GHz
Oh nvm it says 3.2 GHz right under that
That's still slower than a Pentium G4560, 2-core/4-thread desktop CPU that sold for $60 in 2017
pallid silo
Atm I'm doing loads of tests using 1080p x264 medium :D on the ryzen 7 1700 and the most cpu usage it's used is 71% max temp 59th degrees and that's when my YouTube video was exploding loads of tanks on battlefield 1 xd
The average cpu usage is 50% when the player is moving and stuff :)
Didn't realize a ryzen 7 1700 was so powerful!!
verbal token
Bf1 with stutter on gtx 1050 i7 8750h 8gb ram 90 degrees but not throttling
left grove
Yep
latent light
@verbal token 8gb is probably single channel
prime jasper
heelo
obtuse kettle
i think my cpu is just powered by a fan btw, not through liquid.
prime jasper
do i need a liquid CPU cooling fan?
cause
oh ok
well the cheapest one on Corsair is liquid with a fan
thats their cheapest one
prime jasper
also do i need to purchase like a liquid or somethin?
obtuse kettle
i never got a liquid cooler before, but the website says "Hydro Series H60 comes pre-filled, and never needs refilling or priming."
latent light
@obtuse kettle what cpu?
prime jasper
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Cases/spec-04-config/p/CC-9011108-WW#tab-tech-specs also this the case im lookin at
obtuse kettle
tech specs says it fits
prime jasper
ok, nice
thats pretty much all this stuff
tell me if i need anything else for a computer
cause i think this is all the base stuff
latent light
Why did you link an Intel motherboard
latent light
You can't pair AMD with intel
latent light
They are polar opposite companies that have been competitive with each other for 50 years
prime jasper
like actually?
latent light
Yes
prime jasper
jesus
obtuse kettle
intel is behind the i7 chips etc. while amd makes ryzen and stuff
different sockets
latent light
Ryzen = AMD
latent light
Ryzen only works with the AM4 motherboard socket
prime jasper
ohk
obtuse kettle
also, not sure, but the case doesn't seem to have a fan on the back. only on the front. I think it might be better for airflow to have a fan on the back of the case as well.
prime jasper
ok
could you help me look for a compatable motherboard for that processor?
and i need cheap
im lookin on amazon
latent light
Yeah look at the MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX
opaque saddle
I doubt amazon will be cheap 
prime jasper
ok
opaque saddle
Depends on the offer
opaque saddle
If you look at up those products at the wrong time, the entire build can be 100-200 bucks more
If you got a 2k build
latent light
It appears that only B550 and X570 motherboards will support next gen Ryzen (4000 series)
But that could change
opaque saddle
I got x570
latent light
Yeah tomahawk max should be about $115
opaque saddle
Yeah
latent light
Yes
latent light
@prime jasper do you need a motherboard with built-in WiFi?
opaque saddle
If I got a 3900x I guess I’ll switch off SMT
prime jasper
i mean idk
opaque saddle
Do you have Ethernet
prime jasper
im new to computer stuff plus im really young lmao
and no
no i do not
i wish tho
ethernet is godly i've heard
latent light
You using the 3900X purely for gaming or streaming?
latent light
You could down grade to the 3700X or 3800X, only difference between those 2 and the 3900X is core count
prime jasper
im looking for the cheapest options that are still good
opaque saddle
With the same budget
prime jasper
like something just above a console PC
opaque saddle
Or sometimes 3600
latent light
Hell even the $175 3600 is enough for gaming for 5 years at least
prime jasper
.-.
opaque saddle
I have 3600 paired with a 2070Super
latent light
Get a 3700X and use that extra money on a better graphics card
opaque saddle
Coz most of the games can utilise 2-6 cores only
prime jasper
ooh
latent light
What graphics card do you have planned
opaque saddle
I would say minimum get a 6 cores
obtuse kettle
depends on preference when it comes to gpu cards. amd cards tends to be cheaper though.
prime jasper
its cheap but my friend said its good
opaque saddle
Well get a 2070 with the same price
prime jasper
and he built his PC
latent light
You were about to pair a 3900X with a damn GTX 1660?
prime jasper
bad thing?
latent light
Yeah waste of money
prime jasper
how so?
latent light
Weak graphics card with enthusiast top tier CPU
prime jasper
oh yeah true
well the only reason i wanted that is because its super cheap
its like 240 ish
sum round there
opaque saddle
No
prime jasper
on amazon its 250
latent light
Graphics card is supposed to be the most expensive component in a gaming PC
prime jasper
dude im 14 and i have 27 dollars lmao
oh yeah trueee
cause GPU is the most important part... duh
opaque saddle
You shall aim for a balanced build
latent light
Get a 3600 and use that $250 that you saved just by doing so and get a RTX 2070 Super
opaque saddle
Like 3600/2060S or 3700X with 2070S or 2080S
prime jasper
i mean i was originally gonna get a 2060 super
opaque saddle
I guess you can get those part with the same budget, a bit more on 3700x
prime jasper
because thats 300
opaque saddle
Think about this
prime jasper
the max amount of money i want to spend on this PC is right around 1800 dollars
maybe 2000
latent light
3900X goes on sale for $400 sometimes but the 3700X goes on sale for $280
prime jasper
because if i get a job, im making 7.25 dollars an hour
opaque saddle
Get 3700x with 2070s then
prime jasper
ill be getting minimum wage
opaque saddle
Well if you got a job, I guess you’ll more likely think of the next gen computer parts
prime jasper
and i had a plan on what i wanted to do, because if i worked 3 hours a day, mon, wed, fri, and maybe sunday, i'd get hella bank
opaque saddle
I thought we got like 18 bucks minimum
prime jasper
i mean
opaque saddle
AUD
prime jasper
im in wisconsin so its either 7.25 or 7.50, one or the other
opaque saddle
Used to be like 18USD/hr here
prime jasper
yeah its 7.25
opaque saddle
I meant the minimum wage
prime jasper
cause i get off school 2:48, and could work till maybe 5
so about 3 hours
i could just get a summer job lol
opaque saddle
Maybe you shall think of getting the products clearance sales if you got a job
prime jasper
i might just work at a grocery store tbh
actually if i worked 4 hours a day, so until 6ish, on monday, wednesday, friday, and sunday, id get about 116 dollars
and i think i'd get paid maybe 2 times a month>?
cause my mom usually gets paid, doesnt get paid for a week, then gets paid the next
at least thats what i usually see
cause she always says whenever i want somethin, "wait next friday"
opaque saddle
Maybe you shall think receiving the payment first, then think about the parts you gonna get. Coz you may not know it can be cheaper by then
prime jasper
yeah maybe
opaque saddle
Coz you wanna buy the parts but lacks of money will be a pain for a while
Based on my past personal experiences
prime jasper
yeah
i mean i also owe my parents my first like
3 paychecks
cause
uh
legal stuff
opaque saddle
When you got enough money for a build then come back I guess things will be different
prime jasper
and me being a dumb ass 12 year old deciding to grafiti a public sign..
opaque saddle
Better off to save it tho
obtuse kettle
by the time you got the money, sales prolly will have happened for you to get it even cheapah ;D
prime jasper
ill save up my first like maybe 4 paychecks, then get the case and fans
opaque saddle
The price charts are like roller coaster
opaque saddle
Will go up in the middle of the year without sales
Goes down during Black Friday sales
obtuse kettle
don't steal it
opaque saddle
Nah 3000 is too few
obtuse kettle
good brother 🙂
opaque saddle
Usually people save up for 6 months wages
prime jasper
im the only one in the family who's gone to court twice in middle school
also i will do that
opaque saddle
If they lost the job and they can use the money they put aside
prime jasper
yeah
opaque saddle
Or they can get something they want
prime jasper
well once i get a job, im gonna ask him for a little money, just for like
idk the GPU or somethin
cause by the time i get a job, which prolly wont be for a year yet, he'll have dough to spend
opaque saddle
Then based on what you said I guess getting the 6 cores (right now 3600) will save you a lot of money
prime jasper
i mean yeah, but i got no dough my G
opaque saddle
I used to save 80% of my income from work before entering uni
prime jasper
oh nice
opaque saddle
This is how I got in to uni and didn’t ask for money for a year
So save up then buy as good as you like aye
prime jasper
yeah
that one guy earlier said i should have a computer case with a front and back fan
would that work?
cause idk where the fan stuff is
like in the descriptions and such
opaque saddle
Before you think about the case, If you want an mid tower ATX case, you should pair with a micro ATX board. The larger the case is, the more airflow your PC parts can be received
prime jasper
like a motherboard?
opaque saddle
The better option is front and back ran, plus the top fan as well. Doesn’t always mean the more fans you have installed the better it will be
Yeah
latent light
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PrVZK4 @prime jasper
latent light
$1000 build
prime jasper
wait did you choose that all out for me?
latent light
Yeah
latent light
Yw
latent light
2070 may seem like a weird option when there's the 2060 Super and 2070 Super but it's $400 and it's basically a fully unlocked 2060 Super
prime jasper
cause i know acer makes some good shit
latent light
I'd go for a 24" monitor tbh
latent light
Makes a lot of difference
prime jasper
i mean true
where can i look to see the specs of my screen?
cause its just a laptop
latent light
Not sure
prime jasper
but system information aint doin it
hmm yeah i dont know how big this screen is
meh i can just use a measuring tape later
so 24", yeah?
thats a 24"
and its a 3 year warenty
7.4 lbs
opaque saddle
Or what about this
opaque saddle
How big is your old monitor
opaque saddle
Your old one
opaque saddle
More like 14 or 15.6
prime jasper
the one i was looking at?
opaque saddle
Nah your old one mate
prime jasper
i dont have any other monitors my G
opaque saddle
Usually be half of the size of your tv
opaque saddle
Can be 1-2” larger or smaller
prime jasper
TSMC?
well
i know my tv is one of the ones with Roku built into it lol
im trynna remember the brand
latent light
TSMC is the biggest microchip manufacturer, they make chips for Apple, AMD and Nvidia
opaque saddle
TSMC worth more than intel itself
latent light
All AMD CPUs, GPUs and motherboard chipsets are made in TSMC fabs
prime jasper
actually i think its the 55 not the 50
yeah its the 55 one
thats the TV i have
also damn
opaque saddle
So half of the size of it, take away 3.5”
prime jasper
so it'd be 27.5 inches then
opaque saddle
So you have to divide the screen into 4 parts
prime jasper
so i'll do the 24 incher
opaque saddle
Take away 3 inches
So this is how it looks like
I used to have 21.5” display
Switched to 27” and it looks huge for the first week
Then I got used to it and 27” is great for gaming at1440p
You wouldn’t go for 27” 1080p
compact rampart
pls make the pumpguns badder they are to op on metro
storm osprey
this is tech chat
prime jasper
not anymore lol
latent light
Apparently that report about the RTX 3060 being "on par" with the 2080Ti was just with RTX performance lol
They're saying there's going to be minimal performance loss using RTX with Ampere GPUs
supple bane
my guess is that 3070=2080/2080super and 3060=2070
thats based on what we have seen from the past 2 generations
as a 1060=970 and 2060=1070 roughly
latent light
680 = 770
780Ti = 970
980Ti = 1070
1080Ti = 2080
violet plank
nobody will buy used turing cards after ampere release,seems like they started already to empty the stocks preparing for ampere
and 3060 -> 2080ti is an estimated 15% ipc increase without rtx
or 10%,can't recall atm
curious how amd chips will handle ray tracing in the future
latent light
Lol a 60 card will never beat the performance of a 80Ti one generation later
lofty light
That would literally kill their sales to do that
People would have much more reason to wait for next gen
latent light
Intel i9-10900K 10-core flagship CPU runs very hot and consumes 235 watts at 4.8 GHz – over 90C temps with a 240mm AIO watercooler
opaque saddle
well a K processor that cannot really be oced
ashen ether
Just buy amd lol
mild bough
^
storm osprey
@ashen ether i have no brand loyalty and will always purchase bang for buck components for my needs, with that said though, i do want to reward amd for making cpus competitive again
digital hill
This is related to tech but on my security camera system I keep getting an ip that been entering the system
It occurs throughout the day and yesterday at 11pm
opaque saddle
better off getting the upcoming B550 or X570 board for future proofing (400 or lower will not be supported for 4th gen ryzen) and better build quality
prime jasper
Ive got an x470 so screw that, I'll just wait for the ddr5 boards and see what happens
digital hill
Same ddr5 is when I upgrade
west willow
Yeah, I'd wait. They'll drop the X570 and B550s for DDR5
Then you'll need to get another new board
digital hill
as I have a b450 board I bought around march to replace my msi board I killed by being an idiot
west willow
Same, bought my MSI B450 max in november last year and the 3600 will still serve me for some time. Would be dumb to upgrade now
west willow
A great budget card, but I would indeed get something better to pair with the ryzen
prime jasper
and your board can take much better cpus
storm osprey
ram is one of the lest contributing factors to performance as long as you meet a certain standard
basically 2x8 sticks of ram
west willow
True, you can still upgrade to a Ryzen 7 down the line
Maybe a ryzen 9, but I don't know if you'd get the full potential out of that
storm osprey
unless you need cores for something outside of gaming 3600 is basically perfect
west willow
It's still a good CPU, just slightly less so on really CPU intensive titles
digital hill
also I kinda like how amd just killed intel higher lineup of quad core to stay expensive and just basically ended it
storm osprey
depends what you are looking for
imo amd didnt kill intels high end chips for gaming, but thats a bit of a stretch considering price
prime jasper
the 3950/3900 will age much better than the 9900 though
storm osprey
assuming core count requirements keeps increasing
opaque saddle
if i got a >10 cores CPU, i will just switch off HT/SMT right away
untold tiger
I still have a Ryzen 7 1700. With my old ass B350 board, I can't get stability over 3.7GHz
With virtually every decent B450 or X470, 3.9-4.1GHz is easily achievable with good cooling.
lofty light
That's the issue with the board makers that first gen, they couldn't be stuffed to make good boards because they didn't know if ryzen would even take off so they half assed it
That's why this 16mb bios thing is an issue
untold tiger
I'm undecided as to whether I'm just going to do a quality of life upgrade and go for either B450 or X470, or wait for Ryzen 4000 and upgrade outright
I'm most definitely moving into a Fractal Design Meshify C case
lofty light
I'd probs reccomenf waiting
untold tiger
Yeah, I'm feeling that
lofty light
That or go to X570
untold tiger
Not compatible with 1st gen Ryzen
lofty light
Ah damn
untold tiger
Unfortunately
warm vector
guys can a phone fit in a RTX 2080 ?
digital hill
Yes
opaque saddle
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html
Congrats to Nintendo
they have sold 55.77 million switches so far
astral blaze
Wow, idk why I expected it to be more
ripe heath
@astral blaze
astral blaze
@ripe heath I just didn’t wanna get off topic on that room
opaque saddle
in the meantime, they are struggling to produce Switch because of the lockdown in Asia
ripe heath
You can run boot camp windows on Mac
ripe heath
You are running windows software on Mac hardware
opaque saddle
read the guide before installing it if someone is installing it
ripe heath
So if you’re Mac is powerful enough you can run battlefield five on his hardware