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latent light
latent light
lofty light
Whelp, still happy with my card
lofty light
Yaaaaay
It's almost like they just want something "new" to steal any of AMDs interest with Navi
latent light
Ryzen 5 3600 at boost will match an i7-8700K at boost while consuming nearly half the power
lofty light
I mean, I'm already saving for one of those 12 cores
latent light
8700K consumes 145 watts on boost clock and the Ryzen 5 3600 will consume less than 70 watts on boost
the 3600 is basically an i7 killer when you consider price and how cool it runs
the stock cooler wraith stealth will work great with it
lofty light
Oh yeah, AMD gives stock coolers and even with the overclockable chips
Because ALL of AMD chips are overclockable
latent light
Ryzen 5th gen, 5000 series, will be based on 5nm and will launch on 5/5/21 on AM5 with DDR5, PCIe 5.0 and AVX512
Lisa Su on stage: "Who here likes 5?"
onyx field
i got two issues i want to see if anyone else got...
sometimes when spawning in a plane (usually spitfire) , the propeller will spin like the engine is damaged even when its fully repaired(just spawned)..
and sometimes on the map... the UI of the 1 on either tanks or plane will not appear on time..
causing me to suddenly see another plane in the sky without it actually ever showing a plane available... or sometimes it will show 1 , i'll click it and it will just show me that it was already taken even though im pressing and pressing (have to press a diff icon and go back to the plane or tank)
exotic plover
Should I get a Samsung Galaxy S10+ or a Iphone Xs Max. This would be easy if I lived in America or something but I live in Japan, here is why its harder to choose. In Japan literally 95% of the population uses Iphones (lil exaggeration lmao) and ALL my classmates except like 2 use an iphone so if I get a iphone they will be more familiar with ios and also I have acess to ios exclusive things which my friends/classmates have as well so its easier to do wrk and stuff (at least thats what im thinking) although I do like samsungs more and I have had good experiences with samsung phones in the past and they are usually just as good as iphones for a lower price
idk im not much of a phone nerd, i just know a lot about computers
I have no idea why iphones are so popular in japan, samsung and huawei are both beating iphones rm lmao
prime jasper
I dont know what the japanese equivalent of someone who's obesses with america is....ameriboo?
exotic plover
by america i just meant that in most other countries people have all sorts of phones and is more diverse when it comes to that type of thing
@prime jasper
in japan literally everyone uses a iphone is the point i was trying to make
prime jasper
yes, because ameriboos 
steep gust
So you are buying an iPhone, because everyone else has one? Ain't that some mob mentality
Buy the phone you want. Not what other people tell you
onyx field
Buying an iPhone cuz everyone else is so 2009 ish
storm osprey
get a moto g7
random flax
@steep gust i have iphone xr
iphone is easy to use for me
idk what phone is easy to use for you
lmao
chrome niche
Samsung ez
steep gust
for branding
chrome niche
Samsung cameras are amazing
random flax
@steep gust for games androig
picture iphone
steep gust
do you understand how phone cameras work
chrome niche
MY IMAGE
steep gust
Its entirely software and phone brands trade blows across the entire flagship lineup
Plenty of phones do X better than an Iphone
steep gust
so is my S7 Edge
prime jasper
at the cost of literally everything customizable lol
steep gust
I'm never went "I wish my OS was more locked down so I could use this easier"
Sometimes finding settings on iOS can be a pain in the ass and random iOS updates changing the UI is just
random flax
what lol
prime jasper
he means their a nonsensical pain in the ass
chrome niche
Apple phones
prime jasper
if you can even find it
chrome niche
Yep
steep gust
Also Apple ripping shit straight from other phones and acting like its a brand new thing
prime jasper
the irony is so thick Im choking
steep gust
I don't mind my S7 Edge
and quit pinging me
yeah I wish some things were different but its not as annoying to use as any iOS product I'm touched
Considering I can unlock the bootloader in like 5 clicks and download whatever the fuck I want on it 
storm osprey
im in the camp that believes 80% of people with flagship phones could use a 300-500 dollar phone and not miss anything but branding
steep gust
I'll probably buy a Note 9 in a few months
random flax
yeah its a good phone
steep gust
way cheaper than paying flagship cost
random flax
my dad has note 8
steep gust
and I'll use it for years
random flax
or buy nokia
steep gust
Also if the note 10 has no headphone jack thats a straight pass
random flax
forever
prime jasper
good thing LG's flagships still include a headphone jack
steep gust
I own bluetooth headphones and still am not buying a phone without a headphone jack
steep gust
galaxy buds since they were cheap and I wanted headphones to work out with
teal garnet
guys do u have problem with bf5 with freezing? i got so much of it in last two days
storm osprey
pc?
i kinda stopped playing a couple of updates ago sine performance was so bad for me
teal garnet
!rank
steep gust
chilly edge
hi guys, maybe someone can help me. Dice Support cant help me.. Can i upload a picture here ?
supple bane
@chilly edge dm me the pic
steep gust
supple bane
well i was going to do just that
but nyphon is a better idea
but there is is anyway
supple bane
last time i checked i dont speak what im going to assume is german, so its kinda hard to figure out what is going on
steep gust
stuff not unlocking is a known bug
chilly edge
yes but why they not fix ?? its since release
supple bane
like every other 50 million bugs i the game "they are working on it"
steep gust
The issue is that patching bugs isn't simple
It could result in way worse bugs if they fix the root of the one
chilly edge
no restart not work man..this bug is since release for me..i restart a lot since there 😄
random flax
restart pc mybe?
chilly edge
i try all.. delete game and new install
supple bane
if he has had it since release.... do you not think he has done that
chilly edge
not worked
random flax
@supple bane ohh
@chilly edge dice support ?
try ea
they helps alot
or ask at the qna
chilly edge
since release i hear always " they fix ,they fix.".but i wait since half year.. i give up
past parrot
Any idea when they'll release a patch for the horrible perf issues ?
prime jasper
play on high
sacred walrus
How does a ryzen 2600x sound
with a 2070
and 16 gbs of ram
Its replaceing my fx 6300
And 1050 TI
Ti
oops
prime jasper
wew thats gonna be a hell of an upgrade
although might as well wait till 7/7 at this point
sacred walrus
7/7?
forest token
when zen 2 cpus are available
latent light
@forest token July 7th
forest token
I know I telling him/her that 7/7 is when they are available 
latent light
latent light
Ryzen 9 3950X uses the best binned dies, likely to see over 4.7 GHz overclocking
agile rain
I'm still on the R5 1600 👀
wind laurel
agile rain
1600 isnt causing bottlenecks afaik yet
storm osprey
im on 4790, so yea im waiting for ryzen 3000
iron canyon
4790K
storm osprey
not even 4790k, non k
(it was on sale for same price as an i5 i was gonna get, so it was a no brainer)
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prime jasper
Anybody up for conquest ?
lofty light
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lofty light
Try there @prime jasper
lofty light
I did? Select the platform you're on
lofty light
Is that a joke
slate rivet
fallow frigate
@molten bramble It hasn't worked, even after several days it says I have completed all challenges, yet I have not received my melee weapon.
prime jasper
and so it begins...
steep gust
prime jasper
doubt what?
steep gust
Intel price cuts
molten coral
Finally
steep gust
Your source is literally someone citing someone who is citing a motherboard manufacturer who is saying Intel told them to be prepared
Which is uh 
prime jasper
lol nacho's excited
steep gust
Remember 9th gen intel was suppose to be cheap
storm osprey
i mean, people probably thought intel wasnt gonna up core count when ryzen dropped
steep gust
And 15% isn't gonna save X299
prime jasper
Dr. Su spanked HEDT so hard theyre on life support
storm osprey
and if ryzen 3000 is gonna beat intel in price to performance like everyone things it makes sense to drop intel prices
steep gust
HEDT only exists for 3D Benchmarks
prime jasper
lel
steep gust
Intel might not have the yields to cut prices
I mean they only had a massive issue with 14nm supply 
prime jasper
poor intlel, having to lie in the bed that they made
steep gust
They also cut 2019 revenue predictions a lot
So they are expecting some serious competition
prime jasper
I wonder how that GPU is coming along...
storm osprey
oh yea, intel doesnt have yields to cut prices
Intel cash on hand for the quarter ending March 31, 2019 was $12.033B, a 25.71% decline year-over-year.
storm osprey
wonder whats more impactful, losing 10% of a sale, or not making a sale
latent light
more sales looks good on record even if you aren't making a lot of profit
storm osprey
IE: bfv being on sale a week after launch
wise grove
@latent light 91 fps seems high for a 1080
then again i have a 8700k so mayb thats the difference
on ultra i avg 60-70 fps
supple bane
no..
storm osprey
4790, 1080, 1440p i get around 100 fps on low settings
wise grove
yeah
if i crank it up to ultra i get big drops
in fact the game has been dropping frames like crazy lately
prime jasper
well that depends on several things lol
prime jasper
it can be if thermals are bad, drivers/bios outdated, windows not up to date, etc
wise grove
drivers are cleanly installed, thermals are low (like cpu is mid-40s, gpu mid-60s in-game)
prime jasper
on build 1903?
wise grove
on my work laptop rn, will check later
a simple windows vers can't be the main culprit
prime jasper
youd be amazed
especially if you are more than a build behind
you cant even use DXR unless you are on 1809 or later
wise grove
idk something is fucky. tried to play bf1 and got lowish (like 110) fps on ultra last night. used to get like 130+
with bigass drops to like 98
wise grove
hmmm
how do you know if you have enough power on your system?
bought my psu 2 years ago for a system thats changed a bunch since
prime jasper
well you generally start off the power draw requirement of the GPU
you need to meet at least the minimum
storm osprey
so many variables
prime jasper
ok but what is your PSU wattage?
wise grove
prime jasper
yeah should be fine
strange sandal
@wise grove don't worry, i have the same shit
2080 + 8700k, but 1080p screen as for now
low gpu utilization unless i use renderaheadlimit 2 in console
that's the only game that has bad performance from me from AAA titles
wise grove
@strange sandal thanks. i thought i did my OC wrong or installed my RAM wrong or something. PUBG i get like, 200+ fps, with 160+ with ultra settings
strange sandal
Well, same
It's just BF5 problems
I get expected performance in any other game, even AAA titles
I tried almost everything to fix this, but nope
@wise grove
steep gust
@strange sandal You don't want to force pre rendered frames in the console
strange sandal
If i do that in game settings - i get lower CPU usage and laggy/jittery mouse every N seconds @steep gust
prime jasper
FFR and vsync both affect input lag
prime jasper
Hey guys, I got a new Pc with a 2080ti, I7 9700k 16Gb Ram. The I7 is running on 5 Ghz. My problem is that the GPU has only a usage between 50 and 60 %. Does anybody know how to fix this ?
The I7 Is running between 80-95 %
prime jasper
Yeah just BF 5
prime jasper
It's 2 sticks of 8
latent light
another thing, what slots is the RAM put in
prime jasper
In the 2 and 4
latent light
in the 2nd and 4th slot when looking from left to right?
prime jasper
Yes when I look from the side of the cpu
latent light
don't know what could be causing that low of GPU usage if you have a 9700K and dual channel 16GB ram
what speed is the ram
latent light
ram isn't the issue then
steep gust
@prime jasper don't play in 1080p
prime jasper
I only have a 1080p 144 hz Monitor
steep gust
Also if you are using an AVX offset then your CPU isn't actually at 5ghz in BFV
Then yeah you are probably hitting a CPU limit or the 200fps cap (did that change in BFV? dunno)
latent light
BFV has 200 fps cap?
prime jasper
I already changed it to 144 fps
steep gust
like your fps is locked to 144fps?
prime jasper
Yes
steep gust
Remove that
but yeah you will hit a CPU limit long before a GPU at 1080p with a 2080ti
steep gust
The 2080ti isn't designed around 1080p
latent light
you're probably going to need a 3900X or 3950X to get close to 100% utilization on the 2080Ti when playing BFV
at 1080p
steep gust
uh a 5ghz 9700k is gonna be faster than a 3900x in BFV
latent light
probably not core limited but single core limited
3900X at 4.4 GHz can match 9th gen Intel at 5 GHz
molten bramble
@fallow frigate I am unaware as to what you're referring to.
steep gust
no one cares for AMD's most likely biased slides 
Also cinebench R20 and games are super different
latent light
they don't gimp on CPU benchmarks, they didn't for previous gens
but radeon did with GPU
pretty sure the 3950X will be the fastest single core CPU in the world
unless compared to a 9900K at 5.2+ GHz
steep gust
Its doing the same in R20 as a 9900k in single thread
storm osprey
are these biased like intels paid for benchmarks?
steep gust
2% is fucking margin of error for single core benchmarks
latent light
intel is saying their 10nm mobile CPUs will beat the 9900K in single core
steep gust
Good
latent light
up to 40% higher IPC than 14nm
steep gust
You mean you can finally beat Skylake+++ in single core
"up to higher IPC" in this one niche workload that Skylake was probably gimped in
steep gust
We citing a random table from a random Chinese forum
steep gust
uh
How did they run a mobile CPU?
Same thing with the sunnycove ES
Those are almost certainly going to be a new socket
latent light
they are
steep gust
so now we are trusting some source from china has an engineering sample CPU and board
before we have seen anything from Intel to say the CPUs even exist
latent light
they showed them at computex didn't they
didn't show performance
just showed features
latent light
Paul's Hardware still thinks 10nm desktop is coming
steep gust
Intel's roadmap says otherwise
latent light
7nm in 2021
the same year AMD goes to 5nm and TSMC starts 3nm production
Ryzen 4000 could be an earlier than expected launch because TSMC started 7nm EUV mass production earlier this month
new iPhone this year will have 7nm EUV chip
steep gust
New iphone is going to be way less dense than any desktop cpu
latent light
7nm EUV on Ryzen will just be more power efficient, don't know if we will see higher IPC or clock speeds yet
lmao I'm still curious if AMD will launch a 50th anniversary Ryzen 3000 CPU that's binned
latent light
imagine a binned 3900X or 3950X hitting 4.8 GHz boost
the 3900X is still considered the flagship CPU
steep gust
I can't cus it won't 
prime jasper
there sure were lots of people imagining AMD was finished a few years ago...so I'll imagine away
latent light
there was no doubt that Zen was going to be at least a decent architecture
no way AMD would launch another bulldozer
that would be suicide
latent light
I don't see why their 10nm is doing bad while their 7nm is doing fairly well
is 10nm a whole new architecture that is over-engineered?
steep gust
10nm isn't using euv
and they are already nearing the limits of their manufacturing without euv using 14nm
latent light
Intel won't be doing EUV until 2022 lmfao
I wonder f Intel will launch the i9-9900KS at $500 and bring down the 9900K to $400-450
that would be a good move
steep gust
still too much for a 9900k
prime jasper
welp boys, Im breaking out my pentium 4. sometimes you just cant beat the classics
wise grove
@prime jasper there isn’t a chance I fucked up ram install or OC right?
storm osprey
in the RIGHT slots
wise grove
I actually just switched to dual channel
steep gust
also this isn't tech support
latent light
Ryzen 7 2700X current draw maxes out at 125A
1800X and 2600X at 100A
1600X at 75A
Ryzen 9 3950X is expected to reach up to 200A as the absolute limit
obvious running at these current draws for each CPU will degrade them in the matter of weeks
when voltage goes down and power stays constant, current has to go up
steep gust
Wccftech 
long sphinx
@steep gust sorry cant help it
latent light
it looks realistic
random flax
IS this only me when you press back on armory and its just showing th e charcatars ??
\
supple bane
eh?
you mean the featured bar at the top...
if you click armoury, there is multiple tabs at the top of the screen,
random flax
like i open armory and pressin back so fast and its show me like the armory chacarcatrs like moving pictures
somthing like it
steep gust
sounds about right
supple bane
heh, i watch that guy too
latent light
prime jasper
knives are dangerous
latent light
storm osprey
i want to pre order, but no
molten bramble
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red trellis
@molten bramble you know whati is VPPM voltaje ? https://imgur.com/a/ij3yxH0
violet hare
can any1 help w low fps on my 290x on 3440x14440 on bf1
latent light
how low
latent light
monitor GPU usage, if you are playing at high/ultra then yet that sounds normal at that resolution for that graphics card
molten bramble
@red trellis Believe it determines DRAM row access reliability, but could be wrong. Voltages are not something I dabble in often these days. You'd probably want to talk to @steep gust or one of the Regulars here to get the best information--those folks are good.
red trellis
Ok,. thanks, i turn off and check the wires and connections, turn on and not crash, but the VPPM always are in 0.490 when i turn on whas on 1.8v an then keep getting lower to 0.4
molten bramble
@plain vessel If you're using the latest OBS, their algorithm for streaming to Twitch has gotten better with the autodetect. Might try if if you haven't already.
prime jasper
yes you need to click the optimized encoder settings
dont use x264, use nvenc
yes
its literally built into nvidia cards lol
yeah that little auto tuning wizard is quite nice
should get you in the ballpark and turns on the nvenc too
worth a shot, if not you can try x264 and see what happens
supple bane
Finally putting in some time to see what sort of oc I can get on my cpu
steep gust
@red trellis Its VPP or VPPM on some BIOS which IIRC is similar to pll termination on Intel? I would check here for a number to set it to https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/index
@latent light A lot of X570 boards look top tier, going to wait to see how memory clocks on them
VRMs won't be super important in discussion if every board is generally solid 😩
long sphinx
wait so there are sata3 m.2 ssd and pci express m.2 ssd
long sphinx
shouldnt we save pci express lanes for the gpu then?
prime jasper
if you already have 16 open for the one gpu any extras are all yours
long sphinx
iirc new ryzen have dedicated lanes to storage right?
wait isnt new ryzen cpus 16 lanes max?
prime jasper
lol no
long sphinx
i think i heard someone saying that new cpus will be 16 lanes
lemme see
also pci lanes are handled through the chipset?? thats why they are getting hotter cos of pci e 4.0?
prime jasper
yes, pcie 4 had a higher power draw requirement
steep gust
You have 16 lanes directly to the CPU on any mainstream socket
and then like 4 on the chipset that are way slower
long sphinx
yes my p55 board has 16 lanes as well
so for gaming its best to let the storage go through sata than using pci lanes
specially cos i wont buy a x570 mb, x470 its where its at
steep gust
There is literally zero difference
GPUs on x8 and x16 PCIe 3.0 have zero real world performance difference
long sphinx
but its that splice second where the game has a huge data dump and you get stutter
sour meteor
sorry but even in sli that dosent append
prime jasper
pcie 3.0 cards dont fully saturate the bandwidth
sour meteor
if it does something is wrong with the system
long sphinx
but with pci-e m.2 it might
steep gust
what
prime jasper
I have an x470 with two m.2 slots. My ssd is in the bottom one and uses x4 with my card on top using the x16
there is no conflict
sour meteor
it wont causse any issue
steep gust
Do you understand how PCIe lanes work?
sour meteor
if you worry so much about this
sour meteor
get a board with a plx chip
steep gust
Uh
long sphinx
hah my p55 board has one
steep gust
That creates a lot of issues with latency
long sphinx
yes¨
steep gust
PLX chips dont add lanes
long sphinx
its magic
sour meteor
nope but they are usefull for someone ussing multiple drive
steep gust
or you can just use the 8 lanes from your CPU and 4 from a chipset
Most people dont need 3+ x4 drives
steep gust
Google?
long sphinx
after navi is released vega will be the best bang for buck then
so image sharpening is not available for vega?
"As of now, however, RIS is only available on AMD’s new Radeon RX 5700-series graphics cards, and doesn’t yet include support for DX11. AMD says it’s only a matter of resources, but Radeon Image Sharpening is currently only available for DX9, DX12, and Vulkan."
latent light
Rumors saying the Ryzen 5 3600 will be able to overclock to 4.4 GHz and the 3600X to 4.5 GHz with relative ease
steep gust
coarse nimbus
rumors...what about facts when people actually have the hardware in hand and can oc themselves?
prime jasper
damn
limpid glade
Who got it?
limpid glade
That was the lasting of the invite
flint locust
People never say thanks when they claim or win a giveaway, no surprise
flint locust
We gave a nitro code in #giveaways and they didn’t even boost this server
limpid glade
No, but a thanks would be nice
strong breach
weird way of thinking that if you win nitro you would be obligated to use it on us
definitely not the case
limpid glade
Alright, fair enough
flint locust
supple bane
do you only get one boost if you have nitro ? or can you boost multiple ?
limpid glade
Just one
steep gust
so disable 0% fan mode
hoary ember
it is on auto
latent light
pretty sure all Nvidia GPUs since the 900 series and AMD cards since the 200 series does the fan stop thing
steep gust
then its not going to turn your fans on until like 55c
latent light
50C isn't anything to worry about to begin with
hoary ember
and why i see red dots at black screen?
prime jasper
?
supple bane
Because your colour blind ? 
jade star
took like 1 min for me
dull gull
very weird font... https://imgur.com/W6IVHBn
steep gust
Considering any review samples are under NDA
and people making dumb articles of "yeah the lower core counts overclock higher"
which is normal
latent light
there's a chance that all X processors can do 4.7 GHz when overclocked
steep gust
latent light
like how the 2700X had the highest boost of 4.3 GHz but the 2600X could also reach the same clocks when overclocked
steep gust
and the 3950x isn't hitting 4.7 all core with ambient cooling
latent light
4.7 may not be achievable on the 3600X, 3700X and 3800X though because I'm sure the 3950X is the best binned silicon in the whole product line
steep gust
Well the 6 cores dies aren't use on the 3950x
latent light
3950X chips are perfect or near perfect
steep gust
the best dies goes to eypc
long sphinx
next month will be the turning point for cpu development
steep gust
no it won't be
long sphinx
speed will no longer be the end all be all
steep gust
Zen 2 is not some massive jump in CPU tech
latent light
Intel's roadmap says otherwise
steep gust
and speed is always what matters
long sphinx
wont be anymore
latent light
Intel's 10nm mobile looks good
steep gust
uh
long sphinx
cores>speed
steep gust
uhhh
long sphinx
uhhh
latent light
but it's not much faster than coffee lake because 10nm can't even hit 4 GHz
steep gust
uhhh
long sphinx
consoles will use octocores
steep gust
You do realize there is a big difference between ARM and x86
latent light
opening Chrome makes my 1600 jump up to 40% usage for 3 seconds
long sphinx
yes
latent light
apps are taking advantage of cores
steep gust
and that consoles are not accurate to hardware usage
Consoles use a shit FX mobile CPU power limited and clocked to ass
latent light
xbox one and ps4 already use 8 core CPUs
long sphinx
so intel better get their chiplet homework done if they want to squeeze more shekels from people
steep gust
Its also FX
latent light
but next gen will use 8-core Zen 2
steep gust
FX has a unique layout on cores
Lets just call it that
and Intel has a 28 core on a monolithic die
Chiplets are done because its cheaper not better
latent light
I remember playing pubg in its early stages with a Fx-8350, fps stayed below 60 all the time and would dip to 10-15 constantly
steep gust
The cheapest one?
long sphinx
amd 330 buckerinos
long sphinx
as an intel user i cant wait to switch tbh
lofty light
Wait, are you trying to say that AMD is better because more cores? I'm just keen for the more IPC tbh
latent light
the 64 core Epyc CPU will be around $7000-8000
long sphinx
they wont be able to get away with higher clock speed anymore
lofty light
Wfttech 
steep gust
Applications don't use high core counts
latent light
it's going to be priced the same as Naples was on launch
steep gust
Tomorrow they won't
the average person uses a 2c 4t or 4c 4t CPU
Companies don't make games around the pro users
long sphinx
well
lofty light
I'm gonna be getting the 12 core just because I need a better CPU for streaming and playing
long sphinx
8cores wont be pro anymore
prime jasper
yes we all know this game runs fantastic on 4c/4t lol
lofty light
That can use more cores
steep gust
Plenty of games run fine on 4t
lofty light
As well as virtualising
long sphinx
the paradigms will switch next month
lofty light
But yeah, honestly only a few things use more than the 6c/12t
long sphinx
bout damn time
lofty light
It's VERY hard to code for more cores apparently
steep gust
It is
long sphinx
unreal engine disagrees
latent light
Assassin's Creed, BF1, BFV, Cities Skylines, Ghost Recon Wildlands all run pretty shit on 4c 4t
lofty light
So people just go with the highest speed on those cores supported
long sphinx
bf5??? hell no
steep gust
It gets exponentially harder to make games use more and more cores properly
long sphinx
vulkan disagrees
steep gust
its like you can break 2+2 into 1+1+1+1
but breaking it down into 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5
is just more steps that slows it down
Vulkan is a rendering API
Not a fucking game
steep gust
DescriptionVulkan is a low-overhead, cross-platform 3D graphics and computing API.
Guess what
long sphinx
uhhhhh
steep gust
Vulkan isn't going to beat dx11
long sphinx
question
latent light
doom and wolfenstein
steep gust
You do realize that rendering APIs on a GPU thing?
lofty light
Yeeeeeah na
steep gust
uh
long sphinx
its going to be awesome
lofty light
As he said before it's EXPONENTIALLY harder to add more core usage
latent light
Unreal engine 4 games only use up to 4 threads
steep gust
uh
long sphinx
and when they went from 2 to 4
lofty light
You're missing the EXPONENTIALLY bit 
steep gust
You clearly weren't around for that time
long sphinx
im using a pc from 2010
steep gust
uh
lofty light
As am I
long sphinx
still playing on high at 60fps
steep gust
Do you know when PCs went from single to dual core?
long sphinx
im not a nerd like some
lofty light
What does that have to do with anything tbh
long sphinx
but i know how technology is evolving
steep gust
Because plenty of games don't use 4 cores still
Zen 2 is not going to be some magical overhaul of gaming performance
long sphinx
but theres game that hog 6 cores already
lofty light
The name of the game overall is that raw core speeds and IPC still win out
@long sphinx some, not many that do it at all well
steep gust
A lot of games use 6 cores, doesn't mean they are using them properly
I can load up 6 cores to 100% but only 4 are doing any work
lofty light
Most that use more than a few cores are horrifically optimised, like BFV
long sphinx
badly optimized would be when it uses less cores
steep gust
steep gust
I don't have a bigger thinking emote
long sphinx
maybe you dont know how conquest 32v32 needs from the cpu
but you know your emotes well
long sphinx
im taliking about bf5 32v32
steep gust
and if you remove the blue filter BF3 still looks damn good for its time
long sphinx
i play bf1 and the physics alone is exponentially more realistic than bf3
bf3 barely had ragdolls
steep gust
which is realistic
long sphinx
shitty ones
long sphinx
you saw how they fell?
steep gust
and physics can be done on a GPU
steep gust
then your physics API is garbage
GPUs can do a lot of simple math (physics) really fast
PhysX is losing support because games handled it terribly and it sometimes destroyed performance 
long sphinx
or maybe
lofty light
The problem is Frostbite is kinda sucky for performance but they're stuck with it
long sphinx
because cpus are better suited to that
steep gust
why?
long sphinx
and as a developer
steep gust
Clearly
long sphinx
you want to have a s much gpu room as possible
steep gust
because you totally know what you are talking about
latent light
long sphinx
like i said before im not a nerd
lofty light
Eh, putting more on the GPU is fine a lot of the time
steep gust
Knowing a lot about computers doesn't make you a nerd
knowing a lot about cars isn't any difference
long sphinx
but i know what works and what it doesnt
latent light
why does 7700K bottleneck a 2080Ti but 8700K doesn't 
steep gust
because a 8700k clocks higher 😩
steep gust
clocks and IPC are still king for gaming
lofty light
Just look at benchmarks for CPUs, most of the results will show the highest clocked Intel CPUs at the top. AMDs currently released CPUs are behind a fair bit
latent light
would you rather use a i3-9350K at 5 GHz or a i5-9400F at 4.1 GHz
lofty light
I'm very much looking forward to Zen 2 though
steep gust
why does the 9350k even exist
lofty light
Because Intel sucks
steep gust
yeah Intel still wins in any single core / light threaded (gaming) workload
lofty light
And @latent light of course the latter BUT that's because ATM more than 2 cores are supported in most software, but not beyond
If you were to say between a 9900K and a 2700X then I wonder
prime jasper
with the 2700x I save 200 dead presidents....tahts a shit ton of beer
steep gust
but yeah not for gaming
prime jasper
two dozen threads is a pathway to powers that many would consider unnatural...
lofty light
All 12 cores defs won't work on games, but hey for multitasking
steep gust
Also windows is shit for a ton of cores
lofty light
Yeah....
prime jasper
cant wait for the scheduler fix dropping soon
lofty light
That's the one thing letting me down atm
steep gust
The best way would be for windows to allow us to select a few cores for it to run windows tasks on
prime jasper
implying it looks any better than a new board
steep gust
instead of trying (and failing) to balance the load
steep gust
If your VRM can't handle the 3900x then yeah a new one is needed
prime jasper
why what do you have?
lofty light
Yeah, I'm still on 2400
prime jasper
Im sure there will be a TUF x570
latent light
get the 12 core and disable SMT
prime jasper
already is for x470
latent light
lofty light
The new TUF boards suck balls though, you seen them?
latent light
wym
steep gust
TUF sucks ass
long sphinx
forget about x570
steep gust
Pay more for less
long sphinx
x470 taichi m8
lofty light
The Sabertooth was good because it's not a flashy RGB gamer board
latent light
was considering disabling SMT on the 12 core to reach more stable overclocks
steep gust
but yeah that can be done, the 9900k clocks 100-200mhz higher without SMT
long sphinx
good, more texas dynamics mosfets for me
lofty light
Gigabyte have some interesting VRMs with x570
long sphinx
and cost 40% more
lofty light
The true 12 phase ones
lofty light
ASUS have all doublers though right?
steep gust
Runs in parallel not doubled IIRC
Slightly better but still inferior to using a proper VRM
Considering other boards are using the 16 phase controller from Infineon 😩
inb4 asus advertises a parallel 8 phases as twin 16 phases
latent light
my motherboard is 4+3 phase and uses ONSemi
MSI has the best B350 and B450 boards
best 4+2 phases
Asus and ASRock suck
Gigabyte is meh
lofty light
Eh, not a big fan of the MSI ones
If only EVGA made boards for x570 
Had real good experiences with ASUS in the past with boards, ASRock have burnt me multiple times and MSI once
steep gust
I can't remember why EVGA doesn't make AMD boards
lofty light
Probably TiNs fault
latent light
4th gen speculation already folks
:pepega:
I'm not buying a 3rd gen CPU on launch anyway, was going to wait until a month or two after
latent light
lofty light
Oof
latent light
lofty light
Saw that come up but haven't watched because at work
latent light
sucks that B550 won't be out on launch
lofty light
Just read the article version on their site, there's a few big ooofs there
steep gust
uh
PCIe 6.0
SPEC
not products
It took like 5 years before 3.0 hit market after the spec was out
lofty light
Yeah they mentioned the slow adoption of 3
steep gust
and 4.0 was the same way
took years after spec
even for the actual hardware to run it to exist
lofty light
Those tarrifs though, up to 27% or whatever it is
steep gust
yeah that is really really bad
lofty light
Well 4 was finalized in 2017
steep gust
for literally everyone
steep gust
yeah because lots of parts are bought from china
lofty light
Yup
steep gust
and manufactured in other countries
The supply chain doesn't enjoy massive tariffs that increase costs for no reason
latent light
Trump put a $300 billion tariff proposal on China
latent light
lofty light
Hopefully
lofty light
Haven't there been a few that have gone through?
latent light
power supplies are expensive
steep gust
that would only increase the costs
PSUs have a ton of separate components
uh probably but I don't think any real tariffs have actually been fully passed on electronics
lofty light
Well a bunch of the manufacturers are moving their stuff to Taiwan aren't they
steep gust
not really
Its really hard to move a multi million dollar factory
Some companies are expanding into Taiwan, some, not many
latent light
it's going to suck if china ever invades taiwan, which is a likely conflict in our lifetime
I could see semi-conductors getting destroyed
a small country like that would suffer a lot of damage
steep gust
well thats more political than just tariffs are bad for everyone 😩
steep gust
but real world gaming
latent light
is running an 8086K at 1.45v bad?
lofty light
That sounds pretty high, do you have a chiller on that?
latent light
this dude saying he has a 8086K at 5.2 GHz 1.45v
lofty light
Oof
steep gust
Yes
1.42v is the max for daily lga1151
<80C
8086k 5.2ghz 1.45v is a really mediocre chip
This is coming from someone who has done 1.55v on ambient for benchmarks
CPU still runs fine 
tame kraken
scarlet pond
Sweet
thorn matrix
why would someone get that
violet plank
you really asking this in a tech channel?
prime jasper
el fucking mao
supple bane
storm osprey
in that case, post it in general
latent light
supple bane
also. what happened to the trusted role ?
supple bane
i have been being such a good boi this whole time, hoping to get trusted. and then they go ahead and murder it
prime jasper
theyre afraid of losing their meme monopoly
storm osprey
ill dm you my theory
prime jasper
what color? there was no color
storm osprey
just to touch on the topic, idk a single person who really cared about the color aspect of trusted
yes it was used to poke fun at people, but thats really it
prime jasper
so now we have 'regular'...whatever that means
storm osprey
i can post images and commands like before, thats all i really wanted
supple bane
me too, i just want to be able to send images and be able to do the commands
i get to look like a cool kid
jk
vital zephyr
well i got a fps problem
a big one
so i havent touched bf1
for quite the while
and it used to run on ultra like 60+ frames
and now i came back
and i have 9 frames have a GTX 970 with 4 or 6 gb vram
intel I5-6600
safe meteor
My best advice is to check drivers, sorry I can't help more
prime jasper
might as well make sure windows is up to date too
vital zephyr
but thanks for youre time
supple bane
have you checked your temps ?