technology

[latent light]

single channel ram will get between 30-50% lower performance than dual channel ram

and it's even bigger than 50% if you are using Ryzen

[lofty light]

What's your cpu also

Basically overall you'll want to lower settings to minimum and there's that latency setting that gives much better performance for very slightly more latency

[mystic jasper]

has anyone an idea why my 2070 is @ around 30% load while my i78700k @ around 80 is?

and then i had only 20fps while the harware wasnt @ 100% load at all...

[prime jasper]

Hey, i cant run BFV smoothly, i have i57400, gtx 1070 and 8 gb of ram, keeps dipping when i the heat of the moment and when in enter towns etc. Can run SWBF2 fine and BF1 also ok
does anyone know whats wrong?

playing on low at this point

[mystic jasper]

Snutten could we talk about the settings? easier than writing

ah allright

would futur frame rendering fix some of the problems i had?

so it actualy improves ur fps?

also why cant u enable dlss?

ok

np

thanks anyways

im looking at the article right now. where or what is the nvidia controll panel?

[prime jasper]

@plain vessel future fram rendering? im not such a tech man oops

but i should be able to run it right?

[mystic jasper]

ok

ill do that instead 😄

[prime jasper]

i mean i have minimum specs

it just stutters

i am gonna try that out now

[mystic jasper]

i have two monitors. one @ 60 hz, th eother @ 75. what should i set the limit in bf5 to?

ok

so 75

[prime jasper]

aabout to try it

[mystic jasper]

why do they recomend setting the fps limit in the advanced tab to 200?

[prime jasper]

huh? I dont think thats the recommended anything you can set it how you want it

@plain vessel i did what the article said, some thing go to ultra, still stutters but more like when i start movement

DX? sorry idk what that is

dx11 or dx12

where do i see?

uhm i bfv you mean? because i dont see anything called dx

oh wait

it says

DX12 disabled?

ok

you also might be running out of RAM, do you have a second monitor you can open task manager on?

no i dont, think the ram might be the issue do

[mystic jasper]

where is the hardware-acceleration in the discord settingd?

[prime jasper]

but recommended is 8 gb and i have that

8gb is minimum, not recommended

8gb does not gaurentee anything smooth

fair

[mystic jasper]

12 is recommended

[prime jasper]

@plain vessel with dx12 on i run about 59/76 fps but it goes up and down, can i get this stabilized?

uh

on the hamada map its around 80 then, buyt on the riverside artillery(twisted steel) its around 67, with dx 12 on, but stutters less @plain vessel

i ment off for the last one so fine ill use it, thanks for the help

[steep gust]

Play on the lowest settings to see mans better

[twilit pewter]

There are no SA servers

Btw

[mystic jasper]

why do they recommend turning vsync off?

cause if its off i get these terrible screen-tearing problems

[prime jasper]

thats what vsync helps to fix if you dont have adaptive syncing

[mystic jasper]

but why do many ppl say its a bad thing in games?

[steep gust]

vsync isn't good

it adds input lag

and screen tearing is generally not an issue

[violet plank]

if you have gsync/freesync you need to turn it off ig anyways

[timber storm]

did new patch messed up with fps?

i am getting stuttering issues since yesterday

[violet plank]

last patch,yes

[timber storm]

.

no wonder i am getting dropped to 40 fps

[supple bane]

is your ram 2x4 or 1x8?

[random flax]

i have gtx 1070 i know ultra is 70-50 but i m on high and its 50-60 and have so many fps drop to 40-20

can i fix it/

[supple bane]

bfv isnt gpu based

your cpu is more important

[random flax]

can i do sotmhing to get more fps

?

[supple bane]

what cpu do you have?

[random flax]

um how do i checl XD

check

[steep gust]

BFV is everything based

[supple bane]

task manager

[random flax]

cpu 2-%

20%

[supple bane]

in the top right

[random flax]

left in my task manager is cpu 20%

how do i make it up

ohh

ok

i see

what to do now

@supple bane ?

[supple bane]

what cpu is it ?

[random flax]

intel core i7

[supple bane]

and the rest ?

[random flax]

3.60GHZ

[supple bane]

[random flax]

6850K ? xd

[supple bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571264689561141291/587655300287299595/unknown.png

oh

ye

thats it

[random flax]

what should i do now

?

[supple bane]

ye you should be seeing way better performance than that

[random flax]

so there is nothing i can do

[supple bane]

try the other dx

[random flax]

..

[supple bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422598689928773632/587616639776718899/unknown.png

you see the thing at the top

[random flax]

yes

[supple bane]

change that to the other one from the one you are using

so if its on dx 11 try dx 12 and vise versa

[random flax]

the dx12 is off all of them off but the high dynamic range is auto should i do it off?

[supple bane]

no just leave that

[random flax]

and gpu memory off ?

[supple bane]

just leave all that, just change the dx

then restart and see what you get

[random flax]

dx on or off

cuz its on off

[supple bane]

then turn it on

[random flax]

ok i did m now restarting the game

[supple bane]

and ?

what are the results ?

[random flax]

how do i show fps

in the game

[supple bane]

how did you know what the fps was in the first place then ?

[random flax]

Fraps

[supple bane]

" i have gtx 1070 i know ultra is 70-50 but i m on high and its 50-60 and have so many fps drop to 40-20 "

[random flax]

but its dont work for some reason

can i show fps in the game

[supple bane]

m8 if you knew how to see the fps then, you know now

[random flax]

but its show with frpas and fraps dosent show fps right now and idk why

[supple bane]

go to origin

settings

fps counter

[random flax]

stuck on 60 but when expolde its drop for 1 sec

i wish i could have more fps

[supple bane]

turn vsync off and turn your fps cap to 200

[random flax]

fps cap is in advence> or basic

[supple bane]

i dont know

use your eyes i guess

[random flax]

vysync always off uz i have gtx 1070

XD

ui upsacling mybe

i dont hvae fps cap

[prime jasper]

try ffr to get more fps

[random flax]

ffr?

[supple bane]

future frame rendering

[random flax]

ohh

its alays on

mybe - Gametime.MaxVariableFps ### on advenec to set it on maximum fps limit?

[prime jasper]

try turning it off and see what happens

[steep gust]

bad ssd

[storm osprey]

define bad

[steep gust]

QLC

is bad

[storm osprey]

how?

[prime jasper]

not everyone needs mlc/slc lol

[steep gust]

It performs worse to similarly priced drives

It handles sustained loads terribly

[prime jasper]

whats a better performing NVME for about 100$/1TB?

[steep gust]

It has shit latency

[storm osprey]

even if it is the worst performing for its price (cant imagine theres much at this price point) its still good enough for a vast majority of people

[latent light]

low-end Intel SSDs are garbage anyway

[storm osprey]

and "worse" by how much?

[steep gust]

Its about the level of a SATA 3 drive in sustained loads IIRC

and its about 1/3 - 1/2 the speed of a proper NVMe drive

The HP EX920 is a great performing NVMe drive and its like $15 more

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffzVc7ZB-o&

the 660p is garbage

I would rather use a HDD

[storm osprey]

cant find anything on load times, but i would bet they arent very far off from eachother, if at all

[prime jasper]

https://www.newegg.com/hp-ex920-1tb/p/N82E16820326778

[prime jasper]

not bad

[steep gust]

Latency is garbage

[storm osprey]

considering ive found samsung 960 or 970 evos barely load faster than a mx500

[steep gust]

yet its performing worse than SATA 3 drives

[latent light]

I like the new WD Black SN750

[steep gust]

I'm also known people with 660p that die quickly

[latent light]

what if you buy optane memory to increase your HDD speeds

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Optane-Memory-Module-MEMPEK1W016GAXT/dp/B06XSMTN31

like one of these

[steep gust]

If you already have an existing HDD for games

and on intel

go ahead, works fine

[latent light]

does that thing work as a cache?

[steep gust]

Optane?

ye

[latent light]

yeah how does it do that

[steep gust]

You put it in your system

and then you do the software side to enable it and select what drive you want to cache

Then launch whatever game a few times, repeat, and it should load faster

[storm osprey]

doesnt care about consumer reviews on failed drives, but cares about a smaller sample pool

[steep gust]

Because I definitely want to review a dozen reviews of "it works" or "it died" with no more to it

[storm osprey]

read... "consumer reviews on failed drives", if you want more information you obviously go elsewhere, if you want to see at least an indication of fail rate consumer reviews are your best bet, and if it fails, it fails, tf more do you need to know?

[steep gust]

The fuck you were doing to it

If you use it as a NAS drive, no duh it failed

[storm osprey]

you think people that will just say "it died" dont have the know how to say how they were running it?

also, at 140 bucks with ram, the 660p is probably priced around 80 bucks in that combo, 40 bucks cheaper than the hp ssd you linked, or 2/3 the price

[random flax]

60-62 and drops on high gtx 1070

what to do

[latent light]

CPU? RAM?

[random flax]

32 ram cpu intel i7 6850K

😦

[storm osprey]

watched the video, so the 660p sucks at large file transfers, for something like gaming, performs just the same as any other ssd

[random flax]

what video

?

[storm osprey]

linked above by grim, video posted by ltt

[steep gust]

Then why not buy a SATA SSD for way less

[random flax]

@storm osprey i m kinda new here so

idk

[storm osprey]

looking at pcpartpicker theres only a few off brand ssds that are around 80 bucks for 1tb

[prime jasper]

@random flax what resolution are you even playing at?

[random flax]

1280 768

qhy?

[prime jasper]

wow thats low

are you sure about that?

[storm osprey]

resolution changes what you are stressing hardware wise

[random flax]

how do i cehck whice 1 i need

?

[prime jasper]

uh...whats your monitors native resolution lol

[storm osprey]

general rule of thumb is the higher the resolution the more gpu dependent, the lower the resolution the more cpu dependent

[random flax]

recomanded is 1280 720

but i use 1280768

[prime jasper]

wtf monitor are you playing on?

[random flax]

aquos sharp

i gonna change it very soon

[prime jasper]

a TV set?

[random flax]

yeah

[prime jasper]

yeah thats not gonna be good

[random flax]

i m gonna bue a new monitor soon

...

[prime jasper]

720p is extremely cpu bound anyway

[raw locust]

how can i up my frames in bfv cuz im stuck at 60 and in actual combat areas it goes down to like 50-40

i got my settings in medium

[steep gust]

disable vsync

[raw locust]

already disabled

never had it on xd

[storm osprey]

are you averaging 60 fps or does it never go above 60 fps?

[raw locust]

its mainly on 60

in heavily densed areas or combat areas

or when theres alot of stuff on screen

it goes down

like the C flag on panzerstorm

with all the bushes and stuff

[timber storm]

the fps drop is happening since yesterday :/

[supple bane]

its most likely just bf

[storm osprey]

its sad to say any performance problems can 90% be solved by saying "its bfv"

[raw locust]

but my PC has a I5-8400 GTX 1050 4GB i think and 16 gb ram

sorry

GTX 1050 TI

[odd goblet]

Hoping doing a fresh start on Windows 10 allows the internet to fucking work now.

[raw locust]

yeet

[storm osprey]

1050ti is pretty weak, but i have a friend who has that and PLAYED bfv on low settings with at least 60 fps

[raw locust]

yea

[storm osprey]

but that was months ago

[raw locust]

on high/medium i got 60

[storm osprey]

back when performance was easily better

[steep gust]

Play on low

[raw locust]

bruh

[steep gust]

It's better for seeing people anyways

[raw locust]

really?

how

[steep gust]

Less visual clutter

[raw locust]

oh

do i just put my settings to low

or is there sumtin custom

[steep gust]

Pretty much

[raw locust]

that needs changing in there

[steep gust]

Set them all to low

It doesnt look that bad

And higher fps is better in shooters

[raw locust]

theres a min latency

and max fidelity

setting

[steep gust]

If you use a preset you have to disable vsync, etc again

[storm osprey]

turn everything low/off

the only thing i have above low/off is textures, which i put on ultra

[raw locust]

lemme test the frame rate in the firing range

[storm osprey]

i know its not ideal comp settings, but i like nicer textures

[raw locust]

fuck sake i wish there was a benchmark thing in game

k im getting around 80-90 fps now

idk how it is in an actual server

but ill see later

[timber storm]

I am always with 80 fps low 1050ti gpu

But since yesterday its dropping to 40-50 then goes back to 75

[amber swallow]

hey ramsay. get islc and unpark cpus

i have a 1050ti its what i did

[golden roost]

lol performance on this game could get worse ?

with 1050ti you wont even reach 60fps while staring at the floor, all the forced options made sure of that.

[raw locust]

@amber swallow is islc downloadalbe?

able*

and how do i unpark my CPU

[amber swallow]

yeah

ok

one mo

[raw locust]

emo?

oh

[amber swallow]

check dms

[supple bane]

that is only a thing if you are on a laptop btw

[raw locust]

im not on laptop

[supple bane]

well you can unpark a cpu then

[amber swallow]

what is a thing on laptops?

[supple bane]

unparking

[amber swallow]

You can unpark on a pc

i dont understand

[supple bane]

its useless tho

[amber swallow]

it helped me

idk

[supple bane]

do you know what unparking is ?

[amber swallow]

yes

[supple bane]

yes, it occurs when the laptop goes into power saving mode, and can also be manually activated to save power

a desktop wont disable cores for a powersaving mode

because said mode doesnt exist

[amber swallow]

its about energy efficiency

[supple bane]

yes but a cpu has all cores open by defult

so unless he has changed something

he wont need to unpark it

[twin ravine]

Question

I play on Xbox 1 and have bf 3

And my friend plays on 360

But I can't inv him to games or matches

[steep gust]

no crossplay like that

[twin ravine]

K another question

The give away

What is it

[storm osprey]

#giveaways is where mostly mods give away stuff, just react with 🎉

right now the giveaway is an emblem for bfv

[supple bane]

i just got a free trial for dolby access

i honestly cant tell the difference

i dont know how this is like 14 pound a month or what ever

seems useless

[storm osprey]

tf is dolby access?

[supple bane]

idk, its on the microsoft store

i saw an advert for it and i was interested to see if it made a difference

i might just be deaf tho haha

you try it and see what you think if you have some spare time, i would be interested to see if you can hear a difference

maybe it makes more difference on a higher end pair of headphones

[storm osprey]

assuming there is a difference youd need you audio line to be able to tell the difference

from dac, possible amp, and headphones to the source of audio

shit even windows settings if your audio player doesnt bypass it

[supple bane]

the only difference i have heard is when someone is speaking and there is no background music, it kinda sounds like you are in a room.

i dont mean an echo..

its weird hahah

[storm osprey]

just sounds like a more natural area of space instead of two speakers by your ears

[supple bane]

exactly

wait no

i disabled it

and it sounds the exact same

haha

[storm osprey]

audio is hard to tell even with good gear

you really gotta train yourself to hear a difference

[supple bane]

ye i think it was just placebo

i cant hear any difference at all

[storm osprey]

imo, you have to do a true A/B test with someone changing it on you so you dont know which is which

this is why i call bs on most audiophiles

[supple bane]

and like, what does the hz do ?

because like i have it on max rn and it sounds different, but there must be a negative to doing that right?

[storm osprey]

its supposed to be the frequency range and quality iirc, the problem is that a lot of audio is recorded/compressed at various levels

[supple bane]

so is it best to have it on the max?

[storm osprey]

so even if your pc IS outputting a full range of audio, the source (like youtube) wont give you that range

[supple bane]

makes sense

maybe thats why i couldnt hear a difference with that dolby shite ?

[storm osprey]

uhh, this was a real gray zone in the research i did

[random flax]

playing battelfeild on 60-50 and it drops alot

i need helpp

[supple bane]

!support

oh right

[random flax]

!support

[storm osprey]

!support

[supple bane]

nyphon

[random flax]

XD help

[storm osprey]

not even working lol

!support

[supple bane]

i wish normal peeps could do things like support and what not

and !specs

[storm osprey]

certain things would be nice, they just worry about spam

[supple bane]

i guess

😫

[storm osprey]

so i have the most recommended budget/low/midfi set up with a schiit stack and hd 6xx headphones

[supple bane]

hd 6xx?\

[storm osprey]

and thats the quality setting i found most people said to use

[supple bane]

they are sennheiser right ?

[storm osprey]

sennheiser hd 6xx

massdrop version of the hd 650

just a different color

these are probably the most recommended pair of audiophile headphones

[supple bane]

wayyyy too expensive for me hahah

i would rather spend that money on a gpu than have good audio

[storm osprey]

thankfully i can have both

[supple bane]

anyway, i think i like those razer bitches with insane base

[storm osprey]

bleh

[supple bane]

i tried them out not too long ago and i kinda liked them

[storm osprey]

for gaming i dont like strong bass

muddles other sound queues

like footsteps

[supple bane]

you can disable it im pretty sure

i swear there was something super simple on the headphones you could do to temporarily disable it

[storm osprey]

you can EQ any headphone, that just opens another can of worms though

[steep gust]

extreme bass is garbage

[storm osprey]

imo if you want a gaming/general pair of headphones get the dt 770s iirc

i have headphones for gaming (ad 700x) and headphones for music (hd 6xx)

!support

@analog zenith english only

[supple bane]

and no adverts

[storm osprey]

and twitch links go #streams-and-videos

[supple bane]

anyway

was i was half way through typing...

for music i have a sound bar and a dedicated sub-woofer

usually

they are hidden in my desk

[storm osprey]

that sounds cool, i listen to music at work so need headphones

[supple bane]

but they are a pain to setup and turn on so most the time i dont bother

the sound bar is super cheap. and i did that on purpose as it does still sound nice, but it has no base at all

and thats where the subwoofer comes in

[storm osprey]

yea for speakers i got a simple stereo and sub set up

[supple bane]

what about mic ? what do you use ?

[storm osprey]

modmic 4

i only use disc, so as long as my mic isnt shit i could care less how good it sounds

if i was to stream or podcast or something like that then i would worry about a better mic set up

[supple bane]

i use something called the fifine k669

and it is one of the best purchases i have ever made

[storm osprey]

i forget which fifine i recommend, i think its that one

[supple bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5_qOmJNTpQ&t=116s

[storm osprey]

669b is the one i know of

errr

[supple bane]

im not paying another 4 pound for a black paint job

[storm osprey]

maybe it is the k669

[supple bane]

and i use a cheapo mic arm

[storm osprey]

whatever gets the job done

[supple bane]

and a pop filter which i forgot the brand of

[storm osprey]

i like the attached part of the modmic

easy to use

[supple bane]

fair

there is one thing i dont like about the k669

its cable is relatively short

it said it came with a 6 foot cable

but i am sceptical about that

[storm osprey]

easy to extend that at least

[supple bane]

i have found a perfect position where the cable is just long enough and its hidden, but thats at the cost of the mic being at an awkward place when i am using it

instead the mic being infront of my mouth, its like on the left side of my face

[storm osprey]

yea that would bother me lol

[supple bane]

I mean it still works and sounds just as good so I’m fine with it

I also am not breathing into it which is a plus

[storm osprey]

now i want a nicer mic

since i might start streaming when i upgrade

[supple bane]

hehehe Linus has put rgb into one of his servers

it was bound to happen

[latent light]

two 8-pins and a blower

[prime jasper]

is there no 5800 or something?

[latent light]

not as of right now

the 5700 XT is supposedly the best mid-range card

and there will be high end cards next year

BFV really loves AMD cards

the 22% increased performance over the 2070 in BFV is likely

[prime jasper]

I wonder if thats about on par with a 2080 then

[latent light]

a little bit behind

2080 is like 30% better than 2070

[random flax]

playing battelfeild on 60-50 and it drops alot

help some?

[storm osprey]

!support

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[latent light]

@random flax computer specs

[random flax]

gtx 1070
32 ram
intel i7 6850K

...

[latent light]

what configuration is your ram

[random flax]

how do i check

?

[latent light]

like what slots do you have the ram plugged into

you have a Broadwell-E motherboard so there should be 2 sticks on each side and they have to be in the specific slots

[random flax]

IDK

....

[steep gust]

6850k is broadwell-e not haswell smh

[latent light]

lol

Intel naming is hard

[steep gust]

Its X99 so its a joke anyways

[warm junco]

Why blower cooler, AMD

Why

Price?

[steep gust]

shit IMC

again its a leak

and AIB cards will exist

[random flax]

so

what do i do

[latent light]

@random flax

that's where the ram sticks should be placed

[random flax]

yeah

i know

[steep gust]

tbh I'm about to start pointing people to CPU-Z to figure out their memory config

[latent light]

the only way your build could only get 50-60 fps tops is having the ram in the wrong slots

or your CPU is running at 2 GHz

[random flax]

3.60

[steep gust]

or he is at 4k?

[random flax]

nope

[latent light]

maybe

[random flax]

but tv screen

[steep gust]

I mean he hasn't mentioned monitor, settings, or a bunch of other shit

[latent light]

1080p TV?

[random flax]

yes

[steep gust]

[random flax]

.

[latent light]

oof

[steep gust]

!jumbo

[latent light]

what cooler are you using on the i7-6850K?

[random flax]

i dont remmeber

its a water coller

[latent light]

@supple bane was only getting 60 fps yesterday then he showed me that he had the RAM in the wrong slots on his Ryzen build and I told him to use the 2nd and 4th slot and his fps shot up to 130

[steep gust]

download cpu-z

click memory tab

[latent light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587339706967261194/587344430269464586/image0.jpg

before

[steep gust]

Should say quad channel

[latent light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587339706967261194/587349593369346048/image0.jpg

after

[steep gust]

Difference between dual and quad in gaming is small, but its not a great CPU

[latent light]

yeah CPU-Z will work

[random flax]

should i enabled DXR

DXR?

[latent light]

hell no

unless you like 5 fps

[marsh crest]

U think a rx580 8gb paired with a r5 2600 and 8gb 3000mhz ram will run bfv well?

[latent light]

DXR is ray tracing

[random flax]

it will give me more fps ?

?

[steep gust]

Why not wait until Zen 2?

Also you need 16GB to game nowadays

[latent light]

I've got a Ryzen 5 1600 and RX 580, runs at 80 fps on everything ultra @marsh crest

[random flax]

i have 32 @steep gust

32 ram

[latent light]

over 140 fps with everything low

[random flax]

@steep gust 50 gb

[marsh crest]

@latent light ah oo thx

[random flax]

left

[marsh crest]

I have 8gb ram tho

[steep gust]

low master race

[latent light]

8GB single or dual channel

[random flax]

@latent light so should i enbaled it to get more fps or not?

[marsh crest]

Dual

[random flax]

is it gonna effect the gameplay?

[latent light]

ok good

[random flax]

@marsh crest 32 ram

LOL

[latent light]

DXR is for RTX cards, not GTX

[random flax]

ok

ok

[marsh crest]

Have DXR disabeld unless u have 2070 or 2080

Bruh ETA 12hr for bfv downlaod lul

[steep gust]

have DXR disabled always

not worth the performance hit

[marsh crest]

Ppl are saying bfv is rly buggy

[latent light]

@random flax I hope your ram is running in dual channel at least

[marsh crest]

He probaly didnt enable xmp lul

Did u?

Or u dont need to

What speed is it

[steep gust]

X99 has a really bad IMC

So depending on his XMP settings, its not gonna work without tweaking it

[latent light]

1st gen Ryzen pretty much murdered Broadwell-E

[mortal nacelle]

found @winged tapir new pc https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jc2XKB wich @silk echo is said to buy what do you guys think. money is no issus

[latent light]

SLI RTX 2080TI

[steep gust]

wait until Zen 2?

Maximus XI Formula is not worth the cost

[mortal nacelle]

the money is no issus

you not getting it

[steep gust]

64GB of DDR4 is a waste for a gaming setup

Its not a GOOD board

[mortal nacelle]

Who cares

its kartovs money

[steep gust]

get a better SSD

[mortal nacelle]

we are spending

[steep gust]

Money is not an issue?

custom loop

2080ti KINGPINS

3175X

[latent light]

$420 on a motherboard, only $80 on a SSD

[steep gust]

smh

and not a good board

not even rgb ram

[mortal nacelle]

build one there is more then 4k thanks then

and not amd

[latent light]

inb4 Zen 2 beats 9900K by 5% in single core

[mortal nacelle]

as i said

only intel

And no talk about power

[latent light]

why only intel though

[mortal nacelle]

cost more

[steep gust]

because fanboyism

[mortal nacelle]

you just such a big baby 😉

[steep gust]

Cost =/= better

[mortal nacelle]

No one talking about better

we are talking about spending kartov money

[latent light]

smart shoppers do things differently than someone defiantly refusing to look beyond a weirdly obstinate purview

[steep gust]

Imagine wanting to waste someone's money

just for the shits and giggles of wasting someone's money

[latent light]

this is why we need COMMUNISM

tbh worst thing about that build is the ADATA SSD

and that NZXT case

[steep gust]

For $4000

You can do a custom loop

[latent light]

and make it look really nice

even better than JayzTwoCents builds

[steep gust]

or you can literally wait a month and Intel will most likely drop prices of the 9900k

Why buy a Formula board to not do a custom loop

tbh at this point I don't even care what people waste their money on

You want to waste money not being an informed buyer? Go ahead, you want to waste someone else's money by selling them inferior products? That is on you.

[latent light]

at $4000 you shouldn't even have an HDD unless you need mass storage

like a 6TB HDD

or more

[mortal nacelle]

https://videocardz.com/81012/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-and-radeon-rx-5700-final-specs

[latent light]

AMD E3 keynote in a few minutes

[storm osprey]

release the gpus!!

[mortal nacelle]

http://twitch.tv/AMD

[latent light]

16 core maybe

[storm osprey]

define "few minutes'

[latent light]

19 minutes

[storm osprey]

definitely not a few minutes...

[latent light]

few means more than one

[storm osprey]

ive always considered a few 3-6

one 1, couple 2, few 3-6, several 6-9

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxPBXNuX6Xs

here it goes

[storm osprey]

only took a few minutes...

[latent light]

[waxen stag]

"breakthrough games" shows Division 2

[storm osprey]

here it is

my body is ready

3900x matches 9900k for those titles ehhh

[latent light]

damn

that's obvious though

[storm osprey]

that streaming sample

[latent light]

12 cores vs 8 cores

[latent light]

that game comparison is pretty honest though

[storm osprey]

imagine talking about 360 no scoping people in csgo...

[latent light]

[storm osprey]

july 7th

day after my gfs bday

guess whose not getting a gift

[latent light]

that blower fan

so that leak was correct about the RX 5700 XT

ah it's a blower fan and a vapor chamber heatsink

[storm osprey]

5700xt vs 2070

[molten coral]

[latent light]

RX 5700 is juicy

[storm osprey]

5700 vs 2060

dont think ive heard pricing

[arctic veldt]

Any suggestion for PC key bindings?

I want will use lean moves

I want key bindings with multi keys, like SHIFT+A, SHIFT+D

[storm osprey]

5700xt 450 bucks

[latent light]

5700 XT is $449

[storm osprey]

5700 379

[latent light]

and faster than 2070

[molten coral]

Wow that is a great deal

[storm osprey]

what is 2070 normally? 550?

[molten coral]

Somwhere around that yeah

Atleast in the Netherlands

[storm osprey]

in na its 500ish

amd killed it with cpu, and did good for gpu

[latent light]

RX 5700 XT 8GB- $449 - 10% faster than RTX 2070
RX 5700 8GB - $379 - 15% faster than RTX 2060

[storm osprey]

2070 roughly 500 bucks atm, 2060 around 350

[latent light]

suprise coming

16 CORE CPU

3950X

@mortal nacelle

4.7 GHz

$749

September

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-CEf56QMoE

[prime jasper]

intel is pretty butt blasted right about meow

[lofty light]

Holy shit, 4.7 16 core

Well unless there's something seriously wrong I know what I'm getting to replace my old 5820K

Those true 14 phase gigabyte boards are also calling my name

[storm osprey]

Yea my 4790 is looking on it's way out

[lofty light]

Darn good chip but yeah, looking at a fair few years old now

[lofty light]

Damn those new chips have me getting all moist

[latent light]

these 1st gen Navi cards aren't 100% 7nm

there is still 14nm stuff

and still some GCN in the architecture, next year we will probably see complete 7nm and RDNA

[lofty light]

Navi isn't too interesting for me tbh, I've got a 2080ti so I won't be upgrading that for yonks

[latent light]

you have a 5820K and a 2080Ti?

that's a bottleneck

[lofty light]

Yup

Hence why the upgrade, just haven't been keen to go to a 9 series of Intel because of the prices

[red trellis]

Hi I have a problem 5 days ago I bought a gigabyte 500 bb plus 80 and a ssd kingston of 240gb to combine it with ryzen 1600 and zotac 1060 amp edition and the mother asrock ab350m when I play bfv I can be playing 2 hrs and when i exit of the round of the game the pc rebooted and did not boot correctly and turned off again and got stuck on the windows start screen turned off and on again and start is the 2nd time he does it
Data to take into account:
The 1060 has coil whine but never gave me problems with the generic power suppy that I had
The ssd is without dock bay with air but half hanging or maybe a redist can be the problem , sorry my english

[lofty light]

If the SSD is connected correctly it hanging shouldn't be an issue as especially 240gb ones are very light, although the fact it's starting makes it sound like a windows issue. Do you have a windows bootable USB or a cd handy?

Also if you boot into bios is it showing the SSD?

[red trellis]

ManicDerrikk, yes it appears in the boot bios, i reinstalled al VC redist, play 1 round and not reboot also i disabled superfetch

[cyan vortex]

Why do you blame the Devs? @Mroha#6827

You realize they have a system where they are given specific goals & expectations that they HAVE to go through with, whether they agree with it or not?

Its like a police officer, he can't just do or not do something if he agrees or disagrees with it, hes expected to carry it out either way, so blame the people up top, not the Devs

[lofty light]

He left so 🤷

[latent light]

RIS and FidelityFX looks better than DLSS

Radeon made image sharpening possible without losing performance

[forest token]

radeon 5700 xt beats an rtx 2070 in battlefield v at 1440p by 22%, 5700 beats rtx 2600 by 21% vs according to amd, 5700 xt sounds good to me 💸 💸 💸

[forest token]

206 241 163 114 266 391 205 248 fps <-- ryzen 3800x 206 236 163 114 259 360 188 245 fps <-- ryzen 3600x

according to amd's slides going from a $250 processor to a $400 processor doesn't help framerates much

[forest token]

But I need to know more about gpu encoding improvements for amd gpus because I prefer gpu encoding to save cpu performance

🤔

[steep gust]

Don't use benchmarks from AMD

wait for independent reviews

[tall wharf]

^ That. Actually, that for every company. 😛

[sharp pivot]

I just wait to see the benchmarks on userbench.com

since like all the benchmark data is from people who run the benchmark on their pc's

[steep gust]

userbenchmark is garbage

[sharp pivot]

give a pretty realistic result give or take 5%~

[steep gust]

give or take the whole benchmark

[sharp pivot]

oh?

[supple bane]

its not that bad

[sharp pivot]

what do you mean it's garbage?

It's pretty damn reliable

[steep gust]

It doesn't control for anything

I can clock my CPU at 800mhz

Treats it the same

[supple bane]

yes and thats why theres a worst and best bench

and an average

[steep gust]

I can overclock my CPU to 7ghz under LN2 and it treats it the same

[sharp pivot]

It will give you a worse benchmark score if its slower lmao

and better if its faster

[tall wharf]

Not to be super off-topic, but what you see from Cloud Imperium games for Star Citizen is an amazing way to actually see what frames hardware produces on average, when the rubber meets the road: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/telemetry

Just record user framerates and put them in a matrix. Questions answered cleanly on "how does this work for this game?" Shocked more companies don't do it. 🤷

[sharp pivot]

What do you mean. ' Treats it the same '?

[steep gust]

like for the average "benchmark"

it treats them the same

It doesn't remove outliners

[sharp pivot]

the average is the average of everyones tests

[steep gust]

yeah so if I clock at 800mhz on one core

It drags the average way down

[sharp pivot]

bet

[steep gust]

and if I heavily overclock my system

It drags the average up

[sharp pivot]

a few outliers out of 1000+ data points bearly shifts the average

You've taken a statistics class before right?

[steep gust]

Memory is huge one

Almost no one enables XMP

yet by spec Zen 2 will support the 3200 JEDEC

and should use 3200 JEDEC or faster RAM for proper performance

not 2133 jedec

[sharp pivot]

You know that each test is barely affected by ram types?

unless you are running the test on some old pc133 system

lol

Faster clocked ram has worse timings

[steep gust]

Uh

[sharp pivot]

Lower latency is better if you don't need the extra bandwidth provided by a higher frequency

but thats not relevant to the tests since it has individual tests for all of the components on a system

[steep gust]

do you understand how infinity fabric scales off of memory, how RAM timings and frequency work, and overall how RAM actually impacts performance?

I can also run my userbenchmark run at 4200 12-11-11-28 if I have a properly binned kit and one of three motherboards on Intel

RAM timings is how many clocks it takes to do whatever the timing does

So if CL20, it takes 20 clocks to do that command

So higher frequency higher timings is still better

and if the CPU natively supports a higher frequency, that is the intended RAM configuration

[sharp pivot]

I'm not a expert overclocker but I have a solid understanding of computing because that's what I'm going to school for. I'm not up to date with a technology that was announced 2 years ago though, since I've never had to interact with amd products really. I just know that it allows for a mesh based communication system that scales nicely.

but anyway

Userbench is a reliable tool

Just because it doesn't cater to your outlier data that you submit while overclocking doesn't invalidate it as a useful tool.

[steep gust]

It does cater to outliner data, which is the issue

[sharp pivot]

Outliers only affect small sample sizes

[steep gust]

To compare two CPUs you want to control every possible variable you can

Since you are comparing the CPUs, not rest of their system

[sharp pivot]

If you have a large sample size, outliers have a diminishing return on the average of the sample set

For a small sample set, that's a valid argument.

[steep gust]

Which for the 3950x

it will be

[sharp pivot]

Userbench has 1000's of benchmarks for almost every system/part

[steep gust]

You also have the people never touching their BIOS

and buying the cheapest possible ram

[sharp pivot]

and?

[steep gust]

and installing their RAM wrong

[sharp pivot]

You can't really install ram incorrectly. There are only sub-optimal configurations

[steep gust]

Yes you can

[sharp pivot]

After the cpu's actually out for a month there will be plenty of benchmarks

[steep gust]

single channel on a dual channel CPU fucks your performance

[sharp pivot]

so just give it a hot minute

That's sub-optimal

the ram still functions

[steep gust]

The 16 core is already going to have memory bandwidth issues, don't make it worst

[sharp pivot]

I'm not here to debate cpu specifics, I'm just defending the utility of userbenchmark

[steep gust]

which is to give people who don't care to understand how each part of a system impacts performance a shitty basic overlook because "muh averages" and would rather click the first google link instead of finding proper reviews using proper benchmarks that use modern workloads

[sharp pivot]

You don't understand how averages work do you?

With an increasing sample size, outliers have a diminishing effect on averages.

[storm osprey]

predator basically doesnt approve anything other than personally testing it yourself

[sharp pivot]

Clearly

Either it has to be clocked to 5+GHZ on LN2 or its a bad benchmark for him

[storm osprey]

ive yet to see a software/program/anything that he approves of

[tall wharf]

If you're looking for a completely optimal test with things like a delidded CPU and an overclock, I guess all you'd actually care about is the outliers that statistics properly smooth out 🤷

(And at that point, it's all just the silicon.)

[red trellis]

the led incicator of my box is off when my pc is on xD

indicator*

[tall wharf]

On a related note to delidding, I'm on a 7700k that I have idling at 25-30C (two cores are around 30, the other two are cooler). Anyone here have experience with the delidding temp gains on Intel CPUs that are already idling relatively cool?

[sharp pivot]

I delided my pentium III :p

it runs at 1.7Ghz

dual cpu systems are fun

[steep gust]

Cinebench R20

Control for memory

Good direct comparison

Gaming that you control for memory and GPU

Include 1% and 0.1% averages for a good benchmark

Encoding tests, control for memory (see the common theme?)

[tall wharf]

Oh god, that has to be a blast @sharp pivot

[steep gust]

Does userbenchmark even use AVX? Probably not

[sour otter]

ok so i have a problem i just get 60fps in battlefield on Ultra/high/medium etc with a i7-4790k and a rtx 2070 with 16gb of ram. idk what my problem is but i should get way more

even if im on low setting im still on 60fps

[steep gust]

disable vsync

[sharp pivot]

Sounds like you have either v-sync on or frame cap

[sour otter]

turning off Vsync just gave me 5fps

my drivers on the i7 is from 2006 tho

but its the newest ones

[steep gust]

CPU doesn't have a driver in that sense

[sour otter]

idk what those drivers was then xd

[storm osprey]

what resolution are you at?

[sour otter]

1920x1080

[storm osprey]

and with ultra settings you are getting 65 fps?

[sour otter]

yes

[storm osprey]

with an i7 4790k and 2070

[sour otter]

even on low i get 60

yes

i should get around 100

[storm osprey]

so 65 at ultra, 60 on low

[sour otter]

ye

[storm osprey]

you tested low since youve turned off vsync?

[sour otter]

yep

[storm osprey]

did you toggle between dx 11 and dx 12

and future frame render (i turn it off because of input lag, but others say it gives them more fps)

[sour otter]

i could try that

[tall wharf]

...also, can you open your task manager, and tell us what your CPU is at, %-wise?

[steep gust]

I almost want to change the description to "Not tech support"

[tall wharf]

If you're pegged at 100% CPU, that'll be your answer on what the limiter is.

[sour otter]

my cpu is at 90%to 100

when im tabbed out 50

[sharp pivot]

I run a i3-8100 and can run the game ultra :/

[steep gust]

Anyone can run the game on ultra

[sharp pivot]

and get a nice 60fps

[sour otter]

well ill try to dig some more on google

[storm osprey]

dx 11/12 and future frame didnt help?

[sour otter]

future helped a litte bit

10 more

[sharp pivot]

can you guys think of anything fun/useful to do with a older dual pentium III system?

[forest token]

play some old games it like doom, quake diablo, starcraft, wolfenstein, etc

turn it in to a retro gaming computer

[sharp pivot]

I'd using for some older gaming, but It has a server motherboard that doesn't support a decent gpu. Just PCI slots

tbh I still play all of those lol

[forest token]

zandronum doom?

[sharp pivot]

you know it

[forest token]

[sharp pivot]

[oak gate]

random tip I can provide guys (you can test it yourself maybe it works or doesn't for you)

Riva stats server that comes with MSI after burner is a huge resource hog. Well it may not be "Huge" but still I installed it to monitor a few metrics in-game and performance dropped a lot

I would suggest to remove it and install only afterburner and keep it running in the back ground.

This is very random but I was so surprised by it that I felt I had to share it

[latent light]

Ryzen 5 3400G is actually looking good

$20 cheaper than the launch MSRP of the 2400G

[storm osprey]

when you can get 4c8t for 150 bucks

[latent light]

and a iGPU that can run better than the Xbox One

[steep gust]

or get a 2c 4t from intel

[prime jasper]

[latent light]

50% more cache, 300 MHz higher boost, 150 MHz higher clock for the iGPU, same TDP

the Ryzen 5 2400G gets equal performance to a locked i7-4770

so maybe the 3400G will be equal to a locked i7-7700

[steep gust]

Once you account for security migations

and that you have to disable hyperthreading on intel

[latent light]

I wish their APUs weren't a generation behind

I'd like to see a 7nm 3400G

do you think the jump between Zen+ and Zen2 is like going from Haswell to Coffee Lake

the R5 3600 is already like 25% faster than the R5 2600

or about 15% faster if they're both at the same clock speed

[storm osprey]

man what a week for news

[prime jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/core-i7-fire-intel-gif-9945213

[supple bane]

https://tenor.com/view/ryzen-throwing-intel-raja-koduri-gif-10306548

[prime jasper]

lmao Raja looking swole

[latent light]

so Microsoft only wants to optimize for AMD whenever it's popular smh

[steep gust]

smh its not that Microsoft just fucks the CCX selection normally

[latent light]

😤

I found out today why Adobe Premiere doesn't work well with Ryzen when compared to Intel, because Premiere uses the built-in iGPU on Intel CPUs

[steep gust]

eh quicksync isn't that great

[prime jasper]

looks like I have some updating to do lol

[storm osprey]

my 4790 shall move to my 2nd pc

[prime jasper]

but...with 8 cores its already like 2 computers bruh

[storm osprey]

just 1 more month

[prime jasper]

whatcha getting?

[storm osprey]

proooobably 3700

[prime jasper]

prepare for the 21st century fam

[storm osprey]

doubling my core count

sounds nice

[latent light]

Ryzen 7nm layout and routing

you can see that it's the 16-core

the cores

the I/O

and those silver lines between the cores and I/O is the infinity fabric

[prime jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-gif-5794180

[latent light]

and the silver lines that go to the right of the cores is the infinity fabric for the RAM I think

[molten bramble]

@latent light True, it uses quicksync... however, there is an unofficial/unsupported plugin that does this: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2241692 You'd have to search for the plugin (because Adobe mods don't like sharing download links), but it is out there in the wild until Adobe updates with official support.

[latent light]

[molten bramble]

The quality of the video may suffer, but the encode times are insane comparatively speaking.

There was a comparison video on YouTube somewhere showing the difference states of the final product video. I don't have the link anymore.

@latent light https://www.voukoder.org <-- has multiple encoders and uses GPUs.

[latent light]

QuickSync is a GPU feature, not a CPU one. Intel CPUs just happen to come with integrated GPUs. Both AMD and Nvidia have their own hardware encoding blocks on GPUs.

[molten bramble]

I pulled it down awhile back, but I've never used it.

[latent light]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bzg2tb/the_scheduler_fix_in_the_windows_1903_update/

Ryzen CPUs got a nice performance jump from Windows 10 version 1903

[molten bramble]

QuickSync is the GPU feature that utilizes iGPU on Intel processors in their current implementation--or, one can encode via CPU alone. The difference is relatively imperceptible other than the encoding haste.

[latent light]

sucks that I'm on 1803 and have no option to update to a newer version

[molten bramble]

You can't update? Why's that?

[prime jasper]

yeah @latent light that doesnt make much sense

[full linden]

spanish link but should work anyway for updating to 1903 https://www.microsoft.com/es-ES/software-download/windows10 @latent light

[latent light]

I'll try it

well when my internet goes back to normal

[lofty light]

Perf boosts to ryzen is great when I'm planning to go with Zen 2

[steep gust]

If Zen 2 has good memory sypport

I'm going to jump ship and keep Intel for benching shit and giggles

[latent light]

Ryzen 7 2700 only $200

😩

gonna wait for that juicy 3600 though, should be roughly 20% faster in single core than the 2700 at the same price

@steep gust did you see how small the dies are for the Navi GPUs? I bet the 5700 XT could be sold at $250 and they'd still be making profit

[steep gust]

die size doesn't really relate to how expensive it is

CPU dies are small af

😩

[latent light]

I thought smaller dies = more chips on the wafer = more savings

[steep gust]

well yeah

but that doesn't mean every chip on the wafer makes the cut

[latent light]

[steep gust]

They would just sell the failures as the lower tier gpu

laser off the dead cores and move it down the product stack

but GDDR6 and the memory controller, etc cost a lot

[latent light]

I wanna see what their 75W card will be

probably no better than the 1650

GDDR6 costs like 60% more than GDDR5

[steep gust]

GDDR5 old af

😩

mass production of gddr5 was 2008

[latent light]

so 8GB of 14 Gbps GDDR6 is almost $94

[lofty light]

They'd be getting it a bit cheaper though

[latent light]

yeah

[steep gust]

not if they use samsung

Samsung will cost you more

😩

[latent light]

It should also be borne in mind that the quoted reference prices are for a purchase quantity of 2,000 units, graphics card manufacturers are likely to buy significantly larger quantities and thus receive the components cheaper.

[steep gust]

Generally you buy trays (well its probably rolls for memory ICs)

[latent light]

3dcenter.org estimates the possible discount on 20 to 40 percent and we would also like to point out once again that the following data are estimates.

[steep gust]

If I buy 10,000 CPUs from Intel I'm still paying the 1,000 CPU cost just 10 times 😩

[latent light]

I can't find data on the cost of production for GDDR6

[steep gust]

Cost of production isn't really the expense generally for electronics

its everything leading up to mass production

[latent light]

RTX refresh could see a RTX 2160 with 8GB vram

rip navi

[steep gust]

[latent light]

[steep gust]

NVidia releasing competitive low(er) end products? never happens

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPpdtXFx7gQ

did you see the anti-lag presentation?

[steep gust]

I didn't watch the presentation

Sounds like a marketing gimmick from the name

[latent light]

there were some cool things, they have a competitor for DLSS

called Radeon Image Sharpening

that has no performance hits

[steep gust]

DLSS is ass so

If I want to make my game blurry there are better ways

[latent light]

resolution scale

[steep gust]

Also "no performance" hits is kinda uh

doubtful

[latent light]

well they showed that it was like 3% performance hit at worst case scenario

[steep gust]

If you are doing any extra math in the background you get performance hits

[latent light]

which is barely a mark

[steep gust]

You would be surprised what people pay for those last few percent

[latent light]

Psycho would pay $3000

[steep gust]

Psycho actually does have some logic behind it and he is buying it also for HWBot

There will always be someone who just wants raw performance

Paying extra when on a budget, less so

[latent light]

there's people out there that pay over $2,000 to build a PC that will last them 5 years and there's people that spend that much every few months for best performance possible