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thick copper
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Honestly why not go for ryzen 5 3600x?

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For 20 bucks

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More

sinful mantle
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about fans; its best to have a more powerful fan at rear

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maybe one rear one at top for optimal exit air flow

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i actually had a box with no front fans just the two at rear

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hard drives didnt get that hot

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well have to admit i also ran water cooling

storm osprey
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3600 vs 3600x is such a minimal difference.

lucid quarry
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My CPU hits 100% Regularly, as a result, frickin destroying my games. My game options are on the lowest quality graphics. And I still get huge lag spikes, that are fucking my gameplay. Anyone know how to fix this?

latent light
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you're gonna get worse lag spikes at lower settings

lucid quarry
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Whaaaaa

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Really?

latent light
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lowering graphics settings puts less work on the graphics card and more work on the CPU

lucid quarry
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crap, I am an idiot.

latent light
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what CPU do you have

lucid quarry
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let me try to figure it out, lol

latent light
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if you open Task manager and click on the Performance tab, it will tell you

lucid quarry
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k

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Intel(R)Core(TM)????

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mabye?

latent light
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that's not a CPU

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that's just the brand

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it should say something like i7-7700 or i5-8400

lucid quarry
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i5-7300

latent light
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i5-7300HQ or i5-7300U?

lucid quarry
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HQ

latent light
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that's a 4 core, 4 thread laptop CPU, it will lag in BFV

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can't do anything about that

lucid quarry
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damn, thx. just so I know my computer is not trash

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Lol

latent light
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it's not, it's just BFV is very CPU intensive

lucid quarry
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ye

river wyvern
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@latent light Isn't capping the game at 60FPS will work?

slate rivet
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Henlo

thick copper
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guys idk whats happening

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but after the update my game crashes

sinful mantle
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Hotkins you've been having troubles with your game for awhile now. go on voice lets talk this out i have some ideas. ill be in general.

prime jasper
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@thick copper you just overclocked your cpu, which can cause crashes too

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@thick copper repair your game, it was crashing for me too, but repairing fixed it

steady token
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Help I lost the an skin on this new patch man

thick copper
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@sinful mantle thats not the problem with my game

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just after THIS new update i got crashes

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also i overclocked my cpu a while ago

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so that is not the problem

steady token
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I lost a skin for the CHURCHILL MK VII 20.700 Company Coins :(

thick copper
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i changed directx and it works

sinful mantle
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get it repared then...so that the base game corresponds with the updat...its a huge update in fact

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try that

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oh great...hahaha...glad to hear that

thick copper
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The problem with CPU still remains

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Tho

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Even after changing resolution to 1440p

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Or more

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Still 100cpu

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All I can do is wait for ryzen 5 3600 and new mobo

lost siren
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PLEASE DIE FIX The Audio Cut out BUG on BF5 ASAP!!!

storm osprey
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try fixing files

slate rivet
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Eugene..... woooow

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i summon ui

kindred cedar
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Yea

slate rivet
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go to control panel

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uninstall a program

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find discord and repair

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rip doesn't give the option

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does it work in the browser?

kindred cedar
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My brain hurts

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I can click on others names but not mine

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It shows nothing on mine

slate rivet
kindred cedar
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See

slate rivet
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uninstall the app and try again mate

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Have you tried signing out and signing back in?

sinful mantle
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that smells like an overlay issue

slate rivet
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works fine on my phone

void stone
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Can someone help me? My game keeps on crashing after one minute into a game

storm osprey
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likely new patch problems

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repair files

void stone
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you mean just click repair in origin launcher?

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Because ive already done that twice and it changes nothing

storm osprey
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other than a reinstalling bfv i dont think theres much we can do

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its likely just new patch problems like normal

void stone
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wow that sucks

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when will these most likely be fixed?

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(i started 4 days ago)

storm osprey
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varies

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theres no "usual" with bfv/dice

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somethings get fixed fairly quick, other things dont

void stone
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...and it works for some but doesnt for others

storm osprey
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yep

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i mean, we are talking about hundreds of thousands of different combinations of hardware

void stone
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yeah

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anyways, thank you

thick copper
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Will this Ryzen 5 3600 work well with the gtx 1660 super? i dont want to waste my money and then cant play games

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its frustrating

storm osprey
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3600 is basically THE go to cpu right now

west willow
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I don't know why it wouldn't, works great with my card

storm osprey
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you will technically get better fps with other cpus, but they cost more, arent THAT much better, or have half the threads

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i wouldnt think a 3600 would bottleneck meaningfully anything but high end pus like a 2080 super

west willow
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the 8th and 9th gen i5 and i7s cough

thick copper
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i think ni did a mistake buying gtx 1660 super 😦

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and that i wasted my money

storm osprey
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yea 8th and 9th gen i5/i7 are better but i7 cost much more, and i5 are barely better while not being hyperthreaded and still cost more

latent light
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Today

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1PM Pacific time

west willow
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@thick copper It isn't a bad deal where I live, almost RX 5600XT performance for more than 50EUR (sometimes up to 80) less. Something being a good deal all depends on local prices.

thick copper
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i mean

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i was thinking a lot of the gpu and all i was ending up with was gtx 1660 super

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but eh

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idunno

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i dont really feel it

west willow
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It's a good card for 1080p, for 2k 1440p you would need more power though. Really depends on the monitor and budget.

thick copper
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all i got left is to pray that ryzen will boost fps

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i am okay with 1080p

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dont need more

supple bane
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2k is 1080p!!!!

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1.5k is 1440p

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1920=2000 pixels=2k

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2560=2500 pixels=2.5k

thick copper
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1920 =/= 2000

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man

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you good with maths?

supple bane
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its close

quick locust
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you know, 2K is a cinema resolution

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close to 1080p though

thick copper
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"its close" my math teacher would kill you just for that phrase

west willow
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My fault, for some reason I thought it was 1440p

quick locust
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i am a physicist not a mathematician Yes

storm osprey
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resolution is weird..

supple bane
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2k is 1920x1080 2.5k is 2560x1440 4k is 3840xsomething or another

thick copper
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4k is not 3840

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bruh

supple bane
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ah

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idk that one

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it was a guess

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errr

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yes it is

thick copper
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man

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4k = 4000

supple bane
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yes i am aware

thick copper
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1920 =/= 2000

supple bane
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yes but

thick copper
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1920 =/= 2k

supple bane
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i dont make the rules

storm osprey
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why do we say 1080p for 1920x1080 but say 4k for 3840x2160

supple bane
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its just how it is

quick locust
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because marketing

thick copper
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just 3840p

west willow
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dk, to make stuff confusing I guess

quick locust
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2160p

storm osprey
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lol fuckers

quick locust
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if you go by same logic as 1080p

west willow
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Sounds like a higher number, so more sales?

latent light
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We may see the "Nvidia killer" Navi GPU reveal today

thick copper
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how much navi gpu will cost

latent light
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Probably close to 2080ti price

thick copper
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ah

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is there other gpus worth at gtx 1660s price?

west willow
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Navi is just a codename for the RDNA architecture though, the RX5500 is also a navi card

supple bane
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rx 580

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and the rx 5500xt

quick locust
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gigabit internet yet downloading BFV update is 30 mbps

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thanks origin servers

supple bane
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there arent any other nvidia gpu options for that price point, the gtx 1060 maybe but that would have it butt kicked by the others

west willow
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The closest performance wise to 1660 super, would be a rx5600xt

supple bane
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youd pay more for that tho i think

west willow
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Yes

supple bane
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i think the 1660 super is your best bet really

thick copper
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Should I return my gtx for Rx 5500xt

west willow
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You'll get worse perfomance, especially if it's a super

thick copper
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I have gtx 1660 super

west willow
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Except for some games that heavily favour AMD cards, but you have games that do the same with nvidea

thick copper
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Okay

storm osprey
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1660 super and 5600xt are like ideal 1080p gpus

west willow
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The only exception, would be really high refresh rates (144hz or more)

thick copper
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Idk I am going crazy and I feel like I wasted my money because I can't feel the performance with this cpu

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But that's killing me

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Waiting 5 years for upgrade

storm osprey
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Only time you aren’t getting high FPS with these cards is if you are using high settings too

thick copper
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I'm fine with 70fps locked

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With no input lag

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At ultra

storm osprey
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1660s is perfect for that

thick copper
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60 no because tearing

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70 is perfect

prime jasper
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If youre tearing you should try vsync

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Or gsync if you have a monitor that supports it

storm osprey
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vsync input lag 🤮

prime jasper
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I sure dont lag on the way over to your moms house

storm osprey
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you dont have vsync on

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duh

west willow
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input lag is still better than screen tearing though, if you don't have another choice

storm osprey
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depending on what you are doing

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if you are playing csgo, hell no

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if you are playing witcher 3, sure

west willow
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still prefer a delay of a few ms, over it looking totally fucked up.

storm osprey
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id rather not lose matches because im always a split second behind my enemies reaction times because of settings

west willow
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That's what high refresh monitors or gsync (freesync for AMD) are for

storm osprey
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well yea, but he doesnt have that right? so hes stuck on using vsync which is doo doo

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i use gsyn when i play comp games

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theres a delay there too, but its extremely minimal

west willow
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Yeah, but if he doesn't play competitive, it isn't as big of an issue and I would say the tears are more distracting

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Personally I use freesync, but if vsync is the only option

thick copper
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but the thing is

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i only get tearing on 60 locked

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anything above is fine

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no need for vsync and inputlag

latent light
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Vsync input lag is massively exaggerated

true cradle
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hi everyone, my bfv is not running smoothly at all and im lucky if i get 20 frames, so im upgrading my pc, but i wanted to know what i should prioritize, so can anyone tell me what battlefield relies on more? cpu or gpu

west willow
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it's really cpu intensive

thick copper
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by really he means massiveeeee

true cradle
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so would a ryzen 5 2600x with a 1050 satify my need

storm osprey
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when i had a 60hz monitor that had bad tearing and when i used vsync i could distinctly FEEL it, its not a matter of is only being a few ms or anything, but the fact that you can feel it throws it off

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@true cradle bfv hits your whole system

true cradle
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thinking of getting a 1650 actually as well

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well i have alot of extra space and an ssd

thick copper
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ryzen 5 2600 and 1660

true cradle
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2600X*

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the x means extreme

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so its kinda better

storm osprey
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dont need x

thick copper
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x means money

true cradle
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lmao

storm osprey
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its negligible difference, i would only get X if it was the same price as the non x

true cradle
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well its in my range but ill see

latent light
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@true cradle if you live in the USA, you can get the Ryzen 5 1600AF for $85 on amazon, it's basically a 2600 for a lot cheaper

true cradle
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but i dont live in us....

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:c

latent light
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then you can invest the rest of that money into a better GPU

west willow
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@true cradle I would get at least a 1650 or rx570 for bf5, especially if you want to turn the setting up. A 2600 is fine though

thick copper
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wait wait wait

true cradle
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i said 1650

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so ok

thick copper
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is ryzen 5 1600 af better than 5 3600?

storm osprey
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no

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1600 af isnt even better than a 2600

latent light
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get a 1650 Super, it's the same price as a 1650 and 40% faster

west willow
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seriously? the same price

thick copper
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is 1660 better than 1650?

west willow
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yes

true cradle
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yues

west willow
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RX580 or gtx1660 is the sweet spot for 1080p if it fits in your budget, otherwise get the 1650 super (better) or 570 (normally cheaper)

storm osprey
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1080p 60fps

latent light
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@true cradle does your country have amazon?

true cradle
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nope

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egypt

latent light
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damn

true cradle
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but i did order my pc from amazon, i doubt my parents would allow me to use amazon again tho

latent light
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what are the specs of it

true cradle
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not good

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or "outdated"

latent light
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I hope it's not a Fx-6300 and GT 730 build lmao

true cradle
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no

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its an i3 and 1050

latent light
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which i3 is it

true cradle
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dont remember

latent light
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is it a dual core?

true cradle
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yup

latent light
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oof

prime jasper
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damn

true cradle
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but the ryzen 5 im getting is 6 core

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for 200 bucks.....

latent light
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even a new i3 can't run BFV smooth

west willow
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BFV would burn that poor CPU into a crisp

latent light
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yeah you're also gonna need a new motherboard

true cradle
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wtf why

west willow
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other socket

latent light
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because you need a new motherboard for a new socket

west willow
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AM4

latent light
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Ryzen and Intel aren't the same company

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Ryzen is AMD

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basically, an upgrade is gonna cost you about $300

true cradle
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ok fuck this im getting an i5

latent light
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that will still be laggy

true cradle
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isnt that same kinda

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ok then what

latent light
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a quad-core i5 will still stutter in BFV lmao

west willow
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quad cores without extra threads will strugle as well though

true cradle
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cuz i aint switching a motherboard

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my ass

latent light
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we need to know what CPU you have

true cradle
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aight one sec

latent light
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because if it's a 6th gen then you're gonna have to upgrade to a 6th gen i7

west willow
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4C/8T or 6C is the minimum I would recommend for it to be smooth, so atleast an old i7

latent light
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I bet he's got an i3-6100 or some shit

prime jasper
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lmao

west willow
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7th gen at most, but I guess older as well

latent light
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it's a prebuilt with a 1050, so we know it's no older than 2016

true cradle
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nope

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2018

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and its a skytech

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its ryzen

latent light
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you just said i3

true cradle
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well i said i dont remember as well soooo

latent light
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open Task manager and click on the Performance tab

true cradle
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ok

latent light
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it will tell you what CPU and ram you have

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RAM is important for BFV as much as CPU

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if you're running single channel you're gonna have a bad time

true cradle
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yo

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its says

west willow
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Yeah, dual channel is pretty important

true cradle
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amd fx(tm)-6300 six core processor

latent light
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oof

west willow
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AM3, so an older socket

true cradle
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has 3 cores

latent light
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there's no real upgrade for that motherboard, best CPU would be the Fx-8350 or 8370 and those will still have pretty bad performance

true cradle
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1 socket

latent light
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click on the Memory tab

true cradle
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8 gb

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and guess what

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ddr3

latent light
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ofc

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how many slots are used

true cradle
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wait

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it says

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in use 4

latent light
true cradle
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and avaialabe 4

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1 out of 4

latent light
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oof Fx-6300 with single channel

wind laurel
west willow
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RIP indeed

true cradle
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ok so what do i do

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sell this piece of shit

latent light
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yeah you might as well buy a used Xbox or PS4 at that point

true cradle
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and buy a better one

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or "build one"

latent light
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well an upgrade is gonna be $300 at least

true cradle
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well i avoided the ps4 because of fucking ps plus

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well i bought this for

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a wopping 700 bucks

latent light
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ooooooooooof

true cradle
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so maybe sell it for 500

latent light
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you're not gonna sell a PC like that for more than $200

true cradle
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yeah....

latent light
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that's not a gaming PC by any means

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that's worse than most office PCs

true cradle
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well im fucked

latent light
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only decent part in that PC is the GTX 1050

true cradle
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ti*

west willow
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But the CPU will hold it back a lot

true cradle
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so what

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change motherboard?

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and that will solve alot of shit

latent light
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motherboard, ram and CPU

true cradle
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like be able to buy new components

west willow
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a 1050ti is decent enough for BFV

latent light
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DDR3 ram doesn't work with new CPUs/motherboards, you need DDR4

true cradle
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i know

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so i keep the 1050?

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but throw out all the other bs

west willow
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basically

true cradle
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or sell it for cheap shit

storm osprey
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might be able to keep psu and storage

latent light
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your best upgrade would be a Ryzen 5 2600, B450 motherboard and 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 ram

true cradle
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my country is not well advanced so i can sell this stuff

latent light
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probably

true cradle
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because newstuff here is really expensive

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so i can figure out something

west willow
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I'd recommend 2933mhz ram as well, ryzen loves faster memory. You can go higher, but it's technically not supported on a 2600

prime jasper
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oh shyet i just bought 1600AF for 100 bucks

storm osprey
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you fool

prime jasper
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scammed GWsetmyxPeepoCry

true cradle
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i found a gigabyte b450 ds3h am4 amd b450 satagb/s micro atx amd mother board

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for

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106 buvks

west willow
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the 1600af's performance is almost dientical to the 2600

true cradle
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what about normal 1600

west willow
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Slightly lower clockspeeds

latent light
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I think Gamers Nexus 1600AF overclocked better than their 2600 lmao

storm osprey
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1600af is like 2-3 less fps than 2600

true cradle
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read the mother board

true cradle
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and tell me if good

thick copper
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so its good yes?

latent light
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yes

thick copper
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oke

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what about my rams

prime jasper
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I'm not sure wtf thay middle thing is supposed to be lmao

true cradle
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what about me

latent light
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@true cradle that one will work

thick copper
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4x4 corsair vengeance 3000mhz

true cradle
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will it work well

thick copper
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do they need upgrade?

latent light
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get 2x8GB

storm osprey
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3200 minimum for 3600

slim loom
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hey, i cant get battlefield to load off this screen

west willow
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3000 cl15 or 3200 cl16 speed and timing wise

storm osprey
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price differnnce is like 10 bucks

thick copper
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i have

storm osprey
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3600 if its not much more

thick copper
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4x4 corsair vengeance 3000mhz cl15

storm osprey
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just use that if you already have it

latent light
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yeah

thick copper
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last but not least

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psu

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be quiet pure power 530w

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need to change?

latent light
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good enough

thick copper
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oke

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so i will have bios click with this mobo

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not the ugly one?

true cradle
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ok what else do i need @latent light , what is the most important stuff

prime jasper
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Bios click?

thick copper
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where i can click

prime jasper
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Oh yeah

west willow
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@thick copper Yeah, it won't blow up on you. good enough

storm osprey
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on your mouse

thick copper
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i dont remember the name

prime jasper
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Definitely

thick copper
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he showed me 2 images

latent light
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@true cradle Ryzen 5 2600, any B450 motherboard that's best value, 2x8GB DDR4 RAM, at least 2666 MHz speed

thick copper
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one ugly and one nice

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bios's

west willow
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B450 Tomahawk max is a nice one

true cradle
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so i will focus on ram and ryzen

prime jasper
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It is

true cradle
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thanks bud

latent light
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he can't afford the tomahawk

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it's $40 more than the one he's looking at

true cradle
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tomahawk i can

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oh

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actually yeah

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nvm i cant

west willow
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Any B450 board will do really for a 2600

true cradle
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the path to 60 fps is finally clear

slim loom
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hey, i cant run battlefield, it keeps taking me to a black screen, and a constant loading screen in the top right corner

thick copper
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MSI click bios 5

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That's what it's called

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The good looking one

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Will this mobo have it?

west willow
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yes, I have it, although the dragon doesn't look the same (or I don't remember correctly) : p

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Don't think that matters though

thick copper
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Right now I have the black version

true cradle
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@latent light can you friend me so i can tell you components and you supervise me

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or advise me

thick copper
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Grim can you be my friend too

slim loom
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yo, can anyone help me?

thick copper
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Yes

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Reinstall your system

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Always do the thing for me

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And it's faster

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Guys question

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Low CPU limits fps even when it's usage is low?

pallid silo
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What cpu can do 1080p 60fps medium x264 on obs at stock settings no overclock?

thick copper
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All depends on threads and cores?

pallid silo
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@thick copper for obs yes

thick copper
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Obs?

west willow
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for streaming?

thick copper
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I mean games

storm osprey
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obs is a streaming app

west willow
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No, I think obs is streaming software

thick copper
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I mean in games

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No streaming

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Can CPU bottleneck even when it's usage is 60+70%

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?

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60-70

west willow
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@pallid silo I don't really know what the minimum would be for that, but a ryzen 5 1600, 2600 or 3600 will all do the job I think

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@thick copper I think so, it can only do so many tasks at the same time. Even if those are slightly less demanding. More important: is the GPU maxed out or close?

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If the GPU usage seems low there could still be a bottleneck limiting it.

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That's what the BIOS looks like by the way

thick copper
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mine is white instead of red

latent light
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Radeon aiming for another 50% performance-per-watt jump between RDNA 1 and 2

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nice

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also CDNA architecture for compute

forest token
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zen 3 "late this year" 😦

prime jasper
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Q3

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Its like a fine wine, worth the wait

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Intel has nothing coming besides another house fire

iron raven
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why did they took my last tiger skin from me with the new update, even thought i grinded the single player mission to unlock it?

prime jasper
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Took it?

iron raven
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yea i had it unlocked and how i can no longer equip it

coarse nimbus
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Dice has altered the deal...pray they do not alter it further

latent light
prime jasper
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Thats a fatass claim to make, better be true then the race is on

latent light
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AMD presentation showed that RDNA2 will be a 50% performance-per-watt improvement over current RDNA1, which means the same jump between Polaris/Vega to Navi

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and current Navi only tops out to 225W TDP with the RX 5700XT, whereas Vega went to 300W and is slower than the 5700XT

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if AMD makes an RDNA card that goes to 300W, we will see a huge performance jump, and if they do the same with an RDNA2 card, we'd see more than double the performance of the 5700XT

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We already know AMD isn't scared to make 300W graphics cards

bleak arch
#

My graphic card can flyyyy

river wyvern
#

@latent light Why is the thumbnail has to add 6900XT into it lol

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I thought I missed something

latent light
#

lmao next gen Navi would probably be named RX 6000 series

latent light
#

interesting leak

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brings back that rumor we heard last year of there being 2 different Xbox Series X models on launch

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The graphics processor in the cheaper Xbox "Lockhart" will be 3x slower than the standard Xbox Series X, which should still be around 1.2x faster than the Xbox One X GPU, both models should have the same CPU

lost siren
#

#technology how to fix BFV for cutting out game audio so i need to restart the game to get it back...

have a new installed bf5 so and drivers are up-to-date as far as i know...

anyone that can help ?

river wyvern
#

Xbox Tifa confirmed

latent light
#

Next gen Navi GPU reference design was partially revealed

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No more blower design lol

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Vice President and General Manager of Radeon said so on Reddit lol

past parrot
#

They still haven't fixed the unlock bug 😦

#

Still can't play the Bren

storm osprey
#

i got my 5700 yesterday, im getting a lot of stutter at 1080p or 4k, but i do have it paired with a 4570

prime jasper
#

@past parrot ETA early next week.

past parrot
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ETA ?

prime jasper
#

They will have fixed it early next week, approx tuesday.

supple bane
#

You having driver issues at all @storm osprey

storm osprey
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its hard to tell considering i have 2 potential system problems

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old ass 4c4t cpu and 450w psu

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so i get stutters that could be caused by cpu, and my system has shut down, which could be psu

supple bane
#

Mmmmm

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Worrying tho, I'm just damn hoping I dont get any issues with my 5700xt

storm osprey
#

afaik 20.2.2 solved almost all the problems for a lot of people

supple bane
#

I'm not getting it till april, so I hope more bug fixes will role around

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Yeah it supposedly did

storm osprey
#

im not getting problems people reported before 20.2.2

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so i really do think my cpu is just ass and i shut down because i have a basic 450w bronze corsair psu

supple bane
#

Maybe

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Tdp of that card is upwards of 300w

storm osprey
#

recommended psu is 600w

supple bane
#

At peak at least

storm osprey
#

most people say get 500-550, a GOOD 450w can work

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but i dont have a good 450w

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so i cant really judge it atm...

supple bane
#

Could also just be teething problems, I've found new hardware usually crashes once or twice when it's out the box

storm osprey
#

true, but i tried it this morning again and same stutter

supple bane
#

Oh I'd say the stutter is a cpu bottleneck

storm osprey
#

same

supple bane
#

My school computers have better cpu's than that haHAA

storm osprey
#

might just upgrade my main pc so i can swap those parts to front room

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which slightly sucks because my 4970 at 1440p isnt doing bad at all

supple bane
#

My school uses a mix of i5 8400 and and i7 4790's

storm osprey
#

yeaaa.. my work pcs are better than my front room

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front room pc WAS just for casual games like jackbox party pack and towerfall ascension

supple bane
#

My school is an engineering school so its needed, lots of cad and cad rendering

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You should be cool and use 1 pc and run 2 VM'S face

storm osprey
#

i have no clue about virtual machines beyond guessing

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and i had to guess that VM is virtual machine

supple bane
#

yas

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its simple ngl

west willow
#

@storm osprey I rarely have stutters on the newest drivers. Paired with a 650W PSU and 6c12t though.

storm osprey
#

yea, im pretty sure my cpu is causing bad lows

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im just not 100% certain if the couple of shut offs i had were gpu or psu related

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likely psu

west willow
#

Used to have blackscreens on older drivers, but no complete shutdowns

supple bane
#

do you have a 5700xt? @west willow

west willow
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yes

supple bane
#

what cpu do you have ?

west willow
#

R5 3600

supple bane
#

and what fps do you get on bfv?

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try hard settings like

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i want to know how much fps im going to get when i get mine thats all

west willow
#

Dk exactly (fps counter is turned off), will take a look

supple bane
#

because the things ive seen have seen are mixed

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some getting more than others

thick copper
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perfoverlay.drawfps 1

west willow
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100-110fps (lowest I saw was 90) 1440p ultra on a random 16 player match

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Could be slightly less on conquest or operations

supple bane
#

110 on ultra !?!

west willow
#

I would say 100fps average

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DX11

supple bane
#

ok thanks man. i appriciate it !

west willow
#

np

storm osprey
#

3600 to 4600 will likely not be a jump in performance like 2600 to 3600 was right? since 2600 went from 12nm to 7nm and 4600 is more of a refresh like 1600 to 2600

prime jasper
#

I dont see why not

storm osprey
#

wtf does that mean?!

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do you think 4600 will be a "refresh"?

prime jasper
#

No, it's 7nm+ EUV

storm osprey
#

idk what that meaaaans

prime jasper
#

So a more significant upgrade than zen to zen+

storm osprey
#

but probably not a jump like 2000 to 3000?

prime jasper
#

Yeah probably not but who knows, AMD is rolling hard now

storm osprey
#

hmm

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ffs i hate getting new tech

supple bane
#

just waaiiiittt

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wait for shit to release

storm osprey
#

its at least like 6 months away though

prime jasper
#

Breh just upgrade now

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You can get the new cpu next year for cheap

storm osprey
#

im in a weird situation..

latent light
#

Won't see Ryzen 4000 until near the end of this year

storm osprey
#

im not really replacing the 4790

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i more want to upgrade my 4790 so i can trickle down the 4790 to my front room build that has a 4570...

prime jasper
#

Then do it

supple bane
#

bruv, get a b450 motherboard and a 3600

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done

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300 bucks

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gigabyte b450 aurous elite, kick ass board that doesnt break the bank

west willow
#

He'll need new memory and maybe a new power supply as well.

storm osprey
#

yea thats where im at, thinking of getting a 3600/mb and ram

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i had landed on this

west willow
#

looks good to me

storm osprey
#

3200mhz to 3600mhz is like a 10 dollar difference, but 3600 can get like 3-5 fps more, seems reasonable to me, but i was told its a waste of money

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idk many places you can spend 10 bucks more to get 5 fps more

latent light
marsh birch
#

@violet plank I seem to have "fixed" or at least made it so that my performance became much better

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according to this guide

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I think something that might have changed things is the fact that I set "Enable Threaded Optimization" to ON in nvidia panel settings

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it was on auto iir

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iirc

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And also i set all the effects like vignette, film grain, etc.. to off, and made some settings medium/low. Do you think messing with the threaded optimization is what improved things? Because in my case im not sure if changing the settings really do anything.

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I changed them nonetheless but im just wondering

prime jasper
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Turning off all those filters helped too

marsh birch
#

Hey killa

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You think so? I thought since me being in a low res, that making the settings lower didn't really impact anything

prime jasper
#

It can, games wierd like that

latent light
#

properly partition your HDD

marsh birch
#

Hmm

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lol

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Maybe theres other settings i can mess with in control panel?

prime jasper
#

You can mess with the "order a real monitor at your preferred online retailer" setting

storm osprey
#

good settings

west willow
#

@latent light So that isn't how you make a 250gb drive? Guess I was doing it wrong then.

storm osprey
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pfft no, thats not even close to 1/4 of the drive

west willow
#

So I need to cut the drive more evenly?

storm osprey
#

yep, equal distribution

west willow
#

Got it

storm osprey
#

thats like a 200gb drive

marsh birch
#

-.-

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some ppl are just naturally passive aggressive ig

violet plank
#

dunno about that thread setting

marsh birch
#

@violet plank Ohhh ill try that thanks

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Maybe ill mess with the settings a bit to make it after I copy this

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To see if i can improve CERTAIN graphics

ashen flax
#

yooo

#

i legit run the game at 960x540 with no anti aliasing and 70% screen resolution

mild bough
#

why

marsh birch
#

@ashen flax Specs? What fps u get?

ashen flax
#

gt 730
intel i5 2400
enough ram to run it without stutter (before the 8gb die)

prime jasper
#

I used to run on a gt 710 1 gig

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1600 x 900 50% res

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no stutter

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but now on a 980ti its like chalk and cheese

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was a bit blind on the 710

marsh birch
#

@ashen flax Really?? Disabling AA and screen resoultion made it that much better?

prime jasper
#

yeah can confirm screen res is the key to no stutter, even a difference between maps, al sundan ran fine at 67% but devastation was a stuttery mess at 67% would drop it to 50%

ashen flax
#

lowering screen res so i can actually see without reducing resolution scale

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reducing resolution scale litrally make me blind
atleast for me

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  • i dont have 1080 monitor and i dont care much about graphic
marsh birch
#

@prime jasper But the thing is, I heard that if you have an underpowered CPU but a good gpu, you should actually increase the screen res so that your system would rely on the GPU more than the cpu.

supple bane
#

yes that is a thing

marsh birch
#

Ohhh wait you mean res

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I was talking about resolutio nscale lol

supple bane
#

the higher up in resolution you go up the less load on the cpu

marsh birch
#

or were you..

supple bane
#

on 1080p my cpu is at around 70-90% at 1440p its 50%

marsh birch
#

Yeah

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Well I found that turning on threaded optimization may have helped

gloomy gyro
#

Which graphics settings depend on the GPU? I have a good rnough GPU, but my CPU is weaker

marsh birch
#

Same

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Well

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Im not too sure about that, its something im trying to figure out as well. When i turned off all the effects in basic settings that helped

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Do you get stutters?

gloomy gyro
#

Yeah

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When a lot is happening

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Turning off vsync helped a bit

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But then there is screen tearing

marsh birch
#

Set your max frame limiter to 200

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turn off gpu memory restriction

gloomy gyro
#

I have it at 144

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I have done that

marsh birch
#

Okay

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Then go to nvidia control panel

gloomy gyro
#

I have an amd card

marsh birch
#

ah

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hm

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1 sec

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Okay then try this @gloomy gyro

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Scroll down to where it shows the game settings

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Thats what helped me

gloomy gyro
#

I tried to lower resolution scaling, but that doesnt help

elder bane
#

@prime jasper I tried to ran it on 7750M laptop

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It went very wrong

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How you manage to run BFV on a 710 :yikes-1:

prime jasper
#

by making it as optimized as possible. besides which I am on a 980ti now, way better

prime jasper
#

Amd users i need help

supple bane
#

What's the issue?

green lintel
#

guys. i need your help

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i buy the case & rams & graphic card & processor & power supply & the hard disk 1TB & a water cooler , do i need something else ?

west willow
#

I assume you got a motherboard as well, can you put everything in a list? (PC partpicker is pretty handy)

green lintel
#

i3-9100F 3.60GHz
ASRock H310CM-DVS
Total 16GB - (2 x 8GB DDR4-2666 XPG GAMMIX D30)
AMD Radeon RX 560 2GB
240GB 2.5in SATA3 Burst SSD

molten coral
#

Honestly don't go for a i3 you really won't be able to play games smoothly....

green lintel
#

i just use my old processor

#

i will buy I7 or I5

west willow
#

What's your budget, an RX570 would be way better, especially for games like BF1 and BFV

green lintel
#

that why i buy it in the first place

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im noob in the computer parts

astral merlin
#

Other than getting a stronger CPU you should be okay

green lintel
#

what about the bottle neck ?

west willow
#

I would at least get an (maybe used) 8th gen (or 9th depending on local prices) i5, should have no problems on that mobo. Quad cores (like that i3) will stutter on BFV. It's still playable, but not recommend. Pair that with a RX570 or 580 (depending on the budget) and you should be good to go.

#

2gb of vram is on the low side (fine for lower settings though)

pallid silo
#

Is the 3700x to OP for a vega64 at 1440p? :p would a 2600 do it fine? :) (I dont video edit on this machine)

west willow
#

If you don't edit a 2600 would be fine, I use a 3600 with a 5700xt without problems. a 2600 isn't that much worse.

pallid silo
#

Ah okay!! :DD I have the 3700x in the pc atm but thinking about using that in my streaming PC instead of my 1700 in that xd

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I have lots of CPUs in my room lel

west willow
#

Yeah, I think that would be a good idea

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Update the BIOS first though, so it supports Zen 2

pallid silo
#

Awesome!! :D oh yeah xD in the future I'm looking to get a 2080 super then I could get a 3600

crude creek
#

uh wouldnt you want a better cpu to play the games with, and a lower end computer to stream it with

west willow
#

No, for gaming it's fine as long as the CPU doesn't bottleneck the GPU (So a 6c/12t CPU like a 2600 is great). For streaming and editing especially you would want a CPU with a lot of cores to save time and avoid stuttering.

supple bane
#

2600 is fine for most gpu's at 1440p. maybe not a 2080 super/2080ti. but anything below that it will perform just fine

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im going to be using my 2600 with a 5700xt in the coming months,

pallid silo
#

@supple bane nice!! :DD and then at 4k cpu doesnt really matter at all really :P

supple bane
#

no, no it doesnt

west willow
#

Obviously, your CPU still needs to be able to launch/run the game though, so no core duo : p

prime jasper
#

Hey anyone here faced black screen after installing gpu drivers

molten bramble
crude creek
#

@prime jasper are you using an AMD card

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with 2+ monitors?

prime jasper
#

@crude creekyup but only 1 monitor

crude creek
#

uhmm

#

idk how to help there, welp

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my best guess is to turn off cross fire in the radeon thing

supple bane
#

ive been seeing a lot of things about amd gpu's and 2 monitors

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does it cause instabilty ?

crude creek
#

well it happened to my dad he was installing radeon drivers and we spent the whole 2 days figuring out why a second monitor wouldnt work

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we had 2 gpus on

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so i guess it auto turned on cross fire in the drivers, but they cancled crossfire or whatever

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thats my only guess right now, but what he ended up going was uninstalling the gpu drivers at all

summer warren
#

Well wish she/he did abit more info than my screen went black after gpu driver install...

trim tiger
#

So why does the game still run like arse? I have a Ryzen 9 3950X, 8GB of 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM and an RTX 2080 Super.

supple bane
#

because you have 8gb of ram

opaque saddle
#

people like you usually gets min 16GB of ram

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more likely be 32gb on similar setups

prime jasper
#

yeah not sure why youd get a 16 core only to cheap out on ram lol

opaque saddle
#

get another 8gb of the same model ram will be fine. i hoped its a 8gb stick, not 4gb x2

supple bane
#

if he has a 4 slot motherboard he can buy another 2x4 set and fill every slot

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and with those specs i should damn well assume his motherboard has 4 ram slots

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so id say your fine

west willow
#

I have 4 slots, so I'm sure he has 4 as well. Would need to cheap out as much on the mobo as on the ram to only have 2.

supple bane
#

if its 1 stick of ram, id be supprised if he got 60fps tbh

sinful mantle
#

i can remember when you absolutely needed 128Mb ram....when will we need 128Gb? Some of these new boards have 128Gb capacity?

#

new tech starting to scare my ass

supple bane
#

bruv, new boards can have more than 2tb of ram haHAA

sinful mantle
#

damn!

west willow
#

I don't even want to know how much ram some supercomputers and servers have.

sinful mantle
#

im saving up now for a super PC for bf6

supple bane
sinful mantle
#

scary shit man

supple bane
#

no the scary thing is that we will find a use for it

sinful mantle
#

indeed thats the scary part.

west willow
#

For some reason '8gb is enough' seems like yesterday

sinful mantle
#

yeah

supple bane
#

for most of the cases a pc is used, its plenty

#

lets be fair. the most common place a pc is used is a family who need something to look at emails and cat videos with

#

gaming pc's are a small portion of pc's in general

sinful mantle
#

yeah but im seeing more commercials on tv about norms gaming

west willow
#

For watching cat videos you might even get away with 4gb, although windows 10 will use it all.

sinful mantle
#

but most likely consoles

#

hahahah 4 gig ram for kitty vids...thats hilarious

#

have you guys seen those thumb drive size COMPUTERS?

#

sorry caps

west willow
#

Yes, somebody tried to run games on it

sinful mantle
#

just usb them to a tv or display

supple bane
#

i mean. my dads pc has my old i5 using its onboard graphics and a single stick of 8gb and i was playing indie games on it np

sinful mantle
#

hahaha....well hell sooner or later that will happen

west willow
sinful mantle
#

yeah thats one ^

#

not bad for a portable unit

#

im actually thinking of getting one

west willow
#

For basic use it looks quite handy

sinful mantle
#

you can snag one for around 100 pounds

#

yeah it does

#

nice for a backup as well

west willow
#

Just plug it in a monitor or tv and you're good to go

sinful mantle
#

or for maybe streaming shows or music

#

yep

#

hes playing half-life 2 on the thing....lol

west willow
#

It isn't even a low power i5 or 3, just an atom

sinful mantle
#

yeah thats the amazing part

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one of these days PCs will be obsolete....probably we will be using component parts like the old stereo systems....just "daisy chain" all the parts together.....separate master cpu...with a dedicated graphics box, audio, telepathy...etc...all set in a closet or some out of the way space....you need more power?...you just add another component

#

with cloud storage along with

supple bane
#

nah

#

and there is 1 reason for that

#

nerds!

#

like us

sinful mantle
#

hahahah....for real

supple bane
#

there is a demand for people to build and tinker with computers

sinful mantle
#

we rule the economy

supple bane
#

where there is demand. there is supply

#

so as long as there is nerds, pc's will stay around

west willow
#

Enthusiasts are the main reason desktops are still alive on the consumer market

sinful mantle
#

its kinda like the advent of automobiles before they became commoditized.

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you know like they all became similar.

#

back in the old auto days people had to have more than a bsic knowlege of engine systems much like with PCs now

lofty lake
#

my origin is telling me that i dont have bfv installed

#

need help

#

is origin broken again?

sinful mantle
#

ill open mine now

#

origin opened ok so far and see some friends playing....

lofty lake
#

hmmm

sinful mantle
#

bfv loading

supple bane
#

try repair game files

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might have a corrupted file

lofty lake
#

cant repair it if its not installed WeSmart

sinful mantle
#

im in game

supple bane
#

well

#

i dont know what to suggest

sinful mantle
#

well then let origin load it fresh

supple bane
#

try relog onto origin

sinful mantle
#

youn own it

lofty lake
#

my ssd seems to be fine

sinful mantle
#

if you go to purchase it ...origin will tell you that you own it...then try installing from there

supple bane
#

go to the file directory of where bfv should be and make sure the files are present

lofty lake
#

they are

supple bane
#

errrrr

#

seems like an issue for the big guns

#

!!support

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lofty lake
#

@sinful mantle just did that, now the game is downloading again

#

hmm one more idea

#

i dropped the game folder on my desktop and started the download again. paused it and putted it back in

#

now its checking my game files, slowly....

arctic cove
sinful mantle
#

wonder what the glitch was

#

you were playing fine last night

lofty lake
#

yep

sinful mantle
#

anyway i was in game for awhile no probs

#

so its local

lofty lake
#

i hope it works again after repairing, 4mb/s :/

sinful mantle
#

it will im confidant

sinful mantle
#

hows it going so far?

lofty lake
#

still repairing

sinful mantle
#

good deal

#

gonna eat ill be back shortly

lofty lake
#

👍

reef ermine
#

Man battlefield 3 is a lot fun even though I haven’t played it in a month. Kinda got used it to playing 7 years straight

lament sparrow
#

If there is a hacker, do i just give you guys the user name then you'll do all the magic?

lofty lake
#

you report them on origin

supple bane
#

a.) what he said
b.) no, you cant just ban someone because someone on the internet said they are hacking. have you seen the amount of people who call out cheaters just based on them being better players ?

#

yesterday i came across an obvious lewis gun spinbotter type of hacker, i reported them and left, today my first round on i came across the same guy

#

so its a slow process

lofty lake
#

looks like the game is working again, thanks for the help @supple bane @sinful mantle ✌️

lament sparrow
#

ok then

sinful mantle
#

nice glad for you

#

looks like we be jammin again ...heh-heh

#

gonna go to the store and brb if your up for it

lofty lake
#

sure!

sinful mantle
#

cool cool

prime jasper
#

I bought amd rx 560 4gb graphics card,i setup this into my pc then install its drivers.Now after a while my screen become blank or some time white after a while .whats that anyone know how to fix this problem.i reinstalled my drivers but still facing that issue.Guys anyone here faced this problem help me

west willow
#

What was your previous card?, did you clean it's drivers?

prime jasper
#

@west willowi installed new os

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So no need to clean

supple bane
#

have you contacted AMD yet?

west willow
#

I have no idea what it could be, does it get enough power? (probably yes, as it only needs a 400-450W PSU) I would contact AMD like Granty says.

supple bane
#

its a faulty card

#

period

prime jasper
#

@supple banei tried that card in my friend pc working fine

#

I have 450 psu

supple bane
#

cool

#

but have you contacted amd ?

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because i dont have a clue what it is. and if anybody does. it will be the people who make the damn thingg

prime jasper
#

How to contact amd i am noob dude

#

😋

supple bane
#

01276 932318

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or call that number

prime jasper
#

Done

#

I fill up the form

#

Tell them everything

#

Hopefully they will reply soon

brazen oracle
#

bruh

river wyvern
#

I bet that his card has Miner BIOS

#

If he bought it second hand

odd mason
#

Will i still get banned for playing bf5 on Linux?

drifting hare
#

i posted this in the wrong chat before but uh i have a quick question. has anyone else gotten some nasty input lag after the 6.2 update? it was fine for me on launch but yesterday it became 100% unplayable for me. i've searched up videos and everything but nothing has fixed it. don't have the problem in other games

river wyvern
#

You have good framerates?

drifting hare
#

yeah between 90 and 144FPS (map depending)

#

but this input lag seems to happen on every map. and it gets to point where i can't even turn around aim or stop walking

storm osprey
#

@river wyvern what gpu?

drifting hare
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mines a GTX 1060 6gb

hollow pagoda
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After the 6.2 update, I have not been able to get my after game status such as the summary and scoreboard, please give a way to fix

river wyvern
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@hollow pagoda They gonna fix it in Tuesday

storm osprey
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@hollow pagoda yea what youre gonna want to do is wait till they fix it

thick copper
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Hey i have a problem

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My computer is in boot loop

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CPU debug lights and dram are flashing

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And pc shutdown

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And then again

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And again

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I tried pulling out gpu

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And it does it still

prime jasper
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what else have you changed lately?

thick copper
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Gpu

prime jasper
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did you try swapping the old one in

thick copper
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Yes

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Nothing changes

prime jasper
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try hard resetting the bios either with jumper pins or a button on your mobo

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idk what you have, the instructions would be in the mobo manual

thick copper
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How to do with jumper pins

prime jasper
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the instructions would be in the mobo manual

thick copper
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Don't have

prime jasper
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find it online

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itd be on the mobo support site

thick copper
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...

west willow
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Normally it's near the CMOS battery

thick copper
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How do I short jbat

west willow
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You either use a jumper cap or try very carefully with a small flathead screwdriver

thick copper
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How do I do this

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I just short it for a second

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While unplugged power?

west willow
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Yes, for 5-10s

thick copper
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Do I need special

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Screwdriver?

west willow
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a flathead that fits should do the trick, if you didn't get a jumper cap with your mobo

thick copper
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Okay

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Do I this this

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And

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Its working

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But

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My monitor can't detect signal

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Gpu is light

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The logo

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But doesn't work

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Okay it works

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Thank you guys

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Oh my god

west willow
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I guess it just took a while

thick copper
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I was shitting myself

west willow
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after resetting

thick copper
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Ye

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It reboot ed itself few times

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Woah

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What happened

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?

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What I did wrong

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That after resetting bios it works

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?

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I am kinda scared to touch my pc now

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And my old gpu is in

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I'm scared to put in my new

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Plz help

west willow
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Idk, same happened to me once. PC wouldn't boot properly, removed the battery to reset and it worked.

thick copper
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Should I put new GPU

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To see if that was the problem?

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I'm not sure

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What to do now

west willow
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Normally after wiping the old drivers things go fine for me. Either that or something was set wrong in the BIOS. Don't think it's a faulty card.

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Don't really have a clue though.

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You could try again, I guess

thick copper
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Wait

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I forgot

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To uninstall drivers

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Before plugging new

west willow
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Use DDU, especially when switching from AMD to nvidea or the other way around. Don't know if it will help, but you could try

thick copper
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Could it be

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That I didn't uninstall old gpu drivers?

latent light
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yes

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@thick copper download the drivers for your 1660 Super, don't install them yet, then download DDU and use it (click the safe mode option)

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once DDU turns your PC off, turn back on and install 1660S driver, recommend unchecking the GeForce Experience box in the install because GeForce is a bit of bloatware

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keep it checked if you want to use Shadowplay, Ansel or the thing that automatically sets graphics settings for you in games

crude osprey
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Whoever helped me a while back with my "bfv crashes to desktop immediately on launch" issue, thank you!

It didn't take me this long, I finally decided to try and figure it out yesterday. Somehow some of the game files ended up on my C drive, which is OS only plus a few peripheral utilities, instead of on my game drive. After deleting them all and reinstalling game runs fine now

thick copper
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@latent light everything works after resetting bios

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still dont know why my pc couldnt boot

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and was stuck at loop

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and bios reset helped

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thats a mystery for me

latent light
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Quote from paper PDF, acknowledgements section: "Additional funding was provided by generous gifts from Intel."
Intel funding a study that researches AMD vulnerabilities

storm osprey
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lol they gotta find something one AMD with all the flaws intel has

latent light
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massive grain of salt for these rumored PS5 specs

prime jasper
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Welp, I must resort to the discord.

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My damn games been stuck on the loading screen for over a week now.

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After I hit the “select profile” option on Xbox one, it just sits there never to load

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I’ve restarted

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Deleted and re downloaded

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And bought a new disk

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Any ideas?

storm osprey
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youve left it on a loading screen for a whole week?

prime jasper
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Nah, lol. It’s just been doing it for a week

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Bad wording on my part

opaque saddle
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It’s more like a 285w system

lofty light
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@latent light 16GB of DDR6 and 4GB DDR4 Yikes

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I call incredible BS

latent light
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that's actually the most believable part

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if they put 12GB GDDR5 in an Xbox One X 3 years ago, I wouldn't doubt next gen would have 16GB GDDR6

lofty light
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👀

opaque saddle
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4gb ddr4 for streaming and background tasks?

latent light
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reserved for system

opaque saddle
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yeah thats right, that’s basically for background programs

latent light
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@prime jasper don't contact AMD, contact the manufacturer

prime jasper
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@latent light AMD replied me

latent light
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what are your issues with it

latent light
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Intel 10th gen CPUs revealed, Intel pointlessly changing the socket again

lofty light
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@latent light I love how the new supercomputer being planned with Zen 3 is called El Capitan and is replacing Sierra haHAA what's the bet the next one will be Yosemite, then Mavericks...

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Maybe they'll eventually make it to the golden age of Snow Leopard.