but even for 19 inch rack it's huge
#technology
violet plank
molten bramble
Had to have been somethin significant for them to put it on the wall, especially in the mid-90s.
molten bramble
Pretty sure that's the logo in the top right of the card, and it sort of reminds me of one of the old 3DFX logos.
molten bramble
Oh, we had pretty big cases then.
I know I had a case that could have fit that thing.
molten bramble
It's a 1996 card.
violet plank
still smaller than that on the wall
molten bramble
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/wall-of-gpu-history/ Another blog post of similar origin, more cards shown/named, but not that one.
violet plank
voodoo 1 was 1996
lol,nice link!
still,that logo,what is it ffs lol
can't be 3dfx
sun ?
molten bramble
Nah, not SUN Microsystems
molten bramble
They had some proprietary stuff in the SPARCs, but I don't know if they manufactured or someone else did.
violet plank
maybe ibm
molten bramble
Wait... there was a company that had a yellowish logo... the hell was the name.
violet plank
the card right below those upper 2 could be the voodoo 1
there was something that specialized in graphic workstations
can't recall
expensive af
molten bramble
That was SGI
violet plank
right
molten bramble
A subsidiary of Crey
I used those at the Art Institute of Dallas nearly 20 years ago lol
We had stacks of them in this small room to render with.
I can't believe noone has put a site together cataloging old cards. I might just start that project.
violet plank
that wall is already a good start,but lacks of high res pics of each of them
molten bramble
Could have been an old 3DLabs card
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3Dlabs#/media/File:Dynamic_Pictures_Oxygen402.jpg Getting closer to length/layout
violet plank
maybe yeah
molten bramble
Series I mean
Might have been some prototype unreleased, but the board on the wall seems darker.
violet plank
and different layout
molten bramble
I might just have to call Microsoft on Monday and ask lol
molten bramble
It's going to bother me if I can't figure this out.
violet plank
tell them to make high res pics of all the cards
same here lol
gonna fucking dream about it lol
same as a song i can't recall the name
molten bramble
See, RIVAs always had those dark boards as I recall, which makes me think it was in that series.
steep gust
Rampage 4 Apex is what I defaulted to when i read RIVA
Although that board doesn't exist that's just how people shorthand Assus names
molten bramble
Hmm
didn't ATI have a longboard Rage with dual heads and a funky 3D logo?
Still wrong PCB color
HOLY SHIT
Real 3D
I betcha that's a source
Looks like the logo
So, it's some sort of Real3D, dual-head VGA board with possibly AGP PCI interface.
Same sort of dark PCB.
Found it @violet plank
Above is an unfinished Real3D 100 prototype
Also:
brisk vector
Okay my pc turns on now but when I run any games I get like 2 fps
molten bramble
Oh, here's the breakdown of the board:
brisk vector
?
molten bramble
It was a mid-range workstation / high-end PC graphics card (PCI version canceled)
brisk vector
Oof
molten bramble
There was apparently three in the series.
Mystery solved @violet plank, we can now sleep comfortably.
š
molten bramble
No worries, I completely forgot about that company.
They only made like five things
violet plank
vr was a short hype then
molten bramble
Still is
violet plank
as it was/is now 
molten bramble
exactly lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real3D Wow. Lot of history with that company and pretty much no success in the GPU market.
molten bramble
Heh yeah
I think that was around the time when AMD got tired of trying to copy Intel's designs through reverse engineering and then bought ATI.
violet plank
buying ATI was AMD's biggest mistake imo
steep gust
I mean is it really reverse engineering
If Intel allows you to use any of their patents
molten bramble
The cross-licensing wasn't in effect until the late-70s/early-80s, and it was on specific products.
The 90s, they were falling behind.
Around late-90s, early-00s, they expanded the CLA as I recall.
molten bramble
But make no mistake, their very first product even was a reverse-engineered Intel chip and the trend carried on for years.
molten bramble
for sure
violet plank
there was a third player on the market,3s or something ?
chip shit
cheap
and slow cpus
violet plank
yeah think that was it
molten bramble
All very slow comparatively
steep gust
everyone made CPUs at one point
violet plank
but only 3 did x86
violet plank
ibm was on power thingy
steep gust
if Intel doesn't give you the ability to use it
violet plank
they had too
steep gust
IBM is still making CPUs iirc
molten bramble
RISC was also in the game at that time, being pushed by IBM
violet plank
market monopoly
violet plank
ibm still does,but only for their own as systems iirc
molten bramble
Yeah
steep gust
x86 is pretty awful anyways
molten bramble
Who bought the SPARC patents, HP wasn't it?
violet plank
i think everyone bought something from everyone in the end lol
molten bramble
And someone else bought Motorola's portfolio.
molten bramble
Yeah, that's why companies started doing CLAs, because there are only so many ways to skin a cat.
violet plank
at the end it breaks down to the IC anyways lol
molten bramble
The legal costs were getting out of hand.
violet plank
right
molten bramble
There were lawsuits in the late-90s/early-00s left and right.
violet plank
well that's what's still going on,but in the mobile business now
apple/qualcom
and whoever is in that dirty buisness
samsung
just sue,and counter sue lol
steep gust
Apple is probably gonna end up making laptop CPUs
molten bramble
Well, that's not really a patent dispute though. More of Apple leveraging against Qualcomm because Qualcomm was being a shit with their wireless tech and marking it up heavy.
violet plank
apple was at it's best with ibm power cpus imo
never understood the switch to intel
molten bramble
Indeed
molten bramble
ewww, nothing was supported for PowerPC line though
latent light
didn't TSMC make the iPhone X chip
violet plank
i bet the A12 would run bfv 
molten bramble
The switch to Intel allowed them to open up to a different market of software.
anyone remember Matrox cards?
violet plank
A12 is done by TSMC indeed
in 7nm
matrox was top notch in 2d
best cards ever for graphic desgin stuff
molten bramble
I remember Diamond being a hot-ticket item in 2D for awhile.
violet plank
color accuracy
molten bramble
Also Vega
violet plank
for the best rig,matrox 2d,and then some 3d card
molten bramble
Jeez I feel old.
violet plank
reminds me of sony 21 inc CRT,2.5k a piece lol
molten bramble
Folks in this age don't know how far we've come! š
violet plank
lul
latent light
tfw MacOS only supports Radeon now
violet plank
actually those old CRT's are still better than most gaming monitors available now
steep gust
tfw MacOS has only supported AMD cards officially for a long time
molten bramble
mmmm, I don't know about that
molten bramble
I used to get ill playing Doom or Wolfenstein on those things
steep gust
idk any CRT annoys my eyes
violet plank
you just break your back of their weight lol
steep gust
also CRTs were heavy and large
violet plank
the first lcd/led were crap
response time was slow af and colors looked so bad
and all the dead pixels
steep gust
CRTs are probably bad for your eyesight alongside that
steep gust
and expensive
violet plank
yeah 2.5k
steep gust
most people aren't buying top of the line
violet plank
nah,they were used mostly in business
molten bramble
Anyone remember buying ROM for components in the machine? Or is that going too far back?
violet plank
zero input lag/no tearing,nothing,perfect gaming monitors tho
wasn't my business
rom for like what ?
only remember co cpus for x486 ?
or 386 ?
for upgrading
violet plank
i had an apple II once,if i only kept that thing...
somebody was throwing that thing in the garbage lol
molten bramble
I still have a 5 1/4 floppy drive in the archives.
I've got about three cases of old gear sitting in the closet that I keep for nostalgia.
Interesting, apparently Atari had a 300-baud modem at one point.
violet plank
wasn't there something about hole puncher and make a single side disk into a double side ?
violet plank
holy shit,nice one
molten bramble
supple bane
Jebus what resolution is that image, you can zoom completely all the way in and it isnāt blurred at all
steep gust
1365x606
the actual imagine is 5639x2506
Discord just compressed the shit out of it for preview
molten bramble
@steep gust Think I accidentally unpinned your VRM list somehow, though I never touched it.
steep gust
oh I unpinned it
molten bramble
Oh haha
steep gust
Since its not relevant anymore
molten bramble
gotcha
steep gust
Pretty much any board will work for Zen 2
molten bramble
I updated my post with a little bit more formatting and an extra section about assistance.
supple bane
you trying to take the piss with that āimagine?!?ā 
molten bramble
?
steep gust
auto correct is wonderful
molten bramble
Oh lol
supple bane
ha lol I did the same
molten bramble
auto-incorrect
supple bane
I just assumed you were taking the piss with the imagine
supple bane
i was using Gboard when I typed that
molten bramble
I wanna know wth this is and what it was used in:
Survived a decade on the same product.
supple bane
The thing is, gboard has great features but the auto correct is actual ass
Ik Iām rambling on about boring shit but hey
supple bane
REALTEK MADE CARDS!?!
molten bramble
Yeah
molten bramble
Everyone was trying to play in the sandbox then
supple bane
Oh this is a good few years before my time
molten bramble
Graphics were as important in the late-80s/early-90s as the Internet was in the mid-90s - beyond.
Prior to that, most of us were on console/terminal screens.
Hah, I still have two cards from this line.
molten bramble
I'm going to contact the people that made it and see if they will give me the file to try and update it.
supple bane
because all of this is irrelevant now and it would be cool to see the family tree of vega 64 and shit
I have never heard of 99% of these cards
molten bramble
supple bane
Iām trying to find some more stupidly priced stuff here now lol, because Iām in Spain, all the ads are from Spanish companyās, I got one for a 1tb ssd earlier and it was 300 usd
so now Iām just searching through all the part categoryās to laugh at stupid pricing
molten bramble
https://www.diamondmm.com <-- how are they still in business?
violet plank
wasn't diamond a german company
molten bramble
Nope
violet plank
wow,it's actually really the real thing
ah
i think i thought about elsa
they did some cards similar as diamond
but yeah,how are they still in business lol
both had pretty high quality cards on the market at the same time iirc
lol,things you find on google
wanna buy some matrox card @molten bramble ?
molten bramble
lol, I'm good
violet plank
didn't knew they were still sold
brisk vector
I nee help
So I got a Ryzen 7 3700x and I put it in and it didn't work so I updated bios to the newest version and cleared the CMOS and everything runs at 1 fps idk why
forest token
my first real 3d experience came from a diamon multimedia 3d accelerator that you connected via vga to your video card
also came with some an oem version of quake 2 which was one of my first multiplayer first person shooters, and tanarus which has flying invisible tanks with 4 way capture the flag 
oak forum
I've got an ASUS TUF Gaming FX-504 Laptop. Would I be able to run 1 or V at any sort of decent framerate?
forest token
do you know if the gtx 1060 is 3GB or 6 GB?
oak forum
How does one check?
forest token
download gpu-z
or you may not have the 1060
so tell me what you do have
and then if you have the i7 or the i5
you can try the games with origin access ($5) or a free 10 hour trial I believe
if you do origin access and don't want to continue after a month make sure to cancel it so it doesn't auto collect money from you after 30 days
steep gust
task manager should tell you
supple bane
what the fuck, remember I said 1tb 2.5ā ssdāS over here were 300 usd, well m.2 1tb ssdāS are only 120 usd 
this country doesnāt make sense
I want my British pricing back
supple bane
there isnāt a problem there
that is perfectly fine
believe it or not, playing games is an intensive task
as long as your cooling is sufficient, Dont worry about it
supple bane
Just donāt worry about it, my gpu sits at 100% constantly when playing games, so in your case it isnāt even that bad
So seriously donāt worry about it
Those percentages are completely normal
lofty light
@proven hawk you can turn up the render scale for sure but just check the frames, especially if you don't have freesync/gsync
violet plank
ffs,why are there still almost no cases with frontpanel usb-c 
while every mid to higher end mobo has an internal usb-c plug
latent light
Lian-Li pc-011 has a USB-C on frontpanel
hoary steppe
My soundās glitched on XB1. Canāt hear the game. Any solutions?
reef pasture
Close BFV and open it again
Hard reset your Xbox by holding the power button for 10 or so seconds and wait 30 seconds then power it back on
molten coral
How difficult is it to do watercooling? I kinda wanna buy the Lian Li 011 and a watercooling system would be awesome with it.
steep gust
Depends on how grand you want to go
molten coral
Was thinking about 400/500 euro for case + cooling.
violet plank
forgot to say i need a big tower @latent light
latent light
that tower is pretty big
steep gust
@molten coral Soft or hard tubing?
CPU + GPU or just CPU?
How many radiators
Pump + res or separate?
Its a like $100 case I would recommend CPU only and soft tubing
violet plank
oh,it's kinda cube like,didn't see that,gonna check it out further,thx
if you have nothing,you'll need at least 300.- even for soft tubing
steep gust
For blocks I go with heatkiller
Radiators are will perform about the same unless you go for the extreme ones that take some serious fans
Fittings just go with like Barrow or another fitting with no logos (ek isn't worth the cost)
Tubing is tubing
Go with a real D5 pump and a like acrylic / glass res for the clarity
violet plank
you gonna break things,or do things wrong the first time
you need test equipment to prevent that
steep gust
Soft tubing is fucking cheap so who cares if you ruin some
and no you won't break any hardware unless you do something stupid
latent light
is it bad to have waterloop run through the GPU first and the CPU?
violet plank
ppl always do stupid things
molten coral
Kinda wanna do hardtubing because it looks 200% better then soft but anyways i'm a huge noob with this so i'm going to some more reading
steep gust
GPUs are much more temperature sensitive anyways, so its best to run it first
violet plank
i built dozens of custom loops,i have my experience
steep gust
Hard tubing is just time consuming
violet plank
you need tools for hard toobs
latent light
my brother has the glass tube bending kit
steep gust
"tools"
You can do hard tubing with a knife
if you want to buy a shit ton of fittings
violet plank
aha,you bend those with a knife ?
steep gust
bends aren't required?
violet plank
molten coral
I would rather use fittings
violet plank
good luck with that and a clean look
steep gust
That adds like $100+ in fittings
but its not hard to pull off
as long as you don't use a ton of radiators
violet plank
if you do hard tubes,do yourself a favor and do it right
steep gust
are you really gatekeeping hard tubing?
Over his choice to use fittings instead of bends
violet plank
and for your first build use soft tubes,you can always add hard tubes later
steep gust
yeah go with what you want first
If you go soft you will now need to buy every fitting again to go hard
molten coral
Waste of money tbh, if i'm gonna do it i'm going to do it right the first time.
steep gust
Fittings cost a lot
violet plank
don't forget a loop outlet valve š
molten coral
That is fine, I mean I don't mind spending money on my hobby.
Was thinking about spending around 500 but if it gets more then that so be it
violet plank
could work with 500,but that's the low end
steep gust
Well considering a full cover GPU block is $150
Good luck doing a CPU + GPU loop for $500
CPU only for $500 is ez
violet plank
cause it will cause the most noise
you have to isolate it anyways
and it's the highest risk of failure
a cheap pump
steep gust
random Chinese D5s are not good
violet plank
and get monitoring stuff,too see flow,voltage,rpm and stuff
and prepare yourself for a lot of maintenance
violet plank
if he want's to go all the way,that it is
that's a good pump
that lianli dosen't work @latent light ,need to build a pure air cooled sys,that one is for liquid designed
seen a cooler master i think,but looks ugly af and has a really poor design
Cooler Master Cosmos C700P
vagrant quartz
Air cooling master race 
violet plank
and be quiet has one with usb-c aswell,but that has a bad airflow aswell cause isolated
vagrant quartz
which one, the dark base 700?
vagrant quartz
ah ok
i have the 700 and its pretty good
cooling a r5 3600 with a dark rock 4 at 65 during gaming
vagrant quartz
i put 3 more 140mm fans in there, with high static pressure
violet plank
noise ?
vagrant quartz
bc airflow is kinda limited with that no mesh front
violet plank
yeah
vagrant quartz
cant hear it under the table
violet plank
hmm
vagrant quartz
in idle its whisper quiet
supple bane
Noise is something that has never bothered me
vagrant quartz
under load its noticable but noctua, the v64nitro+ and be quiet fans dont produce annoying noise so its fine
supple bane
Cooling performance>noise
vagrant quartz
^
vagrant quartz
although i dont wanna hear my pc when im just doing desktop stuff with the headset off
violet plank
yep
supple bane
idc, I donāt mind the noise
vagrant quartz
yeah they have pretty good static pressure
they do
but in the front you cant fit 3 140s, only 2 140s and a 120
violet plank
ah nice to know,very nice,ty
vagrant quartz
then 2 140s as exhaust (1 back 1 top)
violet plank
noctua are way better
vagrant quartz
yeah they are
violet plank
thought they wouldn't fit
vagrant quartz
as much as i love be quiet stuff
violet plank
cause silent wings have weird mountings
vagrant quartz
i did have to buy new screws as nocuta screws were silver (all black build) and the be quiet ones didnt fit
violet plank
noctua are about the same silent in low rpm
vagrant quartz
yeah definitely
supple bane
Iām in love with deepcool atm
vagrant quartz
i do like be quiets cases for their asthaetics and psus for quality
and coolers for a mix
supple bane
The rf120ās are awesome
vagrant quartz
ofc noctuas cpu coolers are better, but they look like shit
supple bane
They are best in closed cases
supple bane
most servers I have seen use noctuas for cooling
vagrant quartz
i used noctuas industrial fans
violet plank
noctua has some black ones,but they are loud af,cause 3k+rpm
vagrant quartz
they are black and high static pressure
supple bane
Jesus
vagrant quartz
ofc 3000 rpm is jet engine
violet plank
you used those ?
vagrant quartz
but if you set the fan curve in the bios its silent and efficent
supple bane
I would get some blowiematrons if you didnāt need a extra power supply for them
violet plank
lol
supple bane
they pull like 5 amps each
violet plank
no way
supple bane
Iām not kidding
vagrant quartz
what are the specs of the system yorue gonna build?
vagrant quartz
these are perfectly fine too. the 3ks were cheaper for me
violet plank
ah ok
hoary ember
why does freesync suck at cs go
supple bane
Ye I looked i couldnāt find anything on it
violet plank
158.32 CFM for 3k rpm ones
vagrant quartz
m^3/h is the metric eqivalent
violet plank
lol,cheap
supple bane
thatās still pretty expensive for a fan tho
vagrant quartz
total steal
violet plank
they are worth it
supple bane
I canāt complain about my deepcool bois
violet plank
if you can run them silent like the normal ones,that would be awesome
never tried that
vagrant quartz
you can definitely
violet plank
but i will now
supple bane
26 pound for 3 fans, they look great, 60 cfm, they come with a bunch of hubs and splitters too
vagrant quartz
its pretty easy, you can set it in the bios
supple bane
oh and are deadly silent
vagrant quartz
i coupled it with cpu temperature as the trigger for stepping up
violet plank
or software
vagrant quartz
why install more software when the bios can do it
violet plank
on asus i usually use the software for the pwm controls
violet plank
nah,it's just for the lazy ones lol
supple bane
Yes, yes it is
vagrant quartz
if you know what youre doing bios is fine
violet plank
you don't have to enter bios all the time for changes
supple bane
well I donāt disagree
vagrant quartz
i dont touch anything where i dont know whats going on
supple bane
Bios is the best place to do it
violet plank
if you have found what you need,there is no more need for software
supple bane
Itās just annoying to get into and there is so many settings to scan through to find the multiplier it just gets obnoxious
violet plank
but until then it's just more comfortable
vagrant quartz
some bios have a search function
violet plank
at least with asus
vagrant quartz
i think asus' is on f9
violet plank
lol
supple bane
Till I blew it up
vagrant quartz
i just have the stripped down msi bios on the b450 right now, fine tho
whats your current board then?#
vagrant quartz
i have one of those in my old pc
supple bane
So I have to use an old cpu for now 
violet plank
on that build it's gonna be a asus x570 strix-e
supple bane
Iām getting a replacement board when I get back home and I canāt wait for it, as this old cpu sucks asssss
vagrant quartz
rip
violet plank
3900x
vagrant quartz
nice
vagrant quartz
i got cheap e-die and oced it to 3600 cl16
violet plank
16 16 16 34
vagrant quartz
ez pz
violet plank
and i need 2x 16gig
vagrant quartz
well yeah mines got worse primary timings
supple bane
If you eint video editing there is no point
violet plank
video and photo editing
supple bane
only game I have seen use 16gb is minecraft with shaders
vagrant quartz
when its totally wasted on gaming
violet plank
i would even go 64gig,but no chance for 2 x 32gig
supple bane
Why donāt you get 4x8gb?
violet plank
and 4x is crap on daisy chain layout
supple bane
ah
supple bane
looks better tho 
violet plank
4x is good for t-topology
vagrant quartz
are there no t topology 570s?
violet plank
asrock taichi
but that board is a failure by desgin
check the usb-c internal header
vagrant quartz
does it not have one?
violet plank
any gaming gpu covers it
vagrant quartz
lmao
violet plank
no,wrong place lol
supple bane
I still need to find myself a new board tbf
Iām not going to get the same as I blew up
I want something different
vagrant quartz
do you need a x570
violet plank
and there are massive complaints about the chipset cooler,sit right on top of the gpu exhaust
supple bane
Nah, most likely going to get b450
vagrant quartz
sorry i meant isuni
supple bane
oh
vagrant quartz
yeah you should definitely get b450 for 3700x and under imo
violet plank
well yes and no,x470 boards have no qvl for high clock rams
don't wanna waste money
vagrant quartz
yeah but boards are not the main limiting factor in ram ocing
its the memory controller in the cpu
violet plank
i just dunno if it would work
vagrant quartz
and a lot of them updated their qvls with zen 2
violet plank
all qvl list for x470 are for ryzen second gen
no 2x16 gig stick support on high freq
violet plank
think gigabyte has one
on t-topology
4x8 3200 cl14
iirc those ram are not available aswell lol
err not on stock
vagrant quartz
ah rip cant post links
vagrant quartz
there are quite a few x470s with t-topology
violet plank
that's the one with t-top
and 3200 cl14 support
4x8 gig
all the others are only 2x8gig max
but the backpanel
clear cmos button,what idiot designed that lol
vagrant quartz
lmao there are even b450s with t-toplogy
violet plank
right beside the power button
vagrant quartz
lul yeah gigabyte design often is rather questionable
violet plank
let's power up,oh,cleared cmos lol
the asus x570 strix-e has very good vrm's,almost the same as the hero,and according to reddit,chipset fan is dead silent
violet plank
i know lol
vagrant quartz
thing that bugs me most about x570s tbh
latent light
X570 can do 4x32GB
violet plank
true
i would love 2x32gig,but nothing on the market atm
not with good timings at least
waiting for samsung m-dies
twilit pewter
Will there be cross platform
latent light
32GB sticks are in high demand in server market so it's pretty hard to get them
4x16GB should do 2666-3000 MHz on X570
4x32GB could probably only do 2400 MHz at best
latent light
the 1060 has been out of production for a year
violet plank
curious if the x670 boards still will have active fans
supple bane
in so glad I donāt live over here
violet plank
lmao
latent light
how much is the 1660 there
latent light
I'm sure Spain includes tax with the final price unlike the US too
vagrant quartz
meanwhile i got my v64 nitro+ for 300ā¬ in germany
supple bane
Maybe
vagrant quartz
which also has 19% vat
latent light
germany gets good deals on AMD cards
supple bane
I would have got my mobo while Iām in Spain but I have no where to deliver it to
vagrant quartz
i wonder why that is
supple bane
because they are cheaper over here
vagrant quartz
nvidia is even more overpriced in comparison, than in the us
supple bane
intel is super over priced in the U.K.
I think at least
thatās why everyone Ik in the U.K. is either on or getting ryzen
because itās just such a better option
latent light
Vega 56 is still the best value GPU
supple bane
I would say rx 580
latent light
RX 570 for budget, Vega 56 for midrange
supple bane
but why not get a 1080 second hand for 250
vagrant quartz
well used everything is cheaper
supple bane
ok then we have discussed the best value for money, whatās the worst value for money
1070ti all the way
or maybe 2060
vagrant quartz
2080ti
latent light
I've seen used Vega 64 for $150
vagrant quartz
2060 is better value than the other turing cards
supple bane
nah, itās the only card that can run 4K 60
The 2080ti I mean
so for some, itās a good card
latent light
1080ti/2080 can run 4K 60 fps on plenty of games
vagrant quartz
well if you think of 4k 60fps then everything will be terrible value excpet the top nvidia cards
latent light
2080ti just ensures consistent 60+ fps
vagrant quartz
it is still bad value though
vagrant quartz
1440p is the place to be
supple bane
not 4K
vagrant quartz
ye
supple bane
I wish there was a resolution in between 4K and 1440p
vagrant quartz
maybe you should sit further away from your monitor then
supple bane
You will see a difference going back tho
vagrant quartz
i stopped seeing pixels after my upgrade
latent light
I'm over arms length
vagrant quartz
you have some eagle eyes then sir
supple bane
going 1080 to 1440p is the exact same, going back you can see the diffencr
latent light
it depends on size of monitor
latent light
22" 1080p has same pixel density as 27" 1440p
latent light
4K 27" is sweet spot for pixel density, 24" is too small
supple bane
meh
vagrant quartz
around 1.2k in germany
violet plank
27" 1440p for me (sweetspot)
violet plank
same
vagrant quartz
had 24'' 1080p 60hz before, the difference is definitely there
violet plank
but has to be ips for me
vagrant quartz
i got mine used granty, for 280ā¬
supple bane
hmm
violet plank
wow,cheap
supple bane
I might have to look into used
vagrant quartz
yeah, i was lucky af
it does have a dead pixel in the upper left corner, but it doesnt bather me for a 230ā¬ rebate lul#
supple bane
my friend
You have given me an idea
my current monitor is 27ā too so I can have a sicko dual monitor setup
vagrant quartz
i got the mg279q 
that price will go up a fair bit though towards the end of the auction
supple bane
That one has a slight scratch
vagrant quartz
also check freesync ranges for monitors youre getting
supple bane
But I can deal with that
hoary ember
g1 series of aoc is good
vagrant quartz
mine only had 35-90. you can override that in the driver though
ips panel feels good
nice monitor isuni
supple bane
I should stop looking at parts except for motherboards for the moment tbh
Wait till I get my pc sorted
Then start oooking at other things to blow my money on
steep gust
It would technically lose the mildest performance
but not in any meaningful impact
Like margin of error on benchmarking software impact
The biggest impact of a second monitor is your GPU will idle higher
molten bramble
Nice. Talked to the guy that built the map in the pins, he's all about the assist because he's short on time himself to get into 2015-beyond.
If anyone wants to suggest some GPUs from 2015 (the starting point) that they can recall, let me know and I'll add it to the index I'm going to start building.
Feel free to ping me for these inputs.
steep gust
2015 was Kepler right
You shouldn't have as much trouble from 2015 onwards thanks to less competitors
molten bramble
I think it was
Most of it I suspect I'll be able to find via Google/Wikipedia, etc., however, I know there have been some proprietary GPU stuff used in imagers/CTs/etc.
So anyone has some ideas about that as well, might be useful to include.
steep gust
There is the dual radeon 7 for the mac pro
prime jasper
are you including APUs as well?
molten bramble
I was considering that--right now concentrating on GPUs for slots, but may get into integrated components. I'll need to talk to him about that, because he may not want to go in that direction.
Ultimately, his project, his call.
latent light
B450 Tomahawk is the best value motherboard for 3rd gen Ryzen
it can flash BIOS without a CPU or memory
hoary ember
what should i do for no tearing in bfv
freesync is on
vsync is off
still looks like stuttering
prime jasper
stuttering and tearing are 2 different things though
hoary ember
stuttearing
that's what it is
i get around 100fps and it is not smooth
Ok i solved tearing but still not smooth
latent light
BFV is a stuttery game
most youtubers with $3000 PCs complain about performance and stutter
especially LevelCap and Jackfrags
hoary ember
Really :/
latent light
performance was better in 2018 than now
latent light
wouldn't preorder any cod or battlefield game
supple bane
thinking about it now, I might overclock my cpu when I get my new motherboard 
but that means good bye b450
now I need to look into what chipset is best for me and is overclockable
latent light
BFV stutters on Ryzen, mainly has to do with the game and Windows 10 not properly choosing cores
prime jasper
dx12 is better for Ryzen anyway
latent light
microsoft is going to work more closely with AMD soon to fix issues
hoary ember
I hope
supple bane
Jesus, x470 is so expensive 
whatās the differences between x470 and x370??
reef ermine
Any one having issues with origin saying online login is currently not available?
Iāve tried everything and no luck
brisk vector
My origin doesnt load it is stuck in the loading screen forever
cosmic warren
My game doesnt launch
All rdy talked to ea support. But there has to be something that they dont lnow rhat might work.
prime jasper
reinstall everything if all else fails
prime jasper
and origin? try rebooting after
cosmic warren
Yea
I can try again
Bwcause i reinstalled game but didnt reboot.
All the ea support was before i reinstalled game.
red trellis
someone knows why logitech ghub uses the 50% of the cpu when i play?
and if the logitech g432 is compatible with logi gaming software (not ghub)
lofty light
No clue, I'm still on the old LGS as it's better
I want the g502 but I assume that one won't work with LGS
slate rivet
Anyone use microsoft intune?
supple bane
@red trellis just use Logitech gaming software, itās better in every way, and it will most likely be compatible and @lofty light the g502 is compatible with LGS, itās the mouse I use and also the software I use
azure scroll
Ryzen 3 1200 OC to 3.7 ghz
GTX 1060 OC
2x 8gigs 2400mhz ram
Battlefield 1 : low settings , getting avg. Of 20fps
Pls help
gaunt sapphire
@azure scroll What the matter ?
lofty light
@azure scroll sounds like a definite CPU limitation there mate
That's quite a low end CPU and battlefield is VERY CPU intensive
cosmic warren
wow
i love how all i had to do was reinstall windows. Reformat the drive that bfv was on
then bfv finally launched once I did that.
like wtf
azure scroll
Other people's run it fine tho
@lofty light
reef ermine
Ryzen 1200 can easily run battlefield 1 with no issues sounds like driver issues
azure scroll
What can I do ?
My gpu drivers are up to date
cosmic warren
oh what 1060 is it?
reef ermine
What rƩsultions are using 1080p etc
cosmic warren
3gb pr 6gb
reef ermine
Hmm
azure scroll
3gb oc
reef ermine
Is it on ultra
reef ermine
Oh
cosmic warren
yeah that cards pretty crappy for this game.
but i dont think thats the right fps you should be getting its not that crappy
reef ermine
Lol I can run bf1 on 720p with HD 5670 1gb heās more then fine
azure scroll
Fuccc
reef ermine
Iām planning to get 970 soon
reef ermine
Nah canāt here in Canada rx 570 goes for 200$ while 970 goes for 130
azure scroll
Any suggestions for me?
azure scroll
Gigabyte ab350m
cosmic warren
maybe backup game, reinstall windows, download chipset drivers, gpu drivers and make sure windows up to date.
but before doing that do make sure the games really running at 1080p. because if its for some reason at 4k then theres your issue
reef ermine
Lol at least you can use origin I canāt Iām talking to live chat because support because origin says online login is currently unavailable
cosmic warren
i dont get it you trying to run bf1 or bfv?
download chipset drivers, gpu drivers and make sure windows up to date.
azure scroll
Bf1
cosmic warren
damn man
yeah when i said 1060 3gb crappy
i mean for bfv
bf1 it should shred through
azure scroll
Its too much laggy
cosmic warren
so you gotta figure out your drivers and see if your gpu is running properly too
whats your temps, core clock and all that when gaming on bf1
for the gpu
cosmic warren
yeah just do all that stuff i mentioned except for resintalling windows since you did that all ready. And maybe make sure DX12 is off too. And disable gpu memory restrictions that could be killing your fps at least it did for me back in the day.
cosmic warren
yeah i dont understand why bf1 looks better than bf1 graphically and yet it runs better and suppodely from an article i read bfv is running off an older engine of frostbite to allow for more optimization yet it runs like shit and looks slightly worse especially when i first played this game
so did you install chipset drivers?
azure scroll
Motherboard drivers ?
cosmic warren
yeah
azure scroll
Nah let me do it
cosmic warren
but its not just mobo drivers its literaly called am4 chipset drivers.
so that might help you
azure scroll
I'm going off for some time
Can I dm u after I come back ?
cosmic warren
sure
azure scroll
Thx
cosmic warren
damn man been trying to run bfv all day.
and all it took was reinstalling win10. and reformatting the second drive that bfv was running on like wtf.
cosmic warren
oh yeah bb
@reef ermine And if you want really good performance if you plan on playing bfv RX 580 8gb is good : )
cosmic warren
yeah thats why i dont like 1060 3gb because when i first bought this game when it launched i had to run this game at all low settings to hit 60 fps
and even 1050 ti same story but even lower then 60 fps lol
violet plank
3 gigs of ram is just too low these days for gaming
cosmic warren
But if you plop like an RX 480 8gb, RX 580 8gb with like bfv for example man its amazing.
violet plank
yeah
cosmic warren
Oh yeah definitely its sad
especailly with nvidia having their lower end cards for this gen with 6gb of vram they going to suffer pretty soon
violet plank
best bang for buck on bfv should be 5700 (xt) atm i guess
cosmic warren
thats why they released RTX 2060 8gb super
hell yeah
put that like mod that lets you oc to 1080 ti like performance and you even more set
violet plank
curious if the 5700xt will surpass the 1080ti in all games as the driver matures
atm 1080ti performs better on most games
20-30% in most of em
and 1080ti overclocks really good,dunno about the 5700
cosmic warren
but yeah best fps for max 1080p is minimum ryzen 5 1600, 16gb DDR4 3000, RX 580 8gb.
@violet plank maybe
they're still releasing more higher end cards
violet plank
maybe undervolt like vega56 dunno
navi 20 ?
next year hopefully
Q1 2020 is the rumor,but that's all there is atm
cosmic warren
yeah but regardless just the little what we have is pretty damn good
alls i can say is dont play bfv with a quadcore
steep gust
@cosmic warren RX580 doesn't have the horsepower to validate 8GB of VRAM
BFV does not load up more than 4GB of VRAM with actual textures (it may allocated more but allocated =/= used) for 1080p 
cosmic warren
When i was using it im pretty sure it went over 4gb.
What do you mean doesnt justify performance have you used an rx 580 8gb gb in bfv its awesome.
Over 60 fps.
At max.
steep gust
You can't see the real VRAM usage
You just see the allocated VRAM in task manager
which is BFV going "I need this much VRAM"
8GB of VRAM is 1440p / 4k range
and the RX580 can't do that
cosmic warren
Probably not at max.
Ok dude whatevea rx 580 8gb great for 1080p over 60 fps max settings brah.
steep gust
Its a good card for 1080p 60hz
Not much more
but its also like $150 and doesn't need to be
cosmic warren
Ok but i mean i never said it was best for 1440p 4k max settings so.....
I buy it used why would anyone buy rx 580 new lol
Like a 2 yr. Old card.
steep gust
and yes a 1060 can do 4k
as long as I play at minimum settings and pull up NVInspector to drop the level of detail to the game looking like it came out 15 years ago
That doesn't make it a pleasant experience
cosmic warren
Ok....
And with 8gb vram even slightly better experience.
But i mean no ones going to do that unless your playing single player and have 4k tv, monitor.
I just said it can run it never said hey everyone go buy 580 8gb for 1440p and 4k. Again i just said 1080p max over 60 and its fantastic.
End of story.
steep gust
Compute power
even if I was to overclock it to some impossible figure, it would still struggle at 4k
hoary ember
guys
my rams are working on 1467 mhz
why
ı got kmode_exception_not_handled error this morning
while playing fifa
steep gust
DDR is doubled data rate
So the effective clock (the one on the box) is double the real clock
steep gust
Assus always does
pallid silo
Anyone know how to overclock and undervolt a vega 64?
latent light
WattMan
latent light
too high, won't be stable
storm osprey
@steep gust per pc component what brands do you personally get?
storm osprey
so when you say assus you dont generally disregard them
just having fun with the name?
steep gust
Oh Assus for X570 would be a mistake
but their Z370 boards are fine
Z390 is overpriced