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steep gust
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50% ipc gains

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but you have zen 2+ between Zen 2 and Zen 3

latent light
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then AdoredTV will be like "Ok, this 4th gen will DEFINITY be increased core counts for each family"

steep gust
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Zen 3 will be a new socket

latent light
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the AMD roadmap was Zen, Zen+, Zen 2 and Zen 3

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Zen 3 is EUV

quaint topaz
supple bane
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is there an estimated price for the 3600?

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or leaked price or anything?

steep gust
supple bane
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Thx

steep gust
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Although they will sell out super fast

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and zen+ / zen saw price drops shortly after launch

supple bane
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I’m still more interested in the 3300 tbh

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Just because of how cheap it is

steep gust
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we don't have anything about lower end

supple bane
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I just know that it is the same performance as the 2700x

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at least from the pages I have seen

steep gust
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uh the 3300 might be 6c 6t

supple bane
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Ye 6c 12t

steep gust
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The 3600 will beat the 2700x

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the 3300 won't be 6c 12t, then why would they sell the 3600

latent light
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3300 is going to be 4c

supple bane
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this is what I’m basing things off of

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I don’t know how true all that is

steep gust
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its not true

latent light
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3300 won't have 6 cores

steep gust
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Its got the wrong product name

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and it was before the keynote

latent light
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3300 may not even exist after all

supple bane
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aight

steep gust
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I mean look at the frequencies, cache, and name LULW

latent light
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there's rumors about Intel 10nm having lower frequency than coffee lake

steep gust
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That isn't a new rumor and wouldn't be the first time

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22nm -> 14nm was rough

jade tangle
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does the 3900x really have nearly double the cache than the threadripper 2950?`

steep gust
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that is total cache

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but yes

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it has double the l3 cache

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2950x

L1 1.5MB

L2 8MB

L3 32MB

3900x

L1 

L2 6MB

L3 64MB```
latent light
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22nm to 14nm IPC wasn't huge at first

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was no reason to upgrade from a 4770k/4790k to a 6700k though

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maybe a 2600K

steep gust
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DDR4 on Intel was also pretty bad

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for the first few generations

latent light
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it was good for kaby lake

steep gust
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coffeelake was the first generation to really have a rock solid IMC

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alongside being able to push 5ghz+ on almost every CPU

latent light
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do you think data center is jumping ships to AMD because of the vulnerability patches that impact performance

steep gust
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data centers look at price per watt

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if AMD beats intel they go to AMD

latent light
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also the 1.5x performance per watt for Navi, were they comparing to Polaris?

steep gust
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who knows

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could be kepler

latent light
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you can preorder Ryzen 3000 CPU on July 1st, 1 week before launch

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what's the point

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rather just wait that week and see the benchmarks

steep gust
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You mean

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Be an informed buyer?

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Get out of here

latent light
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only thing accurate about Ryzen 3000 leaks were the ones for the dual chiplet design

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and doubled cache

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core counts and clocks speeds were not met

steep gust
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Double cache was easy Noice

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Double the cores double the cache

latent light
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Ryzen 7 was leaked to have 12 cores

steep gust
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Yeah

latent light
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if that happened anyway, most people would just buy the 8 core Ryzen 5

latent light
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man if that leak was true though, that would be cannibalizing 1st and 2nd gen

steep gust
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Notice how it says CES announced Picard

latent light
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the 2700X in stock now would have to be sold for like $150 to be even relevant

lavish pilot
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So thoughts on 3700X?

steep gust
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Wait for benchmarks

latent light
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3700X is competition to the 9700K

lavish pilot
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Would I be able to get a good MB + 3700X for 500$?

latent light
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but with multithreading

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eh maybe

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3700X is $329

steep gust
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Probably not X570

latent light
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a decent X570 will be $150ish

lavish pilot
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AMD MBs are supposedly cheaper than Intel ones.

steep gust
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I see all X570 boards being $200+

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You don't need a $40+ heatsink for AMD WeSmart

latent light
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there's only been high-end X570 boards being shown tbh

lavish pilot
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Waiting to upgrade from my 6600K and Z170.

latent light
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oof

lavish pilot
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Could probably sell those for 150$ min.

steep gust
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$150 total

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6600k isn't worth much

latent light
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6600K was like $270 when it came out too

lavish pilot
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Yeah.

steep gust
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That was the days of Intel 4c 8t

lavish pilot
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I built my last PC at the end of 2015.

latent light
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definition of monopoly

steep gust
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It's not an monopoly if your competitor can't make a good product

latent light
steep gust
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Innovation is not required by law

lavish pilot
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I wonder if the new AMD GPUs will be any good.

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Probably not.

steep gust
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They won't beat out high end Nvidia

latent light
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yeah just mid-range

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RTX 2070 performance

steep gust
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Which is good

lavish pilot
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I just want a good GPU for smooth 75 FPS at 1080p.

steep gust
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Uh

lavish pilot
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On max settings.

steep gust
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The benchmark they showed heavily favors AMD

latent light
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strange brigade had a huge optimization update for nvidia a few months ago

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GTX 1060 equals RX 580 in it

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RTX 2060 beats Vega 56

steep gust
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AMD shows stuff that looks good

latent light
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Nvidia does too

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RTX

steep gust
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Just like how an overclocked Radeon 7 can beat a (stock) 2080ti in select titles

latent light
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I thought the Radeon VII has bad overclocking

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big problem with Radeon is the poor drivers on launch

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happens everytime

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happened for every generation

steep gust
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It got fixed

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Driver caps it at 1.2v tho

latent light
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Gigabyte Aorus X570 Xtreme has a true 16 phase VRM controller
with an 8 layer server grade PCB

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$600 though haHAA

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you can't overclock Ryzen past boost frequency so idk the reason of spending that much on a motherboard

steep gust
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because we don't know how Zen 2 will clock

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It might scale with voltage

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it might not

vagrant quartz
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im waiting for benchmarks, but from the looks of it getting either a 3600 or 3600x and possibly the 400$ navi or vega 64

supple bane
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im planning on getting the 3600

vagrant quartz
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upgrading from a i5 5600 and gtx 960

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thats gonna be a sweet sweet improvement

supple bane
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i just want to see if it is going to be worth the extra little money from the 2600x

vagrant quartz
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yeah me too

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probably, but who knows

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wait for benchmarks

prime jasper
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Well remember if it does scale with volts. That's great BUT it is 7nm so degrading will very much be a thing.

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Smaller the node, higher chance of degrading.

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But this is a very sloppy 7nm, could get away with 1.3v

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Safe max would prob be 1.28v

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True 7nm max safe would prob move down to 1.25v

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This is on the 12 core btw

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And this wont be pissy with higher heat like zen+

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So you can get away with more with less cooling.

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But be prepared to see tons of people with degraded 3900x very soon from launch.

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So I'd suggest dont buy used on zen 2

latent light
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15 GB/s RAID SSDs

latent light
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I want to see a 3700 for $299

steep gust
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Just like how people used Zen voltages for Zen +

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People will use Zen + for Zen 2

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The voltage might be lower, but current draw will be much higher

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current is what causes issues

latent light
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I wanna see 3900X LN2 overclocking

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think it will do better than threadripper?

steep gust
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depends

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It won't be threadripper under LN2

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Beating stock threadripper when under LN2 isn't that hard

latent light
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Threadripper does LN2 better than Ryzen 7 doesn't it

steep gust
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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People generally use Intel for LN2

lofty light
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Don't you mean shilltel Kappa

prime jasper
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@latent light 3900x will murder threadripper

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Now since there's a chance zen 2 could hit 600 cpuz

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single core

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But this is just for benchmarks

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some

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Since ryzen is dual channel

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any real work load TR will murder ryzen quick

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Because of quad channel

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3900x is going to be quick. Real quick

latent light
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I wanna see the 16 core

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They probably won't show it at E3 but who knows

steep gust
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they won't

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Intel might respond at E3

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Then the 16 core comes after Intel launches their response

lofty light
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Intel's response is the 9900KS

latent light
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Intel's response to Intel

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Intel's response to Nvidia

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Intel's response to what Corey Taylor thinks

lofty light
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OMG!!! Intel Reacts To AMDs New Challenge!!! (NSFW)

steep gust
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I meant 10nm

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The 9900KS is just another gimmick to sell overpriced CPUs

lofty light
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It's basically the 8086K

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Adored has always been cringey imo but that takes the cake

steep gust
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silicon lottery is shit

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Unless you buy the absolute top binned CPU

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You are losing out

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and if I'm paying double for a binned CPU, I'll do it through HWBot

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They also use a large AVX offset to kinda cheat stability

candid rover
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3900x will murder threadrippernot all threadripper

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there's a 32 core 64 thread threadripper 😄

latent light
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AdoredTV videos do say "these are just rumors and I don't really believe them to be true"

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he says that on every video

lofty light
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Eh, he's just so aggressively AMD and clickbaity imo

mortal nacelle
supple bane
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Jesus

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that’s gddr5 clock speeds

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maybe even gddr6

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I don’t know what 6 speeds reach but I’m going to assume something like that

mortal nacelle
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Its fast

steep gust
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GDDR5 is 4x actual clock for effective clock

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So its a lot faster

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4c t8 @4.1ghz

latent light
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Did Intel unveil 10nm desktop yet

steep gust
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no

storm osprey
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so ipc increase was actually better than everyone expected?

steep gust
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We don't know until we get real world performance

supple bane
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I just had a random thought, in a hypothetical situation where you had the skills to make a custom mobo and make your own bios’. Would it be technically possible to use a gpu as a cpu? Because they are the same thing, just both optimised to do different things, Ik it would be totally useless but it was just something that popped to mind to what ever reason

prime jasper
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you would have to make the GPU with all necessary instruction sets like CPUs have

steep gust
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no

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GPUs can't do anything on their own

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and cuda cores are super super basic

latent light
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So there will be a 3rd gen threadripper

prime jasper
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HEDT is just getting its balls stomped this year

latent light
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I want people to ask lisa more questions about Zen 3

prime jasper
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you cant rush the good doctor....she is rewarding us for our patience now

steep gust
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Literally no one from AMD said no third gen threadripper

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That is a perfect example of why you ignore rumors

latent light
steep gust
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Its coming in 2020

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which is why it was removed from the 2019 investors roadmap

latent light
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at least rumors were correct about 12-16 cores being on AM4

prime jasper
latent light
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sexy

prime jasper
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sweet moses

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creaking motherboard mounts screaming in agony

latent light
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full VRM and chipset coverage

jade tangle
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jeez thats ugly

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at least it has rgb

prime jasper
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now this gives me a good hard think

steep gust
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how

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they list products they will sell

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for $0

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before they have stock

prime jasper
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t h i c c
h
i
c
c

steep gust
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uh

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the dominus extreme has two 24 pins NotLikeThis

grizzled heath
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Can anyone help me?

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I have problems with Battlefield 1, not 5, but this problem is quite annoying and I thought any of you could help me.

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My problem is the following:

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I have a Ryzen 3 1300x, 8 gb of ram (dual channel) and an RX 580.

steep gust
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buy 8GB of RAM

grizzled heath
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The game runs in 45 fps with massive frame drops even on the lowest settings, this only occurs in Battlefield 1

steep gust
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Ideally you want 16GB

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SSD or HDD?

grizzled heath
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HDD, but I don't understand why many people with worse PC's get better performance

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That's what bothers me

prime jasper
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is this on dx11 or 12?

grizzled heath
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Dx 12 If I'm not wrong

prime jasper
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whichever it is, switch to the other and see what happens

grizzled heath
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Alright, I will be back in 5 minutes.

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Now I might be blind

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But I don't see DX 12 or 11 in my settings

steep gust
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Its BF1

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not BFV

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Pretty sure BF1 doesn't have DX12

latent light
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@grizzled heath depending on motherboard you could upgrade to the upcoming 3600 as long as your motherboard can support it

grizzled heath
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It can support it

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But I can only afford a 3300x

latent light
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3300x won't be much different

grizzled heath
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I don't have DX12 enabled in my bf

prime jasper
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hell, try enabling it then lol

grizzled heath
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If I can't see it

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How am supposed to enable it

prime jasper
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users/docs/bf1/PROFSAVE_profile look for Dx12Enabled 0 if its got a 1 after it dx12 is on just change to 0 and save

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or change from 0 to 1 which is most likely for you

grizzled heath
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it's enabled

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so I'm disabling it now

prime jasper
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cool lets see what happens

grizzled heath
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I'll be back in a sec

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I'm getting a smooth 25 fps

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but It's fixing itself

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kind of

mortal nacelle
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You should get more ram

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And a ssd

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Thats really the only thing i Can see Why you get low fps :/ But Dunno not a huge amd nerd

prime jasper
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obviously updating drivers and such may help

grizzled heath
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all drivers are up to date

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I will buy a ssd

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but I don't think Ram are the problem

mortal nacelle
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Win 10 like 8 GB

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Then you have notting for games

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This is without going into details

grizzled heath
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I have win 7

prime jasper
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Ryzen isnt compatible with Win 7 without workarounds

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so your experience may be rough

grizzled heath
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It was the same on win 10

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So I don't really know what to say anymore

prime jasper
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oh, you went back to win 7 to try to troubleshoot?

mortal nacelle
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Win 7 on ryzen

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:/

grizzled heath
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Yep.

mortal nacelle
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Well you still Want more then 8gb of ram

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But it Might be your system Tbh

grizzled heath
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But why does every other game that I play run well?

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r6s, gta 5, I even played bf5 and It ran better than this

mortal nacelle
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No one knows

desert zinc
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VICE - Right click the game in the taskbar and select properties. Go to Compatability and check off "disable full screen optimizations"

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Then, with the game running, open taskmanager and find the game running under "Details"

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Right click is and select, "set affinity"

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Disable core 0 and close the game and relaunch

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See if it's any better

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Right click it*

latent light
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18% IPC gain

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also, double the performance of Intel integrated graphics = still useless

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can finally compete with a Vega 8 iGPU

steep gust
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uh

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Its compared to the WhiskeyLake CPUs before it

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not desktop Skylake+++

latent light
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the i7-8665U already has similar single core speed to the i5-8400

compact basalt
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Have a question about Battlefield V. Can someone tell me how much distance the mouse needs for a 360 degree rotation on the PC, with a sensitivity of 10% Ingame and a mouse 400 DPI. Have bought me a mouse for my PS4 and would like to try this setting. Unfortunately, I can't take the settings one on one to the console.

steep gust
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have you tried a ruler

iron canyon
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No idea, i play on 1k DPI and 2% ingame... Sadcatthumb

prime jasper
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who wanna play combined arms?

odd goblet
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!lfg

junior ploverBOT
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Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

quaint topaz
prime jasper
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humane design principles? what in tarnation is that supposed to mean

latent light
supple bane
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too chunky and in your face for me

latent light
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the case I want

supple bane
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i also like that

latent light
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yeah good value

supple bane
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i have something very similar to that i guess

storm osprey
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i hear thermals are pretty fucking bad for it though

supple bane
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i have the master box lite 3.1

storm osprey
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i dont think ill ever not get a fractal design case though

supple bane
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as far as im aware, the case i have is like one of the best budget cases on the market

storm osprey
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which is?

supple bane
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read up about 4 messages haHAA

storm osprey
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you said the case you have vs the case you want

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wait nvm

supple bane
storm osprey
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sorry i kept looking at link

supple bane
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lol

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the thing is, it has swappable plastic parts that have different colours

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it comes with red white and black

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i havent found a single 3rd party that sells different colours for those yet

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i guess you could just take them off and spray paint them but still

storm osprey
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ORANGE

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i spray painted parts of my pc orange

supple bane
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of course you did heh

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tbh i dont have a theme for my setup anymore

storm osprey
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well i have a black and orange build, but have a soundcard that is bright red with a red led

supple bane
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my pc is all black

storm osprey
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clipped that led and spray painted the shroud

supple bane
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and i have loads of light up stuffs that is all red

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so i am basically black and red

storm osprey
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i got orange on my gpu and an orange strip

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should change it to a white strip though

prime jasper
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Does anyone else stutter like crazy if they don’t run standbylistcleaner?

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When that program is on, I don’t stutter

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I don’t really understand why it happens

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I've never even heard of that

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You can do it manually in task manager by making it so your ram clears every couple of minutes

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But the program does it automatically

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I don’t understand if is the game or windows

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you run out of RAM?

quaint topaz
latent light
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AM4 motherboard with Intel mount

lofty light
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Makes it an easy transition for me 👌

latent light
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Can't wait to fit a Xeon 3175X on a X399 motherboard someday haHAA

steep gust
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SP3 has more pins

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something like 4033

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and the 3647 mounting is literal dogshit

latent light
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Threadripper has 4094 pins

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that doesn't look like many though

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it would be cool to see Intel and AMD develop a new platform where both of their CPUs work on the same motherboard

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like both of them making a CPU with the same pin count

steep gust
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look at that logical mounting

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instead of 3647 with good luck getting all your channels to show up

lofty light
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Intel and AMD wouldn't create a platform that supports both, it would severely hamper the side that is worse

latent light
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why are there no B550 boards being shown

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sub $100 motherboards are always the most bought

latent light
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AMD stock went up 10% in 1 day

lofty light
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After the announcement?

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I should really invest in tech stocks, it seems real easy to make money like that

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Buy before the announcement, sell before the actual release

latent light
lofty light
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Hmm, just googled it and looks intriguing

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I was under the impression that there were laptops with xeons and workstation GPUs already though?

prime jasper
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@lofty light doesn't work if their announcement disasterous

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just dissapointing announcement will bring stock down

lofty light
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Not much chance of ryzen 2 having that with all the hype leaks

green nebula
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Daisy-chained fans

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I NEED IIIITTTTTTTTT

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Give or take, it also looks decent

supple bane
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unless they have some form of software that comes with them, you arent going to be able to individually control fan speeds

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i guess you wouldnt need it in that context if it is just going to be for a rad

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wait, just a question, was any more info on zen 2 released at computex 2019?

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ok, youtube answered that question

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jesus, have i been living under a rock or something ?

pine plinth
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Yes

prime jasper
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God please hotfix the nonstop plane sound big please

supple bane
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its in an area , if you get it, just run about 300 m away and it should stop

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thats what i have found at least

supple bane
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im still not able to find a lobby in rs6. is there a reason behind this

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i havent been able to play this game for this reason

steep gust
supple bane
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I dont get it ?

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like what is that?

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i get the ram part and the speeds... just dont understand what the context is

steep gust
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Its the like 5th world record within a week for DRAM freq

little ivy
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here’s a picture of my new GPU

steep gust
latent light
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D15

supple bane
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do noctua even sell anything that lights up?

prime jasper
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dont think so

long frost
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I cant seem to find my cpu

supple bane
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what ?

long frost
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I dont see it

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Is it placed under cooling

prime jasper
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ideally....

supple bane
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im....... confused

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oh

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wait

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yes, it will be under a cooler

long frost
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I mean under it?

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Like in the circle thing

supple bane
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well hopefully

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yes

long frost
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Then what are the fans that are connected to it

supple bane
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basically

long frost
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I have liquid cooling

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Im not very good at this thing, just had my pc assembled

supple bane
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ok

long frost
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So what are the fans for?

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With the cooling

supple bane
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the fans move air through the radiator

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the radiator is a metal dish that has a very high surface area so it can dissipate heat very quickly

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without the fan, air wont move through the radiator and take the heat away from it

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do you know a lot of about cars ?

long frost
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The fans are connected with the circle cooler master liquid cooler

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I dont know much about cars

supple bane
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yes

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ok

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ok, ill call you and explain this in a call.

long frost
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No

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I cant speak english, i can only type

supple bane
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can you understand english tho?

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you dont have to speak it

long frost
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Also, im very awkward

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Yea i understand it

supple bane
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thats enough then

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you fine with me calling you then ?

long frost
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Wont text do?

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I dont want to be rude

prime jasper
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you can probably find videos that explain how these things work

steep gust
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yeah you can

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Its very simple

long frost
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I just wanted to know y i couldnt see my cpu

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The chip

supple bane
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it is underneath a cooler

long frost
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Is it supposed to be there?

prime jasper
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yes

long frost
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Oh ok

steep gust
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Its there

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If your computer turns on

long frost
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Yea it turns on

supple bane
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pretty sure its there then

jade tangle
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is it normal that my 6700k is getting nearly fully loaded when i work on a 4k vector graphic?

long frost
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But it reaches high temperatures after testing using prime95

supple bane
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what is the temperature exactly ?

steep gust
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What CPU is it?

supple bane
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or roughly should i say

steep gust
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Prime95 is designed to make stuff hot

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and is not a realistic workload

long frost
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80c after 7-8 mins continues testing

supple bane
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ye thats fine

long frost
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I7 8700k

steep gust
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yeah that is fine at entirely stock settings

long frost
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Its overclocked

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I watched a tutorial

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To overclock it

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At 47 ratio

supple bane
#

you really shoudlnt do that sort of thing if you dont know much about pc's

jade tangle
#

just go ham

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you cant break anything

supple bane
#

because not all cpu's are the same

steep gust
#

Its still technically fine, I just do't recommend higher temps

long frost
#

It was for 8700k i7

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So i thought following it would be ok

steep gust
#

@jade tangle I can make my CPU blue smoke by changing one number

jade tangle
#

show me :)

latent light
#

all 8700Ks don't overclock the same, it's all about binning

long frost
#

Binning?

supple bane
#

if it works, it works, just remember, he might have super beefy cooling, and a good mother board, you might not

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both those things will effect how much you can overclock

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thats why i highly reccomend that you dont overclock unless you know exactly how to do it and what it is you are doing

latent light
#

some 8700Ks are a terrible bin and can only overclock to 4.7 GHz, some are good and can do as much as 5.3 GHz

long frost
#

Oh

steep gust
#

To maximize profit, chip manufacturers test and sort chips based on various criteria such as leakage current, power draw at key frequencies, salvageable defects, etc. to decide which product range the chips fit best in. That's binning.

When you buy "K-chips", you are playing the lottery: you are guaranteed a chip that performs at least up to stock K-chip standard but you have absolutely no way to know beforehand how much farther beyond that your specific chip can go under any given circumstances beyond stock conditions. That's the chip lottery. Some i5/i7 3xxxK/4xxxK may max out at 4.2GHz while others may hit 5GHz. Some may require 60W@1.2V to get to a given clock rate while others may require 100W@1.35V.
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dated but good enough

prime jasper
#

@latent light yeah thats like 1% at 5.3 lol

steep gust
#

uh

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Most 8700k will do 5.3 if you go cold enough WoahTea

long frost
#

80c seems very hot

supple bane
#

its fine

steep gust
#

85C is the limit for skylake

supple bane
#

dont get worried until you see 100

long frost
#

Shouldnt it be 40 maybe

supple bane
#

no

steep gust
#

uh

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100C is damaging your CPU

supple bane
#

thats like ln2

latent light
#

Intel and AMD Ryzen both handle 80c with ease

supple bane
#

yes thats why i said, dont get worried until thatmark

long frost
#

The guy said it should be 50-70 while playing

steep gust
#

Ryzen degrades at 80C when overclocked

supple bane
#

thats just an estimate m8

steep gust
#

Not an estimate

#

I know multiple people who have degraded them

long frost
#

Bf5 is between 60-65c

steep gust
#

and people have reverse engineered some safe values out of the PBO boost tables

long frost
#

When i played for an hour

steep gust
#

That is perfectly fine

supple bane
#

well we can all here at least promise that 80 is perfectly fine

long frost
#

But i see frame drops

latent light
#

BFV been having issues lately

long frost
#

Gpu is latest

supple bane
#

ye i was getting to 15 earlier on mercury

steep gust
#
1.4V max voltage for 90C max temperature, 1.42v should be ok but staying below 80C suggested.```

From people with way more testing than some claim
long frost
#

So no issues with cpu

steep gust
#

Its BFV being BFV

supple bane
#

no, there is nothing wrong with your cpu

long frost
#

Wasnt any fps drops in console so i got worried

supple bane
#

ye console is different

prime jasper
#

consoles are specifically configured a certain way and the devs can target the game to only that which is usually 30-60fps depending

steep gust
#

BFV on console is already a poor experience

long frost
#

It was fine for me

supple bane
#

all console games are a bad experience compared to pc

latent light
#

900P medium settings 60 fps

steep gust
#

'60' fps

latent light
#

already played BFV on xbox one, it was stable 60 fps

steep gust
#

It has a tendency to go all over the place from when I'm seen people play BFV

supple bane
#

how do you know tho ?

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like do consoles have fps counters ?>

steep gust
#

Console doesn't have an FPS counter and TVs are deceiving for refresh rates

long frost
#

No, i havent seen fps counters

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On ps4

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DXR setting is for ray tracing

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But it doesnt look any different

supple bane
#

yup

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welcome to rtx

long frost
#

A bit more lighting here and there

supple bane
#

we make your game look the exact same for the price of your fps

long frost
#

Haha

prime jasper
#

in this game you only really notice the differences in the reflections on windows and water

long frost
#

I have 75 fps monitor so its ok with or without ray tracing for me

supple bane
#

did you lot know that intel made a water cooler?

long frost
#

No

#

Liquid cooling is better or water cooling?

latent light
supple bane
#

whos going to tell him ?

long frost
#

What

supple bane
#

they are the same thing

#

just different names

#

idk

long frost
#

No, water cooling is with pipes

supple bane
#

dies

prime jasper
#

yes...yes it is

latent light
#

Xbox - 720p
PS4 - 900p
PS4 pro - 1440p
Xbox one X - 1800p

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for BFV multiplayer

prime jasper
#

er...are you talking about upscaling to 4k?

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or downscaling at 1080p?

long frost
#

Wait, im confused how are they same

supple bane
#

its like a gpu or a graphics card

#

or cpu or processor

long frost
#

Water cooling also has fan?

supple bane
#

yes

long frost
#

But i dont see any pipes

prime jasper
#

tubes instead

long frost
#

No tube

supple bane
#

so you dont have a water cooler then ?

#

does your cooler look something like this ?

long frost
#

I have cooler master master liquid 240

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Yes

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Like that

supple bane
#

ok thats a water or liquid cooler

long frost
#

A circle box and fan

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But there is no pipe

#

Like i see on internet

supple bane
#

can you take a picture of inside your pc and dm it to me please

supple bane
#

thats what is known as a custom water cooling loop

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or custom liquid cooling loop

latent light
#

that 480mm rad

supple bane
#

thicc

long frost
#

So it is better liquid cooling?

supple bane
#

that is liquid cooling !

latent light
#

Noctua D15 is an air cooler that will beat a 240mm AIO watercooler

desert zinc
#

I got an Atomic Pi off Amazon. Pretty dope SBC. More powerful than a Raspberry Pi. and it's an Intel CPU... so you can run more stuff!

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You can even put Win 10 on it

latent light
#

raspberry pi best operating system and support tbh

steep gust
#

@long frost That is hardline custom water cooling

Which costs a lot more and is pretty much only for extreme users

supple bane
#

i have explained all this in dm

steep gust
#

The parts of the loop shown above probably total $800 before the actual PC

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Although EK blocks NotLikeThis

prime jasper
#

plot twist: its cooling a pentium g4560

jade tangle
#

is atomic pi still a arm cpu?

#

no intel

#

ok

desert zinc
#

yeah intel

#

not sure how many cores

#

I'd have to look it up again

jade tangle
#

so it can run x64 stuff

desert zinc
#

yep! 😄

#

thats the beauty of it!

latent light
#

Fx-8350 at 7.7GHz only scores 1200 on cinebench

prime jasper
#

single or multi?

latent light
#

multi

prime jasper
#

amazing that it can still play games today

#

Question ive been getting huge fps drops for a while and not a lot of help just wondering if it’s possible to stop it

#

for a while since what?

#

couple months after game launch

pallid silo
#

What's the point of geforce experience? When I can download the drivers off the website itself I use OBS so I dont need shadowplau or anything and I do game settings my self

storm osprey
#

an all in 1 app that used to fuck with your files

pallid silo
#

So it's better to download drivers from website?

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@storm osprey

storm osprey
#

its what i always do

#

benefit from that is that if theres a bad driver you didnt download it automatically

pallid silo
#

That's very true!! What's your gpu

storm osprey
#

1080

pallid silo
#

Ah! I used to have that but now use a 1070

storm osprey
#

solid card, 1080 at the time was slightly more expensive than 1070 and i play at 1440p

pallid silo
#

Ahh that's fair enough!! :) I used to do 1440p but downgraded as I prefer higher fps for fps games

prime jasper
#

So any solutions to these fps drops?

latent light
#

what are your specs

prime jasper
#

Ryzen 5 2600
GTX 1070

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Anything else important u need to know?

latent light
#

it's more than likely because of recent game update

prime jasper
#

Ive had this issue for 6 months around haven’t played cause of it

latent light
#

how is your ram

prime jasper
#

8gb 2666 mhz

latent light
#

single channel?

prime jasper
#

Dual

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Worked great for the first 2 months

latent light
#

is this setup getting better performance than you?

#

you could be ram limited tbh

prime jasper
#

Stutter wise yes

latent light
#

you probably need more ram

prime jasper
#

ill still check about other peoples ram but otherwise thanks for helping

latent light
#

np

long sphinx
#

and how much it cost

latent light
#

X570 Prime will definitely be over $150

#

I say in the $160-200 range

long sphinx
#

really? not bad

#

so the prime line is mid range?

latent light
#

X470 Prime goes for $140 now, so I can assume the X570 will be over $150

#

yeah it's a mid-range X570

long sphinx
#

there are so many lines now: rog,strix tuff etc

#

this baby with the new 3600x is going to go pretty sweet i bet

#

now i need someone to go to usa and get that shit!

latent light
#

it will be available all over Europe, NA, Oceania on July 7th

long sphinx
#

south america

latent light
#

and most of Asia

long sphinx
#

hopefully some family member going to murica

latent light
#

germany gets good prices on AMD stuff

long sphinx
#

holy shit i think my aunt was going to ney york

#

yeah boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

#

gotta start sweeting her up

latent light
#

my friend wants the X570 Prime mostly because it has a lot of white on it

#

he's doing a white build

#

I want to paint my walls grey

#

like that

long sphinx
#

but it has to be pretty well luminated

#

else is going to look too dark

prime jasper
#

@prime jasper are you using dx12? that works better with Ryzen

latent light
#

light grey best

long sphinx
#

that one is nice

prime jasper
#

@prime jasper ill try it later

steep gust
#

Don't buy any boards until we have access to them and can tell the VRMs tbh

#

Asus' Z390 boards were disappointing

prime jasper
#

@prime jasper sadly made the game unplayable made it stuttery

#

probably need more ram

#

Most likely BFV brings ram up to 95%

latent light
#

that's the issue

prime jasper
#

Alright thx guys will be ordering some more ram...

latent light
#

best thing would be to get two 8GB sticks rated at 3000 MHz

#

and sell your current ram

#

4 sticks of ram doesn't work well for ryzen

steep gust
#

3000-3200 CL16 or lower is ideal

latent light
#

I got 3000 CL15

steep gust
#

I got stuff overclocked to 3600 CL15 WoahTea

latent light
#

most 3000 mhz ram out there is cl16

#

stock anyway

prime jasper
#

3200cl14 keeping me humming along

steep gust
#

binned b-die cost a lot

prime jasper
#

its dropped since I got this like 6 months ago

mortal nacelle
#

Insane stuff

#

😮

flint locust
#

@latent light exact color of my walls, looks great OkDoggo

latent light
prime jasper
#

@mortal nacelle Yee that socket is built for ram disk

#

It's why I went for that socket aswell

lofty light
#

Is that the Intel 28 core one?

supple bane
#

@latent light thats exactly how i have my wall, 3 are snow white and the back feature wall is dark grey

#

no idea how that is related to tech but im going with it

jade tangle
#

when buying a radeon 7 is there any difference becausse they all look the same but have different price

mortal nacelle
#

yeah dont

jade tangle
#

when is that new cool terminal for windows coming

steep gust
#

@lofty light Yeah he has a 3175X

latent light
#

EVGA laid off 30% of its workers and them trying to expand their business cost them a lot of money

steep gust
#

I see nothing on google about that

prime jasper
#

thats a suspicious looking email....almost like a rumor or 'leak'

latent light
steep gust
#

Can we get an actual source

latent light
#

could be false or EVGA is trying to cover it up

steep gust
#

There isn't even a name on the email

latent light
#

we all know businesses try to hide shit

steep gust
#

and we all know that a 30% layoff would have more than a email

#

and an informal email at that

#

videocardz is only good for leaks of pictures and nothing more

latent light
#

does EVGA only make high-end motherboards?

prime jasper
#

PSUs, gpus and other such too

steep gust
#

Motherboards, PSUs, and GPUs

storm osprey
#

that letter reads like it is from some tin foil hat reddit user

sacred dust
#

Hi!
I have a question!
How good or bad will a:
i5 6400
8gb DDR4 ram 1x8gb
GTX 1060 6gb
256gb SSD
How good or bad will Battlefield V run on that setup?

steep gust
#

not amazing

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at 1080p

supple bane
#

it will run bfv at 1080p perfectly fine dont worry

#

you will get at least 100 fps if you play with try hard low settings

storm osprey
#

max settings it shows 45 fps avg on here

steep gust
#

8GB of ram and a 4c 4t CPU

storm osprey
#

but bfv has seemingly been getting worse and worse with optimization over time, so idk if these numbers would hold up

steep gust
#

that won't get you 100fps

supple bane
#

on low it will

#

i too have 4c 4t

steep gust
#

are we talking about the same game here?

supple bane
#

and i get 100< when on lowest settings

#

maybe not in the more intense game modes like grand ops

steep gust
#

and I'm guessing your CPU clocks higher than 3.3ghz

supple bane
#

nope

#

3.25

storm osprey
molten coral
#

How can people even play with 8GB I don't even have a game on atm and i'm already using 7,4GB of ram with 6 chrome tabs and normal things like origin..

storm osprey
#

60 fps avg on med settings

steep gust
#

1% and 0.1%

#

don't look at just average

storm osprey
#

i could see in not intense areas getting 100fps

steep gust
#

and that is using 12GB of RAM

supple bane
#

your just being pedantic now

#

@sacred dust it willl run fine m8

steep gust
#

fine is subjective

storm osprey
#

considering 1% and .1% are during something like an explosion and doesnt last long, i dont think its a big issue

steep gust
#

Considering 1% and 0.1% make it dependent on a smooth experience

storm osprey
#

by anyone not being snooty about their game, it will run fine

supple bane
#

im not being funny, but i doubt that he is wanting 240 htz ultra settings gaming experience

#

he said will it run the game fine

#

and it will

#

i have a less powerful gpu and cpu and play the game perfectly fine

#

as long as you have dual channel memory, i cant see any problems

storm osprey
#

youd have to be really nitpicking to say it wont run fine

steep gust
#

He also never stated if his RAM is 2x4 or 1x8

supple bane
#

i did just say that....

storm osprey
#

shadow didnt say what he had

supple bane
#

ik, and thats what i meant by "as long as you have dual channel memory, i cant see any problems"

storm osprey
#

@sacred dust with that system, and current bfv optimization, as long as you have 2x4 ram you should expect at least 60 fps on low/off settings

sacred dust
#

sadly it is 1 x8gb ram on that thing, i was thinking of buying that for my son
It is a :

Lenovo IdeaCentre Y710 Cube 90FL0041MW

mortal nacelle
#

😮

#

see from the time stap

prime jasper
#

@sacred dust yeah thats really not a gaming PC

sacred dust
#

@prime jasper ok, thanks, then i wait and look for something else..once again ty for the help

latent light
#

$60 a month for 3 mbps down and 0.50 up, goes down for maintenance once a week for 3 hours minimum

prime jasper
#

?

final parcel
#

wut?

latent light
#

CenturyLink is the worst ISP

storm osprey
#

i always like small form factor cases with a massive fan in the front

supple bane
#

what the fuck is that cooler

#

its massive

#

two pumps on a aio doesnt look good at all

long frost
#

Guys i updated windows to 1903 and latest nvidia drivers. Now i see no stuttering

prime jasper
#

interesting, not sure which helped but if it works it works

long frost
#

Yea

#

No more frame drop

jade tangle
#

always blame windows

maiden copper
#

1060 3GB, i5 7600k, 8GB 4x2 RAM 1TB hdd. Really don't want to upgrade as I don't have the money but sadly it seems this system is showing its weaker side with newer games. upgrades??

prime jasper
#

dead chipset, best you can do on that one is a 7700k which isnt worth it unless you find a great deal used

#

upgrade mobo,cpu, and ram would be needed otherwise

maiden copper
#

time to go for a ryzen?

prime jasper
#

sure, all a matter of budget

storm osprey
#

not until it launches

#

zen 2 that is

maiden copper
#

oh yeah i won't have money for ages lmao so it wont be an issue

#

just wondering what i need

prime jasper
#

once you get the money then you can hunt!

maiden copper
#

what should I look at though

prime jasper
#

mobo,cpu, and ram lol

maiden copper
#

i mean

#

what cpu

#

is all i need to know

prime jasper
#

oh, well I cant tell you how what for you budget because you wont have the money until well into the future as you said

storm osprey
#

gotta wait to see what zen 2 offers

#

2600 was the sweet spot so i guess the 3600 will be a good sweet spot again

prime jasper
#

my 2700x is giving me the beetus then

maiden copper
#

i wanna die

#

i spent

#

£260

#

on a processor

#

that performs

#

2% better

#

than a cpu that costs

#

£135

#

hahaahhaha kill me

steep gust
#

3600 will be cheap

prime jasper
#

ouchie

steep gust
#

and we have zero performance numbers

latent light
#

3600 better than 2700X

maiden copper
#

When do they release

#

or is this super early

latent light
#

july 7th

maiden copper
#

and we still don't have prices

#

the heck

#

why is pc gaming so expensive eugh

latent light
#

we do have prices

maiden copper
#

oh

#

how much is 3600 then

latent light
#

Ryzen 5 3600 at $199 USD

maiden copper
#

🤔 tfw i spend almost £300 on i5 7600k

steep gust
#

yes

#

because intel is a shitty buy

maiden copper
#

nearest bridge is located where

steep gust
#

now if you paid $350 for a 7600k within the last 3 years

#

You got scammed

maiden copper
#

no like below £300

#

above £245

#

whatever that is in $

latent light
#

I can't believe the 3600 is $199 msrp but the 3600X is $249

steep gust
#

I can

latent light
#

no one will buy the 3600x then

steep gust
#

Plenty will

#

It will boost higher

latent light
#

2600X msrp was $229

maiden copper
#

me looking at my old pc with empty paypal

steep gust
#

what cooler does it come with?

#

It probably has the better one

maiden copper
#

who wants to give me like around £10,000

latent light
#

3600 comes with wraith stealth and 3600X comes with wraith spire

maiden copper
#

I wanna be Mr.Beasts friend

latent light
#

3900X with 64MB L3 cache

#

3600X and 3700X both have the same boost clock but same TDP

#

I wanna know all core clocks

steep gust
#

not great

#

Also TDP is for base clocks

latent light
#

3600X has 3.8 GHz base and 3700X has 3.6 base

#

probably why

#

3800X 3.9 GHz base

prime jasper
#

ello tech support

#

my pc keeps crashing in game

storm osprey
#

we arent really tech support

#

more of a tech chat

#

but we can try to help

#

specs and situation of the problem would help

#

of course make sure everything is updated like windows and drivers first

latent light
#

4.5 GHz all core would be nice but 1.35V is a lot for 7nm

#

that will likely require custom waterloop

#

says 4.8 GHz achievable on all cores but then says 1.35V required for 4.5 GHz

#

I wouldn't go above 1.35v on 7nm

latent light
steep gust
#

@latent light That Aida64 leak makes no real sense

#

Why is the quality so bad OMEGALUL

#

and the latency doesn't match other leaks

latent light
#

It looks like they took a picture on their phone

thorn marlin
#

On ps4

#

2014 tech talk please?

jade tangle
#

guys is there any good text or video i can watch if i dont understand what volt and ampere means in computer terms

#

how they relate to speeds and stuff

latent light
#

Cooler Master making an RGB GPU bracket...

supple bane
#

@jade tangle they dont really relate to speed, basically, the higher the clock speed you go, the more voltage the cpu will need. but the more voltage. the more unstable and hot the cpu will get. increasing the voltage wont make the cpu faster

lofty light
jade tangle
#

so is that only so hot because there are no heatsinks?

supple bane
#

I just got another set of LED’s Chag

#

now I have two

#

time to make my setup even more like a disco

lofty light
#

@jade tangle it's hot because they just kept increasing the voltage

jade tangle
#

yeah but thats what you do when you oc

lofty light
#

Not too much though

#

It's super dangerous if you have lower end tech without OVP

steep gust
#

uh

#

Its dangerous because companies are fucking lazy

#

and don't heatsinks on

sour ivy
#

How much better than the 1660ti is the 2060 really

latent light
#

roughly 15%

shadow kernel
#

@sour ivy 30 percent I think

#

Oh never mind

storm osprey
#

fps difference is 10-15fps on average

shadow kernel
#

According to gpu check the difference is about 12 percent on 1080p

storm osprey
#

for 70 bucks more the math doesnt add up to me

#

but at the same time, if you got 70 bucks to spare, why not?

pallid silo
#

@storm osprey I'd prefer to put my 70 bucks into crypto currency xd

storm osprey
#

@sour ivy imo, dont get anything but an msrp 1660ti though, or something close to msrp, spend more than 20 bucks than msrp and you might as well as get a 2060

desert zinc
#

I have a 1070ti, how long before I need to upgrade you think?

prime jasper
#

depends what you play and your target resolution/fps

desert zinc
#

BFV, most AAA games

#

1080P

#

144hz monitor

prime jasper
#

1080p depends more on your cpu

desert zinc
#

oh really

prime jasper
#

1440p and above youre gpu bound

desert zinc
#

ok

steep gust
#

1080p is still GPU bound

#

Plenty of games peg my 1080 to 100% in 1080p

prime jasper
#

are you getting 144fps on yours?

steep gust
#

Most games, yes

prime jasper
#

fair enough, I dont play at 1080p so Im not sure what the logical upgrade is

sour ivy
#

@storm osprey I'm deciding between a 350 dollar 2060 and a 280 dollar 1660ti

supple bane
#

1660ti