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steep gust
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No maintenance

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Setup is easy

storm osprey
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shouldnt you blow out the dust occasionally?

sour ivy
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That goes without saying tho 😃

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Yeah so I’ll be putting new thermal paste in my card today

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And buy a fan to aim at it

steep gust
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I mean I just wipe off my duster filters once a week

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No dust in my case yet

supple bane
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do you have your pc on your floor or something ?

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Because It takes months for any visible dust to build in my pc

sour ivy
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I have mine on the floor

latent light
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XFX THICC is the best looking card of this gen

steep gust
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that's a render

violet plank
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looks nice,but tbh i have my doubts about the thermal design

steep gust
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Better than the reference pcb OMEGALUL

violet plank
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i would very much love a silent radial design

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or just something silent that blows the hot air outside the case

steep gust
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4 slot card

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ez

violet plank
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yeah lol

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why i'm doing an invert build,case temp drop by 5 degree celsius

sour ivy
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I’m overclocking to 5ghz on my stock cooler

mild bough
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How do you overclock?

steep gust
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you change some numbers

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do some stuff

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and it works

mild bough
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I am watching youtube now, and downloading something called MSI afterburner and kombustor

steep gust
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google can probably explain it in way better detail

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kombustor is not a good GPU stress test

mild bough
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but does it work?

steep gust
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Use SuperPostion, 3D Mark Firestrike + Timespy (extreme), and games

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Generally no, your GPU's VRM will throttle and limit clocks

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Its similar to FurMark in that it goes for max power consumption

mild bough
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But the man here on youtube explains how to use itm i dont want to learn the other things myself

steep gust
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SuperPostion is literally

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download

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click run

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same with 3D Mark

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If you don't buy it, you can't bypass the CPU tests but they are short

mild bough
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oh

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So I download SuperPostion and 3d Mark?

steep gust
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yes

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GPUs are not as easy as CPUs to stress test, as there is a massive variety of workloads that all put different stress on it

mild bough
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And delete kombustor and msi afterburner?

steep gust
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nah MSI Afterburner is good

mild bough
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oh ok

steep gust
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Kombustor just isn't a great stress test

mild bough
steep gust
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yes

mild bough
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ok thx

steep gust
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1080p extreme should be fine for most GPUs

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8k for VRAM testing

mild bough
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uhh, 3dmark just took me to hall of fame

steep gust
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click windows

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Click the "Download Demo" button on the Steam store page to download 3DMark Basic Edition

mild bough
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oh

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thanks man

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What is core clock and memory clock?

steep gust
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exactly that

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core clock is the GPU core clock speed, on cards (Maxwell and above) with GPU Boost its an offset to the V/F curve

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on other cards it'll be a number you can set

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memory clock is the real clock of the VRAM

mild bough
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Ok, but what do I have to change to overclock my GPU?

nocturne hawk
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Hit it

steep gust
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core / memory clocks, power limits, voltage, fan speed, etc

mild bough
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Will my fan melt if I turn it to 100?

steep gust
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no

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it'll just be loud

mild bough
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oh

nocturne hawk
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My PC has exceeded the temperature of the sun

mild bough
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ahahahhaha

prime jasper
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you should probably stop living in chernobyl then

mild bough
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So I should change the core clock?

steep gust
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Read that

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then read the guide for the GPU manufacturer you have

mild bough
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I am not good reading instructions, I am better listening kinda. But I`ll try

steep gust
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well every guide I know of is text

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but youtube should have guides for most GPU generations

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Pascal / Turing is identical

supple bane
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jays two cents did a great vid on ocing gpus

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just FYI

steep gust
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yeah see I don't watch videos on overclocking since I understand it so I would miss anything from big youtubers

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but yeah Jays video is probably detailed enough

mild bough
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I am just watching some random dude panjino

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he tells me to turn power limit to full

steep gust
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What GPU do you have?

mild bough
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It is the worst of the worst

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The one and only GTX 950

steep gust
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gt210?

prime jasper
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oof

steep gust
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So maxwell

mild bough
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ikr, i bought this pc when i was a little kid

steep gust
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yeah maxing it should be fine

mild bough
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i just cared about gaming, not performance

steep gust
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eh it was a fine budget card

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when it came out like 4 years ago

mild bough
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yeah hahah, im planning on buying rtx 2070 super now

sour ivy
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Ok

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Would it be a idiotic for me to make a psu shroud out of legos?

mild bough
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it would be cool

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and even more cool to use it

sour ivy
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Hmm

storm osprey
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i dont see why it would be idiotic

sour ivy
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And could I make a gpu support thing too?

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Or would that melt

storm osprey
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uhh

sour ivy
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Cuz my gpu sag

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It got no belt

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Just like a lil stand to hold it up

storm osprey
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anything i think hot enough to melt leggos would probably have some sort of dissipating cooling system on it

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case is top mount psu?

steep gust
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uh lego don't melt at any temperature achievable by a GPU exhaust air

sour ivy
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Ok dope

mild bough
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helo

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help

sour ivy
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The psu is on the bottom

steep gust
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My GPU's shroud is plastic

mild bough
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I turned my core clock to 617 and now it froze

steep gust
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and almost certainly not to the grade of lego

sour ivy
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Bruh

steep gust
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like +617?

mild bough
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yes

sour ivy
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Vro

steep gust
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yeah you might get +100

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go up in stages of 25

mild bough
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is my pc long gone now?

sour ivy
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No

steep gust
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run a stress test (superpostion), etc write down score

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repeat until the test crashes

mild bough
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oh so it is natural to crash?

sour ivy
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If you increase by that much yes

mild bough
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but, my whole pc froze

steep gust
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yes

sour ivy
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Because you increased it by such an enormous amount dude

mild bough
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imagine if i pressed save

steep gust
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you ran clocks only possible on LN2

mild bough
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and the whole pc dies

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ahhahaha

steep gust
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it would fail

sour ivy
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It’s not just gonna die brother

steep gust
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Afterburner is a software and you can just reboot it

mild bough
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it would be hillarious

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ahh, this test is gonna take forever

steep gust
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not really

mild bough
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howww, i have to change it manually

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but the fan, does it just cool down stuff?

steep gust
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it moves air over the heatsink

mild bough
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so just air

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nothing pc

steep gust
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You might have heatpipes

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but probably not on a 950

sour ivy
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950 NotLikeThis

steep gust
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after all the software tweaks

mild bough
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ikr, i used to have i5, 2gb ram and 950

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what a dream

sour ivy
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Yikes

mild bough
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haha

storm osprey
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that 2gb of ram is the cringe part

steep gust
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it was probably some like

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Ivy i5

mild bough
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it was a asus CPU i think???

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but does 3dmark the same job as kombustor?

steep gust
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asus doesn't make CPUs

mild bough
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idk

steep gust
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3D Mark Firestrike / Timespy are pretty good stress tests

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for a GPU

mild bough
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what happens if i turn memory clock to full?

steep gust
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it crashes

mild bough
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ohh

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any other things i should know before i get back into the fight?

steep gust
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get ready for it to crash in games

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just because it passes stress tests doesn't mean it won't be perfectly stable in games

mild bough
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ohhh

steep gust
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you just drop core clocks by like 10-20mhz and it'll generally work

mild bough
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i will not add by 500 every time i guess haha

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when i started a stress test on 3dmark the new thing that loaded in just crashed

prime jasper
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you need to be increasing like 50...at most

mild bough
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my friends have 3 monitors, and a 960 gtx card. is the reason hes crashing because it is so bad gpu?

steep gust
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no

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my iGPU can do triple monitors

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but yeah add like +50 core then run the test

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if it passes

mild bough
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kk

steep gust
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add another like +25

mild bough
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affirmative

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loool the whole thing just crashed

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do i turn it down?

prime jasper
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yes

mild bough
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i got like 10 fps, and then boom it crashed

steep gust
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Its a 950

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I wouldn't expect very much

mild bough
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yea

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How do I find the default core clock number?

steep gust
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set the core offset to +0

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run a benchmark with afterburner open

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there is a graph if you scroll down

mild bough
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ah thanks

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what happens if i turn it to -90?

steep gust
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It applies a -90 offset

supple bane
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it will clock down

steep gust
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and you lose performance

mild bough
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lool imagine doing that on someones pc

supple bane
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so in my case going from 1890 MHz to 1800 MHz

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i think people do it in rare cases

mild bough
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like put it to -200

supple bane
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Because lower clocks=lower temps

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So in a normal desktop where the cooling isn’t sufficient, people clock down to save some precious degrees

steep gust
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This is the V/F curve the GPU uses for the frequency at the voltage(s) allowed by GPU Boost

mild bough
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and the air is so cold it gives you a cold

steep gust
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Your's won't be as high

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but msi afterburner is apply an offset to the entire curve

mild bough
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gotta have diner

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2 sec

latent light
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what y'all think

prime jasper
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3600 would be worth the xtra

storm osprey
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ehhhh

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60-70 more

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for what? maybe 10 fps

latent light
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3600 is about 20% faster than 2600 in about 90% of games, up to 40% faster in CPU intensive games

storm osprey
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at least from this it shows same fps or 10 fps advatange for 3600

latent light
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GPU bottleneck in that test

storm osprey
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are you not getting a 1660ti?

latent light
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not my build but it's just a budget build

storm osprey
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well for that budget build are you not using a 1660ti?

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which the benchmark shows the same for

latent light
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yes but that really depends on a lot of factors, if you're going for higher fps, 3600 can achieve 144hz much easier than the 2600

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if you're playing BFV, drop the settings to low/medium to play competitively

storm osprey
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personally i would keep the 2600 and get a 5700xt with the cost of the price difference

latent light
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CPU bottleneck at 1080p

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2600 single core performance is on par with a stock i7-3770K

storm osprey
latent light
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1440p

storm osprey
latent light
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is that with the 2600?

storm osprey
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its what i searched for but ill check spec list

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9900k

latent light
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oof

storm osprey
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but we care about what is paired with gpu but not cpu now?

supple bane
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It’s a 1440p, changing the cpu won’t make too much difference on that

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AND AGAIN it’s on dx11, amd gpu’s seem to perform better on dx 12

latent light
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if you're using a 2600 at 1080p, any GPU more powerful than RX 5700 or RTX 2060 will get bottlenecked, especially if not playing at ultra settings

supple bane
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agreed

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but if you go higher resolution you won’t have that issue

storm osprey
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so youd rather get a 3600 and a 1660ti so you dont bottleneck?

latent light
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no rather a 2600 and 1660ti to keep the budget

storm osprey
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vs a 2600 and a 5700 that will bottleneck but get better performance

latent light
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2600 and 1660ti are a great pair if you don't play at ultra settings

supple bane
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Even tho I probs won’t be getting a gpu for a while, my next gpu will be a second hand 1080

storm osprey
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yea i havent argued vs changing anything, i commented on spending extra for 3600 not being worth it for a 1660ti

supple bane
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and I think it will go well with the 2600

latent light
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if you wanna play at ultra then get a RX 5700 (non-XT) or a 2060

supple bane
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the thing is, the 1080 is dirt cheap second hand

latent light
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although 5700 is way better value than 2060

supple bane
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that’s why I’m attracted to it

storm osprey
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all this because i said the price from 2600 to 3600 isnt worth it for a 1660ti

latent light
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but you also said keep the 2600 and get a 5700 XT which would bottleneck at 1080p

storm osprey
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i had a typo, just 5700

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but yes, i would rather put the price difference towards a 5700 vs a 3600

latent light
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I bet by new years, the 3600 will drop in price

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to around $160-170

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maybe even less lol

storm osprey
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🤷🏼

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for a budget build i dont get spending 70 more for a 3600 to pair with a 1660ti

latent light
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same

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3600 should be paired with a 1080/2070/5700 or better

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3600 is almost on par with a 8700K

storm osprey
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insane

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hopefully i can get enough to do a new build by christmas time

latent light
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the hilarious thing about 3rd gen Ryzen is that it's even cheaper to manufacture than 1st and 2nd gen

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due to the new chiplet design

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so next year we could see the 3600 at $100 lmao

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which would be the greatest value CPU ever in the market

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once revenue exceeds the costs of R&D, 3rd gen prices are going to come down quite a bit

supple bane
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it will be interesting to see what intel does to respond to all this zen 2 noise

latent light
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another 14nm refresh

mild bough
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why not buy rtx 2080ti and be done with it

supple bane
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eh it's not that simple

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Because you need the CPU power to go with the gpu power

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if you dont, you get a bottleneck

mild bough
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whats a bottleneck

supple bane
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Which means the CPU is holding back the gpu or vice versa

mild bough
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ohhh

supple bane
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the gpu simply cant perform at its peak due to the CPU holding it back

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Again, it can work both ways

steep gust
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A bottleneck always exist

latent light
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you're a bottleneck Kappa

supple bane
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ooh

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Burrrnnnedddd

storm osprey
supple bane
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your moms a bottleneck OkayChamp

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Took me a while

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But I thought of somethingb

storm osprey
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wack

supple bane
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her puss bottlenecks my penis power Chag

storm osprey
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uhhhhh

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idk what to do with that

supple bane
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don't worry about it Shhh

mild bough
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Help, i downloaded a voice changer called voicemod. And when I didnt want it more, I uninstalled voicemod. And then my microphone volume turns super low, and when I try to boost it, it is still low..

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it sounds like someone is screaming down from a well

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should i remove my mic from the sounds tab? Like delete it?

violet plank
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wtf,2080ti getting so hot that it even heats up hdd/ssd behind the mb ? LUL

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anyone with a 2080ti can confirm that they get hot as hell ?

mild bough
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I tried deleting the microphone, but now when i try to plug it back in. Nothing happens, windows does not give me a message that anything has been plugged in

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It wont even recognize my fucking headphones

molten bramble
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@supple bane Wait, are those mandrel-bent power cables? 😮

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@mild bough Restart, see if it fixes itself. If not, deinstall drivers and reinstall.

mild bough
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I have restarted, but it still does not detect anything

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But what do you mean by deinstall drivers?

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dude

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youre a legend, it worked

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thanksss, i thought i had to buy new headphones. @molten bramble

molten bramble
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No worries my dude.

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Glad to see it's working!

mild bough
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thaaaanksss so much, i already started planning to delete everything in my pc just to get it working

molten bramble
mild bough
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wow

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i wish i had that at 3 AM when my phone is running out of battery

molten bramble
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😄

mild bough
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Imagine boosting that thing by like a million and making the most op PC which just requires a mouse and a keyboard

sour ivy
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Million trillion

storm osprey
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BAHAHHAAH

hoary ember
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nopeus

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right nope button

violet plank
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standard aussie mouse haHAA

latent light
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remember when Samsung mocked Apple for removing headphone jack
now Samsung removed headphone jack and removed their old commercials that mocked Apple

forest token
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🔥 FeelsMeowMan 🔥

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I just bought a second set of headphones specifically to use the audio jack

supple bane
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@molten bramble yes they are! Would that not be sick in Matt white!?! With a white themed build

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Or altrrnsting, Matt white metallic black !

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Again in a white themed build

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it would be expensive as hell but totally worth it

prime jasper
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hey guys any idea why gpu might be over heating?

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all my settings are low

coarse nimbus
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do you have a gpu monitoring program running?

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can you tell the fan speed/ what temp you are hitting

steep gust
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@violet plank open air cards exhaust out both sides of the heatsink

So they heat the motherboard PCB around the GPU

Most likely you SSDs have no airflow and just keep getting hotter

hoary ember
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I saw there was a ssd thermal plate

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That u stick on ssd

prime jasper
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gpu monitoring program?

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its hitting like 40 c

latent light
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ASUS Strix 5700XT has a boost clock of 2035 MHz

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should get equal performance to the 2080

steep gust
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Good 5700xt on the blower did 2100-2150

latent light
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yeah I wonder how well the triple fan cards will overclock

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5700 XT reference has 1905 boost

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anniversary has 1975

quartz whale
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Do you guys think a jump from a 9600K too a 9700K is worth it

latent light
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rumors say that the 5700 XT Strix gets about 8% higher performance than reference

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which sounds normal

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what you'd expect from comparing a blower to a triple fan

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all in all, 2070 Super is becoming more and more pointless

lofty light
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@latent light GN did the hybrid mod and there wasn't much of a boost from memory

latent light
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wasn't that on the default locked AMD bios too

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partners will be different

visual reef
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Wat

prime jasper
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Anyone know any good desks thatd fit my tower

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?

fossil sorrel
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what tower?

supple bane
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Pretty sure almost all desks will fit your case WoahThink

violet plank
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@steep gust not my rig,someone told me that,i don't own a 2080ti,but since the ssd is behind mb and the metal mounting for the mb it must get very hot,never heard of anything like this before

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guess the temp limit of the 2080ti is pretty high anyways ?

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my 1080ti oc 2ghz+ never exceeds 70-73 celsisus

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wish there was a custom gpu with reversed fan airflow (pull instead of push)

supple bane
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you could diy it I guess

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But it wouldn't be pretty

violet plank
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if you just could flip the original fans 180 degree,but doubt that works on any card at all

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since 99% is glued anyways

supple bane
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like I said, it would be possible just not pretty

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also, I'm pretty sure the temps would be worse doing it that way

violet plank
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nope,not on an inverted build,that's why i want it like that,card fans show upwards that way

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much better heat transfer

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out of the case

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like that

steep gust
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Eh it shouldn't make much difference if you have good case airflow

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Like front intake top exhaust

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Natural convection loses to a low rpm fan quickly

violet plank
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depends on the case i guess

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oh i see i mixed something up

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gpu isn't that much of a change,but cpu is

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weird that it does not affect the gpu that much

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just trying to find the perfect balance between silence and cooling

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gonna try putting in some high airflow fans with the standard layout

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cause cpu idle temps always bothered me

steep gust
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If you are so worried about temps

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Do a custom loop LUL

violet plank
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na,i'm done with all that work haHAA

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airflow only

steep gust
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I mean

violet plank
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found a problem already

steep gust
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Soft tubing

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External rad

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Box fan

violet plank
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stupid assus software

steep gust
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Ez

violet plank
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didn't save front profile

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not enough pressure

steep gust
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Assus bad

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Software fan control bad

violet plank
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yeah,behaves weird

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just for fast testing

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afterwards it's on a pwm hub with manual control

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cpu temps already 5 celsius down in idle

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and still dead silent

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you can say about asus what you want,they got crap shit and really good stuff,but their bios is imo the best

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but for a x570 mb atm i would like gigabytes vrm,msi fan layout and asus bios LUL

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and msi heatpipe

violet plank
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5700 xt custom review,looks really good

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at least in terms of temp and noise,performance gain isn't that high

latent light
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1 core 2 threads

steep gust
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Only 5ghz

violet plank
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that stuttering,like in bfv LUL

latent light
quartz whale
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Looking for a 1440p monitor would you guys say the 2070 can do well at 1440p?

silver zinc
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Anyone else have an issue where BF5 is constantly at 100% CPU usage?

quartz whale
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What CPU do u have @silver zinc

steep gust
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ignore task manager m8

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If I buy a high thread count CPU

silver zinc
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6700K

steep gust
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Its never gonna hit more than 20-30% even if it fully loads a bunch of threads

silver zinc
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Does this game use alot of cores?

steep gust
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yes

silver zinc
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Maybe its time to upgrade

steep gust
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6700k is fine for most games

latent light
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BFV can utilize 8 cores

silver zinc
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Yeah that's what i thought too but i'm not too sure

latent light
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if you're on a budget, Ryzen 5 3600 would be a nice jump

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if you want the best performance possible, i9-9900K

silver zinc
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Yeah was thinking of going to an I-7 but same MoBo but i was also looking at getting into AMD for my CPU

latent light
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you can't upgrade on your current motherboard

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highest you can go is 7700K which is barely better than the 6700K

silver zinc
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I can get the I-7 Kaby lake

latent light
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waste of money then

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because same core/thread count

steep gust
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7700k is not worth the cost

quartz whale
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Would it be worth upgrading to a 9700K from a 9600k?

latent light
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not worth the cost nor worth the time putting it into the socket lmao

steep gust
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and while you can mod Z170 / Z270 to run Coffeelake

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Its not really worth it on a lot of boards

latent light
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damn already upgrading a CPU that's not even a year old

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sounds like intel

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9600K should be fine on BFV if you overclock it

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due to recent updates, BFV is stuttery to everyone

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game ran great during alpha, beta and launch then it fell on its face in 2019

quartz whale
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Yeah I was debating on if I should do but seen there is hardly any differençes

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In most games now

latent light
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9600K to 9700K is only 2 extra cores

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no hyperthreading

steep gust
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HT isn't much anyways

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y'all greatly overestimate how much it actually does in a lot of workloads

latent light
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compare 4 core/4 thread CPU to a 4 core/8 thread CPU though

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i5 before 8th gen are struggling in modern games

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older i7s are saved by HT

peak hemlock
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hello, im currently having issues with battlefield 3, 4, and v . im getting these really bad frametime spikes (game freezes for about a second or less). its more noticeable on large conquest servers, but still present on smaller gamemodes like chainlink in bf4. i have an intel core i7 6700, rtx 2060, 16 gb ram ddr4, 550w evga supernova g3, and 1 tb hdd seagate 7200rpm https://prnt.sc/or4cb6

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anyone have any suggestions in mind?

steep gust
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DDU your driver

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@peak hemlock how did you remove your old gpu driver?

peak hemlock
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ive used ddu many times, this started happening after i installed the new rtx 2060

steep gust
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Could easily be driver issues

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Do you have your old GPU still to test to make sure it is your GPU?

peak hemlock
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unfortunately i was having an issue where one of my cpu cores would be fully utilized (fixed that though by uninstalling drivers from device manager)

steep gust
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BF3 / BF4 are mostly low core count stuff

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It'll load up a few cores (especially the one feeding the GPU) really high

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Especially on a modern gpu

peak hemlock
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although that isssue isnt happening anymore after i uninstalled gpu drivers from device manager

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but im still having these stuttering issues

steep gust
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This happens in the test range?

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I get almost micro stuttering when my network is being a pain in the ass

peak hemlock
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havent tested test range, will do though

steep gust
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That's uh

peak hemlock
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but that means bad fps or something

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when the spikes hit

steep gust
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!tags

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steep gust
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!!warningicons

steep gust
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Try like vsync

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Or capping your fps

peak hemlock
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still happens on vsync, not as noticeable though and i would honestly prefer without vsync on bf4 since input lag is a lot more noticeable on that versus bfv

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and capping fps doesnt work either

steep gust
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Rip

fading thicket
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Hey, can anyone help me figure out why my BFV is crashing to desktop as soon as I start it?

lofty light
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You updated your graphics drivers?

fading thicket
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@lofty light You know, I don't think I have...

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How do I check for NVidia cards?

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I'll try after this MWO match ends

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@lofty light You thought right, my drivers aren't up to date. I'll update em now and see what happens.

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No dice - it loads up a little bit, then freezes and abruptly crashes to desktop.

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@lofty light Any other tricks to try?

supple bane
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@fading thicket repair game files

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or reinstall the game

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What are your specs too, most likely not but if your below minimum specs your game won’t launch

fading thicket
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@supple bane I wasn't able to repair game files earlier as Origin was stuck on resuming the update for Apex Legends.

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I fixed that by deleting Apex (and uninstalling BFV along the way) so i'm going to try playing again after it becomes available.

supple bane
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like I said it’s a long shot but what are your specs ?

molten coral
supple bane
molten coral
supple bane
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also @molten coral ITS MICE

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Not mouses OkayChamp

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dumby WoahHappy

molten coral
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#LearnSomethingEveryDay

jade star
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last one is pretty nice

fading thicket
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@supple bane Update, after a fresh reinstall I am able to play the game now !

supple bane
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Good stuff

mild bough
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I found a card that is called «HP RTX 2080 OEM» , is it a good card?

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It was a used card, perfect condition. 550 dollars

supple bane
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it's a good deal but remember it's an OEM

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what are your current specs tho ?

mild bough
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I7-8700 and 16gb ram

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but what is it with OEM components?

supple bane
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a component that a company brought to put into a prebuilt system to sell on

mild bough
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And what is wrong with that?

supple bane
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it won't come with warrenty, and It can have other negatives too

silver zinc
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There's nothing wrong with OEM cards, just know that they run a bit hotter

mild bough
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What is warrenty?

supple bane
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Are you taking the piss lol ?

mild bough
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I am not an expert

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English is not my mother language

supple bane
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Warranty is if your part breaks you can call the manufacturer to get a replacement part

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for free

mild bough
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Oh thats good

supple bane
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well it has to be within certain requirements

mild bough
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oh ok

supple bane
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Most say it has to be within the first three months of purchase and if there is any user damage warranty cannot be claimed

mild bough
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ohh i know what warranty is, it is called guarantee where i live

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So do you think it is worth to buy?

supple bane
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what do you have currently?

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Graphics card I mean

mild bough
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GTX 950 hahaha

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anything is better than that

supple bane
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Hmm

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depends on your bank account then really

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I would say the amd 5700xt would be better

mild bough
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How much is that?

supple bane
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About 400 dollars

long sphinx
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non xt is better value

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oc it and you get the xt

mild bough
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Oh

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But I just want a really good one

long sphinx
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then wait for top of the line navis

mild bough
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So it is overkill so I can play with ultra on my 1920x1028

lofty light
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At 60hz? Yeah that's kinda overkill

mild bough
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Exactly

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I want overkil

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Is it good for that?

lofty light
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Both are yeah

mild bough
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Great

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Then that card it is

supple bane
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if you only have a 60hz monitor that don't get the e 5700xt

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literally the detention of a waste of money

molten coral
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If you are playing on 1080p 60hz just get a budget card tbh

mild bough
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no i want overkill

supple bane
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remember when I taught you what a bottleneck was, that is he ultimate bottleneck

lofty light
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Just get a budget card like the Titan RTX

supple bane
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ignore him ^

mild bough
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then i can decide to buy a better monitor later

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yeah titan rtx is only like 3000 dollars

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hahah

lofty light
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It's like $8k here

supple bane
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tbh get a better monitor first

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I think it would be the best way forward

molten coral
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Just get a 2070 haHAA

supple bane
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You can get a decent 1440p 144hz on eBay for like 300 dollars

mild bough
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yeah, but is it possible to play with bottleneck?

lofty light
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3440x1440 at 200Hz

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It's my monitor but stronger

mild bough
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Hahaha

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I bet jackfrags has that

lofty light
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Probs not tbh

mild bough
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Elon musk

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But can i play with it?

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the bottleneck

lofty light
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Of course, you'll ALWAYS have a bottleneck

mild bough
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what?

lofty light
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In my PC it's my CPU

mild bough
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i cant get rid of it?

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oh

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But I didnt quite understood what bottleneck was

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Oh i get it, it is like limiting the performance

lofty light
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The limiting part of your PC, so in your case the monitor as your cpu and GPU are good enough but they could go further with higher frames or resolution

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Yeah

mild bough
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ohhh

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But if I will get 120 frames on ultra or high with a 1920x1028 monitor, heck yea

supple bane
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you can but you see the frames

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The Hz on a monitor means the max frame rate the monitor can display

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so in your case you may be able to get 120 fps but in reality you can only see 60

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My monitor is 75 Hz and I average about 80-100 fps on ultra but still I can only see 75 fps

mild bough
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Oh

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Can i buy a 1920x1028 monitor with 144hz?

supple bane
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Thats why getting an overkill graphics card is pointless for you

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Idk

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Ye probs

mild bough
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So I will just buy a gpu first, then buy a monitor later

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but how do i know if the gpu is compatible with my pc, i thought i only needed to know the watt

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i have 550 watt

supple bane
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it will always be compatible

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Graphics cards are a component that will be compatible with anything

mild bough
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Oh

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I did not know

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Because when i bought my cpu

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It wasnt compatible, so i had to buy a new motherboard

supple bane
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yes CPU's have to be compatible

jagged citrus
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Does any of you have any idea about a low end pc that could run 1080p 60fps while streaming via ps4 while using an elgato?

mild bough
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What is low end for you? 500?

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@jagged citrus

jagged citrus
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Yeah 500 sounds great

mild bough
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Well, i have no idea. But I can investegate a littlep

silver zinc
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If you want a good cheap 1080p 144hz monitor look into this one

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Just got it and i'm liking it so far

mild bough
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or gabe comes and save the day

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Thats just a monitor

silver zinc
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If you're streaming using al elgato you can really use any computer

jagged citrus
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I tried to find something on yt but nothing about the actual build

silver zinc
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Because you're just encoding not rendering and encoding

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Any I-5 will do the job fine

mild bough
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i have no idea what elgato actually is

jagged citrus
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Is a capture card

mild bough
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You can buy my i5

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it has never been overclocked

jagged citrus
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Yea well I am living in eu

mild bough
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me too

jagged citrus
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Lol

mild bough
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are you in norway?

jagged citrus
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@silver zinc do you have 5 mins? I wanna buy a pc, so which i5, what ram should I use do I need a gpu? I dont rly know how the capture card works

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I live in Austria

mild bough
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Oh

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You should proba buy atleast 6gb ram and i5-6400

silver zinc
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The capture card basically is doing all of the hard work, you're just encoding and streaming from the PC

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Something like this should do the trick for you

jagged citrus
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Thank you very much, sir

molten bramble
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Hmmm... buy two 27" monitors for a triple header or go over to a 32" for the center and flank 27" monitors on both sides... decisions, decisions.

steep gust
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Same size for all 3

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@silver zinc encoding is the hard work Thonk

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A capture card is only needed if you are going to use a second streaming rig

molten bramble
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@steep gust I am inclined to agree, simply because I don't want to deal with that little annoyance when moving an app window between two monitors of different size/resolution.

supple bane
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what I hate is when the monitors have different colours

molten coral
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Just buy a wide one

steep gust
molten bramble
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@molten coral I'd considered it, but they're still higher than I want to pay atm for a 49" 120Hz Samsung @ ~ $1,300 - 1,500.

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Whereas two additional 27" screens gives me 81" of space to work with and/or reconfigure based on what I am doing.

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That's at literally 1/3 of the cost.

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Half the cost if I go OLED instead of LCD.

molten coral
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Yeah, they are pretty expensive that is for sure.

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But I wouldn't be able to go back now if someone told me to use 2 27'' screens instead of the one I use now.

molten bramble
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I don't discount the avantage of a no-bezel separation, but it's not worth the cost to me atm.

mild bough
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Can anyone recommend a good 1920x1028 minimum 144hz monitor? For around 200-300 dolars

molten bramble
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If they come down to about $800, which they will eventually, I might do that.

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@mild bough I have a Samsung 27" 144Hz LCD (C27JG50QQN) on this build, works great, can be found on Amazon within that pricerange, less if you pick one up used probably.

mild bough
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Thats great

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Thanks, I’ll look it up 😀

molten bramble
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Next step up would be the OLED version, but you're looking at a 1/3-1/2 of the price markup for that.

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There is a 32" of this model that is pretty nice as well.

mild bough
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I like 27 monitors, the size is perfect. The size makes the eye have good overview

steep gust
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OLED monitors dont really exist

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For valid reasons

mild bough
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What is a oled monitor?

steep gust
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A monitor using OLED

mild bough
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what is oled?

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haha

reef pasture
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Some type of display that is very expensive

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I don’t know if it’s worth the money

mild bough
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oof

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if it sounds expensive, it probably is expensive

coarse nimbus
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Lol... what does X mean, it means X...thats helpful GWsabianPepoHmm

mild bough
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What of my pc components do I need combine to find out how much watt of my Power Supply I am currently using

steep gust
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GPU and CPU should be enough

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Or just buy a like 550w PSU

mild bough
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i have 550w. i know it is expensive, but it sounds kinda cool to buy a 1500w

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then you wont have to buy a new psu for probably a decade

steep gust
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Power draw is going down

mild bough
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wdym?

steep gust
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1500w PSUs exist for exteme overclocking and other super extreme systems

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Like CPUs / GPUs will draw less power in a decade than today

mild bough
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oh

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so i could just buy a 1w psu lol

steep gust
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It's an extreme waste to buy >750w PSUs for a single GPU / consumer CPU

mild bough
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hahaha ok

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imagine being in a coma for 20 years and they have like YTX 99990 gpus

coarse nimbus
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not sure a psu would even last that long, they have a shelf life

mild bough
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oh

steep gust
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Most high end PSUs have a like 12-15 year warranty

mild bough
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in the 80’s you needed to have like 99999w psu

pallid silo
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I have a vega64 is it worth using my 1440p 120hz monitor or should I go for my 1080p 120hz? :) 1080p one has free sync and I play battlefield 1/5 GTA V star wars battlefront 2 black ops 4 sniper elite (most common games I play) would 1440p seem more appropriate for my gpu

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It's only coz my cousin said that the vega64 is more suited for 1440p as its overkill for 1080p

latent light
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nothing is yet overkill for 1080p

pallid silo
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A 2080ti is XD

lofty light
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I mean, if you're going 280Hz then sure

pallid silo
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XDD I dont really notice much after 100hz

lofty light
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I still can 🤷

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But then again I'm still res over anything

cursive marten
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I would get a 2080Ti just for piece of mind that i can run literally everything

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would rather get a 3rd gen ryzen tho

lofty light
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I've got both now Yikes

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Although the 3900X is still on backorder sadcat

prime jasper
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youve got a 3rd gen ryzen and ordered the 3900x too?

steep gust
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I mean a 3600 is cheap

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and you can return it

lofty light
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Na, I'm counting my backorder as having it as I've already paid

molten bramble
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@lofty light throwing that money around like it's just tissue paper

latent light
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considering 3rd gen Ryzen is cheaper to manufacture than the previous gens, probably will see bigger price cuts than we did with 2nd gen

molten bramble
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Big bawlla!

latent light
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can't wait to see the 3600 at only $150

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although that may not happen if Intel doesn't release anything to compete at the current price point of the 3600

steep gust
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It might be cheaper

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but yields are currently clearly not super high

latent light
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yeah not as high as 14nm

steep gust
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and CPUs take months to manufacture

latent light
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3600 at $150 and 3700X at under $300 would be nice

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Ryzen 4000 design is complete and will be most likely be ready Q2 2020

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when 4th gen launches, 3700X will probably be around $250 lol

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do you think AMD could of stayed on 14/12nm and improved it over time like Intel did with 14nm

prime jasper
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yes

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but why

latent light
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will never know because they want to keep shrinking

prime jasper
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they kept improving bulldozer into all its iterations

latent light
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already boasting about 3nm lol

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which we won't see until around 2023 or 2024 lol

steep gust
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yeah when you don't need to produce and manufacture its easier

lofty light
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@molten bramble just spending literally all my spending money on tech, it's my only hobby really

molten bramble
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I mean, as long as you got the priorities nailed down, what you do with the excess shouldn't be anyone's concern. yolo! 😃

latent light
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Mini-STX motherboards for Ryzen would be cool

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nvm could just buy this lmao

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comes with a case

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it's for Ryzen APUs, only 6 inches tall

hoary ember
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3400g is pretty good

lofty light
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@latent light is that the CMOS battery sitting directly on the chipset? 👀

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But yeah mini stx is a mobo format I really want to get behind, it's just a pity that MTX GPUs have no real standard

latent light
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damn you can build this system for less than $300 depending on the CPU you choose

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very nice

lofty light
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Oooh

latent light
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3400G might get hot

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I'd like to put an Athlon 200GE in that build

lofty light
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Pfft, mini PC's are meant to thermal throttle Yikes

latent light
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fuck normal power supplies, why don't they just make larger AC adapters haHAA

lofty light
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Lol

cursive marten
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how well does that work?

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also, i've seen a lot of mini PC's with watercooling setups so thermal throttling isn't a thing?

lofty light
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Haven't had any problems with mine except the 40mm fan has dodgy bearings so it squeaks

hoary ember
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Lul

lofty light
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According to reviews it's a common issue

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But hey, I just happen to have a spare 40mm noctua fan so 🤷

cursive marten
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couldn't you replace the bearings?

lofty light
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Not worth it for a crappy 40mm fan

latent light
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Ryzen 4000 architecture design is already complete, using 7nm EUV (extreme ultra violet).
20% more transistor density and also 20% more power efficient over Ryzen 3000.
Their later generation 7 nm (N7FF+) production is planned to use EUV multiple patterning and entered risk production in August 2018, and volume production in June 2019.
Ryzen 4000 expected release: Q2 2020.

lofty light
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How expensive is that going to be 👀

latent light
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My predictions for 4th gen Ryzen:

  • 5-8% greater IPC than 3000 series
  • 4.8 GHz single core boost
  • 3466 MHz memory support out of box
  • No X670 chipset
  • 6 core/12 thread APU
steep gust
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There isn't a 3466 jedec bin

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so no 3466 support

latent light
supple bane
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I wouldn’t say 4.8ghz

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maybe the high end ones actually

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but I wouldn’t say r5 4600 would have 4.8

latent light
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16GB HBM stacks

violet plank
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somewhat disappointing,loud,heavy,big (2.7slots),power hungry and very little performance gain against the reference design :/

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guess they just used a nvidia strix cooling design,which is wrong cause of the much smaller amd gpu die

lofty light
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GPU vendors are loving the 2.5-3 slot cards

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Whereas I wouldn't go back from water-cooling it now

violet plank
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1.4 Kg LUL

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they just need to make a bigger surface area of the chip,easier to cool,but more expensive i guess

lofty light
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Oof

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Yeah bigger chips are much, much more expensive

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Exponentially so I think

violet plank
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sounds about right

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hope navi 20 does it better

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should be a bigger chip

steep gust
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The thing is

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For AMD

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as long as temperatures are within safe metrics and noise / cooling is good enough

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They don't have to change anything

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pascal had a pretty small die compared to Turing and it is leagues easier to cool than Turing

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Both scores are invalid on HWBot but show the strength of 128 cores LULW

prime jasper
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why would that be invalid?

steep gust
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Covers the render window

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missing the CPU-Z memory tab

violet plank
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nitro custom x5700 is way better in terms of noise,seems asus failed hard with their strix design

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sapphire

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well,nvm,sucks on performance bios aswell

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44 decibel,that's loud af

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oh that's for the xt,fans hitting the cooling limit there,the normal 5700 with 37 decibel seems ok

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guess more cuda cores and the additional rt cores produce more heat on turing? @steep gust

steep gust
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Density

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stuff is really close together

violet plank
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cheaper in manufacturing

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lol 127 cores,cpu-z not yet updated to the new epyc ?

steep gust
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yeah that's normal

sour ivy
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Ideas on how I can make my blower 1080 a lil cooler?

prime jasper
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not much short of reapplying paste/pads and/or getting a new cooler on it

sour ivy
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Yeah I’ll do thermal paste

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Idk if I should liquid cool it

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Probably too expensive

prime jasper
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at that point the cost isnt justified vs a new card

sour ivy
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Yeah

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Should put a cpu cooler on it haha

prime jasper
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lol somebody probably has on youtube

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you can try undervolting it too

sour ivy
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Probably works

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I saw someone else who like removed part of the bracket

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So more hot air could leave

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And that helped temps but I probably don’t wanna do that

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I don’t think it’s throttling it’s just toasty

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It never goes past 78 C

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If I bring up the fan speeds to 100% it’s around 72 in Bfv

prime jasper
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seems normal

sour ivy
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I expected it

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Cuz I mean it’s a powerful card but a blower lol

prime jasper
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my 2080 will hit around 70-72 in bfv too

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game just gets everything hot lol

sour ivy
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Is it double or triple fans

prime jasper
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double

sour ivy
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I’m also just sad that I don’t get 144 FPS in Bfv

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But I know the game runs shit for most people

prime jasper
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only way I could get 144 is dropping to low but screw that

sour ivy
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Wait you don’t get 144 on a 2080?

prime jasper
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not on ultra 1440p

sour ivy
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Oh 1440 ok

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What’s yo cpu

prime jasper
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2700x

sour ivy
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I’m runnin a 2600x

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Should probably overclock it

prime jasper
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just let PBO do its thing

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manually overclocking these isnt worth it unless you have a custom loop

sour ivy
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😭

steep gust
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I mean

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You can find waterblocks for cheap on ebay

sour ivy
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Those would be safe? Like name brand?

steep gust
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waterblocks are waterblocks

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EK is a "name brand" company and their blocks are shit most of the time

sour ivy
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I’m not tryna fry my parts

steep gust
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You can probably find the EK block for your card on ebay

sour ivy
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I’ll check it out

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Then I’d need a radiator? Could I get one for both my cpu and gpu

prime jasper
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yes...and the lines, and the radiator fans, and the fittings. its stupid expensive just to cool that card

sour ivy
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😦

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Not worth 75 c is ok then lol

steep gust
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and a pump

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Buy a morpheus or an accerlero

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Worth it

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I have no LGA1366 board

prime jasper
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damaged

steep gust
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It probably works fine

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I saw nothing damaged about it

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The IHS is busted up

sour ivy
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What about hanging a fan right in front of the gpu

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Dumb or dumb?

prime jasper
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at that point you might as well just take the side off the case and point a desk fan right at it lol

sour ivy
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Lmfao

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That’s not an option. I have cats

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I really want to just have a test bench setup but they’d fuck it up

steep gust
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its also a blower

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so you can't force more air through it

sour ivy
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I’ll just see where it’s at after new paste

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Also need to dust my pc and fix cable management lol

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And get more than 1 case fan

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But I’m getting a new case anyways. Need something smaller and better looking

latent light
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very nice

storm osprey
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same perf, better everything else

sour ivy
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Is this a good case

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Wait wtf the 5700xt is so good

prime jasper
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only if you have a micro atx board

latent light
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sapphire rx 5700 xt pulse is only $10 more than reference

steep gust
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That's a large case for mATX

sour ivy
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Yeah I got a micro atx

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Do you have any recommendations @steep gust

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Under 80

steep gust
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idk much about matx

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outside of its not really done

sour ivy
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Thank

sour ivy
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Yeah it’s ok

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I’d rather go cheaper but I’ll check em out

storm osprey
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do you want a side window?

sour ivy
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Yeah

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But I’d be open to one w/o

storm osprey
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those are what i would get, personally i would get the masterbox

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the thermaltake doesnt come with a fan iirc

steep gust
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VR ready

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rx570

molten bramble
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I LOL'd

steep gust
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"4k ready"

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"VR ready"

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4k VR ready"

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I mean technically it can run 4k

sour ivy
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@storm osprey I have 4 case fans I can put in it

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What a god tier pc

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So sexy

storm osprey
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we use the thermaltakes at work and the seem good

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pretty basic case

sour ivy
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I hate my thermaltake case

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But I think I just bought a shitty one

storm osprey
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thermaltake isnt my go to brand, but they seem to be decent budget cases

sour ivy
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Yeah

tropic pebble
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any help? i just got an error saying my gpu does niot support my direct x 11.....i played the game hours ago everything was fine
i repaired the game still nothing

prime jasper
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reboot, try again

storm osprey
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classic

tropic pebble
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i restarted my pc and the game worked. i cant understand this shit.....what made the game fluster? ugh these technologies nowadays

prime jasper
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if a restart fixed it then it wasnt the games fault

steep gust
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dx errors are generally driver issues

tropic pebble
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how do i know if my drivers have issues though? i have everything updated and i got my pc from march

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so its still new

pallid silo
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What gpu can run bf5 at 4k 60fps ultra? Nothing below 50fps

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With a ryzen 5 3600

latent light
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CPU doesn't matter much at 4K

pallid silo
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Yeah but what gpu would I need

latent light
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RX 5700 XT or RTX 2080

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5700 XT gets better performance than the 2080 in BFV for some reason

pallid silo
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Ah okay! What fps does the vega64 uv/oc get? And radeon is more optimised maybe?

latent light
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looks like 5700 XT beats vega 64 by around 15% in BFV

pallid silo
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Ah okay! That's not worth the extra price for the 5700xt then

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As vega64 is 300 pounds

latent light
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Vega 64 averages around 45-50 fps at 4K ultra settings

pallid silo
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Ahh okay! :) is that with AA off

latent light
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yeah

pallid silo
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Awesome :D and stock settings or an oc

latent light
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stock

steep gust
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vega has some issues with oc

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Mostly down to hotspot temps

pallid silo
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The sapphire is a 3 fan so I'm sure that will be okay :)

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I could overclock and undervolt a vega64 to get 50fps at 4k ultra and turn a few settings to high :) thanks man

latent light
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Sapphire has an exclusive feature with resolution scaling that works with all games, even if they don't support it

steep gust
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Its no different than DSR

latent light
steep gust
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That's not how that works NotLikeThis

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If you play at a lower resolution and upscale it, you end up at the same fps

hoary ember
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@latent light where did you downloaded this version of trixx

latent light
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it's for the Sapphire RX 5700 series

hoary ember
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oh...

lofty light
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Ohhhh.......how embarrassing mikeisdone

forest token
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looks like it is just making it easier to use the amd built in upscaling

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I think the amd tweaker requires making a custom resolution after enabling upscaling and the trixx just makes it easier

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can anyone confirm?

steep gust
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That's all it is

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a custom resolution

forest token
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