technology

[steep gust]

$1100

for worse support and performance

[lofty light]

Imo the main use of SLI is to look awesome

When I had an sli setup very few games benefited much if at all

[outer sage]

tech? more like hecc

[long sphinx]

5700 is 330

280ish at black friday

[fallow rock]

hey does anyone here use paypal i have a question

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD2so7Ke8lg

nvidia hates modders

[alpine haven]

That dude is massively annoying.

[violet plank]

gonna wait for navi 20,hope for an early 2020 release

they will need a lot of chips for the new xbox/ps5 tho

[molten bone]

anyone know why my bfv is stuttering with a ryzen 7 2700 and rtx 2080?

[prime jasper]

are you using dx11?

[rain quartz]

I use dx12

And what settings

[steep gust]

@latent light NVidia has hated modders since Pascal (and Maxwell was the start)

Turing is fucking garbage for modders

The current balancing is really annoying since they used a decent VRM controller but locked the BIOS

[rigid knoll]

What do you guys think of this almost heartbeat like stutter in both BFV and BF1? Singular spike columns with pretty regular intervals __|__|__|__ for some seconds or so, then away for few seconds until spiking again. The regularity of it makes me think it's SSD related, since there doesn't appear to be clear correlation with what's happening on the screen.

[modest cobalt]

in the first few minutes of a battlefield 5 session im at 20 fps

then after a few minutes i get back to 60

sometimes i have to change the graphics settings then change them back to what they were before to coax it to fix

this happes every time i play

i7 6700k + gtx 980 + ddr4

pls help 😰

[latent light]

how much ram

[modest cobalt]

oh

16 g

gb

[prime jasper]

should be getting more than 60 anyway. update all your drivers/bios and Windows for that matter

[modest cobalt]

i did

i might be getting more than 60 idk

its capped

[prime jasper]

are you on build 1903?

[modest cobalt]

how do i check

[prime jasper]

start > run > winver

hit enter

[modest cobalt]

yes i am

[prime jasper]

turn off vsync, try toggling ffr too

[modest cobalt]

vsync already off

im not sure what ffr is i will check rn

[prime jasper]

future frame rendering

might as well try uncapping too

[modest cobalt]

I've tried that

Doesnt ffr add input delay

[prime jasper]

it can

[modest cobalt]

Ffr didnt fix it

[supple bane]

do you have single channel ram ?

or is it dual channel ?\

[steep gust]

This isn't FPS support

[latent light]

[modest cobalt]

@steep gust where should i ask questions? not in this discord?

[supple bane]

!!support

[silent oasis]

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[modest cobalt]

ohhh noo hahaha

one time a few years back i called them because i got 300 ping in every bf4 server

they told me to replace my hard drive

it ended up being a really hard to find windows setting that i had to change

[supple bane]

that just sounds like that you were joining servers based really far away

[modest cobalt]

nope

cmon dude

i just told you that i fixed it through some weird windows setting

[supple bane]

i dont disagree

[steep gust]

Try a discord with dedicated tech support

[supple bane]

im just saying thats what is sounds like

[modest cobalt]

oh gotcha

@steep gust i will try to find one thanks

actually i may have figured out the cause

i was testing it without headphones and i realized my gpu didnt get loud until like a minute into the game

about when the fps went up to 60

i think msi afterburner might be fucking with it

just uninstalled

[grizzled apex]

I never mess with overclocking. It messes everything up and voids warrentys

[sour meteor]

do oc it wont void your waranty unless you do somthing really stupid

[prime jasper]

Offtopic, but does anyone else's PS4 sound like a Jet Engine?

[sour meteor]

with a blue ray in or does it sound like that without a disk?

[prime jasper]

Hmm let me test it. With a disc it makes a noise, I'll remove it right now.

Yeah, still makes a noise...

I tried vacuuming the back and cleaning the dust though might just have to buy some tools

[storm osprey]

yea my ps4 pro is fucking stupidly loud

i literally hacked my tv stand to put fans behind it to make it quieter

[prime jasper]

Not a bad idea...

Does it work at it's best?

[storm osprey]

uhhh, idk how to answer that lol

it definitely helps lower the volume

[prime jasper]

Lmao I'll take it!

[storm osprey]

i built a pc into the same desk, so figured ill cut out some fan spots too

[prime jasper]

Not bad, Not to proud of my setup though I think I can fit a fan...
I recently bought a mic and everyone just hears Bbrrrrrerrrrr Lmao it's embarrassing sometimes, can't even hear myself though I'll just have to try that.

[storm osprey]

lol yea thankfully i dont play my ps4 online

[prime jasper]

Lol there you have it 😂

[storm osprey]

got like 6 fans in my main gaming pc to keep it quiet xD

i live in arizona too, so shits hot

[prime jasper]

Omg 😂 Dude Me too! I can totally understand that

I got fans in each room like turrets swaying back and forth

[latent light]

@grizzled apex overclocking is always safe, just make sure never feed too much voltage

don't go above 1.4v on any CPU

I think 1.35v is the max for 3rd gen Ryzen

[grizzled apex]

@latent light is third generation Rysen outs

[latent light]

Comes out in 3 days

[storm osprey]

isnt it 4 days?

7/7

[latent light]

3.5

Btw, Ryzen 7 2700X only $200 at micro center

[clear coyote]

It's going to be outdated soon

[lofty light]

Yeah I wouldn't bite on a 2700 when Zen 2 is there in like a week

[steep gust]

@sour meteor RMA'ing overclocked hardware is called fraud

and is not for discussion here

[sour meteor]

.... in no way did i talk about rma, i said overclocking is safe and no most oc wont void your waranty if no physical or bios change been made

so calm down

[steep gust]

Okay

So

Overclocking does void your warranty, please point me to the line in the warranty agreement that says it doesn't

Overclocking requires changing BIOS settings (XTU is changing them after its booted)

[molten bramble]

Didn't technically US courts rule years ago on behalf of consumers that modifications to a consumer purchase item that may alter performance doesn't necessarily void a warranty, provided the performance enhancement was in-line with manufacturers acceptable use thresholds?

I know that's the case with vehicles for sure where bolt-on products such as exhaust and air intakes were deemed acceptable.

Ah yes, for the vehicles it was a part of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

"Passed in 1975, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a federal law that governs warranties on consumer products. Under this Act, sellers and manufacturers of consumer products must provide consumers with detailed information about warranty coverage. Sponsored by Senator Warren G. Magnuson of Washington and U.S. Representative John E. Moss of California, this Act affects both the obligations of warrantors and the rights of consumers under written warranties."

[coarse nimbus]

Absolutely mad hydra daring to suggest betrayed could possibly be wrong about something he said

[molten bramble]

It's not an issue of right or wrong. It's just about keeping ourselves informed. Hell, I may be incorrect in the application of this myself.

Hmm... not bad for fiber with three feeds, two servers, and a download going atm.

That’s just the WiFi.

[wind laurel]

cries in far less speeds

[steep gust]

@molten bramble key words here in-line with manufacturers acceptable use thresholds?

Overclocking is running out of spec

and isn't covered

[molten bramble]

Is it though? Most manufacturers sell over-clockable chipsets with the intent of the user doing so, same with MBs.

[steep gust]

and yet Intel doesn't advertise their CPUs to hit "X speed overclocked"

or they would just run that factory

[molten bramble]

If your chip can be OC'd to 5Ghz, but you run it up to 5.2Ghz, then yeah, you've gone out of constraints.

[steep gust]

Its like advertising your engine as 1000hp

as long as you modify it

[molten bramble]

I dunno, I don't think chip manufacturers would be providing YTers with special chipsets for this unless it was intended use to proof what their chips can handle.

Otherwise, it's sending a mixed message which also could be argued in a case.

[steep gust]

You still agree to the warranty terms

Which doesn't cover overclocking

[molten bramble]

Warranty terms are suggestions of coverage for repair/replacement by a manufacturer. The consumer is not required to agree. They paid no additional sum for the warranty, which is why it typically has limitations.

[steep gust]

Its like you running your engine at a higher horsepower without doing any real modifications (running a different fuel, etc) then trying to sue the company when they deny your warranty when your engine explodes "since it was within spec*"

[molten bramble]

Use does not constitute agreement, such as why the act mentioned was put in place.

[steep gust]

*spec is not the intended usage

[molten bramble]

Same thing with EULAs.

Microsoft got sued for that years ago. Part of the reason they ended up in an anti-trust suit.

In any case, people should tread carefully, I would agree.

[steep gust]

The computer version of your car example (using a different air intake, etc) would be buyer a better heatsink

Its not violating any warranties since its not changing any performance

[molten bramble]

Perhaps. I guess we won't really know until someone sues AMD for such an issue.

[steep gust]

now if you decide to run an inferior air intake that fails to cool your oil

and your engine seizes

The company who made the engine isn't liable

Since you are running it outside of spec

It would be like me disabling thermal throttling and running 120C

[molten bramble]

Air intakes bring additional volume of air into the intake plenum for distribution to the cylinders, not to cool oil. Oil coolers do that, but I understand your argument. I just don't necessarily agree with it.

It's only a matter of time before someone brings a suit against a company for warranty coverage of their electronic which had performance enhancements.

Actually, I think that did happen with Samsung for their early IP cameras.

[steep gust]

shh car parts are beyond me

its just fun to go fast

[molten bramble]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsung-smartcam-can-be-easily-hacked-and-hijacked-researchers-find/ I think this was the issue that sparked the suit by a DIYer, but I can't find the case.

I'll have to look at their 10-K filing in that year another time to see if it mentions it.

[rigid knoll]

Is the Asus EZ Flash over internet reliable, or should I just stick with the USB?

[steep gust]

just use a USB

[prime jasper]

My lads,My Headphones make strange buzzing noises when im playing Battlefield V and I dont know how to fix em.Any help ?

[steep gust]

try a different audio jack

[rigid knoll]

I guess it could be variety of things.. Does it happen in any other games? Does adjusting in-game audio options have any effect? My first guess would be static from bad grounding

[prime jasper]

I mean,I got these new headphones today and only tried em on BFV

[rigid knoll]

Well then you got to rule out the headphones hardware first by trying them on different things

[supple bane]

ye try youtube or something

[prime jasper]

Im watching a YT video right now and there are no buzzing sounds

[supple bane]

im glad you think that, now go complain somewhere else

gotta keep those cool vibes dooddd

[rigid knoll]

Practically never crashes on me so idk 🤷

[slim stone]

im having hard core issues earlier this morning with bf5

registering and weird lag spikes but its not my internet

[reef pasture]

There has been issues with Battlefield V lately and I am hoping the hotfix today will fix it.

[slim stone]

me too..

i have to agree as420

i love the battlefield games tho... not one like it at all. full scale warefare

but the gameplay this morning after the update is so unbearable

i posted on EA forums about it

hopefully more ppl tell them to get it fixed

[steep gust]

@tiny flower This is not the place

This is for discussion of tech, not your personal bitch channel

!mute @ASF420#4453 24h Please take this time to review the rules

[silent oasis]

⚠ User is not on the server. Use !forcemute if you want to mute them anyway.

[steep gust]

[granite kestrel]

already muted

[supple bane]

well damn

[latent light]

[supple bane]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07KR2428C/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I was trawling through amazon looking at coolers, and I come across this

This seems useless to me

[steep gust]

it uh

Looks questionable

[molten coral]

[steep gust]

its not great

eh if you plan to ever stream long term

a dedicated streaming rig for a few hundred USD is a good move

Hell with how cheap Zen / Zen+ is

You can do a gnarly stream system for like $200-250

you don't need a GPU for a stream machine

[steep gust]

because a dedicated machine gives you way more control over your stream and can be entirely dedicated to it (better quality)

If something happens to your gaming machine, you don't all the sudden drop a stream, etc

[molten bramble]

The quality of a live stream won’t matter though with shit Internet that can’t support such quality, which is the majority of what folks streaming have. NVENC is a good solution for that majority.

Removes a lot of the bloat, takes a lot off the machine, relieves the additional pressure of under performance for the streamer so they can concentrate on something else like gaming, engagement, etc.

And all packaged in a size that is flexible to the constraints of less than optimal internet connectivity.

So no, a second machine isn’t always the best solution for everyone, and the choice to use NVENC is a sensible one.

[lofty light]

And this is why the new ryzen processors look great for streamers, as they're supposedly much better to the point of not needing a separate streaming pc

[steep gust]

oh having a second PC will always be a thing due to some of the abilities you gain

[lofty light]

Of course, but hopefully it'll be less of a necessity

[latent light]

why doesn't Nvidia make a binned 1660 Ti with an 8-pin

[loud pagoda]

Someone owns a pair logitech g933 ?

[hard creek]

@loud pagoda i do

[loud pagoda]

Do you have problems aswell ?

[hard creek]

Some minor problems but nothing big

What problems do you have with yours?

[lofty light]

I own some too @loud pagoda

[loud pagoda]

Ouh the usb will connect and disconnect like all the time. It's so damn annoying

[lofty light]

Had to replace them under warranty once

[hard creek]

Yeah I had to do the same

[lofty light]

And now the mic occasionally stops muting

[loud pagoda]

So now i putted in my urvban ears headphone charger

Yhe the mute problem i also have

[hard creek]

I had it until I replaced them

[loud pagoda]

Can you return them even if you do not have the receipt

? *

[lofty light]

Depends on where you got them

The shop I got them from has digital receipts so I didn't even need to worry about it

[loud pagoda]

ok , i guess i have to go to the shop and ask then. 😃

[rigid knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhb7Njj3h8 Linus did a nice test between wired and wireless mice sensor latencies

Wai no preview?

[lofty light]

Only if you're a regular

[rigid knoll]

Fine 😐

I guess that's not time based, but how much I talk on the server?

At which rank/level does one become a regular?

[molten bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlR1LVMREf4

[signal forge]

Hello! saniteter requesting tech support

anyone online?\

[steep gust]

This isn't tech support

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAketc8BCzw

some improvements I guess

[steep gust]

The difference is asking for dedicated tech support and like "why is X event happening"

[latent light]

we need to make rules

[steep gust]

The average person asking for tech support here also does it poorly and it ends up 15 minutes worth of "check your RAM" "check your drivers" "check your basic item" that can be solved be google

Maybe I'll type up a "Asking for tech support requires these X, Y, Z details" to help cut down on the dumb google posts

[latent light]

people ask why their game is crashing like we are programmers that can rewrite game code and fix it for them

[steep gust]

idk maybe read the crash logs

[latent light]

[steep gust]

Guys my game is crashing with a directX error

that can't mean my GPU overclock is unstable

must be my BIOS

https://hwbot.org/submission/4188198_ ayy 5.5ghz on an AIO

[latent light]

cinebench time

[steep gust]

That is with two cores

I can only do like 5.35 on cinebench before thermals become an issue

[supple bane]

for some reason, i cant go over 3.9 ghz without cinebench crashing

im assuming i need more voltage, but then thermals become an issue

[steep gust]

Thermals also impact stability greatly

I bet if I delidded and dunked my AIO in ice, i could easily gain 100-200mhz

1.55v gets toasty even with the low asfk current SuperPI draws

[latent light]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c9hayw/jebaited_scott_herkelmans_tweet_likely_referring/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Damn AMD trolled Nvidia

Whenever Nvidia announced RTX super, they dropped RX 5700 prices to undercut Nvidia

[steep gust]

uh well

we don't have any confirmation of price changes

and depending on the performance

the price drops still aren't enough to beat super

[latent light]

What happens if a product price drops and how it affects the people who preordered

Would they get money back

[steep gust]

there are no pre orders

as far as i know

[latent light]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/05/amd-nasty-surprise-for-nvidia-super-radeon-rx-5700-navi-price-drops/

[vestal falcon]

Ooo, if the Radeon RX 5700XT turns out to be $399, AMD has my money

[latent light]

probably will turn out to be $399

[molten bramble]

@steep gust Gave some suggestions in the pins before, but of course folks don't check pins.

[latent light]

RX 5700XT GPU die is only 8% larger than RX 570/580
RTX 2070 GPU die is 77% larger than RX 5700XT
RTX 2070 Super die is 117% larger than 5700XT
after 6 months, I bet the 5700XT will be ~$350
once they gain back revenue to cover the cost of R&D, they will drop prices just like they did with Vega and RX 500 series
RX 580 is now ~$170
RX 570 ~$130
Vega 56 ~$300

[steep gust]

larger die means worse yields alongside the increased cost to produce

[latent light]

why didn't Nvidia just call Super the 2100 series

RTX 2060 Super is supposedly 20% faster than 2060

as well as the 2070 Super being 20% faster than 2070

[steep gust]

or

[latent light]

2060 Super is the exact same thing as the 2070 if you think about it

[steep gust]

why didn't nvidia release super as the og cards

[latent light]

same GPU, same amount of memory, same TDP

at least it's a 2070 for $100 less

[steep gust]

isn't it a different die

[latent light]

TU-106-410 vs TU-106-400 die

same die with disabled CUDA, Tensor, RT cores

[latent light]

@steep gust holy shit

price reductions confirmed by AMD

[steep gust]

That's solid

asfk

[latent light]

5700 went down by $30, 5700XT went down by $50

[steep gust]

https://twitter.com/Radeon/status/1147248833556099072

Radeon RX (@Radeon)

AMD embraces competition, which drives innovation to the benefit of gamers. In that spirit, we’re updating the pricing for Radeon RX 5700 Series graphics cards.

Retweets

114

Likes

459

Twitter

for an actual source

[latent light]

Vega is still better value

well maybe not

[steep gust]

Probably not

[latent light]

Intel will be ahead of Ryzen 3000 in some games because microcode and engines built around Intel

Ryzen is only 2 years old at this point, game development will optimize over time

[vestal falcon]

How does the 5700XT supposedly compare to a 1070ti?

[latent light]

5700XT compares to the RTX 2070

well, slightly better

[steep gust]

@vestal falcon like 20%+

If its comparable to a 2070 which is between a 1080 and 1080ti

[rotund marsh]

makes me sad that i bought a 2070, but i am scared of going AMD..been nvidia for so long!

[steep gust]

what

your excuse for being a fanboy

is that you bought NVidia?

[latent light]

yeah don't be scared to jump ship to another company

[rotund marsh]

just been on the nvidia train for a long time and people always telling you how much better nvidia is but i beginning to think other wise as of late.

BFV finalizing takes forever!

[coarse nimbus]

so because he bought a 2070 in the recent past...and has used nvidia traditionally, as most people have...hes a fan boy theres some logic for you

[rotund marsh]

Never said i was a fan boy or whatever that means, i go with the superior product when budget allows

[atomic atlas]

[rotund marsh]

So i do use a Ryzen chip not intel

i have had issues with the 2070 and RMA'd twice, sure does make you think twice about your purchase

[atomic atlas]

Damn, I must be an apple fanboy for only buying apple products for so long

When everything music wise etc is on my apple devices

[coarse nimbus]

well that much is true

[atomic atlas]

Must be a fanboy

[coarse nimbus]

you dont even own your music you bought

[steep gust]

that makes you a fanboy who falls for the sunken cost fallacy

Imagine paying for music

[atomic atlas]

By your logic you must be a pc fanboy since you only want to play pc games

@coarse nimbus you must be a battlefield fanboy since you played all the battlefield games

[steep gust]

There is a big difference between playing the (subjectively) better platform

and sticking to a shit ecosystem and paying a premium for a phone that gives you less just because you already spent money on it

[atomic atlas]

No platform bashing.

[steep gust]

Its not platform bashing

[atomic atlas]

Yeah how dare I afford a phone that is $1,400

How dare I earn my money

[steep gust]

You pay $1400 for a phone that gives you less you do that

Where's your headphone jack

I remember when flagship phones were $600-700 and people were pissed that Apple increased the cost by like $100

[atomic atlas]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/530905464205082638/596858038036725769/image0.jpg

There is my “headphone adapter”

[coarse nimbus]

@atomic atlas i havent played heros...or modern combat...checkmate bitch

[atomic atlas]

That comes with the iPhone X

But I must be a fanboy

[steep gust]

how do you charge your phone

and use headphones

[atomic atlas]

Bluetooth?

Use a pc?

[vestal falcon]

Imagine continuing buying into a company that charges $1,000 for a monitor stand

[atomic atlas]

Don’t use the phone when it’s charging?

[steep gust]

Imagine buying into a company that charges $6000 for a $2000 PC with an apple on it

[atomic atlas]

Yes because using my Bluetooth headset is bad

Yeah alright bucko

[steep gust]

Why would I buy a phone without a headphone jack when the cheaper competitor has one

Why pay more for less

[atomic atlas]

Then don’t buy it?

[vestal falcon]

Imagine being an Apple fan boy, people like this are why Apple can prey on cosumers oof my spelling

[atomic atlas]

BUT NO YOURE AN ANDROID FANBOY FOR NOT TRYING APPLE

[vestal falcon]

Because they are too idiotic & allow it, themselves

[atomic atlas]

Your logic

[steep gust]

I own an Apple device

its ass

[atomic atlas]

Congratulations?

I too own an Android, and it’s ass

Your point being?

[steep gust]

If Apple was competitive I would pay for them

but planned obsolescence is a shit practice to support

[atomic atlas]

Mad because you can’t afford it

[vestal falcon]

I owned the 4th iPhone, an iPod touch before than, & an iPad, also kinda sorta owned a MacBook in the past it was my highschools, not mine

LUL

@steep gust This guy

[steep gust]

Imagine your phone slowing down in a few years

because you own an iPhone

[atomic atlas]

Had it since release

[vestal falcon]

Say no more man, we can mutually agree on this guys mental state

[atomic atlas]

Hasn’t slowed down

[latent light]

imagine paying $999 for an aluminum monitor stand

[steep gust]

Apple literally admitted to slowing down older phones

[atomic atlas]

Had this iPhone 6s for years, still brand new

[steep gust]

if that ain't planned obsolescence

[atomic atlas]

[vestal falcon]

I remember my iPhone/iPod touch, simple app updates making apps undownloadable from the app store

[steep gust]

Apple intentionally makes their phones impossible to repair

[atomic atlas]

Actually that’s incorrect

[steep gust]

Show me where I can buy an iMac Pro logic board?

[atomic atlas]

You send it to apple and get them to repair it for you, or do it yourself

[vestal falcon]

The guy who makes a living off fixing Apple products will tell you how scummy Apple is
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup

[steep gust]

without losing all my fucking data due to Apple's bullshit security chip

[atomic atlas]

Can’t you live without a phone for 9 days?

What a sad life you must have

[vestal falcon]

I seriously don't see how you can continue buying into that, but people will be people

[steep gust]

I would rather

use the tools I already have

and repair it myself

[atomic atlas]

[steep gust]

but no apple has to use a bunch of proprietary bullshit

[atomic atlas]

Half the time they give you a new phone for free lol

Happened to my 5

[steep gust]

Its not free?

[atomic atlas]

You send it to them

[steep gust]

You pay for the warranty generally

[atomic atlas]

With packaging

[steep gust]

and you have to pay for the repairs (and repair warranty)

[atomic atlas]

That’s $10 aud

They send it back free

No extra charge

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrILfIE9IB4

Apple

[atomic atlas]

Get a new phone with all your shit still on that new phone

@latent light

[steep gust]

uh that is done using free software

[vestal falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVL65qwBGnw

[steep gust]

Wait

I used a basic USB to USB cable

and did that on my android phone

for free

[atomic atlas]

And?

Your point being?

[steep gust]

instead of paying apple

Apple doesn't give a shit about customers

[vestal falcon]

Remember the MacBook chip flaw that was present for the last 5 years, that they refused to fix because they charge $750 a repair for?

[steep gust]

Remember that MacBook batteries might explode?

[atomic atlas]

If they didn’t care about customers I wouldn’t have gotten the phone back

[vestal falcon]

Why fix it when you can sell a solution for premium $$$

[steep gust]

and that the logic board might die?

[vestal falcon]

[steep gust]

and the keyboard might fail because a piece of dust?

[atomic atlas]

I sense that you are mad because you can’t afford these said things

[steep gust]

@atomic atlas If they cared about customers point me to a site to buy OEM parts directly from apple

[atomic atlas]

Maybe if you had a job it would be different

[vestal falcon]

Okay you got us, you are a decent troll @atomic atlas

[atomic atlas]

[steep gust]

yes I'm mad

sitting beside a PC that is over $2000 because I can't afford an iphone

[vestal falcon]

Now admit to trolling & lets be over this

[atomic atlas]

Is that it?

Only 2k

My graphics card costs more than your pc in currency transfer

[prime jasper]

thats....not really a good thing

[steep gust]

That's not uh impressive

[atomic atlas]

It is when you get paid more in Australia than you do in the states

[steep gust]

and if you continue to bash people about "being poor" or mention politics you know the results

[atomic atlas]

I enjoy apple phones, I’m allowed to spend the money I earn protecting and serving my country.

If you have a problem with that, please grow up

[prime jasper]

protecting and serving my country
by buying an iphone in a*strailia
what did he mean by this?

[atomic atlas]

I live in Australia

[steep gust]

Did we ask?

[atomic atlas]

You didn’t, but he did

[steep gust]

Where you work has nothing to do with Apple being shitty

[atomic atlas]

[vestal falcon]

[atomic atlas]

I’m allowed to buy the products that I want

[prime jasper]

....yes and buying a product from an American company thrown together in a Chinese sweatshop helps protect and serve how?

[vestal falcon]

Brain hurt after reading this

[latent light]

[atomic atlas]

You have an issue with me spending my money on products you don’t seem “fit”

[steep gust]

How does that change apple being a shit company because you can buy the product you want

[vestal falcon]

I'm just not going to say anymore, I'm going to bask in the entertainment & knowledge that at least SOMEONE out there has a lower IQ than me

[atomic atlas]

I don’t have any issues with apple, that’s the point I’m making to you

[vestal falcon]

[prime jasper]

...but your choice of testicular cancer enhancement device doesnt protect and serve anything

[atomic atlas]

But instead, you want to flex your ego on everyone as per usual, like this whole fanboy shit, he has a valid point, he doesn’t want to buy an amd product because he has been with Nividia for so long

Same happens with me, I don’t want to go with another phone company since I’ve been with them for so long

Why change when I don’t need to?

[steep gust]

Because a GPU is literally plug it in and download a driver? Unlike a phone you don't get locked into a ecosystem so you are forced to buy the next what in that ecosystem

[atomic atlas]

Just because “statistically” it’s better, doesn’t mean I want it

Had this x for 3 years

Still at 93% health

[steep gust]

and the person admitted to buying the "statistically" better product so what the fuck is your point?

[atomic atlas]

Don’t know what you’re on about sir

And you called him a fanboy for it?

You think that’s being nice? How dare someone not want to swap over to another product

[steep gust]

If you say you only buy a product because you have bought that product for years

That makes you a fanboy

[atomic atlas]

LMAO

How

[steep gust]

You are buying the company name

because of the name on the box

[atomic atlas]

I don’t think you know the definition of fanboy

[steep gust]

If you struggle to figure out how buying a company because of its name is fanboyism

That is your problem

[atomic atlas]

Have I once said in this entire argument to “only buy apple products”?

[steep gust]

This isn't an argument

This is your shit trolling

[atomic atlas]

It really is

Yes I’m trolling because I enjoy buying apple products

[steep gust]

Alright next topic

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-9-3900x-review-with-benchmarks-leaks-out.html

Can't wait for Intel fanboys to ignore the 720p low FPS benchmarks

[vestal falcon]

`Fanboy
A fanboy is any person who is the unthinking pawn of a major label/brand. A fanboy is just about the most annoying creature on earth, particularly in the heated debate of Mac vs. PC or in the realm of politics. They tend to be really irrational, and unwilling to look at both sides of the debate: repeating things by rote and being completely partisan. Also, the typical fanboy is totally uninformed and biased to a precedent, hence the repetition of rote sayings or facts/myths.
Mac fanboy says "Apple can do anything! Even make an edible iphone, if only to prove they can do anything!!!!"

PC fanboys says "PC for the win!"/"Mac's may crash less but their crashes are worse!"

both tend to be dumbasses`

To be fair, that last line

[atomic atlas]

I’ve owned both android phones and apple phones, I personally enjoy apple more just because I’ve been with them longer, but I won’t go out of my way to tell people “why the fuck are you buying this instead of this”

I won’t literally strangle them and force them to follow me

[steep gust]

Do you know what "next topic" means?

[atomic atlas]

[steep gust]

Not sure how that is tech related

[atomic atlas]

You said next topic

[latent light]

Can't wait for Intel fanboys to say "Ryzen can't compete at 720p low settings"

[atomic atlas]

720p is fine

[steep gust]

Yes I buy a $500 CPU and $600 GPU to play a 720 low

[latent light]

while ignoring the fact that games have been optimized for Intel's microcode for a decade now

[steep gust]

Also the review mentions RAM "at highest official spec" but doesn't say the timings

Zen 2 supports 3200 22-22-22 not 3200 14-14-14 officially

[latent light]

if they are using 3200 Cl22 big yikes

[steep gust]

That is the 3200 jedec bin

[latent light]

there was a graph showing 3733MHz at CL17 was best fit for Ryzen 3000

[steep gust]

I see that AMD

[latent light]

what would the latency for 3200 CL22 be

like 100ns?

[prime jasper]

ray tracing was 10 years in the making
really steams my beans

[steep gust]

Depends on a lot of other factors @latent light

[vestal falcon]

I'm just waiting for GPU prices to lower

Crypto made them go way up, they came back down, then NVIDIA did a "fuck you" & priced them way too high

[prime jasper]

how low?

[steep gust]

uh

crypto is dead

[vestal falcon]

$50-$100 lower for each tier

[steep gust]

Turing was priced super high because NVidia has no competition in the high-end GPU space and decided to go with a massive die for shit yields

[latent light]

it's kind of annoying having cards priced ~$50 within each other

[atomic atlas]

@latent light $400 difference

[coarse nimbus]

tfw you want to make fun of apple but the opposite side of the discussion has someone that is much more insufferable

[steep gust]

yeah I paid like $40 more than the cheapest card for the 1080 I bought just because I could and wanted that card

and worth it

[latent light]

price/performance has been the same since 2016

[steep gust]

Fuck the cheap as shit 1080s that perform like ass and have bad VRMs

Pascal had great price to performance

[latent light]

yes, we haven't changed since Pascal in price/performance

RTX 2060 was Turing's best price/performance

only like 10% behind 2070 for $150 less

[atomic atlas]

@coarse nimbus https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/530905464205082638/596865513913843722/image0.jpg

[storm osprey]

So AMD GPU price drop official?

[kindred cedar]

I need help to reach a mod

[storm osprey]

@woeful crater dm that

[latent light]

@storm osprey yes

$50 off for the 5700XT and $30 off for the 5700

[storm osprey]

Competition is good

[latent light]

[plain bone]

I've chosen a 2060 because the 2070 was the absolute WORST price/performance ratio.

[untold fog]

What it means?

[strange sandal]

Well, usually amd fanboys complain about intel more

[soft pecan]

guys how to create virtual monitor on win10? want to mirror it to a screen over wifi as if connected with hdmi

[acoustic coyote]

bfv optimized so badly it doesnt even use 100% of my gpu

[supple bane]

what?

that doesnt mean it is badly optimised lol

[coarse nimbus]

you have everything set at max and its not using 100% huh?

[supple bane]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bzi26nvhlSQ/?igshid=g9723ci12sbq

[prime jasper]

https://gfycat.com/evenoffensiveblackrussianterrier

[steep gust]

looks fake

[prime jasper]

fake flames?

[steep gust]

ye

look how the smoke isn't getting sucked into the CPU heatsink

There also isn't anything there to burst into flames like that unless his fucking PSU is garbage and rammed like 50amp down 12v

[coarse nimbus]

there is smoke being sucked into the lower left side of the heatsink

[rigid knoll]

It's not cgi alright

[coarse nimbus]

arent those capacitors where the flames are coming from

[supple bane]

@plain vessel was you talking to me in that message ?

[latent light]

When people say Navi is garbage because it doesn't have Ray Tracing hardware

There's more Xbox exclusives than there are games that support ray tracing

[supple bane]

I guess we have just never met snutten

[latent light]

[grizzled apex]

Xbox, ha

Still excited for Rysen 3000

Though the 2600 prices keep dropping

[latent light]

2600 is $140

[long sphinx]

yeah but 16mb* cache vs 32mb

r7 2700 at $200 or r7 3700x at $330?

thats the question

[prime jasper]

if youre gaming, the choice is obvious

[long sphinx]

xbox?

[prime jasper]

[long sphinx]

i dunno which one?

[prime jasper]

the question assumes you already have said rig so...

[long sphinx]

said rig? what

i dont have it

[prime jasper]

well building one will obviously cost more than an xbox

so thats on you

all a matter of money

[long sphinx]

performance per money*

so which one would you choose then

say it god dammit

[prime jasper]

Nintendo 64

[long sphinx]

2700 is actually 16mb

well damn for 200 thats juicy

i can waste more money on over priced gpus

[prime jasper]

tomorrow we will know

[long sphinx]

aww but it comes with the spire cooler

3700x comes with prism

[prime jasper]

indeed

[long sphinx]

lolol dat intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNjkDoYZYjU

shit dat hs looks tiny

yeah if im buying the 2700 ill need to buy an aftermarket cooler

[prime jasper]

no you dont

the 2700 has very little OC headroom

but if youre playing at 1080p you arent gonna like the 2700 anyway

[long sphinx]

why

[prime jasper]

low fps compared to higher clocked cpus

[long sphinx]

not enough clocks

[prime jasper]

1440p or more its fine

[long sphinx]

i see

for 200 whats better then?

[prime jasper]

wait a day for benchmarks ™

[long sphinx]

you mean 3600?

[prime jasper]

thats one option

[long sphinx]

fuck those were 70 dollars few days ago https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231941

tech yes was right

[steep gust]

@prime jasper The 2700 has fine OC headroom

You can easily gain 200-300mhz

also those aren't very good sticks

[prime jasper]

compared to the 3000 series? this we dont know yet

[steep gust]

AMD always pushes their CPUs pretty hard out of factory

[prime jasper]

tomorrow is so close I can taste it

the delicious taste of burning VRMs

[latent light]

@long sphinx Ryzen 7 2700 won't be able to push 144 fps in most games, 3600, 3600X, 3700X and above will

even the 3600 is going to have around 10-15% higher single core than 2700X

[long sphinx]

wow dat stealth cooler is soooo tiny

dat one will come with the 3600

dat means at least an extra $30

[steep gust]

uh no?

Its perfectly fine for stock

[long sphinx]

whats perfectly fine for you 65c?

not for me

70c?

[prime jasper]

you wont be hitting 70 at stock unless you live in a jungle

[long sphinx]

are u saying that thing can handle a 6 core at 4.2ghz? https://youtu.be/1tCqwk4N36c?t=51

the right one not the left one

X

[prime jasper]

you wont be getting 6 cores at 4.2 stock either

[long sphinx]

thats stock boost clock

[prime jasper]

its not even an issue if your only worried about 6 cores

get a 3600 then

[long sphinx]

thats the one we are talking about

[prime jasper]

is it confirmed with a wraith stealth?

[long sphinx]

88c at 3.8 yyyyeah

thats a hell no

[prime jasper]

oh well, better coolers are cheap

[steep gust]

@long sphinx dude

STOCK with a STOCK cooler with never degrade

[long sphinx]

ok youre right

[steep gust]

if you want AMD can put a $30-40 air cooler in the pop

and increase prices by $30

[long sphinx]

k go back to apex

[lofty light]

Even the stock Intel coolers can kinda handle their CPUs at stock, and AMD ones are famously much better

[coarse nimbus]

@long sphinx smh when will you learn youre never right here

[long sphinx]

i know

by default

[steep gust]

He is complaining about perfectly safe temps

on a cooler that is free

[lofty light]

when will you learn! THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!!!!!

[coarse nimbus]

guess im wrong for setting a custom fan curve on my gpu then

[tribal quiver]

AMD RYZEN HYPEEE

[long sphinx]

they say one thing 3 sentences after saying the opposite then saying stupid basic stuff like a stock cpu works well with its cooler

[lofty light]

GPUs have different things

[long sphinx]

always trying to show the negative on everyone posting anything

[lofty light]

They throttle real fast depending on temps

[long sphinx]

would be nice to have someone with credited experience on the topics talked in here and aprove of what im saying

but yeah dd4 3200 is shit

[prime jasper]

"credited experience" aka the dozens of benchmarks you can find and compare

[long sphinx]

80c? perfectly within spec

[lofty light]

Is that for the 3600?

[long sphinx]

max is 105 buddy youre fine

[lofty light]

They haven't released benchmarks right?

[steep gust]

@long sphinx yes 3200 16-18-18 is shit

That is a garbage bin on most likely a garbage IC

[long sphinx]

if that makes your overpriced EnThusiaST buying decision feel good.... 👌

[lofty light]

Wut

[steep gust]

My overpriced "enthusiast" purchase was one of the cheapest kits at the time and performs great for what I paid (for the time)

Hell AMD even advertises DDR4 3600-3733 as the ideal spot for Zen 2

[long sphinx]

show me a better ram for $75 and ill take back my words

[steep gust]

wow you picked a super cheap kit

and are trying to argue about enthusiast purchases

[long sphinx]

well theres this thing you dont know

called price to performance ratio

[storm osprey]

Cheap kit gets how much less fps?

[coarse nimbus]

you idiot you were supposed to buy 3200 for $150 wtf is wrong with you

[long sphinx]

maybe 1.2 fps less?

[steep gust]

quite a lot between 2133 and 3600

[long sphinx]

for half the cost?

[steep gust]

and its not the average FPS, its the 1% and 0.1%

[long sphinx]

too many 1rst world Enthusiast in here

[lofty light]

[steep gust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wDQG3C/gskill-sniper-x-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-16gsxkb

oh wait

CHEAPER

and better timings

[long sphinx]

for intel

[steep gust]

Try again

m8 its fucking CJR, CJR works better on AMD than Intel

[lofty light]

You don't have to get AMD branded sticks

[long sphinx]

tell me how much difference in gaming those stick have

[steep gust]

well

[long sphinx]

0.3fps?

[steep gust]

its cheaper

so who gives a shit

its better and cheaper

[long sphinx]

fucking wasting my time here

go play apex

[steep gust]

And it depends on a lot of variables

[storm osprey]

I think the point is getting top of the line stuff doesn't always have relative performance for the price difference

[steep gust]

Thing is

That kit is cheaper than the one he posted

so that argument doesn't work here

[long sphinx]

variables like amd shoddy RAM compatibilty

[storm osprey]

Didn't say that

[steep gust]

and a "top of the line" DDR4 kit is like $120

which is cheap asfk

[storm osprey]

For who?

[long sphinx]

buying an intel kit..

[steep gust]

for anyone 3200 14-14-14-31 is an amazing bin

dude

where does it say intel

and do you understand how RAM works?

[storm osprey]

You pulling psycho talk and saying a 3k CPU is cheap?

[steep gust]

There isn't Intel RAM or AMD RAM

[long sphinx]

theres certification

[steep gust]

no there's not

[long sphinx]

ok m8

[steep gust]

That's done by motherboards

do you understand that Asus is not AMD?

@storm osprey I paid $170 for a 2x8 kit just under 2 years ago that is shit

[long sphinx]

i seen dozens of revies saying the problems of overclocking the cpu

[steep gust]

I would gladly pay $110 for an amazing DDR4 kit

[long sphinx]

because of ram problems

[steep gust]

Are you looking at reviews from Zen launch?

[storm osprey]

What you consider cheap is not universal

Like psycho saying a 3k CPU was cheap

[long sphinx]

with any motherboard

[steep gust]

Zen / Zen+ has perfectly fine RAM combability now

[long sphinx]

ryzen is very very picky with ram

[steep gust]

Psycho doesn't think his 3175x or two RTX Titans are cheap

no its not

[long sphinx]

for what i read

[steep gust]

try updating your BIOS

[storm osprey]

He thinks a 3k CPU is cheap

[long sphinx]

i dont have it to test it sorry

[steep gust]

You really got baited that easily? @storm osprey

He wasn't being serious

[storm osprey]

Sure

[steep gust]

@long sphinx yes you do

You made the claim

now defend it

I know plenty of people with Ryzen systems and zero RAM issues on dozens of random ICs they bought

[long sphinx]

first defend your claim that gpu does phisics better than cpu

[steep gust]

Do you know what PhysX is?

[coarse nimbus]

just because you know people doesnt make it scientific, give facts

[storm osprey]

I don't think someone with the stupid claims he makes constantly is trying to bait

[long sphinx]

i can show you plenty of revies and comments arguing about ryzen and ram instabuility

[steep gust]

I mean its funny that NVidia would spend R&D doing GPU physics if its not better to do basic math on a GPU

[long sphinx]

ffs you think bf3 phisics were awesome

[steep gust]

Source?

[long sphinx]

go back and play it m8 i played it 3 days ago

[steep gust]

I think I said BF3 physics was fine

and still is

[long sphinx]

they are fucking ass

look at the ragdolls

[steep gust]

and I can find plenty of sources saying Ryzen has perfectly fine RAM combability

[long sphinx]

all gpu phisics games are ass

[steep gust]

Try filtering by dates

[prime jasper]

lmao this is some quality technical discussion

[long sphinx]

look at bf4

they jump like balloons

and you say bf1 phisics are shit

[steep gust]

BF3 doesn't use physx as far as i know

so try again

[latent light]

my B350 motherboard with a Ryzen 5 1600 has 3000 MHz at 15-15-15-35 , been stable for months

[long sphinx]

also supporting more gpu stress and less cpu use

gtg m8

[steep gust]

Do you understand that GPU / CPU usage are meaningless numbers to look at on their own?

You need FPS, resolution, game, detail settings, etc

[long sphinx]

on 64 player mp its definately not

big mistake m8

[steep gust]

okay so if I go and buy a 2990WX

[prime jasper]

lol

[steep gust]

That has 64 threads

no game uses more than 8 really

[long sphinx]

compare fps between campaign mode and 64 mp in bf1

[steep gust]

That means task manager would show 8% CPU usage

[long sphinx]

not even close

[steep gust]

Since only 8% of my threads are loaded

You are comparing linear maps

to uh

open maps with 64 players?

[long sphinx]

and?

[steep gust]

That's a little flawed?

That's like comparing a Honda Civic to a Corvette Stingray

[long sphinx]

look away from the map and in mp and theres still huge change

you think is only map size?

theres this thing called LoD

funny thing is the smaller the maps are in mp the worst performance you get LOLOL

wait what is LoD?

that might have to do with it 😉

[steep gust]

uh

or maybe because more players in one area means more grenades and other random shit happening?

I feel like your entire comparisons are flawed

[long sphinx]

now you have to change your argument based on map size

[steep gust]

and I don't see the point you are trying to make

[long sphinx]

hurry come up with something else

[steep gust]

You are comparing campaign maps to multiplayer

[long sphinx]

aww too late

bye

[steep gust]

to prove that GPU physics are bad?

you ever thought that frostbite sucks at physics and it doesn't really do physics it just uses effects

[wicked forum]

Anyone had the battlefield patch fail to download??

Buddy of mine is having that issue

[steep gust]

Try power cycling his router

[latent light]

https://youtu.be/cIA9-2UDKHs?t=227

Ryzen 5 3600 beating the snot out of the i7-8700K

timestamp for the game benchmarks

[steep gust]

I know someone who has both

I mean buy AMD, Intel, and NVidia

they ain't going anywhere

[steep gust]

https://valid.x86.fr/lbje3c

DDR4 5774

[long sphinx]

4.3ghz seems to be the max clock on 3rd gen

all cores

[supple bane]

What ?

isnt that what the 3600 boosts to without an oc ?

ye the 3600 boosts to 4.2 without an oc, so you could probs get to like 4.7 maybe 5 very easily

i havent really watched anything on them, but thats what i am assuming

[long sphinx]

https://youtu.be/WXbCdGENp5I?t=80

yeah too much hype from the red team once again

[steep gust]

https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1728758-strictly-technical-matisse-not-really.html

Who cares about overclocking headroom, its good that AMD pushes their shit out of factory

Also Asus is fucking with the power limits so any board that isn't updated to the newest public BIOS on Asus nullifies the review

[long sphinx]

yeah bios is a factor to consider

i mean from what im seeing the biggest gap in fps from 2nd gen to 3rd gen is like 15 fps with a 2080ti

so in a real world scenario its like 7 fps more

[steep gust]

uh

Do you understand price to performance

[long sphinx]

albeit using 50w less power

[steep gust]

Its getting damn near close to a $500 CPU

for half the cost

[supple bane]

^

[long sphinx]

u mean intel cpu?

[supple bane]

yes it may not be as good as some of the other options on the market, but you have to take into account how cheap zen 2 is

[long sphinx]

well amd 2700 is $209

[supple bane]

and the 3600 will beat that for less

the 3600 keeps up with the 8700k and is like half the price almost

[long sphinx]

really dude already coming with smug questions "do you know what is perf to price ratio"?

we are trying to have a conversation for everyones benefit

not how many times i can counter the other person opinion

[supple bane]

i agree with you, but he has a point

[steep gust]

and Zen / Zen+ stock is gone

[long sphinx]

which cpu cost $500?

[steep gust]

uh Intel's competition?

The 9900k?

[long sphinx]

im talking about the 3700x and the 2700

[steep gust]

I think its $480 right now sorry

[long sphinx]

no ones talking about shit overpriced intel

[steep gust]

The 2700 will not be in stock

in a few weeks

[long sphinx]

that may be

but its the definetly the best perf to price ratio rn

[brazen geyser]

Does somebody have a Ryzen 3600 or 3600x and can write about the average frames in Bf V. Would be cool. Thx!

[reef pasture]

What is a great custom-built PC price tag?

By that I meant, what is the good price for a great custom-built PC?

[brazen geyser]

depends which resolution and refresh rate you want to target

for 1080p60 500 to 600$ would make a good first estimation

[latent light]

Ryzen 5 3600 would be comparable to a i5-9600K, also will have better frametimes because of 12 threads

[brazen geyser]

i think it would be like 75% faster in BfV

Because it uses up to 16 threads

[latent light]

tbh, 3600 is comparable to a i7-8700K

[brazen geyser]

yeah but if u oc 8700k is a good bit better

[latent light]

3600X is comparable to a overclocked 8700K

[brazen geyser]

its more that i wanted to know how much 3600 struggles to hit 144fps in bfv

[latent light]

one thing to note is that these new Ryzen CPUs consume waaaaaay less power than Intel

[brazen geyser]

i would go 3700x and oc but idk if its worth just for bf. all other games i play dont need those cores so it will be 3600 for me i think

[latent light]

Ryzen 5 3600 only consumes 80 watts maximum on boost clock, an 8700K will consume around 150 watts on boost

[brazen geyser]

yeah its nice. zen 2 will execute intel in laptops

yeah its darn impressive. i wont need fans for my aio anymore haha

[latent light]

if you test both of these CPUs with the same cooler, the 3600 will probably be 20+C cooler

[brazen geyser]

80 watt passive radiator dissipation

[latent light]

lol

[brazen geyser]

im not gonna do that tho haha

i mean i got an am4 board anyway so i will go 3600

[latent light]

what do you have now

[brazen geyser]

and its also cheaper even if intel will drop their prices by 15%

1600x

but doesnt really matter im set to get a new one because its holding back my 1080ti

[latent light]

3600 will be around 20-25% faster than 1600X

when both are stock

1600X has less overclock headroom

[brazen geyser]

some benchmarks from gamers nexus showed even more improvement

i got my 1600x at 3.9 all core oc and will oc the 3600 to 4.2 as most willl only do 4.3 at 1.4v which is too much imho

[latent light]

1600X can barely push 120 fps in BFV, 3600 should do 144+

[brazen geyser]

yeah i sometimes have 70 but i play without future frame rendering. forgot to say that

[latent light]

I wouldn't go above 1.35v on 7nm

unless you have a chiller

[brazen geyser]

yeah me too

[latent light]

I got a 1600 at 3.8GHz and RX 580, sits between 70-80 fps on ultra settings

used to be 90 fps back in december lol

game optimization has gotten worse

[brazen geyser]

now idk if i buy the 3600 tomorrow for 209 euros or wait. because i thought it would prbly drop after like 2 weeks but its so good in comparison to intel that i think it wont drop that fast xD

[latent light]

if you can save for the 3700X, that would be optimal tbh

[brazen geyser]

yes i have less fps now also

i have the money but im looking forward to have more in the future also 😄

[latent light]

tbh, 4th gen Ryzen can be around the corner

could be in January

[brazen geyser]

i will wait for zen 3 with ddr 5 after zen 2, thats my plan. so i maybe go 6 cores now and 8 cores then

[latent light]

knowing how unpredictable tech companies are, they might even release binned 3rd gen CPUs

like a 3650X, 3750X, 3850X, ect.

would be funny tbh

[brazen geyser]

but amd has got so much new stuff on track that i doubt they need that kind of filler

intel could use it rn together with a price drop

[latent light]

4th gen is 7nm EUV process, should be more power efficient and have more headroom for higher clock speeds

[brazen geyser]

yeah but i dont want to wait : )

[latent light]

if you want best value, get 3600

[brazen geyser]

yeah gonna do that

price to performance - buy hype

[latent light]

try to overclock it to 4.2 GHz on all cores

[brazen geyser]

yes thats my plan

gn got theirs to 4.3 with high voltages so 4.2 should be achievable

[latent light]

yeah, don't want too high voltages

degrading is a thing

@steep gust someone got 5100 MHz stable on X570

for memory

by the way, Ryzen TDP is rated for boost clock

Intel TDP rated for base clock

332 fps average

[steep gust]

uh

@latent light little late MSI did 5774mhz

[latent light]

is that LN2 memory overclocking

[rain quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474466089418489857/591769279242698752/l48na0lmvo531.png

[calm kindle]

wow

[steep gust]

@latent light Probably

LN2 on the CPU at min

[latent light]

looks like games have no choice but to start optimizing for Ryzen's CCX design

lots of games/programs don't use the proper group of cores

assigning BFV to 1 die of the 3900X makes it run a lot smoother

3900X loses to the 3700X and even 3600 in some games because of this

[signal forge]

OK need support for choosing power supply anyone online?

[steep gust]

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1045610-new-psu-tier-list/

[signal forge]

Components:-
amd ryzen 9 3900x,
16gb 3000mhz,
RTX 2080 msi trio,
asus Motherboard x570,
256gb ssd and 1tb hdd,
liq cooling 3Fans (big one),
Full tower Case,

[prime jasper]

full tower is unnecessary, even with a 360mm AIO

larger cases are more difficult to get airflow thats good

[signal forge]

OK! so what watt should I get?

[prime jasper]

mid-tower

with 360mm support if thats what you want, although that is also overkill for stock clocks

[signal forge]

ok! i was searching for Power supply watt!,

[prime jasper]

the minimum must match the requirement for the GPU

[signal forge]

can you suggest the complete PSU watt for the above Components

Components:-
amd ryzen 9 3900x,
16gb 3000mhz,
RTX 2080 msi trio,
asus Motherboard x570,
256gb ssd and 1tb hdd,
liq cooling 3Fans (big one),
Full tower Case,

[prime jasper]

did you click on the link above?

[signal forge]

Its under maintenance!

No not that link i went to cooler master psu calculator website and that site is under maintenance!

Linus tech tips site i didn't understand a lot from it!

[latent light]

650W gold rated PSU would be good

[steep gust]

@signal forge pick one of the PSUs from the higher categories

wattage and efficiency rating say nothing about the actual psu quality

[latent light]

MicroCenter with lines of people waiting to buy new Ryzen CPUs

[prime jasper]

imagine the smell

imagine being downwind