technology

[latent light]

only if the liquid is transparent tbh lmao

[violet plank]

seems still nothing worth replacing my 7700k for pure gaming

for now

[storm osprey]

so AMDS first time at CES and they dont bring the fire

lame

[latent light]

only the first day

they will reveal the product line in the next few days

[storm osprey]

but this is where they should have came out swinging

im not watching anything else, and ibet a lot of people arent as well

[lime pollen]

I didn't watch the amd conference but

what happened

[storm osprey]

vega 7 announced

[lime pollen]

.

[storm osprey]

seems to be competing against titan cards

at 700 bucks

[lime pollen]

welp

they blew it

[storm osprey]

lol

i mean, thats good, but not something we gamers care about

[lime pollen]

exactly

[storm osprey]

they teased ryzen 7nm

unnamed card with unnamed specs other than its 8c16t

ran fh4 with the v7 card at 1080p ultra settings at 115 fps

(apparently that matches a 1080ti and a 6700k)

[lime pollen]

yeah I'm reading it's supposed to compete against the 2080

this is the biggest let down of the year confirmed

[storm osprey]

that unnamed ryzen cpu in cinebench beat a 9900k while using 30% less power

FOR GAMING yea it competes with 2080

but thats not what its billed as

they kept saying "this card is for the creators"

so everything shown so far, is GREAT for creators

[violet plank]

using 30% less power than a 9900k is really easy 😂

[storm osprey]

yea, but its also beating it at the same time

and probably for way cheaper

[violet plank]

i do hope so

both

[storm osprey]

just have to wait and see

[violet plank]

ye

[storm osprey]

meh showing for the average gamer, but shit looks good for workstations

[violet plank]

hope they do it better than intel tho

[minor turret]

i wonder how a cheap chinese 500 l/h pump and reservoir would perform

for water cooling

[lime pollen]

I'm just

expresso depresso'd atm

why

[minor turret]

aios are below 100 l/h

[violet plank]

i would worry more about the noise of that pump 😛

[lime pollen]

the only good thing that could come from the vega 7 is that it'll probably be price dropped quicker than the other cards throughout the year

[storm osprey]

ehh, i see it as a titan competitor, i have no interest in it

[lime pollen]

gotta scratch off the card in the new build

[latent light]

tbh if Vega 7 had only 8GB, it could be sold for much cheaper

no reason to have 16GB except for workstation use

[storm osprey]

because its a workstation gpu

[latent light]

who knows, they could release an 8GB version later on

lol

[storm osprey]

its a titan for amd

raaaaaaa

[lime pollen]

truly the nvidia killer

[latent light]

they can't kill Nvidia in the high-end

but they can in the mid-range

[storm osprey]

i mean, at 700 bucks to have roughly the same titan specs seems pretty good

[latent light]

what I liked is that it was a reference card with 3 open-air fans

instead of the shitty blower design lol

[storm osprey]

^

[latent light]

3 fans on a reference card

that's new I think

[storm osprey]

was nice to se on reference

plain ass design too

[lime pollen]

that is pretty new

but dw about the design since other brands are gonna change it probably

[storm osprey]

these are workstation cards, dont put money into looks, put it on cooling

[latent light]

maybe they saw that the Vega 64 was hot as hell on the reference blower lol

[lime pollen]

yea

[latent light]

because Vega 64 reference throttled

[minor turret]

vega was also overvolted af

[latent light]

Vega with a simple -50mV undervolt goes a long way

[storm osprey]

im confused to why undervolting improve performance

[mental hatch]

Less heat allows more headroom for the gpu to clock up I think

[storm osprey]

why would they do that factory?

[mental hatch]

🤷

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvaEkQb-tYc

[latent light]

@steep gust

dual chiplet design on 3rd gen Ryzen

[storm osprey]

looks like spilled ink

[latent light]

so that means 16 cores is possible on AM4

yeah it does look weird

[lime pollen]

all that space

👀

[storm osprey]

surprise, this cpu is threadripper sized

[sonic osprey]

16cores might be possible with AM4 socket, but not on older motherboards, most likely need vrm upgrade

[latent light]

sub $100 B350/B450 boards might not let them go higher than base clock

but I'm sure a X370 will

idk who would upgrade to a $500ish 16-core CPU on a B350 board though

[minor turret]

there were many truly trash x370 boards that had same vrm as 50-70 dollar b350 boards

because engineering is cheap if every board has same vrm setup from 50 to 150 usd

[steep gust]

@latent light Uh yeah leaks are full of bullshit and I am doubting the claims

You got an I/O die and the actual CPU

16c on one die would get crazy hot

[storm osprey]

where did they say 16c?

[steep gust]

Nowhere

we got

Literally zero specs

or pricing

or anything outside of mid year launch

[storm osprey]

they said 8c16t

[steep gust]

uh yeah that is already possible on Rzyen

[storm osprey]

yep

but thats what they demoed

(maybe its ryzen 5 at 8c16t)

and thats what beat a 9900k on cinebench?

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyV9nYzZKVk

there is space to fit another chiplet

[steep gust]

https://twitter.com/markhachman/status/1083097464624693248 like we have this

but that doesn't mean another 8 cores

[latent light]

could be

[storm osprey]

idk, im just waiting

im not much for speculating, doesnt mean anything even if im 100% right

[steep gust]

and you have to realize the trace density for those CPUs are already crazy high

So there might not actually be enough space for another die

[latent light]

first gen and second gen Ryzen have 1 single die

why would they make 2 seperate ones on 3rd gen

[steep gust]

Rzyen has two dies

[latent light]

just put together?

[steep gust]

They are beside each other

You can see the divide in the solder

Actually can't find any pictures without the solder

Some say its dual 4c and some say its a single 8c

[latent light]

I think they didn't reveal Navi because no one would buy the RX 590 anymore lol

if they did

[steep gust]

I don't think they did because its not ready

[latent light]

you can see the divide on this one

if Navi did get announced, RX 590 would become immediately irrelevant lol

[steep gust]

The Infinity Fabric On-Package (IFOP) SerDes deal with die-to-die communication in the same package

[latent light]

it's nice that the reference Vega 7 has 3 open-air fans instead of the awful blower fan lol

[steep gust]

Looks like shit tho

[latent light]

I don't like the transparent fans

well I don't like anything transparent lol

would be a wise decision if AMD releases a 8GB variant of the Vega 7 for $100-150 cheaper

[lime pollen]

^^^

[latent light]

8GB of HBM2 memory costs <$150 alone

[storm osprey]

this is their TITAN versions

[steep gust]

and not use HBM2

[storm osprey]

doesnt titan usually come out first?

[steep gust]

no

[storm osprey]

welp

they are fools

[latent light]

titan is usually the last card of Nvidia to release

[storm osprey]

i thought titan came out before 1080ti

[latent light]

no

[storm osprey]

or was that 980ti?

[latent light]

1080 was the first card, then the 1080 ti

[storm osprey]

all i remember was people memeing it up

[steep gust]

Generally the xx80 comes first

Then the TI

Then the Titan

[storm osprey]

saying "they release titan to release a gamer versions thats cheaper and better"

[steep gust]

for the most money

[storm osprey]

hmm

idk where im thinking of this scenario

[steep gust]

and the Titan X maxwell is better than a 980ti

[latent light]

when the Ti comes out, it takes the xx80's price and the xx80 price drops a bit

[storm osprey]

the cards are better for gaming, but perf isnt dramatically different for the price difference

[steep gust]

uh no the 1080ti cost more than a 1080

and 1080 prices didn't fall for awhile

1080ti was like $750 at launch with the 1080 being $600

[latent light]

1080 Ti msrp was $699

[steep gust]

well official price and actual price means nothing for launches

[lime pollen]

^

"from 499 for the 2070"

[storm osprey]

dont buy outside of launch window

[lime pollen]

2070 founders was 600

[latent light]

https://www.amazon.com/KG011-Mechanical-Industrial-Illuminated-backlighted/dp/B015MQH59A/ref=asc_df_B015MQH59A/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198093101467&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15195091383039307533&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027097&hvtargid=pla-378617883526&th=1

ultimate budget gaming keyboard?

[lime pollen]

yuh

[storm osprey]

no

fucking blues

[latent light]

it's made of aluminum bruh

[storm osprey]

and it has blue switches

and ugly AF

[latent light]

a lot of people like blue although they are loud

[steep gust]

not even blue

Custom made shitty copies of blue switches

[latent light]

it's fucking $42

[steep gust]

and a good keyboard is like $60-70

[storm osprey]

theres a black one for cheaper

[steep gust]

with actual switches

[storm osprey]

i mean, if they are gateron or kailh switches they will be fine

[latent light]

I really want Aliaz switches

[storm osprey]

fucking love them

[latent light]

I might need 100g because I broke my razer keycaps from simply pressing them

fingers too strong

[steep gust]

or shitty keyboard

[latent light]

[storm osprey]

lol 100g

youre a madman

[latent light]

[storm osprey]

60g is perfect for me

actually

maybe 50-55

[latent light]

MX clear are pretty loud

[storm osprey]

thats why you get aliaz

[latent light]

Aliaz is almost as quiet as membrane lol

[storm osprey]

you only hear the leaflet

ive been meaning to test that

[latent light]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075KMZ4MX/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?pd_rd_i=B075KMZ4MX&pd_rd_w=NgVUr&pf_rd_p=21517efd-b385-405b-a405-9a37af61b5b4&pd_rd_wg=o008H&pf_rd_r=PCRE09W4R2P64F652AWT&pd_rd_r=7ba102af-1466-11e9-9eb3-9fea4582feac&th=1

this one is better than the last one

$45

[storm osprey]

thats membrane yo

[latent light]

Mecha-Membrane

[steep gust]

I would prefer a straight membrane then

[latent light]

which is fake mechanical

[steep gust]

Like I use a membrane keyboard because I'm poor and its not bad

[storm osprey]

i actually liked the feel of the mecha membrane that razer had, the ornata

but it wasnt worth the 100 they were asking

[latent light]

you got a really expensive motherboard and a 8600K though

[storm osprey]

^

[latent light]

membrane isn't as bad as people claim tbh

mechanical is better for people who type a lot and listen to them self type

when your gaming you're not putting much attention to your keyboard

[storm osprey]

i just like the feel

durability means nothing with the price differences

theres no performance gain difference

its not like upgrading a sensor on a mouse

[latent light]

I just want a more quiet keyboard that doesn't disturb other people in my house at 2 am

lol

[steep gust]

there is very little difference pass a point on mouse sensors

[storm osprey]

aliaz

you can get a 3310, hero, or even a 3360/3366 sensor for like 20-30 now

theres no reason to not have a good sensor

3310 is the least i recommend

[steep gust]

uh because like

You hit a point you can't tell the difference

just buy a mouse that works for you

[storm osprey]

and that point is at like 20-25 bucks

which gets you top of the line sensors

[steep gust]

sensors aren't the only thing that goes into a mouse

[storm osprey]

sensor is the most important thing that goes into a mouse

[steep gust]

Plenty of mice have a good sensor and are shit

I'd say ergonomics is leagues above a sensor

[storm osprey]

nah

[steep gust]

So you would prefer a literal block

as long as it has a good sensor?

Hand cramps in 5 minutes

[storm osprey]

compared to a mouse that felt good but had a shit sensor?

depends how shit the sensor is

[steep gust]

Uh yeah you realize that even a cheap wireless mouse have decent enough sensors for most peoeple?

[storm osprey]

most people suck

[steep gust]

Like yeah 1000hz polling rate is nice

[storm osprey]

polling rate means nothing

[steep gust]

but can you truly tell the difference? Ehh

[storm osprey]

between 500 and 1000 polling rate?

no

acceleration and accuracy and LOD and tracking speeds i can tell though

[steep gust]

I mean polling rate is pretty important

It could be the most accurate sensor in the world, but if its 100hz its gonna hurt twitch movement

[storm osprey]

grantd, i dont actually play at the tracking speeds sensors top our near

[steep gust]

While it being 3 pixels off won't kill me

[storm osprey]

idk any decent sensor that doesnt do at least 500hz

and me saying sensor is most important doesnt mean id play with a brick

it means... sensor is most important

i dont get how people always twist saying something like that as meaning ITS THE ONLY thing that matters

[latent light]

my deathadder has options for 125, 500 and 1000

[turbid verge]

1000hz all the way

[latent light]

you won't know the difference between 500 and 1000

humans aren't capable of it

500hz is already 2 milliseconds

[turbid verge]

You arent supposed to

1ms < 2ms ence faster

[lime pollen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sgCq8Y

rate the build so far

the storage was already bought but everything else is the big think

[steep gust]

Get a way better cooler

Better PSU

And you can go with a 3000mhz CL16 RAM kit and see almost no drops and save money

I own that kit and its CJR, not B-Die if you were wondering

Also

one of the cheapest possible motherboards

$300 CPU

[lime pollen]

-v-

cheap out on the mobo

[steep gust]

And honestly I'd recommend Rzyen over Intel if you are playing at higher resolutions or dont have a super crazy high refresh rate monitor

Cheaper and Zen 2 will support AM4

While LGA1151v2 will end up replaced, let's be real

[lime pollen]

mmmm

I see

I run at 1080p, 60 hz

I'll see to it

[steep gust]

Oh yeah an 8700k is fucking overkill for that

[lime pollen]

I have a lot of rendering programs though

[steep gust]

That prefer core count or clock speed?

[storm osprey]

ryzen is generally better for that

[lime pollen]

clock speed

[steep gust]

Like Adobe software can take advantage of QuickSync

But not all do

[latent light]

Vega 7 boost clock is 1800 MHz, almost 300 MHz higher than Vega 64

[steep gust]

I mean for $300 that 8700k is a decent deal

[latent light]

not impressive tbh

[steep gust]

Uh yeah

A 1080ti compared to a 2080ti is smallee

[latent light]

I really hope for an 8GB model though

[lime pollen]

it's an 8700

not a k

[steep gust]

GDDR6 pls

Oof rip then get a locked motherboard

[lime pollen]

mm

[steep gust]

And then if you go with a locked motherboard, get cheaper RAM since you cant overclock memory on a locked motherboard

[latent light]

so it is true that the 3rd gen Ryzen cpu that was put up against the i9-9900K is a 8c/16t cpu

[steep gust]

Yes

and it means nothing

due to it being released by AMD

[latent light]

they also used Cinebench which is alright but there is better things to use for comparisons

[lime pollen]

tfw navi will probably be announced later

[steep gust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vZjsr6 @lime pollen

That motherboard is pretty cheap, and doesn't seem bad so I'd leave it

Cheaper RAM, better PSU, and a better cooler if you find one in stock

[lime pollen]

danke for the suggestions

[latent light]

Z390 for only $120

[steep gust]

5+2 phase VRM

[latent light]

still decent

[steep gust]

So perfectly fine for a locked 8700

[latent light]

4+2 worked on my Fx-8350 lmao

which was a 125w cpu

[lime pollen]

my alternate mobo was gonna be this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP7BR4289&ignorebbr=1

[latent light]

and I had it overclocked to 4.4

[lime pollen]

[steep gust]

https://imgur.com/0HYaKrM

[unborn epoch]

on a scale of 1 to 10 couric, how much couric is bfv in this stage

[steep gust]

like 3

Not much variety with the maps tbh

Gunplay gets kinda boring

Vehicles are boring as sin

[unborn epoch]

interesting

[steep gust]

It could be a good game

[unborn epoch]

nothing like good ol' quake or cs

[steep gust]

but I'm not going put thousands of hours into it like BF4

[latent light]

all battlefield games take a year before it's fun to play

[steep gust]

Hardline was fun at launch 😛

[latent light]

lol

[unborn epoch]

that sounds more like stockholm syndrome than real fun

[latent light]

hardline was different

no tanks, jets or attack helicopters

[steep gust]

I found Hardline to be a ton of fun

Yes it was different, yes it had a lot of issues, but it was fun

[unborn epoch]

hardline was funny, blasting music in your SUV

blasting fools

[latent light]

hardwired mode was fun, should make something like that

like a event mode

[steep gust]

Like man

If Visceral was still around and could do Hardline 2.0 (without battlefield in the name so we don't deal with gate keeping shitters) it would be fun

[latent light]

hardline mainly suffered because of the game's setting

[steep gust]

Its like

They ignored Battlefield Heros existed

2142 also wasn't really "battlefield" since it was futuristic then

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcL4XFwptHo

CPUs could come out before the motherboards

lol

[steep gust]

X570 will be like Z390

[latent light]

won't be any different to X470

[steep gust]

maybe USB 3.1

[latent light]

well maybe higher memory support

[steep gust]

eh doubt

Memory on X470 is hitting CPU issues

Like if any board straight up doesn't post at 3866mhz, its not the motherboard then

[fiery oracle]

What price would you guys pay for a used i7 6700k

foun d one online debating pulling the trigger currently have an i5 6500

[steep gust]

Like $100-150

[fiery oracle]

new motherboard aside obviously

guy has it listed for 225

[steep gust]

oof

[fiery oracle]

which i thought was crazy high aswell

[steep gust]

You can get a 1200 + B450 motherboard for less than that

[fiery oracle]

yea i know

its still a decent processor from what little ive researched but the price is well wrong

[steep gust]

Hell

even a 1600 + B350 board is like $210-230

[fiery oracle]

may hit him with an offer for $130 see if he throws up or not

[latent light]

for $225 I'd get something like a Ryzen 5 2600X or maybe i5-8500

[fiery oracle]

I dont NEED to upgrade per say. Just got bored and looked around my local craigslist

[steep gust]

oh yeah bad idea generally

People love to price stuff horribly on craigslist

[fiery oracle]

I wouldnt say horribly

[steep gust]

See the dozen "gaming PCs" for $2000 with bad monitors, bad parts, and a bad description

[fiery oracle]

you always want to list it for higher than youd be willing to accept

[steep gust]

I wouldn't call a 1070 and like a 7600k "4k ready"

[fiery oracle]

Oh i understand that

[steep gust]

but man are people scummy and do that shit

[fiery oracle]

Nah

they just expect someone to negotiatie

[latent light]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2113924588663951

[fiery oracle]

and if the person giving that much money doesn't research h honestly its their loss

[latent light]

YIKES

[steep gust]

or to get someone who doesn't know what they are buying and just want a PC

[latent light]

Xeon X3470 + 4GB ram + gtx 960 for $350

[fiery oracle]

MOST people should be researching on $200+ buys

fat oof

[steep gust]

Like parnets buying their kid their first gaming PC, if the ad says its 4k / VR ready why would they buy it?

They don't care enough to learn why 6c 12t is much better than 4c 8t, and its confusing with product schemes being all over the place

[fiery oracle]

I understand where your coming from. But most of the fault lies in the buyer rather than the seller.

[latent light]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/313400249384549

[fiery oracle]

rgb tax lol

[steep gust]

I mean

Pretty sure that is a 1080 / 1080ti

[latent light]

1080 Ti aorus

[fiery oracle]

500ish in the used market around me

[steep gust]

but that is most likely a 2700x

[fiery oracle]

its a 1700x

[steep gust]

aka not worth $1600

oof pictures show parts

[latent light]

says this

[steep gust]

So he is preying on people to not realize the 1080ti is out of production

because used 1080ti are like $550

[latent light]

lol

I seen a EVGA 1080 Ti for $400 on facebook marketplace

[steep gust]

Found a gigabyte AORUS Xtreme waterforce for $590

[latent light]

it sold in like 45 minutes

[steep gust]

Think about it

$400 was standard for like a week

I'm sad I didn't have any money then

[fiery oracle]

Id shit myself if one popped up for 400

[latent light]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/519669861879703

LOOOL

$200

for a G4400 and 8gb ram

[fiery oracle]

SOLD

your part of the country is scaring me with its pricing...

[latent light]

that cpu is like $50 or less new and that ram is like $80

[steep gust]

Man some of the new 2080ti are interesting

Like makes me want to save for a year and hope prices fall

If the rumors of Nvidia possibly doing an XOC BIOS are real

[mental hatch]

i ran into someone selling a $200 gtx 680 and then claimed it was because they sell 600 new

[latent light]

oof

[steep gust]

or just buy the one with a 500-550w BIOS and get a waterblock

but like $1600+ big oof

[latent light]

that power consumption would be stupid

[steep gust]

Yeah but it would be amazing for overclocking

Since the FTW3 only has a like 350w max power limit

[latent light]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/775613749467949

$300

[mental hatch]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2365446486821346?surface=product_details

this isnt too bad considering peripherals

[steep gust]

I mean $300 for a vega 64 is good

[fiery oracle]

Most my fb marketplace is a dude selling a 1080 for $360

[steep gust]

Like would buy if I had the money

[latent light]

if I got a Vega I'd undervolt it immediately

[steep gust]

I'd flash an XOC BIOS and toss like +100% power limit for that extra 50mhz

[latent light]

oof

[steep gust]

but nah because no custom loop

Can't be having a 500w GPU yet

A CPU loop with excessive rads would only be $500 or so

So add GPU waterblocks + 2 fittings for $150 each and not bad

[latent light]

this run BFV?

[unborn epoch]

ya

it'll run to tell you your computer is shit

[steep gust]

What GPU is that?

Probably like a GT230

aka no DX11 support

[latent light]

ATI Rage 128

that's a PowerMac G4 from 2000

[steep gust]

uh yeah OpenGL 1.0 isn't gonna run DX11

[flint locust]

Instantly recognized that computer, never even owned one either

[latent light]

ran FurMark for 10 minutes with my RX 580, HWiNFO64 says it peaked at 142 watts

[red ingot]

@unborn epoch you're back?

[unborn epoch]

not really

game is still shit apparently

[red ingot]

:(

Havent seen u around these parts latelyb

[unborn epoch]

ya

[red ingot]

And yeah they only ever released 1 patch (the one in early December)

[unborn epoch]

im still rank 20

this place is fucken dead isn't it

[red ingot]

Oof

Yeah

I mean discord is alive

But afaik game is dying

Havent personally played for like 3 weeks

I'm just waiting for the Jan patch.. game too broken for me rn

[unborn epoch]

lul

what a shitshow

[red ingot]

Yeah

DICE is still just giving PR responses to everyone

Company coins still broken

Assignments not tracking properly

No progression

Etc.

[unborn epoch]

👌

Panda still around?

[latent light]

haven't seen him in a few days

[storm osprey]

panda popped in for a little and left again

[sullen lichen]

Hi guys, just to let you all know, portions clean windows install and it appears to have fixed my issues played for a few hours last night

[foggy shadow]

What issues did it fix?

Seeing as some issues might not happen to everyone

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQCDk-tXfsM

really nice

[storm osprey]

hmmm 50 bucks for good perf on a fan that doesnt look ugly AF

[latent light]

It's not big either

[storm osprey]

yea

but i got an AIO for mine

[minor turret]

inb4 le grand macho shits on it

[vale tinsel]

anyone having issue to connect to online play for battlefield 1 ?

from Malaysia btw

just bought battlefield 1 and cant even play it online

fml

[storm osprey]

system?

[vale tinsel]

pc windows 10

1060 i58400

8gb ram

[storm osprey]

specs wont matter about online

[vale tinsel]

thats why im here

no clue why

[minor turret]

single stick 8 gig of ram would ruin your fps tho

[vale tinsel]

playing fine actually

as long as it doesnt drop below 60

[sonic osprey]

hmm, tried oc'ng my watercooled 9900k to 5.0ghz, 73-74C running cinebench not as high as expected

[elfin jungle]

Okay guys. I'm a little panicked because i just bought a Gaming X 1070 and i run BFV Low settings 25 fps.... Somebody got ideas why?

[sonic osprey]

what cpu? what cpu & gpu load?

[storm osprey]

1070 should definitely not get 25 fps if the rest of the system is up to snuff

[elfin jungle]

exactly

and my CPU is not overloaded

[latent light]

what cpu do you have? Fx-4100?

[elfin jungle]

AMD Phenom II X6 running arround 4.0 ghz

[minor turret]

must be a troll

[storm osprey]

agree

[steep gust]

voltage is more important than frequency for heat

[elfin jungle]

@minor turret Nope

[steep gust]

and yeah that CPU is limiting you hard

Its what

[latent light]

play at higher settings, should see better performance out of that cpu

[steep gust]

Bulldozer?

[storm osprey]

that cpu is at least 7 years old

[latent light]

playing at low settings on an old CPU like that is just putting more work on it

[storm osprey]

7-10?

jesus

[elfin jungle]

Auto settings sets my game settings on ultra. I will play a round right now and see the FPS

[sonic osprey]

umm that cpu is like really old and low performance

graphics settings wont affect your max frame rate your cpu can produce

[steep gust]

like really really bad

[minor turret]

a 7 year old cpu would be fine

if it was intel i7

unlocked

[steep gust]

uh no

A 2700k is decent

but not amazing

[sonic osprey]

that cpu is like 50% of the performance of 4770k

[storm osprey]

the least i would take is 3700k

[elfin jungle]

https://gyazo.com/0e09a42d084eafc7bce366111a4c6de1

[storm osprey]

and that aint even close to 3770k

[minor turret]

sandy was release in 2011

[storm osprey]

its not your gpu @elfin jungle

[steep gust]

uh yeah that shows nothing and looks photoshopped anyways

[minor turret]

and i7 at 4.5-4.7 and above would be fine for sub 144 hz gaming

[steep gust]

Also no overclock but more than stock frequency

[elfin jungle]

lmao you really going to think im going to photoshop this😂

[steep gust]

big bullshit

[latent light]

Phenom II X6 at 4 GHz should see close performance to a Fx-8350 lol

[steep gust]

1987mhz is well above stock frequency

Can't do that with +0 core

and stock power targets

[sonic osprey]

not even a 2080ti would give you better fps with that cpu you have

because there is just too much going on in the game for your cpu to handle

[steep gust]

(OC Mode 1797 MHz / 1607 MHz) (Gaming Mode 1771 MHz / 1582 MHz) (Silent Mode 1683 MHz / 1506 MHz)

So yeah explain that screenshot

Shows stock settings but its not stock

[minor turret]

@latent light in which case its his ram thats fucked

cus fx8350 gives you 60 fps

[steep gust]

Also using GPU Tweak 2.0 instead of Afterburner

[latent light]

Fx-8350 gets 60 fps minimum on BFV lol

Phenom II X6 should be close to it

[steep gust]

uh no

[sonic osprey]

fx8350 is like +30-40% better than the x6

[steep gust]

Massive differences in architects

[minor turret]

also phenom was released 9 years ago not 7

holy

[sonic osprey]

+33% faster multicore speed says userbenchmark.com

[elfin jungle]

@steep gust that is gpu tweak 2.0

[steep gust]

userbenchmark is not a good source of comparisons tbh

[sonic osprey]

??

[latent light]

yeah people run overclocks on that test

which can make it look better than it is

[elfin jungle]

So basically my cpu bottlenecking my GPU

[sonic osprey]

yes

[latent light]

definitely

[sonic osprey]

your gpu was at 37C :D

[minor turret]

there are some truly trash benchmarks on that site meaning average is dragged down

[elfin jungle]

only with high-end gpus?

[sonic osprey]

your gpu is literally doing nothin

[minor turret]

if you tweak your pc you will get over 90th percentile on any test

[elfin jungle]

because it was fine with my GTX970/RX580

[latent light]

anything greater than a GTX 1050 will be bottlenecked by that Phenom II X6

[steep gust]

and userbenchmark just isn't a good benchmark

[elfin jungle]

welp. lets buy a new pc instead of a gpu😦

[steep gust]

uh yeah

[sonic osprey]

huh? how much fps you had on 970/580?

[steep gust]

For $300 you can go pretty far

[minor turret]

userbenchmark gives you a good estimate of performance between different hardware

[elfin jungle]

@sonic osprey arround 50-60

on low

[steep gust]

Instead you bought a GPU that was clearly overkill

[latent light]

Zino first, download FurMark and Unigine Heaven Benchmark to see if your GPU is fine

[steep gust]

Superposition > Furmark IMO

Uniengine be weak

Furmark just gets really fucking hot

[latent light]

lol

[sonic osprey]

https://www.gpucheck.com/game_gpu/battlefield-v/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1100t/ultra

[steep gust]

Its like the P95 of CPUs

Not the best stability test, but it gets hot as hell

[latent light]

really need to check to see if your new GPU is fine before blowing $300+ on other new components

[sonic osprey]

yea maybe something funky going on with the gpu

[latent light]

@elfin jungle your RX 580 only got 50-60 fps on low? huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge bottleneck

[steep gust]

You can easily look at task manager

[elfin jungle]

appearly

[latent light]

my RX 580 gets over 80 fps on Ultra

[steep gust]

GPU is probably at like

30% usage

[elfin jungle]

60

[steep gust]

uh yeah

should be 80+

[latent light]

should be at 90+ without fps capped

[elfin jungle]

fml so that means new CPU = new motherboard = new ram = shit loads of money

[latent light]

if you want to upgrade your CPU/motherboard/RAM, I can show you some great value

[elfin jungle]

nah i'm good with knowledge about building pc's

[steep gust]

yeah that is what

DDR2?

[elfin jungle]

3

[latent light]

bro you were just complaining about low fps with your GTX 1070 but have a fucking Phenom II

[steep gust]

so not new ram

[latent light]

[storm osprey]

gtx 1070 = cost of anything better than youre current cpu/mb/ram

[steep gust]

Stay on DDR3 and buy a like 4790k

[elfin jungle]

@latent light i said building pc's / picking parts. not how my own outdated pc works

[steep gust]

uh yeah if you know how to pick parts

[storm osprey]

or use pcpartpicker

[steep gust]

you can realize a 9 year old CPU isn't gonna fly with a newer GPU

[elfin jungle]

ye i can see

[steep gust]

DDR4 is like $100 for 16GB

[minor turret]

4790k costs more than ryzen 2600 where i live

used

[steep gust]

oof

[minor turret]

4770k costs more than ryzen 2600 used

[elfin jungle]

lets sell the 1070 and buy atleast new cpu\😂

[minor turret]

there are a lot of people on ddr3 still

[latent light]

you could get a used i7-4770K with a compatible motherboard and not have to upgrade ram

[steep gust]

or not sell a GPU you just bought

since you will lose money

[latent light]

if he gets a newer gen board, he will have to spend $100 on DDR4 ram lol

[steep gust]

Might be worthwhile

[latent light]

imo, the Ryzen 5 2600 route would be fine if you want to futureproof yourself a little

[elfin jungle]

@latent light Ill go with AMD 😉

[latent light]

what is your budget

Ryzen is AMD btw

[elfin jungle]

I know

I said i have knowledge about pc partd

[latent light]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kmyrhy

I can find you cheaper than this

[minor turret]

unless you want to relearn OC for ddr4

setup then go 2600x

[steep gust]

uh no?

First off overclocking over XMP generally nets very very very small real world gains

and the 2600 is fine over the 2600x if you understand basic CPU overclocking

[latent light]

people should only get the 2600X if they don't like overclocking and want a slightly better stock cooler

[steep gust]

Also most DDR4 ICs don't overclock very far

So unless he wants to spent $100 more for a B-Die kit he won't even see any noticeable advantages in overclocking

[minor turret]

talking about ddr4 platform not ram itself

[steep gust]

uh yeah its the chipset that dedicated the RAM

[minor turret]

and if you want static vcore then its pretty similar

[steep gust]

not the RAM dedicating the platform

Hell DDR3 can run on DDR4 CPUs

[minor turret]

pretty much only happened with skylake

AMD modern CPUs that use DDR3 are using older tech

[steep gust]

Uh you realize Skylake is the name of the main architect for all modern Intel CPUs?

Kabylake, Coffeelake, and Coffeelake Refresh are all revisions of the same exact architect

[latent light]

that's why we still see the name Skylake-X for i9

everything since 2015 is a refresh for Intel

also, going from 22nm to 14nm didn't make much difference for intel lol

[steep gust]

it did for overclocking

Intel 14nm clocks great if you can keep it cool and don't lose the silicon lottery

[latent light]

does kaby lake run hotter than skylake

[steep gust]

It shouldn't, but Intel has been pushing clocks higher and higher

[latent light]

I don't remember people saying the 6700K ran hot but I do remember seeing forums and videos about how hot the 7700K is

[steep gust]

Plenty of people did complain

Its just the 7700k was hot

[latent light]

very few 6700K could reach 5 GHz at safe voltages

the average 7700K could reach 5 GHz though lol

[steep gust]

Top 6% of 6700k could do 4.9ghz at 1.44v

[latent light]

I wonder what they did to improve clocks by that much from a refresh

[steep gust]

22nm to 14nm

[latent light]

6700K is 14nm

[steep gust]

Also the average 7700k did 5ghz at almost unsafe voltages

14n refinement then, the first of any generally have issues

[latent light]

maybe because the 6700K was the first 14nm and wasn't refined?

[steep gust]

Since Intel doesn't get to use other companies to refine the process before them

[latent light]

lol

6700K - 4.0 GHz base, 4.2 GHz boost
7700K - 4.2 GHz base, 4.5 GHz boost
8700K - 3.7 GHz base, 4.7 GHz boost

so weird man

more cores meant they had to drop base clock and the 4.7 GHz is only 1 core

[steep gust]

base clock means nothing

[latent light]

6700K only boosts by 200 MHz lmao

[steep gust]

8700k all core turbo is 4.4ghz IIRC

[latent light]

I guess all core boost?

[steep gust]

dunno its annoying to find

[latent light]

my 1600 boosted to like 3.875 GHz at 1.41v for some reason when I got it, was annoying as hell because it's only supposed to go to 3.5

I think it was something to do with my motherboard

I got it manually set to 3.8GHz at 1.375v now which is fine for me

[sullen lichen]

Rip, just had the same crash again :( definitely a battlefield issue here

[steep gust]

or hardware?

[lofty light]

What crash?

[lofty light]

Problem solved!

[sullen lichen]

This is brilliant 😂

https://youtu.be/dz_T4-hjGHM

Don't get me wrong Radeon 7 is bit meh, but that's a lot of expensive ram for creating content and it has more than the 2080ti. Yes it seems pointless for us. It's exciting to see they are up there. Even Nvidia is feeling the heat

[solid horizon]

It's arguably the best card in its niche now, but they still need a upper tier card for the general gaming audience.

[sullen lichen]

that will come, less ram and less price

hell, we dont know the leaks might even be right

it proved they have the performance

[lime pollen]

sweet christ

that poor case

[sullen lichen]

indeed

[lofty light]

It's a Dell pre-built, it deserves all it gets

[prime jasper]

poor case? That case is cheaper than a "decent" McDonalds menu.

[latent light]

8GB variant of the Vega VII is all AMD needs to do

and make it $100-150 less

[sullen lichen]

Indeed, plus this is still only vega not even volta that is due this year

Also yes thats a dell thing, those are awful

[rugged summit]

I told my wife ill get her a pc big mistake

Oooooh can it be pink

[latent light]

[sonic osprey]

pink watercooled with lots of rgb

you just gotta man up when buying that shit

[shut zephyr]

[latent light]

see the lining in the extra space for another chiplet?

@steep gust

[lime pollen]

[sonic osprey]

Yeah, there is space for additional chiplet, but you have to consider temps when they add another 8 cores there, no way the old motherboards will be able to provide enough power for the 16 cores, and what about temperatures, if the 8c16t was pushing 135watts in blender, I am imaging at least like 200W with 16c32t in the same size chip

[latent light]

the clock speed would be limited on cheap boards

to like 3 GHz lol

[sonic osprey]

why buy 16c32t then :D?

[latent light]

content creation

which is what it's for

[sonic osprey]

also if they gonna provide stock cooler with the cpu, its gonna be like nhd 15

[latent light]

no one would buy a 16 core CPU with a $100 motherboard

[sonic osprey]

if they dont want it to be throttled heavily

[latent light]

I doubt a stock cooler lol

stock cooler for 8 cores and lower

[sonic osprey]

I mean are those not the amd "strong points"... support for AM4, stock cooler etc

[latent light]

not all first gen Ryzen CPUs had stock coolers

1600x, 1700x, 1800x...

all 2nd gen did though

[sonic osprey]

yeah, people can though get the 8c16t ryzen for their old 370/470 boards easily though

so that will be nice for them

[latent light]

2700x runs nice on even A320

it will turbo to over 4GHz

and that's a 12nm 8 core

7nm 8 core will be a lot more efficient

[sonic osprey]

also thinking about the pricing on vega VII, I highly doubt about the prices leaked by adoredtv, they are far too low for release

[latent light]

tbh A320 would probably have a short life span with a 2700x on turbo lol

[sonic osprey]

would expect at least something like $349 for the 8c16t

[latent light]

yeah probably

AMD needs to improve latency between cores

[sonic osprey]

I think the infinity fabric was the issue with ryzen and slower memory

as it synced its frequency to the ram frequency

and it was marketed as a "good" thing

[latent light]

Intel gets ahead when games are played at lower settings

and lower resolution

infinity fabric future is good

[sonic osprey]

as long as ram speed keeps increasing and multiple cores

[latent light]

DDR5 2020?

[sonic osprey]

I mean I think 9900k runs at 4.7ghz ring frequency, not sure what all the ring frequency covers

if I understood correctly when read that briefly, I could in theory use mem up to 4.7ghz

[burnt zinc]

Can somebody help
I have i5 4690k
And rx 5850
580*
My cpu usage is 100% and gpu usage won't go above 50%
it also drops to 40
and my fps can go from 80-90 ( ULTRA) to 30-40 ( Even if i use Low/medium/Ultra) wont help

[latent light]

CPU bottleneck

BFV requires a decent amount of cores

6+ cores

using lower settings makes the bottleneck worse

[burnt zinc]

So which cpu should i get

[latent light]

budget wise? Ryzen 5 2600

[burnt zinc]

my budget 410$ but i want to get some good cpu + mobo and cooler.

Ryzen??

Wbu i5 6600k?

[latent light]

don't need to buy a cooler for ryzen since the cooler it comes with will work fine

Ryzen 5 2600 is only $160 and comes with 6 cores/12 threads

and you can get an overclocking motherboard for it for around $80

[burnt zinc]

In my country

the ryzen 5 2600

Costs 210$

230$*

[latent light]

how much is an i5-8400?

[burnt zinc]

Let me check

324$

[latent light]

holy tits

[burnt zinc]

2.8Ghz one

[latent light]

2.8 with a 4 GHz turbo

hmm

[burnt zinc]

So which should i pick

[latent light]

check for a Ryzen 5 1600 instead of the 2600

[burnt zinc]

@latent light

[latent light]

ye

[burnt zinc]

I have enough for 2600

and a mobo

[latent light]

what about DDR4 ram

[burnt zinc]

Mobo here costs 110$+ ( if its a good one )

I have 16 gb ram ddr4

idk

ddr3*

[latent light]

you don't really need a good one

[burnt zinc]

idk i just want anything that can fix my problem

I can run the game on ultra 80-100 fps

than suddenly it goes down to 30-40

when it happens i tried putting everything low and still same shit

[latent light]

yeah dips are caused by a lot of random action in game

[burnt zinc]

idk if its cpu or gpu

[latent light]

if you play 32 player game modes you'd see better performance

it's CPU 100%

4 cores won't run BFV smooth

[burnt zinc]

so Ryzen 5 1600

or Ryzen 5 2600

[latent light]

what's the price difference?

[burnt zinc]

and how do i know if its not the gpu

cause im worried

Its new though )

[latent light]

play another game that's not so CPU demanding

[burnt zinc]

Idk i play other games fine as well

Like on high graphics

but than after some time there is fps drops or stuttring

I had bf1 and specs were i5 4460 and gtx 960

i got rx 580 and than my bf1 started working awful

so i got an i5 4690k from friend

and it got fixed

[latent light]

BF1 is smooth?

[burnt zinc]

Rn after i got the i5 4690k yes

but before that

when i had upgraded gpu but still i had i5 4460

it was so bad

it felt like playing with potato

So now i got a cpu upgrade as well

and it fixed the bf1

[latent light]

I5 4690K only has 4 cores and 4 threads, it will be maxed out constantly in BFV

[burnt zinc]

So

[latent light]

Even a 7600K will max out

[burnt zinc]

what do u suggest?

I want 5 2600 cause its better and i want the best always

and u said it has good stock cooler

so its perfect.

?

[latent light]

yeah the stock cooler can even let it overclock some

[burnt zinc]

Perfect

Now i just need a mobo

that matches my case and gpu and cpu ^^ rip

[latent light]

A B450 motherboard is probably your best for the budget

[sonic osprey]

I had not much issues with 4770k, running stableish 90+fps

[burnt zinc]

hmm

[sonic osprey]

that should be the same socket as the i5 4690?

[latent light]

Yeah you could look for a used 4770K

[burnt zinc]

used nah

[latent light]

I7-4770K has 4 cores and 8 threads

[burnt zinc]

And the Ryzen has 6 and 6 i think?

[latent light]

6 and 12

[burnt zinc]

Thats better than 4 and 8

Look our pfps its like we some animal friends that dance toghter xDD

[latent light]

comparison

single core is similar

quad-core speed is slightly better for ryzen

multi-core is not even a fair comparison

[burnt zinc]

So

i7 4770K?

[sonic osprey]

I mean it would be cheapest alternative to get bf v running with decent fps for you

holy sheet, people sell those 4770ks for 180e+ on ebay

[burnt zinc]

Abort mission

there is no 4770ks in my country

searched 3 shops and nothing + searched some search engine thinggy

[sonic osprey]

they are not in retail anymore

[burnt zinc]

Guess it has to be the ryzen

[sonic osprey]

have to get used one

[burnt zinc]

I hate used stuff

[sonic osprey]

cheapest on ebay are like 100e

[burnt zinc]

i leave outside usa

it will cost allot for shipping

Even if its a small cpu

[sonic osprey]

yeah

I sold my old 4770k+770+16gbram+mobo for 300e to a colleague

[burnt zinc]

intel is better than rayzen ?

[latent light]

roughly 8% better in performance

[burnt zinc]

idk what to get

But 100% not used/ebay/amazon

[latent light]

if comparing models released in the same generation

[burnt zinc]

amazon is always 30+$ on fax and shipping shit

[latent light]

do you have access to PCPartPicker in your country?

[burnt zinc]

I have enough for the ryzen 5 2600 and B450 Aorus motherboard

And yes ofc i have access to PCPartPicker xd

[latent light]

you will need DDR4 ram too

[burnt zinc]

Must or no?

[latent light]

must

DDR3 not compatible

[burnt zinc]

shit

[sonic osprey]

ye, thats why the 4770k would be ideal if you are just interested in getting better fps in bfv

[burnt zinc]

I have like 60$ left

i think its enough from some chip ram

cheap*

[sonic osprey]

have you considered how much you get selling your old parts?

maybe 150 for mobo+cpu+rams?

[burnt zinc]

Hm

For who will i sell it tho

[sonic osprey]

local online marketplace?

[burnt zinc]

can we talk dm soon cause i have some school project

[sonic osprey]

nah, im at work and

[burnt zinc]

ok..

Yoo

@sonic osprey https://www.wellcom.co.il/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=18074

is this good ram?

Its 60$

[latent light]

get 2 sticks of ram for ryzen

1 will see very low performance

That's only a 4GB single stick lmao

Wouldn't even boot BFV

[sonic osprey]

yea, for ryzen you kinda need over 3000mhz ram, because of the infinity fabric

slower ram basically gimps your entire ryzen processor

[latent light]

4GB DDR4 is only $25 where I live

Don't need over 3000 for Ryzen, 3000 is the sweet spot

2666 will do fine

2400 is kind of meh

2133 is a big no

@burnt zinc since the pricing for you is really high, I'm going to consider these options

1. The used i7-4770K
2. Check for a Ryzen 5 1500x and a B350 motherboard and get 2x4GB DDR4 2666 MHz RAM
3. Check for a Ryzen 5 2400G and B450, with the same Ram as above
4. Ummmm.....

[sonic osprey]

I would say the used 4770k to get over till ryzen 3rd gen, and save up some more money

most likely can resell the 4770k with like only 5-10% value loss

[burnt zinc]

?

wdym will see low preformence ?

Ill search for 4770k

[sonic osprey]

single stick = single channel, so it can only run up to half of the clockspeed of the ramstick, two sticks = dual channel, they run at the announced clockspeed of the ram

do you currently have single or 2 sticks?

[burnt zinc]

I have a h97 pc mate Mobo btw

I currently have dual channel 8gb ddr3 and its from sume "Furryxx" version

Found only 1 i7 4770 ( non k) and he sells it for 410$

I need some other cpu than

is there any other cheap Cpus that are aviable to purchase?

[lofty light]

Gonna need to do a bunch of looking, Haswell seems to keep its value really well in used

[balmy finch]

Any tips for squeezing a bit more performance out of an old quad core?

I have:
i5 3570k at 5.2GHz
16GB DDR3 @ 2000MHz
RX 580 8GB

Game dips below 60fps from time to time still

Running the game at 1600x900, DX11, graphics settings cranked to minimum, future frame rendering on

[foggy shadow]

Nvidia control panel let's me choose between 0-4 pre-rendered frames (for future frame rendering). Is there smt similar for AMD?

Full-screen works best for me for fps

[balmy finch]

I'll look into it! Thanks!

[foggy shadow]

Also there are some further settings you can turn off/down in config

[balmy finch]

Oooh, didn't know that.

[foggy shadow]

Like turning AA off completely, iirc

[balmy finch]

I see! Will definitely look into that as well. Thanks!

[foggy shadow]

Also I think GPU memory restriction is recommended to turn off with 4gb or more

Can't remember what it was for, but I also heard that UI upscaling was recommended to set to high

Could've been for other reasons but I guess it's worth looking into

[balmy finch]

Will do!

[foggy shadow]

And i suppose you could turn down resolution scale to less than 100% if fps is still a "bottleneck", but idk what effect that has on fps or visual fidelity

[balmy finch]

I noticed that changing the graphics settings did not seem to have any effect between low to high. I suspect this poor old quad core is just getting too old to run well

I'll give those tweaks a whirl though!

[red ingot]

@balmy finch try putting fps limiter to 60fps if u havent already, and try DX12 if u havent already to see if it helps (works better for some not for others, worth a shot)

Fps limiter helps a lot with cpu usage though

[latent light]

Invidia = envy in latin
green eye = envy symbol
nvidia = envious company confirmed?

[red ingot]

[latent light]

AMD
Advanced Micro Devices
Micro Devices
Micro
Microsoft?
AMD owned by Microsoft confirmed

[red ingot]

[latent light]

@sonic osprey ASUS is making a 32:9 super ultrawide monitor with 144hz

[mortal nacelle]

[latent light]

[mortal nacelle]

I love my 144 4k mointor ❤

[latent light]

that 32:9 144hz monitor has FreeSync

@mortal nacelle you got the PG27UQ?

[mortal nacelle]

yes sir

[latent light]

kind of pointless because no card can reach 4K 144hz on triple A games currently

[mortal nacelle]

nah but my 2080ti is getting closed

[latent light]

do you plan on keeping it for a long time?

[mortal nacelle]

sits around 85 to 135 fps max settings 4k

no ray

[latent light]

2080 Ti averages around 85 fps on 4K ultra settings in the multiplayer

in single player it's like 100

[mortal nacelle]

nope

or i dont do averages

[latent light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IDAGW_m0U

[mortal nacelle]

it just look what it do

and there it swing from 85 to 135fps