thats a sentence inside of itself xD
#technology
grizzled apex
supple bane
ye, it was one of the reasons my pc was so cheap
minor turret
strix x470-f has 7 4 pin fan headers (when including cpu/pumps) and I still lacked one fan header ><
4 on radiator, 4 in case
prime jasper
oof, yeah you would need for a c7h for a setup like that
minor turret
nah fan hub in case or cable splitters for identical fans works too
minor turret
well does your closest neighbour have fiber?
latent light
no
minor turret
pretty common then
digging 10 meters costs like 2000 euro where i live
to set cable
pale wren
WTF?
still better than Germany , our parliament said they will make sure get better Internet in Germany , since 2016 till now nothing happned
latent light
they set cables here with a machine that basically presses it into the ground
minor turret
the exception being that if they do like 20 houses then it becomes a lot cheaper
pale wren
and now they Adding Upload-Filter , Germany i'm saluting all of u
grizzled apex
Oh please. Every part of my town but mine has fiber optic cables, and it’s 2019
Yeah. Every neighborhood but mine
steep gust
Some of the big companies here have fiber
grizzled apex
Yet not even a mile down the road there exists
I have Xfinity
Sort of BS though
Because our rates have increased from 20$ a month to 200$ per month when there have been no improvements
And they told US to go out and buy a modem because they are too cheap to even offer us one
latent light
I got CenturyLink, $60 a month for 3 mbps download and 0.5 mbps upload
prime jasper
yeah welcome to the party lol
amber veldt
does every crash count as a loss btw?
prime jasper
lel still happens even bone stock. oh well such is life in battlefeels
molten bramble
I'm floating over 900/900mbps for about $110 a month.
pale wren
me too m8 but for 90€
molten bramble
I'd have figured other providers would have brought their costs down in the US since they can't compete with fiber, but it's probably a market saturation issue.
latent light
it's because centurylink is the only provider in my area lol
steep gust
Monopolies
latent light
there's also satellite internet but that's limited and has high latency
pale wren
@latent light never use that
once we went on See-trip , and my friend used satellite internet he had to pay about 5000€ xD
steep gust
When I think of tech companies i don't think of Intel, Nvidia, and AMD
latent light
they are turning away from the gaming market and diving into data mining
steep gust
nah data center
latent light
they paid $7 billion though, that's a huge chunk out of their worth lol
a bit risky imo
steep gust
It was in cash
not stock
the value of a company is literally just stock amount * stock price 
supple bane
I just saw a vid that said the frost bite engine is falling behind and is soon going to be limiting bfv and future games
I’m extremely tired tho so I don’t ask me if I remembered hearing that information right
latent light
^
frostbite was the first engine to implement dynamic destructible environments
in a game
frostbite 3 in BF4 was the biggest upgrade the engine has seen
violet plank
id tech 7
latent light
Datacenter is getting much bigger for Nvidia and will surpass their gaming revenue in a few years
I can see Nvidia putting more R&D into datacenter than gaming by next year tbh
grizzled apex
frostbite 3 engine reengineered the whole concept of a battlefield if you think about it. we went from maps like caspian in battlefield 3 which had a single cool thing happen to the map to having all 12 base maps have something cool (except locker and golmud which were mostly static) happen to the match that made the game unique
latent light
operation locker had the guard tower collapse
that's all though
oh and the gas pipeline in that long hallway but that's not really a big thing
grizzled apex
still, to think that happened in the span of a 2 YEARS? thats pretty impressive
considering what call of duty could pull out in a year (cough, ghost, chough)
latent light
ghost sold so well though
I think it's their 3rd most sold game, behind black ops and mw2
wait nvm, mw3 is their most sold game i think
grizzled apex
and considering mw3s campaign did pretty ok, thats not too bad considering 2012 was the year that gaming got really popular
still shocked gta is the top 3rd best selling game of 2019
gta 5
prime jasper
guys I need someones opinion on which mouse I should get
logitech g403
or the glorious odin
steep gust
g502
@grizzled apex yeah but most of the stuff subtracted from the maps tbh
Like once the tower fell on Shanghai the map was shit
grizzled apex
G502 is much more ergonomic. Especially with the free scroll thing
coarse nimbus
Levolution! but....everyone just tried to destroy the tower asap anyways
latent light
@steep gust AMD's best hope of gaining market share is releasing a disruptive technology such as APUs that can replace mid-range dedicated GPUs and run all the newest games. This would be a big deal in countries where people don't have a lot of money to spend on PC hardware
minor turret
If its good enough asia will launch these APUs soldered onto a mobo with ram and everything
and ship em for 300 usd
latent light
for example, a gaming box with a Ryzen APU with around RX 560/gtx 1050 performance that can run a lot of popular titles
and sell it at console price
minor turret
they already do it but it hasnt hit critical mass
and is expensive as fuck atm
mainly for SFF enthusiasts
latent light
Ryzen 5 2400G performance isn't really good enough
most people that own that APU use it for a couple months before upgrading to a dedicated GPU
what AMD should do is invest more R&D into APUs that run run all games at 1080p 60 fps
steep gust
Zen 2 APUs should be pretty strong
latent light
not a huge difference but a decent jump
I think the 2400G gets close to RX 550 performance
if they can do RX 560 performance, then it will be popular
steep gust
AMD will never compete with Intel in high end
They know this
Its exactly why all their mainstream CPUs are cheap compared to Intel
latent light
more like Nvidia, they've already competed against Core i7 and i9 and got a huge chunk of market share
they have more problems competing with Nvidia
prime jasper
yeah threadripper really caught intel with their pants down...the sheer panic of throwing together a 28 core 5ghz monstrosity that needed an industrial chiller was next level cope
minor turret
APUs will always suck using DDR4
steep gust
and the 3175X is so Intel can claim they have the "fastest consumer CPU"
That isn't sold to consumers
latent light
yes that's why improving memory support on Ryzen is key
minor turret
and how the hell do you get enough memory on a tiny AM4 die?
prime jasper
nothing is without its issues. its the price to performance is king with the consumer market
minor turret
HMB2 takes up a lot of space
steep gust
not really compared to GDDR5 or DDR4
latent light
HBM2 is literally two small logic dies with 4x1GB stacks
while GDDR5 and GDDR6 are seperate modules that take up a lot of room on the PCB
minor turret
SK Hynix’s HBM1 package has dimensions of 5.48 mm × 7.29 mm (39.94 mm2)
latent light
I wonder why 2GB and 6GB DDR4 sticks don't exist lol
minor turret
thats a lot of space on a die
HBM2 chip will have dimensions of 7.75 mm × 11.87 mm (91.99 mm2
for comparison 2700x die size without any integrated graphics is 213 mm²
steep gust
@latent light because of the way DDR4 is done
latent light
AMD produces lower volume of GPUs since they know they won't be bought as much as Nvidia ones, mining doesn't change that since it's not consistent at all. Nvidia increased production of GTX 1000 series due to mining and then they were left with over 1 million Pascal GPUs when mining all of a sudden died and their stock prices fell another 20% back in mid 2018.
steep gust
AMD produces a lot more GPUs for mining 🤔
and NVidia didn't say how many GPUs they had left over from mining
but it sure wasn't one million
latent light
Datacenter is gaining a lot of revenue for Nvidia, will surpass their gaming revenue soon
that doesn't mean they will put more focus into datacenter than gaming though
steep gust
yeah they will
latent light
looks like they are using datacenter as a future
prime jasper
and now intel threw its hat into the ring for gpus come 2020 apparently
steep gust
14nm Intel can't do low power consumption
to the level of phones
and x86 won't really work on phones
latent light
Intel has the money to defeat Nvidia and AMD in GPU development, they just don't have the leadership in that department yet
latent light
they have snatched up some of Radeon's key engineers
and leaders
but not enough
but they could easily become relevant in the GPU market
no one makes chips more dense than Intel
uneven bluff
are you serious
Intel 10nm totally failed
while the others are on 7nm already
Intel fail on dense
steep gust
what
You do realize that 10nm and 7nm mean nothing on actually transistor size, etc?
and that Intel 10nm will be better than TSMC 7nm
minor turret
thats not a given considering that there are rumours of features being cut
to get it ready for holidays 2019/2020
steep gust
What would they cut?
uneven bluff
@steep gust you have a source for that?
Intel already said their 10nm is 15% less dense than Samsung/TSMC 7nm
steep gust
density is not the only thing that matters
and Samsung makes memory not CPUs
from going off the actual information related to CPUs that is well above my knowledge level, Intel 10nm is better than TSMC 7nm
but there is a lot more variables than just the spec sheet
latent light
The Intel 10nm process is comparable to the 7nm variants of pure-play foundries
grizzled apex
honestly though, smaller isnt always better
latent light
TSMC 7nm will have low power consumption than Intel 10nm, but the performance will be about the same
grizzled apex
i mean i like the concept but sometimes the older stuff is better than the neewer stuff
latent light
3nm will probably be the lowest any semi-conductor will go
grizzled apex
im still using an i7 4790k in my computer and it still kicks major ass
latent light
after that, chips will need to be made by a whole different technology and materials
steep gust
and just because it has "7nm" in its name doesn't make it any smaller than intel 10nm
14nm, 10nm, 12nm, etc mean nothing to the actual cpu
and it hasn't for generations
latent light
source
prime jasper
7nm chip that amd bought (amd did not make this chip on any level) will get creamed by 10nm intel
The company that made the 7nm
is a cell phone chip maker
latent light
TSMC also makes Nvidia GPUs btw
prime jasper
that sure is some big talk psycho, I certainly hope you can put your money where your mouth is
steep gust
tsmc makes a lot of stuff
latent light
^
prime jasper
Source is su her self when doing that cinebench run @latent light
steep gust
that cinebench run meant nothing
latent light
it was an i9-9900K vs a 7nm 8-core CPU that was in it's prototype phase
latent light
also, it was shown beating the 9900K by <1% while consuming a lot less power
prime jasper
it was an ES so it wasnt overclocked either
I'd hope so since 7nm is 4 times smaller
Also that 9900k wasn't overclocked aswell
so apples 2 apples
yes, and it was soundly beaten as grimace pointed out
before you say "no it was not" it was running at a very modest guess of 4.4
since the artchture is VERY similar to gen 2
steep gust
Engineering samples are useless anyways
prime jasper
Core to core, it won't be massive as they already explained but clocks will be much higher now more volts can be moved in
latent light
I mean, the 9900K on the cinebench run was at 179 watts, which is the average for it when going turbo speed
prime jasper
and the 3800 was doing 134 watts
not to far off
pretty bad tho
seeing how it's on a much smaller chip
4 times smaller to be exact
Don't think im bashing, im getting the new 3850x or gen 3 TR
Without a doubt
Just... 14nm intel is holding up just fine vs 7nm
Just imagine 10
latent light
In ISSCC 2017, the memory group at TSMC detailed their test 256 Mib SRAM chip which featured a 42.64 mm² die. The chip is manufactured on TSMC's 7nm HK-MG FinFET process using SAQP. The over die is 0.34x the size of their 16 nm process version. TSMC's 7nm process density is 1.6X compared to their 10nm process. Minimum metal pitch is 40 nm, as reported at IEDM 2016. TSMC claims their 7nm process will deliver a 20% performance improvement and a 40% reduction in power consumption
prime jasper
10nm will be eons more impressive since it's holding hell alot more transistors
grizzled apex
though considering if you overvolt the 3800, you could probably expect even better or simliar performance
prime jasper
3800 will overvolt like a madman
compared to 1,2 gen
Now since amd isn't on fucking server grade 12nm
low power
@latent light 10nm there process
latent light
I wonder if Ryzen 9 is true
prime jasper
whole different ball game
So what you link only showed there 10nm vs THERE 7nm
Don't think smaller = better.
latent light
Intel's node technology has always been ahead of TSMC, Samsung, or GlobalFoundries — a 14nm chip from Intel is roughly equivalent to a 10nm CPU from one of these companies. Intel's current yields at 10nm are low and the cost curve isn't good.
prime jasper
That makes sense
yeah
10nm is way to hot
its a fucking fast bitch
in way to small
grizzled apex
That’s true. It’s a high risk, high reward factor
prime jasper
Intel ATM is actually considering to legit sell or recommend chillers for there bigger core 10nm Xeons
grizzled apex
Like I said, smaller isn’t always better
steep gust
yeah well that makes no sense
servers go off watts / performance
chillers are not very efficient
prime jasper
Well what other choice do they have predator?
We are at the end
of the road
legit
grizzled apex
🤓
steep gust
Quit adding more cores just to add more cores
steep gust
Intel and AMD have been in a core count race
grizzled apex
Sounds like adding more ram to ram
latent light
we will reach the smallest lithography possible in 2025
prime jasper
@latent light it's not that, what he's trying to say, power vs $
grizzled apex
Intel released a 20 core 40 thread cpu a while back
steep gust
Intel has a 28c 56t cpu
latent light
Intel's 10nm yields are small and costly
grizzled apex
I was about to say 28 core
prime jasper
Meaning what takes to cool the 10nm chip will cost tons more in power
latent light
AMD's Epyc CPU with 64 cores and 128 threads comes out before summer
grizzled apex
Still, imagine a 14 core, 28t processor in a 10nm factor, that’s a huge risk
grizzled apex
I agree
grizzled apex
Breaking news, all i3s are now tri core, 6t processors
latent light
Xbox 360 had a 3 core cpu
steep gust
I feel like odd core counts haven't happened for a reason
prime jasper
Supposedly 1 cpu was a tri core
the phenom x3 or whateveR?
idk, just remember hearing about it
latent light
PS5 spec leaks are just memes
steep gust
Zen 2 leaks are memes
steep gust
still haven't seen any cinebench memes which means people haven't realized your results are literally just a .txt file
grizzled apex
Consoles are console though, what do you expect
latent light
PS5 with a Zen 2 8-core/16 thread CPU at 3.2 GHz and a 14 teraflop GPU with 20GB of GDDR6
prime jasper
@steep gust What you trying to say?
latent light
Cinebench R20 lets you change the name of your benchmark
grizzled apex
Or what about a intel APU line with 14 cores,
latent light
APU with 14 cores wtf
latent light
AMD should invest more into APU development, one with mid-range GPU performance would be killer
latent light
doubt
grizzled apex
That will be the day I start to cry
latent light
RX 560 at best
grizzled apex
Probably be 4gb rx 480 just to troll us
latent light
what holds back current APUs is DDR4
grizzled apex
Yeah, true
grizzled apex
Still waiting for DDR5 ram though
prime jasper
Well... why would someone do that? 
grizzled apex
DDR5 ram is gonna be the year that computers change
prime jasper
Did AMD gone full 
latent light
DDR5 won't be faster than high-end DDR4 for the first year
grizzled apex
AMD shares are doing ok for the most part
prime jasper
Hell, yeah our ddr4 brudda's will be at the 4 front fending off the high lantecy ddr5 lords
grizzled apex
^^^
latent light
and the person that made this one fucked up because it says 12c/24t but says Eight-Core processor lmao
grizzled apex
😂😂😂
prime jasper
Lel someone's 1920x got discovered
latent light
Ryzen doesn't need higher core counts
they have enough already
all AMD should focus on for 3rd gen is IPC, memory support and clock speeds
grizzled apex
If AMD focused on processing power over cores, they might be decent competition for intel
steep gust
wait till like 2021-22
and then like 2023 for it to not suck ass
we still are not at the limits of ddr4 yet
latent light
4600 MHz 19-26-26-46
or
3400 MHz 16-18-18-38
we are pretty close to the limits of DDR4
steep gust
considering that every generation (on Intel) is pushing a better IMC with better boards
and you can see that when you are actually overclocking RAM
molten bramble
I’d like to meet the asshole who decided to use such silly standoff screws on this m.2 bracket.
Can’t remove it, going to have to go to the store tomorrow and see if I can find a tool that will remove this damn thing.
coarse nimbus
Provide pics for mutual hate of said screw 
molten bramble
This son of a ...
coarse nimbus
cant grab onto it with a small pair of needle nose pliers?
molten bramble
That little mounting head in the middle that has virtually no notches in which to remove.
Yeah, tried that, no good.
coarse nimbus
did you try putting a screw into it and tightening down on it to get a better purchase?
molten bramble
I have 11 different types of needle nose pliers, none of them could find teeth.
coarse nimbus
oof..that sucks
steep gust
did you try just ripping it off
molten bramble
@coarse nimbus Unfortunately i don’t have any other screws that size at the moment.
steep gust
Also why do they put the thermal pad on before you have a drive
molten bramble
It has this weird hexagonal but rounded head on it.
Try ripping the stand-off off?
If I could get a grip on the damn thing, I’d be up for it.
steep gust
isn't it just a piece of plastic
coarse nimbus
I think that was classic r/buildapc sarcasm
molten bramble
No, it’s metal.
steep gust
why do companies do shit like that tbh
molten bramble
I’m talking about the standoff screw in the middle.
molten bramble
I dunno, but I’m sitting here for 45m trying to get this damn thing out.
coarse nimbus
no way of putting a plier half into the screw area, then trying to grab onto the hexagonal section on the outside?
steep gust
uh did you check the manual
molten bramble
@steep gust Exactly, talk about frustrating.
Heh, yeah. That’s even more hilarious.
steep gust
what board is it
molten bramble
Oh, I see, that easy huh? 🤪
steep gust
gigglebyte?
molten bramble
MSI MEG Z390 ACE
steep gust
what is even the point
molten bramble
You tell me
steep gust
I'm so confused on the stupid thermal pads
coarse nimbus
just grab your set of reverse thread drill bits and turn it out 
steep gust
its literally just connected to a piece of metal underneath the slot?
molten bramble
I have three mounting options on this board, but this one...
The other two I’m not prepped for to mount it.
This is farthest from other heat as well, so...
steep gust
oh NVMe drives get hot enough on their own
molten bramble
Exactly
steep gust
and that tiny piece of metal ain't going to dissipate shit
molten bramble
Not trying to exacerbate the issue
steep gust
So you have a metal plate underneath the drive and then a useless heatsink above it?
molten bramble
Nothing like getting cucked by the manufacturer.
molten bramble
Oh lord yes, three different thin widths.
molten bramble
Looking at the way the head is shaped, I suspect there is a tool that has a Phillips design, but is flat and fits right on it.
They’re all right beside the GPU, but I have that mounted up highest and this down lowest.
molten bramble
It’s hard to explain from that pic
steep gust
if you have a small enough bit you might be able to jam it in and get some grip
molten bramble
It won’t, torx has a distinctive pattern that won’t fit in the conclaves end. I like where your head is at, though about doing that.
Alternatively, I could drill the mfer out, but you know... drills and PCBs...
molten bramble
I don’t have a socket small enough either or I would do it that way.
Since it has a hexagonal form, could probably put enough pressure against it that way to grab.
coarse nimbus
do you have a set of small drills?
molten bramble
Yes
coarse nimbus
or rather one barely bigger than the thread diameter
molten bramble
Again, drilling against a PCB is risky.
molten bramble
Yeah, read that earlier
Another thread on reddit about it as well
On the one you posted, if you scroll all the way down, he eventually got it out.
Had to take it to the store, but damn that, I’ll do it myself.
Just gotta find the tool
So yeah, MSI engineer is on my hotlist for a throatpunch.
HOLY SHIT. I just got the fucker off.
I applied an inappropriate amount of pressure to it with a flat head and got it out with a slow torquey turn.
Nearly 1-hour for a standoff, using 14 different tools. Outstanding.
steep gust
And you could have done it in 3 if you were more redneck
Phillips doesn't with enough pressure? Get a flat head and use even more
molten bramble
Haha
Indeed
@steep gust Get this smart design. Since it is a single-sided type, let’s double up on the thermal pads to trap even more heat. Literally what is required.
steep gust
Yeah dont you know
Heatsinks magically make heat go away
Even if it's a single piece of aluminum trapped under the hot part
molten bramble
All back together now, with an additional 16Gb as well.
steep gust
Goodbye memory clocks
molten bramble
That little piece caused me so much headache.
Haven’t decided whether I will image the current SSD to it or just fresh install entirely.
Either is plausible. The latter will take significantly longer time with all the software/driver reinstalls though.
Of course, that’s sort of what the intent was anyways.
Put the game stuff on the old SSD, leave the rest of the production ware on the new.
molten bramble
Okie dokie, system is back online. m.2 is in, now to pick my 'install' strategy. No system errors, so that's a good sign, at least I know nothing is FF'd.
upbeat crypt
People who are crashing in Battlefield V on PC with AMD systems. I have a solution for you that no one has ever mentioned that I have seen anywhere. Reset your Shader Cache every so often or turn it off entirely. So far its working for me for a couple days now with resetting it. I might just turn it off completely. Give it a try.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449302494741528579/556752884897939466/unknown.png
molten bramble
minor turret
radeon vii showing up to 40% performance increase with OC
truly the enthusiast gpu
Need to spend a ridiculous amount of money or effort to do it
but unlike with nvidia you can do it without voiding warranty
upbeat crypt
@minor turret I cant find Vega 64 anywhere. I guess they dont care. They are trying to push everyone to get Radeon VII instead.
Weird flex though. Every where ever has been sold out for months on the Vega 64's
I'm running a 390x on near ultra settings pretty well with BFV. So maybe I'll just wait a bit for prices to drop. I had a GTX 2070 that was nothing but problems so I returned it and I'm just going to stick with AMD I think since I have an AMD system anyways.
grizzled apex
I was gonna try a gtx 1660 ti or a 1070 used but the prices are really bad right now for the 1660 tis
I mean my 1060 3gb is barely keeping up on low 1080 p on dx 11
supple bane
i too have a 1060 3gb and i run bf v 1080p on medium and get around 80 fps
i also am getting a 1660ti soon, the one i am looking at getting is the msi ventus
also, i really got ripped of for my card, like my system was a pre-built and it came with the normal evga 1060, but that was £230 and yet the msi card is £185 and has dual fan instead of single, and a higher clock, and higher boost, so i dont know why my card was so expensive when i could have got more for less
prime jasper
I thought the same but was told MSI cards are not as good
IDK im not a techie
but I showed a pic hmm
that card has 8 gigs of ram, right
but I have been told by a few people its not as good as a 3 gig 1050
which is a real head scratcher for me
I am weary of buying a second hand card for many reasons
minor turret
from what i heard MSI amd cards had such a high RMA rate that they stopped making them
could be that i remember wrong
ah nvm i must have mixed them up with someone else
grizzled apex
I would rather stick with an EVGA card, they seem to run a bit better and use a lot less power from my experience
I was thinking something along the lines of this: EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti XC Black GAMING, 06G-P4-1261-KR, 6GB GDDR6, HDB Fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-487-430&ignorebbr=true
I mean it is a black edition but it’s still a good price
Or i go with a rx 590 for 210$ but I hear Radeon software for their gpu line isn’t popular
steep gust
@grizzled apex Don't go for an ITX card in a normal case
@prime jasper Don't bother with an 8GB RX570, get a 4GB RX580
The performance of a RX570 is not high enough to validate the 8GB VRAM
@minor turret Radeon 7 shows those kind of gains when you allow it to draw as much power as it wants, and we don't really know safe voltages yet
Its easily going to draw 300-400w to beat a stock 2080ti, and it requires a lot of volts to do so
steep gust
outside of you have no thermal headroom
grizzled apex
That’s why I have a case fan blowing out of the case.
Also is this a good keyboard? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Corsair-Strafe-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Cherry-MX-Red-Certified-Refurbished/515371602
It’s on sale for 50$ from 125$ (usd)
steep gust
is it RGB?
supple bane
well, what sort of key do you want
do you want soft and silent, or tactile and loud or something in the middle?
grizzled apex
Not RGB
steep gust
then not very good for $50
grizzled apex
I’m sick of razors green switch and I’m getting a Cherry MX keyboard when I have the chance as it in college
supple bane
well rgb doesnt decide if its good or not XD
grizzled apex
I mean your getting a Cherry MX switch for 50$, what did you expect
steep gust
I wouldn't want red backlit
steep gust
and Corsair has RGB keyboards go on sale pretty often
supple bane
the mx switches arent always the best as well btw
steep gust
yeah well best is subjective
grizzled apex
Anything’s better than Razer Green switches, that 80g activiation force
It’s ridiculous
grizzled apex
K
steep gust
but some keyboards you will end up having to literally kill the leds for it to shut off
supple bane
i went to play my game and just spammed w, then tried to delete it and pressed enter instead
grizzled apex
It’s hard to find a sub 75$ mechanical keyboard with a good switch and looks decent buildwise
supple bane
thats what i like
grizzled apex
It’s got a wrist rest
steep gust
That is most likely plastic
supple bane
and its a sweat box
steep gust
and causes more harm than good
supple bane
and irritates my wrist
its plastic with a rubber texture
like i said, do you want a key that is loud or quite? soft and mushy or tactile
?
grizzled apex
Quiet yet feels like I’m not trying to punch the thing
supple bane
i wouldnt recommend a mechanical switch then tbh, a membrane switch is almost silent and dont have much of a resistance
buoyant rover
Spotted a wild Intel discrete GPU in the wild
you don't see those everyday
molten bramble
Anyone running NVMe m.2 SSD plus a SATA SSD? If so, did you end up keeping all your games on the NVMe m.2 or did you drop those on to the SATA and used the m.2 strictly for system and production ware? 500Gb limit on each, so trying to figure out the most efficient method for this install. All archived type file/data will go on the other two 1Tb SATA HDDs.
I'm thinking of dumping them to the NVMe m.2 , because of the 3.5Gb/s vs 550Mb/s
Yeah, that's probably how I will lay this out, and just use the other as a scratch disk.
buoyant rover
@molten bramble shouldnt matter
unless you mean NVMe versus SATA
and not M.2
which it sounds like you do
games don't make any use of NVMe speeds, so keep games on the SATA drive
molten bramble
Yes, and I'm thinking more about in terms of the headroom/pagefile and whatnot for the future. 500Gb fills up quickly.
I am thinking maybe dumping the pagefile to the SSD tbh. SATA throughput should be just fine for that swap.
Most games can't make use of the throughput anyways from PCIe from what I've read (and as you'd mentioned), but the IOPS/latency is another story. Adobe Premiere and whatnot I think I will leave to the 970 EVO+ and drop the rest of the non-production to the SSD.
steep gust
CPU?
latent light
csgo has had a lot of time to optimize
came out like 7 years ago lol
and it still gets new updates
but since they made it free to play, it's not worth playing
latent light
hackers got worse after it went f2p
grizzled apex
Csgo always had a hacking problem, though rust has it much worse
The one thing about battlefield 5 though is I haven’t seen as much of a hacking problem like battlefield 1 did. My only problem is the server requirements are still pretty impressive
Should I get an evga gtx 1660 xc ultra?
prime jasper
what do you have now?
grizzled apex
Gtx 1060 3gb
I hate it and I need an upgrade
That or wait until the ti version goes down to 250$ in summer and save a bit
prime jasper
what res/hz do you play at?
grizzled apex
1080p 144hz
prime jasper
would certainly be an upgrade
steep gust
yeah it came out recently
latent light
1660 sits between the 1060 6GB and the 1070/1660 Ti
like directly in the middle
1660 would get about 30% higher performance than the 1060 3GB
grizzled apex
I’m really just getting it for the extra 3gb of Vram
grizzled apex
Man, the 1660 ti uses less power but performs better but the 1660 uses less power idle vs under load yet performance is slightly better than a 1060 6gb
steep gust
what
grizzled apex
LTT video
steep gust
Your sentence is just what
grizzled apex
Summarizations on his gtx 1660 video
steep gust
It just doesn't make sense english wise
grizzled apex
It does make a bit of sense but I worded it very bad
supple bane
well i want to kill my self... i just made a fan curve that ramps my fans once my cpu reaches, 56c, it only reaches 55 under full load 
back to bios it is for me
also, i have no idea why people complain about the stock intel cooler, that is 20% fan speed and my cpu is sitting at around 55 degrees
latent light
I didn't know the intel stock cooler could get loud
grizzled apex
What did you expect from stock cooling xD
latent light
my wraith stealth cooler is quiet af
grizzled apex
Though. Some after market coolers suck
latent light
about the same volume as case fans
latent light
wtf
grizzled apex
Hyper t4 has been in my system for 3 years. 60 degrees below
Also, that sounds like hair got in the ball bearings
Or the motor
Or something
supple bane
i mean, the house has to be silent, but even when the t.v is on i can at least hear it about half way down the stairs
supple bane
i5 7400
supple bane
ye its no 9900k
heh, i think it was jaystwocents who used a 9900k in a mini itx build and it reached 120 degrees almost instantly because of the cooling as it wasnt applied correctly
steep gust
120 degrees is impossible
thermal shutdown is 105
and I know of people who put a 7980XE into an ITX build and it works fine
supple bane
oh it may have been a little lower then
supple bane
it was deffo over 100 c
also, you mentioned that and I know of people who put a 7980XE into an ITX build and it works fine the reason it got so hot was because of something to do heatsink bracket being a lil weird and not holding the block flush with the cpu, so there was a gap, and the fact that because of the case, the components blocked all natural air flow and it was so full didnt have the room for the water pump so he had to use a pump/block combo and it couldnt really move the liquid through the 2 rads
prime jasper
what is DX12 mainly good for
grizzled apex
Higher end computers. Dx 12 just makes pictures in general run smoother but use a lot more system resources. Just use dx 11
steep gust
DX12 is better than DX11 on higher end systems generally
I get a more stable fps on dx12 than dx11
prime jasper
on high end systems you are saying gpu cause my cpu is beyond garbage but not bottlenecking it
dusty wagon
would u say 1050 ti is high end
latent light
budget
low-end starts at the GT 1030, ends at the GTX 1050 Ti
mid-range starts at the GTX 1060 and ends at the RTX 2060/GTX 1070 Ti
high-end starts at GTX 1080 and RTX 2070
RTX 2070 shouldn't be high-end but its price puts it there
pastel lily
970 > 1050
latent light
^
if you can, buy a GTX 970 or a RX 570
GTX 970 can only be found used
the market is flooded with new RX 570s
pastel lily
Should I buy the AMD or Intel next?
latent light
depends on budget
pastel lily
Unlimited budget
latent light
and what's considered enough for you
pastel lily
Currently I have 9900K
latent light
no need to upgrade lol
pastel lily
I want my 2nd pc with AMD
latent light
because there is currently no upgrade
pastel lily
Like a full AMD build
latent light
just to have it?
pastel lily
Should I wait for new one or buy the current amd processor
latent light
Ryzen 3rd gen annoucement is likely to happen at gamecom 2019 or computex
which is early as april or late as may
and the actual launch is probably june or july
pastel lily
I starting to believe Cyberpunk 2077 will come out before Xavi 
latent light
Navi could get delayed
pastel lily
My autocorrect is turning it into Xavi instead of Navi 
latent light
Navi most likely will be a monolithic GPU die
"Most of us had thought AMD would start to use its Infinity Fabric interconnect to join smaller GPUs together in a single package to create a high-performance multi-chip module (MCM) with the new Navi graphics silicon. But we recently spoke with David Wang, the new SVP of engineering for AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group (RTG), and there’s pretty much zero chance that’s going to be worked into next year’s Navi GPUs."
yeah monolithic is confirmed lol
steep gust
Dual GPUs suck ass for gaming
So yeah why would you want a dual GPU
The infinity fabric has nowhere near enough bandwidth for a GPU
Like GDDR6 has way more bandwidth than DDR4, and that would cause a huge issue with infinity fabric, which is built for DDR4
prime jasper
Woah woah woah
Only normies say dual GPU's are bad
People with actual patience with nvidia inspector has no issue with sli
Like almost any game we can force it
And adjust to make it work
quasi sparrow
price/perf still shit tho
quasi sparrow
SLI is only kinda worth with flagship GPUs
prime jasper
Fuck yeah it is
molten bramble
Wow... so between the NVMe and memory upgrade, this new system feels like a new system. Jeez... not even a tickle of concern about running something.
So, progress report = hydra is happy. Night all! 😄
latent light
@steep gust there is a chance that A320 and B350 won't support Ryzen 3000
has to do with the first generation Ryzen motherboards being ass
since motherboard vendors didn't expect Ryzen to be successful lol
minor turret
40-60 usd motherboards
expecting them to survive this long
My motherboard cost more than my CPU because I am hoping that next gen will be worth it
or rather same amount
~150 usd each
latent light
what chipset do you have
minor turret
x470
latent light
that's good
minor turret
It will have the power to drive 16 cores if that gets launched for AM4 lel
i will have to replace the heatsinks
but it will fucking run it
latent light
8 cores 7nm should be 40% more power efficient than 8 cores 12nm
so I'm sure AM4 could drive 16 cores 7nm
minor turret
remains to be seen, as nodes get smaller theres more power leakage
so while it might fit im pretty sure its gonna be a lot worse than 2700x on VRMs
sonic osprey
I have to say I am highly sceptical on the top tier zen2s running on older AM4 sockets, but as said it remains to be seen what can be achieved with older mobos
latent light
I wouldn't recommend A320 or B350
X370 and up and you would be good
especially when going over 8 cores lol
not all X370 boards are good though
prime jasper
I can see what he means, x370 boards also werent meant to do 4000mhz+ ram so its definitely going to be interesting.
grizzled apex
I wish I could upgrade my motherboard but I’m only running a 4th generation I7 with DDR3 ram.
I mean it’s H97 chipset but it’s still pretty bad considering it’s age
prime jasper
yeah unfortunately for you upgrading will require a new mobo/cpu/ram
grizzled apex
Which is a good 300$+ right there
prime jasper
better start scraping change out of the couch and car lol
sonic osprey
for past 12 years, I have literally always just bought entire new setup, when I was needing to upgrade
grizzled apex
I’m in college
It’s gonna be a lot more than just spare change
Though, i could just get an extra 16gb kit and call it a day xD
sonic osprey
maybe once or twice bought something like a harddrive or ram
grizzled apex
Considering I paid 40$ for them
I’d say worth it
I’m really on the fences for my upgrade path. Should I wait for the gtx 1660 ti to go down in price or get a used gtx 1070?
sonic osprey
your current card is?
grizzled apex
Gtx 1060 3gb
sonic osprey
shrug, they are all so close to each other in perf
or no wait, thats 6gb that is close
grizzled apex
Yeah but it’s either a extra 2gb of Vram vs the gtx 1660 ti or getting GDDR6 Vram
sonic osprey
think the 1070 is better perf if you dont need the vram
might be able to get a good deal on those compared to 1660ti price drop in near future
grizzled apex
Yeah but your paying an extra 30-60$ for more 2gb of Vram
But slightly more cuda cores and clock speed
prime jasper
also keep in mind vegas are dropping way down in price too
grizzled apex
I’m personally not a huge fan of AMD graphics card as their driver software isn’t the best from what I’ve been hearing
latent light
it's been good for at least 2 years now
grizzled apex
Hopefully, I found an RX 590 for 210$
And it’s from ASROCK, which is the same brand as my motherboard
prime jasper
should be about 20% or so faster than what you have
fiery carbon
why does my game stutter at borderless fullscreen, but got perfect fps at fullscreen? 1060 btw
fiery carbon
MSI 1060 gamingX
atomic zenith
hey
storm osprey
howdy
atomic zenith
howdy yall!
sonic osprey
@latent light https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ioGZmorL8c
mortal nacelle
it is
but you could go with a cheaper ryzen
so you dont need to upgrade you ram
jolly trellis
ok
storm osprey
well, he has ddr 2 or ddr3, so he could get a used platform so he doesnt have to get ram if money is a concern
mortal nacelle
^^
if he are going for 8600k he need to upgrade to dd4
he got ram now alot of it so if he wanna save money
jolly trellis
DDR2 AND 3 was so expensive idk why but i got DDR3
mortal nacelle
he could just get a support cpu for ddr4
iron canyon
oof, I have DDR3 from 2013
jolly trellis
yeah
mortal nacelle
then i would go with a cpu wich support ddr3
storm osprey
what we really need to know is whats your budget and what you are willing to do
olive ferry
True
mortal nacelle
he only need mobo and cpu
jolly trellis
france
iron canyon
so € then 😛
jolly trellis
yes
storm osprey
mortal nacelle
@storm osprey FFS you where faster
storm osprey
damnit you put $
iron canyon
jolly trellis
wow do you know id 750 W it's good for that
mortal nacelle
storm osprey
yes it is
mortal nacelle
Yes
storm osprey
750w will power just about anything
olive ferry
That would come to €417
mortal nacelle
@jolly trellis wait a little to upgrade then
storm osprey
well look for deals there
jolly trellis
do you know if DDR3 was compatible on DDR4 motherboard
mortal nacelle
no but he got the ram
storm osprey
the pin location is different
mortal nacelle
so he might need to go intel
storm osprey
if hes building ddr3 thats the used market, and idk prices where hes at
mortal nacelle
so he dont have to buy ddr4
storm osprey
intel and amd are on ddr4
storm osprey
right, but thats used, and idk prices for that, but it shouldnt be that good of a deal because of limited availability
storm osprey
the last link i gave is 364euro
mortal nacelle
go with this @jolly trellis https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/tD2fvn
maybe browers some of you french sites
computer parts sites
jolly trellis
@mortal nacelle in ryzen 5 2600 box do you know if ave well cooler
storm osprey
it comes with a cooler
jolly trellis
fan
mortal nacelle
Yes all amd boxees come with a cooler
jolly trellis
ok
storm osprey
good coolers for stock at that
mortal nacelle
even that
mortal nacelle
price might drop
storm osprey
theres always the case of "but you can wait", but in this case, this actually looks like it could be worthwhile
BUT its also months away from releasing
mortal nacelle
if he needs good pc now
he would just order 😄
maybe we killed him @storm osprey 😦
storm osprey
agreed
iron canyon
storm osprey
its your fault
iron canyon
minor turret
but you can do it
storm osprey
guaranteed the prices arent going to be worth it though
minor turret
and intel 6th gen had ddr3 and ddr4 motherboards iirc
100% not
paying 400-500 euro for a 4770/4790k
storm osprey
something stupid, when you can just get a 2600 for 150ish and get the same game performance but have double the cores
minor turret
the 2600 has inferior single and quad core performance than 4790k
storm osprey
prime jasper
eh...I'm gonna have to question that statement https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4790-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/2293vs3955
storm osprey
for games, the 2600 is either close to 4790k, or better it seems according to this video
storm osprey
2600 is not locked
prime jasper
then what is the 2600x?
storm osprey
a higher clocked 2600
minor turret
holy shit 
storm osprey
thats why literally everyone suggests getting the 2600 because you can OC it basically the same as a 2600x
and with the money saved can buy a better cpu cooler
prime jasper
lol Ive seen countless people struggle to hit 4.2 on them and then get mad because everyone says its possible
minor turret
2600x has that delicious 2-5% better single core performance
If you have a shitty cooler then 4.2 isnt gonna happen
storm osprey
so youve seen people struggle to get 4.2 OC but say its locked?
minor turret
because ryzen shits on itself at 60-70c
@storm osprey I cant attest for other benches, but I do know overwatch is sufficiently thread limited that the 2600 shouldnt be beating an overclocked 4790k with decent ram. He lists his OC at 2133 but doesnt list timings
and this applies even more to csgo that uses an old old engine
storm osprey
but OW and CSGO youll be hitting more than enough fps either way
storm osprey
i didnt look at the link
minor turret
I know a common trap in benching old CPUs vs new
is using 1866 ram or worse
loosened timings at 2133 would have same effect
prime jasper
2600x has that automatic OC that does a much better job than any manual OC that will be done unless you run a big custom loop.
2600 will have worse clocks
200mhz gap tbh
That's like 60$ worth of performance
storm osprey
everything ive seen suggests you can OC them to the same levels with the same cpu coolers, and 200mhz isnt worth the price difference
lavish dagger
prime jasper
Hi bitches
storm osprey
hello
grizzled apex
No
If anyone’s looking for good deals, I’d check out this website: https://www.dealnews.com/c93/Computers/Upgrades-Components/
170$ Rysen 5 2600x
With free game
prime jasper
1600 is 80$
storm osprey
link?
prime jasper
@storm osprey it's ok, I'll find it for you
prime jasper
@steep gust the fuck happend to the 1600's?
@storm osprey they were 50$ for couple weeks
Including a motherboard
Then 80$
I guess they jumped up in price
storm osprey
pcpartpicker has the history for them at the lowest of 120
prime jasper
That's cool, but not true
If you been following parts, it was a pretty big announcement
storm osprey
i mean, it is true, thats what pcpartpicker shows, but if the deal was through ebay or some shit then pcpartpicker doesnt track that
prime jasper
No it's not true, PC part picker miss's alot and it wasnt ebay
storm osprey
i cant find anything anywhere suggesting it was 80 buks
the lowest i can find was 100 bucks at microcenter
prime jasper
And the barn place
Finding that link 4 you
Comes with a motherboard
So really 50$
prime jasper
It was few days ago, dont know why there search was blocked
storm osprey
of course it has to be microcenter, the one store i dont have
prime jasper
Theres 1 more site that has it aswell
Something barn
For 80$
Trying to think which one it was
steep gust
PCPartPicker only has the big companies
aka no flash sales
Fuck I should have bought a 1600 for $50
ez flip for like $80
quasi sparrow
/r/buildapcsales always has good links
steep gust
latent light
there was a demo of Crytek using a Vega 56 that had actual real time ray tracing on a engine and it was smooth
looks great
so it looks like RT hardware isn't needed to achieve playable performance on a ray traced game, devs can create a game engine that supports it for any GPU
steep gust
Nvidia uses the API in DX12 anyways
dusty wagon
what would happen if someone designed a cpu heater
grizzled apex
That had to be the (no offense) dumbest question I’ve every heard
glossy rune
Tech
glossy rune
Tech
muted adder
1080p ultrawide or 1440p?
latent light
depends on monitor size
1440p at 24" to 27" looks good
ultrawide gives you more field of view
29" 1080p ultrawide looks nice
lucid pollen
rx 580 8gb or 1660/ ti? I currently have a 1060 3gb play at 1080p 60hz most likely need a new PSU so take that into account too budget is $350
the 1660 is like $30 less than the 580 $229 for the 1660
latent light
if you're in the US, Canada, or west europe, you can find an RX 580 for like $170
latent light
I don't recommend best buy for a gpu
lucid pollen
well no microcenter so best buy or buy used
latent light
you buying online?
lucid pollen
nah
there is a guy selling 1080s for $450 mined on meh
might just wait for a deal on a 1070
latent light
1070s are out of stock, can only find them used
the production for them stopped months ago
1660 Ti would be a good alternative
lofty light
You can OC the 1660 to get the same perf as the 1660ti