@sour ivy i7-6700k
#technology
exotic zephyr
latent light
@exotic zephyr CPU bottleneck
BF5 is a core intensive game
then again, it could also be just the ram
but that all depends if you have single channel or dual channel
and 8GB or 16GB
exotic zephyr
I would love to have the RAM in dual channel mode but my mainboard refuses to work if I do that...only works when I have one module in slot 3 and one in slot 4... I got 2x16GB
Also a couple months ago the game worked just fine and I was even able to play on Ultra settings with 140FPS
latent light
so you have a motherboard with 4 DIMM slots
exotic zephyr
yes
latent light
and from going left to right, you have the ram sticks in the 3rd and 4th slot?
exotic zephyr
yes
latent light
it's supposed to be the 2nd and 4th slot for dual channel
exotic zephyr
I know but when I try that, my PC starts up, runs for 2 seconds and then turns off again
latent light
you have 16GB sticks, 6th gen Intel CPUs had some of the worst Memory Controllers to ever exist
2x8GB would work a lot better
exotic zephyr
except I dont have those lmao
exotic zephyr
Oof... then I guess I'll just replace the cpu and mainboard in a couple of months
exotic zephyr
3000
latent light
6th gen Intel could only support 2400 max
exotic zephyr
I know the 6700k can only handle 2133
latent light
but I'm sure you have it set to 2133 or 2400
exotic zephyr
even if I do, it only makes things worse
latent light
at least you got ram that can work well with new gen CPU integrated memory controllers
but that 6700K and Z170 motherboard I assume are holding you back
exotic zephyr
yeah, z170a gaming m5 from msi
latent light
ah shit after doing research, 6700K is only specified to run 2133 out of box lmao
2400 only achievable through overclock
exotic zephyr
yeah i know
latent light
3000 almost impossible
exotic zephyr
but when i underclock the ram to 2133, then my pc performs even worse
latent light
yeah it's because the IMC of the CPU can't handle running two 16GB sticks in dual channel
if you had two 8GB sticks it would work
imo Intel shouldn't have released 6th gen and just waited until they optimized it
because 7th gen had WAY better memory support
lofty light
6th gen was late as it is though
exotic zephyr
the worst part is, i dont even have warranty anymore for my mainboard or RAM, so I cant replace those through that
though I could still try to replace the cpu
lofty light
I mean after Broadwell they NEEDED to release something new
latent light
imo 4790K was better than the 6700K
lofty light
That's true tho
latent light
could clock a lot higher
lofty light
Couldn't support the new stuff and ddr4 was the selling points
latent light
DDR4 was shit when it came out
exotic zephyr
I got less than 3 months of warranty left for the cpu, if I were to replace it, which one would you recommend for a 1151 socket?
lofty light
I had x99 
latent light
CL17 timings at 2133 MHz was awful man
lofty light
Got to have ddr4 with Haswell
exotic zephyr
always worth a try
latent light
you can only replace a 6700K with another 6700K lmao
lofty light
You can get a 7700K though
exotic zephyr
sometimes the store gives me back my money if something isn't working as it should be, so I could buy another cpu with 400€
latent light
7700K would require a BIOS update
exotic zephyr
my mainboard has the newest bios
lofty light
Do that before returning the old 
latent light
you can only find a 7700K used I bet
lofty light
Wouldn't want new anyway imo
latent light
I wouldn't even get a 7700K at all lmao
latent light
just get a $140 2600X + $80 B450 motherboard
no fuck that
7700K shouldn't even be $100 imo
exotic zephyr
then recommend me a proper 1151 cpu
latent light
it's outdated in terms of core count
you can' use any 1151 CPU
Intel limits generations
exotic zephyr
i7-9700k is 1151?
latent light
you can only use 6th gen and 7th gen Intel CPUs on a Z170 motherboard
exotic zephyr
oof
latent light
no you would need a new motherboard
LGA 1151 socket doesn't support all 1151 CPUs
it's a scummy tactic by Intel but motherboard manufacturers do need to make money too
AMD socket supports 4 generations, Intel only 2 generations
exotic zephyr
the sockets seem to be the exact same though for both 6700k and 9700k
latent light
that's why it can confuse people
look
you can buy a Ryzen 5 2600X and B450 motherboard together for like $220
which is cheaper than the 7700K alone lmfao
exotic zephyr
a website just told me that my mainboard supports the 9700k *visible confusion *
exotic zephyr
game debate
exotic zephyr
well what if I buy a ~100€ z390 mainboard and replace the 6700k with a 9700k?
exotic zephyr
yes but i still got warranty for the cpu
exotic zephyr
it worked for me once with expensive headphones lmao
latent light
CPUs aren't headphones
exotic zephyr
the headphones had like 4-5 months of warranty left and they gave me a voucher with the amount i spent for it and i just bought another one with it
latent light
if you try to replace your 6700K, they will give you another 6700K
because a 6700K is not a 9700K
entirely different product
exotic zephyr
actually the 6700k is more expensive than the 9700k, are you sure they wouldn't just give me the cheaper cpu?
latent light
also, you can't just replace your CPU because you want to, it has to die or become defective
exotic zephyr
I'll see what I can do
latent light
in your situation, just buy a Ryzen 5 2600X and a ASRock B450M Pro4
they are only $220 together
exotic zephyr
I'll have to pass on that though 😂
exotic zephyr
I'm not a big fan of AMD, only had issues with their cpus in the past
latent light
they flipped their company around
they are innovating the CPU market
4 cores were mainstream in early 2017 until Ryzen came out and made 8 cores mainstream and made Intel panic very hard
exotic zephyr
nah sorry I'll see what I can do to replace this cpu through warranty and if it doesn't work out, then I'll just save up a little and buy the cpu and mainboard myself
latent light
now Intel is struggling to even stay relevant in the CPU market
exotic zephyr
I'm way too uncomfortable with AMD 😩
latent light
AMD is out selling Intel 3:1 right now
exotic zephyr
good for them?
latent light
don't know why anyone stays on 1 brand because of old problems
exotic zephyr
habits
latent light
I mean, Intel is forcing you to make a motherboard upgrade despite it still being the LGA 1151 socket
doesn't that sound anti-consumer
prime jasper
It sounds like you're desperate to get someone away from Intel ;p
It's really preference based.
I also wouldn't say AMD is out-selling Intel because a boat load of Intel's profits comes from Xeon processors, too - keep that in mind.
The Intel Xeon Platinum 8180 is the best on the market for server processing atm
prime jasper
Lol no it's not. None of the Epyc processors come close to Xeon Platinums.
latent light
Epyc 7742 has 64 cores, 128 threads at only 225W tdp and 256MB L3 cache for only $7,600
prime jasper
As someone who has heavy investments into dedicated servers, I can tell you right now Epyc is not taking back the market 😂
latent light
Intel has the upcoming Xeon 9282 with 56 cores, 112 threads at a whopping 400W tdp and 77Mb L3 cache for fucking $25,000
prime jasper
My dedicated servers are running Xeon E5s from one of the largest hosting companies in the world.
prime jasper
Those are benchmarks, not marketshares bud.
latent light
have you seen the marketshare gain of Epyc?
exotic zephyr
prime jasper
There is virtually none. I'm telling you right now, as someone who has heavy investments into dedicated servers across multiple companies, Xeons are still leading by a huge margin.
The upgrades said companies are doing are still Intel.
Not AMD.
latent light
you know Google, Facebook and Twitter are heavily investing into Epyc
3 of some of the biggest companies in the world
exotic zephyr
and yet using xeons for their servers lmao
latent light
you don't follow the news do you
prime jasper
Since when is the news always right.
Do I need to link you to 5+ bare metal hosting companies running Xeons?
latent light
Epyc will have more marketshare than Xeon by next year
prime jasper
No it won't lol.
prime jasper
Only $100?
latent light
you underestimate the growth that Epyc is taking right now
prime jasper
I just don't think it's as significant as you say it is.
If it is, please provide sales links to at least three major server hosting providers. By major I mean leading companies in the server hosting market.
latent light
AMD marketshare in servers has grown 400% in 1 year
prime jasper
Where are you getting your information
latent light
plus you also have these new Epyc CPUs that have more compute power at half the power consumption
performance per watt is the deciding factor in servers
prime jasper
I just gave you the financial results for quarter 1 from both companies. Intel is leading by 15 billion.
latent light
that's quarter 1 lmao
prime jasper
So you're telling me you expect AMD's sales to skyrocket from 1 billion to 16 in only one quarter?
That'd be impressive as fuck, however extremely unplausible.
exotic zephyr
^^^
prime jasper
The hardware doesn't matter as much as you think it does.
What @exotic zephyr said. He isn't comfortable with AMD. Neither is a huge majority of hosting providers for their server processors.
History shows that.
Also the hardware and prices can be good for price for performance value, but the company sales publicized by themselves shows that Intel is in a HUGE lead.
latent light
Intel is in a huge lead because they've had that advantage for over a decade, AMD is making a comeback
exotic zephyr
I’ve had AMD cpus many years ago and only had issues with them, from that I learned that AMD is always the inferior and that burned itself into my mind, also intel cpus have always been more stable and had more support in my eyes
prime jasper
It's really not though lol.
Also same @exotic zephyr
lmao
Nothing but issues until I switched to my 8700K
exotic zephyr
Same
latent light
didn't have issues with Fx-8350 or my current Ryzen 5 1600
prime jasper
The fact of the matter is, your argument is kind of far-fetched especially where you expect AMD to make a 15 billion comeback in only one financial quarter, let alone one year.
Their only likeliness of getting a comeback that strong would be to sell their newer processors to world governments for super computing.
exotic zephyr
Back when I was a technician at a college, I’ve had many computers there that I had to repair and they had AMD cpus less than a year old that just gave up on life while there were computers with intel cpus (intel core duo e8500) that were 10+ years old and ran smoother and without issues
latent light
don't really see why you would defiantly refuse to look beyond a weirdly obstinate purview
exotic zephyr
The computers at the college had ryzen processors that straight up died after 6 months of usage
exotic zephyr
It still won’t change my mind 🤷
latent light
there is no doubt that AMD has a brighter future than Intel
prime jasper
That's odd because the article I just linked said Intel
lmao
I really don't think they do lmao
One area where AMD seems to be constantly failing is graphics cards.
NVIDIA supersedes them by the billions as well.
And probably always will.
latent light
yeah that's because Nvidia has 10x the employee workforce in the GPU market
prime jasper
Intel has 10x the employee workforce lol.
Intel has 107,000 employees. AMD has 10,000.
Lmao
latent light
AMD only has less than $2 billion of R&D budget per year to use on both CPU and Radeon division, which has to be shared between each other
prime jasper
Well there's a mistake.
prime jasper
LOL that won't happen.
Intel is like best buddies with NVIDIA.
That won't ever happen.
latent light
no they aren't
prime jasper
Yes they are 😂
exotic zephyr
latent light
Intel has had lots of dispute with Nvidia
hell, there was a time where Intel almost dropped support for Nvidia cards on their platform
I don't see why you think Intel and Nvidia are friends
prime jasper
I am curious to see Intel's GPU next year.
latent light
where's the source
prime jasper
Where's your source that Epycs are dominating the market 😂
latent light
they are gaining more market share, Intel is declining
prime jasper
That's factually false.
latent light
companies are making the switch to AMD
prime jasper
Where's your source?
prime jasper
exotic zephyr
guys, let's stop the fighting please
prime jasper
Google, Facebook, and Twitter are not sources. We're not fighting either, we're having a civil debate.
latent light
prime jasper
My source that AMD is not gaining more marketshare is the fact that Intel's published profits have a 15 billion lead in overall sales over AMD.
exotic zephyr
latent light
prime jasper
I'm just seeing "potential".
exotic zephyr
I'ma play minecraft but keep an eye on this chat
prime jasper
That still leaves your claim that they have more marketshare unvalidated.
If they had more marketshare Google and Twitter would've already moved over.
latent light
prime jasper
Still doesn't support your claim on leading marketshare.
Meanwhile Intel has a 15 billion lead over AMD according to quarter 1.
14% is nothing when there's 15 billion at stake xD
latent light
didn't say leading market share, I said Epyc was gaining market share, Intel is declining
prime jasper
Where's your source that Intel is declining in sales?
Because their net profits are the same as last years according to their financial status.
AMD actually lost some money in sales.
Oof.
Down from 1.76 billion to 1.53 billion.
Operating expenses up by $63 million
prime jasper
No
latent light
one thing that's hurting AMD is that they don't invest enough into the mobile market
laptops and stuff
prime jasper
and they invest too much into graphics cards lol.
If they put all of their profits towards CPU development, that could be something,
but I do gotta say I don't like AMD's naming schemes. Ryzen is ok, but Epyc sounds dorky.
Intel has a very simplistic naming scheme / model number scheme.
latent light
they're both equal in those regards
prime jasper
Not really.
Comet Lake sounds baller.
Although I guess it's just opinion at that point.
latent light
I mean does Intel Xeon Platinum 9282 ring a bell
prime jasper
Xeon Platinum is a pretty cool name lol
It has a futuristic ring to it. Xeon. So does Ryzen. Epyc and Rome do not sound hip and funk XD
prime jasper
Why would they release a product under a code name just for the name to be changed later
reeee
latent light
you don't actually name the products "Rome"
just call them Epyc 7742 or Epyc 7702
like you would say Xeon 9282 or Xeon 8180
latent light
i9-10900X
exotic zephyr
so, @latent light you're saying my cpu is a bottleneck for bf5?
prime jasper
No no, the i9-10900KF
latent light
i9-10900KFC
prime jasper
(K) Overclock Ready, (F) No internal graphics.
latent light
@exotic zephyr yes your i7-6700K actually bottlenecks your overkill ram
prime jasper
What RAM does he have?
latent light
he's got Corsair Dominator 2x16GB 3000 MHz
exotic zephyr
but please explain me that i am still supposed to be having 120-140FPS on 1080p with ultra settings
prime jasper
oof yeah that's a bit out of style
latent light
6th gen Intel will struggle with 16GB sticks
just saying
6th gen Intel had terrible IMC
much improved with 7th gen
exotic zephyr
prime jasper
Just get an 8700K or save your pennies for the i9 10th gen KF
latent light
idk why you think returning your 6700K will let you get a 9700K in return still lmao
returning your 6700K will just give you another 6700K
exotic zephyr
you never know
latent light
also, you can only get an RMA on a defective product
you send it back to them and they test it
if it's fine, they send it back and make you pay for shipping
prime jasper
Here's a hint, take some jumper cables, put them on your CPU, attach cables to car battery.
Congrats your CPU is now defective
exotic zephyr
lmao
latent light
I'll upgrade my R5 1600 into a 3600 soon
prime jasper
Anyways I have to go to bed. Can't wait to get up tomorrow morning and watch the Area 51 raid.
exotic zephyr
it's the 20th for me already
prime jasper
cya guys l8er
latent light
it's 20th already
exotic zephyr
take care
latent light
raid should already be happening
latent light
bye
exotic zephyr
well, time to go back to bf3-4 then until i can afford a new cpu
i can't play with 40-50FPS on medium settings
latent light
you really don't wanna buy a R5 2600 for like $130 and a decent B450 motherboard for $80 and be done with it?
exotic zephyr
no
latent light
it performs pretty well in BF5
always above 100 fps
well, the game's optimization is shit so fps even drops on the highest end hardware available
even famous battlefield youtubers like jackfrags and levelcap with $3000+ builds get stutter and fps drops
exotic zephyr
yes but i get constant 40-50fps on medium settings
even though I'm supposed to have 120+
exotic zephyr
that still doesnt change the fact that i am supposed to have 120+fps
latent light
like I said, either downgrade ram to 2x8GB or get a new CPU and motherboard
2x8GB ram can be found for $60
exotic zephyr
but can you explain me how i had 120+fps a couple months ago and now i can't even get over 60?
exotic zephyr
i did troubleshoot, a lot
latent light
have you tried to repair the game
latent light
do you play other games
exotic zephyr
yes
latent light
issues with them?
exotic zephyr
with some, yes
latent light
well damn
exotic zephyr
and they also were working fine before this
exotic zephyr
i reinstalled windows less tan a week ago, battlefield and the other games worked fine for 1 day and then i had the same issues
exotic zephyr
january
latent light
ok maybe not
latent light
I find that hardware can have certain issues but still pass benchmarks fine
exotic zephyr
gimme a sec to find the link
latent light
you said putting the 1st ram stick into the 2nd slot made it to where you couldn't boot into windows?
exotic zephyr
if i put the ram in any slot other than 3 and 4, my pc won't even boot
here's my benchmark of last week
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20062927
and here's my benchmark from 3 days ago
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20205070
exotic zephyr
sorry the first link was wrong
latent light
exotic zephyr
take a look at those benchmarks
latent light
yeah it even says your ram is fucked
"ensure that a dual channel XMP BIOS profile is enabled"
exotic zephyr
yeah, i ran a memtest though and the ram is fine
latent light
yeah the ram is okay but your CPU or motherboard just isn't letting it perform as it should
exotic zephyr
😫
latent light
most likely just the IMC of the CPU
exotic zephyr
still doesnt explain me why my pc wont boot with dual channel mode
is it the cpu or the mainboard?
latent light
because 6th gen Intel CPUs have awful memory support
you should of got 2x8GB instead
lofty light
Wait, weren't you guys talking about this exact subject like over an hour ago?
lofty light
It wasn't Bitcoin that wrecked the dram market
exotic zephyr
then why did the ram skyrocket when the bitcoin stuff happened?
lofty light
Blame the iPhone 8/10
exotic zephyr
my ram went from 250€ to 500€ in a couple of days
lofty light
That's what killed it tbh
latent light
because of demand for mobile phones that needed DDR4 memory chips
exotic zephyr
exotic zephyr
every once in a while i am doing some photoshopping and video editing
latent light
still not a big difference
exotic zephyr
one sec, i can tell you what the LED on my mainboard is saying when I try to boot in dual channel
I believe it was 19 55 4C 00 0D but I'm not 100% sure, some of those codes are shown for a fraction of a second while others are shown for a full second
I get that error code whenever I put my RAM into other slots or try to run it in dual channel
lofty light
You need at least 32GB to f l e x though
exotic zephyr
lemme look
no, mine is compatible
one sec..
oh, i looked at the same ram but 2x8GB
yeah, seems like the 2x16 isn't compatible, odd
heck
well, you guys helped me more than the intel+nvidia+msi support together lmao
latent light
@exotic zephyr well I knew something was wrong when you said you had a 6700K and 2x16GB ram
16GB ram sticks weren't available when the 6700K came out, at least for the consumer market
exotic zephyr
oh well
latent light
you can buy 2x8GB for cheap right now if you want a quick fix
exotic zephyr
yeah but right now i dont have money for that
latent light
oh
exotic zephyr
that's why I'd have to save up first
latent light
I want to buy a Ryzen 5 3600 but that deal on facebook earlier I saw for a R7 2700X at $120 is too tempting
it's either 6 cores/12 threads and 10% faster single core performance for $200
or 8 cores/16 threads for $120
exotic zephyr
violet plank
stop with this nonsense of more than 16gig are useless for gaming,it's enough but IF you have more there are already games including BFV which are using over 16gigs of ram
sour ivy
I’ve never seen my Bfv use nearly that
supple bane
yeah 16 GB is enough for gaming isuni
violet plank
i don't say it's not enough,just play bfv with more,like 32gigs,you will see it using more than 16gigs of ram
and ofc it does not get you any advantage
yet
dev kits of the the next gen consoles already use 20+gig ram
elder reef
In France and maybe the EU, too, the courts ruled that you can resell games purchased on Steam, similar to selling hard copies from the store/online.
sour ivy
So dumb lmao
quartz whale
near canopy
lofty light
Also @violet plank no there's no way BFV on its own is using more than 16gb of ram. If it's chrome though, that's another story...
violet plank
@lofty light only progs running origin and bfv
btw with 16 gigs installed is uses 4-5 gigs less
frostbite has been coded to death i guess
oh,and i tested that usage on a clean win install
lofty light
I've got 32 and BFV definitely doesn't use that much
violet plank
weird
on 32gig it starts on around 10-12 gig,maxes out in the first game at about 16.3x gig,sometimes falls back to 15.x but not more
win ver 1903,no difference if intel or amd platform,no matter what kind of system power options or any kind of OC on any parts
how much ram does windows use when you fresh start up without opening any progs @lofty light ?around 6 gigs here
btw 50 chrome tabs use less than 1gig
but i use pi hole anyways
lofty light
6 GBs for base windows? 👀 I mean mine uses that with my 4gb ram disk
But the chrome thing was a joke 😛
violet plank
yeah,it's a lot,can't figure out why atm,but on the other hand,that ram is there to be used lol
if i fire up some editing stuff my ram usage is 99% anyways 😛
my pagefile is pretty small,maybe that's a reason,but no time to test that atm
warm gorge
party in gerneral ^^
supple bane
?
violet plank
anyone ever had a faulty sata cable ?
latent light
yes
molten coral
Yes
timid abyss
My computer still doesn't work
lofty light
Rip
timid abyss
Yeah. No idea what is wrong either
Like, I've put in a different motherboard, power supply, power cord, and GPU (mind you everything but the power suply is old parts that we have)
lofty light
Not turning on at all, as in no power?
timid abyss
Yeah
I could've wired the power button to the motherboard wrong, but we don't have the manual
Just looked up the manual. I hooked them up right
lofty light
Could be the CPU I guess
timid abyss
That's a different one aswell
lofty light
But overall with 0 output at all I'd normally guess psu or mobo
molten coral
@timid abyss Just go to a local hardware store and let them check it out. 99% of the time they will find the problem in a couple of hours
timid abyss
Problem. We A. Don't have any money. B. I'm not 16+, so I can't drive
latent light
@timid abyss what are your specs
timid abyss
Old or new
latent light
all of them
timid abyss
Old : CPU: AMD fx 4300 quad core processor
GPU: msi Nvidia GT 730
Ram: 8 gbs DDR3
Motherboard: no idea
New : CPU: AMD something (sorry. Don't know)
GPU: EVGA Geforce GTX 960
Ram: 8 gbs DDR3
Motherboard: msi 970A-G46
@latent light
latent light
you running windows 10?
timid abyss
It might be the motherboard, which isn't suprising
latent light
or something isn't inserted correctly
timid abyss
No, this stuff is like 5 years old, they're not "new" parts
latent light
yeah could be dead
timid abyss
Yeah
latent light
few other possibilities though
timid abyss
I have to wait for my mom to get home to even replace it with the old one
latent light
what wattage is your power supply
timid abyss
600 W, the previous one was 500 W
latent light
should be enough
timid abyss
It is
latent light
also, if you ever buy used again, go with Intel just because those old AMD CPUs were outdated even when they launched
timid abyss
We didn't buy them used
latent light
damn
timid abyss
They're spare parts from my moms PC
latent light
ah maybe there's incompatibility
timid abyss
Shouldn't be
latent light
you can't just throw in a random AMD CPU into a random AMD motherboard
there's dozens of different AMD motherboard sockets
timid abyss
You do realize that she used this exact setup for 5 years
We upgraded her computer, and put the parts in mine
latent light
so the computer doesn't even turn on for a second
timid abyss
Nope
latent light
no fans spin?
timid abyss
Nothing
latent light
if the motherboard was working fine previously then something may not be plugged in
timid abyss
No, the computer stopped working right before we were gonna upgrade it, and that's why we replaced the power supply
latent light
stopped working as in never turning on right?
timid abyss
Yes
latent light
yeah most likely it's dead
timid abyss
What I need to do is take the old motherboard and put that in
latent light
if none of you did anything to it and it just randomly stopped working, it's very high chance that it is dead
timid abyss
I'm aware of this
timid abyss
Try it at least, see if the motherboard my mom had is a problem
Sadly, I can't replace it myself because my mom doesn't want me to
latent light
so your old CPU was a Fx-4300 so that means you had at least a AM3 socket board
latent light
either AM3 or AM3+
timid abyss
I can dm you a picture of the motherboard
latent light
sure why not
timid abyss
AM3 +
latent light
yeah should be compatible with all Fx series CPUs from 4000 to 8000
timid abyss
Okay
timid abyss
I can't
trim lion
Anyone here from Asia trying to get a lower ping? I am getting over 150ms+ ping constantly. No problem with my internet connection and I have a good PC
somber ivy
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maiden skiff
@trim lion Since update 4.4 everyone has had ping issues with EA servers.
A fix is supposed to roll out in update 4.6.
trim lion
@maiden skiff any approximate ETA?
maiden skiff
Supposedly by the end of September.
proven dust
what is a good cheap ssd anyone?
supple bane
if your looking for a budget, they are all the exact same
you wont see any performance difference from one to the other
storm osprey
Cheap ssd I go crucial mx500, they offer good reliability and warranty last I checked
crude storm
my last encounter with crucial rma team wasnt a good experiance
needed to ship, with insurance to UK
waited 6 weeks for a new 480 gb ssd
fallen harbor
ello peeps
what do you think might be an ideal gpu for a i5 6400?
to the point it wont bottleneck i mean ofc
supple bane
probably a 1050
because i had a 7400 and that bottlenecked the 1060 is some games
so a 1050 is probs your best bet
fallen harbor
i see, cause my friend has that cpu with a 1060 and he wants to upgrade
so according to your response he should upgrade his cpu instead?
supple bane
yeah probably
fallen harbor
i see ty
crude storm
to the bottleneck question is only to respond with yes and no 😄
latent light
@fallen harbor Ryzen 5 2600 is cheap right now and a good recommendation
crude storm
it depends on the game, the resolution, the cpu usage 😄
fallen harbor
newest games on 1080p ig
crude storm
@fallen harbor as GrimAce said, a R5 2600 is a good and recommend buy right now
which gpu do you currently own?
crude storm
yes, CPU instead of GPU
fallen harbor
oki ty
crude storm
@fallen harbor he can buy a am4 board with the option to replace r5 2600 in the future with another one, he should keep in mind that investing now more money can give him a very good rig in 1-2 years
should look out for the vrms
supple bane
why?
you dont need good vrm's for a 2600
overclocking that gives very diminishing returns
crude storm
but if you slap another cpu on the board ...
supple bane
well you arent going to upgrade cpu from a 1060 and a 2600
the 2600 is best pared with a 2060
so upgrading the cpu again would be a bad idea
crude storm
how about a gpu + cpu update in 2 years togehter?
supple bane
nah
if and when he gets the 2600 his next best upgrade would be a 2060 or a 1660ti
or a 5700
crude storm
i dont see your problem with buying a mainboard which could handle a better cpu in the future, but he okay, everyone has his own opinions
supple bane
my problem is it is extra money where it isnt needed to be spent
mild bough
why rtx
buy now at black friday
It will be cheap, and good for the price
@prime jasper
prime jasper
That's true
viral fossil
What’s a good cpu for a 2070 other than a i7 7700k
supple bane
ryzen 5 3600
viral fossil
Not 2700x?
supple bane
the 3600 outperforms the 2700x and is cheaper
viral fossil
I have a i5 7500rn
mild bough
I5 is an ok cpu
viral fossil
What will the performance increase be?
supple bane
depends on the game
viral fossil
Destiny 2 cpu heavy
supple bane
you say you have a 2070 right ?
viral fossil
Yes
supple bane
yeah it will be a decent bump in fps
viral fossil
I think I’m bottle necking right now
supple bane
yeah you are
viral fossil
I have a B250 motherboard so I have limited cpu upgrade for now and I want to get the best I can for my 2070 for a while
supple bane
the 3600 is 100% the best option for the 2070
viral fossil
For a 3600? Or a 7700k no?
latent light
If you want to stay on that same platform, your best upgrade is a i7-7700 or 7700K
viral fossil
Which is still pretty good right?
latent light
Although if you get a 7700K, you can't use your stock cooler you have on the i5-7500
It's too hot of a CPU
Would need a new cooler
You could easily buy a AM4 B450 motherboard for $80 and a Ryzen 5 2600 for $130 and get much more stable framerate
i7-7700 is $300
viral fossil
I can buy a Corsair cooler
latent light
I7-7700 would be 5% faster in single core but the Ryzen 5 2600 is 50% faster in multicore
viral fossil
So what’s better for a game like Destiny 2
latent light
Ryzen 5 2600
viral fossil
Why?
latent light
It's the best value CPU in market
I would rather get the 3600 over the 2700X
If you stream, 2700X would be a little better than the 3600
But in pure gaming, 3600 is better
latent light
@viral fossil if you can find a used i7-7700 for under $150 then that would be ok
because then you could just replace the i5-7500 and be done with it
I wouldn't buy a new i7-7700 because they are $300+ and you can buy a Ryzen 5 3400G with the same core/thread count and speed for only $140 lmao
prime jasper
I'd never buy used computer parts unless you the know the guy imo
I always buy all of my parts brand new
latent light
yeah rare for a used CPU to be bad
viral fossil
@supple bane wouldn’t a 3600x be better? Than a regular 3600, the 50 extra dollars aren’t a problem
lofty light
Nope it's pretty wasted
The X is basically just an extra couple percent more perf
Waaaay better to put that extra $50 into something like a GPU
lofty light
More worth it to put that 50 into the mobo then, as you'll need a new one of those with the CPU
viral fossil
I’m not looking to update my mobo, I have a B250 right now and after I upgrade my cpu I’m done, I’m just looking for the best amd cpu I can put in my system
latent light
you can't put AMD CPU in there
viral fossil
Just wondering if I can put a 3600 in my current system and will it be good for a CPU heavy game
lofty light
Yup
lofty light
Good news is new mobos are pretty cheap
The older gen ones are dirt cheap new now as they don't have pcie4
viral fossil
That’s one thing I hate about PCs
You upgrade one part you have to upgrade everything else
lofty light
To a point
If you go with AMD recently for instance, the mobo has the same socket for all AM4 CPUs
lofty light
Depends on which one you get, and whether you get an older gen or not
lofty light
I mean if he's using his current ram it'll be slow and 99% likely be compatible
crude storm
because ryzen second generation stands for ram compatibility!
crude storm
its ok, keep recommending, i will get more customers
lofty light
Wut
prime jasper
y'all talkin about your fancy CPUS and GPUS and i'm just stuck here with a Zotac 150 and intel i3 9100f...
prime jasper
but...why
sour ivy
But juwhy
supple bane
I assume you mean a 1050, not a 150
prime jasper
that depends entirely on his mobo
mild bough
oh
sour ivy
rugged kernel
Will I be able to run the game decently with i3 7100, GTX 1650 and 12 gigs of RAM?
storm osprey
everything low/off youre looking AT BEST 60 fps, but definitely not consistent
slate rivet
i5 minimum
prime jasper
a quad core minimum yes
slate rivet
Yeah
supple bane
yeah
mild bough
just buy pc to 1 million dollars and you never buy new again
supple bane
yeah you will
you do realise hardware degrades
so even a 2080ti wont be able to run bfv after maybe 10 years
if said 2080ti had been used heavily
storm osprey
degredation isnt as strong as most people think
supple bane
i think it is
mild bough
you never buy new, you upgrade 😉
supple bane
ik people who have 1080's and cant play minecraft
they might be talking shit but
im going from their word
storm osprey
storm osprey
basically a gpu wont degrade to being absolute, it either works or doesnt
i have a 1080 that i have an OC on for errr.. 2-3 years now? im using it for bfv 1440p, bfv runs slightly worse but thats a bfv problem
so pretty sure people sying a 1080 cant run minecraft fucked something up one way or another, or are lying
storm osprey
supple bane
its basically gets the same torture as a mining gpu
storm osprey
ive watched a test on a mining gpu vs a brand new gpu and they ran the same
supple bane
yeah im not saying it will degrade
storm osprey
though that doesnt mean the mining card wont fail sooner
supple bane
im just saying that my gpu is pinned at 100% 80% of the time my system is on
which is basically 3pm to 10pm on a weekday
and like morning to night on the weekend
because games pin a 1060 to 100%
supple bane
just checking 😁
storm osprey
someone posted a cod video of them getting a 360 throwing knife kill
supple bane
hmm
desert lily
hello, i have an issue my battlefield v game keeps crashing without an error or anything? any solution. thanks
newest drivers. Are installed
latent light
repair the game through origin launcher
desert lily
thats not a good fix, had this isse some months ago, but thanks anyway.
violet plank
b550 will be OEM only next month,maybe end of year for normal consumer market
OEM will have single channel ram lol
hope that's a OEM design only
well there is hope since OEM is labled B550A
violet plank
OEM,save cost and sell them with highest possible profit
ask HP 😛
it's the same with intel OEM boards btw
they don't want you to upgrade,they want you to buy a new pc
@desert lily could be due to any overclocked component,or overheated component or your windows installation
sour ivy
It could be a lot of shit
violet plank
yeah,but crash without any error is mostly due to overclock/overheat
or bad voltage due to poor psu
or
or
actually mostly easy to figure,run aida64 stability test for about 30 min (free version is enough)
elder reef
Does anyone else get latency variation warning alerts in BFV?
It may just be an ISP issue for me.
But, I haven't been able to play an entire game today without the game losing connection due to latency variation.
sour ivy
Yes I do
violet plank
dunno,didn't play today
elder reef
interesting... is this what the "ping issue" is on Trello?
violet plank
so they broke something with their maintenance ? lul
prime jasper
Ive had that ping issue for as long as I can remember lol
elder reef
People reported ping issues a while back after update 4.4, but I'm seeing the issues more and more relatively recently
It's the most popular upvoted issue on Trello
sour ivy
Yup I just get booted relentlessly
violet plank
like getting shot through 3 houses and 2 mountains?
sour ivy
I’d say once every 2 hours
Sometimes like 3 times every 2 hours
With connection that’s stable in every other game
violet plank
thing i got sometimes is this annoying "delay" when i wanna shoot my weapon,but no ping/server/whatever warning symbol
violet plank
ew,B550 chipsets will be made by ASmedia 🤢
B550 might be even only rebranded x470 chips
dunno if this is a good or a bad thing
sour ivy
ASSmedia
prime jasper
sour ivy
Intel is blowing it
violet plank
lmao
quick ravine
im just here to tell somethin
recently i played cod and damn
im a cod fuccoboi now
xddd
storm osprey
bfv > mw
strong breach
okay, who took my PC
prime jasper
Me
sour ivy
yes
violet plank
your PC is irish ?
desert lily
@violet plank my pc is not overclocked not my cpu and gpu
sour ivy
Huh
storm osprey
graphic settings? fov?
sour ivy
why 70 fps lol
sour ivy
maybe he overclocked his 60 hz to 70
storm osprey
for cheap id say 2600, rx 580, and 16gb of at least 3000mhz ram would get you that fps
whole citrus
Ill go for 2600 rx590 amd 16gb 2666 do you think that'll work to?
storm osprey
i would get at least 3000mhz ram, last i knew that is basically everyones lowest they go for ryzen cpus
it usually only costs like 5-10 bucks more for 3000mhz from 2666 as well
storm osprey
you live in usa?
whole citrus
Neh
storm osprey
ah, i was gonna say 750 in usa gets you a damn good pc
whole citrus
I live in holland
molten coral
750 gets you fuck all in the Netherlands
molten coral
🇳🇱
whole citrus
There you get 2600,rx590,16gb 2666 650 watt psu for like 600
storm osprey
whole citrus
I have 900 but im gonna buy a monitor for 170
molten coral
How old are you as I may ask? Personally I would work a bit to get more money and get a PC for around 1k and a good monitor of around 250/300.
prime jasper
!!specs
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whole citrus
That monitor has
Ips
144 HZ
1 ms
whole citrus
Ye i aint gonna worl so fucking long.
You get 2.30 p.hour
molten coral
Or do you have to be 15 for that? Dunno it's been a while since I was 14 
whole citrus
I work on sat. Om the market and get like 60 euros
But need to work 16 hours for that 4am-9pm
molten coral
Every sat? That is 240 Euro a month so saving 100/150 euro a month would be pretty good.
whole citrus
Ye i can sell my laptop for like 500
The rest is still need to get
But i just dont wanna wait😁😑
sour ivy
Soon
whole citrus
Sir alien u dutch?
grand steeple
@supple bane come back 😭
lofty light
Wait, IPS with 1ms refresh? I call hacks
grim anchor
When i run BFV it opens in the small window top left for about 2-3 seconds and then it crashes with no error.. any solutions?
supple bane
repair game files or re install the game
coral yarrow
Eh what IPS has 1ms
lofty light
None
mild bough
16 hours to make 60 euros? You should get another job
It will take forever to get a pc
whole citrus
@mild bough no im 14 so i earn around 4 euros p.h thats quite good
mild bough
depends really on where you live tbh
if you like live in dubai and make 4 euros ph its like super cheap
because everyone there got like has like a million gallon of oil
abstract yew
hey, can anyone help me? I just downloaded BF5 for the first time and it keeps crashing for me on launch. I renewed my drivers & bios, cleaned my registry, repaired the game, redownloaded it, tried starting origin as admin etc. etc.
supple bane
do you have an overclock somewhere on your system ?
litterally, anywhere ? ram? gpu ?
abstract yew
nah, I'm running default settings for my rig
mild bough
Have you tried just restarting your PC?
supple bane
what exactly does the crash look like ?
abstract yew
yes, it happened quite a few times after updating every single driver + the bios @mild bough
wheat night
anyone have any suggestions on keeping my mouse from moving around by itself? high dpi mouse and slick gaming surface + cable. wireless is not an option
abstract yew
@supple bane my mouse is kinda stuck in the middle of the screen when I'm trying to launch bf5, it shows me the main image of the game and then crashes, without any error message
supple bane
what are your specs ?
doubt it would be that, but if you dont meet the minum specs the game wont launch
abstract yew
gtx 1080, 32gb ram, i7 4.0ghz
abstract yew
literally every other game runs perfectly fine.
supple bane
what other games do you play ?
abstract yew
I mean, mostly dota 2, but I did play the cod alpha during the weekend for instance
abstract yew
yes, it's quite frustrating. 😛 I wouldn't start bothering other people if my googling and me applying "the usual fixes" would have done any good 😄
yes, I did a clean reinstall of my gpu drivers 😦
mild bough
How many ghz does I7-8700 have?
supple bane
3.2ghz
supple bane
depends on which i3
prime jasper
@mild bough https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark.html
mild bough
ok thx
supple bane
the i3 9100f is 3.6ghz
mild bough
damn
supple bane
thats the only one ik off by heart
supple bane
no?
mild bough
what does ghz even do?
supple bane
clock speed isnt everything
mild bough
I know it stands for giga hertz
supple bane
basically, the a cpu has billions of things called transistors, which are microscopic little switches. ever cyle (hertz) a set of yes or know questions will be pushed through transistors
mild bough
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
but its quite fascinating how things like that actually works
Like circuit boards and everything, it makes like no sense
mild bough
oh
i hate logic gates
With AND and NAND an such
AND is always off and NAND is always on right?
latent light
four-way SMT
4 threads per core
imagine a 64 core CPU with 256 threads
or 128 core CPU with 512 threads
mild bough
lol 64 core cpu would be insane
latent light
64 core already exists, look at the AMD Epyc 7742
mild bough
oh, but its already insane
latent light
lol
mild bough
does 128 exist?
latent light
rumors that there will be 128 core next year
supple bane
epyc wont be that good with gaming
latent light
Windows 10 edition of Minecraft runs great compared to Java
latent light
play on 56 render distance on a old laptop and don't get stutter
since threads share resources, a 64 core Epyc CPU with 256 threads will probably have 512 MB of L3 cache or maybe even 1 GB
the current Epyc 7742 has 256 MB
mild bough
What is the point of having so many cores if there is there is no games that give it a challenge
latent light
it's a server CPU
mild bough
oh
supple bane
yeah games arent the only thing that a cpu needs to do lol
mild bough
So it costs like 3.000 $?
latent light
the 7742 currently costs $7,600
mild bough
Damn
latent light
still cheaper than Intel's 28-core CPU lmao
mild bough
lol
latent light
Epyc 64 core is cheaper than Xeon 28 core
supple bane
makes you think why intel chips are so bloody expensive
latent light
go figure
mild bough
What is the best GPU on the market rn?
supple bane
for what ?
mild bough
Like the best of the best