How many businesses use laptops to render?
#technology
steep gust
noble steeple
Business laptops usually use integrated GPUs
steep gust
vs using them for emails, etc
noble steeple
Or have low-end dedicated GPUs
prime jasper
This is a workstation-class laptop aimed at big busnisses.
It can hold up to a 6 core, 5GHz XEON
that stays boosted to 5GHz, too.
storm osprey
WX7100
steep gust
Yeah bet
steep gust
What fucking Xeon boosts to 5.0ghz?
noble steeple
We have WS laptops
prime jasper
on all 6 cores.
steep gust
I know exactly three intel CPUs with stock boost clocks on 5.0ghz
prime jasper
sorry, 4.9GHz.
prime jasper
steep gust
I know exactly zero intel CPUs with an all core boost on 4.9ghz
prime jasper
@storm osprey that
isn't the GPU I'm using.
That's, what, an RX 550 equivalent?
noble steeple
Their graphics are integrated CPU GPUs, they rarely have a dedicated card but pack a lot of ram
steep gust
Max turbo 4.8ghz try again
noble steeple
And cost ~2-3k bucks each
prime jasper
you're comparing cards 5 slots apart.
noble steeple
prime jasper
@noble steeple Used M6800, $200.
WX7100 MXM on ebay, $320.
@storm osprey You're comparing what is eessentially a GT 1030 or GTX 1050
to an GTX 1070.
storm osprey
youre right, theres no one gaming on these anywhere
prime jasper
That's how far apart these GPUs are.
steep gust
I want to know of the laptop CPU that boosts to 4.9 / 5.0ghz across all cores stock
prime jasper
The WX7100 is based on the Polaris 10 or 20 chip and offers 2304 shaders like the older AMD Radeon RX 480 (Polaris 10) or newer Radeon RX 580 (Polaris 20). ```Since the 9900k, 8086k, and 9990XE don't
storm osprey
im sorry, im trying to find anyone using this for gaming
prime jasper
@steep gust ... you do realise that Dell bumped the TDP on the 7730
and brought all boost to 4.9
@storm osprey Because they don'
t.
steep gust
That isn't how TDP works at all
prime jasper
@steep gust they bumped the fucking TDP limit
steep gust
4.9ghz on a locked CPU is impossible
noble steeple
"I know how PCs work, i visited /tech/ once"
steep gust
Increasing the TDP limit lets it maintain higher boost clocks for longer
prime jasper
The OEMs are free to change TDP limits.
They're free to boost the clocks on them too.
noble steeple
God, you're awful at baiting mang
prime jasper
I'm not baiting, at all.
steep gust
Frequency is locked
prime jasper
@storm osprey Go look at the official AMD specs sheet for this GPU.
steep gust
OEMs don't get to change that
prime jasper
It is a WX7100.
storm osprey
specs sheet means nothing
storm osprey
no its not
prime jasper
...
The WX7100 is based on the Polaris 10 or 20 chip and offers 2304 shaders like the older AMD Radeon RX 480 (Polaris 10) or newer Radeon RX 580 (Polaris 20).
The WX7100 is the same GPU core as an RX 580.
storm osprey
its BASED doesnt mean it IS
prime jasper
It is.
steep gust
So how do you get a 200w+ VRM into a laptop
prime jasper
Hell
storm osprey
you dont understand words...
prime jasper
Here,
prime jasper
THAT'S an actual WX7100
If you compare those FPS numbers to an RX 580...
:chinscratch:
storm osprey
noble steeple
@steep gust Don't you love the smell of a burning 4.9+ GHz laptop CPU in the morning?
prime jasper
And the FirePro cards offer a "gaming" mode
noble steeple
prime jasper
@storm osprey that's what I just linked, yes
storm osprey
rx 580 will easily play over 60 fps on OW
storm osprey
of course he does
prime jasper
do
do I need to go get my fucking stash of WX7100s
and do a livestream
to prove it to your thick ass?
noble steeple
The only difference between Workstation CPUs and Gaming CPUs are the software they use to address themselves
storm osprey
please do it
storm osprey
because the only video playing a game with this thing you say has vsync on
prime jasper
They're the same GPUs, they just do ECC shit
storm osprey
and i dont see anywhere where it shows vsync
prime jasper
and some extra stuff addeed to their drivers
storm osprey
@prime jasper where does it say its using vsync
steep gust
So the E2186M might be unlocked, the Intel page says nothing
But even if it is, its an 8700k
So hitting 5.0ghz takes a lot more voltage (Its gonna be pulling like 150w) and not all 8700k can hit 5.0ghz
prime jasper
@storm osprey It doesn't.
steep gust
Also do you not understand how GPUs are powered?
storm osprey
so you just lied?
steep gust
Okay
prime jasper
no
steep gust
So it has a desktop GPU
prime jasper
I never said it did on battery.
prime jasper
yes.
prime jasper
On battery, it stays at around 2.8GHz all-core, or 4.9GHz single-core
steep gust
So quit bullshitting
prime jasper
and the GPU stays at 200MHz idle
steep gust
See the massive VRM?
prime jasper
Sure do.
storm osprey
this guy....
red ingot
U tell him @storm osprey
prime jasper
You do have to keep in mind, though, that this laptop is massive. And that they use only the best bins for laptop cards.
To crank voltage as low as possible while remaining at stock clocks
steep gust
uh
prime jasper
I think the WX7100 in the 7730 uses 40W less than a standard 580, at the same clocks.
I know mine does, at least according to GPU-Z.
steep gust
The best bins get sold off in CPUs like the 9990XE
steep gust
There is a reason laptops run lower clocks
prime jasper
This one doesn't.
steep gust
but it fucking does
storm osprey
hmm, rx 580 gets 90 fps on very high settings
steep gust
You said it does
prime jasper
... on the GPU, no, it doesn't.
steep gust
I mean "Oh it runs 50mhz lower"
prime jasper
@storm osprey VSync.
steep gust
Your words
prime jasper
@steep gust yes, the WX7100 in general
storm osprey
you have nothing to prove vsync is on
prime jasper
not because it's in a lap[top
storm osprey
youre literally lying
storm osprey
proof?
prime jasper
Check the description.
storm osprey
you said he doesnt say its on anywhere
steep gust
Yes and an extra 50mhz on my GPU would make it the most golden 1080 to ever exist
prime jasper
...
steep gust
Just the parts
storm osprey
System Specs:
AMD R7 1700 CPU at stock speeds with factory cooler
ASRock AB350M PRO4 Motherboard
AMD PRO WX7100 GPU (+WX5100 in system not used here)
32GB DDR4 2400 RAM Memory
SSD for game loading
7200 HDD for video capture.
This system was built for workstation function first and gaming second. This is why nothing is overclocked. For 1080P60 gaming, it's plenty. It's been a while since I played Overwatch. I started to lose that muscle memory, time to build it back up.```
where does it mention v sync?"played at 60FPS"
it's locked to 60FPS.
It NEVER goes above 60FPS in the video, or below.
zUnless this GPU is reaching exactly 60FPS
storm osprey
lol that does not mean its vsync
prime jasper
it is vsynced.
steep gust
uh yeah that laptop is like $2500
storm osprey
that means i can do 60 fps
steep gust
Not $500
prime jasper
@steep gust uh
that isn't the laptop I linked
this is the laptop we've been talking about.
This is entirely unrelated to what I first linked.
prime jasper
The laptop I first linked has a fucking Haswell i7
We've been talking about this XEON laptop.
steep gust
The one that adding the Xeon is like +$400?
prime jasper
...
that isn't
what
I linked
on whjat
I was
buying.
or selling.
I use M6800s right now.
storm osprey
you cant even see the fps counter....
steep gust
I also haven't got a proper page for the laptop
I just scrolled up a bunch of find it and that was it
coarse nimbus
you can type on one line its ok
storm osprey
youve effectively proven nothing...
red ingot
No that's too hard for him
storm osprey
im off work
prime jasper
Okay.
I'll have one in my hands soon to show you, you fucking dumbass who can't even understand how a computer works.
red ingot
steep gust
Give me the goddamn laptop page
red ingot
🍿
prime jasper
Considering I work with these machines for a living, I might know how they owrk, but I'll just show ya.
@steep gust I did.
prime jasper
yes.
red ingot
steep gust
Yeah not $500
prime jasper
That also isn't the laptop I was talking about that was $500.
You dumb fuck.
as I said, 5 times
entirely unrelated machine.
steep gust
I want the $500 laptop you mentioned earlier
red ingot
you dumb fuck
prime jasper
Go to a business reseller, ask for an M6800.
red ingot
Well that's not nice
prime jasper
They'll sell ones without GPU or storage for $200, with display & CPU & RAM & chassis & battery
buy a WX7100 for $320.
Put the WX7100 into the laptop.
coarse nimbus
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storm osprey
says the guy who think laptop components are 1:1 to desktop
coarse nimbus
calm down there kiddo
red ingot
prime jasper
they are for the most part, yes.
red ingot
brings out hammer
prime jasper
Workstation ones, at least.
red ingot
🔨
storm osprey
makes even more sense
steep gust
Also that CPU is garbage in the M6800
prime jasper
ok
steep gust
3.1ghz max turbo
steep gust
2c 4t
prime jasper
what fucking m6800 are you looking at
I'm looking at one with a 4910MQ that I got for $200.
steep gust
The one on eBay for $200
prime jasper
And overclocked to 4GHz.
storm osprey
are those desktop levels of oc on a laptop?
storm osprey
prime jasper
4910MQ, I overclocked by 100MHz to 4GHz all-core.
steep gust
3.7ghz across all cores and I found nothing about it being unlocked
prime jasper
@steep gust ok.
steep gust
100mhz overclock
prime jasper
Doesn't have to be unlocked.,
steep gust
Yes it does
prime jasper
Nope, not in this machine.
prime jasper
M6800 allows you to overclock & modify voltage of whatever CPU you throw in it.
storm osprey
adios yagman
prime jasper
At least, the i7s I've tried.
red ingot
Ono
steep gust
Do you not understand how CPU multipliers fucking work?
storm osprey
yea im off work
prime jasper
Intel hasn't really used the K naming scheme in laptops either, at least not Haswell.
red ingot
storm osprey
i got paid to listen to this nonsense
storm osprey
im not gonna bother on my own time
steep gust
I want a source
prime jasper
...
red ingot
XD
steep gust
Because I can't find anything on them being unlocked
prime jasper
ok
red ingot
Bye nyphon
steep gust
Then find me a page that stats it
steep gust
yes it does
steep gust
Literally on your goddamn source
prime jasper
allows you to go up to 50 iirc
steep gust
It would be interesting to see how many Haswell CPU's are affected this way, including desktop ones.
with a base clock that can't be modified, 100./
@steep gust ok, then that's a laptop that did use such an exploit.
Dell M6800, offers it in their UEFI page.
steep gust
and he modded a laptop BIOS to support it
prime jasper
Literally a "CPU Multiplier" option.
steep gust
and at best from the source you posted they can increase it by 2
So you go from like 3800mhz to 4000mhz
Which is like
3% performance?
for easily 20w more
prime jasper
actually
it's still at around 50W.
I undervolted too :)
I got lucky with both my laptop and desktops, my desktop has an undervolted 4790k at 0.96v
steep gust
and let me guess this laptop also found you the next Mersenne prime for like $10000
prime jasper
no clue what that is.
I know it has an RX 580 equivalent in it, same clocks & memory & etc, and a 4910MQ
prime jasper
It stays at those clocks too.
Just has to be plugged in.
On battery, you can force clocks
but then it dies in 45 minutes.
steep gust
and yet look at my 1080 boosting to 2000mhz out of the box 
Guess I need to RMA it must be broken
prime jasper
With more laptop clocks on battery it lasts 2 hours
and I can hotswap batteries too.
Without powering down.
steep gust
oh and if I let it run really hot it downclocks a bunch
steep gust
look up how GPU boosting works
prime jasper
I know how GPU boosting works, thanks.
steep gust
Good, so you realize that if you dropped another 10C you can easily boost higher
prime jasper
I also know that I ran the laptop for 9 hours straight, without powering down, on battery
at 100% load
and no
that isn't how boosting works, at least on AMD cards.
They have a max boost.
They don't go above that boost no matter what, without you modifying the VBIOS/etc.
steep gust
So do NVidia cards
prime jasper
They DO NOT and WILL NOT go above a certain boost clock, AKA. what they say the boost clock is
without you modifying it.
I ran it for 9 fucking hours straight on battery at 1200MHz on the GPU
running 3DMark and/or Unigine
steep gust
This is a desktop GPU right?
steep gust
okay so lets do some math
prime jasper
Which has the same specs as an RX 580.
Granted, I had 200W of batteries in the laptop
and hot-swapped batteries every 45 minutes/.
so when one battery drained, I swapped it
steep gust
130W TDP
steep gust
Its drawing 10-11 amps
prime jasper
The CPU heatsink + fan is rated for up to 95W.
Quite a bit of overhead, with a 580 & 50W CPU in there
I mean, I have a air cooler here that is rated for 400W
I can shove it in the laptop onto the 580 and cool it to ambient temps
and it still won't boost above 1200MHz.
prime jasper
yeah.
These are 100wH batteries, 2 of them in the laptop.
I can hotswap.
There are 2 batteries.
steep gust
So you can run a GPU for less than one hour
prime jasper
I switched one of the HDDs/ODDs with the battery.
Well duh, it's a laptop. It can keep the GPU there and CPU, but it can't do it for long on battery.
steep gust
No
prime jasper
Yes.
steep gust
You said 100% GPU load for 9 hours on battery
steep gust
No one battery
steep gust
charging the batteries and swapping them is not off the battery
steep gust
You are literally just moving the power cable to the battery
prime jasper
I keep like 8 batteries in my drawer.
prime jasper
Off of the two batteries in the laptop, without charging
you can run the laptop for about 9-10 hours on low loads
or an hour to two on high loads.
steep gust
You can run 100% load for less than two hours
prime jasper
Yep.
prime jasper
Mhmm.
steep gust
So tell me how do you do 9 hours off the battery? I mean charging the batteries is just plugging it into the wall with extra steps
prime jasper
... I charge the battery, or I keep a shit-load of batteries on me.
I've got a laptop bag with 4 of them.
coarse nimbus
why would you not just plug the laptop in...
upbeat crypt
I just overclocked my CPU from stock 3.3 to 4.2 ghz and its like lightning fast now just opening programs and everything. gonna try out a game.
cause i been getting BSOD when i run BFV at all stock settings. Maybe OC might actually help my cause.
so far so good
prime jasper
@coarse nimbus No outlet available?
Unless you want to plug the laptop into my car's battery.
steep gust
@upbeat crypt uh yeah if you BSOD at stock, overclocking is not going to help
Also what CPU has a boost clock of 3.3ghz?
I'm guessing you are on Rzyen, which means it was boosting to like 3.9ghz before anyways
upbeat crypt
nope
coarse nimbus
but you said you were swapping out and charging batteries at the same time
prime jasper
@coarse nimbus ... in my fucking test yes
steep gust
So you plug the batteries into the wall
upbeat crypt
Cores 8 Threads 8 Name AMD FX-8300 Code Name Vishera Package Socket AM3+ (942) Technology 32nm Specification AMD FX-8300 Eight-Core Processor Fan Speed 1470 RPM Bus Speed 200.7 MHz Rated Bus Speed 2408.0 MHz Stock Core Speed 3600 MHz Stock Bus Speed 200 MHz Average Temperature 35 °C Caches L1 Data Cache Size 8 x 16 KBytes L1 Instructions Cache Size 4 x 64 KBytes L2 Unified Cache Size 4 x 2048 KBytes L3 Unified Cache Size 8192 KBytes
prime jasper
oh god
steep gust
oof FX
prime jasper
that piece of shit
coarse nimbus
you dont have to ping constantly 
steep gust
wow so would most people
upbeat crypt
wonderful
Memory Type DDR3 Size 32768 MBytes Channels # Dual DRAM Frequency 936.5 MHz CAS# Latency (CL) 10 clocks RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD) 11 clocks RAS# Precharge (tRP) 10 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) 30 clocks Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 42 clocks Physical Memory Memory Usage 24 % Total Physical 32 GB Available Physical 24 GB Total Virtual 133 GB Available Virtual 122 GB
not really terrible
setup over all
prime jasper
no no it is terrible
upbeat crypt
its 5 years old
prime jasper
anything with an FX CPU is hot garbage.
upbeat crypt
what do you expect
prime jasper
It was terrible 5 years ago.
lofty light
prime jasper
Seriously, FX series CPU was trash
upbeat crypt
lol.
steep gust
Some of the FX chips still hold their weight
lofty light
I mean, if it works 🤷
dusty grail
upbeat crypt
thats nice
steep gust
yeah dude stop your bullshit
prime jasper
...
Intel was cheaper during Vishera's reign.
You paid less for the CPU, but the boards costed so much more as you needed overclocking to even compete.
And you needed a third-party cooler, as well, which added even more cost
upbeat crypt
Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
Model M5A97 R2.0 (Socket 942)
prime jasper
and negated the differences in CPU costs.
prime jasper
no.
steep gust
Tell me
prime jasper
Not like that, at all.
steep gust
What Intel CPU beats the 2700x at $250?
prime jasper
an FX 8350, in 2014, may have been $169.99 vs an i5-4440 for $199.
upbeat crypt
im in Canada. Everything is double.
prime jasper
But, a cooler would be +$30 to the 8350
@steep gust I never said any did?
Ryzen is great.
steep gust
at least its unlocked
prime jasper
Vishera isn't.
YOu'd be an idiot to buy Vishera at any point in time, unless it was $30 for an 8350.
Power hungry, poor performance, and in a lot of tasks was really just 4 cores
steep gust
uh the 8350 is unlocked
steep gust
and not how that works
prime jasper
You'd need overclocking to even get CLOSE to the performance of an i5/i7*
steep gust
So Vishera is unlocked
prime jasper
Otherwise, even i3s were faster.
upbeat crypt
lol.
steep gust
Also the FX lineup was not built for gaming
prime jasper
Unless you overclock your 8350 to 6GHz, it isn't touching a similarly priced Haswell of the time.
It wasn't built for anything.
It was terrible at compute because of shared FPUs.
steep gust
Not exactly
upbeat crypt
lol
prime jasper
It sure was.
steep gust
It had a bunch of architectural issues other than the shared FPU
prime jasper
An i5 with half the "cores" was just as fast
well yes
but that's one of the big issues.
steep gust
and in certain workloads FX shit all over Intel
latent light
like can I take out my hard drive that contains the games while leaving in my SSD that has the OS
steep gust
or that works
coarse nimbus
you wouldnt even have to take out the hdd though
latent light
yeah I was going to remove it keep it from doing that
seems like I can just transfer all the things I want to keep to my HDD that I will remove before reinstalling windows
fallen harbor
guys
anyone wanna help me connect my psu to my mobo? got some new connections i havent had before and i dont want to fuck it up
steep gust
The connectors go into the matching holes
fallen harbor
yeah but there are many
steep gust
Let me guess semi-modular PSU?
fallen harbor
that can go to many holes
steep gust
Pretty much just match the holes
The 8 pin you connect to your motherboard would go in one of the PCIe / CPU power holes (the 8 pin connectors on the PSU)
24pin ATX has one possible hole
etc
fallen harbor
there are just multiple that match
the very big one is obvious
but then theres thw other that goes to the mobo too
that is 8 here, but theres none with 8 from the psu, there are some that are together as 6+2, and others that are 4+4
i would send pics but this channel wont allow it
steep gust
4+4 would go to the CPU (motherboard)
6+2 is for GPUs
What hole you connect them in the PSU doesn't matter
fallen harbor
so uh the question now is which to the left and which to thw right
steep gust
uh doesn't really matter
fallen harbor
pretty sure?
fallen harbor
with my previous pc, it would boot only if i connected the two in an specific order on the gpu
fallen harbor
but maybe it can screw shit up
by doing it wrong
also how do you do to place the metalic plate at the back while screwing the mobo i find it very hard t handle
steep gust
It should have some guides for the mounting holes on the mobo
molten coral
Metallic plate at the back? 
steep gust
I would try to mount the cooler outside of the case, or at least the standoff for it
A lot of coolers have a metal backplate with some kind of washer to not short stuff
molten coral
Also @fallen harbor just send me the pics on the forumfield server
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oh right
fallen harbor
im not talking about the cooler
oh right what?
oh its u
didnt know you were THAT nacho
molten coral
latent light
@fallen harbor cables should be labelled
most psu cables I seen shows "Motherboard" "PCI-E" and "CPU" labelled near the connection ends
lofty light
Don't use PSU cables from different brands btw
That's a very easy way to kill all your parts
(ala science studio back in the day)
upbeat crypt
overlock working nicely. no more BSOD
latent light
lol
lofty light
👌 noice
fallen harbor
so
the pc turns on and turns off and turns on and turns off etc
idk what i did wrong
im dying
storm osprey
Just reseat everything
red trellis
Discord can do the game crash? I play 5 rounds in rush without discord but with the crash in the 2nd round
latent light
how would this even be possible though
they don't even have a big graphics team, not even as big as Radeon
lofty light
Intel has been poaching a lot of peeps from AMD for it
But tbh I'm more excited for Apple making their own desktop chips
latent light
Intel has 10x the amount of R&D budget that both AMD and Nvidia have
if AMD sold Radeon to Intel, it would demolish Nvidia within a couple years
since Intel could afford the development required
upbeat crypt
Vega 64 out of stock everywhere
😦
(i had a 2070, returned it, p.o.s. like so many other people with issues with theirs.)
lofty light
Yeah I was pretty cautious about the 2080ti's with all the DOA news on them but mine has been a trooper under water
sonic osprey
never past 50c at 2025-2055 mhz and ram at 8000mhz, should install the new afterburner though, think it raises the mem overclock limit
fossil dune
anyone experiencing huge stutter spikes when spawning in and im combat sometimes with both dlss+rtx on or off ? fps never dips below 60
prime jasper
the two reasons i don't play bfV is
1: i get like 40 fps on a 64 player game so either need more ram or better internet lol (yes i have ethernet, 8 gb ram) (or just a better computer but i'm currently broke lol)
2: I don't got any irl friends who play it lol
very sad 😦
yeah 8GB is about bare minimum for this game. I dont have any IRL friends who play it either but Ive found peeps on here
violet plank
fallen harbor
guys uh
after seating everything on the case, should i do anything before being able to use my previous hdd or something?
must the mobo drivers be installed before that somehow?
because it wont detect any of my hdds or usb
prime jasper
did you install the drivers yet?
fallen harbor
idk how to install anything without access to my hdd
prime jasper
oh so windows hasnt even installed yet?
fallen harbor
i said the mobo wont recognize any hdd
windows is installed in one of the hdds, its the one ive been using in my previous pc
prime jasper
make sure the power/sata cables are seated correctly then go into BIOS and see if you see the drives there
fallen harbor
drivers for what sorry
prime jasper
not there? strange...which mobo is it?
fallen harbor
b360m ds3h
prime jasper
does that drive have Windows 7 or 10 on it?
prime jasper
look at these options Storage Boot Option Control
Allows you to select whether to enable the UEFI or legacy option ROM for the storage device controller.
Do not launch Disables option ROM.
Legacy Enables legacy option ROM only.
UEFI Enables UEFI option ROM only. (Default)
USB Support
Disabled All USB devices are disabled before the OS boot process completes.
Full Initial All USB devices are functional in the operating system and during the POST.
Partial Initial Part of the USB devices are disabled before the OS boot process completes. (Default)
This item is configurable only when Fast Boot is set to Enabled. This function is disabled when Fast Boot is set to Ultra Fast.
SATA Support
Last Boot HDD Only Except for the previous boot drive, all SATA devices are disabled before the OS boot process completes. (Default)
All Sata Devices All SATA devices are functional in the operating system and during the POST.
This item is configurable only when Fast Boot is set to Enabled or Ultra Fast.
found them from the manual
fallen harbor
dunno what all of this is supposed to mean tbh
prime jasper
enable legacy option ROM, enable full initial all USB and do All Sata Devices option
fallen harbor
trying to find that but seems hard
prime jasper
look in your manual and it probably has pictures to help you find it
fallen harbor
the manual only says where to physically connect the other pieces
it says nothing about software
prime jasper
thats really odd, heres what I found and it explains it all https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B360M-DS3H-rev-10#support-manual
fallen harbor
cant find that there tbh
prime jasper
literally where I copy/pasted from lol its the larger manual version 1001
storm osprey
@fallen harbor still having pc problems?
deep raft
Any cpu pins bent?
fallen harbor
no, just checked
deep raft
I am gonna assume you tried different hdds and ssds
storm osprey
wait, so youre getting to the bios?
but it stops after that?
fallen harbor
i did
all i can do is get to the bios
then nothing
if i go to the sata list, my hdd is there, but it wont show up in the boot priority list
storm osprey
these are all new parts right?
fallen harbor
yes except for the hdds
(been using the hdds till literally yesterday)
(in my previous build)
storm osprey
how are you installing windows?
fallen harbor
windows is already installed, its the same drive ive been using
storm osprey
reinstall
fallen harbor
however i also have a pendrive with w10 in it with rufus and the mobo wont detect that either
latent light
Could the SATA ports be faulty?
lofty ridge
it it goes to BIOS but doesnt go past, doesnt pick up usb, or boot from HDD/SSD but they are detected. And cpu is fine, id suspect mobo issue
minor turret
could be issue with UEFI bios not liking MBR boot partition no?
disabling secure boot, enabling legacy should help
and check if you are in AHCI or non AHCI mode for drives
if you change that setting you need to reformat windows partition iirc
fallen harbor
i am taking the parts back to the store
for them to check and configure them for me
fuck it tbh
i feel lame
and i forced the pcie slot trying to remove the gpu because the clip is fucking retarded and cant be seen when the gpu is plugged
minor turret
holy shit ryzen 2 most likely released between may 1st and 30th
fallen harbor
so i fear i already damaged anything
minor turret
pretty unlikely you broke something unless you broke a pin or something
in which case it wouldnt show up in bios list
storm osprey
^
minor turret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_txU-02Cak ayy, you can hit 5ghz barrier with ryzen
all you need is some liquid nitrogen
sonic osprey
meanwhile intel pushes 7.6ghz with ln2
minor turret
ez 5.4ghz
steep gust
I found a 1080ti for $50 on eBay and the reviewer has 100% positive feedback
Think I should risk it then return it when I get scammed
upbeat crypt
No
steep gust
I mean buyer pays return
So all I would lose is $50 for like a week
I'm going to do it I can see why not 
Its not worth getting your 19 year old eBay account banned for $50 tbh
storm osprey
it says its working?
steep gust
Used: An item that has been used previously. The item may have some signs of cosmetic wear, but is fully operational and functions as intended. This item may be a floor model or store return that has been used. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections```so yes
and it says lightly used
storm osprey
if that is legit, at 50 bucks thats a deal of a century
steep gust
if it doesn't work should I take the cooler off and put my broken one on it
I may have mildly broke a wire repasting the GPU on the 5 pin RGB header
Now the feedback is super generic, but still that ebay account is ancient to risk on a scam
Ordered it lets see
storm osprey
i wonder if they think its a super old gpu since we are on 20xx now
and they are like "damn this is 10 generations old, just look at this 1660 ti"
sonic osprey
if the PCB is in working order, just waterblock it
steep gust
No I have a 1080 with a broken rgb cable
Same cooler and if I get scammed then you can't really tell I replaced them
latent light
steep gust
Should be here next week, It be amazing if it's legit
I won't even have to remove the cooler since the 1080 is a 8+6 pin and the 1080ti is a 8+8
And you cant really make a Vega64 look like a 1080ti
latent light
Threadripper is just higher clocked Epyc but with quad-channel instead of octa-channel
is there a difference in PCIe lanes?
thing I want to see with 3rd gen threadripper is LN2 overclocking
7nm is roughly 40% more power efficient than 12nm
14nm to 12nm is like 5-10% difference in efficiency
maybe not even that
latent light
is there any benefit cooling wise to the seperate dies
like how the I/O die and chiplet die are spread out
steep gust
chipset doesn't get hot
and you might see some advantages with the IMC being away from the cores (it doesn't like getting hot and won't be next to the parts that get hot), but it probably won't do much
Also its impossible to test since they are moving to chiplets in one go with a new architect
steep gust
SunnyCove is using the 3D whatever IIRC
latent light
interesting design
will be near impossible to delid since you got those resistors around the dies and also the solder to make it even harder
steep gust
SunnyCove will have an increased IPC (4 to 5), more cache, and other stuff
But its gonna be Skylake 2.0 on 10nm
even Intel admits its similar to skylake
latent light
3rd gen ryzen is supposed to get double the cache supposedly
latent light
yeah
steep gust
If the rumors of a 16c are real
latent light
the extra room for another 8 core chiplet
we will have to wait and see
what I'm thinking is that extra room can be used for either another chiplet or maybe a iGPU
steep gust
Dunno
The 2400g is not a chiplet
It would be useful as hell tho, they could even stick some memory on the iGPU
latent light
steep gust
a iGPU with like 1GB of VRAM would be great for laptops
latent light
3rd gen Ryzen needs improved DRAM cycle latency
steep gust
It will never be like Intel
Extreme kits with some tweaking can get to around 40ns in latency
but Rzyen has the infinity fabric, so its always gonna have extra latency
latent light
wait last pic doesn't show dram latency
i7-8700K barely beats out the Ryzen 7 2700X in L1 cache
steep gust
Intel also has had years to perfect the cache
L1 cache is by far the fastest and nearest to the core
latent light
yep
steep gust
and since its smallest, its probably on each 'die'
latent light
I watched a 40 minute video on this subject, was simplified in some aspects
we may see double the L1 cache with 3rd gen ryzen but not sure
higher possibility that it will be just L2 and L3 that's doubled
sonic osprey
9900k L1 cache is 512kb, L2 2mb, L3 16mb, but I think that is total so per core its less
steep gust
Advertised cache is total
Bring back L4 cache when
It was great for benchmarks and nothing more
steep gust
but cache isn't the only important thing and its pretty useless to look at on its own
latent light
lol
latent light
Windows 10 uses a scheduler that is two generations older than Linux
steep gust
Pretty sure my phone has a better scheduler than Windows
latent light
steep gust
You know since it has cores with reduced power
latent light
ye
latent light
my phone is octo-core, 4 cores are the "background" cores that are clocked at 1.4 Ghz and the other 4 are the main cores at 2.1 GHz
latent light
yes
steep gust
You can see how a ringbus beats out the infinity fabric
steep gust
I wonder how Intel will do the ringbus with SunnyCove
Skylake IPC is 4
So it could have been some other thing that changed IPC since there is a lot more than just IPC going on
We all wish CPUs were simply IPC / frequency : (
latent light
I hear intel is planning on 10nm CPUs this year but for mobile
steep gust
I just know we took a rock, flatten it, and pump it full of electrons to do math
aka magic
Intel already has a single 10nm mobile CPU
I think Desktop 10nm is suppose to be out this year, but it was suppose to be out in 2015
At least we have a proper architecture now with details about it
Also 10nm means literally nothing about anything on the CPU
Transistors aren't 10nm, etc
Its just some dumb shit they came up with, I can't remember exactly how they decide when to go from 14nm++++++ to 10nm but BuildZoid did say when I was talking to him on Discord
steep gust
The new 10nm ice Lake processors will come to market in high volume in 2019. These chips come with a 2.7X density improvement over the 14nm process that Intel currently uses for its processors. The long-overdue 10nm process should let Intel create cheaper and more power efficient chips as a byproduct of the improved density.
So who is ready for IceLake+++ in 2024
steep gust
I think Haswell-E used a ringbus for a 10 core CPU
So intel could possibly do it on 14nm
It would be a furnace
but its possible
latent light
I notice that the cooler you want your hardware to be, the hotter your room will be
steep gust
meh
The tiny ass space heater I have is rated to like
1600w?
My hardware at max load is like 450w and is right beside a window
I killed an extension strip once by plugging a space heater and my PC into it
latent light
radiators do put off a lot of heat, which is why I don't want one especially during summer
steep gust
Fun fact extension strips that are like 10 years old do not have OCP or OTP and will just melt until it breaks
Pretty sure the outlet cover was burnt due to how fucking hot the wire was getting (insulation works great at keeping heat in)
latent light
I want to get one of those outlet battery backups
steep gust
I think the current extension strip I'm using is only rated to like 1200w 15a or something weak
15a might be an issue if I upgrade my monitor and CPU + GPU
steep gust
ye it looks like you plug it into the wall then plug into it
latent light
yeah
supple bane
i have a really cheap extension cord hehe, and i have my whole room running off it at once, thats my pc, both monitors, router, printer, rgb lighting, my phone charger, so im surprised this hasnt blown up
steep gust
Some UPS detect a load drop then turn on, instead of just being it outlet -> battery -> PC
latent light
lol
steep gust
So cheaper ones won't stop your PC shutting off during outages
prime jasper
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16842301699 I have this one, works really nice
latent light
even if my pc is consuming 300w?
supple bane
i mean i dont really get outages ngl, i live in a brand new house in the middle of a city, so the chances are slim
steep gust
Taking forever to load on my end
okay that is just a product search and not a calculator
fuck off google
Looks like maybe 20-30 minutes
latent light
I get power outages during thunderstorms
supple bane
in fact, i take what i said back, i have two really cheap cords, my main block isnt long enough to reach the outlet so i brought another cheap one, so its drawing all the power of my setup though one socket XD
steep gust
VA is V*A
So just take your amperage and multiple by 120v
W=V*A so you can work backwords if needed
prime jasper
youll want a sine wave UPS, pure sine wave will allow active PFC power supplies to run at maximum efficiency and minimize the chance of shutting down when switching to battery power.
latent light
I just need enough time to shut down my pc properly during an outage lol
I don't like it when it cuts off instantly
steep gust
lol I had three power outages (first ones in years) in 45 minutes
it was just enough to shut everything off
Was deleting something off my SSD when it happened, nothing got damaged thankfully
latent light
it's not supposed to be bad for your pc if power cuts off randomly but I think that's what killed my old psu
supple bane
grim would you notice if you have a power outage tho.. if it keeps it up for that 20 mins
supple bane
i guess
latent light
yeah everything in my house goes off during an outage (obviously)
even internet
because the modem loses power
maybe I could get a battery backup for the modem lol
although it might not work
because when my power goes out, usually everyone else on the grid does too
which means the DSL lines might be out of power
supple bane
i dont think i would notice ngl, i rarley have my lights on and my wifi runs off the same block as my pc, i guess maybe i would hear the ups, but if i have my headset on idk how loud they are
prime jasper
they are quite loud, at least tripp lite and APC are
steep gust
Also they probably beep when turning on
prime jasper
that they do
supple bane
thats a good point
steep gust
I don't know about your ISP
It depends on how hard the grid comes down
but if its just a tiny power outage, they have UPSs to keep the equipment up
Since if you think your modem / router takes forever to reboot and get back up when losing power
Just wait until you see enterprise equipment
latent light
one time my power went out for 30 seconds but my internet didn't come back on for 2 days
supple bane
im glad that i moved house tbh, like my old house just had shocking connection, like i tried many routers but it was just the area, like i had to make a satellite dish thing out of tin foil so i could even connect in my bed room
steep gust
big oof
supple bane
i made a tin foil dish and put it behind it and it worked sort of
steep gust
The current house I live in ran ethernet to each rooms (they are labeled by the modem) but then covered the jacks?
supple bane
obvs it didnt boost the speeds but i could connect from further away so that was good
steep gust
So I would have to remove every single outlet in my room
Just to figure out what one has an ethernet cable in it
steep gust
If they remember to tape it down near the outlet
If some dumbass just removed the jack and let the wire drop then its not getting found
supple bane
i wish we had that sort of thing here, im guessing you live in the usa, from what i have seen, isnt that kinda common over there ?
if you had a system like that here in the uk you are probs a millionaire, or a really good handy man XD
steep gust
Ye USA
I think most recent houses probably have ethernet ran here (since drywall makes running it easy), but not all of them have jacks
supple bane
fair enough
steep gust
but yeah running ethernet when building a house would be fucking easy if using drywall
just put one side up, stable the wires down and you good
no drilling involved
supple bane
this house was built in 1990s, so it makes sense it doesnt have it
steep gust
It wouldn't be CAT5
So even if it did have it, you would have to run new stuff
which is pretty easy, just tape the new wire to the old stuff and pull
supple bane
running the new stuff isnt that hard tho, you just pull it through with the old stuff
oh
oof
heh
latent light
my house was built in 2005, still uses DSL lines for internet
also have power lines that go out almost everytime it storms
supple bane
underground power lines ftw
steep gust
but they cost a lot more and harder to maintain
also all it takes is some dumbass to ram the transformer with their car
supple bane
i mean here there is about 5 main transformers that power the city, they have 24 hour guards i think, and there are hundreds of smaller ones all over the place which have 8 foot metal fence around
steep gust
It was the power companies fault
supple bane
and they are normally out of the way from roads, so hitting them with cars is hard
steep gust
I mean the big blackout that happened years ago in the USA was entire the fault of one company
supple bane
well, i have to go now, nice chatting with ya
steep gust
ye bye
latent light
damn you know microsoft said they'd invest billions for all of the USA to have fiber internet
but billions would be a slight fraction of what it would actually cost
it would cost about $3 trillion to build fiber lines on every road within the country lol
underground powerlines would even cost a lot more than that
steep gust
I mean companies were given like $320 billion to do it for large cities
and nothing happen
latent light
lol
most large cities in the US already have fiber
my town is 2700 population and it has fiber but I live in the rural area so I have DSL
supple bane
well isnt this just great, i realised i havent had the glass side on my pc case for a while now and i cant find the screws for it 
prime jasper
nothing zip ties cant fix lol
teal siren
flex tape, flex seal. problem solved.
fallen harbor
gius
guys*
excuse my ignorance but isnt the i5 8400 4ghz?
or 3.9
cause mine says its 2.80
storm osprey
off the top of my head, it boosts to 3.9
supple bane
well it depends where you got that info from, because a cpu wont stay one its max clock, if its idle it probs wont even reach 1.5 ghz, when its under load it will go up to its max, but if thats a description of the product form somewhere i dont know
storm osprey
"6 Cores / 6 Threads
2.80 GHz up to 4.00 GHz Max Turbo Frequency / 9 MB Cache"
fallen harbor
i just want to make sure i didnt get scammed lol
storm osprey
nope, youre good
storm osprey
what was problem?
fallen harbor
the mobo had a very old version of its bios which for some reason had the compatibility with my disk disabled
i took it to the store and they updated the bios and enabled the compatibility
storm osprey
hmm thats one i havent heard before
fallen harbor
the version it had was F3 when the latest is F13
storm osprey
i know about updating for CPU compatibility
lol thats quite the numerical difference
storm osprey
thats what this is for
supple bane
well thats what this chat is for, talking about tech
storm osprey
and even though we couldnt help, now we know from you telling us
storm osprey
there ya go
latent light
@fallen harbor was the i5-8400 same price as the ryzen 5 2600 at your local store?
storm osprey
yeaaaa what happened to the 2600?
latent light
like I said, the 2600 will survive future gaming longer but it's not really a big deal, just hope you don't plan on using that 8400 longer than 5 years lol
I hope the next battlefield game isn't more CPU demanding than BFV
inb4 100% utilization of 8 cores
fallen harbor
i couldve gone for the ryzen but multiple personal reasons convinced me to rather go for the i5. I've always used intel and the ryzen has some different stuff along with a different mobo I didnt like as much as the b360, and i see many people suggesting nvidia for intel and ati for amd, and I plan on moving to nvidia so thats another thing. I also don't feel comfortable with the idea of OC'ing. I don't need more than 1080p and 60fps, etc
the i5 seemed a little bit worse but more comfortable and i went for the comfortable
latent light
it doesn't matter what graphics card you use with either CPU brand lol