technology

[latent light]

[steep gust]

I would pay $2000 every few months if I could afford it

Hell I will probably eventually end up buying dry ice and eventually LN2 on a semi often basis if I get some hardware to bench 😩

The local place selling dry ice is kinda expensive, but i could get it delievered

[latent light]

Navi lost some features for extreme overclocking

[steep gust]

dunno if they would deliver LN2 to residentials

If the rumor is true

Navi lost its overclocking potential

as they might be going to a more locked down route like NVidia

which is fucking shitty for consumers

[latent light]

if Navi had Vega level of extreme overclocking, it would be great

[steep gust]

just give out unlocked BIOS

if you are gonna be shitty and ship locked down ones

Don't pull a NVidia and completely lock down your cards

[latent light]

the 5700 XT can go up to 1905 MHz peak boost and the 50th anniversary one can do 1980 MHz but those blower coolers are a limit

also did you know the blower coolers can only go up to 1800 RPM

[steep gust]

thank god

bring back the like 6000rpm screamers from FX

[latent light]

they aren't terrible blowers tbh, the heatsink has copper vapor chamber

[steep gust]

8+6 why

just do 8+8

[latent light]

it's a 225W card

[steep gust]

and AMD is known to ignore spec on the 6 pin

so unless they all the sudden get current balancing its not gonna follow spec

[latent light]

7-phases are going to be top of the line quality most likely knowing how overkill AMD are on VRMs

[steep gust]

smh not 12 phases

wait isn't there a true 16 phase controller now

smh not 12+4

[latent light]

this is only Navi 10 though, they hinted Navi 20 in a interview

[steep gust]

GDDR6 and the memory controller (mostly the controller) do draw a decent amount of power

Vega 2

[latent light]

Navi 10 is GCN + RDNA, Navi 20 is 100% RDNA

[steep gust]

wait does Navi support crossfire?

[latent light]

doesn't seem so

[steep gust]

Radeon 7 you have to hack it together

well crossfire is over pcie

[latent light]

maybe

[steep gust]

They haven't done crossfire fingers in like a decade

[latent light]

lol

I really want to see what they are planning for the full RDNA cards

because they said RDNA is the "most futuristic architecture ever"

[steep gust]

PCIe 4.0 has the bandwidth for crossfire

[latent light]

easily

[steep gust]

so fuck off Intel with your "PCIe 4.0 isn't needed for consumers" because you got beat to it

How to know you suck as marketing and can't be competitive anymore

[latent light]

once you utilize PCIe 4.0, that chipset fan is going to sound like a blower fan 290X

[steep gust]

eh

You can cool 25w passively

with enough case airflow

[latent light]

nah it's 15W peak, 11W average

[steep gust]

oh 11w is easy

I doubt the chipset fan will spin much for most people

[latent light]

the 50th anniversary card is just a binned one

and it's $50 more

[steep gust]

Looks cooler

might buy

[latent light]

75 MHz higher boost

[steep gust]

When is the release

[latent light]

july 7th

[steep gust]

fuck

I don't have the money to drop on a $550-600 GPU nor will I in a few weeks

[latent light]

tbh, the features were more impressive than the cards themself

RIS and FidelyFX

RIS looks like a DLSS killer

[steep gust]

I might buy someone's radeon 7 that has the red heatsink on it 😩

The card itself isn't the anniversary version, it just has the heatsink from it

[latent light]

that curvature on the shroud is supposedly going to help airflow a small bit

it's not exactly a cosmetic thing

[steep gust]

Doesn't look that bad

[latent light]

full specs

5700 stomps the RTX 2060 tbh

it was roughly 10-12% faster than it on average

and that will go up over time due to AMD driver optimization

[steep gust]

$500 for the gold one probably?

[latent light]

yeah the 50th is $499

regular 449

[steep gust]

hmm

big hmm

[latent light]

and the 5700 is $379

[steep gust]

I want waterblocks

😩

[latent light]

you know there's many ways to improve the blower fan design

without making the shroud bigger

Nvidia nor AMD never put enough aluminum fins even though there's room for it

looks good tbh, I wish they put the curve on the opposite side as well

[steep gust]

honestly tho

good looking card

won't find one in stock

[lofty light]

That does look damn good, I'd want it under water though

Can't wait for to do just that

[marsh crest]

yesterday my pc could run bfv on high settings nio problem

today it even l;ags at medium wtf

[lofty light]

The universe is telling you to go back to bf1

[marsh crest]

Lul

I like bfv tho

@lofty light

I have a rx 580 8gb and r5 2600

So it shoukd run fine at high or medium

I restarted the game

Gpnna see if that helps

And disabled vsybc

Vsync

[sour hound]

It should even run fine at ultra

What is your Gpu usage?

[marsh crest]

@sour hound for some reason my afterburner doesnt show up on this

Maybe bcz i have 8gb ram @sour hound

@sour hound

My pc sometimes acts up

So imma give it a quick restart

Yesterday it was running fine on high

[marsh crest]

Nope its still lsgging

Idfk what to do

Its my wifi

[sour hound]

Your wifi?

What's the problem with your wifi

Doesn't it work at all?

[marsh crest]

@sour hound its just slow

Now it sped up now ik playing ultra no problem

[vagrant quartz]

do you guys think vega 56/ vega 64 will be a better buy compared to navi from a price/performance pov

[supple bane]

if you want price to performance go with rx 580

[vagrant quartz]

ill rephrase then: price to performance in the upper class of gpus

oh yeah and im on 1440p

[prime jasper]

why wouldnt you get a newer card if you have the money?

[steep gust]

Why not wait until navi is out and benchmarks?

[vagrant quartz]

will do that @steep gust

[lofty light]

Yeah wait for sure, this close to a release you'd want to see what happens there as it'll effect prices

[prime jasper]

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-3950-5ghz-ln2-overclock-16-cores

At AMD's E3 event, the chip company decided to push the Ryzen 9 3950X to 5GHz using LN2. AMD was able to maintain these speeds across all 16 cores at 1.608V. The processor was mounted on a MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE motherboard which was loaded with G.Skill Trident Z Royal DDR4 modules running at 4533MHz.

[steep gust]

smh the 9960x hit 6.2ghz

[prime jasper]

the extra thousand dead presidents aint worth it at this point

[latent light]

I wonder who is going to buy the 16 core to disable 10 of the cores to get higher clocks

[storm osprey]

9960x costs 1700 though... 3950x costs 1k less...

[steep gust]

https://hwbot.org/submission/4168131_splave_pifast_core_i9_9960x_10sec_650ms

smh 6.2ghz

smh only 4c 4t

https://hwbot.org/submission/4168151_bigblock990_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9960x_5320_cb smh only 6ghz

Where is my 7ghz+ 10+ core

[prime jasper]

never happening this year

[latent light]

Xbox Scarlett and PS5 both have PCIe 4.0

[storm osprey]

i hope they make the ps5 just a big box so it doesnt get so loud

who is gonna care that their console is like 1-2 inches taller?

[steep gust]

I do

7.4L or less or no buy

[latent light]

looks like both consoles will have roughly RX 5700 performance

[storm osprey]

thats.. a big jump

[latent light]

maybe a little less because that's a 180W card

[steep gust]

That is questionable cus that is a $300 GPU

[storm osprey]

from 750 ti to 5700

[steep gust]

750ti is a resold card iirc

[latent light]

they are aiming to make every game capable of 4K 60 fps at least

but there's going to be 120hz support as well

[storm osprey]

lofty goals imo

[steep gust]

4k 60hz on super low

[latent light]

which is useless for people that use TVs

[steep gust]

[storm osprey]

what a weird scenaro

[steep gust]

You don't use a 4k 144hz HDR monitor to game on your ps4

smh

does the ps4 even have displayport

smh

[storm osprey]

doesnt a new version of hdmi support high resolution/hz

[steep gust]

idk

[latent light]

the One X can already do 4K 30 fps on Metro Exodus at seemingly high settings

[steep gust]

with upscaling

[storm osprey]

pretty sure theres a new hdmi that supports some forms of high resolution and hz

but no, ps4 pro doesnt have displayport

[steep gust]

HDMI 2.1 is new

[storm osprey]

tvs dont have displayport

[steep gust]

but 4k / 60

so big lame

smh imagine your display standard not being able to do 4k 120hz hdr

smh

[prime jasper]

not able to do 8k 240hz
Anno Domini 2019
cant make this shit up

[young karma]

so i changed a keybind then bfv crashed and now my sound on my pc isnt working anymore

not yet

but it does

it doesnt work

then i hear a weird sound thorugh my boxes

and then it doesnt work naymore

idk

its kidna weird

[prime jasper]

yup restart, try again

[young karma]

ok done

nvm seems to work fine now

thanks

[sacred walrus]

Fx 6300?

[little comet]

the rx 5700 will be 10x the size of the rx 570

[latent light]

RX 570/580 is 232mm² and the RX 5700XT is 251mm²

[steep gust]

I guess you have transistor density

but its not that kind of gain

[latent light]

the RX 5700XT could be sold as low as $250 and still be profitable

[steep gust]

I want a source from AMD and TSMC

[latent light]

probably costs $180-200 at most to make

[steep gust]

Ignore the millions in RD that both TSMC and AMD have spent

[latent light]

only thing that makes the manufacturing cost more than a RX 580 is the GDDR6

[steep gust]

and the GDDR6 memory controller

and manufacturing it on a new node, oh and the tolerances for GDDR6 are a lot higher

and more fun stuff

[pallid silo]

anyone in this discord server is 4k a monitor worth it? I can get one for 250 pounds and I am selling my 1440p 144hz monitor (This is for a workstation) or should i just go for 1440p 60hz not too sure if the bump to 4k will be worth it!

[latent light]

going to 60hz from 144hz?

[pallid silo]

i dont game 😛

this is my workstation pc

[latent light]

4K is good then

[pallid silo]

awesome! 😄

[lofty light]

Workstation I'd actually go with a higher quality visual display over resolution tbh

If I had the choice between a really nice IPS 2K monitor or a TN 4K I'd defs pick the prior

[steep gust]

@pallid silo If you are doing workstation I would go with a 4k IPS panel with good color accuracy

[lofty light]

👆

[craggy field]

(Jokes on y’all; humans can’t see in 4K)

[lost venture]

I see in 144p 😔

[lofty light]

I see in 16bit colour

[craggy field]

I see in 40x60

[latent light]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3950x-vs-intel-i9-9980xe-geekbench,39640.html

😩

[lofty light]

Tbh the 7980XE is a better chip

[marsh crest]

Do i need vsync on or off on bfv?

It runs fine with vsync on

When i turn vsybc off it lags alot

[slate rivet]

Anyone have a good free SQL guide/course?

[violet plank]

vsync off with gsync/freesync,on without @marsh crest

[marsh crest]

@violet plank my monitor doesnt support freesync

My screen doesnt tear tho

[violet plank]

so switch vsync on in game

or

really dosen't matter that much,do what works best in your case

with a for example gsync monitor (and ofc card) it needs to be turned off ig so that the driver software can control it

that's for the most games,but not all,can be complicated shite

x570 semi passive chipset cooling,looks interesting

ah crap,can't post pic

https://www.tomshw.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Overview-Fan-Curves.jpg

all boards/brands with x570 chipsets should be able to implement this

[latent light]

It looks like the RTX refresh is going to be good

Could be another 30% jump

But all cards are going to have higher TDP

[rigid knoll]

Is the S-series supposed to come later this fall?

Looks like I'm waiting out all hardware purchases now. Ryzen cpus probably first if they really turn out to be as good as expected

[prime jasper]

smart idea

[rigid knoll]

Was thinking about getting the PG279Q, but QA on the panels is still abysmal

[storm osprey]

only thing i would get anytime soon in case prices go up is ram

i personally dont see them going any cheaper

[rigid knoll]

Hm, good tip

But didn't current/previous gen Ryzen have some memory issues. Do we know now what will be fine for the upcoming gen?

[latent light]

2nd gen could support 2933 MHz natively but 3rd gen will do 3200 MHz out of box

[storm osprey]

you can get g skill ripjaw ram on newegg with a code right now for 67 bucks

[latent light]

TSMC finishes 5nm production next year, 3nm in 2021 and 2nm in 2022

[storm osprey]

16gb 3000mhz

g skill aegies for 60 bucks with code

[steep gust]

We have zero information on NVidia's SUPER bullshit

[prime jasper]

I'm sure it'll still be super overpriced

[steep gust]

[latent light]

the 2060 refresh has 13% more cores than the current 2060

[steep gust]

Also if those prices don't include VRAM

Add $100+ per card

[prime jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-la-noire-cole-phelps-gif-13372170

[latent light]

they said prices will be cut too

[steep gust]

Did they or is this a leak

[latent light]

https://wccftech.com/exclusive-nvidias-super-gpus-unleashing-monsters/

[steep gust]

Guys we cut our $1200 GPU to $1000

Wccftech

[latent light]

they said this info is exclusive from people within Nvidia

[steep gust]

Anyone can say that

My source inside of NVidia says they are gonna send 2080ti to everyone for free

[prime jasper]

the ultimate source of fake news lel

[violet plank]

2080ti super,2500 $

[latent light]

thing is, if this info is true, TDP is going to rise a lot on this refresh

[steep gust]

Look at the Navi leaks

Still gonna buy a gold one cus I want to

[latent light]

new 2080Ti would be a 300W card

[violet plank]

wondering if the rumor is true that the 2080ti super has a complete new chip

[latent light]

doubt

could be a bin

[steep gust]

2080ti isn't the full TU106 core or whatever

[latent light]

is the Titan RTX a TU106?

[violet plank]

no idea

[latent light]

"Turns out, there is an RTX 2080 Ti SUPER variant and its a brand new chip. It’s not an old part and it’s not a repurposed Quadro part (trust me, I asked). Oh, and its completely unlocked, meaning the AIBs can have 300 watts TDP on this thing if they wanted to – and knowing the insane custom designs that come out of AIBs, I wouldn’t be surprised to see this. I don’t have the exact specifications of the chip or the exact pricing yet but I am fairly confident this will have a higher core count as well as faster GDDR6 memory."

[violet plank]

only thing i'm sure off,the super cards will be super expensive

yeah i read that too

[latent light]

I don't know why people buy 300W cards, Vega 64 was a hot mess

[violet plank]

it's up to 300w i gues

[steep gust]

uh

[latent light]

if you were playing a game, you'd need an air conditioner running so your own room wouldn't make you sweat

[violet plank]

or hope lol

[steep gust]

biggest there

completely unlocked

[latent light]

smug

[steep gust]

This is fucking NVidia we haven't had a completely unlocked GPU in gnerations

[prime jasper]

but you'll buy it anyway for overclocking lulz

[steep gust]

Can't afford it

and Turing isn't a good experience for overclocking

Why would I want to buy Turing 2

[prime jasper]

but betrayed-kun, its not turing...its SUPER TURING

[violet plank]

2080ti,a 4 slot card

[steep gust]

Waterblocks if its gonna draw 300-400w

I don't want to hear fans and heatpipes have a limit

[prime jasper]

built in 360mm AIO

lel

[violet plank]

imo in the end the super cards are just 10% higher clocked normal cards

for 30% higher prices

[steep gust]

yeah NVidia would need a new heatsink if its gonna be like 300w stock

[prime jasper]

dont worry, Dr. Su the destroyer of worlds will save us

[steep gust]

The founder's edition already runs hotter and louder than other cards

[violet plank]

lmao

i have to admit,the golden 5700 looks really nice

but replacing it with my 1080ti would be such a downgrade

[steep gust]

give me a reason to not buy one

Outside of needing a $120-150 waterblock

[prime jasper]

to not buy what?

[violet plank]

reason for me,i don't like downgrades

[steep gust]

The gold 5700XT

It will probably end up as more of a sidegrade

we don't have performance numbers

[violet plank]

for a 1080ti ?

[latent light]

the 50th anniversary 5700XT has 75MHz higher boost

then again, partner cards will probably go even higher

[steep gust]

AMD has the best binned GPUs

I can type

[latent light]

can type?

[violet plank]

curious for the undervolt/overclocking

[latent light]

[violet plank]

like vega 56

[latent light]

AMD always undervolts well

they always feed more voltage than needed when stock

especially Polaris and Vega

I'm running my RX 580 at it's normal boost clock but -125 mV on the voltage

no performance loss

it consumes about the same as a 1060 now

[violet plank]

i still doubt a 5700xt can beat a 1080ti,but it would be nice,i would buy one for an AMD only system😏

[latent light]

5700XT is a 2070 competitor, and based on their own benchmarks, it was 6% faster than it on average with the games they tested

[steep gust]

I should really buy a 1080ti instead

but a 1080ti isn't gold

[latent light]

they were pretty fair about those benchmarks too, showing games that aren't even optimized for AMD

[steep gust]

[latent light]

like AC Odyssey and PUBG

[violet plank]

paint it gold

[storm osprey]

showing "best of" was a good indication

[violet plank]

well we have to wait for the benches

[steep gust]

Also if I buy a 5700XT that is easy points on HWBot because all the extreme people aren't gonna buy a card for $500 that performs worse than a 1080ti

[violet plank]

independent

navi 10 is a 2020 release right ?

[latent light]

Navi seems to have a precision overclock like Ryzen X CPUs have

so you may not be able to get an overclock higher than the boost unless you have water

[violet plank]

like locked ?

[latent light]

if you have a Ryzen X processor, manual overclocking isn't needed unless you want a specific clock speed and voltage

[violet plank]

ah right,forgot about that one

i'm still on intel on my gaming rig

but cpu change is a sure thing

[latent light]

I've got a 1600 oc at 3.8 GHz at 1.325v with the stock cooler

[violet plank]

just dunno which one

[latent light]

I'm getting the 3600

which will be a decent 25-30% jump

[steep gust]

Intel released a similar concept to PBO

[violet plank]

gonna get the one which can be oc'd the best i guess

[steep gust]

but no one has tested it and I wouldn't

[violet plank]

should be the 3800 ?

[latent light]

AMD has a few top of the line engineers but there's not many of them

[violet plank]

or maybe the with 2 chiplets you get better cooling ?

[latent light]

I'm sure the I/O die doesn't get that hot

but the chiplets will

[violet plank]

yeah

well,less than a month away for real benches

think i'm gonna wait another 2 months after release

i don't trust the initial bios of the boards

[violet plank]

oh,didn't realize the 16 core is officially listed already

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3950x

still wtf moment reading the highest boost clock with 105w tdp

[latent light]

https://twitter.com/MarissaHop/status/1138329843647442944?s=17

Marissa Sandell (@MarissaHop)

Good night

Likes

130

Twitter

That's the box for the Ryzen 9 CPUs

[storm osprey]

love it

orange my bae

[latent light]

https://www.computerbase.de/forum/attachments/3434343-png.790639/

It slides open

Says "mission complete"

[violet plank]

beautiful

[supple bane]

"fapping intensifies"

[violet plank]

damit,i'm so tempted with the 3950x

[signal forge]

hello I need help

anyone up?

[prime jasper]

just fell asleep bro

[supple bane]

#timezones

not everyone is at night time

any way

whats your issue ?

[signal forge]

sorry for that

I'm getting some stuck pixels on my screen

it is growing everyday

[prime jasper]

probably a bad screen or a bad card. swap them out if you have extras to test

[signal forge]

card?

GPU? hm ok i have one

but the thing is its changing everyday! at first it was like a water drop now its a small line

[violet plank]

got a picture `?

and what happens if you press on that part of the screen ?

[signal forge]

yes but it says missing permisson

[violet plank]

upload it somewhere

and link it here

[signal forge]

okok

[violet plank]

my guess,broken screen

had something similar once

[signal forge]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/g3pefTxZGKMQLQf78

https://photos.app.goo.gl/X2niPGPLumjTYTpU7

[prime jasper]

bad screen

[signal forge]

!!

[supple bane]

screen is fucked

[signal forge]

i didn't even hit it

[violet plank]

happens

[prime jasper]

you looked at it wrong

[violet plank]

lol

[signal forge]

its from acer

and they sent me this

[violet plank]

rma

[signal forge]

https://us.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/96#_ga=2.190100962.853357380.1556005198-158885336.1556005198

[violet plank]

still got warranty ?

[latent light]

the RX 5700XT performs slightly faster than the RTX 2070 while using a significantly smaller GPU.

[signal forge]

yes yes

its on warranty

[violet plank]

yeah,rma

[signal forge]

RMA?

[violet plank]

return it for a new one

[signal forge]

Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting Acer India Helpdesk.

We regret for the inconvenience caused to you.

As per shared snap shots, it is not cover under warranty.Kindly access below mentioned link to know about dead pixels policy. it will help you with the same.

https://us.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/96#_ga=2.190100962.853357380.1556005198-158885336.1556005198

You are requested to reach us through Chat support as mentioned below for faster response.

https://account.acer.com/sso/signin

Thank you for choosing Acer. Looking forward for an everlasting and valued relationship.

they sent me this

[violet plank]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_merchandise_authorization

wtf not covered ?

[signal forge]

they sent some link and I'm unable to understand it!

https://us.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/96#_ga=2.190100962.853357380.1556005198-158885336.1556005198

[violet plank]

that's broken af,like dozens of dead pixels

[prime jasper]

send them the pics

[signal forge]

i did

[violet plank]

what resolution has your screen ?

[signal forge]

1920*1080

Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting Acer India Helpdesk.

We regret for the inconvenience caused to you.

As we understand from the attachment there is a dead pixel on the display and unfortunately the same will not cover under warranty as per Acer dead pixel policy.

they sent me this after sending the pics

[violet plank]

well dosen't really matter,it above 5 anyways

[prime jasper]

a dead pixel

singular

lele

[violet plank]

write them back they should wear glasses,that's like dozens of dead pixels,they have to send you a new one

[signal forge]

Did it waiting for a reply

its new monitor

like 4 months old

144hz

any idea how much it will cot

cost*

[prime jasper]

if you got it from a store take it back

[signal forge]

amazon

online

[prime jasper]

contact amazon support

[violet plank]

short count is over 100 dead subpixels,even if you divide that by 3 you got still 30 dead full pixels

[signal forge]

yup I felt that too

[violet plank]

and yeah,contact amazon if you got it from them

should be an easy return

[limber lotus]

hello i need tech support

[signal forge]

TQ GUYS i will try amazon support

[latent light]

PSU prices are insane

most half decent 650W PSUs are going for $80+

[storm osprey]

ok so it wasnt just me

[latent light]

64 core 3rd gen Threadripper is a possibility

[forest token]

206 241 176 114 282 429 205 248 <--- ryzen 3900x 206 241 163 114 266 391 205 248 fps <-- ryzen 3800x 206 236 163 114 259 360 188 245 fps <-- ryzen 3600x

according to amd's slides going from a $250 processor to a $500 processor doesn't help framerates much

so hopefully they gpu bottlenecked

[latent light]

the games they showed must of been running on the 5700XT

although it wouldn't surprise me if they used a Nvidia card as well

https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/06/1080p_gaming_1-100798889-large.jpg

205 fps in PUBG

must of been something fairly powerful

if those games are at low/medium settings then damn that CPU performance is impressive

usually the gap between Intel and Ryzen gets bigger the lower the graphics settings in games are

so if 3rd gen Ryzen can match Intel in games at low settings then that's a damn miracle

[long sphinx]

can someone fast forward to july 7th so we can see how they perform

[latent light]

AMD hasn't gimped their CPU benchmarks at all with the previous Ryzen gens

so I'm not doubting those

and the new Windows 10 update that lands next month will optimize CCX in Ryzen CPUs

because currently Windows is a bit random when it comes to accessing cores per CCX currently

where cores are located in Ryzen CPUs

up to 4 cores per CCX

[long sphinx]

wasnt the latest patch?

[latent light]

Ryzen 3 has 2 cores per CCX, Ryzen 5 has 3 cores per CCX and Ryzen 7/9 have 4 cores in each

no they haven't done it yet

not the official one

[long sphinx]

u sure?

[latent light]

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XMWS0_9gNo&

he says in this video that Level1tech confirmed that the patch hasn't taken effect yet

and it will once 3rd gen launches

[long sphinx]

amd going to make a lot of monies this year

hope they dont get greedy af

[latent light]

Microsoft is optimizing for AMD now that it's popular, which is corporatism at its finest

they didn't want to help AMD when they were in a big deficit

but now that AMD is gaining marketshare they want to optimize now lol

[long sphinx]

microsoft be like Italy in wars

[prime jasper]

backstabbing and ineffective?

[long sphinx]

Turncoat

[prime jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-italian-gif-5145663

[little comet]

as far as I know AMD is just cheaper lol

[latent light]

they match Intel now

and Intel has nothing to offer but refreshes of Skylake

Intel's 10nm desktop is scheduled for 2021 which by then AMD will be on 5nm EUV by then, possibly up to 30% faster

[little comet]

sorry but whats the nm mean?

[latent light]

by the time Intel launches 10nm, their own 7nm laptop chips will be out

nm = nanometer

the size of lithography

[little comet]

size of transistor?

[latent light]

basically

[little comet]

ah

[latent light]

Intel has great 14nm technology but it's reaching its limits

and they won't be able to make the jump to 10nm until 2021

we will see another Coffee Lake refresh this year, a replacement for the 9900K, which will be a 10 core with probably slightly higher IPC

[little comet]

ah so intel is getting worse at making CPUs basically

progress is slowing down

[latent light]

yeah just slow progress

10nm was a huge letdown and they've been delaying it for 4 years now

10nm won't even be able to reach 5 GHz

[little comet]

tbh I'm not really that interested as of now in getting the most expensive stuff available

looked it up apparently mine (Ryzen 5 2600) is 12 nm

[latent light]

TSMC 12nm is still 14nm

kind of confusing to understand but yeah, TSMC makes chips for AMD and Nvidia

Intel makes their own chips

TSMC 12nm, 14nm, 16nm are the same nodes

TSMC has been hitting the jackpot in their research and development, they already started 5nm production and are currently building fabs to make 3nm

and after 3nm comes 2nm

[little comet]

ok

sorry I don't really know too much about this kind of stuff

[latent light]

https://hexus.net/business/news/components/131687-tsmc-becomes-first-announce-rd-2nm-node/

2024 for 2nm

[little comet]

apparently the 2 really expensive ones only are 3.6 and 3.8 GHz

9980XE and Ryzen 9 3950X

[latent light]

expensive doesn't mean better

[little comet]

I mean pretty good but mine is 3,4 and cost $290 CAD

[latent light]

a i7-9700K will wipe the floor with the 9980XE

in gaming

[little comet]

ah

9980XE has more cores?

[latent light]

9980XE is a workstation CPU, it can still game but it won't be the like the 9700k/9900k

you have a R5 2600, there's benchmarks showing the 3600 that comes out in 4 weeks will be roughly 25% faster

[little comet]

after 4 cores any more becomes somewhat excessive right?

[latent light]

Battlefield V can utilize 8 cores

[little comet]

oh

I see

so the 9980XE and its 16 or whatever cores wouldn't make any difference in BFV

[latent light]

the reason the 9980XE loses in gaming is because of latency in the cores or some shit like that

[little comet]

because much cheaper CPUs have 8 cores and thats all it needs to perform optimally

how many can BF1 use?

[latent light]

6

[little comet]

oh damn mine has 6

tfw the CPUs in my schools computers can be bought online for $7

[latent light]

you have 6 cores and 12 threads

having 12 threads helps

I'd say 90% of all games can utilize multithreading

some games don't

[little comet]

are threads like the cores splitting their power between multiple tasks?

[long sphinx]

2nm dude thats like.... my bank account

[latent light]

games that do utilize multiple threads, your 6 cores /12 threads can be compared to an 8 cores/8 thread

[long sphinx]

so whats next after 1nm

0nm, implanted chips ftw

[little comet]

fuck yeah

0 nm

but wait

[latent light]

2nm could be a limit

[little comet]

larger numbers mean better CPUs though

how could this be

[latent light]

hydrogen atom is only 0.2nm in size, so 2nm is literally only 10 hydrogen atoms wide lmao

which is crazy to think about

[little comet]

oh dang

thats pretty heccin smol

as the cool kids say

[long sphinx]

how about nitrogen

can you still oc it

[little comet]

we need to keep randomly fusing elements until we get an atom that is capable of functioning as atransistor

[long sphinx]

so 5nm fabs are already being made?

[latent light]

yes 5nm chips are already made and testing tbh

7nm EUV (different from 7nm) started mass production already

[long sphinx]

hmmm

isnt 7nm only made through euv technique?

[prime jasper]

@little comet Think of this, the big core intel's are like big diesel trucks. They will haul any load you want, but it's up to you to tune the cpu all the way up and have the proper cooling

big cores are fast asfk ONLY if you have the right cooling, ram, and tunning

[latent light]

for Ryzen and Apple, their 7nm isn't EUV yet

it will be next year

[long sphinx]

so ryzen 3000 isnt a good buy then

[latent light]

it is

[prime jasper]

zen 2 good stuff

[little comet]

oh

[long sphinx]

cos most of the next step is already done

[little comet]

so it like increases the cost of PSU and cooling basically

[long sphinx]

its like they did a tick and a tock in one those crazy mofos

[latent light]

Ryzen 3000 is literally the closest AMD have been to Intel in over 15 years

[little comet]

and bigger electricity usage and stuff

[latent light]

in gaming

[long sphinx]

5nm ryzen will be introduced 2021 then ez

[prime jasper]

Yeah, with out a high OC on the mesh and not good ram, big core cpu's are slow in games @little comet

[little comet]

ah thanks

[latent light]

if you are running a 9980XE, use quad-channel memory

should give a 10% bump

[prime jasper]

Yes, games like bfv benefit quad channel very well

[latent light]

did you hear about the 10th gen coffee lake refresh with 10 cores 20 threads?

[long sphinx]

no what about it

[latent light]

probably a R9 3900X competitor

[long sphinx]

pfff it will retail like 700 bucks at least

couldnt care less

more like 800

[latent light]

Ryzen's IPC is now roughly 8-10% higher than Intel thanks to the new 3000 series, so if they do EUV for the next gen, we could see 5 GHz boost clock on Ryzen

[long sphinx]

the only thing i want to know is how good can the r7 3700x oc

[latent light]

EUV process should improve power consumption and clock speeds theoretically

[long sphinx]

fuck i want to upgrade, but 2021 looks so good

so promising

who knows

maybe ill be dead af by then

[lofty light]

I reckon I'll upgrade

Biggest issue is finding a motherboard as nice as my X99 Sabertooth again

[long sphinx]

good thing is that next gen consoles are coming with current tech

that should provide future proofing

[lofty light]

It is good, but the perf numbers they're throwing aren't amazing

[long sphinx]

i challenge you to find a better price perf cost MB for ryzen than the x470 Taichi

[lofty light]

Don't like the look of the taichi

[long sphinx]

it is horrid

but its loaded af

[lofty light]

Plus I have a grudge against ASRock

[latent light]

I predict the Xbox Scarlett and PS5 are going to have a Ryzen 7 that wasn't binned well enough to be a desktop CPU and it will be clocked at 3 GHz max

[long sphinx]

for 230 bucks

[latent light]

and the Navi GPU will be a 5700

[long sphinx]

maybe i should keep my pc and buy a console?

naw i cant do it

my younger self would punch me in the face

[steep gust]

@latent light Desktop 10nm won't happen

Intel has removed it from their roadmaps as far as I know

[latent light]

oof

Intel 7nm mobile in 2021

their 7nm is doing better than 10nm already

so 14nm refreshes until then

[prime jasper]

Sounds good 2 me

[latent light]

people think a company like Intel will never fall, people said the same thing about IBM

[steep gust]

IBM is still around

[latent light]

yeah but barely a company

[steep gust]

eh

They do a lot

[long sphinx]

barely?

lel

[steep gust]

They just aren't the powerhouse they were

[long sphinx]

they are still the powerhouse but not intended for consumers

like before

[latent light]

IBM does things like cloud computing, cognitive computing, Data

[long sphinx]

bigly

they dont care about plebs

nor they need the extra money

[latent light]

IBM biggest market is enterprise server I think

but Intel still crushes them at that

[steep gust]

intel is going to bleed market share

with eypc 2

[latent light]

I know, especially in Asia and Europe

but not a lot in the USA tbh

Intel has too many partners in NA

[steep gust]

PCIe 4.0 is important for a lot of servers

intel has nothing

because PCIe 4.0 doesn't help "real world gaming"

[long sphinx]

that small bar makes them pretty much the same revenue as intel bigger sales

[latent light]

Navi is supposedly going to benefit from PCIe 4.0

maybe not now

but maybe in a couple years

[steep gust]

storage is more important

[latent light]

Intel is already talking about PCIe 5.0

wonder how hot of a chipset that will brew up

[long sphinx]

it will be pretty expensive

looking at how costly is to make pcie 4.0 mb

[steep gust]

There isn't the hardware to do pcie 5.0 currently

and AMD will most likely beat intel to DDR5, which will be amazing

[long sphinx]

its really weird how suddenly scientist are coming up with huge leaps in performance in months

[steep gust]

uh

PCIe 4.0

has been in the works

for like years

[long sphinx]

i know

and now 5.0 is done

[steep gust]

The specification has been done since may

That doesn't mean its coming anytime soon

PCIe 4.0 was announced June 8, 2017

[long sphinx]

and next month you get the 5nm wafer like there you go anything else?

intel banging the 10nm wall for years

[steep gust]

Intel is done with 10nm

7nm EUV is the next consumer step

[long sphinx]

ragequit

[steep gust]

Its not cost effective

AMD doesn't have to pay for the foundries

They use TSMC

[long sphinx]

yep

same as nvidia

TSMC the real mvp

[steep gust]

TSMC 7nm and Intel 7nm are not equal and entirely different

[long sphinx]

yeah they are like 2.1 ghz

ultra low power or they fry

the thing is

Intel is like 10 times bigger than amd

[steep gust]

[long sphinx]

both in talent and money

[steep gust]

uh

Do you understand what IPC is?

[latent light]

Sony is 1/12th the size of Microsoft yet has a much better game studio partnership and sells way more consoles

[long sphinx]

yeah but microsoft isnt know for gaming consoles

intel is know for making cpus

[steep gust]

Intel isn't known for desktop CPUs

[latent light]

Xbox 360 was very popular

[steep gust]

Intel makes its money in mobile and server CPUs

[latent light]

tbh the reason Xbox doesn't get as much sales is because it's not available in most asian markets

[long sphinx]

yes its badly priced outside US

compared to PS

[latent light]

xbox and playstation sells are competitive in the USA

[storm osprey]

Imo Xbox is only competitive in us because of the American aspect, there's almost no reason to get an xbox

[latent light]

there's also game pass and games with gold

also having the best hardware in the console market

[prime jasper]

PSN still down

?

[prime jasper]

nm

[soft pecan]

Laptop blue screen while not gaming, just idle. Lol everytime bluescreen the nvidia card is not even active

Would integrated gpu ever got overloaded? I put almost every non game exe to run on intel card

[oak gate]

hey guys

got a quick question.. about discord that i'm not able to figure out

on another Server, the BF stat tracker bot is appearing as offline and so it doesn't work

anyone knows how to fix that?

yes mate

ok i'll try to remove and re-integrate

ah alright

yeah man gonna try

thanks though

[storm osprey]

@latent light super late response, but i fell asleep. idk, i dont see getting an xbox when i could get a pc and get 95% of their games anyway

[steep gust]

What games does xbox have

Halo?

oh wait

[storm osprey]

the only game i can think of off the top of my head that isnt on any other platform is sunset overdrive

[steep gust]

wait 2060s were $320?

I can't remember how much they cost

[storm osprey]

2060 msrp is 360 iirc

1660ti is 280 and i remember it being roughly a 70 dollar difference between them

[steep gust]

[storm osprey]

matches cheapest on pcpartpicker, but isnt a single fan

[random flax]

i cantt play bf v

50 fps and it drops

can some1 give me control pannel settingis on nvidia to gain moe fps

or in game

[storm osprey]

everything low/off

toggle between dx 11/12

[random flax]

gtx 1070

no way m doing it low

dx 12

is it fine?

[storm osprey]

toggle future frame render

(i have it off since input lag)

[random flax]

i have it on

i see every video on gtx 1070 its gain more fps

[storm osprey]

visibility is better on low settings

i put ultra textures since i like nice textures

[random flax]

where is it

i wanna play ultra to but not in 50 fps

where is visibility

?

[storm osprey]

visibility is how you can see the game

its a matter of all the settings

theres no 1 "visibility" setting

[random flax]

where is it

[storm osprey]

its not a setting

[random flax]

on jackfrags its an game filter

how do iopen it up

how do i open game filter on gtx

nvidia* ??

[prime jasper]

you have to have geforce experience installed first

[random flax]

yes

how do i open it in game

[prime jasper]

alt f3 maybe? I forgot

maybe f2

[random flax]

yep

its already on off

so why i still have only 50 fps

[supple bane]

m8 if you have those specs, there is something wrong with your hardware

[random flax]

and drops

[supple bane]

settings isnt going to get you to what you should have

[random flax]

@supple bane i took it to the lanb

lab

[supple bane]

send me a pic of the inside of your pc in dm's

i think you have the issue i have

the ram is in the wrong slots

[random flax]

no

already try it

[supple bane]

it would help if you gave us everything of your specs

so we might now if there is a bottleneck

[random flax]

gtx 1070
i7 6850
32 ram

...

[supple bane]

i doubt it is, but is the ram 1x32? or is it like 2x16

[random flax]

how do i check

?

[storm osprey]

how many physical sticks do you have of ram

[random flax]

umm

i think 2 i cant check cuz then my pc will just go off

[supple bane]

what?

go off?

[storm osprey]

you can open the side of your pc without it shutting off

[random flax]

icant my pc is kindia stupid

like if i moved it a little bit than its go off

[prime jasper]

[storm osprey]

ill assume you have 2 sticks

[random flax]

yep

...

[prime jasper]

you might have thermal issues

[supple bane]

i think he has the ram in the wrong slots

like 1 and 2

not 2 and 4

[storm osprey]

well we also dont know his resolution

ultra settings at 1440p i could imagine getting around 60 fps

[supple bane]

and if it keeps turning off then i imagine a cable is loose inside

again, another reason to send us a pic of the inside

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2bjrPgPUxI

[latent light]

@random flax download CPU-Z and go to the Memory tab

[storm osprey]

this video shows 60-70, and that was before the games optimization went to poo

[random flax]

@latent light is it gonna help ?

?

[latent light]

yes it will give you info

[random flax]

@storm osprey this is my settings

...

[latent light]

have you checked temperatures in game?

[random flax]

yeah

evrey thing is fine

[supple bane]

i wish you would just check the inside to double check you have the ram in the correct spots

i firmly believe thats what it is

[steep gust]

CPU-Z tells you if its dual channel or not

[random flax]

its in the right spots

trust me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2bjrPgPUxI
i have the exact settings on bf v shouldi change it

?

[latent light]

considering you have 2x16GB sticks and have a Broadwell-E motherboard, it could be in the wrong slots

[steep gust]

Broadwell-E

!jumbo

[latent light]

OOF!

[supple bane]

well. how do you know if you havent checked

and no offence, and im not being big headed or anything, but you havent shown lets say "lots of knowledge" on the subject so it would be a great help if you just made sure either with taking the side panel off or using cpu z.

[random flax]

cuz i was going to the lab they say evrey thing in the right place there is no problam in the gtx

cuz i thought it is

[supple bane]

well if its in slot 1 and 2 it doesnt mean its in the WRONG place, it just means its not in the optimum place

[latent light]

your motherboard has 8 ram slots, you only have 2 sticks of ram, it's very easy to make a mistake in the placement of the ram

[supple bane]

^

that is the only thing i can think of that would cause low fps

bf hates single channel ram

[prime jasper]

check your motherboards manual for RAM placement

[latent light]

@random flax if you download CPU-Z from the cpuid website, you can figure out the issue without having to open your pc

[supple bane]

the thing where your pc shuts off if you open it also might be resolved if you open it

im assuming a cable is hanging out

and if you move the case, it comes free

check the power cable for that goes into the back of the pc, check if its in properly

[random flax]

i guess i will just play on medium

[latent light]

bruh

[random flax]

is it can be because tv monitor

?

[supple bane]

no

[latent light]

that wouldn't have an effect on fps

[random flax]

nvdidia global settings that i changed?

[supple bane]

why would you ask for help, then when we gibe you tons of options, you just say you dont need them ?

that isnt going to make that much of a difference

[random flax]

cuz its things that i alreday did

[supple bane]

settings might give you like 10 fps

[random flax]

check ram if in the right place

[prime jasper]

reset nvidia global settings to defaults too

[random flax]

i checked

@prime jasper and app settings should be restor to ?

[prime jasper]

which app?

[random flax]

the bf v is restore to when i restor global settigs

[prime jasper]

yes restore defaults and try again

[random flax]

ok...

j

[supple bane]

he is missing like 100 fps, settings isnt the problem

[prime jasper]

when i play bf1 my pc runs at 100% cpu and 20-30% gpu whats this mean

[random flax]

bf v cpu 20-30 to

....

[supple bane]

it means that your cpu is bottlenecking your gpu

[prime jasper]

?

[supple bane]

in most cases at least

[prime jasper]

a 1070 wont get you 100fps at 1440p lol

[supple bane]

he is playing at 1440p?

[prime jasper]

bruh im playing 720p

[supple bane]

not you!

[prime jasper]

ouch

[random flax]

My hdmi 1080 p

[supple bane]

yes

on medium he should get around 100-150

he is getting 50

[random flax]

Medium 70-60

[supple bane]

there is something wrong hardware wise there

[prime jasper]

am i screwing up anything with what i said

[supple bane]

no

[prime jasper]

ok thanks

[supple bane]

wait....

[prime jasper]

?

what brand is your card? @random flax

[supple bane]

do you have an fps cap on...

[prime jasper]

idk even know what that is

[supple bane]

not you...

[prime jasper]

oh

lol bye

[supple bane]

make sure that v-sync is off, and that you have the fps cap at 200

[random flax]

When I got lags then nevidia support told me to put power mangemanr on maximum perform the vertical sync off trippel buffering of and more settings on on and maximum pre 3

...

Now when I before I restor it’s was in delfoult

Like i never tuch it

[supple bane]

i honestly dont even know what you are talking about now lol

[random flax]

Nvidia sttings

...

[supple bane]

how many times do i have to say they give you 5 fps on max!

[lavish shale]

guys I have problem with geforce it make message that game can not optimize ?

[supple bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571264689561141291/589139149576208460/unknown.png

look

thats the best nvidia settings

it will give you 5 fps at most

[prime jasper]

@random flax what brand is your card?

[random flax]

how do i check

i dont remember

[supple bane]

im pretty sure the only way to check is to open your case

i dont know any program that tells you your brand

[prime jasper]

actually I think cpu-z may tell you

gpu-z for sure

[latent light]

@random flax

this is the placement for your motherboard

[lavish shale]

hello
guys I have problem with geforce it make message that game can not optimize ?

[supple bane]

blegh

[latent light]

uninstall GeForce Experience and change the settings yourself

[supple bane]

ye

[latent light]

GeForce is ass

[lavish shale]

I didnt but nothing

[supple bane]

gfe settings just change the ingame settings yanno

also @random flax your ram should be the in the slots that @latent light mentions above

[lavish shale]

I did all reinstall geforce and nvidia drivers but nothing

[storm osprey]

i didnt mention nothing

[supple bane]

dont worry about it

[storm osprey]

liar

[supple bane]

oh shit

sorry

hahah

[storm osprey]

but shit ill take credit

[latent light]

[supple bane]

[prime jasper]

[random flax]

They are

[supple bane]

ok

[latent light]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-are-you-sure-about-that-gif-7408221

[random flax]

Yes m sure

[supple bane]

have you taken the pannel off and checked ?

your pc isnt going to explode if you do that yanno...

[random flax]

They where he mentioned when I toke from the lab even when I build@my@pc it was there

[supple bane]

the only other thing i can think of is that your thermal throttling

[prime jasper]

lab?

[supple bane]

im assuming a pc shop

[random flax]

Pc lab

Lol

[latent light]

just get rid of that shit HEDT CPU and motherboard then

if you think it's already in optimal configuration

I ask you to download CPU-Z to check on your memory specs and you don't, we tell you to open your PC and check for yourself and you don't

it's getting to a point where we might stop helping you

[supple bane]

you took the words right out of my mouth

i was just too afraid to say it