because your input lag varies A LOT
#technology
sonic osprey
wintry moat
im running at 130fps in 2560 by 1440 everything on high exept for one i have on ultra which helps me play
trail coral
Input lag doesn’t exist for me
sonic osprey
storm osprey
input lag always exist
storm osprey
i know what he means, but his words say something different
its like saying 60 to 70 fps has no difference
sonic osprey
i'm like 144fps -> 100fps, "ssheeesh this is fucking baaaaad"
storm osprey
theres a difference, but its just not meaningful
trail coral
What? You clearly don’t know what you are talking about
sonic osprey
trail coral
60-70 would obviously make a difference due to the fact that games should minimum run at 60 FPS
Also
Playing on 240hz also improves reps once rate from game to mouse
storm osprey
... youre kinda all over the place
sonic osprey
I mean i'm running 9900k@5.1 + 2080ti@2055 and I play lowest settings when want to compete
so i can absolutely be sure i get steady 144fps and constant input lag
prime jasper
ouchie
sonic osprey
ouch, iGPU... not good
try to get used gpu from few years back if you are low on budget
sonic osprey
budget?
storm osprey
why external?
storm osprey
ive never done external gpu research
prime jasper
yeah that in no way is a gaming machine
mortal nacelle
Desktop for gaming ❤
prime jasper
budget allowing lol
mortal nacelle
or if you made of money buy a epic gaming laptop 😄
sonic osprey
there are gaming laptops with 2080ti
mortal nacelle
pretty easy
storm osprey
you can build it literally from that
sonic osprey
@prime jasper you got any friend who knows about pc building?
storm osprey
wooow
storm osprey
i had respect at first?
sonic osprey
why you need PSU, you get electricity from the wall outlet
latent light
you could get a Ryzen 5 2600 for $40 less and get the same performance but that's none of my business
storm osprey
desktops are generally cheaper but perform better
mortal nacelle
thats why i linked the youtube video from linus
storm osprey
and yes 2600 is a better option imo, if you put time into them
storm osprey
stock 2600 vs 8400 usually has 8400 ahead, but not by much
latent light
~5%
latent light
fanboyism 🤢
chilly sorrel
u mean power and class
sonic osprey
@chilly sorrel word
mortal nacelle
if you have no money
mortal nacelle
i would go amd and nvidia
storm osprey
chilly sorrel
@sonic osprey dont forget green too
sonic osprey
blue & green = cyan
latent light
fanboys lmao
chilly sorrel
oh shit i smell broke in here
latent light
Ryzen 5 2600 best value CPU for under $200
storm osprey
if you put time into it
sonic osprey
i would call myself a fan man, not a boi because i can actually afford blue + green
mortal nacelle
if i was broke i would do this setup https://i.imgur.com/jDgWJbC.jpg
latent light
it boosts to 4 GHz
chilly sorrel
4ghz? wow thats so fast omg
prime jasper
you going to say something of value or just shitpost?
sonic osprey
bl-a-zing fast
latent light
Ryzen 3rd gen is going to murder Intel's market share
chilly sorrel
tfw u realise my old i5-6600k runs at 4.2
sonic osprey
5.5ghz on 16cores? maybe in 2022
mortal nacelle
@prime jasper https://i.imgur.com/jDgWJbC.jpg check that out
chilly sorrel
i call it the unbranded pc
latent light
why only 8GB ram
mortal nacelle
@latent light budge pc
sonic osprey
i would drop the 2060 and get 1660ti and more ram 🤔
chilly sorrel
2060 for that rtx glory
latent light
budget is under $200 tbh
chilly sorrel
lol $200 is some low budget
storm osprey
and ew patriot ram
mortal nacelle
what ever ?
latent light
8GB ram is extreme budget
mortal nacelle
its 750 usd
chilly sorrel
go grab some 16gb corsair ram, vengence or if u wanna be a big boi go get dominator
storm osprey
gskill ram all the way
latent light
G Skill > Corsair
sonic osprey
rgb ram > others
chilly sorrel
4200mhz rgb ram > others
prime jasper
he doesnt have Gskill Royal Platinum ram
sonic osprey
convert 8000mhz gddr6 to be used by cpu
latent light
he don't have Galax Hall Of Fame RAM at 4600 MHz
mortal nacelle
got Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 64GB DDR4-3200MHz
chilly sorrel
@mortal nacelle ayy welcome to the big boi elite pc club
mortal nacelle
i think i have been there for long 😄
sonic osprey
64gb is quite a bit of ram
chilly sorrel
have u got the dom airflow plat fan for them?
mortal nacelle
9700k 2080ti 64gb pc reporting in 😄
sonic osprey
9700k
sonic osprey
watercooled 9900k + 2080ti, 16gb 3600mhz ram
mortal nacelle
you not even in the big boy club
storm osprey
4790 (non k) club here....
mortal nacelle
@sonic osprey yeah i really didn't need the 9900k
chilly sorrel
@mortal nacelle yes coz my cpu is very overclocked and i have 16gb dom plats 3200mhz
mortal nacelle
16gb 
chilly sorrel
@latent light more like amd lil boi
mortal nacelle
i got 2 slots open also
chilly sorrel
@mortal nacelle send donation pls
latent light
AMD 💪
Intel 
sonic osprey
I'll get 16gb more ram whenever I will need it
mortal nacelle
i just when all in 😄
sonic osprey
have not ever hit max ram usage yet
chilly sorrel
whats ur pay like?
mortal nacelle
my pay ?
prime jasper
lmao
chilly sorrel
ur pc is what im working towards
prime jasper
I seem to be only one in the ryzen club on here right meow
chilly sorrel
but ima have to go get a summer job
storm osprey
il be joining ryzen next
latent light
I got Ryzen 5 1600
sonic osprey
I can say that I make about 7k e/month
prime jasper
2700x keeping me nice and comfy
prime jasper
lol
mortal nacelle
the danish price was 22.00dkk
storm osprey
im all about that performance to price ratio
and seems like ryzen is gonna crush that aspect
prime jasper
oh it does
chilly sorrel
meh
chilly sorrel
im about dat class
prime jasper
9900k is twice the price and not even close to twice the performance
chilly sorrel
im working towards a nice looking pc not a cheap one so meh
mortal nacelle
it still a good cpu if you do work load
sonic osprey
bugatti veyron is like 167times as much as used 96' honda civic, but does not go 167times as fast
chilly sorrel
^
latent light
I should of invested into AMD stock in 2016, I would have made 1400% profit lol
prime jasper
wew
chilly sorrel
and thats the 1st time ive seen what amd stands for
latent light
New Ryzen 3000 codename is Valhalla
prime jasper
cant wait, although I'll probably wait for the refresh in 2020 to upgrade
latent light
refresh will be 7nm+
prime jasper
exactly
latent light
probably just slightly higher memory support and maybe 100-200MHz increase in max clock
nothing substantial like every refresh lol
prime jasper
that remains to be seen. I can hold out though
supple bane
woah, thats what amd stands for
latent light
Zen = The place of peace in your head before you go to heaven
Valhalla = Heaven
storm osprey
ive been waiting
chilly sorrel
@steep gust this tbh, skylake too
pale wren
I7-6700 Core
Gtx 1060 6GB
and 16GB RAM
is very good to run Battlefield V on Maximum Graphics
chilly sorrel
u got my cpu's big brother
pale wren
give me five br✋ other
storm osprey
4790 and 1080....
pale wren
it cost 1699€
chilly sorrel
ikr so fkin expensive
ima have to go get a job in the next skl holiday
then ill have that nice rtx mode on bfv
pale wren
i'll get myself RTX when i need new PC like 2021
chilly sorrel
tbh cpu aint too important
pale wren
HDD 3TB and SSD 1TB ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pale wren
but tbh i work with computers so i know what problems i got , and which CPU and GPU i would need
With my Specs , i got Bfv on maximum ,very good Fps and 10 Latency
dang add me on Origin : 1943_ERommel
and accept it
@prime jasper
k
k
chilly sorrel
lol
pale wren
Apple is good especially Safety xD
pale wren
nah honor
chilly sorrel
honor is rly good too
latent light
phones that use stock android are the best
pale wren
not rly and always
pale wren
Samsung is shit
latent light
samsung has too much bloatware and shit that takes up background processing which makes the phone slower
pale wren
except for SSD there good at that xD
latent light
iPhones are usually the fastest and snappiest phones, but if you look at stock android phones from Google, Xiaomi, and Huawei, they are just as fast
steep gust
eh
iPhones and flagship Android phones not running bloatware will end up equal with snappiest
chilly sorrel
@pale wren yeh i hav samsung ssd
steep gust
Samsung makes the best DDR4 ICs
chilly sorrel
i got 250gb samsung 970 evo ssd
pale wren
i got 1Tb Samsung and its too fast
chilly sorrel
lightning
latent light
I got a 250gb 970 evo as well
steep gust
NVMe is wasted for consumer usage
chilly sorrel
no
steep gust
Yes
chilly sorrel
no
steep gust
Do you understand how NVMe works?
latent light
i got it because no SATA cable or power cable
chilly sorrel
uses pcie lane
steep gust
It literally has zero advantage over SATA 3 outside of sequential read / writes
latent light
I only prefer NVMe because it doesn't require extra cables
steep gust
Which, fun fact
chilly sorrel
it faster
steep gust
Don't happen that often
chilly sorrel
it faster
steep gust
Its faster in some workloads
latent light
it's not faster at loading the OS or games
pale wren
u guys use Cooler Master ?
chilly sorrel
nah
latent light
Deepcool > cooler master
chilly sorrel
eww
grizzled apex
theres m.2 pcie cards?
chilly sorrel
who gets nvme with cables
chilly sorrel
either pcie dock or m.2
grizzled apex
are they pcie x16 2.0?
pale wren
As long u r Nvidia users and not AMD
chilly sorrel
no wot
chilly sorrel
imagine wasting an x16 lane for ssd
steep gust
Look at those stock prices 
chilly sorrel
eww u amd peasant
grizzled apex
i know there are adapters for extra sata slots
chilly sorrel
like...
latent light
xploitr is a huge intel/nvidia fanboy
steep gust
2080ti should not be $1200
chilly sorrel
yes it should
pale wren
@steep gust at least u have to restart ur pc and ur have no more FPs drop unlike AMD that burns out after 2h
latent light
2080 Ti should be $800 at the most
steep gust
@pale wren source?
chilly sorrel
do u know how much they spent on rnd for 20 series?
steep gust
Do you know how much money they make?
chilly sorrel
ofc ist onna be more than 1k
pale wren
u right ´RTX is just tooooooo Expensive like btw 800-1800€
steep gust
Fabrication isn't expensive
chilly sorrel
research and development
chilly sorrel
yeh its cheap to fabricate
steep gust
Very fucking quickly
pale wren
its like IPhone
latent light
xploitr you're not going to win a tech argument against betrayed, not going to ever happen lol
steep gust
NVidia has been turning a profit on RTX for months
chilly sorrel
just coz u too broke for 2080ti dont mean u need to hate on nvidia
steep gust
I can buy a 2080ti
pale wren
Fabrication be like 150€ and Sold at 700€
chilly sorrel
if u ran a business ud do the same as nvidia
steep gust
No I wouldn't
chilly sorrel
thats what u say now
steep gust
The price increase from Maxwell to Pascal was acceptable
You had great gains in performance
power efficiency was solid
chilly sorrel
i agree
chilly sorrel
R&D
steep gust
Turing does not offer enough to validate the price hikes
RTX features are most shit
"real time ray tracing" that isn't really ray tracing
DLSS which is just cheap AA that isn't very good looking
pale wren
why buy RTX and GTX can run bfv on maximum
chilly sorrel
still better than standard and dlss is rly good wtf
chilly sorrel
it is tho
steep gust
Power lines say hi
latent light
Ray-Tracing cripples performance and isn't even actually Ray-Tracing in the first place, DLSS is too blurry to use
latent light
is that your pc?
chilly sorrel
🔥
pale wren
nope and hope its not
steep gust
Then you have that NVidia locks down the cards for no reason outside of limiting longevity
Why else would I be voltage locked by the driver? I mean you can download XOC BIOS for your Pascal / Turing cards and get more performance with no real risk of damage, just more power draw
AMD doesn't lock down their cards, and you can easily download BIOS that pretty much bypass the power limit while you can't even disable GPU Boost on NVidia cards past Maxwell
Then you add the shit they did to the VRMs on Turing to limit hard mods
I mean Intel lets me shove 2.1v down my CPU (aka blue smoke the second a load happens), and no one is doing that
chilly sorrel
and yet nvidia cards get more fps in games
steep gust
because NVidia has way more money than AMD
chilly sorrel
and wot
mortal nacelle
?
steep gust
What products does NVidia make?
mortal nacelle
who cares
chilly sorrel
when amd performs better than nvidia then ill happily switch over
steep gust
It can't compete with Intel and NVidia on being the best
AMD has by far the best price to performance
latent light
Nvidia R&D budget is $1.8 billion this year and all that is used for Graphics Card development
AMD R&D budget is $1.4 billion and that has to be shared between CPU and GPU development
let that sink in
chilly sorrel
🤢
steep gust
I mean
You would probably buy a 1050ti over an RX580
Yet one performs leagues better (and they cost the same)
chilly sorrel
nah it get a 2080ti
latent light
RX 570 is $130, performs over 40% better than the 1050 Ti while costing less
chilly sorrel
what amd card performs better than a 2080ti?
steep gust
What AMD card cost the same?
latent light
0.02% of the consumer market owns a 2080 Ti
steep gust
Oh, wait.
I mean I could buy a 2080ti, I just don't see why I should give NVidia money for a product that should be $250-300 less
latent light
even at $300 less, they'd still be making huge profit
chilly sorrel
well thats up to u
just coz u dont wanna give nvidia ur money dont make them worse than amd
latent light
xploitr, you own a 6600K and a GTX 970, why does the 2080Ti even concern you
chilly sorrel
the gfx card is still there regardless if u wanna buy it or not
steep gust
Not supporting shitty market practices that harm consumers does make sense
latent light
^
steep gust
The 2080ti should have been $800-900
chilly sorrel
@latent light coz i built my pc in 2016 u retard. a 2080ti concerns me coz thats the card im upgrading to
steep gust
I mean that is how NVidia use to do price increases for most generations
latent light
nice ad hominem
steep gust
and you would see the same or better gains
1080ti to 2080ti is what
20-30% performance gains?
steep gust
For nearly double the price
latent light
most tech youtubers think the RTX series is a joke
chilly sorrel
as i said earlier, what amd card competes with 2080ti? none
latent light
they don't need to compete with the 2080 Ti to steal market share
chilly sorrel
who gives a fuck
steep gust
I mean the Radeon 7 cost less than a 2080 and competes with it
chilly sorrel
u keep talking about the price
latent light
Radeon 7 even has more and faster memory and better quality VRMs
chilly sorrel
when im talking about the performance
steep gust
Fun fact
You hit a point that paying the extra dollar for performance is not worth it
and had NVidia not been shitty, you won't be paying the extra dollar
steep gust
yeah you can go to modded SLI RTX Titans
chilly sorrel
i thnk not
chilly sorrel
"let our framerates be high" is whats most important
latent light
if you want the top performance, RTX Titan gets like ~5% more than the 2080Ti, go for that instead if you're naïve enough
sonic osprey
well yeah, sli rtx titan is kinda off my "price range" :D
steep gust
You can daily subzero using unsafe voltages on a 9900k
but once you start killing multiple a year it gets costly
pale wren
u guys still discussing ?
sonic osprey
i'm fine with my 9900k@5.1 and 2080ti@2055
steep gust
I can daily 4133mhz CL12 RAM, it just will be dead very quickly
But worth it right guys?
For performance price is not an issue
chilly sorrel
ofc
chilly sorrel
burning a dimm a day keeps the peasants away
steep gust
Hell even Psycho who is pretty hardcore into performance over costs has a limit
glad nimbus
Anyone running the NVidia driver 419.35?
steep gust
Pepe is old
chilly sorrel
m8 i was being sarcastic, obviously it eventually does get to the point of being ridiculous
latent light
I haven't pushed my ram above 1.4v
latent light
DDR3 was 1.65v max iirc
steep gust
Hell I can buy sticks that the XMP profile is 1.5v
buoyant rover
general rule is 1.4
latent light
how did you overclock your cpu cache
steep gust
uh you increase the cache ratio
latent light
I don't have that option
steep gust
I think Kahru RAM test has a cache stress test
chilly sorrel
how to overclock my hdd?
steep gust
but you can run memory tests / CPU stress tests
latent light
gigabyte bios is so bad
steep gust
DDR3 was a lot more picky with voltages
Since different ICs has different limits
While every DDR4 ICs I'm looked into has 1.5v
Oh I guess I know someone who had a stick of AFR die at 1.5v, but that is a one off
latent light
interesting
Intel's TDP is electric watts, and is based on the CPU's power draw in a Cinebench level load at its base clock.
AMD's TDP is thermal watts, and is based on the formula (tCase (°C) - tAmbient (°C)) / HSF (Θca [°C/W]), which sets a power limit that the CPU can't exceed at its base clock. For example, the 2700X's 105W TDP is calculated with the values, (61.8 °C - 42.0 °C) / 0.189 Θca.
coarse nimbus
Θca dafuq is this? 👀
steep gust
math
that is what it is
and yeah anyone who has actually used multiple heatsinks can tell you TDP is worthless
Its even worse with radiators
Technically you could dissipate thousands of watts with one (like 240mm), just need some beefy as shit fans
finite mica
I never care about TDP tbh. It used to be a thing back in the day but now ...
minor turret
oh really, i thought the practical limitation is between die, IHS and aio plate
sonic osprey
TDP on 9900k... 95w @ 3.6ghz, at 5.1ghz and avx load... another issue
minor turret
if you magically could bypass that a 240mm radiator could blow ridiculous hot air with current setups
also why return of investment drops hard when using radiators over 240/360mm
latent light
I wonder who buys a 95W CPU then goes out and buys a 95W rated cooler only to find out that the CPU exceeds that TDP because of the boost clock lmao
sonic osprey
my cooling setup can cool like 650W or so, and thats for cpu+gpu
minor turret
@sonic osprey Pretty sure that statement is useless, too many variables in cpu/gpu setups to have a set cooling rating
sonic osprey
I'm just calculating my rad space and fan rpm
finite mica
@latent light hahahahahaha, people do that? Like... Seriously?
latent light
TDP can be misleading
sonic osprey
TDP is for stock clock
latent light
for Intel, AMD does it way differently
finite mica
I mean sure... But surely anyone is aware that A) boost means higher and B) wouldn't you want a little headroom?
like when buying a PSU, better to have more than less?
latent light
AMD sticks a lot closer to rated TDP than Intel under heavy workloads, that's without manual overclocking
granted, that won't affect the average user with average cooling... but it also means you're not going to necessarily get the same bench results as reviews with top-notch everything (especially cooling)
with the AMD systems, even a budget system build (even with stock cooling) will produce results close to what reviewers get, provided you use decent RAM (and enable the profile)
sonic osprey
amd also overclocks like by .... 5%, where as intel can do like +25%
steep gust
I mean
Once you hit subzero stuff starts cold scaling
Generally
AMD pushes their CPUs a lot harder out of the box, and with XFR2 will auto overclock the last bit
finite mica
Intel also use extensive cooling to show off better all core speeds ahahaha
minor turret
intel does not advertise all core speeds
latent light
you mean like the 28-core at all-core 5 GHz?
minor turret
it stopped doing that several generations ago
steep gust
AMD also stopped
sonic osprey
I can do all core 5.1ghz under 80C in avx workloads with my cooling setup
steep gust
No one advertises all core speeds
Better to advertise the single core that never happens
sonic osprey
obv when graphic card is involved its not that great
finite mica
The company was first to announce what many believe will be its next high-end flagship processor - a 28-core monster that sees a 10-core increase compared to its current desktop flagship, the Core i9-7980XE, which has 18 cores. However, Intel showed the CPU running at 5GHz on all cores, which was thanks to some overclocking, which allowed many to think it had a AMD Threadripper-beating product on its hands.
steep gust
However, Intel showed the CPU running at 5GHz on all cores, which was thanks to some overclocking
some overclocking
latent light
some
steep gust
That is a 1200mhz increase
sonic osprey
you think ryzen 3 gen was beating 9900k at "stock" at CES? they said the clock speeds are not final, so they could be heavily over what the are planning
steep gust
I mean
latent light
considering the power consumption, yes
finite mica
I never said they advertised it or that it wasn't overclocked 😂
steep gust
Hell getting a 3175X to 5.0ghz is pretty hard even with exotic cooling
and considering you can't really buy it, its not a good CPU for looking at a flagship
sonic osprey
you think the power consumption was also final on the ryzen 3rd gen? if they would have had a product ready to beat 9900k properly they would have said the specs
steep gust
I mean power consumption generally goes down
minor turret
Dude, if the cpu was heavily overclocked then it would be very inefficient
latent light
AMD doesn't reveal specs until shortly before the product releases lol
minor turret
and power draw would be huge
thats why AMD revealed performance + power draw
so we know theres no chiller sheeanigans
latent light
they didn't say if it was a Ryzen 5 or a Ryzen 7 processor
if Ryzen 5 becomes 8 core/16 threads, I'm gonna be impressed
since Ryzen 5 cost starts at $200 and ends at $230
minor turret
inb4 12 core+ is like 600 usd while 8 core matching 9900k is like 350-400 dollars
latent light
I doubt that
sonic osprey
they are not gonna undercut intel pricing by 50% margin, that is for sure
see radeon VII, its like 2080 pricing and performance
latent light
well because Radeon VII is as cheap as it can possibly get without losing profit
minor turret
except our lord and saviour Lisa Su strongly impliedthat the empty space in 8 core CPU will be used in more expensive variants
steep gust
except there is a lot more involved than just empty space
I mean they could put an iGPU there
for the APUs
sonic osprey
from amd fanbois perspective it is quite simple
latent light
you can see a reflection of something that can fit there
looks perfectly sizable for another 8-core chiplet
sonic osprey
sure but that means there is not iGPU
steep gust
Yes
sonic osprey
and they are planning on releasing those according to the leaks
minor turret
just because it fits does not mean its the most profitable route to take
steep gust
but they have a lot of restrictions involved
Memory bandwidth
Infinity Fabric bandwidth
sonic osprey
i call shenanigans on amd's part
steep gust
Leaks for AMD are just bullshit fyi
I dont see why AMD gets the lord and savior leaks while Intel's supposed 10c just disappears
minor turret
pretty sure AMD has been printing money due to ryzen doing well + miners
steep gust
mining is dead
and it cost them a lot of money
because they didn't expect it to die when it did
sonic osprey
problem is, amd is not making money
sonic osprey
they might have cheaper product, but they are not making money
minor turret
hence no gamers getting hands on AMD cards for a hwile
steep gust
and then mining crashed
and they had a ton of inventory
and a bunch of pissed off investors
dusty wagon
i have never owned an amd product do u think i should get one
steep gust
Depends on what you have
dusty wagon
processors
dusty wagon
1500 ish
latent light
going for a whole new build?
dusty wagon
maybe
latent light
what resolution do you play games at
dusty wagon
1080p
latent light
144hz?
minor turret
AMD had a big inventory in previous card gen, not last one with RX570/580 and vegas
finite mica
Vegas? They went all Casino Royal 😛
steep gust
The thing is that having excessive inventory cost money
Like NVidia ended up with a shit ton of Pascal cards because well
mining crashed and they expected much more
So they ended up selling them for very little due to needing the inventory for Turing
latent light
was pretty funny when gtx 1060 3gb cards lost mining support because of a windows update
steep gust
nah it was for them to sell the mining only version of the 1060
minor turret
no miner worth his salt would buy a gpu with zero resell value
latent light
yeah mining cards had only 1 output for monitors, some cards didn't have any lmao
steep gust
Companies in china didn't care
They were buying literally thousands of GPUs for cheap to mine for easy profit
minor turret
they could still recoup more by reselling 1060s for 50-100 usd after it becomes unprofitable to mine
steep gust
and they did sell the cheap mining gpus
minor turret
because nvidia did not price the mining variants much below a gaming 1060
latent light
@dusty wagon do you plan on overclocking?
latent light
9400 or 9400T
minor turret
9400
could be international retail is different, but just saw it pop up in web store here
steep gust
Intel hasn't launched their locked SKUs yet
minor turret
latent light
steep gust
I mean 5.0ghz on current 14nm intel is ez
minor turret
thermal limits and all, and im not sure how this cpu will perform
wonder if removing integrated graphics will improve temps
steep gust
It won't
minor turret
or if it simply means smaller die with cpu cores more packed together
steep gust
iGPUs get disabled when a dGPU is plugged in
same die
Literally just has the iGPU lasered off
violet gyro
steep gust
very useless market tho
You can already buy a 4c that does 5.0ghz+
its called the 8350k
minor turret
as far as intel is concerned
price on their CPUs never drops
so they can relaunch a cpu that does exact same for same/higher price
queen field
Self repairing is becoming illegal
pallid silo
guys I need help... my game wont even launch im on https://www.twitch.tv/wolfsicknesslive atm and it just doesn't work any help?
supple bane
go to task manager>performance>and look to see if the disk is at 100% this is weird and can happen all the time, if this is true nothing on your pc will launch
if your disk is reading normally, then i would try to un-install and re-install
steep gust
@latent light and I guess they soldered the usb port? But that doesn't really mean anything because its been done for years
Also people complaining about self repairs
Taking apart a modern phone is a lot of steps with a lot of things that can go wrong and it takes some specialized tools
supple bane
especially iphones i have found, its almost like they dont want you to be able to repair it 
steep gust
I mean my S7 Edge I can't just remove the back and get access to the battery
Nope screen has to come off
and some random daughter board
and a bunch of other shit
supple bane
i have an iphone 6s + and i have no idea how i would get inside
maybe a hammer
and a plasma cutter, should be inside in no time
a company that somehow made a phone that could be upgraded easily would be very successful i think
steep gust
It would also ruin a lot of nice to haves
can't make a phone water resistant if the back pops right off
trail coral
@supple bane if you look on the bottom of your phone you can unscrew both of them
mystic lodge
hello
my Bf5 recently this patch
has been stuttering insanely to the point where i cant play
is it because i have a rryzen 5 2600
i feel like my cpu is somehow taking a hit
it was fine a month ago
or do i have to reinstall the game
steep gust
roll back a gpu driver
uh make sure your overclock is actually stable if you have one
mystic lodge
i dont have one
trail coral
What is your ram frequency at
steep gust
Better question would be how much ram and dual channel?
trail coral
Doesn’t even matter if it’s single Chan or duel Chan
I’ve tested 16x1 then 16x2 and it honestly didn’t make much difference
steep gust
Yes it does
supple bane
yes, bfv hates having single channel ram
steep gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCg7eVN6N9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP8udDXeJPc
plenty of youtube videos show that dual channel wins out in average fps and the 1% and 0.1% fps (so its more stable)
Hell depending on the scene, you can see massive gains with dual channel
supple bane
talking about ram, why is bfv only using 2gb of my 16gb ram, is there a cap somewhere which i have to take off?
steep gust
Probably?
Turn up your settings
or actually get into a game if you are looking from the menu
supple bane
no its from a game
steep gust
are you using task manager?
supple bane
no, afterburner
trail coral
Please don’t say it does make a difference when you haven’t even tried it with a hq build
Not to mention ram isn’t even a big factor when it comes to bf5 it’s super intensive on cpu
steep gust
what
the fuck is a hq build?
RAM is a huge factor in any game, you don't have enough? Killed your average, 1%, and 0.1% FPS
Not enough bandwidth (ie single channel), same thing
Slow RAM but enough? Your 1% and 0.1% will be lower
single channel very clearly doesn't have enough bandwidth for BFV
trail coral
You aren’t going to utilize all 16GB of ram tho. No where near that actually
A high quality build
steep gust
yeah
you have zero clue what you are talking about
BFV easily hits 12-13GB of RAM usage for me
supple bane
i wish it would for me 
steep gust
Its never going to use all 16GB because Windows won't let it
trail coral
You are stupid
supple bane
no u
trail coral
Use hwid monitor and calculate how much is being used by the game
I have 32 and max use 7-9
steep gust
You do realize task manager and whatever shitty hardware monitor that is are identical?
steep gust
You can't calculate how much RAM its using, you can only see how much it has pulled from Windows
trail coral
Task manager calculates ram usages through out all processes
steep gust
Well you can't exactly do 12GB without shooting your RAM in its knee
trail coral
You do know that half of how ever much ram you have is dedicated to windows processes ?
trail coral
So you couldn’t even use 16
steep gust
You are literally a dumbass
Windows uses the same amount of RAM with 8GB
16GB
32GB
steep gust
What the fuck does the power plan have to do with windows processes?
Oh wait
Nothing
trail coral
Are you stupid ?
steep gust
Find me a goddamn source that shows windows will use 16GB of RAM
trail coral
Power plan decides how much resources windows and other processes will consume.
steep gust
Hell I'll test it if its pleases you that much, and it won't
No
Power plan decides how your CPU / GPU consume power
trail coral
Yes it does lmao
steep gust
You know the difference between balanced and high performance is that high performance locks your CPU to 100% freq?
trail coral
Switch from power saver to ultimate and watch ram usage
steep gust
there isn't an ultimate power plan
steep gust
I don't see ultimate
Look at that changing between balanced, high performance, and power saver only changes my CPU frequency and nothing else
steep gust
Explain to me why Windows would need 64GB of RAM?
supple bane
lets chill out lady's
steep gust
Uh so I have my hardware heavily overclocked
aka bypasses the entire power plan to begin with
because its allowed to consume as much as it wants anyways
trail coral
Doesn’t matter you should still have the option
steep gust
The Ultimate Performance plan improves speed on systems where hardware continually goes to and from an idle state. But when you’re running a game, all your hardware already works together to populate the environment around you. The only real improvement might come upon initial startup, and you might only see a boost of a couple of frames per second. However, if you are running video editing or 3D design software that are putting occasional heavy loads on your hardware, you might see more of an improvement.
So your "power plan" is worthless for gaming and just locks your hardware to 100% all the time
Great for heat
Wow I just changed to it, changed nothing
trail coral
Gpu doesn’t run at boost clocks regardless unless you are in a game
steep gust
no wow my GPU doesn't need to draw 250w to render windows?
trail coral
What gpu?
steep gust
Doesn't matter
I want a source that shows windows uses half your total RAM
and that it doesn't matter what amount you have
Because stock windows is what
3-4GB of usage?
Which can easily be reduced to nearly 1GB
steep gust
Give me a goddamn source
trail coral
Rolf
steep gust
yeah some worthless power plan that is hidden in windows has so much to do with windows RAM usage
trail coral
Imagine saying your ram is at 15-16 Gbps of usage while playing on bf5
steep gust
Imagine saying Windows can use 64GB of RAM
trail coral
When did I say that ?
steep gust
Wait, you can install windows server which allows up to what
1TB?
You said windows uses half you RAM
supple bane
when you said that windows used half ram
steep gust
I can run X299 / X399 with 128GB of RAM
trail coral
I was speaking for him because he only has 16
steep gust
I actually have 32GB
supple bane
he might mean me
steep gust
but I prefer my RAM to be faster so I just use 16GB for better performance in games
steep gust
I don't currently have BFV downloaded because its a boring ass game
Its not going to use 16GB of 16GB
because windows won't let it
But it will gladly use something like 12GB
Which again, you can't do without shooting your RAM in its knee
ooh Windows Server 2016 Datacenter allows up to 24TB of RAM
Who knew windows would use 12TB of RAM
trail coral
It’s 12-13 gb with just bf5 open?
Yes
Key word data center
With windows 16
Split between many different servers
trail coral
Key word “windows processes
steep gust
windows and windows processes means the same thing
If you are going to argue semantics I want sources
steep gust
Currently have a few different applications open and am downloading a game
5.1GB of RAM usage
Not 8GB for windows + whatever
trail coral
Downloading games has nothing to do with ram 😂😂😂😂🤦🏽♀️
steep gust
and I have Chrome open with a bunch of tabs
Its more of i'm doing slightly more than idle
If you entire argument is based on attacking me instead of providing sources you have no argument
I know you won't find a source because I tried to find one
trail coral
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about
steep gust
Hmm the Xeon 8180 (Intels flagship server CPU) supports up to 768GB of RAM per CPU
supple bane
prove him wrong if he doesnt know what he is talking about
steep gust
So why would Windows need 384GB of RAM?
trail coral
He can’t even prove himself right
supple bane
well.. he clearly just did
he has given many examples backing his point...
is that not enough
trail coral
When you have other applications open other then bf5 it will dedicate half your ram to window sprocesses like chrome and premier
Gran why are you dick riding him ?
steep gust
uh
steep gust
Chrome and Premier are not windows processes
steep gust
Adobe is not owned by Microsoft
supple bane
also im protecting him because your being a ass hat
trail coral
Doesn’t matter lmao they are still defined as windows processes
steep gust
Uh no?
trail coral
@supple bane how am I being an ass ?
supple bane
Gran why are you dick riding him ?
He can’t even prove himself right
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about
Aren’t you the retard complaint about how you can’t run bf5
supple bane
true
steep gust
This process called "Antimalware service executable" is a windows process
This process called "spotify" is not
trail coral
So how does that give him the right to do it but if I do it I’m an ass?
Your logic doesn’t make any sense
trail coral
I never said that to you wtf
steep gust
You can easily tell because one is installed to the window folder(s)
and windows will allow applications to use as much RAM as they want
If you don't have enough RAM it starts to move background tasks (ie Chrome if you have a game open) to the pagefile
sonic osprey
🍿
steep gust
But if BFV tries to load up 12GB of RAM and you only have 8GB, it'll hit the pagefile hard
pallid silo
does anyone have a nvidia card and play bf5?
gaunt depot
Assignment bug. They aren't registering. What do I do. Already repaired files on PC
supple bane
wolf, is it the same issue as what you had earlier ?
and yes i have an nvidia card and play bf
pallid silo
@supple bane okay so I found the problem.... so basically I cant use 419.35 driver to play bf5 as it crashes I have to use an older version 😛 will this hinder game performance?
@supple bane https://imgur.com/a/1kFbnZZ
supple bane
it should only have the same performance as when we did all that driver. so possible a tiny performance drop, but probs not
haughty dome
So. How do I fix pop-in issues? It's really bugging me
supple bane
pop-in?
grizzled apex
Oh, like applications popping up and preventing you to play the game
supple bane
well that sounds like a virus to me
molten bramble
Anyone tried one before? Considered getting the keyboard out of the mix and just using this.
flint locust
I know someone that uses one, but i would never use that i like my keyboard
supple bane
there isnt enough keys for me
molten bramble
Not enough keys for FPS?
Seems a bit too clickety clackity for me, but I dunno. If it was solid as a peripheral, might be able to overlook it.
grizzled apex
No, it happens to me as well, ever since I turned some windows notification on
steep gust
Nowhere near enough buttons to validate its existence
Also mesh wannabe mechanical is a big no
supple bane
i still think that that is way too over priced for a keyboard
molten bramble
Looks a bit hideous though.
Logitech’s G KBs seem like a pretty feel, quality construction.
Not sure about the carbon ones though.
supple bane
like, it is like £160 and has the exact same exact same wrist wrest as what is on my k55 which is a £50 keyboard
and let me tell you something, the wrest sucks ass, its a sweat box
dusty wagon
ik
steep gust
isn't the K95 an RGB mechanical?
molten bramble
@steep gust It seems so.
Think I might stick with Logitech in this next purchase.
supple bane
and the clips on mine have already broke off, and i have only had this for like 6 months
molten bramble
Buying m.2 500Gb for about $109 atm, going to setup the system off that.
@supple bane Which Board was that?
supple bane
the one i am using is a k55, and the wrist wrest has little clips to secure it to the keyboard, and mine have broke off already, and guess what, the k95 has the same wrest so it has the same clips
latent light
which M.2 hydra
molten bramble
@latent light Samsung 970 EVO+
latent light
that's a good deal
molten bramble
Yes, I had to get on it.
steep gust
That is a really good deal
molten bramble
It was about $200 last time I was in here, so guess they smartened up.
latent light
I paid $100 for a 250GB a year ago lol
supple bane
at least you guys have pc shops over there, in the uk its tea shops and curry houses
molten bramble
The 250Gb was for $87, but 250 more for a little bit more? Yes please.
supple bane
the nearest pc shop to me is around 100 miles away for me and doesnt even sell parts, only pre-builds
latent light
microcenter like 60 miles from me
I been there about 8 times
microcenter sales are always good
supple bane
oh ok, guess im not missing out on too much, but like i think you guys have shops with all the parts you could dream of, that isnt a thing full stop here
latent light
last time I was there was before Ryzen 2000 came out and they were selling a Ryzen 5 1600 + B350 motherboard combo for $180
and it was a good B350 at that
supple bane
see, i would like a new mobo, because my mobo only has one case fan header meaning that my fans are running off a splitter, so i have no way of checking to see if it is running at the speed i want it to, but it works so its the sort of want/need sort of thing
supple bane
oh ye, i didnt even think of one of those
supple bane
would that have full control over the fans ?
latent light
SilverStone Technology Silverstone 8-Port PWM Fan Hub/Splitter for 4-Pin & 3-Pin Fans in Black SST-CPF04-USA
I think so
supple bane
PWM 4pin header x 8, compatible with 3pin cable (Speed control function is unavailable for 3 pin fans. Attached 3 pin fans will run at maximum RPM).
latent light
- Support speed detection for accurately controlling fans
dusty wagon
what about the elgato stream deck
supple bane
thats something very similar to what i have now
steep gust
just get a cheap hub
supple bane
its just, my feelings are that the header should be receiving the right amount of power for one fan, but you are running two, so lets say that for example you have two exact fans, if you had these surely both fans would only be able to 50% because of the lack of power
steep gust
Generally no
The fans will try to draw what they need through the fan header
Its why you are not suppose to put more than 2 fans on one header using a splitter (if its a 1 amp header)
supple bane
oh ok, i thought there would have been a resistor or something that supplies just the right amount of power for one fan
molten bramble
@latent light Agreed, their sale prices are typically on point, but their normal store prices are a bit meh.
grizzled apex
Honestly though, the real difference between m.2 SSDs and sata SSDs are really a small margin of performace
steep gust
There is zero difference between a M.2 SATA drive and 2.5" SATA drive
NVMe m.2 destroys SATA in sequential read / writes
grizzled apex
Too bad my WiFi sucks. If only I had Ethernet
steep gust
I have a PC and no ethernet because I can't run it
minor turret
@latent light would need fancy fanhub with third party software or have low tier cpu cooler with only 1 fan
otherwise no seperate control for case fans and cpu fans
steep gust
uh you normally have two CPU headers
So just plug your case fans into the hub
and the cpu fans into the well
cpu header
minor turret
2 cpu headers in premium motherboards
if he is complaining over 1 case fan header im guessing its not very high end
steep gust
even my cheapest mobo had a cpu fan header and a cpu fan optional
grizzled apex
The problem is that my house is fairly old (built in 1999) and Ethernet wasn’t the most popular yet since the internet was starting to become a thing. So I ended up moving my desktop into my room which has no Ethernet but I was wondering if I should get a wireless extender? Mind my house is so old that we also have an apple basestation
steep gust
even if you managed to have ethernet, it'd be slower than wifi
due to the age of the cables
grizzled apex
I mean the WiFi’s fine now (we have 22mbps upload and 5mbps download) but WiFi always cuts out for whatever reason and it annoys me
But what can you do about it
Anyone got recommendations on a cheap sub 75$ mechanical keyboard with a quiet switch
supple bane
my mobo is the hm110m-k just if you are wondering, so its not he most high of the range mobo out there
grizzled apex
Actually it was 55 upload and 6 download but still
supple bane
you mentioned that your house is old, my house is roughly the same age and the internet is fine, i would say its more something to do with the area you live in, i get 120mgbs download and 10 upload
steep gust
Its also the most budget you can get budget to be