technology

[steep gust]

and its not suppose to interfere much if its a newer microwave

[quartz whale]

@steep gust just got a refund on it anyways it was garbage

[lofty light]

Who doesn't have cheap microwaves though tbh

I know mine is dirt cheap and makes my wireless headset go haywire

[quartz whale]

@lofty light I highly doubt ur like really close too it

[lofty light]

Nope

Although in most cases I was walking around with the headset on

[prime jasper]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=mds-zombieload-mit&num=10

The two AMD systems tested saw a 3% performance hit with the default mitigations. While there are minor differences between the systems to consider, the mitigation impact is enough to draw the Core i7 8700K much closer to the Ryzen 7 2700X and the Core i9 7980XE to the Threadripper 2990WX.

ouch

[crimson wolf]

Can anyone tell me why I have no connection?
My wifi is fine

I mean my router

[prime jasper]

reboot the router

[supple bane]

if you are using an ethernet cable, try litterally un-plugging it and plugging it back in. that happened to me last night after a fresh install of windows. and what i said above worked for me

[hollow oriole]

So I've been having some performance probloms after the patch.

I used to have Future Frame Rendering off I now have it on and my FPS is a bit better

Should I limit the FPS to my Monitor Refresh Rate?

[supple bane]

yes

no point having it higher

[storm osprey]

what kind of performance problems?

i really doubt toggling future frame render will stop something like crashing

[hollow oriole]

Just overall bad FPS.

[storm osprey]

future frame rendering will make it smoother iirc

but you add input lag

[supple bane]

exactly that

more fps on the cost of input lag

[storm osprey]

idk if its MORE fps but more consistent fps

[hollow oriole]

It's been giving me around 40 more FPS.

And consistent.

But, if I was getting frame drops to around 45.

Is that sort of the same thing?

[storm osprey]

just toggling future frame render gave you 40 fps?

[hollow oriole]

Like input lag?

[storm osprey]

that doesnt sound right to me..

[hollow oriole]

Yes

I know doesn't sound right to me either.

[storm osprey]

input lag is the time from your inputs to the time it shows up on screen

think something like turning on vsync

[hollow oriole]

I've also changed V-Sync.

Turning it off.

[storm osprey]

vsync should always be off

it adds so much input lag

[supple bane]

ye, i get the idea of it, yanno, limiting to the refresh rate. but why not just manually limit it

[storm osprey]

fps cap and vsync arent exactly the same

[supple bane]

isnt vsync just limiting the fps to the mrr?

[storm osprey]

it matches the frames to the intervals the monitor refreshes at

[supple bane]

oohhh

ok

still not worth the input lag tho

[storm osprey]

think of each "monitor refresh" as a tick

and vsync will match those ticks with frames to render

[supple bane]

and it frame will "occur" at the same time of those tics?

[storm osprey]

fps cap doesnt necessarily mean the monitor "ticks" matches the frames "ticks"

[hollow oriole]

I'm sorry if I said like a complete idiot, I don't know much about computers.

I'm learning though.

[supple bane]

i dont know much either, dont worry heh

[storm osprey]

ya killa said it in the other chat, but toggle dx11 and dx12 first

see which performs better for you

if its still not to your liking then try future frame

[hollow oriole]

I have it off.

[storm osprey]

have what off?

[hollow oriole]

I'm pretty sure that's what worked best.

DX

[storm osprey]

you either have dx 11 or 12 on

[hollow oriole]

DX12 is off.

My bad. for the misunderstanding.

[storm osprey]

Have you tried turning it on?

[hollow oriole]

Yes,

I have it off beacuse that's what worked best at the time

I suppose I can turn it on and see.

[storm osprey]

i would test again at some point

[supple bane]

just a question

when i did my fresh install of windows, it has deleted my mic drivers

i had realtek, how do i go about getting those back?

nvm

ignore that

[storm osprey]

ignored

[supple bane]

for what ever reason, i couldnt use my mic, and usually when i plug my mic in, realtek opens automatically, when it didnt do that i jumped to the conclusion that it had been deleted

[storm osprey]

aint it the truth

[steep gust]

you forgot the 4000rpm fan

[toxic pike]

Guys, I have a problem I have a decent pc and BF V runs like shit

[storm osprey]

welcome to bfv

[toxic pike]

Is there a way to fix that?

[storm osprey]

low settings, toggle dx 11 and 12 to see which performs better

[toxic pike]

I have already tried that

[storm osprey]

toggle future frame render to see which you like

update drivers

[toxic pike]

Everything on Low: 40-60fps
Everything on Ultra or High: 40-55

Its like almost the same no matter what setting

my drivers are up to date

[storm osprey]

thats not right

[toxic pike]

every other game runs like butter on ultra

[storm osprey]

specs?

[toxic pike]

1 sec.

Processor: i7-4790 3.6 GHz
GPU: GTX 1070 8GB
RAM: 16 (2x8)

did I forget something?

[storm osprey]

those are the main points

only thing i can think of is that at 1080p the 4790 is choking a bit

but it shouldnt be that bad

[toxic pike]

:/

does it run well on your pc?

[storm osprey]

i play at 1440p so im offloading my load to gpu

[desert bear]

You have passed me the same as him. Game 30 minutes and all good, then lower the fps.
Processor: i7-7700Hq 2.80Ghz
GPU: GTX 1070 8GB
RAM 168(2x8)

And that did not happen at all before. 😒

[toxic pike]

yeah at launch the game ran like butter

and in the beta it ran smooth

so is there a fix?

[storm osprey]

if this is a recent problem with no changes other than a different version of bfv im gonna suspect that

[toxic pike]

it's not that recent

I tried repairing the game and reinstalling

nothing helped

[supple bane]

how old is the system ?

especially the cpu

[toxic pike]

uhhh a 1 and a half year

everything

[supple bane]

Ye that’s not that old

[toxic pike]

I bought everything at the same time when I switched

[storm osprey]

you got a 4790 less than 2years ago?

[toxic pike]

yea

[storm osprey]

that cpu came out in like 2013

2014

[supple bane]

That’s what I was saying hehe, maybe the cpu was getting a little old and slow

[toxic pike]

Well every game runs perfectly on my pc except bfv

[storm osprey]

bfv is a special game

[supple bane]

well bfv is one of the most intensive games out there

behind ark

[toxic pike]

ark runs pretty well tho

[storm osprey]

thank god bfv doesnt look like ark though

i guess that isnt fair, since the last time i played it was when it wasnt even out on xbox yet

[toxic pike]

but If I get a new CPU do you think that will fix the problem?

[storm osprey]

doubt

[supple bane]

Next time you play, have an OSD on and see what is bottlenecking the FPS

[toxic pike]

whats the problem then

[supple bane]

that way you can determine what is causing the low FPS

[storm osprey]

probably bfv

[supple bane]

or just bfv

[toxic pike]

whats osd?

[storm osprey]

you said it ran fine before

you had the same set up then

[toxic pike]

It did yeah

yes

[supple bane]

On screen display

[storm osprey]

if all games but bfv run good/the same

bfv is the outlier

[supple bane]

apparently bfv has been running like shite after the last patch, and I’m getting into the 30’s now, but it doesn’t bother me for some reason so hey

[storm osprey]

i havent been paying attention to performance

but i have noticed that i got some harder drops while playing

i just chalked it up to playing fortress

[supple bane]

for me it is my cpu causing the low FPS, again and bf being bf

[toxic pike]

its only bf v for me

[supple bane]

ye it’s just bf

[toxic pike]

1, 4 and HL are fine

[supple bane]

but again, they are less demanding

[toxic pike]

yeah

[storm osprey]

bf1 was optimized really well

[toxic pike]

do you think they will optimize bfv better in a future update or something?

[supple bane]

If you want better FPS you are just going to need to upgrade, or wait it out and see if they make it optimised

if you do upgrade check to see what is causing the bottle neck first tho

well if there is a bottle neck at all tbf

like for me, my cpu sits at 100% and my gpu like 50, so Ik my cpu is stopping my frames from getting to nice high number

[pallid silo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426031416543805450/580155648906362884/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426031416543805450/580155968931889163/unknown.png

gimp doesnt want my fonts
Neither does vegas xD

[latent light]

how the fuck does X470 support PCIe 4.0?

[steep gust]

well

The CPU has lanes directly to it

and then the chipset has lanes to the CPU

So you take the top x16 slot that is directly to the CPU

and make it 4.0

[latent light]

through a BIOS update?

[steep gust]

ye

and probably a BIOS setting

[crude storm]

https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-rx-3080-3070-performance-prices-leak-beat-2070-at-499-2060-at-399/

[prime jasper]

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl9-hkQjM_g

6 days until reveal

[storm osprey]

pretty sure spy posted the link i saw earlier, but rx cards are supposed to barely beat their competitive in performance, and price

not the drastic price difference we were expecting

[latent light]

yeah Navi is probably going to have RT cores

which could explain the prices

[storm osprey]

the article i read said it wouldnt

I should point out that the specific nomenclature for AMD’s upcoming graphics cards has yet to be confirmed, so we’re using the RX 3080 and RX 3070 monikers as placeholders for the time being. What the products were actually referred to by the spokesperson is Navi XT and Navi Pro.
One additional bean that has been spilled is that Navi reportedly does not feature specific ray tracing hardware.```

[latent light]

wouldn't make sense to sell a card with slightly higher performance than Vega 64 for $100 more

even if it consumes half the power of the V64, it's DOA

[storm osprey]

its a leak from saphire too, which makes better gpus and at a decent price right?

they arent like asus rog where their products cost a lot more than normal

[icy mist]

Hi guys. Does anyone use capture card here?

[quiet wasp]

why is it disabled ??? someone help pls

[storm osprey]

why is what disabled?

[quiet wasp]

RTX is diabled

cant activate in Menu

wanna try it

[storm osprey]

i never messed with rtx so idk

but id imagine you had to activate it through nvidia control panel first

[prime jasper]

you have dx12 on?

[quiet wasp]

yes

[prime jasper]

are you on version 1809 of Win 10?

[quiet wasp]

no

[prime jasper]

theres your problem

[quiet wasp]

normally auto update ?! wtf

[prime jasper]

well maybe you had a setting to stop that

check again

[quiet wasp]

it updated everyhting still 1803 Version

[jade tangle]

you can just download the 1809 image from the windows website

[quiet wasp]

ja i know but why these extra steps ?? Windows Update do it too right?? normally

[latent light]

yeah I'm on 1803 as well

[jade tangle]

my desktop did it by itself

idk what requirements there are

[quiet wasp]

thats stupid

i mean i click update and it dont even update : D

[prime jasper]

something could be corrupted

[jade tangle]

i think its just how windows works 1903 is 2 months overdue also

i would just downlaod the image

no need to bother with why it doesnt download it via updates

[quiet wasp]

i dont know i dont get 1809

update it and its still 1803

maybe its your version in NA idk

[jade tangle]

im eu also

[prime jasper]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

[quiet wasp]

right i install it

still called 1903 and in the internet are some article it say may new update and still call it 1903

[prime jasper]

yes, 1903 is the most current version

DXR was only supported starting with 1809

[quiet wasp]

so i cant activate it in bf ???

[prime jasper]

only if you have windows version 1809 or 1903 and a compatible card

[supple bane]

got an amazing deal for a mic , 45 pound for a mic, the an arm, and a pop filter

as far as im aware the mic im getting is nick named "the snow ball killer"

[jade tangle]

what you want is 1809 not 1903

[supple bane]

the boom is pretty shit but the reviews say it works well, just not in profession work

the mic is the fifine k669

[prime jasper]

@jade tangle 1903 is the latest current build though, MS doesnt make it easy to step back down in builds

[quiet wasp]

wtf i dont change W to an old version

[jade tangle]

?

i though you have 1803 and want to get 1809

[quiet wasp]

so wtf Battlefield ??? Whats wrong with the guys ??? what is this shit ???

buying expensive device to change my fucking windows version ???

speechless

[supple bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/190506197286256640/580147245337280521/ti6f57yg4O_BPlPtn-KrWDqj3mtgNwr8AImjQ0fQQs4.jpg

[jade tangle]

i dont see your problem

[storm osprey]

lol wtf are those pros and cons xD

[supple bane]

exactly XD

[prime jasper]

@quiet wasp the instructions are right there on the website I linked

its free and easy

[storm osprey]

where tf did you get that

[supple bane]

its true tho, there is a huge misconception around pc gaming being expensive, like, you can build a pc for cheaper than a new console and it would still have a mountain of advantages

[storm osprey]

seems like comments and format for 1980's

[supple bane]

also a friend sent it to me

[storm osprey]

buys "old" 4c desktop, throws 200 dollar gpu in it

better than console gaming for 300-400 bucks

[supple bane]

you dont even need to spend that much on a gpu tbh

get a second hand 1060 or even 1660 and your good to go

or even 570

[storm osprey]

(consoles are 750ti levels of performance xD)

[prime jasper]

a one x is definitely past 750ti levels

[storm osprey]

i was thinking a 580 with those 2 free games

true, a beefed console is better than a 750ti

isnt an xbox one x only better with their tech to render 4k images?

at 30 fps

[prime jasper]

with hdr and freesync

1080p60 as well

[storm osprey]

things a pc can do

[prime jasper]

for sub 400? eh...lets be reasonable

[storm osprey]

brand new thats a stretch

rx 580 puts up a fight for 200 bucks (with 2 free new games)

[prime jasper]

but yeah buy an old dell business box like an optiplex 9020, slap a 570 or 580 in it then sure

might have to get a better PSU though

[storm osprey]

thats true

[prime jasper]

I guess thats where the 1650 becomes useful

[storm osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xmFHP3

4gb gpu though

[prime jasper]

just about the most bare minimum gaming there though. assumes you already have the peripherals

[storm osprey]

outside mouse and keyboard youd have to have other stuff for console too

[prime jasper]

I guess if your monitor already has speakers 😂

sounds so good

[storm osprey]

could use a tv like a console does

[prime jasper]

at that point just hook up your xbox controller to it....full circle

[storm osprey]

really could

even though mouse and keyboard would be cheaper

[foggy shadow]

https://i.imgur.com/Y5g2WT4.jpg

This is what BFV looks like, even after I reinstalled gfx drivers. Happened after a double 10 hr render. Doesn't look any better than that my GPU is done for? :/

[prime jasper]

possibly a bad monitor too

[supple bane]

if it was monitor it wouldnt show up in the screen shot

[storm osprey]

xD

[supple bane]

[prime jasper]

shit its so blurry it almost looks like a cell phone pic

[supple bane]

heheheheh

[finite torrent]

"Inside the pool I love you"

Wonder what the rest of that was.

[steep gust]

@foggy shadow How did you remove the old drivers?

Unless your temps will out of control, nothing should have happened during the renders

[latent light]

Sapphire leaked Navi, and it's shit

$500 for RTX 2070 performance

[supple bane]

[latent light]

also doesn't have RT cores

AMD should just sell off their GPU division

it's holding them back

https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-rx-3080-3070-performance-prices-leak-beat-2070-at-499-2060-at-399/

[storm osprey]

lets hope pricing isnt confirmed yet

[forest token]

oof

[grizzled apex]

And AMD went full nvidia in terms of naming xD

[storm osprey]

the bigger the better!

[grizzled apex]

Yeah, soon nvidia will announce the GTRTX 100080 series

[storm osprey]

just gotta keep one upping them

[grizzled apex]

😄

[storm osprey]

XXX 6969 will be a gpu at some point

[violet plank]

now that's an interesting rumor

https://weibointl.api.weibo.cn/share/72019470.html?weibo_id=4374500504258689

short translation,huawei's own os inc by fall

compatible with android

apps

[prime jasper]

No AMD GPU can come close to the 2080ti yet

Or 1080ti OC

[steep gust]

Radeon 7 can probably beat an overclocked 1080ti

with a waterblock

considering some games it trades blows with a 2080ti

[prime jasper]

theres no reason you cant undervolt the Radeon 7 and still overclock it

[steep gust]

you can

but that is less fun

[prime jasper]

After showing someone few benchmarks, definitely safe to say 7 is on par to a bone stock 2080 if 7's drivers are working correctly

Benchmarks all show it. Including firestrike

2080 OC starts to leave it hard

Including 1080ti

7 max range OC on both air and water is 30k, while most 1080ti's can do 33k on water, 31.8 on air

35k on chilled, 40k on dice (which pass's the rtx titan)

Which near's rtx titan zone on chilled (not even subzero)

And pass's 2080ti stock

[latent light]

@prime jasper @steep gust you guys hear about the new Ryzen CPU scoring 4278 in cinebench?

[steep gust]

you guys hear about leaks that are not always accurate

[lofty light]

I prefer Bok Choi

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9UKTss2Zwk

[lofty light]

Don't wanna click the clickbait, what happened?

[latent light]

not clickbait

[lofty light]

No?

[molten bramble]

That's what the clickbaiter would have us believe.

Very sneaky tactic there @latent light , but we're on to you! 😄

[latent light]

the description of the PC he was selling, Facebook algorithm saw the words "league" and "ticket" in the same sentence and thought he was selling sport tickets online, which is illegal

[molten bramble]

Clearly that's the work of the North Koreans my friend.

[latent light]

[steep gust]

So its kinda clickbait

He could almost certainly appeal it

[lofty light]

What I learned is to never use Facebook marketplace tbh

[steep gust]

tbh ye

use it to buy stuff "as is"

and that is it

[prime jasper]

Is it normal for a cpu when playing bf5 to jump between 60%-85% usage?

[forest token]

pretty normal

for me anyways

[prime jasper]

Some people say that their cpu sits at 100%

They get maximum performance but end up bottle necking the gpu

[prime jasper]

@prime jasper higher does not equal better performance

But yes bfv can use up to 12 cores

18 threads

Better the GPU, higher CPU usage

[weak cliff]

I haven’t played this game in 2 months and now this game is so unstable? I have a RTX 2060, I’m getting 54 average and hella frame stutters

[latent light]

repair the game

[finite torrent]

They did just release a patch so why don't you try it out.

[weak cliff]

I have it

[prime jasper]

and the latest drivers?

[grizzled apex]

I’ve been having recent drivers issues. Not so much the game but it’s a bit concerning

[pallid silo]

does it matter that i dont have geforce experience installed or the latest driver? (this driver came with windows 10) would it be worth it to install GFE and the driver too? Im using this on a streaming PC so only using sony vegas and OBS

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/96028420848230400/580819792231923724/unknown.png

[prime jasper]

GFE is optional, you dont have to install it

the latest driver should be used though, no reason not to

[storm osprey]

i never install GFE

in its earliest uses i heard a lot of reports of it fucking up game files

just swore it off ever since

i manually change game settings anyway

[latent light]

I just install the driver, always uncheck the box that says install GFE

[grizzled apex]

GFE kind of sucks for streaming. Recording is nice but I’d use OBS for streaming

When I do and that’s very rare

[solemn shore]

Hi guys i Need help about a monitor 27 inch monitorRecommended to Play battlefield V

[storm osprey]

dont go 27" 1080p

[solemn shore]

My monitir Ho pavilion 27xi is broke

[storm osprey]

so now it comes down to if you can afford/properly run a 1440p monitor

or if you can drop to a 24"1080p

or if youre fine with 27" 1080p's ppi

so that monitor was a 27" 1080p ips monitor

did the pixels bother you?

[solemn shore]

My actual monitor is this

[jade tangle]

if you just want to game go for a cheap dell monitor you can get them for around 200 euros

[solemn shore]

HP Pavilion 27xi 60 Hz IPS pannel

[storm osprey]

right

so im gonna assume youre fine with 27" 1080p

most people hate the ppi

what are specs?

and what do you want? do you want to keep ips? can you do VA or TN

which do you prefer

what size for you prefer, what can you pay

[solemn shore]

I can afford to pay maximum 550 euros

[storm osprey]

holy hell

[supple bane]

m8

4k

24"

[storm osprey]

xD

[supple bane]

simple

[jade tangle]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-monitor-s2719hn/apd/210-aoxs/monitors-monitor-accessories

[steep gust]

The issue is that 27" 1080p is stretched

[storm osprey]

*has 580

[steep gust]

What GPU do you have?

[solemn shore]

but that amount seems too much

550€ is the most maximun

Mu gpu is Aorus gtx 1070 TI

I look an option of hp

[jade tangle]

dell is best

hp will just break again

[solemn shore]

Is Hp omen 32 VA pannel

I look these dell

[storm osprey]

1070 ti you can do 1440p

[steep gust]

uh

Dell and HP don't make monitors

They just label them

[jade tangle]

source?

[steep gust]

do you know what an OEM is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flat_panel_display_manufacturers

[storm osprey]

basically think of a gpu

[steep gust]

There are currently 7-8 companies making the physical display

[storm osprey]

asus, evga, gigabyte dont make the gpus, they just package them their specific ways and tweak shit

[steep gust]

They don't make the PCBs, or any parts

They buy them directly from a manufacturers, and assemble them

[latent light]

they put the pieces together

[steep gust]

Same applies to monitors

You could technically build a monitor

If you are willing to buy ~10000 displays or so

Since every OEM is gonna not respond if you aren't buying in massive bulk

[latent light]

do AIB partners manufacture the heatsink and shroud on GPUs?

[steep gust]

Maybe the shroud

The bigger companies might manufacture parts of the heatsink

but they aren't making heatpipes, etc

[latent light]

they might make the aluminum fins and blueprint the design of the whole heatsink

[grizzled apex]

That’s why I like the EVGA 1660 ti shroud. It’s overbuilt but it gets the job done under reasonable temps

[solemn shore]

This monitor is good to bfv?

https://www.pccomponentes.com/hp-omen-32-led-qhd-freesync

[latent light]

EVGA's designs of Turing cards look ugly'

disgustang

[prime jasper]

eh, Ive seen worse. that part faces down and the LEDS are on the side that faces out

ASUS looks worse imo

[solemn shore]

Guys Hp and dell is not recomiendes to Battlefield V?

[latent light]

monitors aren't exclusive to games

[solemn shore]

HP omen 32 VA panel is good?

[latent light]

32" 1080p?

[solemn shore]

Yes this monitor is 32 1080p 144hz

the problem is that I do not know what monitor to buy

[latent light]

32" is too big for a monitor tbh

if you sit at a desk and play

[solemn shore]

@latent light recomiendes 24 ir 27?

[latent light]

27"

also what graphics card do you have

[storm osprey]

27" 1440p imo

youre gpu can run it

[molten coral]

27'' is so small though

[solemn shore]

What monitors 27 inch 1440p recommended?

Yes @storm osprey my gpu is 1070 TI

[storm osprey]

do you mind TN?

you had IPS which has superior colors, but TN has a faster response time

VA is kinda the middle ground

[solemn shore]

@storm osprey gigabyte aorus ad27qd is good monitor?

[storm osprey]

just looking at reviews i wouldnt get it

and looking at that price you could probably get something cheaper that performs the same

[solemn shore]

Thank hoy @storm osprey the last hint the panel iwillbe 27 inch 1440p 60 hz or 144hz?

[grizzled apex]

Honestly just go for an acer monitor

Got mine cheap 24 inch 144hz 1080 p for under 200 usd

[molten bramble]

MSI's RGB LEDs on the 1660Ti are jank. I had to change up the flow in Dragon Center on everything so they didn't look bitmappy since they don't dim properly (I prefer the breathe setting on my setup). Meh.

[prime jasper]

Anyone here rocking a Ryzen 1800x, a GTX1060 6gb and 16gb ram having issues with Framrate in BFV?

[latent light]

@prime jasper single or dual channel ram

[prime jasper]

@latent light dual but says Quad in G.Skilll, its the Flare X 4x4

i have another friend who i having the same issues, its only in BFV that affects us

same FPS in low or Ultra running around 35-40 FPS

[latent light]

that's weird

did you try repairing game files

[prime jasper]

clearing all the cache and crap that EA recommends was going to be a last attempt we killed Win10 game mode, and removed the Origin in game overlay and removed DX12

all drivers up to date

find it veryweird

@latent light just sitting at the home screen i get 48 haha

dang, cannot send screen shots haha

[latent light]

if it only happens on BFV then it's probably corrupt game files

[prime jasper]

i just ran the repair, ther was no change

ill do the cache clearing that they recoemend, doubt that will help

have you tried going back to dx12? Ryzen seems to work better there

[prime jasper]

@prime jasper i will try that now

[steep gust]

@storm osprey response time is kinda meaningless

I would buy an IPS panel unless you are a hardcore competitive shooter, then go for a 240hz monitor

[storm osprey]

color accuracy is even more meaningless 🤷

unless of course you need it for something that actually benefits from it

[steep gust]

like playing games

Once you see a monitor with proper colors

Its hard to go back

[prime jasper]

Hey any BF3 players here?

I am getting a constant locked 30 fps

I have tried everything to remove it

Agree with predator, once you see good color's, you aint going back.

[steep gust]

Hell even looking at the cheap 4k TV i have

comparing to my monitor

or my OLED phone

[prime jasper]

Good 1080p > 95% 4k tv's and monitor's

[steep gust]

@prime jasper Your monitor is 60hz right?

[prime jasper]

144hz

[steep gust]

uh

Set to that in windows?

[prime jasper]

It is lol

[steep gust]

Check the settings ini

@prime jasper My monitor is the cheapest 1080p 144hz one at the time

The blacks are more of a dark grey

Which when you do have a OLED phone, is a hard transition

[prime jasper]

m

8

I will find you a deal

[steep gust]

I have no money

cus I buy dumb stuff

and my next upgrade is probably 3440x1440 120hz

[latent light]

PS5 developer kit with 32GB ram and 1.1 TB/s memory bandwidth

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-2-5ghz-12-core-4-3ghz-16-core-cpus-leaked-benchmarked/amp/

fact at this point

5 GHz single core

jk, more like 6 GHz

very much btw

[steep gust]

yeah 5ghz zen 2 isn't happening

exactly zero generations ever have had 800mhz gains

[latent light]

it could

[steep gust]

Most node shrinks

Have freq drops

see Intel 14nm

[latent light]

Intel and TSMC aren't the same

can't really be compared

when 2nd gen Ryzen went to 12nm, they saw 200 MHz gains

[steep gust]

TSMC does generally make sure its nodes are finished before selling them

because its product is the manufacturing

[latent light]

was 6th gen the first 14nm for Intel?

most 4790K could only do 4.8 GHz

[steep gust]

uh

I think it was Broadwell

[latent light]

6700K could do 4.8 GHz as well

[steep gust]

so whatever gen that was

So the 4790k, and then the 5960x for HEDT

[latent light]

my brother bought a 6-core i7-6850K for $600 in 2016, first gen Ryzen came out just months later and had an 8-core just for $300

my brother said he never felt buyer's remorse like that before

[steep gust]

The average 4790k on hwbot for air is 4.6ghz

[latent light]

he sold that 6850K for $200 on facebook a few months ago and bought a 8700K from his friend for $200

[steep gust]

Water 4.8ghz

[latent light]

it overclocks to 5.2 GHz

[steep gust]

My 8600k can do 5.4ghz

Its just not daily stable

or reasonable to cool

[latent light]

disabling HT helps with overclocking a 8700K

he hasn't tried that

then again, he's got a Mini-ITX build with a 240mm rad

by Mini-ITX I mean truely Mini-ITX

this PC is shorter than my forearm

[steep gust]

yes it does

I kinda want to go super itx

with a like dan a4

or similar

but also kinda want a custom loop in a define S2

[latent light]

my brother knows a lot of people that he can buy used parts from

he never buys new

well, only thing that isn't used in his PC is the 2080 Ti

[lofty light]

I always buy new

And then sell second hand

[steep gust]

Some companies have good warranties even for used hardware

Also older generation stuff is required to be used

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[latent light]

why do people send back a defective graphics card only to have another one return defective

[steep gust]

Because they don't send you new cards

Unless something really insane happened

[latent light]

not even retailers?

[steep gust]

Maybe retailers

but that is an RMA

[prime jasper]

Fps is still locked at 30

ffs

[latent light]

[steep gust]

rumors are pretty flawed

Also the 1950x is threadripper not Ryzen

[latent light]

is the 7960X even the best 16-core CPU currently

[steep gust]

7960X boosts to 3.6ghz under full load

[latent light]

hopefully that's 3.6 all core

[steep gust]

So 25% increase in clocks

3.6 with 16c ye

25% increase in clocks would be a 25% increase in score, not 30%+

So their testing is flawed

and a 7960X needs a delid and a custom loop to cool that at 4.8ghz, considering that will be 400w+

[latent light]

just get a noctua d15

[steep gust]

yes heatpipes certainly don't shit themselves above 250w or so

[latent light]

noctua should make a new heatsink with double the amount of fins as the D15

[steep gust]

The heatpipes get so hot that it can't work properly

[latent light]

and more heatpipes

[steep gust]

more fins don't help

Since thermal transfer happens near the heatpipes

[latent light]

that 4.8 GHz score on that pic is accurate

https://hwbot.org/submission/3868697_matt26lfc_cinebench___r15_core_i9_7960x_4288_cb

[steep gust]

so its a stolen score

[latent light]

possibily

[steep gust]

MaxMem B-Die to 3600 14-14-14-32

and a gt610

[latent light]

thicc

[steep gust]

They didn't do that benchmark

How to be a shitty af site

[latent light]

CL14 with 3600 is juicy

[steep gust]

CL14 @ 3600 is weak for b-die

[latent light]

[steep gust]

B-Die bench volts is like 4266 CL12

but that is looking at like 2.1v vdimm

so really not safe long term

[latent light]

how long could you idle with that

[steep gust]

idle?

probably awhile

[latent light]

[steep gust]

no one tests how fast B-die dies

current kills

so idle is a low current draw

since you also MaxMem to 2GB or so

and strip your windows install

[latent light]

https://hwbot.org/submission/3639304_splave_cinebench___r15_core_i9_7960x_5149_cb

5737 MHz

all core

[steep gust]

LN2 is fun

oh Splave

[latent light]

would you buy 3rd gen Ryzen if it could clock to 5 GHz?

or would you wait longer

[steep gust]

I might buy third gen ryzen anyways

Depends on how it compares to Intel's next offering

[latent light]

my 4+3 phase should handle a 6 core

maybe 8 core

well, I've seen videos of the 1800X running fine on A320 motherboards at boost clock

and it was a board that didn't have VRM cooling

[steep gust]

A320 won't support Zen 2

Most likely

[latent light]

I know

B350 and up

motherboard companies don't want consumers sitting on the same motherboards for 4 generations

[steep gust]

its more of

AMD doesn't want VRMs exploding

Also AM4 is getting replaced in 2020

[latent light]

A320 only has 4+2 phases anyway

and that's as good as it gets

AM4+

maybe DDR5

[steep gust]

Probably quad channel

which requires a lot more pins

[latent light]

if DDR5 is going to get the same pin count as DDR4, shouldn't they be compatible?

how did motherboards have DDR2 and DDR3 compatibility

DDR2 had 240 pins and so did DDR3

[steep gust]

The chipset supported both

not the motherboard

DDR5 will be shaped differently to not fit into the same socket

and due to way more bandwidth on DDR5, will need more pins

[latent light]

damn

[prime jasper]

@latent light For almost a week I was on 2.1v on dimm's and nothing died.

1920x quad channel at 3866 cl12 with subtimings really cut

That's b die

[latent light]

wait

1920X doing 3866

[latent light]

when you overcook the GPU

[lime pollen]

charred

just the way I like it

[lofty light]

Should be fine, just wash it off with some soapy water

[fiery arch]

sub

[turbid verge]

kind question

and @ me please with the answer.

a 9700k uses a 1511 or a 1511 v2?

afaik the intel site informs as "Sockets Supported FCLGA1151"

[lofty light]

V2

@turbid verge

[turbid verge]

Thank you @lofty light was on the doubt since some sites say a thing and the official intel one says LGA1511 :p

[lofty light]

Yeah technically it is the same socket but Intel did some fun changes and moved some of the pin outs from memory

[jade tangle]

ill get a lenovo e495 for my laptop now

with ryzen 3700U

[lilac grove]

Anyone get Battlefield 5 trial in the update queue while updating this time? I have the full version

on the PC

[grizzled apex]

3700U? Uh, I’m pretty sure that hasn’t come out yet

[prime jasper]

it has

hot and fresh out the oven

well better than the previous generation yes lol its on zen+ now

[prime jasper]

Anyone help?

My FPS Is stuck on 30 on BF3

[steep gust]

@prime jasper Didn't the IMC shit itself?

3700u is not zen 2 IIRC

[prime jasper]

@steep gust correct, its zen+

the apus are one gen behind

[brazen spindle]

does anyone have fps drops with new patch?

[prime jasper]

I havent tried todays patch yet

[brazen spindle]

it`s worse 4 me 😦

[storm osprey]

sounds like normal bfv patches

[prime jasper]

reboot, try again? lol

[split storm]

People have been saying to delete your config file

They say it gets better

But yeah, dice sucks

[brazen spindle]

@split storm what config file?

[split storm]

BFVs config file

[prime jasper]

@steep gust imc slightly degraded

Slightly

I was pushing 1.7v on vcore and 1.6v on soc experiments to get 4133 to boot again

@latent light yee my 1920x can do 4000mhz cl14 ram, cl16 proof

Booted twice 4133mhz

[latent light]

is the X399 chipset that good

[prime jasper]

I had fun with it

[latent light]

sucks that there isn't a X499 or X599 ever coming

[prime jasper]

I wish I could post photos of proof

But the admins I guess gives 0 fucks

[latent light]

lol if X499 did exist, you could probably get it to 4600 MHz

[prime jasper]

Doubt, the chip hated being past 3866

[latent light]

yeah 300 series boards were memory limited due to the 1st gen CPUs and the motherboard itself

I think you can put a 2nd gen CPU on a 300 series board and get higher memory clocks

[sacred walrus]

Fx6300

[storm osprey]

WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THAT

[prime jasper]

lmoa

[latent light]

Fx-6300 was ok for pre-2013 games

[molten bramble]

@pallid silo If you want to self-promote, please do so in the appropriate channel: #streams-and-videos

[latent light]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/geforce-something-super

[pallid silo]

@molten bramble it wasnt self promo showing people what x264 medium is like

[sacred walrus]

@storm osprey its a good cpu

[prime jasper]

but why do you keep posting it

[steep gust]

Just upgrading to 16Gbps GDDR6 will not fix bad prices

[latent light]

Turing refresh will be ok if it's 10-15% performance increase for the same prices

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yCtu0XRul4

yeet

where can you find GPU dies though

[lofty light]

I guess from people who rip them off other cards

That looks like a buildzoid level swap though

[little apex]

My performance dipped as well

on Vega 64 and 8700K

Man they just want to kill off the game i feel like

[split storm]

Everyones did

It's borderline unplayable for me now

[grizzled apex]

The latest patch? I haven’t tried it but I’ll try it out today

I usually get 120 FPS on Medium

[split storm]

last patch I was already struggling on low with a RX480 and an I7 4770

both are not maxed out on task manager

now it's stutters galore

[prime jasper]

try a cold start

[split storm]

Redownloading BF5?

People have tried that and they say it hasn't helped, I tried deleting the config folder but that didn't help either

[jade tangle]

i have a 6700k and an rx480 i dont notice anything

still same fps

[split storm]

Good for you

[grizzled apex]

What about deleting the shader cache dump

[pallid silo]

what cpu would get me more fps in battlefield? 😃 (currently ryzen 5 2600 at 4.0ghz)

[prime jasper]

@pallid silo just wait for the zen 2 announcement

[pallid silo]

true!! 😃 you have any idea how soon that might be? 😛 @prime jasper

just put together of stuff that I can sell: gtx 1070 200

gtx 1080 300

gtx 1060 100

b450 tomahawk 50

b350 tomahawk 50

artic esports 33 one 15

16gb ram 70

750w psu 60

i7 6700 160

msi z170a sli plus 60

does this seem like okay pricing?

[prime jasper]

why do you have so many cards and amd mobos?

[pallid silo]

im selling my dedicated streaming pc 😃 and i used to play GTA 5 in 4k so needed SLI

[prime jasper]

https://www.amd.com/en/events/computex

probably announcing Zen 2 there

[pallid silo]

oooh!!! :))) so maybe in june time we can buy them

as ill be getting a new motherboard when ryzen 3rd gen comes out (ill need to reinstall windows) how do i put all my games and evreything back onto the system and evreything 😃

will i need to redownload anything

[prime jasper]

why would you need a new mobo?

[pallid silo]

gonna be getting the highest ryzen

[prime jasper]

youre assuming your current one wont be able to handle it

[pallid silo]

yeah! 😛 i tried a 2600 before in a b350 micro atx asrock ab350m and it crashed when ever loaded up gpu/ cpu intensive game

[prime jasper]

because its a piece of shit board

b450 and above are whats needed

[pallid silo]

ohhh okay!! 😛 itt diddnt seem that bad for my old ryzen 5 1600 😃

so dunno why 2600 couldnt 😛

[prime jasper]

cheaper boards = worse VRMS anyway

a bios update will allow your board to support the new CPUs

its already been released

[pallid silo]

the as rock one diddnt work witht he bios update xd

[prime jasper]

because ass rock sucks ass

[pallid silo]

oh xD whats your cpu/mobo

[prime jasper]

2700x with Asus C7H

[pallid silo]

this mobo has beefy VRMS wow xD https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vJkAAOSwan5c5Bn3/s-l1600.jpg

[prime jasper]

thats a nice one

[pallid silo]

ahh okay!! 😃 is the 2700x good compared to 1700

[prime jasper]

certainly better in every aspect, but it remains to be seen how much better Zen 2 is

[pallid silo]

ahh okay fair enough! :DD ive seen leaks for 16 cored ryzens

"That 16-core Ryzen 3000 chip gives the much more expensive Intel Core i9-7960X a run for its money, scoring 4,278 points to the 3,163 that Intel's chip gets. In fact, the only way the 7960X comes close is when it's overclocked to 4.8GHz. "

[prime jasper]

assuming the leak is correct

soon enough...

[pallid silo]

true!! 😛

[latent light]

@pallid silo 3rd gen Ryzen announcement in 3 days

It starts at 27th May at 10AM Taipei time

Which is May 26th at 10PM if you live in New York

Or May 26th 7PM if you're in California

[little apex]

4am for me yessss

[supple bane]

im starting to get very concerned, people say that bf uses like 10 gb of ram, mine is using 3...

and i fear that it is limiting my performance

[prime jasper]

how much it uses depends on several factors. if you feel your performance is fine dont worry about it

[supple bane]

im getting into the 30 fps

[prime jasper]

on what system?

[supple bane]

my whole specs:
windows 10 64xbit
asus h110m-k
16gb 2133 mhz ram
10603g
i5 7400

[stuck nymph]

I'm getting fps drops from 144fps down to 60 since yesterday's update

[prime jasper]

make sure vsync didnt get kicked on

[supple bane]

im going to run my game in windowed and have task manager open and see what happens with the ram usage

ye just sticks at 3gb

[prime jasper]

and in full screen?

[supple bane]

cant tell

i dont have a 3rd party program that gives me ram usage

[prime jasper]

if you have a second monitor use task manager on it

[supple bane]

oh i do have a second monitor

i will have to get it tomorrow, its in the attic

and like if i look at forums people are concerned about there ram not going above 8 gb

like m8, mine is capped at 3

[jade tangle]

its weird

why is your ram capped at the vram of your gpu

[supple bane]

dunno

like when i play ark it does to a sweet 11 gb

so i have no idea why it is stuck at 3

[jade tangle]

did you try default graphic settings already?

[supple bane]

ye i have tried raising the settings

i play on the lowest settings so at first i thought that it might be that

[jade tangle]

do you have gpu memory restriction on or off

[supple bane]

i dont know, but i mean ram not vram

[young karma]

i have bleutooth headphones, but every time I join a game it cuts out all the sound (This isn't the only game where this happens to, also in GTA V) it's kinda annoying because I can't be in a voice call like this. Does anyone know a fix for this?

[lavish pilot]

My current system: r9 390/8GB GGDR4, I5 6600K OC at 4.7 GHZ, 16 GB RAM.
At the moment getting FPS stuttering on BF5 even on all medium/low settings at 1080p.
I wonder - if I wanted to play BF5 on all medium/smooth 60 FPS, what should I upgrade first - GPU or CPU?

[steep gust]

Both kinda need an upgrade

I would go with a CPU most likely, but watch your usage in games

[storm osprey]

for just bfv, yea both are equal terms of upgrading, but outside of bfv a gpu upgrade would benefit a lot more

[lavish pilot]

Don't really play a lot of games these days so I really don't want to spend a lot of money. I think GPU is still somewhat decent, slightly slower than RX 580.

[storm osprey]

both are decent, just bfv isnt great with decent stuff

optimization just seems to get worse and worse too

[lavish pilot]

Been waiting for the new Zen 7NM CPUs.

[storm osprey]

thats what im doing

i have a 4790

[lavish pilot]

With my current motherboard the best I could upgrade to would be 7700K. STill only 4 cores.

[storm osprey]

thats why i would do gpu upgrade

yea but its 4c8t

[lavish pilot]

Ryzen 3700 will be supposedly 12 cores 24 threads and for 350$. I think it's worth waiting for.

[storm osprey]

if you plan on upgrading cpu than i would just get a gpu now

all depends what you are doing/wanting

[lavish pilot]

BF4 at the moment is the only game I really play on my PC. I tried BF5 trial, all settings, and still was getting stuttering.

[steep gust]

Zen 2 leaks are to be ignored

[pallid silo]

@steep gust why

[storm osprey]

any leak is to be ignored

[steep gust]

because they are leaks

and generally entirely bullshit

[latent light]

I will bust a 💦

my B350 can't even overclock to 3200 though

[prime jasper]

fell for the b350 meme

[latent light]

lots of X370 boards couldn't do 3200 either

unless fed a lot of voltage that wouldn't be used for daily usage

[prime jasper]

well now you can get a sweet b550/x570 meme soon

[latent light]

I'll just stick to my 3000 mhz ram

it's plenty

15-15-15-35 timings at 3000 MHz is good

[steep gust]

@latent light Its not even allegedly

Zen 2 will support the 3200 JEDEC bin

so like 21-21-21 but still 3200

[latent light]

Zen 2 will have greater memory support than Zen+

[steep gust]

Now will it do 4400?

no

[latent light]

it's still a possibility

[steep gust]

That would be a ~800mhz jain

in one generation

My motherboard supports up to like 4800, but sure can't

So if that is how they got their info, then its really flawed

Hell my motherboard has multipliers up to 6300 or something like that

[violet plank]

i highly doubt you can buy any zen2 before late fall

[storm osprey]

why not?

[violet plank]

cause official rel date is Q3

[prime jasper]

source?

[violet plank]

google it

[prime jasper]

quality shitpost

Ill wait till computex

[storm osprey]

last i hear official was summer

which drops into q3

[prime jasper]

q3 starts very soon...

[violet plank]

is it really that hard to google ?

[storm osprey]

at work, couple links i clicked didnt say anything about fall

[violet plank]

Q3

i don't expect any availability at the start

neither amd or intel has done anything but paper launches

it was told on the shareholder meeting that the Q3 target is still on it's way

first thing i wanna see is those new 570 chipsets working properly,and hopefully some without an active chipset cooling

[steep gust]

X570 will probably have active cooling

on every board

[violet plank]

yes cause amd demands it for now

[steep gust]

because the chipset would overheat

[violet plank]

i do hope later designs go for passive cooling

[steep gust]

Its not because "AMD demands it" its to protect the chipset

PCIe 4.0 is doubling the bandwidth, which means a lot more data through the chipset

[violet plank]

amd forced the aib to use an active cooling

for now at least

[steep gust]

for a reason

[violet plank]

15W power draw of the chip

[steep gust]

15W with no airflow very quickly can get warm

[violet plank]

yeah

[steep gust]

and anyways

AMD hasn't released much on specs

[violet plank]

but those tiny fans are so noisy

and tend to break a lot

especially if you don't clean your rig

or smoke or whatever

i'm actually thinking to go for a 470 board,i don't really need pcie 4.0 at all

worthless for gaming

unless you wanna use cf or sli stuff

for nvme ssds it benefits ony if in raid

[steep gust]

until PCIe 4.0 SSDs come out

[latent light]

@violet plank you do know that TSMC 7nm chiplet yields are over 70% successful

I highly doubt that there will be supply issues

also a small fan is better than having a big heatsink on the chipset

I doubt the fan is needed unless you are using NVMe raid

[violet plank]

70% ? no didn't knew that one,nice.question remains if they can supply the demand,guess we will see

seems like everyone is waiting to upgrade 😛

[latent light]

the only possibility of low supply would be if they were making mobile chips but Ryzen 7nm mobile comes out next year which gives them a lot of time

[violet plank]

or trump calls a boycott on TSMC for some reasons lul

[steep gust]

uh

Lets avoid politics, but that won't happen

[latent light]

[steep gust]

How to kill your biggest industry 101

[violet plank]

yeah,not really worth the time

[latent light]

TSMC makes A LOT of chips

[violet plank]

why intel cries in 14nm chips

[latent light]

hell, TSMC even made chips for Intel at some point

https://www.pcmag.com/news/365581/tsmc-to-spend-19-5b-building-3nm-chip-factory

3nm may be the smallest we can achieve

[violet plank]

a 570 board with a full waterblock like that from gigabyte? would be nice

[steep gust]

ew no

that block looks like ass

and doesn't cost $500 to make

[violet plank]

not about the looks,but it's a solid build

[latent light]

I'm fine with a chipset fan

probably won't be high RPM anyway

[violet plank]

and covers everything

[steep gust]

Its also not that good

bad block

Z390 chipset draws exactly 6w

[violet plank]

i do really wonder how they are gonna handle leakage currents with 5 and 3 nm

[steep gust]

you can cool 6w with no heatsink

5nm and 3nm have nothing to do with transistor size

so probably the exact same way they do before

[latent light]

5nm EUV is to be 80% more dense than 7nm

[violet plank]

the gates are so thing,like only some atoms wide

thin

[latent light]

hydrogen atom is 0.2nm

[violet plank]

i hope they don't use hydrogen atoms

[latent light]

CPUs in the future will be nuclear

[latent light]

1 day and 21 hours until AMD announcement

[storm osprey]

ooo i didnt know there was anything

[prime jasper]

Sunday funday!

[supple bane]

i think im pushing it now with my gpu... 300mghz oc on core and 600 on memory, still isnt crashing tho

im at 2.15 ghz now on core lol

[dense drift]

My update is stuck on finalizing, anyone know how i can fix this?

[supple bane]

yes, be patient

it takes a while

[dense drift]

problem is its been a while, quite a bit more than that

[supple bane]

how long exactly ?

[dense drift]

where i am its 8:58 PM, it started finalizing around 6:30 PM

[jade tangle]

if i were you i would panic and reset my pc

[prime jasper]

at the risk of downloading the whole damn game

could try opting in for beta in origin

that sometimes works

[dense drift]

i will try that

[prime jasper]

origin needs a button to purge cache, like seriously

just close and restart origin, but im warning you there is some risk

I am a little dubious of what official support will recommend that you do, last time I had that issue they advised me to reinstall the game

after a few hours of trying various things on the answers website I got it to work

!support

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[prime jasper]

folow the links from there to answers

[dense drift]

will do, thanks so much!

[prime jasper]

welcome

[dense drift]

i new to BfV so i don't know much about it

[prime jasper]

its a bit of a learning curve, but welcome

[supple bane]

reeeeeee im trying to run userbenchmark, and it fails everytime it gets to the gpu.

i had an oc on it at first and i thunked it might have been unstable on that oc, but after removing it, it is still just doing the same thing

[latent light]

https://www.pcgamer.com/asus-teases-several-new-motherboards-ahead-of-amds-zen-2-cpu-launch/?utm_content=buffer51421&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb&fbclid=IwAR2G5IdqoovQWdLKJUuXY2A76Ge9xHjSCBFSxYmj0fCdWNt7uFugAHKdTe4

[steep gust]

ugly

Asus please go back to the older maximus style boards

Although that looks like a Formula block

[latent light]

[supple bane]

white and blue for me

[latent light]

white and cyan

the only company that makes a white radiator now is DeepCool

well I think corsair makes one too