technology

[quaint topaz]

Low-key craving a modern BF game. I'm a fan of COD Modern Warfare tbh. I would love to play a modern BF title with BFV's movement mechanics. Would be great.

[prime jasper]

that was the nice thing about 1 or 5....sure you had smoke but nobody has thermal optics so you can actually use smoke to some effect

[maiden barn]

i think dice is giving a lot of time until the new bf to make something that makes up for the flop that 5 was. See i have the opposite feeling. I hate the shit optics in one and 5 but i know its due to the set time period.

but they fixed 4 so you could not use thermal to counter smoke

[prime jasper]

I remember the INRV always making smoke invalid

[quaint topaz]

Smoke mechanics in BFV are very good

[prime jasper]

maybe that was 3, idk its been a while

[maiden barn]

my buddies and i have switched over to COD Modern Warfare for battlezone

[storm osprey]

warzone?

[maiden barn]

yea my bad

[quaint topaz]

Warzone is fun

They've introduced new mechanics which can really alter the game such as the Gulag and buying teammates

I like that

[maiden barn]

it is, but has anyone notice the warzone update from yesterday has made cross play chat buggy as hell

i totally agree

[storm osprey]

the one thing i dont like about warzone is buying a loadout

just makes the "working with what you got" aspect meaningless

and if you dont buy loadouts you really are just putting yourself at a disadvantage

[quaint topaz]

True. New players who don't own the game may have a harder time as well

[storm osprey]

yea that too, when there was free weekend i purely went there to level up weapons

its nice getting 20+ kills in 10 minutes vs 20 in 30 minutes for plunder and 10+ if youre lucky in BR for 30 minutes

[maiden barn]

br is easy to place in top 5

[storm osprey]

not the way i play xD

[maiden barn]

grab heli and hit 5 secures, how you know final zone, grab a loadout drop, armor, and uavs. then chill and camp final circle and watch as gas moves in

[storm osprey]

im mostly there to get into fights, ill only go for a win if i make it to top 10, and even then im not camping to increase my chances

when we play plunder we just chase the top ranked guy the whole time

if we are #1 we go after the other top 5 people

fun > winning

[maiden barn]

use helli to get secures and hit the top earners for plunder. but you need a squad. otherwise hit loot boxes.

thats my only complaint. is that you can get it down to a formula and get easy wins

[storm osprey]

i dont do formulas

i do chaos

we will do a thing called "boss mode"

set up an rpg class and get a heli, just fly around shooting rockets down on the king in plunder

[maiden barn]

holy fuck

lmfao

[storm osprey]

its insanely fun, but you likely wont win

m4 with grenade launcher attachment, rpg7, and sticky nades

[maiden barn]

also side note i hope bf6 is crossplay. like its 2020

[storm osprey]

id rather not personally

i know quite a few pc guys that complain about mw and facing console players

im typically a player with really high accuracy for pc

and vs console in MW you can just tell when you face a console player and they just aim assist you down so easily

[maiden barn]

ok so keep pc separate but do ps4 and xbox cross play

[storm osprey]

^

imo you should be able to OPT IN but dont have xplay default

[maiden barn]

i am away from my rig right now i only have my xbox with me so i
know how mw is on pc

i am away from my rig right now i only have my xbox with me so i dont know how mw is on pc

sorry i had to retry that

[storm osprey]

in bfv i am top 2% for accuracy, and i just get lasered by console players on warzone

ill even call its console when i die and watch a killcam and you can tell they are

[supple bane]

Yeah you can tell

When I'm watching gameplay, I can instantly tell when someone is on a controller

Just by the way they move and aim

[storm osprey]

theres a certain range where AA is just insanely better than mouse

its like 30m where their auto weapon accuracy is insane and youre struggling to land shots consistently

[storm osprey]

HMMMMM

[prime jasper]

big if true

[storm osprey]

but at what cost!

[supple bane]

i mean, 25 bucks is nothing

that could litterally be a mixture of better quality raw materials

like better thermal paste, higher quality plastics etc

[storm osprey]

the main thing is that i7 will get hyperthreading back

[supple bane]

yeah

[storm osprey]

even if i want to reward amd, ill go with whatever makes most sense to me

[red ingot]

ill even call its console when i die and watch a killcam and you can tell they are

yup

in bfv i am top 2% for accuracy, and i just get lasered by console players on warzone

[storm osprey]

frustrating AF

[maiden barn]

I7 lost hyperthreading..... One of the main features of the i7 lineup for years?

[prime jasper]

8c/8t > 4c/8t

[storm osprey]

it was a definite gain, we just got more gains

[manic estuary]

bfv soundtrack

[supple bane]

10th gen i9 will turbo to 5.3 ghz

Maybe my next cpu will be a 10th gen i5 based on what I'm seeing

[prime jasper]

you should get a ryzen better performance

[storm osprey]

but they arent though

[prime jasper]

they are intel is more for work ryzen is more for gaming

[storm osprey]

uhhhh

thats opposite

3000 series ryzen cpus have close performance to their intel counterparts, but are generally cheaper

only time intel cpus really lose out to their counterparts are when theres a c/t limitation

[prime jasper]

im talking about the newer ryzen chips

[storm osprey]

yea 3600 vs 9400

unless there is benefit to 3600's 6c12t intels 9400 will likely get better fps

though the difference between the 2 fps wise is pretty fucking miniscule

[prime jasper]

are you talking about an i5 ?

[storm osprey]

which is why everyone doing gaming builds is getting the 3600

9400 is an i5

[prime jasper]

because

[storm osprey]

spend less to get a 3600, get 6 more threads, and barely lose performance if any at all

its really a game by game basis and on average i think the 9400 BARELY comes out on top

[prime jasper]

just get amd

[storm osprey]

yes

[prime jasper]

i thought you where talking about how intel is better?

[storm osprey]

you said performance

[prime jasper]

yes

[storm osprey]

intel gets better performance

[prime jasper]

not 100% true

[storm osprey]

even if it costs more and not worth the gaming performance increase since you can spend less, lose 2 fps and get 6 more threads

[prime jasper]

the thing about performance is that it gets weighed down by price and that is intels downside

[storm osprey]

thats PRICE TO PERFORMANCE though

[prime jasper]

yes

[storm osprey]

a 9700k gets the best performance for gaming

doesnt mean it has good price to performance

you only stated performance

which technically speaking, is probably the only place intel "wins" at

[prime jasper]

just get amd if u want good performance for price

get intel if you have more money to spend

i honestly dont know that much about intels chips just that they are way to expensive

well

[storm osprey]

intel is.. struggling

thankfully

[prime jasper]

they arent wayy to expensive

[summer warren]

Depends if your streaming

[storm osprey]

i mean, at any price point its better to get the amd counterpart

[prime jasper]

Intel's top CPUs cost more than their AMD counterparts, especially once you add in a decent cooler, but they're often a bit faster in games. AMD meanwhile is able to trounce Intel when it comes to multithreaded applications. Intel has no real 'mainstream' answer to the 3900X, never mind the 3950X

pcgamer.com said this ^

[storm osprey]

youre mostly losing out on a couple of fps for much better gains elsewhere

[prime jasper]

yes

[storm osprey]

mainstream and 3900x/3950x should not be used in the same sentence

unless its "3900x and 3950x are NOT mainstream"

no mainstream user needs a 3900x

[prime jasper]

the best price for performance combo you could have right now is a amd card and a ryzen

[storm osprey]

i think something like 1660 super could challenge that price to performance ratio of a 5600xt

[summer warren]

Both need proper coolers. 3600 stock cooler is like having a jet engine

Compared nd15 9900k

[storm osprey]

though if you are talking about old gpus and used market then 570/580 are stil killer gpus though they have large power draw

[prime jasper]

dosn't the rx 5700 xt outperform the 2070

yet its less than half the price

[molten coral]

I'll see how Intel/AMD will do in 3/4 years if there isn't really that much difference i'll just go with Intel again.

[hollow hornet]

How easy is it to go wrong when you follow a PSU installation video

Like could you blow up your pc by accident

[prime jasper]

yes

putting your psu fan facing upwards into your case

[storm osprey]

@prime jasper 5700xt challenges the 2070 super iirc, but its like 100-150 cheaper

[prime jasper]

causing no airflow

[hollow hornet]

How do graphics card fans work

[prime jasper]

@storm osprey yeah exactly its pretty good

[hollow hornet]

Like aren't they just blowing into the middle of the tower

[molten coral]

Click them in screw it down and you are ready to go.

[storm osprey]

@hollow hornet mostly dissipating the gpu air out into the case

proper case airflow will take out the hot air caused by gpu and all other components

[hollow hornet]

Mkay well I've got an extra fan as well as my psu fan

So that should be fine

[storm osprey]

other than psu no individual component exhausts air directly out of the case other than blowerstyle gpus which typically sucks because those are only single fan

@hollow hornet 2 minimum, 3 optimal

at least need 1 exhaust

[hollow hornet]

You can modify the max performance of your GPU right

[storm osprey]

OC yea

[prime jasper]

you have to make a system where either hot air is pumped out of the case or that there is enough fans to push cold air in

[hollow hornet]

If you want to make the fans quieter

[storm osprey]

well OC doesnt make fanc quieter

[prime jasper]

you can adjust them to

which is probably a good idea

[hollow hornet]

If you turn down how much the graphics card is being used it'll get less hot thon

[storm osprey]

@prime jasper common set up is just to have positive pressure, more intake fans than exhaust

[prime jasper]

seeing as the chip is under more strain

[storm osprey]

@hollow hornet you can set your own fan curves or lower settings

[hollow hornet]

Are PSU fans exhaust or intake

Aren't they just pushing air around the tower

[storm osprey]

just depends on if you are fine with running your gpu toasty or not really

[hollow hornet]

The fan is on top

[storm osprey]

fan is intake

but its open on the side as an exhaust

"side" being the back of the case

bottom mount cases usually have a mesh system so you put the psu in upside down to get fresh air

[prime jasper]

or there is the alternative of attaching a vacuum cleaner to the case

[storm osprey]

@hollow hornet you got questions, ask and google

it does wonders

[hollow hornet]

Yeah I looked up some guides and videos

But I still worry

[storm osprey]

a lot of things have 1 place they will go

it just takes time

my first build took my like 2 hours

i can probably put together a build now in 45 minutes

and thats not trying to go fast

[supple bane]

@prime jasper nyphon is right. Intel is more powerful for gaming and that's fact. But you pay a heft premium for that. Intel is less threads higher clocks and software is still efficient in utilizing that single core performance. Ryzen however uses more threads less clocks. And games arent as optimised for that style

But it terms of price to performance. Ryzen is a better option

But if money is no object and you just need hands down the most baller gaming pc on the market. Then the 9900ks is still the way to go

[molten coral]

I think one of the main reasons people also stick with Intel is that they always had Intel.

If a product of X brand works well a person will usually stay with the brand.

[supple bane]

I'm under the impression the i5 10600k will be my next cpu. But man those motherboards are expensive

I was pricing up just a 9600k and it was like 150-200 pound for a motherboard

On top of what I'm guessing is going to be a 250 pound cpu

[molten coral]

My mobo was 210 when I bought it

[supple bane]

Mine was 105 I think, and its sweet. I can't complain

Well actually I can complain, the bios is wank. But other than that its spot on for the price

[storm osprey]

im likely getting next gen ryzen

the performance gain from going intel for 1440p is minimal

[supple bane]

I wonder if 3rd gen compatible b450 boards will work with 4th gen ryzen

[storm osprey]

i think they might be called 5th gen

[molten coral]

Over the years I've been getting more quality products instead of a cheaper version.

[storm osprey]

some are saying 4th gen will be laptop

[molten coral]

With all my stuff tbh

[storm osprey]

@molten coral im always price to performance with needs

that said im getting a 3080 for 4k front room gaming

[molten coral]

Not even with PC stuff but just in general tbh

[storm osprey]

ahh

yea im always bang for buck xD

in n out bang for buck burger

[supple bane]

When your front room gaming pc is two generations ahead of your main gaming pc

[molten coral]

oof

[supple bane]

That was in response to nyphons 3080 message btw

[molten coral]

I'm the only one at home with a desktop PC

They all have laptops

My little brother bought a laptop a while ago for like 400 Euro and he was complaining that it was slow etc.

After I looked at the specs it only had an i3

big oof

[supple bane]

Didn't get enough frames for that competitive pvp on minecraft

[storm osprey]

@supple bane im down to 1 pc, not worth keeping 2 pcs up to date when i can just roll 1 pc back and forth

[supple bane]

Ah

[storm osprey]

i work at a cab shop so i might just make my own case on wheels

[supple bane]

My daily driver laptop is awsome lmao. My dad got it from some shady guy at his work for 100 pounds

6th gen i5, 500gb ssd. 1080p display. Amazing keyboard.

Oh and 8GB ram

[storm osprey]

yea for 100 thats sketchy af

[supple bane]

Mhm

[molten coral]

I just have been spoiled by my work laptop i7, 32GB and a 1050ti

4k

touchscreen

[supple bane]

Oh and it's got this like modular bay on it

Atm it had a disk reader but it can be pulled out and switched with an ssd and a few other things

[molten coral]

lol 100 pounds for that

heck how

[supple bane]

You have to buy their ssd mind

Cant just go buy a samsung drive

[storm osprey]

stolen for sure

im calling the cops on granty

[supple bane]

He has loads of them apparently

He must have broken into the fujitsu factory

[storm osprey]

fuuu

turn him in for a fatty check

[supple bane]

U wot?

What does robbing laptops have to do with fat people ?

[storm osprey]

a fatty check

[supple bane]

yeah you lost me

[storm osprey]

...

wtf do you think of when someone says check

is this something like your "safe" shit?

[supple bane]

Check if they are fat?

[storm osprey]

a check

written money transfer

[supple bane]

Ooooh

[sinful mantle]

hahahaha...too much you guys

[supple bane]

What a silly way to describe a check

[storm osprey]

check

how else do you describe a check?1

[supple bane]

Blumin Americans

I dont know

Fucking white ?

Fat!?!?!

[storm osprey]

WHAT?1

[sinful mantle]

a fat check is a big money check

[supple bane]

Of course the american checks are fat

[storm osprey]

right i forgot, granty doesnt make sense

[sinful mantle]

indeed most americans are fat why not their checks ...makes sense

[molten coral]

Are checks even still used nowadays?

[storm osprey]

rarely but yea

[sinful mantle]

electronic checks now but yeah paper checks too if called for

[storm osprey]

if i was to send someone 10k i wouldnt mail 100 100 dollar bills

[sinful mantle]

mostly its all on debit cards

[supple bane]

Nyphon. Just admit that describing a check as "fatty" is dumb

[storm osprey]

you cant reason out of this you filthy light user

safe bruv

[supple bane]

You would say that to people you like..

[molten coral]

I've to side with Granty this time

[supple bane]

Thank you

[storm osprey]

you dont like nachos

[molten coral]

It's pretty stupid to call it a ''fatty'' check

[storm osprey]

you dont make sense either

[supple bane]

Finally someone reasonable on this earth

[sinful mantle]

a chubby check maybe?

[storm osprey]

a light mode user and someone named after something they dont like agree with eachother

[sinful mantle]

lol

[storm osprey]

[supple bane]

I've said many a times I dont use light mode

See?

Nice and dark

[storm osprey]

you cant change it just for a screenie

it took you a while to send that

[sinful mantle]

dark and dank

[supple bane]

Wait I have a picture of my setup lying around somewhere and I had discord open on the background

[storm osprey]

2 DAYS AGO

[supple bane]

Seeeeeee

[molten coral]

heck

[storm osprey]

you just changed it

[hollow hornet]

Yooo

Vertical screen?

What madness is this

[supple bane]

31st of December

[sinful mantle]

fatty check madness

[storm osprey]

lol how did all this spawn from "fatty checks"

[sinful mantle]

dig it?

[molten coral]

fatty check setup

[storm osprey]

see

makes sense

[hollow hornet]

Yooo

Curved screen

[supple bane]

My screen is curved too

[distant tusk]

curved screen?

[hollow hornet]

Me with my 1 horizontal screen: That is very much adequate

[distant tusk]

holy frick your computer looks like something out of Animus

[molten coral]

The screen would be awful if there wasn't a curve lol

[hollow hornet]

Those cables at that back tho

Noooo

[sinful mantle]

thats gotta be blinding

[distant tusk]

wooweee

[supple bane]

Oh @storm osprey look what mouse both me AND nacho are using

[hollow hornet]

Does that guy at the end have a lunge mine lol

[molten coral]

G502

[storm osprey]

yea, we confirmed you both dont make a lick of sense

[hollow hornet]

Or is it just a tapered bat o rmsrh

[storm osprey]

of course you have the same mouse

[molten coral]

No it's a flamethrower

[sinful mantle]

hahaha a fatty mouse?

[distant tusk]

its a car

[supple bane]

Nacho...

Why isnt that ram white

[distant tusk]

racist

[molten coral]

Dutch flag

😄

[supple bane]

Oh yeah I see it now

Ok, you are forgiven

[hollow hornet]

Now that's what I call attention to detail

... why are there so many Dutch people

[molten coral]

Dunno, why are there so many Americans?

[distant tusk]

ouch

[hollow hornet]

Like if you talk to someone in discord they're either American, English, Palestinian or dutch

[distant tusk]

why are there so many Russians?

[sinful mantle]

or german

im both

[molten coral]

You will most likely find a German earlier then a Dutch person

[storm osprey]

@molten coral
https://twitter.com/PlayVALORANT/status/1255981263913054208
USA USA

VALORANT (@PlayVALORANT)

In the next 30 minutes we're going to turn ranked on in North America.

If all goes well there, we'll turn ranked on in Europe after the hotfix patch (so after 9:30AM CEST on May 1).

We also... reserve the right to turn off ranked at any time if things get weird.

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https://tenor.com/view/outside-weather-flag-windy-gif-14236951

[sinful mantle]

yeah they are 1 to 3 ratio

[supple bane]

Or german, Spanish, Portuguese, south african, Australian, Japanese, south american

[molten coral]

HECK

[supple bane]

I could go on

[distant tusk]

Indonesian

[molten coral]

TIME TO RIOT IN FRONT OF RIOT HQ

[supple bane]

Pffht

Hehehe

[distant tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-riot-smash-cop-car-gif-4817278

[storm osprey]

gotta come to NA for that

[sinful mantle]

occupy washington

[distant tusk]

Canada

[supple bane]

I really dont like csgo, so I was pretty sure I wasnt going to like valorant

[storm osprey]

"if things get weird"

[sinful mantle]

massive sit-in

[supple bane]

I didn't like valorant

[distant tusk]

CSGO is cool

[hollow hornet]

Minecraft cops n crims is better

No joke

[supple bane]

If I could represent csgo gunplay and movement in one food it would either be rice or water

[sinful mantle]

CS 1.6 was good

[molten coral]

Does that guy at the end have a lunge mine lol
@hollow hornet Here is a picture it's one of the elite kits from BF1

I got all the elites

[distant tusk]

CSGO is a tactical shooter and not a COD game

[hollow hornet]

Noice

[sinful mantle]

fat little fuckka

[molten coral]

I'll post them in general

[distant tusk]

cool

[supple bane]

He does have a big head

[sinful mantle]

nacho did you make that?

sculpt it i mean

didnt you make some tanks?

[hollow hornet]

Show us da goods

[molten coral]

Nope

Was Dunkin who did that

[sinful mantle]

someone here did

ahhh yeah

[molten coral]

But Dunkin isn't on the server anymore

I bought these from a sculpter in Serbia

Think they were like 30 euro each

[storm osprey]

welp im off work to play RANKED VALORANT

[molten coral]

HECK YOU

[sinful mantle]

see you later mate

[storm osprey]

adios!

[sinful mantle]

si andele

damn only 4 minutes on my download!

been like 3 hours now

[molten coral]

chat dead

[sinful mantle]

you guys blew your wad with that fatty check thing

[supple bane]

@molten coral why did dunkin leave?

[molten coral]

He got beaned

Can't say why though

[hollow hornet]

Boof

[supple bane]

He got banned!?!

He doesnt strike me as the type who would get banned

[storm osprey]

dunks been punished a bit actually

[hollow hornet]

I've never seen any of the mods/admins apart from Nacho

Do they just sit in the darkness... Watching... Waiting

[storm osprey]

mostly xD

[molten coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-the-foreigner-peek-aboo-shadow-hiding-gif-9764682

[storm osprey]

i think most are EU so depends on that too

(even though nacho is EU too)

[molten coral]

My sleep schedule is just fucked

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple bane]

Yeah its 1 am in most of eu rn

[latent light]

VRM on my RX 580 looks weird

Why is one of the capacitors flipped

[lofty light]

They put it on the wrong way around

[storm osprey]

lul thatd be great if that was a thing

[latent light]

https://www.techspot.com/news/85045-intel-core-i9-10900k-official-boosting-up-53.html

5.3 GHz single core boost

CPU consumes 300 watts on boost tho

That's more than a 24-core Threadripper 3960X

Even worse than the Fx-9590

Needs at least a 280mm radiator to stay at boost clock under full load

[storm osprey]

the i5 line is what im interested in

6c12t

[latent light]

i5 will be power hungry too

[latent light]

Damn the 6-core i5-10600K consumes more power than the 12-core Ryzen 9 3900X

[lofty light]

Holy crap

I mean at least it's no longer a terribly hampered core

[latent light]

Looks like Intel 10th gen has such high boost clocks that it makes the power consumption stupid high

Also requires a new motherboard

[ashen ether]

What do you guys think of this

$300

[lofty light]

That's not for gaming or anything right?

[latent light]

@ashen ether that will run BFV at 720p 30 fps and will be stuttery

More like 20 fps tbh

I'd get a 3400G, not a 3200G, with dual channel 16GB RAM at 3000 MHz

That way you still have a 4 core/8 thread CPU and can put a $150 graphics card in it in the future

[supple bane]

pc with no gpu.... yet a 700w psu

[lofty light]

Oh yeah didn't notice that 👀

You'd think it was an Intel PC with that

[supple bane]

heheh

[ashen ether]

If slapped with a 1650 however what do you think @latent light

[latent light]

1650 Super is a way better option than the 1650

While being the same price lol

1650 is slower than a RX 570, while the 1650 Super is almost as good the RX 590

[stoic gull]

4 core cpus just aint cutting it anymore

[latent light]

8 threads is enough for BFV

[tender slate]

we have a channel on something DICE didnt have

[strong breach]

Taken granted you joined here about 1 year ago I'm amazed it took you that long to notice this channel :P

[latent light]

Wtf

[blazing vortex]

How tf do people get cockroaches in the ps4

Like damn put it in a box or something

[quaint topaz]

You would suffocate it then

No good for performance

and... Cockroaches in a PS4? what?

Nevermind. Looked it up, no need to post a video here

[blazing vortex]

that’s nasty asf

Some people smh

[storm osprey]

roaches are just natural part of life and doesnt necessarily mean an individual is nasty

[quaint topaz]

Yup.

Same for rodents. They find a way in one's house and that's normal.

[blazing vortex]

No but the only reason they’re still alive is cus they have a foo source nearby

[storm osprey]

im not trying to defend either, since ive been on my own for 8 years ive only seen 5 roaches in my house

@blazing vortex yea that food source can be a neighbor

that made it sound like i said roaches were eating the neighbor xD

[blazing vortex]

You keep your ps4 in your neighbor’s house?

I don’t live in Canada sry

[storm osprey]

roachs have some code that limits them from leaving the neighbor?

(could be apartments)

hell the distance from my house to my neighbors is like 10 feet

[blazing vortex]

you’re telling me cockroaches are going to a clean house to live in a clean ps4 with no available food sources nearby

[storm osprey]

all im telling you is that roaches are not only limited to nasty people

[blazing vortex]

ik that

But they don’t choose to live in that kind of environment

Which is where your ps4 should be

Cool, clean, sealed off

[storm osprey]

sealed off and cool do not go together

[quaint topaz]

Once they get inside your home they could find a place to settle in. Even if you regularly clean your house, you never think about opening up your PS4 for a deep cleaning lol

[blazing vortex]

Sealed off as in not open when not in use

[storm osprey]

you move your ps4 when you use it?

[blazing vortex]

No

I put it in a box

[storm osprey]

to put it in a box dont you have to move it?

...

[blazing vortex]

no

I use red stone pistons to move it

No I’m saying I seal it in a wood box so that it’s protected and stays dust free

[quaint topaz]

well you do you man as long as you don't keep it in a box while playing games.

will lead to thermal throttling

[blazing vortex]

The real question is how are they living now

If the roaches in the ps4 where there is nothing, then they are probably everywhere

[storm osprey]

i assume you have a specific image in mind where theres hundreds of roaches in the ps4

[quaint topaz]

A quick google search says that they can live for a long duration without food. After all they're one of the oldest creatures in the world so they can manage lol

never thought i'd be googling facts about how cockroaches live on a friday evening

[lofty rain]

hey is there a designated bf4 server. whether community run or not? with a bunch of vc user

[quaint topaz]

@lofty rain If you're referring to discord servers, there are none official or any that I know of. But you can look for players in #lfg-pc #lfg-playstation or #lfg-xbox

[latent light]

Roaches love PS4s because of how hot they get

So the new AGESA microcode makes it to where Ryzen 1000 works on X570/B550 for God knows what reason

[prime jasper]

lmao

priorities

[errant cairn]

RS4
Roach Station 4

[sinful mantle]

Roaches can eat wiring and circuits as well as each other to survive.

spiders are the answer to roach troubles in PCs but you have to clean the old cob webs out every couple months....that makes the spiders happy as well...they like it clean

[hollow hornet]

I am not importing spiders into my pc tower

[quaint topaz]

Gonna buy a prebuilt PC and tarantula bundle next time then

[hollow hornet]

Also imagine living in a country that gets roaches 👀

[timid tinsel]

ha roaches

cockroaches aint a problem for me anymore since my family moved to a new house

[sinful mantle]

they tend to follow you...did you bring all your stuff with you? they hide in paper or cardboard

[blazing vortex]

You can always put a light source close to your ps4

Roaches don’t like light

Or

They will not settle their as often

[hollow hornet]

You know you need power cables for any sort of medium+ tier graphics card

Would new PSUs come with them

[west willow]

They come with the PSU as far as I know, because PCI-e cables aren't universal. (neither is any power cable from your PSU, even if it's modular)

[supple bane]

@hollow hornet any decent named brand power supply will have the power cables needed

[wild parrot]

I have a problem with BF1. While I am playing BF1, the game gets me rarelly back to the menu and it says that I have lost connection to EA servers. I ckeck my internet and everything is ok. How can I solve this problem? (In PC)??

[quaint topaz]

We do not provide game support here on discord. Visit https://www.help.ea.com/ for that @wild parrot

[latent light]

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/6/4/18651894/amd-radeon-samsung-graphics-soc-chipset-exynos-smartphones

[quaint topaz]

Nice

[prime jasper]

hi, would this be able to run bf4? my friend wants the game and doesn't know if he could run it https://igotoffer.com/apple/macbook-air-13-inch-mid-2017#Specifications

[quaint topaz]

Wonder what year it would be when real time ray tracing will be featured on a smartphone for the first time

[supple bane]

no @prime jasper

[prime jasper]

F

thanks

https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/Q304UA/specifications/

would htis?

[supple bane]

No

Neither even have a gpu bruv

You eint running a AAA title on an integrated gpu. Especially one from intel

[forest locust]

@prime jasper you need a laptop that has a dedicated GPU otherwise it will run like sh*t

[quaint topaz]

Here are the Battlefield 4 System Requirements (Minimum)
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz, AMD Athlon X2 2.8 GHz or better
RAM: 4 GB
OS: Windows Vista SP2 32-Bit (with KB971512 System Update)
VIDEO CARD: 512 MB AMD Radeon HD 3870 / NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT or better
PIXEL SHADER: 4.0
VERTEX SHADER: 4.0
FREE DISK SPACE: 30 GB
DEDICATED VIDEO RAM: 512 MB

@prime jasper

And btw, "running the game" does not equal having a playable experience sometimes. It's better to check benchmark videos on whatever device or components you are going to buy beforehand

[supple bane]

Yeah some times minimum refers to what is needed just to let the game launch. Not really being able to play it

Those specs sound like what is required to launch the game

[latent light]

BF4 minimum requirements still surprise me

It can run decently on a Athlon X2

[prime jasper]

@quaint topaz @forest locust thank you, my friend was debating if it's worth keeping any of the laptops

[sterile anvil]

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/6/4/18651894/amd-radeon-samsung-graphics-soc-chipset-exynos-smartphones
Now, we can see those shitty mobile ads in 4k resolution.

[hollow hornet]

@supple bane I ran BF4 fine on an Intel-4400

And his MacBook has a 6000

I mean I had a much better cpu and ram but eh

[pallid silo]

what software do I need to download to overclock my cpu (ryzen 7 1700) I'm doing it from bios but I'm talking about stressing the cpu to 100%

[latent light]

@pallid silo Prime95 is what you should use to stress test an overclocked CPU

[pallid silo]

oh wow!! is it that easy? just run prime95 for 12 hours then its 100% stable? @latent light

[latent light]

@pallid silo just run the "small FFT" option for like 15 minutes

It's very demanding so it doesn't take long

If you do the "blend" option that one should be used for 12 hours

[hollow hornet]

I just watched a vid of someone cooking on an overclocked cpu

lol

[pallid silo]

@latent light is that it? ;o damnnn :DD

how comes loads of people use loads of tools to overclock thne

then

[latent light]

Nothing is as aggressive as Prime95

[pallid silo]

true true ahha :p

[latent light]

The default "Blend" tests a variety of FFT sizes. Smaller ones will fit inside the processor cache, and will hit the execution cores hard. Big FFTs will lean more towards stressing the IMC and ram.

[pallid silo]

ahh okay makes sense!!! :DD I'm running a 1700 and a 1650super

[supple bane]

@supple bane I ran BF4 fine on an Intel-4400
@hollow hornet what do you class as "running fine" ?

[prime jasper]

Why battlefield v uses so much data ,anyone knows how to fix this solution

I have mobile data and I get high ping

[supple bane]

If you are hot spotting from a phone then yes you will get high ping if that's what you mean

[quaint topaz]

Yup. Unless you have access to 5G network, latency is no issue.

[ashen ether]

Hello. My relatives has an internet connection and their house is 30+m away from ours. I want to connect to their internet (they agreed). Can I connect if I buy a cable and plug it into their router and bring another end of the cable back home and plug it into ours?

[supple bane]

no

you would need to plug a wifi booster into the other end of the cable

[pallid silo]

right now testing prime95 my overclock passed 6 hours of OCCT

ryzen 7 1700 3.725ghz 1.25 volts

would you call 6 hours stable

[violet plank]

you can @ashen ether

up to 100m for cat 6a max

you just need to configure your router (if it's able to) accordingly

so it would become an access point

[supple bane]

oh ok, ngl i didnt know you could do that with routers

[violet plank]

not all of them

[latent light]

L3 cache latency on Ryzen is very high when a core from another CCX needs access to cache on another CCX, which AMD is gonna fix with Zen3 and the 8 core CCX design.

[sinful mantle]

@ashen ether i believe we are talking about ethernet cable not cat5/6, You can run way more than 30 meters ethernet. I ran 1000 feet of ethernet once and no drop off.

[latent light]

Why

1000 feet is like 12000 inches bro........

[mild bough]

but why would you @sinful mantle lol

[sinful mantle]

Why?...because I absolutely never use wifi for my gaming machine and it was located in a remote part of my house away from my router and needed to be hard wired.

[gentle musk]

Hey guys, I got a really annoying problem. My battlefield V shortcut on my desktop has the blue/yellow shield icon.. how can I remove it? Really annoying that it asks: "do you want this app to make changes to your device" everytime I want to open bfv. Thanks!

[sinful mantle]

its windows firewall just click yes

[opaque saddle]

I always wondered if people has 450 USD budget for their built. Will they go for a Lenovo E495 or a 3200G/8G/256GB SSD with monitor for same price

[lofty light]

I thought it meant he had the app as "start as administrator" @sinful mantle@gentle musk

[sinful mantle]

You may be correct as I never get that on a icon. I was thinking about the security shield.

[pallid silo]

just ran prime95 for 24 hours pretty sure my overclock is now stable lol

[supple bane]

F on your electricity bill lmao

[pallid silo]

only added 30p xd

but worth it for Stable oc

[latent light]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/72225/nvidias-mid-range-geforce-rtx-3060-could-beat-flagship-2080-ti/index.html

Imagine

[storm osprey]

3080 here i come

[strong breach]

~75% more cuda cores between 3080 and 3080ti

alright

[latent light]

Ik this rumor is pretty awful

[storm osprey]

doesnt every rumor have the 3080ti astronomically better?

[strong breach]

haven't paid attention to GPU rumors

at all

[latent light]

That 8192 cuda core GPU would have to be a mammoth datacenter GPU

[strong breach]

no idea

[storm osprey]

one video i watched suggests nvidia is going all out with 3080ti so big navi cant compete no matter what and amd cant take "fastest gpu" title

i imagine 3080ti will be expensive as fuck if these rumors are true

[strong breach]

ill probably end up getting a 3080

if it's not over 1000€

😴

[storm osprey]

yea ill be getting 3080 as long as its around 700

[strong breach]

that would be nice

[storm osprey]

2080 msrp was 700 wasnt it?

[latent light]

I can see AMD starting a huge price war

[storm osprey]

i mean there should already be price wars but them fucking up driver stability is probably slowing that down

[latent light]

They been doing great with recent drivers

[storm osprey]

yea im sure, but that damage is still carrying on

[pallid silo]

25 hours on prime95
5 hours on OCCT
5 hours on Realbench

my overclock is stable hype!!!!

[supple bane]

whats the overclock?

[pallid silo]

3.725ghz 1.25 volts ryzen 7 1700

[supple bane]

doesnt the 1700 boost to like 3.7 on its own?

you could probably go much further than that

[pallid silo]

yeah but only a few cores

I prefer being stable as can be :p

plus I dont need more performance than 3.7ghz xd

I did 4ghz to try it out and in all my apps I see no benefit from 3.7 to 4ghz

[violet plank]

tweaktown & wccftech = add at least a truckload salt to it

[pallid silo]

@violet plank ?

[violet plank]

they are/never were reliable sources

[latent light]

@storm osprey

[storm osprey]

woot

[latent light]

No way Nvidia is shipping anything close to 8,192 cuda consumer wise like the article states as the 3080Ti

That's like shipping a full Quadro rtx 8000 as a 2080ti

Would be a huge waste of money on their part because a die like that could be easily sold for $30,000 in a datacenter card

[sinful mantle]

Hey Nyphon....you told me to tell you what I hated about "squad"

Only thing I hate is; I hate that I didn't get it sooner.

[storm osprey]

woooow

[sinful mantle]

yeah man I'm

digging the game

but of course I'm an old PR player so I understand the hurry up and wait deal

[storm osprey]

PR?

[prime jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618959621268307988/707003283348258867/chromeram.jpg

[pallid silo]

would a 5400 bitrate be okay for 1080p 60fps? x264 medium? for lego games?

on obs

[forest token]

third person or isometric or first person?

[pallid silo]

third person it's a lego game lol

[forest token]

should be ok, but test it first

[pallid silo]

true xd

[storm osprey]

i want 3080!

i like odd numbers so i tend to buy products with those numbers

i hope ryzens next cpus are 5000

[latent light]

Definitely are

[storm osprey]

fuck yes

5600 and 3080 here i come!!

[lofty light]

They're skipping the 4000 series?

[storm osprey]

4000 are in laptops right now

though i didnt know 4000 series were only for laptops like it sounds like grim is saying

[latent light]

@storm osprey oh thought you were asking if 5000 is coming next (after 4000) lol

[storm osprey]

I was wondering what was next for desktop at all

[latent light]

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-4000-release-date-specs-performance/

Zen 3 will deliver performance "right in line what you might expect from an entirely new architecture". By that assumption, we're hopefully expecting a 15% IPC improvement with Zen 3 over today's chips.

Whispers from the grapevine tell of an announcement at the rescheduled Taiwanese tech show, Computex, which is due to take place from September 28-30, 2020. There's little backing up this speculation beyond the fact it's a show AMD has headlined in the past.

[warped minnow]

Hello

I have question

[supple bane]

We cant answer said question unless you tell us lmao

[slate rivet]

anyone use Azure WVD?

[hardy stump]

Is there a way to change back to the old blue german/british menu?

[storm osprey]

maybe ill get intel since i like multiples of 10 more than even numbers

[supple bane]

what did they put in your coffee?

[sinful mantle]

some very spaced out statements here this morning.

My ISPs tech supervisor came by this morning and admitted to throttling connection speeds

im getting 1.7 Mbps right now and its just afternoon...by tonight I'll be in the Kbps range

[supple bane]

oof

[sinful mantle]

i haven't had a decent game in months now

[supple bane]

i have also been having connection problems recently. but in the form of drop outs

its well known and is just my isp, they are having issues all across the uk

once a day the internet will just randomly die for about 15 minutes then come right back

[sinful mantle]

at 4:00 am i get amazing speeds 240down12 up but by 4pm when the script kicks in it goes to hell

yeah they are having spikes everywhere but my particular ISP is way over subscribbed and are getting caught with their panties down proverbial speaking

@supple bane yeah this is why my ISP is throttling if they left it wide open it would crash

i got a 999ms ping the other night

on a NA server no less

[pallid silo]

can I get banned for using a VPN on my pc 24/7 on steam/origin/uplay/battle net? I'm from Essex and having a london vpn (I'm like 40 mins away on the train from london :)) just wondering if any game or steam it self can ban me for using a VPN?

[sinful mantle]

you might get a ban from game servers for using a VPN

most people that use VPN on game servers is because they got their IP banned for cheating

[pallid silo]

ahh okay!! so should I just turn my vpn off when gaming

[sinful mantle]

yep

no need for one in game

[pallid silo]

ah okay!! :p I'll just use it on my phone and fire stick then

[sinful mantle]

yeah thats what i do...just to mask my use of Kodi

on my firestick

[pallid silo]

fair enough! :p so no vpn on gaming pc but what about my streaming/editing pc

[sinful mantle]

you should be okay

[pallid silo]

I just go onto YouTube upload page on there OBS adobe software and thays it

[sinful mantle]

its that game servers look up for VPNs

[pallid silo]

ahh okay :p

I'll install my vpn onto editing pc then

[sinful mantle]

you can set it up on your network via router

[pallid silo]

I cant xd

I use netflix

[sinful mantle]

ahh

[pallid silo]

yeah :P

[pallid silo]

so what do you think about this...? so if I was to be travelling the world what would make more sense? buy 2 1TB SD cards (this will last so long I'll have to work out how many minutes and stuff I can record that for :p)

or... do I buy a smaller SD card and a 500 pounds laptop and then I'd have to edit on the go while I'm out there (have to charge up laptop and camera) and extra weight there too :p

but not too sure what to do tbh... coz if I get the 1tb SD card then I can edit on my beefy pc when I get home but not too sure so I thought I'd ask your opinion lel :p

1tb worth of storage is about 150 pounds

(sd card is actually 150 pounds I'd get just 10 of these for 128gb a sd card which is 1.28TB)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter-Performance/dp/B073JYC4XM/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=sd%2Bcard%2B128gb&qid=1588700859&sr=8-3

[supple bane]

Really depends on the trip imo

If you are filming for half a day and then have the rest of the day free time and have time to edit then just take a laptop

If you are filming for entire days and wont have much spare time then just get massive cards

[latent light]

Back when AMD was the first to reach 1GHz on a CPU

May 2000

[flat geyser]

haha now they´re selling r5 3600 for 160 Euro

[pallid silo]

@supple bane yeah I'm filming from like 9am to 9PM at night then sleeping straight away

doing this for 2 months solid

[prime jasper]

Does anyone have any idea why with an i9-9900k and rtx2080ti I have stuttering with directx 12 in battlefield v? With directx 11 it is very fluid.

[latent light]

@prime jasper DX11 seems to be more fluid for everyone

[prime jasper]

https://youtu.be/PvmB0yhbELc

But this is normal?

[latent light]

Is your CPU and GPU at reasonable temperatures?

Also make sure your RAM is in dual channel mode and not single channel

Also enable XMP profile in BIOS for RAM

[prime jasper]

Cpu 70, gpu 65, ram dual channel and xmp profile on

[latent light]

[supple bane]

What

[flat geyser]

omg i need that...

nasa or what haha

[latent light]

16k Mbps = 2 GB/s

Download modern warfare in 50 seconds

[supple bane]

is that your connection?

[latent light]

No lol

[supple bane]

oh, i was going to say lmao

[latent light]

Not possible for a normal household to have those speeds currently doesn't matter how rich you are lol

[supple bane]

oh thesaloniki

thats greece right?

[lofty light]

It does matter how rich you are

You can just get 50 fibre lines to your house and run them all together

[supple bane]

i mean

its pretty easy to fake too

[molten bramble]

It is plausible to get those speeds to a household in the U.S.. Not sure about other countries.

It will cost you a pretty fucking penny.

[supple bane]

i dont know why you would want to tho

completely fucking useless for a normal household

[molten bramble]

Some employees/contractors at certain companies run personal SCIFs in their homes for modeling/analysis/uplink/development reasons.

Presence in real time can be heavy on the pipe, especially when multiplying presences.

[flat geyser]

and then there is me, with 1mbps...

[strong breach]

I'm comfortable with my 300mbps download speed

when downloading anything i get about 20mb/s

good enough.

[violet plank]

no problem to get 10gig fiber here,but i'm ok with 1 gig,would need to rewire the house for 10 gig,not starting with the prices for 10 gig switches and cards

i want the next upgrad to be fiber in the house instead of copper

[mild bough]

hey guys

why can i talk on discord and everything

but

Like my router is down, but I can still talk on Discord

[supple bane]

are you doing this on your phone or on your pc?

[quaint topaz]

Well if you're on phone then you're likely using your mobile data.

Otherwise you wouldn't be able to connect to Discord.

[supple bane]

thats what i was going to say lol

if you have ever used your phones hotspot on your pc too, it may automatically connect

[lean cipher]

why do i keep getting extremely low frames on bf 1 i have a rx580 8gb ram intel i5 8400 k

it used to be good before but now its bad

[latent light]

@lean cipher very likely that the ram is a bottleneck

16GB in dual channel is recommended

https://www.techpowerup.com/266703/nvidia-underestimated-amds-efficiency-gains-from-tapping-into-tsmc-7nm-report

[lean cipher]

yeah

[storm osprey]

just release shit and compete with each other with acceptable wattage and good performance

[latent light]

RDNA2 50% efficiency gains over RDNA1

That means 5700XT performance is achievable at ~130w TDP

[lean cipher]

im getting a new gaming pc anyway the pc i have now isnt even a gaming pc lol

[quaint topaz]

I'm excited to see RDNA2 in action.

AMD will probably dominate the GPU market too.

[lean cipher]

Nvidia is the best

AMD wont be better

[quaint topaz]

I mean, only time will tell.

[lean cipher]

well i cant put an AMD graphics card in an intel system

oh i can

[supple bane]

you can

[quaint topaz]

lol ok

[lean cipher]

yes

im stupid

im so dumb

i have one in mine now lol

with intel

but should i get a 2080

[supple bane]

atm the 5700xt, rx 580 and rx 570 are all better options than the nvidia counter parts

[lean cipher]

or amd

i have an rx 580

[west willow]

Yeah, you really can't beat AMD with price to performance

[quaint topaz]

If you really can't wait for the next gen GPUs then get a 2070 Super if it fits your budget.

[lean cipher]

should i get a 2080 or an amd

[supple bane]

i would class rx 580 as a gaming pc lol

[lean cipher]

yes but my ram is crap

and my cpu is crap as well

[quaint topaz]

What

[lean cipher]

intel i5 8400k

and 8 gb ram

terrible lol

[supple bane]

that cpu doesnt exist btw

[lean cipher]

when r the next gen gpus coming out

intel i5?

[west willow]

No the 8400k

[supple bane]

its either an i5 8400 or i5 8600k

[west willow]

only the 8400 I think

[lean cipher]

oh

yes i have 8400

sorry

but

[storm osprey]

i can only hope amd does really well so i can get nvidia for cheaper

[lean cipher]

when r the next gpus coming out

[west willow]

fair enough

[storm osprey]

(since i have a first gen gsync monitor nvidia is my only choice)

[quaint topaz]

nvidia
cheaper

[west willow]

true

[storm osprey]

not cheaper of the 2, just cheaper in response

like the 2060 ko being 300 vs 330+ for other 2060 gpus in response to 5600xt

[quaint topaz]

I might get a freesync monitor that is compatible with gsync to have more flexibility for upgrades in the future

[lean cipher]

THE 3080 IS COMING OUT IN AUGUST

im waiting

[storm osprey]

its not

[lean cipher]

i just read

[storm osprey]

link?

[lean cipher]

it said august

https://www.techradar.com/news/rtx-3080

[storm osprey]

pretty sure they have gtc announcement in august and thats likely for prosumer products

[quaint topaz]

It's rumored.

Rumors =/= actual release date.

[lean cipher]

should i wait for the next gpus?

or just buy a pc now

[storm osprey]

wait

[lean cipher]

ok

i will

[west willow]

Probably, it's not like the 580 is a bad card

[storm osprey]

unless you really cant

[lean cipher]

no i could wait

[west willow]

pretty good actually (for 1080p)

[lean cipher]

580 is good

i just need a better monitor cpu and ram

[storm osprey]

ah its may 14th for gtc, which will likely announce professional cards

i mean, i hope for 3080 asap since i am literally waiting for just that

[lean cipher]

yes me too

[quaint topaz]

Yeah, the RX 580 easily competes with the GTX 1060 or 1660

[lean cipher]

yeah

i just need better ram

for now

[storm osprey]

you plan on going from a 580 to 3080?

[lean cipher]

pyes

[storm osprey]

for what monitor?

[lean cipher]

a very good monitor

240 hz 1 ms

1080p

i havent found one yet

[supple bane]

144hz 1440p > 240hz 1080p

[storm osprey]

even then 3080 might be overkill unless its bfv at ultra settings

[lean cipher]

well i am trying to buy it for siege

r6

not only battfield

[quaint topaz]

For BFV you don't really need an extremely high-end card. It's the CPU that you should worry about more.

[lean cipher]

yes

i am getting i9 990

9900

something like that

[storm osprey]

10th gen is coming out this month

[lean cipher]

oh

[storm osprey]

more cores across the board

[lean cipher]

so i will get that

[storm osprey]

i5 series will be 6c12t

[lean cipher]

im trying to get a rlly good pc

one that will last me a long time

for gaming

[storm osprey]

ehh, just dont fall into spending money just because

[lean cipher]

one that will be able to play bfv r6 valorant microsoft flight sim etc

[prime jasper]

you need to focus on your ram and gpu first

[lean cipher]

yes

ram will be 32 gb

16 x 2

[storm osprey]

overkill

[lean cipher]

wow

everything is overkill lol

[prime jasper]

a 9900k will be fine if you want that, anything newer will require a new mobo

[storm osprey]

everything you pick

[quaint topaz]

Well you don't really need 32gb for gaming.

[lean cipher]

yeah i know that

[quaint topaz]

16 nowadays is more than enough.

[lean cipher]

yeah

[west willow]

• you can always add another 16GBs later

[lean cipher]

truew

ok so 16 gb ram

2 x 8

[quaint topaz]

Unless your motherboard has 2 slots only

[west willow]

rip in that case

[lean cipher]

my current one

has 4

so i can go 4 by 4

how do i know if my specs will overkill or not

i am gonna buy a prebuilt

so i dont break anything

[quaint topaz]

get 8gb x2 and install them in slots 2 and 4

[lean cipher]

yes

but i want a new pc

[prime jasper]

build one

[lean cipher]

i dont know how

and i dont want to break anything

then that will be a waste of money

[quaint topaz]

It's basically LEGOs. Expensive LEGO.

[lean cipher]

and i dont want to overclock everything

[quaint topaz]

you dont have to

[prime jasper]

you dont need to overclock anything

[storm osprey]

you really only need to OC gpu

even then you dont "need" to

[west willow]

I didn't know either, but there are plenty of great channels on youtube

[lean cipher]

yeah but i dont want to mess it up

[storm osprey]

some gpus like amds latest dont even oc well at all

[quaint topaz]

My 2080 ti is still running on stock speeds. Although I really like the EVGA software. Its so good.

[lean cipher]

well i am just to find my parts first and see if they will overkill or not lol

so

8 x 2 ram

for now

[storm osprey]

you really cant plan until the week of buying

prices change often

[lean cipher]

yes but i dont know what overkills or not

do i need to find compatibilty

[quaint topaz]

Start gathering parts in https://pcpartpicker.com/ and start asking for help once you have a list. Pretty sure they have a subreddit and a discord server so people can give you better assistance there.

[storm osprey]

pcpartpicker

[lean cipher]

ok

cool 🙂

thanks

[storm osprey]

really though

When asking for a build or build advice, answer the following questions in your post:

1. What's your budget/currency and country of purchase? Any preferred physical/online shops?
2. Gaming? Streaming? What's your resolution/FPS targets? What games are you playing?
3. Not gaming or professional/hobby use cases? What are the applications you will use and workload involved? Kindly elaborate as much as possible.
4. What else do you need to buy? (monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset, speakers, Windows, WiFi)
5. Anything else you want to tell us? RGB, Small Form Factor, already have a part list? Tell us!
6. If you have a build list and are looking for a second opinion or are upgrading an existing system, please have a PCPartPicker permalink for it (https://pcpartpicker.com/list)
   if you could answer those this would help

if you answer this we could help a lot already

[quaint topaz]

Yup

[prime jasper]

https://www.logicalincrements.com/

everything you need for a given budget

[storm osprey]

is that updated daily from all vendors?

[lean cipher]

budget: 4000$ CAD

gaming

resolution 1920 by 1080

fps well that depends

[prime jasper]

thats a huge budget for 1080

[lean cipher]

well

[storm osprey]

ehh i already dont like that site

[lean cipher]

can i lower

so 3000$

[prime jasper]

why not 1440p

[lean cipher]

hmm

ok sure

if thats better

then sure

[storm osprey]

recommending a 3950 just because it costs more for the budget

[lean cipher]

but i will play rainbow six and battfield

[storm osprey]

goes from recommending 3600 to 3600x just because of price increase

bleh

[quaint topaz]

4000 dollars? can easily hit 4K with that kind of money.

[west willow]

same with going from a 3600x to a 3700x, when swapping the 5700 for an 5700xt

[storm osprey]

yea this list is sus

[west willow]

I would go with a 3600 for both of them

[lean cipher]

well i will be gaming as a hobby

but not consistently

i have work

i need to buy a monitor

[storm osprey]

basically 3600 in anything other than 240hz monitors then youd go 9700k and then not increase from there imo

[lean cipher]

wifi

[storm osprey]

but atm people should wait for 10th gen reviews/availability

[lean cipher]

well

yes i am

but i have a question

if i buy a 3080 with 10th gen and 16 gb ram is that overkill?

[storm osprey]

@lean cipher i was just discussing that "logicalincrements" site

[lean cipher]

ah

[quaint topaz]

Ditch wifi if running a lan cable from your router to your PC is an option.

Better latency.

[storm osprey]

if i buy a 3080 with 10th gen and 16 gb ram is that overkill?
@lean cipher for 240hz no, that sounds a little more than youll need but not overkill imo

[lean cipher]

i want 240 hz

but

[storm osprey]

i also dont know the games and settings you want

[lean cipher]

i am playing r6

and battfield

[storm osprey]

settings?

[lean cipher]

battfield

i play on low for now

but if i buy a great pc

ultra

[storm osprey]

(for competitive gaming low is still recommended for visibility)

[lean cipher]

yes

i will play low on r6

and high on bfv

and high on the new flight sim coming out

[storm osprey]

yea 3080 sounds reasonable for 240hz 1080p

[lean cipher]

alright

[storm osprey]

i personally would go 1440p 144hz as an alternative

but resolution mostly depends on what size monitor you want

[lean cipher]

24-27 inch

i also play 4:3 in siege

[storm osprey]

24 is 1080p, if you go 27 then imo you need 1440p

[lean cipher]

yeah

i think the one i want is 24.5 inches

[quaint topaz]

Actually I think it has been proven that playing on 4:3 in siege is useless

[latent light]

1440p 27" pixel density is similar to 1080p 22"

[lean cipher]

lots of pros play